Spite is ruining media

[@NkGaming-1101]

Here’s the formula: •Creator creates a bad product •Audience doesn’t like it •Creator tells them if they don’t like it then don’t buy it •Audience doesn’t buy the product •Creator gets upset and blames the audience for not buying their product

[@dayjay_alldj7940]

LMAO

[@PeterDivine]

•Blackrock gives creator's company a top-rate ESG score and a loan to repeat the process all over again

[@LordVader1094]

@@PeterDivine The hidden 6th step.

[@austinreed7343]

@@PeterDivine This gives the right wing the illusion of being “underdogs” because no obvious BlackRock equivalent exists for them. Thus right wing spite gets more support.

[@aetherland1883]

Makes sense why Soyny has given up with the Ps5

[@nekoking8330]

“don’t like it, don’t buy it.” Is one of many things you should never say when you’re trying to sell something to people!

[@noirhelios]

It’s ironic how often the same people who say these things usually end up lamenting the fact that no one watches their shit lol

[@darwinxavier3516]

It's because they really resent the fact that the customer has any say in how successful something is. They're like trashy post modern "artists" who get high off their own farts and believe society should just subsidize their low effort low quality low value vanity projects.

[@Doc-Glock]

"Don't like it, don't buy/watch it." "Alright. Bet." "wtf why are our numbers so low??? :("

[@conorcrockett9563]

Well said

[@ghosthunter448]

Thank you, I will remember that.

[@ghazghkullthraka6306]

"Nice argument, viewer, unfortunately I already made a multimillion, non-profitable project depicting you as the soyjack and me as the Chad"

[@reptile1687]

Yeah, its kinda pathetic when people have to make their opponent look weaker just to boost yourself up, looking at you redeemed zoomer

[@arnowisp6244]

​@@reptile1687 Redeemed Zoomer?

[@level1865]

Teen titans go lmao

[@lePirateMan]

​@@arnowisp6244 It's a KZbin channel that (badly) argues for the christian god

[@Selevers-eclipse]

why does every adult animated show look the exact same

[@SamtheBravesFan]

Most likely because of CalArts and the like teaching methods to make basic designs quickly.

[@LauraThePolishBean]

The Family Guy artstyle ig

[@taysampharol]

There's a whole bag of it and it annoys me. CalArts style is not a solid argument I think. So where did this originate?

[@BjornV1994]

The ones that look the same, comes from a general laziness in the art style department, though I would argue that there is still plenty of adult animated content with unique and beautiful art styles. Blood of Zeus has a decent anime-esque art style, Metalocalypse was the good kind of ugly if you ask me and if you really want to see what is possible with adult animation: Love, Death & Robots is simply fantastic.

[@Cornin33]

I’m guessing because it’s incredibly easy and cheep for the higher-ups to just churn out episode and episode

[@plumaDshinigami]

Spite, nihilism, and narcissism, a deadly combination.

[@crisananca313]

but there was one more ingredient added Chemical Black Rock!

[@eksortso]

Funny thing is, the society at large has values that cut across tribal bounds. But narcissism means you don't see others with complementary values, and you get upset because they don't see yours. There's no nihilism. There's only demonizing, and we refuse to be persuaded otherwise. We are both angels and demons. Same as you.

[@zeogold]

A combination that you find in modern activists.

[@josephkeen7224]

@@zeogoldof both sides might I add (since I’m sure someone’s going to argue only one side has this problem).

[@UltraKardas]

@@eksortsoI’m not sure you understand what nihilism is. Cause unfortunately, there is nihilism. And I’ve had the arguments to prove it. Nihilism is the belief that nothing truly matters. That value is up to personal interpretation at best. Nihilism becomes more common the more society crumbles. Example: Your “Truth” instead of the truth.

[@grfrjiglstan]

"I've got an idea for a new show. Basically, my self-insert character is going to rant about things I care about, take down a bunch of strawmen, and overall be an unlikeable asshole." "Sounds solid. Here's a bunch of money, go make 15 episodes. Say, would you like to play your own self-insert as well?" "Boy, would I!"

[@WilliamRamseyChannel]

Instead they should write shows that offend absolutely no one, cater to a mindless audience so that audience can feel better about their current state of life and convincing themselves they made the right choice of getting married at 20, working a job they hate and living for the weekend. Clearly it’s television fault 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@ProcyonNite]

​@myemodiaries901 I have no clue how you made that conclusion to be honest. We just want well written shows, that's it.

[@Hugsloth]

the bit at 6:26 makes this even creepier... not only was it his self insert but he made a girl he was flirting with play his wife on the show, hoping it would make them marry him irl

[@nathansquared2685]

​@@WilliamRamseyChannel hey...you good man?

[@arkblazer1]

@@WilliamRamseyChannel better yet, how about a show that offends everyone? not just those that are not in your bubble.

[@dramonmaster222]

When you make something out of Spite, you are pleasing NO ONE.

[@rileywilson7434]

TRUE!!!

[@lllIlIIllIIlllI]

No one but the radicals, wether they’re right wing or left.

[@Slitheringpeanut]

Except themselves, which has always been the point. Hollywood has always hated us.

[@IAmTheEagleHTM]

The Boys comics is well known for that

[@Garbearscare]

Not only trying to annoy the shit out of people who get easily offended, But to repeat history all over again trying to make this a big problem nowadays.

[@JakeTheArmyGuy]

Hank Hill is great because he's the embodiment of that "I don't get it, but you do you" mentality that the world desperately needs more of.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

And when Hank isn't, Bobby is.

[@BloodRedFox2008]

I live in an area that’s pretty mixed politically and thankfully I do know some folk like Hank. Like I’m a trans woman and I’ve come out to the people at my work because I want them to understand I’m certainly going to look different once I start HRT, and as a pleasant surprise my boss, who is a conservative who voted for Trump, basically had that very reaction. “Hey if it makes you happy then that’s cool. Just let me know when you want me to call you by a different name.” Random aside: dude grills some awesome BBQ I think would make Hank proud.

[@blade8741]

​@@BloodRedFox2008 yee, 99% of people nowdays dont have a problem with this. Its the internet that has a very vocal minority that warps people's worldview in thinking that way. They create a enemy that is not there, and end up pissing people off.

[@mushyroom9569]

No, the world does not need more passive people, that’s how we got so many passive-aggressives being spiteful. What we need is aggressive people who won’t put up with the passive-aggressives’ shit.

[@flameron1]

@@mushyroom9569I don’t think you know what passive aggressive means. There’s no aggression here. Letting someone do what they want in their life that only influences them when there an adult isn’t passive aggressive lol.

[@StormDatIsApproaching]

That's why Smiling Friends is king. It's not made by miserable people who hate themselves

[@Frustratedartist2]

Yes, Smiling Friends is all about self love and happy people, yes indeed.

[@PALACIO254]

It's atleast funny and well animated

[@mrrunodan8119]

​@@Frustratedartist2ok then how am i gonna make my show who is a little influenced by Billy and Mandy without resulting spiteful?

[@woundedvixzen]

​@@mrrunodan8119 theres a difference between spite and dark humor

[@WilliamRamseyChannel]

@@woundedvixzennah, you are literally just a whiny ass generation. Anything that slightly challenges your way of thinking now requires essay “think piece” videos. The logic is essentially I don’t like “x” so it must mean “y” Cope

[@chrimsonphantom]

"It's not for you." "If you don't like it, don't watch it." "If you don't like it then your an ist." "It failed because of these people. So on and so forth. How many times have we heard this words in the last 10 years. Yet no matter how many times they say it, they'll ignore the fact that their audiences went to support movies like sonic. Because it aimed to please everyone.

[@CamTheWarlock]

I can’t think of any of them that have actually been successful. I mean sure they get renewed, but are they actually successful? As in make money and satisfy people??

[@ripedroxx]

And don't forget years after that we get the kotaku article saying "our generation wasn't ready for x thing"

[@zanir2387]

Not totally agree: dana terrace didn't had any ill intention to her audience and even so, enough family parents complained enough to force disney to short the owl house....

[@taffysaur]

When fans complained about Sonic’s original look, it would have been the easiest thing in the world for the creators to simply call them racists and plow ahead with what they were already doing. Instead, they listened to the fans and spent more money going back and redoing work they’d already finished… and it payed off for them big time! I felt I OWED it to them to see the movie in the theatre after that, even though I had been skeptical (and the movie turned out to be awesome). Not only did the establishment fail to learn a lesson from this, they criticised the movie for being problematic because James Marsden is a sherif and is portrayed as a good man instead of a violent bigot… 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@anonmon96]

correction: It was able to please everyone.

[@kirbbu5868]

Rule 1 of content creation: NEVER insult the audience.

