Springfield Prodigy 9lb Spring Good Enough

[@tomlongbeard6071]

Keep up the great vids! You’re gonna become somebody.

[@nobodytraining]

Thanks, Tom! Not sure I can become Somebody after being Nobody. ‘Somebody’ has a ring of credibility to it and that’s just not my style 🤣

[@chris3M2C]

FYI, 1911 cycles in .05-.06. The fastest trigger fingers in competition can pull off .09 splits with an open gun. The issue with any 1911 style gun not pushing a round into the chamber is usually magazine related. Go look at the Atlas tuning videos. Magazine tuning is a thing for 1911 double stack style firearms, so most of the people that came from other platforms don't understand this. Using a stronger spring is probably fixing the symptom, not the problem. I've been shooting 1911 and 1911 double stacks in competition for over 30 years, but I too am nobody....lol I like your channel.

[@nobodytraining]

I actually bought the mag tool from atlas in case I needed it…haven’t had to yet. Only issue with 2 of my mags were burrs on the feed lips causing first rnd feed issue. I 100% agree that a stronger recoil spring could overcompensate for other issues. I’m new to the platform so please put in your .02 when ever you can. Thanks for the good comment and watching!

[@chriss7991]

@@nobodytraining Chris 2A is 100% correct. Nobody on KZbin is out running the trigger on these guns. That being said, the factory trigger is pretty crappy.

[@nobodytraining]

It is pretty bad. Been happy with the EGW hammer/sear. World of difference!

[@eddiearchuleta615]

The 9lb is perfect that’s what makes them so smooth and flat shooting after a good break in or polish the pistol is flawless

[@Bryan-1689]

I put the 12# recoil spring in mine and have new Main Spring on order to replace the 25# main spring with a 19# main spring to see what happens.

[@nobodytraining]

Cool beans, Brian! Follow up report will be appreciated!

[@matthewvolpe7515]

I did the 12# and disconnector as well, but haven’t fired since changing the spring. Let me know how you like it.

[@Bryan-1689]

Yeah, I will do that, the main spring is shipped and should get it in the next couple days. Hopefully I have it before Friday so I can go to the range in the afternoon and give it a test run. Will let you all know the outcome.

[@matthewvolpe7515]

@@Bryan-1689 appreciate that!

[@bigshoe84]

@@Bryan-1689 How did the 19# spring work out?

[@TheAmerican1963]

LOL ....... I'm new to my Prodigy but I do that every once in awhile by not resetting the trigger thinking slide didn't lock back ....... 😞

[@Dlust88]

I ran a 12lbs wilson spring, had issues with cci blazer. Brass was only kicking out 1-2 ft away. And sometimes failure to eject. With the 9 lbs spring it was still only 2-3ft away. With other ammo the 12 and 9 lbs spring, i would get 6-7 ft of brass ejection. I settled on a 10lbs spring. Good ejection. 0 failures.

[@nobodytraining]

Super weird, TMH. But sounds like you have it solved. My gut tells me that you may want to look at the extractor also. Having a 9lb should have ‘performed’ like the 10, unless it was binding up in the slide. Something feels off to me, but I’m not there seeing what you are seeing and there is something to be said for letting it ride if it’s working now! Thanks for reporting in and keep us posted if things change

[@YouDontKnowMe2011.9]

Just FYI, Springfield has changed the spring weight to 10 pound, so it was probably an issue.

[@nobodytraining]

Thanks for the update on that! I wasn’t aware. Do you know if they kept the mainspring the same?

[@andrewlemoine5709]

Atlas trigger and egw ignition kit. I have my trigger set to about 2.6lbs. Any lower just induces hammer follow. You can run in crazy fast after tunning your over and pre travel.

[@nobodytraining]

What trigger length are you running, Andrew? I was thinking of running a Mid at some point but hesitant because I don’t want to get the wrong size. The EGW is a must!

[@andrewlemoine5709]

@@nobodytraining I thought I had replied to this. Anyway the short trigger is going to be geared to smaller frame people and the average woman. Large is gonna be for Hickok45 or Shaq sized hands. Medium will be for the average person. Atlas has a few videos on trigger sizing. They also have some videos on tuning it. Not hard once you have a good understanding on how the spring operates. Its also time consuming but the end result is incredible. If you need a walk through let me know.

