Springfield Echelon vs Walther PDP

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[@scoth2455]

I am a PDP fan. However the real winner is the consumer with all the great choices.

[@damiansutube]

Well said! Hear, hear!

[@TheAmerican1963]

I agree !!!! I'm an Echelon fanboy but the PDP is Hella fine !!!!! No bad choices with either one !!!! But I will say this .... The Echelon will shot high. My Green 508T cured that . 🙂👍👍👍

[@raylandraybels9462]

I pick the Croation sensation. One of my favorite pistols I own

[@jeffpopiel7304]

Another excellent comparison video. Always the most calm and informative amongst the rest.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Thank you very much! I'd probably get more views and subs if I acted like I was selling a Shamu on late nite TV, but I just can't do it.

[@jeffpopiel7304]

@JustinOpinionChannel I literally audibly laughed when I read that. And your quite welcome, it's a pleasure to get a reply from the man himself.

[@gracedagostino5231]

If you shoot them side by side the Springfield Echelon is a smoother flatter shooter, than the Walther PDP. I'm back on target quicker with the Echelon, so my speed is better.

[@paulh6101]

Lol if u shoot any pistol next to a PDP it's going to shoot flatter.

[@gracedagostino5231]

Yes, I even shot my XD40 Service next to the 9mm PDP, and the PDP still had more muzzle flip. A 40 S&W!@@paulh6101

[@judahlion5826]

We aren't talking about rifles here. Anyone who says that one pistol is a significantly flatter shooter than another is plainly delusional at best. There is no way that a bullet from the same caliber is going to have a consistently significant larger drop from one pistol to another within 25 yards. Just an idiotic statement

[@gracedagostino5231]

Lol, you think they shoot all the same, with the exact same muzzle flip? I don't believe for one minute you have shot many different pistols. No way!@@judahlion5826

[@808G8GT]

I agree 100%.

[@walterniklowicz9141]

The Walther magazine compatibility between the ppq and the pdp is only between the ppq m2 but not the m1. What is often not mentioned about the Walther trigger is that although the trigger weight may be 4.5 pounds it feels much lighter in use

[@garrettbarbosa4982]

I have both and I kill it with the echelon which shocked me completely and I love my walther triggers especially my Q5match, but man I was drilling the targets with the echelon and it was not nearly as snappy as the PDP that has always been one of the things about the PDP that kept me from shooting it more. I have to constantly adjust my grip on the PDP but the echelon was just drill away and clover leafs every where. I was not sure if I was gambling on the Springfield but boy am I glad I got it,it’s going into my rotation for sure!!! Thank bro!!!

[@gregglass119]

PDP all day, and twice on Sunday.

[@sauryvalerio4894]

No

[@kevbiker3982]

Nope

[@kr5824]

I found a PDP Pro on sale and I’m about to “pull the trigger” on the purchase. Is there anything else in the same price range/category to consider? Sounds like you are happy with your PDP.

[@justusbryant7366]

Nope

[@Ronin606]

Yes!Yes!Yes!

[@roul3688]

Hard to imagine a trigger better than a PPQ/PDP, especially that PDT that comes on the SD Pros. Thanks for the comparison!

[@Roadrider19119]

I have both. The Echelon is on a different level. It's the flattest shooting 9mm I own.

[@judahlion5826]

We aren't talking about rifles here. Anyone who says that one pistol is a significantly flatter shooter than another is plainly delusional at best. There is no way that a bullet from the same caliber is going to have a consistently significant larger drop from one pistol to another within 25 yards. Just an idiotic statement

[@Roadrider19119]

@judahlion5826 LMAO! When people are talking about flat shooting HANDGUNS. They are talking about LESS MUZZLE FLIP.

[@judahlion5826]

@@Roadrider19119 That is even dumber! One, muzzle flip has nothing to do with the bullet shooting flatly and secondly, no pistol with a tilting barrel design shoots flatly. A titling barrel pistol can't shoot flatly you bunch of dull people.

[@Roadrider19119]

@judahlion5826 I can't do this. You have no idea what we are talking about. You are all over the comments in this video . Repeating the same thing that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Makes me wonder if you ever shot a gun before. Thanks for the laugh 😃. Can't wait to share this one.