[@somechupacabrawithinternet8866]

(:

[@darkstalkerknight63]

why when it literally worked. Velma show is a massive success as it had 6 times more views then the average show on Max. same racist hated static shock when it came out.

[@SHMidlerPlays]

@@darkstalkerknight63static Shock is an actual good show though, so that is a bad comparison.

[@CollegeDroputPowerpoints]

Actually you can insult them, the problem is when you want to replace them with an audience that doesn't exist.

[@darkstalkerknight63]

@@SHMidlerPlays static shock was not seen as a good show back then. it was seen as the same talking points racist and haters say today.

[@Jonas-lj8ul]

"It's almost like they're excited to annoy people!" Yes. That's what bullies do. And if the person BEING bullied pushes back, THEY are invariably criticized MORE HARSHLY than the a$$hats that started it. Funny that. You'd almost think we were still in grade school.

[@mobileterrarian3653]

Exactly! I just don't get why creators have a lot of this grade-schooler mentality...

[@defaultdan7923]

this phenomenon is extremely funny to me, and i’m glad someone is mentioning it. just for an example of pushback receiving more pushback, i recently saw a video that asmon put out, where he talks about whatever it is that riled people up for like 2 minutes, and the rest of the time was spent just complaining about the reactions twitter had. it does kinda feel like that’s most of his vids tbh

[@KraylebStudios]

It's crazy how some people have left school and still acting like children

[@Shizilla]

Its the internet.... Sadly that's basically what it is

[@amicableenmity9820]

Narcissism is on the rise in America. Millennials haven't learned from the mistakes of the Boomers and sometimes go so far in the opposite direction when parenting, and become afraid to discipline (not punish, there is a difference) their kids. Add in social media which the companies knowingly make addictive and you get more people with NPD than ever.

[@AL-ws5yi]

Another KZbinr coined the term fantagonism (fan +antagonism). And it fits this attitude of Hollywood lately. There’s no need for them to attack the fans but they do so they deserve what they get.

[@hope-cat4894]

That's a golden term that should be added to the fanlore wiki. 👍 If people being fans of hating something is a hatedom, then the writers enjoying being hated is fantagonism.

[@briancurtis6022]

@@hope-cat4894 I wonder if there's an ongoing competition to be the greatest victim... and what the prize is for winning. LOL

[@racingraptor4758]

​@@briancurtis6022prize is a pile of turds and 1 cent which is what they will have (and some already have) after destroying their brand

[@ottz2506]

I think it was critical drinker who talked about hate baiting but he was quoting someone else I think. Sad when this happens because it’s like the companies that engage in it are fine with allowing their actors to be exposed to online and offline abuse, and sometimes intentionally do it so that they can then turn around and say “oh no, look how mean people are being just because they exist as a POC”

[@WokioWolfy]

It definitely feels like they make these shows to anger people rather than entertain people. Or believe hatred is a form of comedy.

[@mk_wizard]

So I'm not the only one who noticed the amount of hate there is in writing these days. The thing about King of the Hill (which is still one of the best sitcoms written of all time) is that it is written from a conservative POV yet Hank is willing to meet in the middle, see the other side of things and come a diplomatic conclusion. Plus, he had common sense, was a good smart who and tried to avoid trouble if not solve it.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

Not to mention he wouldn't just heap nothing but love and support for conservativism. He is a conservative man, but if he sees something he disagrees with, even if it's from people on the same political side as him, he'll call them out for it.

[@Arella17]

@@SaiyanGamer95 He'll also go out of his way to help out someone who needs it regardless of if he dislikes or even disagrees with them. People liked King of the Hill because Hank Hill wasn't an asshole.

[@MrPonytron]

You know, I never watched King of the Hill, but, all this praise surrounding it lately makes me wanna start watching it

[@mk_wizard]

@@MrPonytron it is really great

[@Dragblacker]

@@Arella17 That's probably the motivation for how anyone ultimately chooses where they are politically and culturally. Whoever is not a jerk to them, is who they'll align with.

[@yeeyeeyeeye]

Spite is just everywhere nowadays, not just in Hollywood. Online spaces are more mean-spirited and spiteful, concert goers are getting more rowdy and disrespectful, people don't practice manners anymore and push you out of the way, etc. No one makes anything with actual _passion_ and _sincerity_ . The ones that are tend to get cancelled after their first season.

[@parkergreen2704]

Someone wants us to be divided.

[@fernandodecarlosmalcher7977]

so true like it feels that every time something new gets announced people are more eager to fail, find a reason to hate it, or thousands other shits like that, recently is not as fun as it used to be being a geek because there's so much negativity of all types, not criticism just straight up hate and negativity against some invisible enemy people made out in their heads

[@jaredmedeiros2005]

No one wants to see good spirited people anymore, they want to see conflict because that gets the most attention.

[@larojas0914]

@@jaredmedeiros2005This is honestly so true with KZbin nowadays, although not necessarily with the first part.

[@predalien1413]

@@parkergreen2704It is the man in the mirror.

[@realdragon]

MR Birchum looks like those "comedy adult" animation where the punchline is unnecessary violence

[@robertbeisert3315]

I miss comedy violence. It beats the literal wave of vomit and feces that they use now.

[@HunterStiles651]

I could tell that Mr Birchum was going to be a dumpster fire from the first trailer. Regardless of what you think of the execution, you could argue that Lady Ballers needed to be made. It makes fun of something that everyone sane finds blatantly ridiculous but that anyone in Hollywood other than Matt Stone and Trey Parker would get blacklisted for touching. Mr Birchum doesn't have that going for it. It's completely interchangeable with every other adult cartoon made in the last decade and for some reason it's *proud* of that.

[@crimsonstar6247]

@@HunterStiles651 Ain't Lady Ballers that movie that was supposed to be a documentary, but the creators found out sports organizations actually require trans players to be on HRT for two years to play?

[@HunterStiles651]

@crimsonstar6247 No it's a black comedy meant to portray men in woman's sports for the farce that it is. At no point did it make the claim that any of its events ever happened. And that thing you were talking about doesn't cause you to change your sex. That's a bunch of psuedo-scientific gobbledeegook. You've been sold a pack of lies by a bunch of corrupt billionaires looking to perpetuate a billion-dollar industry that victimizes the very people it claims to help.

[@HunterStiles651]

@@crimsonstar6247 It's not a documentary. It's a black comedy meant to portray its subject matter for the farce that it is. And that thing you're talking about doesn't cause you to change your sex. That's a bunch of psuedo-scientific gobbledeegook. You've been sold a pack of lies meant to perpetuate a billion dollar industry that victimizes the very people it claims to help.

[@thatHARVguy]

When you accidentally make the Strawman villain the best character in your morally bankrupt project, it doesn't matter if you're Far Left or Far Right.

[@mozax8118]

Jon Walker enters the chat.

[@lolbitandftfoxysayhello6262]

@@mozax8118 Jon Walker isn’t a villain, the villain is flag smasher

[@chocov1233]

Horseshoe theory.

[@chocov1233]

​@@lolbitandftfoxysayhello6262He's treated as an antagonist in the show who learns a "lesson" and becomes a "better" person by the end. I was most interested in his story throughout the show and I actually really liked Falcon and Bucky Barnes before the show.

[@lolbitandftfoxysayhello6262]

@@chocov1233 true

[@Something_Maybe]

Politics has basically just turned into an excuse to bully people you don’t like

[@MasterBotttle]

You hit the jackpot.

[@Lauxx-dt4xy]

​@@MasterBotttleHakari never acquired reverse curse technique 🗣🔥

[@Linklex7]

Spite is absolutely hurting media, from all side. I’m glad you pointed out Mr Birchum. Showing that it’s not just the Left doing this. But conservatives doing this spite content too. I’m sick of all of it

[@cosmiquealiene6168]

I was thinking the same!

[@josephkeen7224]

Yeah, it made this video refreshing to watch for me.

[@lambasted6886]

Totally this. Speaking from my own experience, it was vindicating seeing pushback on all of the creative decisions for almost a decade being about subversion and sticking it to established paradyme. But HOLY HELL is the pendulum swinging back hard, and I feel like I'm losing my mind on all of these grifting KZbin channels. When monetization is involved, people fall to the dark side of negativity and the rational people in the middle suffer for it.

[@SamtheBravesFan]

Even back of the days of "An American Carol" it didn't work either because the writing wasn't smart enough. They wanted to have a message and they got it in there, but they failed to supplement it with good enough humor to keep it going. And that was 16 years ago.

[@MangasColoradas941]

Ideology always makes people spiteful.