[@nobodytraining]

@@andrewlemoine5709 no worries. I’m cursed with stubby fingers so I’ve been hesitant to get a trigger. But figured most triggers are probably medium and I can do that all day. I’ll rewatch the vids and get one. And I’ll definitely hit you up if I run into any problems!

[@chriss7991]

My trigger is a consistant 1lb 7oz, no hammer follow whatsoever. It's in how the parts are stoned. Not just spring pressure.

[@nobodytraining]

I really like mine 3.5 to 4.5 that way it “feels” consistent across most of the platforms I like to shoot.

[@matthewvolpe7515]

You trying to make me regret switching to the 12 lb? I appreciate your work and insight!!! Bottom line, the humble feedback matters. I could be mistaken, but the majority of people that have had issues appear to not run the gun wet or don’t consider the break in period. I could be mistaken, or just lucky not to have run into the same issues.

[@nobodytraining]

I did this just to mess with you, Matthew!

[@matthewvolpe7515]

@@nobodytraining I knew it! In your defense, I commented before I finished the video where you mentioned the 12# spring, so no harm done!

[@VictorSilva-rq4kz]

You need to state what ammo you are using. I can do this also with my Prodigy DS 5 if I use Winchester NATO 9mm 124 grain. If I use 115 grain, I get 2 to 3 failure to go into battery. The trigger reset is pretty bad and need improvement.

[@nobodytraining]

I appreciate the constructive feed back. I was using pmc 115gr

[@TheBlackProductions3]

Disconnect is the problem, not the ammo

[@SeanHannon]

I run a 9lb and sometimes 7lb in my 9mm 1911. No issues with FMJ. If I carry it I put a 10lb or 12lb spring.

[@Yahweh-Chase-Bella]

Anyone interested in a shield plus performance center ported barrel with the red dot, has about 400 rounds on it so far. Looking to connect with a buyer works out better for both involved

[@catalinov6198]

Nice, more videos plz

[@nobodytraining]

More are on the way! Thanks for watching 👍

[@Blue-cq2hl]

Only issue I'd say I've had with it that's anything major is the slide hanging up on the disconnect while firing. Anyone can say break in all you want but even oiling out of the box it happened and this isn't a budget product so it shouldn't be a thing. Break in should apply to smoothness of it and all not it simply working. Haven't had feeding issues or anything either just the disconnect/slide. Cheap easy fix there with the spring but it also shouldn't be a thing really so hoping they sort the kinks out with that. I feel the spring makes it feel just a touch more snappy and resets a lot cleaner than the stock

[@nobodytraining]

Hey Blue! They do need to get their QC up to speed. Some folks are having some issues that shouldn’t even be a thing, like undersized chambers. I understand that a gun might need some fine tuning, regardless of expense. Not including the $3/4/5k custom guns. Some fine tuning should be expected, like you adjusting the spring. But sounds like she is eating ammo just fine! How much do you have down the pipe so far?

[@Blue-cq2hl]

@@nobodytraining I stopped until I got the new spring around 100-150 and sitting at around 700 or so total at this point. I stop counting when I'm having too much fun lol. I just had issues with it hanging up on the disconnect every few rounds before so I didn't want to have to deal with that for breaking in. If it were occasional it would've been different too. The only other issue has been sometimes the first round would hang a little if it wasn't seated completely back I assume because of how tight it is but the mag springs have loosened up a bit so that's not even a concern either. I at least try to keep a level head about it all and my issue I think shouldn't happen but is more annoying than truly major and it seemed to be pretty common among all the 5" models. Even compared it to a regular 1911 after I found out the issue which has a similar hang up but that spring just pushes through it. I was worried the 12lb spring would cause some other issue due to how fast it came out and gained popularity but so far haven't had anything bad that I can tell and if anything it's honestly made me like the feel even more.

[@nobodytraining]

@@Blue-cq2hl To me, the coolest part about this comment is that you adjusted/tuned the gun and you are now enjoying the fruits of your labors!

[@Blue-cq2hl]

@@nobodytraining I grew up with pc building and tweaking stuff there so it kind of stems from that lol. I like modifying things to suit me and just generally making them mine. I'm looking at building out a custom p320 over time too. I also might just be crazy for it too lol. I just don't want things to require it out of the box rather than function normally really.

