20 Gauge Shotguns Explained

[@lbcsv]

"Take it away, Thomas." "Uhkay" Best part of the whole video!

[@seanfarrell5341]

It was funny a fuxk... Uhkay

[@chinov9445]

Uhkayyyy😂

[@randomizertotal5113]

My father would shoot only 20 gauge except for one duck gun. He said, for upland game like grouse and quail, a 20 was more than enough gun and that in fact it made hunting more challenging. He was the finest wing shot I've ever seen so he was intentionally handicapping himself. I wish he was still around so I could hunt with him again.

[@slayerj4637]

I'm an a American Duck hunter, I'm 5'9" I weigh 230lbs (i guess thats about 125kilos) very muscular and I use a 20 gauge aka 20 bore for everything from ducks, turkeys, deer, and hogs. If you can put the bead where it needs to be it can drop anything a 12 gauge can drop

[@Factory_Muff]

I’m 6’2, and 220 and still prefer my 20 gauge over 12. It’s probably because it’s my first gun and it’s what I learned on. Been my go to for 24 years now.

[@siciliancapeverde4646]

A lot of people scoff at the 20 ga, but one thing most people don’t realize, is that ballistically, a 20 ga has twice the power of a .44 magnum. I love my 10 and 12 ga guns, but I love my 20 ga guns also.

[@mchughcb]

Great video. Thanks for sharing. I love my 20g because its light. When you carry a 3.6kg drilling all day, a 2.8kg 20g is a blessing.

[@Rick-wn5oh]

Thomas has quite a varied vocabulary.

[@ChiefMoteef]

ok😂

[@seanfarrell5341]

Uhkay ... Funny

[@stiffler2k246]

loving how your vids are feeling more frequent, great content!

[@srspower]

I'm glad you like them Stefan :)

[@jadecooke2375]

Just back from a pheasant shoot where i opted to shoot my 20 gauge browning 525, delighted with her and this video confirms my experience. well done.

[@srspower]

I am tempted to get one now, maybe a nice AYA No.2 sidelock? Don't forget to sub :)

[@MrBigTexFyre]

“Take it away Thomas” . . .”Okay!”

[@seanfarrell5341]

Its not okay its uhkay

[@4wheelerwrangler]

Thanks for the insight. I own a 12gauge pump that I love but shooting slugs she lets me know Im alive, and it shows the next morning but the crazy thing is I can't wait to do it all again even knowing she is going to kick the crap out of my shoulder. I just purchased a20 gauge SxS can't wait for it to come in, and see the difference of recoil. Not saying I'm putting my hard hitting 12gauge away, want to try the 20gauge and add to my collection.

[@BUSHCRAPPING]

really effective way to show pattern it was showing up very well.

[@srspower]

Yes it's a bit of a faff to make the targets though!

[@medievalady2010]

Great content and comparison video. As a women I wanted a versatile light shotgun that can do it all because I'm starting out and I want to be able to hunt a variety of game, maybe even deer. Birds and active small game field hunting are my main interest. A .410 isn't enough so I went for the 20 gauge. Hopefully the recoil isn't going to be too much to handle.

[@michaeldelrossi4487]

Go for a 20 gauge semi automatic gas operated Shotgun and the recoil is a breeze to handle! Bh

[@medievalady2010]

@@michaeldelrossi4487 I don't think we have gaz operated shotguns in Canada 😅🤔. I went shooting with my newly purchased single shot on the range with bore shots. After 3 shots (even with towel on shoulder) I was done lol. I'm not liking it sadly...

[@Mr_Double_U]

Great video guys. Absolutely love the Argos catalogue depth test. Genius idea!

[@srspower]

Yes it is essentially hobo ballistic gel :)

[@bradrook3919]

The 20 Guage (Bore) is my favorite shotgun for birds...would have been helpful to know what choke they were using for the tests

[@eduardogonzalez1123]

They’re using modified choke for each of them

[@rsturbo6958]

Good video! Been looking forward to this one. You would definitely consider a 20 gauge now.

[@srspower]

Maybe as a nice quality side by side.