[@DarkLiger]

I feel Echo Chamber is also part of the problem. People working on the show thinks this is hilarious and the topics they bring up are important so obviously most of the public will think so too, well except for "those people" King of the Hill worked because Hank was more than just his political views. He was a fully fleshed out character.

[@fudgen.a1249]

One who was enjoyable even to those who opposed him, and not just politically or socially. He was written not only by people who cared, but went the mile understand why he is the way he is, how he’d react to the world around him in a good and bad way, and at the end of the day he’s a well meaning person who’s can adapt. It’s a good show with a well written cast and message.

[@MaxwellAlvarado]

A big part of that I learned by watching the Vik case pretty closely in the anime industry. Regardless of what side you were on, it revealed that the industry is a super small world, everyone knows each other, and kissing ass to the people who are already in it is an absolute mandatory.

[@HANKTHEDANKEST]

King of the Hill is a masterclass in storytelling: Hank has "his ways" and can be stubborn, but at the end of the day he learns and grows and often just comes back to "well, that's asinine" for a lot of stuff that is, simply put, asinine. King of the Hill was a show about common sense and decency, really.

[@seinarukishi9228]

King of the hill was a liberal show. Anyone who thinks it is conservative missed the point.

[@shorewall]

@@seinarukishi9228 Like Fiddler on the Roof, which is liked by conservatives even though it is supposed to be progressive? How a property is received is more important than how it was intended. Death of the Author. And while KotH and Golden Age Simpsons may have had liberal messages for their time, that's a far cry from Progessivism, which is cancer. Those old shows had nuance, as this video mentions, and wanted to effect positive change in a grassroots way. As opposed to Progressivism which just wants to rage bait.

[@ModeDriver]

Its rare to see criticism for both sides of this type of show. I thank you for that, especially since by their very nature, these types of shows bank on people choosing sides.

[@williamdrum9899]

I think it's just much more common to see left wing shows do this because that's most of Hollywood

[@TommoBoyyo]

@@williamdrum9899 Counterpoint - It's more common to see left wing shows do this with million dollar marketing budgets, because it is most of Hollywood. Right Wing media has the same problem when it comes to content creation, it just doesn't have Hollywood Glitz, Glamor and Kaching behind it's marketing. The left controls the purse strings in the realm of mass media, sure. But the right has the same fundamental problems. It's not like things would get better if the hands holding the 'Legacy Studios' money changed. The only difference would be the color of tie.

[@brandonnotsowise2640]

Its entire identity forces the viewer to choose their side. It’s disgusting ‘media’.

[@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962]

The other problem is that they are more concerned with messaging rather than good storytelling, and they underestimate the intelligence of their audience (or they are disdainful toward their make-believe audience in their heads). This is a problem on the Left and the Right.

[@darwinxavier3516]

Colonel Cameron Mitchell from the joke episode of SG1 lampooning bad writing: Never underestimate your audience. They're generally sensitive, intelligent people who respond positively to quality entertainment.

[@Drixenol86]

Both are 2 heads of the same monster. When they’re not fighting each other, they attack everybody else.

[@bloody4558]

More on the left than the right as of now. Since the left has gotten their grubby hands in more shows and other kinds of entertainment.

[@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962]

@@bloody4558 The Right is committing it in worse avenues of entertainment, and that is as pseudo-journalism and the fictionalization of Reality. Hence why they are running a reality tv star as president, a man whose whole platform and presidency is built upon "alternative facts" and hyperbolic messaging. Make no mistake: Trump is the embodiment of bad storytelling and pandering messages.

[@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962]

@@bloody4558 the Right is literally running a "reality" tv show host as their candidate. There is no worse storytelling than the hyperbolic nonsense and fraudulent claims being spouted on the Right by their candidate. And make no mistake, he is VERY disdainful toward his followers on the Right.

[@ripedroxx]

The one thing i hate the most about this wave of media is that the main self insert always exudes a huge amount of "im so much better than everyone" making them unbelievable unlikeable

[@johnnywick2460]

off topic but I find it funny that your profile is dio making this comment

[@Grim_Bud]

Because most actually believe they are better than everybody.

[@Leeloo-Foxx]

you know you're morally bankrupt when DIO is against it

[@paigemosher8697]

​@@Grim_Bud Fucking conservatives, man.

[@Badbirdie]

Art made from hatred and spite is never beautiful. It can only be disturbing, uncomfortable, or heavily flawed. Usually all three of those things. Edit: I should elaborate before it spins out of control. What I mean by that is most if not all of these changes were made to spite people of differing political or social views, thereby making art out of hate. I am not saying you shouldn't make art in protest of something but when you are protesting out of hate only, then the cause suffers for it.

[@corbanbausch9049]

Bingo. I share this sentiment.

[@BEE-oz7yd]

Funny musical episode featuring transperson: exists You: This was forged from HATRED! From SPITE!!!!

[@corbanbausch9049]

@@BEE-oz7yd um…where did you get this from?

[@BEE-oz7yd]

@@corbanbausch9049 Doctor Who. From the episode called "the devil's chord"

[@corbanbausch9049]

@@BEE-oz7yd and how does that connect to OP’s comment? Where did he mention Doctor Who or allude to it?

[@paws-h8p]

George Carlin once said '' race, religion, social status, income, sexuality, anything that keeps us fighting amongst each other so that they can keep going to the bank'' if the population is at war with itself then the wealthy can keep profiting.

[@Shoxic666]

That's why they want everything diverse, make it so that we can't escape each other.

[@RedSunUnderParadise]

War profiteering is based and lucrative.

[@IaMaPh1991]

We need him now more than ever

[@bluebeka2458]

Ah, wise words from a wise man.

[@grimwaltzman]

Same spite, different angle

[@Spartan_5271]

I feel like a lot of new writers have the mentality of "any publicity is good publicity" these days and actively try to piss people off at a product before it comes out to defend any criticism as hate

[@darwinxavier3516]

It's also been happening a lot with environmental slacktavists who trap random people in traffic just so they can be seen on the news. Not realizing that anyone with half a braincell is gonna see how pointless and disgustingly uncaring this kind of stunt is. And thus is more likely to get people to side against the slacktivists and whatever cause they pretend to care about.

[@BjornV1994]

I think it is also in part: I want to make a point but I have no idea how to do it a constructive and nuanced way and have no interest in trying to do so. They don't care for the difference between teaching and soapboxing.

[@DasKame]

They are not wrong. "Velma" was way more in the buzz than "Tuca & Bertie" or "Hoops"

[@Paugose]

Nothing new. Let's look at Marvel in 2004, they took Joss Whedon as X-Men writer because "After the work of Grant Morrison, we needed someone who could get the fans even angrier than they were before". In late 2006, a fan asked Joe Quesada (editor in chief) if they'll make Marvel recover from House of M and Civil War, Quesada answered that superheroes were but "toys to be smashed and destroyed".

[@ketaminepoptarts]

but heres the thing, if everyone hates a show then no one will watch it and it'll just be forgotten after a while. sure people are talking about it, but that doesnt mean theyre going to watch it or even care that it existed after a month

[@turgor127]

"[those people]... more concerned with their anti- audience than their actual audience" This is such a good point.

[@slicerneons3300]

Spite might qualify as the 8th deadly sins. Bitterness, areogance, and denial are a terrible mix of feelings to have. Even worse to use those as the emotions that drive a creative work.

[@BelBelle468]

Spite is a mix of wrath, sloth, and pride. So I feel like it shouldn’t be counted if it’s a mix (similar to how they just mixed vainglory and pride, & sloth and melancholy together). But at the same time, lust, greed, and gluttony are basically he same thing with only arbitrary differences. So it truly should be replacing gluttony that’s for sure.

[@albatross4920]

Spite probably evolves from envy. You're furious that you don't have something and someone else does, you get envious, then you wanna spite them.

[@falxblade1352]

Where does sloth fit in?​@@BelBelle468

[@tenaciousrodent6251]

@@BelBelle468 Fans of Berserk know that spite contains a lot of lust too. Hell! It's all seven sins combined!

[@cosmicspacething3474]

I think that falls under wrath. Ignorance should be the 8th deadly sin

[@jim-bob3093]

Static Shock in the middle of flexing its superiority, even took time to do a solid and well informed episode about learning disabilities and how they effect peoples confident. Which was well written and narratively well paced

[@Slitheringpeanut]

But it was just as pointless as other 'messaging' shows. Most of the kids who watched Static Shock ALREADY KNOW all this. And those that might need to know, aren't watching 'loser cartoons'.

[@JonPederson-sb4db]

​@@Slitheringpeanutalr

[@SophiaSprinkles]

@@Slitheringpeanut It's unfortunate that in today's society, disabilities are often viewed as a sign of weakness, which is not entirely accurate. If you have misconceptions about this or have had negative experiences related to the show "Static Shock," it's essential to reconsider your viewpoint. Such comments reflect a lack of understanding and empathy.

