Square Grinding Tutorial! How to Sharpen Chain with a Simington 451c

[@jeddwalters1986]

Man. Super cool to finally get to watch this, Jake... I gotta watch er again. GIGANTICALLY impressed by big Phil. Experience matters... in other words... what Phil said!

[@guiltyoftreesoneastsidetre4792]

Thanks Jed!

[@revvvrand]

Legend material

[@jeddwalters1986]

@@revvvrand 😂

[@helgerysland226]

Cool shop 🤘, been taking to Gordy in Instagram, really Nice guy😊.

[@ToreDL87]

@@GreatLakesLogger Yeah the double bevel file is larger, sturdier and easier to use, I'd go for that when field-dressing a chisel chain.

[@garyhall8308]

This video just came to my attention. I am 10x more educated about chains and sharpening. Most people are not as thorough, complete and precise. Thank you.

[@Bob_Adkins]

Phil is an "optimizer", meaning that whatever he does, he will study it in the most minute detail and work out the best way to do it. When he first came on camera, I thought he appeared surprised about something, then I realized he had a chew under his lip. That always makes people look surprised for some reason. A++ for Phil as a teacher and truly an expert at his trade.

[@d3700]

Phil is a master craftsman. It's not about sharpening a chain. It's about making it even sharper. It's the "why" and the "what if". Unlike many "experts" that tell you how good they are, Phil doesn't need to do that. He is good and he knows it.

[@garybatch4102]

Big Phil is a chainsaw chain genius! I very much like the dichotomy between "the most OSHA-violating method" to grind out unwanted gullets vs. "wear your safety glasses" - couldn't agree more.

[@ryanstewart1521]

Gordys shop is my dream home, and Phil is a great teacher. This vid. really captivated my attention. Loggers are some of the nicest most humble people you will ever meet.

[@SerbanCMusca-ut8ny]

This is truly excellent. Big Phil should have his own yt chan, he really knows what he's talking about and he seems to be such a nice guy.

[@joshanacker6222]

Nice vid. Being in California I use www.baileysonline.com for most of my needs. But I also recently found Frawleys saw shop @ loggerchain.net The website is not the easiest to use but I have been very impressed with the customer service and speed of the free shipping. Both companies sell the triangle (six sided file) Thanks for the great content and keep up the good work!

[@khisnuaziz9821]

@@joshanacker6222 l ya HH Iiiiiiiknj‼️😘☹️😢☹️

[@SpiritOfDivineLight]

He's also an absolute hotty to match his genuine heart! What a beauty! 🙈🤩 Hook a sister up! Haha 😜

[@AnxiousTrap]

@@SpiritOfDivineLight 🤨He has a wife...

[@SpiritOfDivineLight]

@@AnxiousTrap How am I supposed to know that from watching this video!? There is a huge value which i pride myself in and that is that I will never be a home wrecker!

[@JonHammond81]

Phil is a great teacher.

[@MrSGL21]

yeah he is. he's articulate and reasonably educated with a good vocabulary. he takes the time to explain the how and the why at each step.

[@billhackley3540]

amazed at the lack of likes, retired from logging 4 years ago (almost 40 years at it) Phil has an excellent knowledge of chain performance

[@geriatricginger]

Dude's a helluva teacher! He not only teaches the 'how', but emphasizes the 'why'..

[@New.Adventures.Sailing]

One thing I've noticed watching this series with Jed and Phil is these guys are geniuses, they understand what's really going on here, in depth like no one I've seen. On the surface, you could dismiss them as "just a logger" but then you miss out on the pure wisdom and understanding these guys hold. True with anyone in the world, can't look at the outside, each person has depth in certain areas, you gotta dig. Keep it up. One more idea, it would be cool to get a closeup and super slo-mo on the chain cutting with the square vs round cuts so we can see what they are talking about.