[@nobodytraining]

@@Blue-cq2hl I get that. It’s nice to do it on your own terms rather than being forced to right off the bat. But just know that Nobody is proud of you! Lol

[@chgofirefighter]

Curious, since I can't locate the info. The Prodigy Commander size 4.25, what's the stock recoil spring?

[@nobodytraining]

I think I responded back on another thread but it is 12lb. Info on these Prodigy's has been hard to find. I wish Springfield would have listed the info in the manual.

[@chgofirefighter]

@@nobodytraining Thanks brother~ Keep up the good work!

[@jedeckert9525]

I bought a shot timer and used it yesterday for the first time. Apparently I’m pretty fast. I had .18-.19 splits, 6 shots @ 1.26 doing the bill drill. 5” prodigy with 11lb spring.

[@nobodytraining]

Very nice! Shot timers are very valuable when it comes to accessing your strengths and weaknesses. Now you need to see where you are from the draw

[@jedeckert9525]

@@nobodytraining my belt has the tier1 MSP owb so I can use any gun at the range. Not really a great holster for drawing quick but I’ll run it this weekend. Shot timers are a must for improving. Gives real stats and something to improve from.

[@nobodytraining]

Double Alpha has a 1911/2011 competition holster. It’s adjustable for different frame sizes and is fairly quick to adjust…if you are looking for a new holster. Let me know how the quick draw goes and have fun with the timer!

[@alexp9471]

What ragnarock holster do you have from trex that works with it the pistol?

[@nobodytraining]

It’s the Staccato holster. Not an exact match. Had to do some heat gun work to it. If you want to run a light, RDR Gear does a legit job modifying Safariland duty holsters to work with the Prodigy. I have one coming.

[@Citizen2ACitizenLLC]

Great vid..... keep going. Jus sub’d.

[@nobodytraining]

Thanks for the sub and for watching! I appreciate the encouragement and will do my best 👍

[@Citizen2ACitizenLLC]

@@nobodytraining yessir

[@dk-bo5si]

I never timed myself with 4.25 but when I was breaking in the prodigy with stock 9 lb spring, I didn't think I shot slower than my canik when mag dumping. I'm not good shooter by any means. I'm a beginner.

[@nobodytraining]

Don’t worry about being a beginner/new shooter. Just have purpose driven practices. Definitely, do not practice mag dumps like I did! But it is a good thing to know your splits when you are putting multiple rounds on target and when you are engaging multiple targets. Data when training is important. Keep shooting d k!

[@aarondbritt]

Is the stock 4.25 recoil spring 9 pounds? Thought I read it was 11 pounds?

[@nobodytraining]

425 is 12lbs and the 5” is 9lbs

[@aarondbritt]

@@nobodytraining Any chance you have a link or a PDF from Springfiled for this? Having a hard time tracking down an official data point for these...

[@nobodytraining]

@@aarondbritt I got the info when I called into customer service. I wish that they would have put spring weights in their manual but they didn't. Probably don't want people messing with the gun LOL

[@thebarefootadventurer8467]

Is the 9lb the one that comes with it stock?

[@nobodytraining]

Yes. The 5” has the 9lb and the 425 has the 12lb. Both have 20lb main springs if I’m not mistaken.

[@FreemanWithrow]

Learn to bump fire . I personally bump fire every weapon I own numerous time to see if it fails . Bump fired 40 rds through my prodigy bone stock with zero failure

[@AvantiusMaximus]

Which Ragnarok holster did you go with? I've been checking T-Rex Arms but they don't have anything for the Prodigy.

[@Bryan-1689]

I was wondering the same thing and contacted T-Rex and was told they do not make one for the Prodigy as well, wondering what Ragnarok he is using as well......

[@nobodytraining]

I took the chance that the Staccato holster would work. And for the most part it does. Few areas to work on the holster and it might “wear” more on the gun but that’s ok for me.

[@AvantiusMaximus]

@@nobodytraining right on; I had a feeling you went that route. I plan on getting one that works switch the X300.

[@King3star]

You have a brother in Skips Gunz. He'll get that Prodigy sing'n!