[@dragonhitman1071]

Static helped me accept my own disability.

[@jim-bob3093]

@Slitheringpeanut really? i cant think of a single kids show that i grew up with, that tackled Dyslexia effectively and the effect it has on your self-confidence and sensitivity. Sometimes they might play with physically disabled character, but invisible ones tend to stay that way

[@annothernoob]

The Right Wing version of "First openly gay character" or "Sorry [majority group], [series] wasnt made for you/ has a [minority] lead now, sorry not sorry" is "This show isnt afraid to be offensive" which is usually paired with "no company wanted to pick us up because we were too raunchy"

[@mamodokod]

The fact they said "sorry straight white men, Doctor Who was never made for you" like they even created Doctor who in the first place is absolutely scummy.

[@BrakSplash]

I don't let that bother me. My family and I still love Gatwa's the Doctor. At first I was skeptical. But he's very entertaining.

[@floofyboi7546]

@@BrakSplash sure but them putting down David Tennats doc for being male presenting was at best tone deaf and at worst misandrist and ignoring the lore

[@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo]

It was designed for scifi fans, not hetero white cis men (and I am not even a dr who fan)

[@RokuroCarisu]

Grass has well and thoroughly been thouched. You're welcome.

[@BrakSplash]

@floofyboi7546 I understand Doctor Who was getting retconned for almost every regeneration. Some like it, others don't. I just happen to like this version, and Gatwa's acting sold it for me. He's up there next to Tenant as my personal favorite Doctors at the moment.

[@KiallVunMyeret]

I feel like this problem goes way beyond media too. We live in a world where people think making people they don't like unhappy is more important then making themself happy

[@Cubeytheawesome]

So, Twitter?

[@daruddock]

Amen. What a bitter society we have made. 'Owning' the other side is the end goal, not actually making a difference. People will leap on a spelling error as proof of an ideological fault and engorge themselves on the public humiliation rather than trying to talk the other person to their side and actually benefit the cause they're pretending to champion.

[@tek2095]

@@Cubeytheawesome There's a reason I don't have an account on that hellhole.

[@dafilmqueen556]

@@tek2095, me either. I stay away from it all except google, fanfiction, and KZbin. They’re my goats.

[@thecaptain6520]

"It's not enough for you to succeed. Others *must* fail"

[@harryweaver4914]

Something I really appreciate in Godzilla: Minus One is that the moral of the film, as outright said in the final meeting before the battle, is that life should be valued, and that they should not fight a war to the death, but rather one to live for a better future. The projects you highlight in this video do the opposite, fighting their own audiences even if it means bad ratings and likely cancellation. Creativity can only work with passion, while hatred will only ever tear down and destroy

[@welchrebooted4739]

I just miss when entertainment was meant to be a escape from reality, not a further contribution to the problem of reality.

[@DasKame]

The same as Video Games: "Video Games are Art!" "So art is political and we have to handle it like it?" "SHUT UP AND LET ME PLAY A HARRY POTTER GAME, I DON'T CARE WHO ROWLING IS" You have to handle the Consequences.

[@welchrebooted4739]

@@DasKame both the stellar blade and assassins creeds shadows games are good examples of Fandoms inserting their beliefs on a game, and both games succeeded so jokes on them.

[@Naruto_fishcake]

​@@welchrebooted4739it's the way they try to manipulate you into feeling guilty by not wanting woke crap in media by saying "that certain media is political" yeah it is...but it's not woke Identity social politics it's just old basic politics (military, imperialism, etc.)

[@almalone3282]

​@welchrebooted4739 why are you calling shadows a success when it's not even out yet?

[@violetthebat8810]

Same here! ~ 😢

[@Nonjola]

This sentiment particularly applies to the American film industry, where there appears to be a diminishing regard for the art of filmmaking, especially among executives and higher-ups. Conversely, in countries like France, Ireland, and Japan, even animation is esteemed as an art form.

[@fernthaisetthawatkul5569]

this country as a whole seems to have a seething disdain for art, that's why you actually hear people arguing that ballet should be called a "sport" in order for it to get respect

[@thejuiceking2219]

@@fernthaisetthawatkul5569 that's what happens when you treat art as just another commodity, that exists solely to be bought and sold

[@benschultz1784]

There's no more "art for art's sake." All "art" nowadays is either made to send a message or make a profit.

[@thejuiceking2219]

@@benschultz1784 i mean, i'd rather have art made to send a message than art just made to make a profit, i feel like the message art would be more inclined to at least have some passion behind it

[@michaelmann7816]

​@@benschultz1784 I'd say there's nothing _inherently_ wrong with art to send a message, (you could argue that all art sends a message, it's just that frequently the message is "this thing looks pretty/awesome/like something else") and problems arise when "art" in that statement is whispered and "to send a message" is screamed into a megaphone. You know, letting the message overpower everything else.

[@generalveers9544]

The fact that there is almost a 1-to-1 correlation between a show/movie/comic/game’s marketing run proudly talking about who it’ll upset instead of talking about the actual product , and said product being shit is the entire conversation right there. The main goal they have in mind when writing it is to really stick it to a particular group, instead of keeping making something good at the forefront and thinking about that stuff second

[@v.k.rt.m.6030]

Yes. That right there. The product shouldn't be a upsetter using venom-laced marketing designed to get people to dislike-watch the content.

[@tigger760]

This is why indie cartoons and comics are getting so much positive attention because they're interested in creating good stories and not being spiteful 😊

[@kozmickitsuneame]

Im working on one myself 😊

[@TheIrreverentUncleAl]

@@kozmickitsuneame What's it about?

[@kozmickitsuneame]

@@TheIrreverentUncleAl think of static shock and berserk fused together lol thats the only hint i can give but i been working on it for almost 2 years

[@garibaldibritann1240]

Yeah most of them but there's indie animated series projects that's jist baltantly made out of spite like Random Saga

[@kozmickitsuneame]

@@garibaldibritann1240 I actually feel sorry for the people to run around making stuff out of spike because imagine you see someone that has the opportunity to either make a masterpiece or create something that they're genuinely passionate about or something that people might really surprisingly like. And instead they pretty much just crap on everybody and then expect to be praised for it.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

I find it fascinating Velma and Mr. Birchum fail in the exact same way. Even the strawmen characters ended up being the most sympathetic characters in the show. Although Velma is significantly more competent on a technical level.

[@notthefbi7015]

Horseshoe theory man, the further along the political spectrum you go the more you act like the opposite side.

[@Xx_D4RK_K1N_xX]

@@notthefbi7015because they come more and more gradually obsessed with the other side, that’s sorta why “antis” of things often fall into being fans/supporters of it. They dug themselves so into the other side for reasons to “ahah gotcha” that they don’t recognize that their slowly enjoying it more and more

[@L.D201]

Velma had more money wasted into it

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

Velma had more money, so it looks better. But Mr. Birchum is at least an original IP so it's not ruining anything you grew up with.

[@jeanne.mp4]

@@MidlifeCrisisJoe you must be pretty sensitive if you think velma is "ruining" anything lol, you can just ignore its existence and go on with your day

[@Luiz997488]

Generic left wing adult cartoon: "Haha! I have set your foot on fire!" Dailywire: "Don't worry citizen, I'll set your other foot on fire to even things out, problem solved!"

[@chasetanner4822]

This problem isn't limited to adult cartoons. Teen titans go (a kids cartoon) made SEVERAL episodes just to mess with their haters. They put so much effort in some of those episodes that it shows just how bitter they are about people hating their titans titans reboot.

[@burntpoptart853]

Teen Titans Go was a slap in the face for many fans of the original series. They made an episode called “The Fourth Wall” where they go after OG fans for wanting the show to have more action, drama, and story, and not having “low brow toilet humor”. They literally have all the characters fart in your face at the end as a middle finger to those who want the old series back. Probably the worst one that they made to mock fans was “The Return of Slade” episode where they essentially just told the fans that they’re adults and need to grow up.

[@chasetanner4822]

@@burntpoptart853 What's funny is the excuse to grow up doesn't even work because the og teen titans is ALSO a kid show. There is no excuse for the reboot writers to make a show that childish, when the original was ALREADY a kids cartoon. The reboot writers didn't make a child show, they made a BABY show. Besides how PETTY do you have to be to put in SO MUCH effort in creating these episodes for the SOLE purpose of making fun of their haters. The responsible thing to do is to IGNORE your haters. By making those "making fun of haters" episodes, you are proving just how childish you really are. Then again, it just proves the reboot writers are perfect to write the reboot because they act as childish as the reboot itself.