[@michaeldougfir9807]

I enjoyed every bit of this video. And I have run square-ground chain. So this was very interesting. I am not an electric grinder guy. I use those nifty little things that Husqvarna and Jonsered sell. The ones with two rollers. For me it is the best sharpening job I have ever got. And I have been doing this and other chain saw work since the 1980s. And I also DO use the depth gauge guide. It's a tool for your benefit. I like what he said about filing the depth gauges first. At least he had good logic. This video was SO good I sent it to my brother. Thanks very much. Michael Dougfir.

[@matiasarieltorres]

It´s always great when you hear a person that know what he is talking about.

[@guiltyoftreesoneastsidetre4792]

Thanks a bunch!

[@Robbie..Ha-Navi]

sorry @@guiltyoftreesoneastsidetre4792 I think he was talking about Big Phil . DWL

[@spoonz1065]

When someone says "timber cutter" big phil in that shirt is imprinted what I think of. Same as lumberjacks in a cheque red shirt :D

[@Comp670]

Perfect timing for this! I just scored a Simington grinder off craigslist a few weeks ago. Ground a few chains just playing with it and wow do they cut better but I for sure have a ton to learn and this vid helps ALOT. Its an older model that does not have all the adjustments the newer ones do but for me it will work fine. Never planned on getting into saws this deep but I bought a Woodmizer hyd sawmill and a Wolferidge commercial splitter and now I'm cutting wood most days so learning this stuff is a huge help. Bought a muffler from West Coast saw too and it helped alot. Thanks for all the info!! Need to come down to West Coast Saw and get a few more mufflers for my other saws soon. I'm just up on Camano Island.

[@deesestrees]

Excellent. I thought I was ready for one of the square grinders! Now I can buy one, and send it straight to big Phil with a note “I apologize for thinking I could do this, please forgive me.” Seriously though my favorite video yet.

[@TheRoamingLions]

You’re my hero man. You’re super humble and never talk down to anyone. And for that reason I’m gonna subscribe and continue to watch all your stuff. Also love the self deprecation.

[@larryolson397]

Big Phil is a massive book of knowledge. Needs to put his own stuff out there. Love this channel, boys.

[@julesthemachinist893]

At 17:08 Phil explains the damage on the sharpend corner with the depth gauge ! Thank you ! I have always thought the same thing ! You guys are awsome ! 🪓 🪓🔥

[@mountainman9024]

Awesome video guys !! Many people think I'm nuts when I say a stock chain cuts like a bag of spuds . Till they see me working and how productive I can be over a day . I even square file my climbing saw too. Leaves a nice cut when pruneing. I only hand file but funnily enough I sharpen pretty close the same angles as Phil . He's a wealth of knowledge great to have people like that around!

[@05xlt]

“Down to the gnats ass” lol. Nothing better than a guy with a bunch of good expressions! Phil is awesome!

[@revo7721]

Big Phil doesn’t have to act like a badass cause he is a badass! Great info!

[@robertshoemaker6204]

So right Madsen's is old school...talk to real person and done with paperwork...that's why I try to do all my logging purchases through them. Great video...thank you Phil....Shoe

[@woodpurposedmechanic8299]

New to your channel and not sure how I found it. I'm not a timber guy at all. Your videos are very well edited, your content is well organized and you have a great camera presence. Right now I know way more about chainsaws and tree trimming than I'll ever need. My retirement hobby has been woodworking and I use a lot of old school hand tools like planes and chisels. I learned as a woodworker that when you lean how to sharpen tools your life completely changes. So many of the same principles that apply to old school hand tools like angles and edges apply to chainsaw teeth as well.

[@guiltyoftreesoneastsidetre4792]

Thanks so much!

[@steppoffaith8426]

This is the first person other than me that knows exactly what and why he does things!! I can tune a chain to any situation,tree species, saw size to get top cutting performance!!!! He is dead on!!!!! All these big You Tubers, Buckin, Cottontop, Ironhorse,that think or assume they are factual are cluless!!!!

[@TheMatthewKline]

Dang man. Need a guy like Phil down the street. Gonna have to watch this multiple times to get all the knowledge

[@1d1hamby]

I have heard so many ways of adjusting rakers. Some use two teeth to adjust the height, the way he did, and some use only the one cutter. Some use the angle of the tooth to the raker and some the actual height of the raker to the working corner. There are probably more. You could do a whole series of videos on just the rakers and how the different ways of adjusting them works in the wood and in the field. Not to mention shaping the rakers or their names.