[@shazmodeus2795]

I own both and they're both fantastic duty gun options. Just an FYI, Holosun make a PDP specific version of their SCS optic that direct mounts to the PDP slide, which allows for co-witness with the stock / normal height sights.

[@Iamshields632]

NIce comparison. You can definitely see how much flatter the recoil impulse is with the Echelon. Looks more like it pushes back vs the muzzle flipping up like on the PDP.

[@spacecomet128]

Celebrate both tools, we’re blessed to even be able to have comparison vids.

[@MrBuckeye63]

Waiting impatiently for a 4 inch barreled 17rd Echelon…. Shot show came and went

[@MrSheldonjohnson]

I have both, and I can't decide yet which one I would prefer over the other. I am so glad I don't have to decide. I think both guns are well made and you can't lose with either one.

[@808G8GT]

I have both...out of the box I like the echelon a little more.

[@gutWrench9mm]

The Walter PDP has a step chambered barrel. I am not sure if the Springfield has the same design with their barrel. the PDP has a slight advantage because the chamber wraps around the cartridge, more snug and you get more feet per second. Approximately 50 to 80 feet more

[@readyup1809]

That’s been proven to be a myth for increased FPS. VP9 has a stepped chamber also, but it actually improves FPS.

[@michaelblanton9949]

Niece review. I don’t own the Walther but the Echelon quickly displaced my other full size 9 mms (Glocks and SIGs) as my favorite. I do have an optic and light mounted. Interesting accuracy comparison. My Echelon shoots well with FMJ ammo but it’s outstanding with higher quality ammo. In my case, I’ve found that SIG Elite V-Crown 124 JHP gives amazing accuracy.

[@micaKTM1290]

Can't wait for the compact Echelon to come out. The U dot sight is nice, I have one on my Hellcat, the reason I picked it over the Sig.

[@Caliboy94]

Same I’m loving the hellcat pro

[@LA-TEEZI]

Both are great platforms, the Springfield shoots nice and flat, likely cause it’s bigger… PDP went a bit thickkk… still prefer a clean PPQ

[@judahlion5826]

We aren't talking about rifles here. Anyone who says that one pistol is a significantly flatter shooter than another is plainly delusional at best. There is no way that a bullet from the same caliber is going to have a consistently significant larger drop from one pistol to another within 25 yards. Just an idiotic statement

[@jdontcare8520]

​@@judahlion5826, I believe he means that the Echelon has less muzzle rise and returns to zero faster than the PDP (which it does). No need to be rude, bro.

[@MarkAndrewEdwards]

Thank you for the comparison. I have the 'first gen' version here: PPQ and XD9. Dunno if I'll ever buy either now but I appreciate the info.

[@Asidebar]

Echelon is my pick

[@MattTheBandGuy]

Hands down, the Echelon for me! I’ll take the controllability of the HS Produkt over the snappiness of the Walther. I’m not a trigger snob and so the nice trigger the PDP offers is not a game changer for me.

[@jonhaugen5799]

A great comparison video. Both guns are great shooters. It would have to be a coin toss for me to decide one over the other. But, I think the SAE would be the winner for me if it was a compact size.

[@jtaylorb88]

Added a DPM spring to my 5 inch and it's night and day difference shooting. Walther did a horrible job tuning the gun with it's stock spring. The replacement made it shoot so much flatter.

[@KENAHIGHLANDER]

Does DPM make a spring for the compact?

[@davidmarcey7970]

Echelon all day for me! I think Springfield is killing it now with the Echelon the Hellcat pro the xdm elite 3.8 10mm the Emissary and the new TRP cc model. Still on the fence about the Prodigy seen a lot of reviews where it didn't do so hot

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Yeah, I haven't even seen a Prodigy in real life. Can't justify putting the channel's money into one yet.

[@jamesdelong6401]

Good evening, Justin. 👌 video. I'm waiting on getting my hands on Walther's new Match steel frame PDP. Thank you for the discount codes. I'm a fan of Talon Grips. I just received a set for my rock island tac ultra fshc 10mm and a DIY set to install on my VR80 shotgun build.