[@Cubeytheawesome]

“People have been calling us garbage since the reboot!”

[@Nyghtking]

I think the problem in that situation comes down to this: People seem to think kids cartoons should be the equivalent to jingling a set of keys. No depth just something to distract and not think about. Kids cartoons can be great when they actually have depth or can be viewed by more then just kids, like OG spongebob at least had something for the adults that are probably watching with their children, and everyone remembers ATLA. These days it feels like life lessons and depth have been removed in favor of mindless distraction.

[@bluebeka2458]

And yet, the original show was better. In a way i'm happy they didn't continued Teen titans the way it was. Because that would have ruined the original show with those stupid new ideas.

[@gameragodzilla]

Yeah, you definitely see the spite a lot. In gaming, Battlefield V flopped hard after the Chief Creative Officer told people “don’t like it, don’t buy it” when people complained that a British woman with a bionic arm in the reveal trailer wasn’t appropriate for a supposedly authentic WW2 game.

[@jeremyallen5974]

CoD Vanguard: *glances away nervously*

[@yassinefarah2423]

Same with happened with Volition calling gamers "terrorists" when their anti-game turned M.A.D wasn't well received.

[@darkstalkerknight63]

It sold 7.3 million units by the end of 2018. that is not a flop at all. battlefield 4 sold over 7 million. Battlefield 3 sold 15 million copies. Battlefield 2042 sold 4.23 million in its first week. Battlefield 1943 sold 1.5 million, Battlefield Vietnam sold 1.36 million copies, Battlefield 2 sold 2.25 million copies, Battlefield 2: Modern Combat sold 1.64 million copies, and Battlefield: Bad Company sold 2.3 million copies. they are flops. Battlefield 5 is the 4th highest selling battlefield game. Battlefield V was the largest Battlefield game at the time.

[@elite_enfield34]

@@darkstalkerknight63 What about Battlefield 1?

[@darkstalkerknight63]

@@elite_enfield34 are you talking about the first battlefield or battlefield 1. the first one only sold 3 million. battlefield 1 sold 15 million. the numbers shows that even battlefield games stands on their own.

[@samplingtoast2023]

A prime example is The Witcher. I havent seen or heard of anyone who isn't on Henry Cavills side, for being so passionate about his role, and wanting the series to follow the books more. And yet they got rid of him. And now the show has been completely cancelled.

[@zombiehunter501]

Modern entertainment is being run like a "Mean Girls" click that seems to be in every school year. They may have left the school yard, but the school yard mindset stayed with them to this day.

[@lafenetre9733]

It’s kinda like how a lot of anime is highschool romance that’s meant to be escapism for people who didn’t get that growing up. Two sides of the same coin lol

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

Millennial writing. Look it up. There’s a cool video on it that describes this phenomenon perfectly.

[@OmniNeon900]

@@lafenetre9733There were actually more breakups in my highschool than successful romances too.

[@internetzenmaster8952]

Song "Highschool never ends" comes to mind.

[@amberbaum4079]

@@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125 I think I know which video you mean. They used a lot of Borderlands 3 footage in their video. I agree, but with caveats. These "Millennials" get hired by someone, despite other Millennials are being able to write a good story(heck.... I grew up with fanfiction, written by Millenials, that avoided all these pitfalls and that were actually really good). These "someone" think these Millennial writers have what the kids and people, who are younger then them, want. Dragon age Inquisition was also a piece ruined by this garbage. I do not care for Veilguard, despite loving the DA universe. I remember an older Kotaku article saying something about how bad the internal management of Bioware was when Dragon age Inquisition was being developed. It shows.

[@EricHeidenAuthor]

"[A]rt, you may feel quite assured, proceeds always from love and rapture, never from hatred and disdain" Arthur Machen, circa 1902

[@matityaloran9157]

I don’t know about that. Cervantes wrote Don Quixote because he disliked chivalric romances.

[@federerlkonig330]

It makes my heart smile, to see Machen being quoted, and for his poetic and optmistic side.

[@EricHeidenAuthor]

@@federerlkonig330 Cool. What was the first Machen tale you ever read? Mine was "The Coming of the Terror."

[@EricHeidenAuthor]

@@matityaloran9157 Fair point, but--allowing for exceptions like the one you mentioned--I think the quote holds true most of the time.

[@matityaloran9157]

@@EricHeidenAuthor Probably

[@BatesKrisbates]

Mr. Birchum looks like what King of the Hill would be like if every single character was Peggy.

[@santiagomenchaca4248]

Even that a insult to Peggy

[@anya-gg7ut]

I agree. Shows can have like political themes and stuff, like having lgbtqia plus characters or having a conservative christian character, but don't make it out of spite. A good example of this is King of the Hill and Arcane.

[@Squeam9750]

Those shows don't have Politics as their identity and I love both shows.

[@seductiveraven4895]

No but they're are alot of media that just happened to have lgbt stuff but still get hated on (like the last of us 1 dlc for example), it's not about spite people just don't like lgbt and women.

[@anya-gg7ut]

@@seductiveraven4895 yea I agree with you

[@YamiHoOu]

​@@seductiveraven4895yeah there's definitely both types. Legitimate criticisms and then people just being brats.

[@KraylebStudios]

Sadly, people think that LGBT people merely existing is political and shoving ideals down people's throats nowadays

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

So, this is what it is that’s behind these garbage forms of entertainment: spite. I never would’ve thought of that. It, definitely, is ruining entertainment. I haven’t looked forward to anything in awhile now.

[@darwinxavier3516]

It's not always spite. Most of the time it's just a talentless "creative" who is oblivious to how garbage their "art" is and how talentless they really are. And political agendas, lots of political agenda.

[@yassinefarah2423]

Sometimes it's worse than spite, it's either arrogance or just hollywoord only recommending bad practices and bad ideas.

[@fudgen.a1249]

@@yassinefarah2423And shutting down those with good ones, or at the very least risky ones who wanna try new things.

[@muyandos]

"Shows like [this] weren't created to entertain people first and foremost, they were created to entertain the people who made them" Wonderfully said!

[@mkocel]

Mindy Khaling needs to be banned from any established IP. Along with a list of others.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

I think you mean Charlie Grandy.

[@Bahr-im7pn]

@@SaiyanGamer95 Trust me, Kaling was a big hand in the creative process as well. She's literally the posterchild of the series.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

@@Bahr-im7pn Mostly because she's a recognizable face and voicing the main character. Charlie Grandy is the showrunner and creator, not Mindy like most people think.

[@Steelcrow81]

@@SaiyanGamer95In that case they both need to be banned.

[@darkstalkerknight63]

why when the Velma show is a massive success as it had 6 times more views then the average show on Max. people actually love watching the show.

[@yassinefarah2423]

Ever since She-Hulk, alot of writers and showrunners right now are more interested in burning bridges with the audiences with providing anti-shows that either bow to the message or their own political beliefs at the expense of the viewers enjoyment and the story. Needless to say it's costing showrunner's their audience, their reputation, money and worst of all their ability to tell stories.

[@pepperonipizza8200]

I'd argue Ghostbusters (2016) started it. Teen Titans GO may have started it, but Ghostbusters was when it got political.

[@SnipingIsFun]

This has been going in western media since Bout 2016

[@louisduarte8763]

Oh, She-Hulk. It had so much potential for greatness. Something went wrong if I thought its best episode was the one guest-starring the hero of another show (Daredevil, who schooled her in the courtroom and in a fight).

[@Can_O_Crayola]

@@pepperonipizza8200 Ghostbusters was definitely the start of "spite media", when lines started getting really drawn in the sand with this "this movie isn't made for you" mentality.

[@pepperonipizza8200]

@@Can_O_Crayola yeah. That’s the thing. I know Teen Titans GO did something much like that in their episodes. I just forgot if that was before or after Ghostbusters.

[@NostalgiaStudiosinc96]

Those who don't learn from "Spider-Man Lotus" are condemned to repeat it!

[@KeeKage37]

Personally I think it’s more than just spite that’s the problem, but also rampant narcissism. Not only are these shows preposterously made to piss off original fans, but they also do it believing there the smartest people in the room and anyone that doesn’t like it is the problem. There too busy stroking there own ego to completion to realize there alienating the very audience they need to succeed and whatever minority’s there trying to cater to aren’t going to win them the day. If they even like it at all.

[@shorewall]

These same people will complain about money problems, as if they aren't their own worst enemies.

[@hamishstewart5324]

It truly is telling that even the people within the minority groups they pander to hate these shows and movies.

[@ToonamiT0M]

As a straight white male I'm actually interested in seeing more diversity in story telling. I want to see new perspectives and ideas in entertainment. But when the story or characters only exist to insult me because the show runner has a chip on their shoulder, I'm instantly out.