[@andyadams1832]

Hey Jake and Phil, thank u for this video on sharpening chains, I really enjoyed it and got a lot from it . Phil took his time to explain each step in the process which was very helpful to me. Hope u can do more. Andy

[@bradhartmeister2717]

Look up "guilty of treason" hake has a new channel he is no longer at Eastside

[@tazblink]

I would have liked to see Phil make the adjustments on the grinder to keep from nicking the lower drive link. That fine tuning of the machine to get the sharp angles correct and not nick the lower links would be very valuable to someone new to power grinding squire cut chain. I remember Jed said as you hand "sharpen grind" you want to just nick that lower part also, so is it possible to power grind squire cut without touching the lower link? Anyway wonderful video thanks so much for sharing I really enjoyed it.

[@jeffreychreston7604]

Watch the last segment where they talk about gullet removal. You can see the chain he uses with the large gullet to be removed does not have the grinding wheel strikes in the chain chassis. So it can be done, I just don't know how with that grinder set up they are using.... I too would like Phil walk us through the set up. Seems like a flat segmented chain holder might be the ticket?

[@Robbie..Ha-Navi]

THIS IS MY FAVORITE VIDEO. Big Phil is way to cool

[@jeffreyrubish347]

This is a lot more complicated than I realized. Thanks for the tutorial.

[@deliverybryan1138]

Madsen's is my favorite saw shop ! When I go visit them we talk good things about you and Gordy !

[@bobbelsekwol]

Just a master of the chain, that's all. All it takes is years of dedicated learning and experience. I'm in awe of his knowledge.

[@getbackorbekilledsawmill8916]

Bout the best overall video on square grinding chain I've found . Thanks fellas. I just got myself one of them grinders and definitely needed some help in getting it setup. Sharpened some chains and let me tell you they definitely sling the chips! Take care!

[@1d1hamby]

I love how he points out the way you start using the saw without it warming up first. We all know how bad it is and yet we all do it.

[@CarbonRevo91]

Mmm...no we all don’t do it. First start up of the day and anything past sitting for 20 minutes, I’ll let it idle 30-60 seconds first. Even my weed eater and blower get treated that way...every gas engine does actually.

[@maddog7771]

It’s actually critical for small engines especially 2strokes to warm up first since the cylinder heads aren’t symmetrical thus warm up at different rates. Not allowing a small engine to warm up and cool down at idle properly will reduce the lifespan of said engines. My boss will pull you aside real quick if she sees you mistreat one of our small engines. Our tools are how we provide for our families so just like anything else, you take care of it and it’ll take care of you. Last thing I’d want is my saw crapping out on me when I’m in a tree or in the middle of a cut. 😝

[@Shawnf1977]

Please ask Phil to make a video of that 10 dollar part shaping the stone. Love to see him set that angle.

[@ToreDL87]

Well it probably doesn't set the angle EXACTLY, but gets it close enough that he's not wearing out 30 diamonds cutters just rough shaping it.

[@DaveyBlue32]

Just wanna say “awesome job there fellas!”... I never run my flat files over my rake gauge... I just use it to gauge the height and pick it up as I go... keeps it true for a very long time. Big Phil is all business there in the end on the 660??? I but the old boys that were running off at the gums and started that tussle...had thought that they caught a grizzly bear.... Phil’s a lanky fella but you can tell from the way he cuts with the big saw that’s he’s strong as an ox! Another fantastically funny and super informative video....man! O...you’re an arborist....sorry, I don’t sell electric saw’s!” Is totally hilarious!!!!😂😂😂😂✋😊

[@1d1hamby]

The blank stare @4:12 was hilarious. 😂

[@Availablehandle-i1k]

Totally looked like a Sasquatch caught crossing the trail

[@1d1hamby]

Even got a great lesson in dressing grinding wheels. There are many videos that are done on different materials and ways of dressing grinding wheels. I personally like a harder or finer grinding wheel. You even get a lesson on starting a grinding wheel.