[@deanburney]

WALTHER.

[@48coolone]

I am very thankful I own both of them. To me the Echelon is the "slightly" bigger brother of the PDP. They both have the best slide serrations of any striker fired pistols on the market. Great vid Justin!

[@Blindsyde5762]

A great trigger is important to me, and PDP is thr best feeling trigger Ive ever felt. I owned a VP9 and loved it. Trigger was very similar, but I was surprised that the PDP felt even better. PDP is AMAZING. ❤

[@ottoman5713]

No better trigger than the Canik Rival. 90 degree flat trigger and reset is the shortest.

[@shazmodeus2795]

I keep hoping that Walther will come out with a P365XL / Hellcat Pro sized competitor as I'd buy one instantly, based on how great the PDP is.

[@user-ty5di3ku6o]

For me, the PDP feels better in hand, but I like the makeshift go fast pedal on the Echelon, so I'll call that even. But the trigger for me still goes to the PDP. The PDP hits the wall, and it breaks. The Echelon hits a wall, then has a little mush before breaking. It isn't bad, but I shoot it slower, and it reminds me too much of a Glock trigger.

[@thomascarpenter7415]

We ARE in the golden age of guns ! More and more features for less money .

[@azcompetitiveshooter]

echelon all day. i have over 5k rounds through mine and it gets better and better. the first new pistol ive loved since glock and m&p

[@In_con_ceivable]

The original sights on my PDP were messing me up with my red dot. I changed them to Fision sights and it’s made a huge difference with my accuracy as I’m able to find my sights when I present. Nice video.

[@RowdyElGuapo]

I will start thinking about the Springfield in a few years. Very happy with a PDP Pro currently.

[@MohaveShootingGallery]

I own both and it’s very hard to choose one over the other. Being a lefty I lean toward the echelon more often than not

[@273VIPER]

I have both but I enjoy the SA a little more than the PDP

[@markwoodward1716]

you can physically see in your vid how much flatter the Echelon shoots.

[@Nordori]

bro the camera is insane it makes me feel like im there . bravo sir

[@user-fi8ge2ud5m]

Im waiting for a smaller Echelon 3.5". Also need to see more grip module aftermarket support

[@allenc4909]

PDP fan boy here. One other difference: the Echelon has a Glock-style grip angle. The PDP doesn’t which lends itself to more easily to point-and-shoot. With the Echelon, for better accuracy, you have to rotate your support hand’s wrist more forward into the traditional “Glock-grip”, which can put a strain on that wrist.

[@raptor008v2]

I have both and you are absolutely right. The PDP's grip angle is similar to my M&P. The less aggressive grip angle points more naturally and is more comfortable in my opinion.

[@leftyo9589]

yet you can stack an echelon right on top of a glock, and see they dont have the same grip angle. i have both, ive done it!

[@ronaldharris9732]

Could you do an instructional video on installing the XS Sights on the PDP please.

[@toddparsons2980]

Excellent review and comparison 👍👍👍

[@Texze]

Sure would like to see the Kimber KDS9c reviewed.

[@BBDragon66]

Love when you play my favorite song!!

[@ericbergfield6451]

I'm very happy that I got the Echelon, it's fun, & I'm able to put the "trigger group" into different pistol grips as they [eventually] get released

[@triggerman1092]

Had them both. Echelon hands down. Walther is wayÿy to fat. Echelon has better sights and is way slimmer. Plus the echelon feels like it is better quality

[@shazmodeus2795]

You had 1 flyer down in each group and if you eliminate that from both, their is no contest between which pistol you shot better.

[@RICKGRIMM-de9gv]

Love to see a video between the Echelon and the new Sig 365 FUSE. They appear similar to my eyes.

[@bobyjones3905]

I have both I’ve always heard how good Walter triggers were to me it’s ok but not great . They are pretty close to the same

[@chadrageus]

I have both but I'm gonna pick the pdp it's my edc. The echelon is pretty close though.

[@chadrageus]

I should mention the pdp is a compact.