[@williamhay7745]

I'm young so I stuck to the 410 for 2 years but where I'm from 410 rounds got expensive so I'm sticking to 20

[@jeffreese4194]

I've used 12ga all my life for long range and still do but recently came into a light 20ga. Now I like it better for rabbit hunting. Only problem is that the barrel is sawed off, no choke 😔

[@regsparkes6507]

I am pleasantly surprised that my 'like' of the 20 gauge ( bore ) has been redeemed, it would seem. Cheers and thanks for this video.

[@HALWG51]

The only shotgun my father ever used was a Remington Model 17, which of course was only made in 20 gauge. He used it for all of his shotgun hunting.

[@skatnatter8293]

Got a remington 870 20 gauge over 30 years ago, it's killed over 100 deer (whitetail) , just #3 buck it's not as gnarly as a 12 BUT, never underestimate a 20

[@Garth73]

Here in Alberta Canada most use 12 on Canadian geese but lots use a 20 without an issue.

[@MRD765]

hi, been a subscriber for several years and live very locally to you , love your decoying vids. been a shooter all my life and am bringing my kids up with shooting, airguns and .410 mainly. I wondered if Thomas had sold his 20 bore yet as I would be very interested in it for their next step in shooting. we do share one of our pigeon permissions with you and are all subscribers and I've been thinking of getting a 20 bore recently. hope he hasn't sold it yet. cheers.

[@srspower]

Interesting! He hasn't sold it yet if you PM me on the facebook group I can get him to make contact if he's still selling it.

[@4gauge10]

The 12 gauge has a archilles heel that's very hard to reinforce,the problem with a 12 gauge is the fact that you cannot use slower burning powders in the 12 ga. like you can in the 20 bore can,this is due mainly to the smaller bores breech,to keep breech pressures in the 8,500-11,500 P.S.I.range,the 12 ga.has to have faster burning powders due to the larger chambering.(only in 1-ounce to 1-1/8 ounce loads,in heavier payloads,the slower burning powders can be used in the 12 bore,1-1/4 ounce and heavier loads of shot) Since about 90%+of ALL shooting will be done with an 1-ounce of shot,the 20 bore makes a lot more sense in general.

[@moeshipley4170]

Great video, Sam. You should do a three-gun comparison of the 12, 16 and 20-bore guns. I have a very old Remington 870 WIngmaster in 16-gauge that was deadly on doves in Hawaii. Although I have shotguns in all three gauges, the 16 will always be a favorite. It throws almost as much #8 as the 12-bore, but is much easier on the shoulder.

[@srspower]

My brother used to shoot a 16 bore and he loved it, I would need to get hold of one to do a test though.

[@moeshipley4170]

I think you'll like it when you do! At one time it was a very popular bore here in the U.S., but was shoved aside by the 20-gauge magnum. It's been regaining some popularity over here now--nostalgia perhaps?

[@funboyj1m]

Great work again! And i have always been taught that 20bore pattern slightly tighter! The fact they are lighter makes them perfect for walked up days! Great work and look forward to future videos!!

[@srspower]

Yes I suppose you might expect a better pattern but I didn't expect them to be equally powerful to the same load for the twelve whilst having much less recoil.

[@jeffreylynnpease]

I have a .22mag/20ga o/u. I love it. had it many years and have seen the effectiveness of both

[@caseymelick8023]

Great video thank you. I wish I would have seen this sooner.

[@timward8335]

this season I have been picking up 6 days a week on a large local shoot and I have now noticed more Guns are using 20 bore now than 12s. I have been using my 16 bore this season patterns really well and very hard hitting light gun. the boss shoots 28 bores. it is definitely a trend now older gentlemen are using the smaller calibres for lots of reasons. I have shot crows this season with my nephews 410 over decoys to great effect lol. keep up the good work cheers

[@srspower]

The twenty certainly seems to offer the same in patterning and power as the 12 bore but the cartridges are a lot more expensive!

[@seamac7966]

I use a 20ga for all my small game hunting and only use a 12ga for waterfowl and bear protection here in the Northwest Territories of Canada.

[@juliusfuglsang7602]

Well done on the video. Nice too see that you take the comments down below seriecly. Great job!!! ;)

[@srspower]

Thanks for watching :)

[@arthurbradshaw7035]

Just subscribed to your channel, first time I've seen this on KZbin. I think I'm going to enjoy it.

[@srspower]

I hope so :)

[@tobzz7910]

i Have that exact same gun! best little 20 bore for the price!!