[@oldyankeespeedco]

Listening to Big Phil talk about saws is like listening to Max Schaaf talk about motorcycles.. 🙌🏽

[@JimTheHunt]

Phil is a stud... You can tell he has been there and done it.

[@JG54206]

Just wanna say I love your channel. I’m not a tree guy or timber cutter, in an east coast firewood user and I like chainsaws. Your channel is awesome and very informative. Would love a video of your saw use technique, things like making sure your bar is level and on a good plane, making sure vote cuts or back cuts are nice and level. I know technique is something that one develops on their own but I would just like some pointers on making sure your cuts are how you want them

[@amishmafialancasteramos6382]

Just amazed at the knowledge needed. So much more complicated than I thought. That's a lot of information for a new guy.

[@jbnavynuke1]

As someone who has done extensive dressing, I would highly recommend a micrometer on the dresser. Just makes it a little quicker. Make contact then take maybe half a thousandth at a time off the stone, until you have a uniform sound when you run the dresser across the stone.

[@victor-emmanuel7485]

Been following Phil on instagram for a long long time now... great to see him on here. What a cool character 👍

[@Helofelokids]

I sharpen knives, the dude knows his shit. I'll take a full flat grind over a hollow grind any day. I don't know dick about chainsaws...I live on a goddamn boat! the two don't mix! But I still found this very fun and interesting. It's cool to hear about the fine points of someone else's craft.

[@Trump985]

I had no idea about any of this. I always ran the chain out of the box and sharpened it with a round file and filed the rakers after sharpening this is great information thanks for the video👍

[@brianquigley7336]

Been cuttin for 45 years. Gotta Silvey Pro Sharp about 25 years ago. Does a great job. Luv it. Also have the Silvey raker grinder. Don't even screw with round grind. But, you gotta be in clean wood.

[@kcender3771]

This is the BEST grind video I have ever seen. Thank you!

[@shanek6582]

My neighbor had 8 “old” chains he gave me and they actually fit my big stihl with 20” bar, he used to have a saw and when the blade got dull he just bought a new one lol. I took them to the saw shop and got them all sharpened. For $40 I got 8 almost new chains! (Probably not a big saw compared to what you guys use.

[@t.r.766]

I’ve got $3,000. Hearing aids cause I did like the logger in my youth. Good to see you wearing your helmet and muffs..Loved it when he said your just taking a Nats as* off..My Stihl bench grinder has been in service for 50 years i use a carborundum blade they are not cheep but last and sharpen much longer. You just need the different wheel sizes for the 404 chain and the 50 gauge. I got an 070AV that Phil might 👍

[@BenC20B]

Thanks for another great video. I’ve been hoping you would do a follow up on the square filing since the video with Jed. Love what you guys do. Keep up the great work.

[@JustSendItSaws]

Great video Jake! Thanks to Big Phil for his time and expertise as well!

[@normfergus8472]

He is eloquent and appears extremely knowledgable

[@kevinklingner3098]

That was the best tutorial I have ever listen ed to on chain sharpening and sharpener s.Defineately a must.

[@davidlanham5639]

Many thanks for the video. I just received my Simington 451C grinder which came with no instructions. Time to sharpen chains. Hopefully it goes well. I'm leaving the dressing angles stock / as shipped for now until I understand all of this.

[@howarddavidiii6171]

Thanks so much for showing us how this is done. Hats off to both of you great questions and explanations. Very informative.

[@Dibelchii300]

I'm a fellow wood butcher from Northern Arizona and a huge fan of your channel. I've enjoyed and learned alot from watching your videos. Keep them coming and check you later.

[@jakobffrechette7336]

Hi I am 13 and my Neighbor has a tree service and I go with him a lot and I learned a ton from him you are just like him I love you vids keep it up

[@chriselectric1116]

yep, phil needs a channel too, i never new someone could be SO knowledgeable on grinding chain, i have a new found respect for all this stuff now, this video is so cool THE BEST MAN,. THANKS....