[@nick-trish]

I love my Echelon, but God I hate that trigger! I'll never understand how people can say it's good! And there's not a good aftermarket out there. There's PRP, but it just makes it less bad. It'll need replacement sears to fix it...Hint-Apex... Wink wink.

[@ronmartblog]

Good one - best look at the Eschelon trigger reset that I’ve seen Thanks 🙏🏼

[@wadeirwin7003]

I have both these guns and love them both!

[@warfumble]

Great comparison!

[@kevbiker3982]

Rented both, Echelon has much better ergonomics. Both shoot well. PDP felt kinda cheap. Echelon was more solid. Echelon is the winner.

[@slimdog7088]

We all visually see more snap with the PDP.

[@judahlion5826]

There is no way that any human can accurately and visually determine more snap in a pistol than another with the human eye. Your statement is pure hyperbole and a lie.

[@jameschestnut7786]

​@judahlion5826 I have the PDP pro SD 5.1 and it was snappier than any other handgun I own until I added a HA comp and zr guide rod and 15lb spring. If you have working eyeballs you can see that the pdp is jumping more than the echelon.

[@sinistar426]

The PDP appears to have a higher bore axis. Assuming thats the case, do you find it "snappier" than the Springfield? The other thing with the Springfield, do you have any issues with the ambi mag release hitting your hand when engaging it with the thumb causing you to break your grip to use it or even stopping the mag release from engaging fully because its hitting the hand on the opposite side? This is why a lot of folks dont like ambi mag releases. Great comparison.

[@ernfrid123]

I don’t know if my eyes, but it look like the echelon is a bit more flat shooter… Nice comparison…💪🏼👍🏼🇵🇷

[@jameschestnut7786]

Definitely, pdp snappy in stock trim.

[@whitingm43]

You can't really judge muzzle flip from this video, his recoil management is not great. Sorry, no offense.

[@MrEd-dc6mh]

Great review, thank you.

[@trumpurace1635]

Have you shoot the echelon at any sort of distance, something further than 13 yards? Just purchased one and have about 350 rounds on it this week and it's printing considerable high at 15 & 20 yards. Fired it back to back with some of my glocks and it's hitting about 6-7" high consistently. Glocks are bullseyes...I think it's going back to SA this week.

[@magicd5780]

Can definitely tell the Springfield is flatter shooting due to it'lower bore axis

[@javoratree3861]

I’m a Walther fan, loved the PPQ. But there’s a couple of things to note. First the PDP is NOT compatible with PPQ M1 mags. The PDP is only compatible with PPQ M2 mags. I’m going to assume that the reviewer forgot about the two versions of the PPQ. The reviewer also didn’t note the time it took him to fire those 10 shots on to the paper targets, that was an oversight on his part that left out valuable information. The PDP is not really conceal carry friendly compared to the Springfield. All that said, I’m not a fan of either handgun. The slide is too blocky on the PDP and the beaver tail on the Springfield is too small. For those reasons I wouldn’t recommend either one.

[@BB-yh5rd]

Like my PDP a lot. Don't have the Echelon but my conceal is the Hellcat RDP which I also like a lot. I toyed around with an Echelon at the shop the other day and I assume I would like it a lot, too. This comparison makes 100% sense and I think it comes down to personal preference as the deciding factor. PDP has a better trigger but it's one of the world's best non-1911 triggers. Echelon feels like my Hellcat's trigger and it's above average to be sure. Like the Echelon's optic mounting concept. End of day it's a 6 of one half dozen of the other situation.

[@criticalthinking3709]

Both appear to have significant muzzle flip. The Walther especially looks pretty snappy to me. I wonder how the PDP Pro Compact would compare? Anyones input is appreciated.

[@puma51921]

I have the compact. It is noticeable. I put I lighter recoil spring in the gun as others suggested. It made a noticeable difference. Now I love the gun. No reliability issues.

[@DS..69]

I disagree. I have the PDP compact. Its muzzle flip is no more or less then my Glock or Sigs I own. Did you put a steel guide rod in it?

[@scottsmith4710]

Justin, another great video buddy. I can’t wait until Sig finds your number again buddy.👍

[@ross_7751]

I think it would have been a better comparison had they both been full size or compact and not one of each. I also think the PDP F version has a grip thickness more in line with the Springfield. Great video though and a great pair of guns to compare.