[@tobzz7910]

the lever goes further than expected to pull back the safety catch ant to cock both pins all the way not half the way i have it 3/4 and full and find it takes high birds as well as a 12 bore

[@tobzz7910]

you can find out the chockes by pulling back the lever underneath it are stars they configure to the chockes

[@siciliancapeverde4646]

Great video as usual brother. Keep'em coming. God speed

[@srspower]

Thanks for watching Joe :)

[@seanfarrell5341]

God speed where exactly

[@flairball]

Range and power have nothing to do with bore/gauge, and everything to do with the size of shot and the powder charge behind it. So, 32 grams of #5 will have the same range and down range energy whether shot out of both a 12 and a 20, provided they have the same powder charge.

[@Kingcrosmere]

But the thing is though the 12gauge has a bigger shot pattern and that could be better really, it means you have a biggger killing area, and are able to at least damage or kill anything easier.

[@srspower]

THat's true but then if you are shooting well it shouldn't make a difference.

[@michaelparker7467]

It just means one has better range. If you want a tighter spread means wider at more range

[@jeffreylynnpease]

it looked to me that the 20 did better for pattern but penetrating probably goes to 12

[@CandidZulu]

what kind of paper is that? what did Mike Yardly say that was uncouth? what brand shotgun was this 20 bore?

[@dwcarc]

Seems to me to be a matter of the right choke for the load which may be different for each

[@struancoyle4866]

That was a great vid! Like this style of vid too.

[@srspower]

Thanks for watching :)

[@thomasmarshall5082]

This was a really useful video, I currently have quite a heavy berretta sporting 12G shotgun but most of my shooting is rough shooting, so isn't ideal, hence I am planning on getting a light and cheap second gun. I can't decide whether to get a semi-auto, side by side or 20 o/u....

[@srspower]

I'm tempted by a 20 bore side by side now, I think I have some saving up to do!

[@austinwolfe8481]

How do you make those shoot and see targets. Do a video on making one

[@Built4Track]

Bought the missus a .410 o/u to get her into shooting. She started enjoying it but was worried about 12g recoil so I've bought her a 12g semi now which she seems to get on with. I looked at 20s but couldn't justify the cost of them!

[@srspower]

It depends what you go for I guess, 20 bore carts are certainly pricey though.

[@Built4Track]

srspower maybe it's more the availability of cheaper 20s (guns not cartridges) but you can just get a better 12 for the same money!

[@elsart0]

Easy questions (even if from abroad ;) ) - how much (roughly %) do the 20 cartridges cost more than the same load 12? - are there for the 20 the same infinite loads choices as for the 12? Thanks and keep doing nice videos as this! SARTo

[@srspower]

***** Well with the cartridges tested here they were about the same proice but that's only because there were expensive ELEY vip carts. Normally for a box of 12ga that you pay £5 for you would expect to pay £8 for 20ga.

[@jellybryce7742]

Thomas is a good bloke.

[@srspower]

He is, it was good to get him in a video again :)

[@deeplorable1541]

I just subscribed...... “More Take it away Thomas” need to get Thomas a Ghillie suit

[@micstica]

Oh lord help me. Take it away Thomas, I thought that would turn into a Monty Python routine, OK!

[@jeffwest9195]

Very good video

[@kingduckford]

Done a lot of small game killing with my Mossberg 500 in 20. I will say though you are better off with the heavier loads to do proper hunting, and 3 inch magnum was preferred for a lot of longer shots on larger small game, as well as bigger birds. I prefer American #4 and #2 birdshot, so the payload weight was always a a concern with th3 20, but it did work. Lot of my friends still prefer it for clay shooting because the youth gun is so quick and light. Its always been a fun bit of theory to talk about, which is the best versatile cartridge, 12 bore because it can be loaded down, or 20 3 inch magnum because it can be loaded up? There are established handloads putting the 20 into the 1 1/4 ounce lead load range, which can indeed be used fora great deal of ethical hunting. The 12 of course has good light target loads for your own making as well as good factory loads. I've heard some people putting away their old 12 bore 2 3/4 guns away in favor of a smaller 20 bore 3 inch magnum because of all the reasons you mentioned, especially as people get older. I forget the laws in Europe about non toxic, but that's where the 20 seems to start coming apart. Upland lead, the 20 will do almost anyone for any reason; but the waterfowl's steel loads can't find enough space, and the larger steel shot sizes don't pattern as well, out of the 20. And, that's the other flaw in the 20's long game and versatility, it doesn't load well with as many sizes of buckshot, and just can't carry enough pellets of that either. But then again, its not exactly what its made for. Personally, I've chosen the path of 10 bore with extremely light loads because I prefer the heavier guns to begin with, and can pattern any size shot well. I can load "light" 1 1/4 ounce loads for clay busting. I dont' suppose you will do a 10 Gauge Explained video ever?