[@Bret4207]

That is the cleanest garage/saw shop I've ever seen. Antiseptic is the word that comes to mind! I was interested in what a square grind was glad I watched. Wonder how it holds up in eastern hardwoods like Hard Maple and Iron Wood?

[@michaelbyrnes1822]

A tip from Mickey Byrnes from Affordable Tree Service North. I saved many pines from the beetles here in Colorado. For every one with pine trees. If you water a beetle tree early after being hit, it can fend for itself. Just take the drought fom 1 tree at a time.

[@3bikesfly]

I do some milling and I use square ground chain, hands down a better grind smoother cut left behind and I have never timed the difference but it feels about one third faster. I use a granberg file guide for touching up the chain on site, there is a video on KZbin showing how to set it up.

[@johnbowen2963]

BIG PHIL TALKS ALOT OF SENCE AND EXPLANES WELL ,

[@TomOpEigenHoutje]

Thanks a lot for taking the time to do this lots of great info

[@dukeflem]

Thanks! That was an outstanding explanation. I have three grinders but I have never done square grinding.

[@bearwoodcraft3591]

Big Phil miss seeing his Instagram videos always brightened my day I can’t remember why he left

[@Rankedl]

Man thank you for the videos on the filing, although I might not get a grinder im gonna try to square file a chain by hand and try to have my dad compare it with how he normally files his chains and hopefully teach him so that it will overall be more efficient when he’s cutting trees

[@jamieryksen7846]

What I just learned here, they wouldn’t even teach you in college lol. Thank you that’s excellent

[@mikecook2714]

Phil did a wonderful job!

[@scavuman]

Excellent Presentation, very well explained, and demonstrated !

[@joshpomponio2993]

Great vid helps a lot just started hand filing square chain really like way it cuts an it sims to stay sharper long than round think I’m gettin it figured out some lot more goin on there than u think thanks for vid an thank Phil he has a lot of good knowledge

[@motopumpkin3129]

This dude is an excellent teacher

[@oby-1607]

Big Phil sure knows how to sharpen a saw chain. Not too many science it out like he does.

[@RodneySizemore-uf4yu]

Answered all my questions, thanks for the great content fellas, keep it up...

[@jeffprosser7856]

Man, i've been waiting for a good explanation on square cut. Thank you!

[@jakemorton521]

This guy is really frickin knowledgeable. Hollllllyyyyy! Great Video! Learned alot

[@dogleg6669]

Glad to see a video again. This was a good one 👍

[@mytech6779]

Cutter's supply in Enumclaw carries triangle filing tools. If they are still in business, I haven't been up there in years. I've seen some old timers using some rather slick triangle file guides that clamp on the bar, don't know the brands or seller though. Probably purchased 40-50 years ago.

[@1d1hamby]

Barkbox sounds great. 👍

[@Builtbybross]

This video helps out a lot, I have this same grinder and Phil really helped explain the how and why.

[@zsozso411]

I used a flat file, it worked a treat

[@scruffy6151]

Good information thank you. I always filed the rakers and shapen a new chain when i was cutting.

[@robertshoemaker6204]

Awesome that you, have a Simington Chisel grinder...haven't used much cuz didn't know how to set up....I hand file most my chain....killer looking shop...thank you

[@JDanielsOffGrid]

Phil is an excellent teacher. Good show.

[@madhatte73]

Madsen's are the best, you can also call Service Saw in Chehalis or Baileys in NorCal, or Woods in Sedro-Woolley/Longview or Phil's in Florence or Harbor Saw in Hoquiam, I"m sure there are more but those are the shops I've dealt with and can recommend

[@1d1hamby]

Now I have to go and check out all these places. Thanks for the list.

[@guiltyoftreesoneastsidetre4792]

Thanks!

[@ridefast2006]

Wish that was a central PA list.... Ed’s, Larry’s, and Daves saw shops are what I have local tbh I use a local hardware store for most of my Stihl supplies and repairs

[@ridefast2006]

Guilty of Treeson I would like to reach out to you about an idea that this video sparked about quality control of chains I believe there may be a better and new way to produce a higher quality product

[@madhatte73]

@@guiltyoftreesoneastsidetre4792 Yer welcome!