[@chuckp4710]

THANK YOU for a very nice and informative video on these 2 fine pistols. Its really a shame that none of them ever offer these pistols with a "Crowned Match Grade Barrel". Everybody and their brother and their brothers 2nd & 3rd cousin always offer the same Ole Shit with a 1:10 Right Hand Twist.

[@oceaser6977]

I have a PDP and PDP Pro SD I also put about 200 rounds through a rented Echelon - I just wasn’t impressed. I’m not sure what all the hype is about with the Echelon as it was just ok

[@filthyvibes4768]

The echelon shoots flatter than the pdp. You must not be impressed by your own pdps either lol

[@oceaser6977]

@@filthyvibes4768 it does shoot a bit flatter. The pdp has stepped chambering and a chunky high slide so that expected. The PDP has a better trigger (IMO) and better ergonomics. It’s been super reliable and since I know how to hold a pistol the slightly higher recoil doesn’t bother me The PDap felt like a higher quality product in my hand

[@judahlion5826]

@@filthyvibes4768 We aren't talking about rifles here. Anyone who says that one pistol is a significantly flatter shooter than another is plainly delusional at best. There is no way that a bullet from the same caliber is going to have a consistently significant larger drop from one pistol to another within 25 yards. Just an idiotic statement

[@ronolson2024]

Since I tricked out my P10C with an HBI trigger, Lake L8ne mini comp, Dawson Precision fiber optic sights, & Talon grips I see no reason to buy another pistol which accomplishes the same thing. I did shoot the Echelon and hit every 8" Steel Target plate at 25 yards with the 1st mag never missing a shot, but I can also do that with my P10C. If you have any of these pistols, you have made the right choice!

[@Lakanen263]

The slide on the Walther looks big and blocky to me. Thanks for the video.

[@lessage760]

thank you ir great vidio and lineup do the taller sights on the pdp change the point of impact much from the stock sights

[@turtlemtb]

Just curious what ear protection you are using?

[@dieselwrench3621]

Great video as always 👍

[@808mckinley]

Enjoyed the video and understand this is your opinion, but coming from an armorer once you have a trigger reset there is no take up. Any take up is due to operator failure, and sadly its hard to do a fair comparison if one is stock and the other has modifications even if its the sights. Also shooting a compact VS a standard or full size makes a difference as well, due to barrel length, slide weight, grip size and so on. I would love to see you do a full size comparison of both without any aftermarket install, and a 3 shot triangulation comparison instead of 10 rounds. just my opinion on the matter, thank you for the video.

[@delewis4578]

Great review and comparison

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Thanks!

[@jordielees7808]

Great video! Just an option but facts & no hype.

[@donaldpotter3200]

Love my Echelon! Put on a Holosun 508t, Nightstick 550xl, and a Ndz stainless steel guide rod! Tack driver

[@KENAHIGHLANDER]

Were you able to find a holster?

[@donaldpotter3200]

I bought one locally. It’s a kydex holster and he heated it to accept the nightstick light I put on. It’s a pro carry. I don’t know where he bought those and I couldn’t find the same ones online

[@perrymiller1098]

👍. Nice review.

[@thompsonjerry3412]

The Eschelon brakes further back than the PDP, big hands would probably like PDP

[@TheAxe4Ever]

Yes, it’s true that a good quality modern pistol will be made to be more accurate than the shooter. But the two guns I’m personally more accurate with, especially with a string of fire like a Bill Drill, are my Walther PDP Full Size 5 inch and my Canik TP9 Elite Combat. I’m more accurate with those two than any of my others including my Glock 19 gen 3, my M&P 2.0 and my P320. I haven’t tried the Echelon though. I’d love to give it a shot

[@philliplatham4256]

Canik mags will work in the PDP

[@gutWrench9mm]

I love that

[@BA-oy9uo]

Would have been better to compare the PDP FS to the full sized echelon. This is not a fair apples to apples comparison.

[@timothywhitlow2004]

Nice video sir keep pushing videos out yes sir

[@MrZonacat1]

Entertaining and useful.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Glad you think so!