[@srspower]

What I was surprised by was how little recoil you could have from the 20 for the same load as shot with a 12. I guess with a tighter barrel you need less pressure, I'm no physicist!

[@kingduckford]

If you have those cut up examples, go ahead and weigh the wadding and powder charge. recoil is determined by the entire weight of ejecta, which includes those other things, especially the wad. Also, if that 20 is backbored, there will be blowby which will decrease power and recoil, especially with old fibre wads. Without a chrnograph, hard to tell if the power is the same as well. What are the gun weights?

[@srspower]

kingduckford The 12 bore is 8lbs not sure about the 20.

[@tianstn2891]

Does anyone know what choke they're using for the test?

[@jasonscott5932]

Thomas....man of few words

[@BJ-jb2ec]

Well done!

[@reeceswann4]

I prefer my 20g over my 12g any day

[@MAGirlable]

What's the gun in question? The 20g one. I didn't catch the make or model.

[@my7Cs]

check out Gough Thomas' book Shotguns and Cartridges for Game and Clays - which will give you all the answer to anything shotgun. I strongly suspect the choking explains the variances as the barrel diameter has very little effect in pattern thrown. I use a 20b with 32" barrel and its an utter joy and patterns a treat.

[@victorwaddell6530]

I agree . That 20ga patterned better . Thanks for posting . I have a 12ga . I gave my mom my 20ga for home defense ( were American ) . I'm trying to talk a coworker into buying a 20ga rather than a .410 bore for hunting . I'll show him this video . Best wishes from over the pond !

[@edmonddantes9975]

What kind of knife was that?

[@elliotfinley7567]

How is the gun floating and firing by itself?

[@josephmousley2394]

I have a 12 bore for game shooting but have recently had a problem with squirrels on our land and 12 bore seems overkill. I do not want to spend much on a 20 bore as I have the 12 for most of my shooting, however want a lighter and less calibrated gun for the vermin. Which would you recommend? Greatly informative video.

[@srspower]

A 20 bore is a great tool, you can pick up a gun like used in this video for less than £300.

[@RetroGamesCollector]

Great video. Thanks for the info :)

[@srspower]

Thanks for watching :)

[@lewisjohnwilliams7915]

Just wondering srspower did you ever play any sports when you were younger? And by the way great video!!!

[@srspower]

Yes I played rugby, cricket and was quite good at athletics, thanks for watching :)

[@elemental4rce]

you should do a video on cartridges and how the bigger channels tend to promote overly heavy loads and claim to shoot birds at some unimaginable distances with said cartridges. Basically asking for you to make a video on realistic shooting for the average person. I personally use #7 28g for almost everything and just 21gm for clays, which i consistently hit clays at 50-60yards. Just think a lot of people seem to think you need 36g #5's just to knock down a 30yd pheasant.

[@srspower]

Yeah it seems very common for people to get over excited during pheasant season and start buying loads way over the top for the job ie: 36 grams of number 5!

[@Starblind11]

I'd be keen to see a video on what the average shooter should expect in terms of distance and so on

[@Britishshooter]

Why would you be surprised that the tests show identical results with identical penetration? Same load same muzzle velocity, duh...That point made, as someone who does a lot of long range patterning with both 12 and 20 it amazes me how few people realise that a 20 bore, choke for choke, gm for gm, will always out pattern a 12 at long ranges 50 to 60 yards. On average a 20 bore will deliver an extra pellet (5 shot pellet size) per 4 gm in a 30 inch circle at long range. A not insignificant extra 8 pellets at 60 yards from a 32 gm load. The only real difference is that a 12 bore produces a shorter shot string than a 20 bore due to the larger bore diameter but then again, many experts prefer the longer shot string of the 20 to 'lay' across the line of the bird. Any modern O/U 20 bore can fire 32 or 34 gm cartridges today, although my testing indicates that any load above 32 gm in 12 bore or 20 bore will produce less satisfactory patterns than 32 gm at long range, so 32 gm is the optimum pattern wise at 50 or 60 yards in ether calibre.