[@bigjethro1975]

Thank you to you and your friends for the information you are putting out. Learning a lot more than what I thought I knew about saws, chains and sharpening.

[@ridefast2006]

Great thanks to this I’m going to be late for work! Good thing I work for myself the trees won’t complain that I’m late.... If you guys want to come out to the east coast and cut some hardwood I’m on a large trac of prime timber in N central PA I cut for the mill that owns the property right next to my house! I grew up playing on the land and am honored to select cut so if your interested come on out and play! I’m a beginner only been cutting commercial since February I learn something new every day

[@1d1hamby]

Thanks for the invitation, it would be really interesting if you set up a camera and video some of what you do. Stay safe and keep up the great work.

[@ridefast2006]

d hamby I will work on getting a video put together it may take a few weeks I have never published anything before. A little background I’m normally a tugboat capt but since the big crash in January I have been working as a subcontractor cutting timber for a lumber mill that owns the property around my house. I’m new to felling timber and have watched a bunch of videos to learn more techniques too work safer and more proficiently. Your video’s are very informative and I would be honored to spend some time killing trees with true professionals!

[@1d1hamby]

@@ridefast2006, showing the mistakes along with your successes just means you're comfortable with who you are and don't need to concern yourself with others unkind words. Just stay safe and keep up the good work.

[@roberthaslup9556]

This guy is so full of knowledge

[@davidsawmandave8731]

I tell ya , the degree he uses in teaching and the steps in setting up the grinder , when he retires and opens up that small engine shop , I wanna know the name of it , because that's where I would like to do business, very well done video I remember shopping at madsens years ago and I bought the silvey round grinder and always wanted the square machine , I am having regrets not buying one from silvey !!! But this new simmington seems nice and now baileys has that sophisticated T&S model , not sure which one would be the buy once cry once purchase for me , any input would be helpful

[@jakemesa3211]

Great video!!! I just made a couple videos on this exact same thing myself! Not as detailed though.. I do include a few other details that aren’t covered here. Big Phil knows what’s going on without a doubt! 👍👍👌

[@coolestguyontheplanet723]

Thanks Phil & gordy

[@JanYi2023]

This is the only video that some one knows what he is doing and what he is talking about, the majority of the similar videos are all made by clowns who have no clue at all and make fools of themselves. Thank you for taking the time to shoot this video.

[@MrReadandlearn]

Smart laid back guys live longer in the woods. Known quite a few that proved it the hard way. Gotta try the square cut.

[@ericnasset47]

Nice work. Didn’t expect to hear a Silverton reference 33:28

[@seaturkey5608]

They sell a square ground factory chain. Personally find it easier to follow a line thats already there

[@timrunkle5636]

Bullets and slugs are the most common metal hit while cutting timber. I've encountered it several times while cutting timber in the woods and it wreaks hell on the chain and it's parts! It amazes me that people don't think of that being the most common thing to experience like that.-- every single time any of us hunters miss a deer or animal while hunting,, where do you think the bullets and slugs end up??!! In TREES OF COURSE, (rarely in the ground unless shooting from a tree stand). Also, with the 10, 12, and 20 gauge rifled slugs like sabots, and rotty's ("rottweilers") we all use to deer hunt with, in southeastern Pennsylvania, out of scores of deer harvested, more than I can count, never, I mean NEVER, HAVE A LOCATED A SLUG IN THE DEER WHILE BUTCHERING THEM!! THAT MEANS VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEM ARE OUT THERE IN TREES TO THIS DAY!- just waiting to aggravate another logger or firewood harvester 1 day! 😉. Just goes with the territory like anything else.

[@woos31]

Ol Phil seems like a hoot! Neat guy and lots of knowledge bumpin around under that tin hat, definitely needs his own channel

[@idahorodgersusmc]

I just learned more about chainsaws in 30 minutes than I have in 30 years of cutting 10 cords a year of firewood

[@joeantolak4629]

“Just like a dirt bike” knew that guy is cool