[@BB-yh5rd]

Dumb comment from the peanut gallery below but I like talking about pistols so I use youtube to write down my thoughts. I have a really dumb technique to test how naturally I can hold a pistol but the better I can execute the technique tends to show itself by how accurately I can shoot a pistol at 10-20 yards. I put the web of my thumb on the back of the pistol, release it by not touching any finger or thumb on the pistol and I extend my hand above my head to see if I can balance it just on the web of my thumb. Out of all of my pistols, and I have ... several plus because I love pistols go in this order, some I have more than one barrel length but that doesn't seem to affect how much time it takes me to accomplish full arm extension: 1. Walther PDP; 2. Canik Mete; 3. HK VP9; and 4. Glock 17. Those are all really close and each of them my best time is about 3 seconds. Hardest ones are my CZ 75 SP01 with no magazine but when I have a magazine in it balances well and shoots extremely well. Same goes for the Canik TP9 SFX. Strangely those are both competition pistols while the others are not. I guess my H&K VP9 Match is sort of a competition pistol which I love but it's not my personal fastest pistol.

[@justinh4393]

They’re both similar to me in that both the slides remind me of a Toblerone bar 🧐

[@pogeegitz]

The flavor is a bit off on both.

[@DS..69]

Glock is a blocky as they come. These are no more or less.

[@justinh4393]

It’s all Tupperware these days

[@bigmattus]

I have both

[@thomasbyrd-ik2fp]

People always say you can’t trust Springfield, but they never say why. Don’t know what they are talking about. By the way, good comparison 😎👍

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

They have plastic rings on their chests, attached to strings. They pull on it and then they repeat what they heard someone else say. They don't know why either, but they think it makes them sound cool.

[@dieselwrench3621]

@@JustinOpinionChannelYou are correct 👍

[@laurentnavarre9915]

Pistolet sae arrive en France annee 2024. Jai beretta 92x Performance acheté annee 2023, et un Walter pdp 4" acheté en 2024. Je peux comparer pdp vs 92x. 92x da metal TAN tres beau. Pdp mieux que glock 17. Striker. 92x le orix deux fois celui du pdp. Mais je suis content d'avoir les deux 😂.

[@BobMinsky]

J'ai essayé le beretta 92 à mon club, et j'ai adoré, je crois que je prefere les armes plus lourdes beretta, cz75 aux glock et autres poids plumes "modernes"

[@jimmyavery867]

What be the best guild rod spring for the pdp compact

[@stanleyhaller8991]

Have you done or could you do a springfield ecolon vs m&p 4.25 2.0 core

[@quasimongo410]

PDP is for unbiased people who want a modernized Glock, it's the ultimate duty pistol. CZ Shadow is for everyone else. All other pistols don not mattter. Even Staccatos are useless unless you want to flex with it. It's much less reliable over a CZ at a high cost of reliability. For rifles, you only need an AR. The gun world is simpler than most people think.

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

PDP by a long shot

[@justusbryant7366]

Yeaaa right. 😂

[@bboybrumley]

Walther looks cooler, Echelon shoots smoother.

[@johnlacasse8893]

Echelon is the 3rd most accurate 9 mm pistol I own... S&W Competitor and Pro Series pistols are the only 9's i own that are more accurate... I've shot Walther and Canik, both are nice, but neither is more accurate, at least for me, than my S&W's.

[@ibsrpage5798]

I noticed in the first shots from each pistol, you shot the Echelon quicker.

[@johnjones5631]

Walther

[@lf9207]

you shot Echelon flatter

[@judahlion5826]

We aren't talking about rifles here. Anyone who says that one pistol is a significantly flatter shooter than another is plainly delusional at best. There is no way that a bullet from the same caliber is going to have a consistently significant larger drop from one pistol to another within 25 yards. Just an idiotic statement

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

I believe the OP was referring to the muzzle rise during recoil. With handguns, this is typically how the word "flat" is used as an adjective. It has nothing to do with an arc of travel - which you correctly noted would be almost impossible to distinguish.

[@ruststar]

Great comparison video, I just have zero interest in either of those two pistols.