[@realJoeMavro]

Diversity of perspectives is the only kind of diversity that matters.

[@Animefan24711]

@@realJoeMavro But that’s kinda the point of bringing in a diversity of demographics. Like gay people have entire subcultures and experiences straight people are unaware of and they bring it to the screen. The campiness of the Davies Who era for instance did use a gay perspective you can tell when you watch early episodes and they have stuff like Britney Spears playing as an Earth ballad by the trans character who’s now just a piece of skin who constantly shouts to be moisturized while the Earth dies. Let’s be honest only a gay person would write something that over the top and funny- over the top camp tends to be embraced more by the lgbt community. Another show was Boondocks which was from primarily a black perspective and mixed the shonen anime style with black culture to create racial commentary that didn’t care about white feelings. It was successful and now a cult classic. So these demographics can create great stories if given a chance to put those perspectives into art.

[@alchemystudiosink1894]

@@Animefan24711 Nah, that is what they pretend having diversity of demographics will do. Its like having a bag of M&Ms but you remove only the red ones. The other colors don't inherently have anything different. You need the different flavors of M&Ms. A bowl of different types of red M&Ms (Plain, peanut, pretzel etc) is more diverse than a bowl of plain M&Ms that is every color but red. But they'll say it isn't, because those are red M&Ms. And maybe they'll mix the other colors of other kinds of M&Ms, but they don't stop there. They mix in everything else too. Skittles, lemon heads, jawbreakers, rat poison, birth control, meatballs, mothballs, cannon balls, doormats, democrats, tongue slats, church bells, fresh water snails.. etc. Might be fine as a chowder but they're trying to tell you its a hamburger.

[@jakelee7083]

@@Animefan24711 "Another show was Boondocks which was from primarily a black perspective and mixed the shonen anime style with black culture to create racial commentary that didn’t care about white feelings." Then you didn't watch the video. The Boondocks wasn't intended to enrage the "anti-audience" of white people. It rags on black people and culture a lot more than it even addresses white people because it comes from a place of caring. Most would be surprised to that The Boondocks actually criticized Obama for just being black and having no other qualifications for being president (or, at the very least, his voters for having no other reason to vote for him). It didn't pander to anyone. It was what it was - an original story with believable characters.

[@Ayem427]

Believe me, as a trans person we hate this shit too, because all we get out of it is a 2-bit stereotype of ourselves pushed as "representation" Like give us an actual interesting character who also just happens to be trans, that's all we want man Edit: a good example imo is Claire from cyberpunk, you literally don't realize she's trans until she herself says it, and it doesn't affect her character that much, she's still got one of the more interesting stories in the game

[@NakedOwl501]

This video was recommended via the algorithm and I gotta say, I liked your balanced takedown of both left and right examples of shows that are guilty of this. I miss when media was meant to entertain

[@generalesdeath5836]

I will never understand why “entertainment” these days hate their entire audience.

[@DasKame]

i blame Video Games (nah, just kidding)

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

Because it's made by a particular subset of the population that hate everybody else. They call themselves "God's Chosen Master Race".

[@falloutboy1379]

Most likely cause ppl like Mindy Kaling, people at the daily wire, and David Valsalv took that "entertainment" and put what entertained them and not the audience.

[@amberbaum4079]

Because they think "normal" entertainment, that is meant to be enjoyable won't get this much butts in the seat if it isn't front-loaded with crap to encourage hate-watching from one side and dumb tribalistic celebratory watching from "the other side". Gotta drum up the media circus to scream out that your entertainment piece exist. In the end woke and anti-woke marketing is still pretty effective in the times of ad-blockers, a lot of people not watching cable anymore(no tv ads) and dwindling print news outlets readership(again no ads to reach the people).

[@Goremejy]

It’s no longer about telling a story. Now it’s all about going down whatever checklist the “writers” think the characters should be, while also yelling and insulting straw man representations of “the enemy”. It’s honestly so childish it’s kinda absurd in a weird way.

[@StonedDragons]

This is the thing, when you hire an activist to run things the show no longer becomes about the audience or being profitable (because as the 80's proved even what amounts to 20 minute toy commercials can do well if you make them appeal to your audience) but rather delivering a 'message'.

[@Steir12]

​​@@StonedDragonsIts all about the modern worldview i guess. People want to adjust the world to their needs rather than find their place in it. Thats why all sorts of rebels and revolutionaries are so glazed in modern media and why the media itself is filled with activists who think they're destined to change the world. And because changing the world isnt really plausible for a single normal person they constantly dissatisfied with themselves, angry and spiteful.

[@kurisu7885]

It was revealed that spite was part of why Thundercats Roar was the way it was, the guy who made it hated Thundercats.

[@InkRose]

You're 100% right on this, no matter your political leaning, creating things out of spite leads to a miserable experience for the audience.

[@crisananca313]

the most disturbing part, THEY ARE ACTUALLY MAKING A JETSONS REBOOT SERIES!

[@SamtheBravesFan]

I'm not even angry about that, I'm just baffled more than anything else. They revived the show once in the 80s and then just did nothing with it after the movie.

[@purpledragon1945]

Oh fuck no

[@niggacockball7995]

They are able to create nothing.

[@crisananca313]

@@purpledragon1945 oh you think thats bad? Elizabeth Banks (yeah the Charlies Angels one) is making a Pebbles centric Flintstones reboot, and shes voicing Pebbles...its basically VELMA 2.0, its called Bedrock, but they are entering the bronze age...so Fred is forced to retire

[@asmodeusguys4472]

Its just gonna be a caricature of leftist ideologies.

[@hrock2001]

I remember Star Trek introducing the first interracial kiss on TV, and they didn't treat it as a big deal they just treated it as normal and it worked and they didn't do it out of spite.

[@kevinrwhooley9439]

The people behind Teen Titans Go seemed really spiteful towards their critics, painting them all with the same brush as losers with no lives, even the ones who had legitimate criticism, such as how the favouritism Cartoon Network gave the show essentially screwed over other ones and got them cancelled.

[@darkstalkerknight63]

And yet it was one of the most watched shows before cartoon network did that. Your hate only made them stronger

[@JDReC100]

And yet it gave WB enough money to stick around for over a decade, and even got a theatrical movie release... that was actually well recieved. Life is strange sometimes

[@oshkeet]

@@JDReC100 Not that strange. Companies don't actually care for fandom discourse much unless it affects the bottom line. We have a tendency to go into echo chambers that don't actually reflect what the average viewer does then pretend that something didnt happen cause WE didnt like it (e.g., "I know it made lots of money but I still didnt like it" vs "I didnt like it so obviously it didnt make money"). Then the ratings come in and its in the top ten most watched of whatever service and we get 3 more seasons and people never learn.

[@Code7Unltd]

Some say that made them stronger, but you have to remember two things. For one, people are getting priced out of Pay-TV, with only baby boomers sticking around (hence why cowboys are 'hot stuff' in TV right now). The other thing is that with the audience shrinking, it's not that hard to become 'no. 1' with a small audience or series of qualifiers.

[@darkstalkerknight63]

@@Code7Unltd and yet the number of subs they are getting is growing. so they weighted the price changes with the benefits and saw that it is not a big deal. also they are now doing bundle deals and group deals so that is not the case anymore. they are also doing cable deals as well so again not a big deal. but their audience is growing. what are you talking about.

[@Nameless_mixes]