[@darkgoten6633]

nice video!i will say this though(not a bad thing)all i can see is Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Watson....:) love it!

[@elitearchery]

what kind of 20 gauge was it in who makes it

[@rorylowdon5918]

I don't think the outer pellets are flyers, probably pellets in Brownian motion bouncing off eachother creating random deflection.

[@oddmunddale806]

I was hunting with heavy 12 bore shit for 45 years until I finally figure out the extra wt was waisted My longest shots on big birds have all been with short barrel 20 bore. 21 lbs turkeys at 70 yards and more. Its a lot of old beliving from black powder the time people have to throw on the boat.

[@patrickwalsh6240]

'Take it away Thomas - ok' ha ha. Loved it and thanks for your your video

[@tyler434652]

I fucking love Thomas

[@henrysperring9468]

what make is that 20 bore

[@benclay8689]

can you do a video on 16 bore and 28 bore shotguns i find my 16 is perfect for a young person

[@brentmorrison5591]

not mad but sounds so weird having someone with a British accent explaining guns

[@bradrook3919]

Actually Europeans have a much longer History of Bird Hunting than here in the U.S,, They know what they are speaking about..

[@mwnciboo]

Guns were taken to America, from Europe by European settlers...Why wouldn't we know about them?

[@bradrook3919]

@@mwnciboo never said Americans dont know about them..repiling to brents comment..We knew how to perfect them and not talking about shooting birds either..

[@mwnciboo]

@@bradrook3919 I was replying to the OP not you..but ok.

[@bradrook3919]

@@mwnciboo oopps..

[@zacbell4661]

Nice vid, I've got a 20 bore side by side and it's great but anyway awesome video, subscribed!!

[@srspower]

I think a side by side 20 would be what I would go for as I already have an over and under. That's the trouble with guns though, so many options! Thanks for the sub :)

[@jamesfarmer6004]

I posted my own sentiments on Browning's Model 725 20 gauge over and under shotgun via online. I will repeat same for here. Too bad lead shot has been banned by federal law for waterfowl hunting since 1991. In fact, the Klamath Wildlife Area 7 miles south of Klamath Falls , Oregon off Highway 97 even bans lead shot for hunting pheasant. Aside from the asinine restrictions and regulations which have plagued us for decades either a 20 gauge double-barrel shotgun: side by side or over and under with 26" barrels bored improved/modified choke, remains a practical, versatile, venerable and historical sporting firearm. For the dual purpose of "waterfowl/upland birds" the 20 gauge certainly has it's place. Aside from sporting use there is even another application for a 20 gauge: self defense/house protection and yes.....even for preserving law and order, being a formidable deterrent to criminal and predatory outlaw activity! I'm alluding to the current September 2017 natural disasters in Mexico (a devastating earthquake), not to mention hurricane damage in and around the Gulf Coast of Texas, much of Florida, and Puerto Rico. I'm referring to the aftermath where looters move in. While there may be better firearm choices to confront such lawlessness consider the reaility a 20 gauge might be the only firearm available for protecting innocent human life, families, and the local neighborhood community. Finally, I endorse the online You Tube video: "Dial 911 and Die: The Shocking Truth About The Police Protection Myth by Richard Stevens via www.jpfo.org. JPFO, Inc. is "America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization". Another pro-Second Amendment/pro-gun institution (non NRA affiliated) is The John Birch Society in Appleton, Wisconsin at www.jbs.org and www.thenewamerican.com, respectively. James A. "Jim" Farmer Merrill, Oregon (Klamath County)

[@tjhawg]

The terms gauge and bore are not synonyms and are not interchangeable. The firearm you have there is a 20 gauge. Bore refers to the actual diameter of the cylinder. Gauge is a measure of the number of lead balls of equivalent diameter it would take to weigh 1 pound.

[@WollongongWacko]

The bongs are learning

[@Mrcrunch93]

"Okay"

[@buddyjack1000]

in your test the 20ga. looks impressive because it has a longer shot string hitting a stationary target. it is a different story in the field shooting at moving targets.