[@nobodytraining]

I always thought I had an evil twin out there somewhere…or was I the evil one? I could never keep that straight. Thanks for watching, King!

[@davidmcdonald3685]

Mine seems to be running perfect now that she’s broken in. The first 350rounds was pure frustration. The next 400 have been flawless. Knock on wood

[@nobodytraining]

Glad she is running! What issues were you having?

[@davidmcdonald3685]

Fail to go into battery. I’d have to bump the slide forward literally every time. Try that 350 times….

[@nobodytraining]

@@davidmcdonald3685 After 20-30 I would have stopped so you are much more dedicated/persistent than I! But I think you said it’s been going perfect since then

[@cryptidtacticalauxiliary]

I JUST GOT A 5” prodigy …..I LOVE THE FEEL…I’M PETRIFIED IT WON’T SHOOT WHEN I GET IT OUT …CAN A GOOD GUNSMITH MAKE IT SHOOT IF ITS NOT!?!?!?!?

[@nobodytraining]

First of all, I appreciate you watching the video. Now into the meat and potato’s! Can a good gunsmith make it run how it should? You bet they can. Would I send it to a gunsmith? No. Now there are several things behind this. If the work that is required is beyond what you are comfortable with or you just don’t know what’s causing the problem I would send it back to Springfield. I’ve talked to several who have done this and got the Prodigy back working fine…and it’s free. A gunsmith will charge you some $$$. I have nothing against gunsmiths and have utilized them in the past when something is beyond my skill level. Side note- Mark Novak of Anvil Gunsmithing is one of my favorite channels and does really cool stuff. If you are going to fix and upgrade parts on the Prodigy and it’s not in your wheelhouse then feel free to get it to a gunsmith or a custom shop. Petrified…Halloween is over my friend! Give it a good clean and lube and get out and shoot! Plenty of people have Prodigy’s that shoot fine out of the box or just need minor tuning that you can do (selfish plug- see some of my other vids ;) ). But regardless of any problem you might have, the folks at Springfield have been turning guns around in a couple of weeks (2-3). Hope that helps, CTA!

[@roul3688]

The 12# springs are under $15. Might be worth a try if anyone is having issues

[@nobodytraining]

Springs are cheap for sure, roul3688. Just my opinion, and what I’m trying to show, its supposedly designed to run with the 9 and if it isn’t working then there is something else wrong that needs to be tuned/fixed. The 12 could hide or overcompensate for minor problems. Just my opinion. I am by No means an expert. Just a dude posting stuff on the Tube lol. Thanks for watching!

[@roul3688]

@@nobodytraining I couldn’t agree more. I meant the issue you mentioned of outrunning the gun more specifically. A lot of people will add heavier springs to overcompensate for feeding issues but could lead to weaker extraction and ejection or prevent the slide from getting a full stroke.

[@nobodytraining]

@@roul3688 Now I’m tracking! Glad you explained. Thought you were heading in a different direction. We shouldn’t waste over compensating on springs anyway. Big trucks and sports cars are the acceptable method. 🤣

[@gentrydebbie1040]

The new 2024 prodigy comes with a 10LB spring . It must have been a Problem .

[@nobodytraining]

Reliability definitely went up with the heavier spring. It can run with a 9 but everything has to be working perfectly. And I appreciate you updating the info on the new version!

[@magdumpmonday]

won't shoot mine again until springfield sends my RMR plate. the cover plate keeps coming loose so won't loctite it since I am replacing. anyway after 250 rounds, the last 100 I shot were good to go. needs to shoot it a bunch more. I think I commented about this on one of your other vids sorry.

[@nobodytraining]

You might have but I miss comments and sometimes they all blend together. Isn’t the rmr plates schedule to come out later this month?

[@magdumpmonday]

@@nobodytraining I called them since the site still says due to ship October. one fella said mgmt was saying it would be more than likely Nov. another said it would be end of October. so that means hopefully November. I been working on my patience its a problem lol.

[@nobodytraining]

@@magdumpmonday LOL! Maybe you should take up fishing in the mean time...

[@magdumpmonday]

@@nobodytraining ha! I got this fishing pole from SA however the real is on backorder and the pole fell apart a few times but its pretty awesome!..