The problem with shows like this have is that they aren’t even pushing any morals or ideals. It’s just “Look! A leftist! Boooo!!!” And it sucks because there’s room in the industry for more traditionalist values to be displayed in a well written series. Let’s look at the plot about the students failing his wood-shop class. He also disapproves of his son’s gaming/streaming hobby. You can build off of that. We can still start off with the kids being uninterested in the class and not respecting Mr. B’s authority. He fails them and their immediate reaction is to threaten to have their parents talk to the school. Insert some conflict. Maybe have the kids are playing around with the tools and the principal’s desk breaks. Ya know, instead of something boring like tools get banned for safety reasons. Then, the students have to actually work hard to learn the lessons from class to fix it. They try and fail. Mr. B sees what they’re doing and teaches them in a calm and understanding manner. The kids realize how respecting their teachers and paying attention in class has its merits and Mr. B realizes that he can’t just use some convoluted donkey system to grade his students. Both characters learn something and find some common ground to work together harmoniously. Maybe there’s another episode where he wants to take them lumber jacking. Some of the students are too glued to their devices to want to go outdoors while others are against cutting down trees. They turn it into a weekend camping trip where some of the students get lost and they have no phone signal. They have to use what they’ve learned from playing video games to survive and find their way back. In the end, he realizes that gaming can have its benefits and the kids also want to spend more time outdoors. It’s then revealed that he wanted to chop down trees that were either sick or invasive species or something that justified cutting them down for wood working. He planned all along to replace them by planting new trees. You still get that “dang Liberal environmentalist hippie” jabs while still making a compelling story. Obviously, I’m not a writer and these are some pretty basic conflict-resolution plots. The point is that there is so much that can be done with a more conservative/traditionalist ideology. Just attacking one character that’s already an amplified amalgamation of stereotypes isn’t interesting media. It’s just a conservative fever dream where they get to “own the libs”. When you vilify a character for who they are (political/religious beliefs, race, sex, gender, sexual orientation, etc.) instead of for their actions, you’ve instantly lost. The reason why shows like Static Shock work is because they still humanize characters that we may not see eye-to-eye with. Richie’s father obviously holds some extremely bigoted views of others and is meant to be an antagonist. But the show doesn’t revolve around dunking on him. It explores what makes him tick and opens his eyes to the reality that the world is changing. Even more direct shows like the original Proud Family focus more on the human aspect of these conflicts and less on trying to make someone out to be the bad guy (something missing from Louder And Prouder). Anyways, I’m just angry that shoving political beliefs down everyone’s throats has taken priority over good writing and trying to tell a compelling story that may teach audiences a lesson or share what the writer(s)’ beliefs are. There are ways to do this that these writers just don’t seem capable of pulling that off. And thinking of all the shows that got canned while this and Velma were greenlit… It’s so disappointing to see the state of the industry.

[@jaysherman2615]

Well we had an episode of King of the Hill that tackles that perfectly. The episode where Hank becomes a substitute shop class teacher and shows the kids they are capable of fixing and building things. Because Hank works one on one with the kids and shows them all of the tricks and secrets of learning how to do things, they begin to love him and even go so far as to go to his house to learn more after Hank was fired.

[@Ergeniz]

@@jaysherman2615 BTW the reason he was fired was because Peggy got jealous of his popularity.

[@floofyboi7546]

@@Ergeniz I thought it was because the schools zero tolerance rule meant the staff identified wood working tools as weapons

[@Ergeniz]

@@floofyboi7546 Yes, that was the reason Piggy used to get him fired.

[@thejuiceking2219]

yeah, remember the movie about how powerful people were being held back by an excessive desire for equality and how that's a bad thing? you know, the Incredibles?

[@grubblewubbles]

You put this thing that I’ve had on my mind for so long so well, cause I was confused whether it was politics (because both the overtly right and left shows made me cringe so hard) and spite is the perfect word for it

[@devinsauls9137]

J is right! We need meaningful stories, not spiteful shows trying to stick it to the trolls and haters! 😤

[@iforgot6088]

Sounds like the funniest thing about Mr Birchum is that it fell into the exact same pit trap as the shows it was made to push back against.

[@DjPrimeVideos]

At least it didn't drag a well known ip into it. Which helps with it when it falls into obscurity.

[@darwinxavier3516]

Trashy politically biased vanity project tries to make their strawman antagonist look bad. Meanwhile the self insert protags are such awful POS that it makes the antags look either more interesting or objectively more moral people. That horseshoe is becoming more of a ring everyday.

[@josephkeen7224]

That’s political extremists for you, fighting against something but too fucking stupid to notice that they’re becoming what they fight against (you could apply this to ether side).

[@snoozeflu]

But it managed to do so without changing already established characters with already established lore with an already established fan base.

[@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo]

​@@snoozefludoesn't matter it still sucks I had to mute it so I don't end up hearing the cringey dialouge out of any of the characters in that daily wire show

[@The_Real_Omni-Man_No_Cap]

Why can’t we all respect each other and celebrate humanity

[@OrangeLefty4]

“Don’t like it, don’t watch it” Yeah don’t be surprised when everyone, including your target audience, hates on your show, regardless of your message

[@realJoeMavro]

But if you hate on a show and watch it anyway, you become part of the problem.

[@SHMidlerPlays]

@@realJoeMavroexactly

[@Anonymous-cn9ow]

Mr Birrchum presents itself as a show "too offensive for tv", however, looking at shows like Drawn Together and South Park that were literally too offensive for tv, they worked because of the many boundaries they pushed that got on a lot of executive's nerves. Mr Birchum feels more like some boomer got upset that at a Twitter user and began punching at the air.

[@iamtheduckman112]

I read that as “Sprite is ruining media” LOL what is wrong with my mind sometimes💀

[@yulee3266]

It happens to all of us

[@Flesh_Wizard]

Sorry I tipped my sprite into the Disney database 🥺

[@paigemosher8697]

It's those god damn cranberries!

[@yulee3266]

@@sunny-gt7qw lighten up

[@lastsonoftennessee9895]

What people don't seem to understand is that in order for a piece of media to advance some message it has to be catered to the people who DON'T agree with it. If you want to preach against racism, your work has to appeal to racists or at least people who are undecided, because they're the ones who need it. If you want to advance conservative values, you have to have a work that watched/read by liberals, or at least moderates. Otherwise, it's like making a weight-loss program that only accepts skinny people, or a doctor that will only treat healthy patients.

[@ptitepompe469]

Not even really, you just need to really believe in your creation beyond being a vehicle for your ideologies and spite, as well as being funny. plenty of right wing people make very convincing videos and parodies that are enjoyable for their targetted audience because it actually try to be funny on it's own. that was the whole stuff about breadtubers a while back, people that were making informative and reserched video essays about a subject they liked while taking plenty of jabs toward right wing people. because those videos even without the spite standed on their own as informative.

[@vagrant2863]

I think in addition to the spite is a lack of love. The creators certainly enjoy attacking their perceived foes but what also is apparent is that their creation is nothing more than a vehicle for that. There is nothing to elevate these shows above that because the creators didn't want it to be anything beyond that. Hatred alone can't create good work.

[@MrLinkkid]

Mr. Birtchem is like velma for the other side... But atleast no childhoods got destroyed by it lol.

[@Karak-_-]

They at least had the guts to make a new IP.

[@Phantomsangel]

I think that spite media is a problem in media right now. I'm guilty of wanting to act out of spite but I know it logically wouldn't do any good. Like, how are we supposed to be positive when stuff like this exists encouraging us to be pessimistic and petty.

[@redstreak9430]

Anyone else remember the moment the new G4 crashed and burned when that one lady said “if you don’t like it, don’t watch it”?

[@SamtheBravesFan]

A legendary moment that quashed any chance of G4 fully coming back.

[@Kaiserboo1871]

G4?

[@JDReC100]

​@@Kaiserboo1871it's a whole thing bro. An old gaming network revived and squandered.

[@Drakkel]

It was probably more the fact that the relaunch was funded entirely by some techbro failson who had no actual plan for how it would make money but it's so much easier to just blame everything wrong in the world on people that don't look like you I guess.

[@alexandermonroe5046]

Spite is absolutely screwing up media girl! My mother and I were talking the other day about how happiness doesn't sell and most shows are about some mixture of drama,murder,drugs,abuse sexual and physical,exploitation,racism you name it, I think that's a big part of why people won't stop talking about smiling friends they are cutting against the grain of today making a show that genuinely makes me smile and laugh.

[@mamodokod]

This is the entire She-Hulk show.

[@MarquisLeary34]

And most of animated "adult" sit coms.

[@seakermac5800]

@@MarquisLeary34at some point they simply started worshipping gays and blacks and outright hating white ppl. Crazy to be so open with that lame shit

[@oshkeet]

not even close sorry a single line of some lady venting puts your butt in a knot but once you learn to talk to women irl its much less egregious than you think

[@nehen2225]

@@oshkeet Complaining about a show being bad means you don't talk to women irl. Wow, the defenders of these shit shows are shitty people, who would of thought.

[@cerver6765]

@@oshkeetThere’s more to it. The ending, she hulk claiming she has it worse than Bruce, the character assassination of Daredevil, to name a few.

[@DarkCT]

it's not even just anger on display in both directions. theres swings of arrogance too. I mostly am aware of this in localization, so thanks for some of these examples, but really... creativity is being stifled by so many forces at this point. the fact the new bare minimium is "at least you messed up your own IP" is... pretty bad.

[@melly3043]

I really appreciate you describing a feeling I’ve had about a lot of media that I couldn’t pinpoint.

[@GreenGimmick]

2:30 "Its almost like they're excited to annoy people." Several people who have remade or rebooted franchises have quiet literally said just that.

[@chughes6034]

Geez. Almost makes you wonder why we should get excited for anything if that's how the creators are gonna behave. At least we can revisit old stuff instead of all of this, but even that's gonna be hard with the current streaming environment. Go, physical media!!