[@mitchelldowie3309]

Thomas is a okay guy

[@timward8335]

yeah they are which is typical lol. my 16 bore I can get them for 6.80 a box for 28gr 6s which isn't too bad

[@JamesJones-cx5pk]

You didn't know the chokes?

[@jeffmate1610]

Do a 28 bore vid

[@recepozdemir3381]

Thomas protect your ear if you dont want to tinnitus

[@kevinphallus]

I hunt birds besides ducks with a 20. It’s just the right gun for the job. I shoot ducks and clays with a 12 to have any advantage I can have.

[@HerrenGamingNews]

why do you say 12 bore instead of 12 gauge?

[@w6dfmp242]

HerrenGamingNews because he's british

[@WaschyNumber1]

The 28ga is also a good Caliber and have the same spread as a 12ga but i would never buy eley again.

[@srspower]

28 bore cartridges are very pricey!

[@newhuskytwenty]

Hunters don't realize how effective is the 28 gauge, I would be worried about the price of the shotshells if I shoot clays with the 28g but for that it's the 12g.

[@aussieshootandhuntadventur4973]

i never could under stand why not just use smaller loads with the 12 g.....less recoil better resale value

[@TurinTuramber]

Sometimes a shotgun is carried far far more than it's shot and 20g guns are lighter. If you want less recoil then shoot light cartridges in a heavier gun.

[@diamonddog257]

good show again...srs ..... but kindly detail to the Americans and the handicapped... that it takes a lot more skill to drop game with the small bores .... pro's guns ...... ...I did handle a 4-Bore made in FN Belgium .... it took hulk hogan [ or me] to hold on target, never mind touch off...... ....and correct.... spending all day w/12g ... after a certain age...isn't great for your heart.........

[@tastefulnude]

Is Tomas a few sandwiches short of a picnic?😂

[@DavidWilliams-mr5nl]

OKAY! 😆

[@DIXIDAWG]

Unless he is certain (and he is only assuming here) that the chokes ware the same, this is an invalid test

[@davidsalazar50]

I have never been able to hit Clays with a 20. So i stick to 12 gauge.

[@davidsalazar50]

although, one time when I went to the club. I meet a 10 year old boy. who shattered Clays with a 28 gauge. I don't know if you guys across the Pond, are familiar with the 28 gauge. I've heard good things about them. but I've never fired one.

[@davidsalazar50]

although, one time when I went to the club. I meet a 10 year old boy. who shattered Clays with a 28 gauge. I don't know if you guys across the Pond, are familiar with the 28 gauge. I've heard good things about them. but I've never fired one.

[@diamonddog257]

you gotta be deadly to hit with 28/41o

[@Volsabor35]

20ga are more accurate got it

[@juliusfuglsang7602]

No problem

[@markpotter2485]

So you dont KNOW what choke you used on the 20, sooooo...

[@thehunterblacky7772]

first gun i ever shot was a 12ga 3and half 00buck at 5 years old and i shot a 12ga ever sense

[@brandonadams5938]

Why do Brits insist on calling 10, 12, 16 and 28 gauge as being "bores"? .410 is a bore. Those earlier mentioned are all gauges.

[@srspower]

.410 is a calibre not a bore. A bore is a fraction of a pound of lead rolled in to a ball.

[@uolstritdecision5633]

20 gauge 😎👍

[@eqlzr2]

Twenty Bo. ;-) Love me some Twenty Bo!

[@mateobravo1324]

Okay

[@wholeNwon]

If I'm going to be in the field all day, I carry a very light 20 ga. double. I want my birds dead on the wing and it does the job very well. I'm on target much faster than most of my friends and, if a second shot is needed, I'm back on target almost immediately. Is a 20 adequate in the duck blind? It's more than enough gun for decoying ducks.

[@CotmanKenny]

I have a second hand beretta silver hawk in 20ga, I wasn't going to buy it because its no 12, but took the chance. After some experience I would never go back to 12ga 😂

[@wholeNwon]

@@CotmanKenny There's not much that a 12 can do that a 20 can't do just as well. And my double has 2.5" chambers.

[@ratoneJR]

12 gauges are for people with a poor aim

[@tgpoppins3904]

Shotguns are for people with poor aim. I shoot all my pheasants and clays with a .22 air rifle.

[@mdkcjtl5523]

TGpoppins I shoot mine with a 30-06

[@Droidster-gn5pk]

Ok !!