[@edwardsray7]

put a 17# main spring in it an you will be "very" happy

[@nobodytraining]

I’ve seen that people are putting 19s in. Haven’t heard, but also have looked, to see if anyone is going lighter. You have a 17?

[@edwardsray7]

@@nobodytraining check out this guy here on you tube: ChambersCustom...and watch his Mathematical review of the Prodigy. He goes into detail of the problems of the Prodigy. One main problem is the main spring is too stiff, slowing down the slide and letting it hit the extractor not letting the next round enter the chamber as it should. The 5" model also has an extremely tight chamber. His measurements give the story. EGW sells a lightening kit for the Prodigy.

[@nobodytraining]

Good vid for specs! Main thing to remember is that not everything he sees on that gun is indicative of other guns out there. Just like when I did the Making the Prod run vid my issues were not always what others were experiencing. But good to know what to look for for sure. And I’m not not saying that I have a kit from EGW…waiting to be installed. I’m not not saying that at all.

[@twistinprops604]

It's not the recoil spring...its the main spring thats way too strong. In ever single prodigy I've had my hands on...13 to be exact.

[@nobodytraining]

2 things: 1) The push to go to 12lb recoil spring to increase reliability in feeding/chambering was the intent of the vid. 2) Is the main spring too strong? Can it be tuned to cycle smoother with a 19lb? Sure it can. #10-8Performance put one in his and #EGW has their ignition kits with a 19. But with all that said, it still ran fine in its stock configuration. This isn’t an argument against what you are saying, Twistin’, just an argument that you don’t have to change the spring. And how have you been so lucky to be around 13 Prodigy’s?

[@richardadkins3602]

Been shooting for 50 years my spring is a 8lb so soft ...no it's not under sprung

[@nobodytraining]

100% agree, Richard! It’s a tuning issue on most guns that are having problems.

[@docholliday1588]

I don't think you can out run the cycling of a pistol. You are dead on about not trusting a fun gun or a so called range gun. Practice with the gun you carry at range, but don't carry the gun you have fun with at the range. Practicing with the same gun becomes second nature, people who can only afford one gun, are more proficient with it when they have to use it a stressful situation. Muscle memory is connected to your subconscious. The less you have to think about the faster you can process the situation. You can adapt to anything that doesn't work just perfect, and shoot it with a hi level of skill. A gun that always runs, is a gun you can trust, no matter how ugly, or inaccurate it is . The average gun fight is 7 yards, so they say. I would like to see you Practice drawing your gun while you are moving, and shooting while moving, a target that doesn't move, is a target. Don't be a target, start imprinting your mind with different scenarios. The one that puts shots on target first usually wins. A paper plate is a real world target in a gun fight at 5 to 12 yards, not a one inch circle. If you go back and watch old videos of gun fights you will see. People do some really stupid things under stress, drugs, emotional break down, you get my point. Practice instinctive shooting, no sights. That is when you will become fast in a real life and death situation. P.S. you remind me s little bit, like garth brooks, but you sure don't sing like him. Lol. Keep having fun.

[@nobodytraining]

I didn’t think I could outrun it either. But so many people were saying that the slide was sluggish with the 9lb so I thought that if that was true then it was a possibility to outrun. But it’s not. And don’t worry, Doc! Planning on other vids and they will have movement. I just need to knock the rust off and get some muscle memory back.

[@michaell397]

The history of real life gunfighters shows that they didn't dance or move. they stood their ground and put deliberate, accurate fire down range. The Late Bill Jordan of modern Gunfighter fame wrote a fine book on surviving gunfights. His most famous quote, "You can' t miss fast enough to win in a gun fight". The books title is IIRC, No second place winner. Or perhaps that was another quote in the book. You can indeed out run a 1911 not especially set up for ultimate speed. Jerry Mitchulic shows exactly how to do it. (yeah, yeah, I always miss spell his last name) I learned the technique years ago on with Ruger 10/22. It is so fast that a bystander cannot count the rounds. Sounds like a high rate fully automatic Arm. KnifeMaker

[@kbimanph]

over priced piece of crap in 9mm, Manufacturer just trying to make money on the 1911 design. The fact you can't right out of the box shoot to defend yourself says a lot about the gun.