[@BelBelle468]

A lot of creatives will write pointed commentary or insults at executives or higher ups that make their lives worse. Like in the show The Owl House, the MC makes a joke that’s a commentary on the fact their show was cut short. Justified, considering how massive the fanbase was and how much money Disney would’ve made off of it. So much money they felt it necessary to apologize to the creator after the fact. In that vein tho, creatives calling out BS decisions by higher ups are great. Most shitty decisions are made by them. And in the case of Velma, they literally forced the creators to make a Scooby doo show when they didn’t want to. But when they’re sending hate towards the audience, which have done NOTHING to them, then it’s a problem. Yes, some audiences r stupid, focusing on brands more than original content. And some are way too politically minded and focus on that more than anything else. But targeting a vocal minority of AHs rather than trying to make something good for everyone else who does care is so awful.

[@AWlpsSHOW36]

Just go searching in Op Shops, record stores, online stores, and second hand places like Thrift Books. You'll find DVD's in all of those places. DVD's are definately not dead yet.

[@toxicreaper1180]

More like go piracy.

[@Frank451Martin]

Just go pirated it or watch on pirated streaming sites with an adblocker turn on. It's less of a pain of finding physical copy of an obscure show that the company never bother to release.

[@robbycooper6787]

3:17 I wish they took the wings of fire approach to heavy subjects and exaggerated them to a point that it’s impossible to fully comprehend and the message is impossible to decipher

[@DantetheHegehog14]

Spite not only hurts production company backed media, but also fan-media. Anybody remember Spider-Man Lotus? That was made purely outta spite, and it ended up SUCKING.

[@orboakin8074]

As a conservative, i 100% agree with you on this. Birchum is just bland lazy trash and is basically rightwing version of the woke leftist garbage many people have already come to dislike. Entertainment should not bot be about toxic identity politics or ideological "gotcha" moments. It shoukd have good writing, characterization, and just be enjoyable at least. This

[@npcimknot958]

Wouldn’t it be funny if teh middle sane people made a show making fun of both sides 😂😂😂 oh , thats just called reality

[@orboakin8074]

@@npcimknot958 yep, that would be it. Basically, 90s and early 2000s media. Good times

[@brendofire2084]

@@npcimknot958wait I thought it was called South Park

[@racingraptor4758]

​@@npcimknot958and south park ;)

[@Dennis-nc3vw]

Mr. Birchum sucks at social satire, but its still funny when a character says something really crass like "Were you trying to kill yourself? If so I can leave while you finish" or "We were focused on avoiding The Noid...and AIDS"

[@scroopynoopers9824]

Had no idea Daily Wire made their own cartoon. Nor would I have ever thought to compare its flaws to Velma. The similarities are striking

[@johnc7389]

I think the "If you don't like it, don't watch it" is perfectly fair, and as these shows all tank one after another, I hope they're glad everyone took their advice.

[@joseroman5084]

A classic saying if I may: Two wrongs don't make a right, and that hasn't changed even now, though so many still miss that fact!?!

[@ulisesf1414]

Spite is ruining humanity bruh

[@makocrab2223]

I watched all of Velma season 1, and the spite was palpable. And it wasn’t just aimed towards the audience. The show seemed to radiate a dismissive or spiteful attitude towards the Scooby IP as a whole. I find it hard to believe that Mindy & co. are the fans of Scooby that they claim to be.

[@SHMidlerPlays]

I also find that hard to believe as well.

[@deltamachine343]

They're not fans. They pretend to be so they can have relevance.

[@SHMidlerPlays]

@@deltamachine343 agreed and exactly

[@c-o-b-o-2010]

These hateful shows and movies are examples why indie stuff is getting more and more attention. The indie stuff is more focused on story and characters so that they can *gasp* entertain people rather than being spiteful towards a certain group of people.

[@Cubeytheawesome]

Unfortunately, the people who are entertained by indie stuff tend to be spiteful towards each other.

[@c-o-b-o-2010]

@@Cubeytheawesome That is true sadly. People can’t just come together and enjoy a show or series. There has to be conflict in some way. However, I’d rather have a great indie show than a bad one even with the toxic fans.

[@SodaFrizz666]

This is why I love finding and supporting unique, small artists! Small visual novels/comics/books/games are so full of the art & passion & genuine creativity that main media lacks nowadays. (Some of my favorites are Butterfly Soup & Get In The Car, Loser)!!!

[@PhillipBurbo]

Yes! They’ve gone from “The fans will love this!” to “X will hate this!” Focus on the fans!

[@tibedog5629]

Another thing that is ruining media is there are no more heroes. There are no actors or actresses that have any swagger or any characters who are true relatable individuals

[@eeyorehaferbock7870]

I think that’s only true if you’re talking about the more bloated franchises. People seem to like Timothée Chalamet and the rest of the cast of the recent Dune movies; outside of that, I’d think that Anya Taylor-Joy and Nicolas Cage are good examples of younger and older actors who people generally like even if they’re not necessarily tied to any one franchise.

[@TheBrazilRules]

That is what I tell everyone. I love Two Good Shoes heroes who are conceptually perfect, because the point of heroes is not to be ReLaTaBlE it is to inspire us to be better than what we are. If our heroes are not perfect, it means we will get to their level someday and not have any reason to strive to be better, and if your character is relatable, it means probably most people are already on their level, so what even is the point of them being "heroes" in the first place?

[@novateel6037]

Watch Kamen Rider, Super Sentai, power rangers, or any other good super hero shows. These shows have all that you want with goody two shoes, relatable cast, and also the swagger. You want a Superman like character than I recommend Kamen Rider Kuuga bcus that guy inspires one to be kind.

[@tommieveazey7224]

Married with children is one of my favorite shows of all time

[@crisananca313]

I see you are a man of culture as well!

[@Linklex7]

You were raised right.

[@FeralChaos2012]

That was a fantastic show, shame we may never see another like it anymore.

[@crisananca313]

can we all just take a moment to appreciate the legend that scored 4 touch downs in a single game?!

[@TheBrazilRules]

Yeah, that is what I thought about when he talked about the other sitcom at the ending.

[@rielmaja]

Spite is harming more than just our media. It's harming our ability to even begin to have difficult conversations. Can't have a constructive conversation with someone who immediately writes you off for one reason or another...which isn't to say that we should be tolerant of intolerance but choosing better battles seems like a good start.

[@MrTwistedLizard]

I've always been confused on how people like me who grew up with shows/Movies like Static Shock, Mucha Lucha, Totally Spies,Gargoyles, Cyber 6, Blade, Terminator, Aliens, etc. are somehow phobics for not like modern Media. Like when did it become Phobic to like good writing? On top of that the "If you Don't like it don't buy it" argument always falls flat when they turn around and BLAME the people who didn't watch/read their show/book for doing horribly (See Ghostbuster 2016). Like I can live with a product "wasn't made for me" why can't they accept they made a bad product? Finally Velma was the nail in the coffin for my admitted confirmation bias, Mindy Kaling said she was making it for the usual "Representation" issues, at the same time she said she wanted to do Velma cause she felt a "connection" with the character, you know DESPITE the fact the character wasn't the same ethnicity as the Mindy. To top it off she didn't even make the character Velma, it was just her putting herself in Velma's shoes. And because of this all the other characters had to change to try to hide what a horrible person/character she was, and funnily enough she's still the worse thing about her own show

[@elegantoddity8609]

This makes me think of Penn Zero actually, where the characters just zap into the bodies of the actual story's protagonists so they can get stuff done. This is what I'm seeing here. It's not Velma, it's Mindy zapping into Velmas body to presumably do the story better, I suppose.

[@TheNeoVariable]

Spite is harming more than just media, but seeing the decline of everything goes to show how biased, immature and narcissistic show runners and the like have become. Completely disconnected to the common people.

[@Tom_Shepperd143]

I remember in "The Watchmen" show there was a big 3D sign in one of the scenes that just said, "If you don't like my story, write you're own" and it had no relevance to the plot at all. It was just shoved in there to bitch about criticism they haven't even received yet. It's just cringe.

[@fernthaisetthawatkul5569]

this is why i always recommend the creed films, they are the rare example of how to reboot a property the right way. they introduced the new modern black protagonist, but NEVER insulted or disrespected the old "straight white" protagonist! instead they had rocky step in as creed's mentor, which helped in the gradual "passing of the torch".

[@Take22952]

I think the best way to spite people is to just not bother with them and just create something from the heart.

[@tessfabled4115]

Oh ABSOLUTELY, it's like a good chunk of showrunners today approach creating their IP with the mindset of 'how I can I piss off the people I don't like?'

[@AbrasiousProductions]

in the end fighting fire with fire just creates more fire.