SSPX, Dangerous Houses of Prayer - Nov 22 - Homily - Fr Terrance

[@fr.terrancechartier601]

Comments are welcome on this video as long as they're respectful; however, we will not allow this video and the comments section of this video to be used as a platform for any SSPX apologists. Dialogue for SSPX apologists is with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, not here. Just to back up what I said in the homily: Here's the link from 2013, with Card. Muller, then head of the CDF, saying that the SSPX is in schism: www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20046 And here's the link regarding Cardinal Burke's comments on the SSPX in 2017: www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/cdl-burke-sspx-in-schism Read Card. Burke's comments, and then see if they differ substantially from what I said. And anyone who says that the SSPX is now in full communion with Rome … please provide evidence of that - i.e. please give us a link to an official Vatican website that confirms that. Lastly, being "de facto" schismatic - which is what I said in the homily - differs from being "de iure" schismatic. "De iure" means that there's been a formally declared schism; that's not the case with the SSPX, as Archbishop Pozzo pointed out in 2018 (sspx.org/en/news-events/news/neither-schismatic-nor-excommunicated-abp-pozzo-fr-jean-michel-gleize-40262). But the "de facto" schism is clear (www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/schism). It's a subtle distinction, but a real one, and a necessary one, in order to understand the SSPX's standing.

[@franciscanfriars]

There are two senses that the word schism is used. In the article from Church Militant that has the video embedded of Card. Burke calling them schismatic it says "Canon law differentiates between *formal schism* - which requires an official pronouncement from the Holy See - and *material schism* - which manifests in a party's words and actions, even though *no official pronouncement* by the Church has been made. It's the *latter* to which Burke is referring." www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/cdl-burke-sspx-in-schism (emphasis added) So the fact that Card. Burke is using it in the sense of *material schism* is an important distinction because, if it were formal then I believe those going to an SSPX mass would consequently be in a state of excommunication. Fr. Terrance is not saying that. Also, this explains the seeming discrepancy between Card. Burke's statement and the Congregation's. In 2009, Pope Benedict XVI reaffirmed that: "Until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers - even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty - do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church." w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/letters/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_let_20090310_remissione-scomunica.html In 2017 this was modified by Pope Francis to allow confession on an ongoing basis and celebrate masses in marriages and even receive the vows if they get permission from the Bishop. www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_commissions/ecclsdei/documents/rc_com_ecclsdei_doc_20170327_lettera-presuli_en.html Also, the impediments to full communion are not just over liturgy but are doctrinal: cruxnow.com/vatican/2018/11/doctrine-remains-problem-in-relations-sspx-affirms-after-vatican-meeting/ - Friar Roderic

[@Hwaigon]

I thank you for your voice of hope and wisdom in these times. I also love your Theresa of Avila lectures. +.

[@fr.terrancechartier601]

@@MrThickmick3 Good point, you're right. They didn't mention anything about the devil or demons. But where there is division in the Church, where there's schism, where there's disobedience, where there are priests celebrating illicit Masses … the logical conclusion is that the devil's at play. Thanks for the comment. God bless!

[@kitschkat8678]

@@fr.terrancechartier601 , I don't understand how attending these masses is ever allowed, however. Since they are, as you mentioned, sacrilegious, how is it that no access to a legitimate parish make it acceptable to attend one in schism? How is attending and supporting sacrilege and schism better than missing Mass?

[@fr.terrancechartier601]

@@kitschkat8678 I think the approach that the Church is taking is the same approach that they take with the Orthodox Church. You can also attend an Orthodox Church Mass if you're unable to go to a Catholic Church or Mass on Sunday. That's how the Church has dealt recently with that old schism, and so the Church is doing the same with this new one. Personally, yes, I'd think twice and three times before attending either one. Thanks for the question. God bless!

[@mistakenmillenial6834]

I’m sure there are many good people among these congregations. Pray for unity.

[@franciscanfriars]

Amen - Friar Roderic

[@ritablanchard8133]

It’s imperative that Parishioner’s be lovingly educated on the error.

[@desertrat1111]

Yes. Looking forward to the day when SSPX is in full communion with the Church. Until then I have to go along with what Father just said.

[@marthagarcia4868]

Thank you is a great preacher is complete true full god bless protect all of you 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@madgiemadgie9128]

God bless and protect this beautiful priest.🙏🏾

[@philiphoward5877]

I used to attend the SSPX. I don't anymore and haven't for a long time . I do however find it ironic.that those who do guitar masses, bubble masses, beach raft masses, rock and roll masses, homosexual masses. They are all licit. Hmm. I will be obedient as I can but as a lay person I think the modernists are pulling a quick one on us . That being said thank God the faithful has options like the FFI.

[@magwalliy]

sorry what is FFI? (I'm french-mother language speaker and do not know all accronyms)

[@karlheven8328]

@@magwalliy this order that made the video

[@jperickson7737]

Right on Padre! Preach it!

[@HeavnzMiHome]

Thank you for the warning.

[@martinhughes6759]

We also have the FSSP whom are every bit as Traditional as SSPX and not outside of the Church of Rome.

[@harrykane1748]

Martin Hughes And ICKSP too

[@br.eliottyozwiakmic8107]

In the letter to the Bishops that accompanied Summorum Pontificum, Pope Benedict XVI said, "Needless to say, in order to experience full communion, the priests of the communities adhering to the former usage cannot, as a matter of principle, exclude celebrating according to the new books. The total exclusion of the new rite would not in fact be consistent with the recognition of its value and holiness."

[@roseluz1765]

Amen🙏🏽

[@ranmingku9184]

Not all of us are lucky of having FSSP in the area. I would like to go to FSSP, however in my country I doubt there is any.

[@Dr.RoshanW]

"The devil can imitate humility but he cannot imitate obedience." - St Faustina "He who is not with the Pope is not with God" - Sr Lucia of Fatima

[@fr.terrancechartier601]

That's a good recap of the homily in a nutshell. God bless!

[@Dr.RoshanW]

@@fr.terrancechartier601 Thanks for the homily.. God bless you Fr.

[@memeitoe7141]

@@rob7800 The Pope and majority of the Bishop promulgate Vatican II but the SSPX does not. Is it not against the Pope?

[@madgiemadgie9128]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I wasn’t aware of that quote from St.Faustina. Excellent ! For anyone who is in any doubt, it doesn’t get clearer than that! If you align with the SSPX the devil has deceived you exceedingly well.

[@desertrat1111]

Thank you Father for the clarification. Iam looking forward the day when SSPX come into full communion with the Church. But until that happens, I will agree totally with what you said here.

[@mamiro59]

Full communion with modernists?🤔

[@franciscanfriars]

Dear mamiro, Please be aware that anyone who formally adherences to the SSPX movement is automatically excommunicated from the Church. JP2 stipulated that in his Apostolic Letter "Ecclesia Dei Adflicta" of 1988. The excommunication is "latae sententiae", which means that it happens automatically. It would be good for you to listen to John Salza & his series of videos on the Logos Project regarding the SSPX. To believe that the Catholic Church is a "modernist church" or a "novus ordo" church is already a sign that you're heading down the road of excommunication if you haven't already reached it. You're in our prayers. - Fr. Terrance

[@Mike-pf1ru]

Unitatis Redintegratio 3: “The brethren divided from us also use many liturgical actions of the Christian religion. These most certainly can truly engender a life of grace in ways that vary according to the condition of each Church or Community. These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation. It follows that the separated Churches and Communities as such [SSPX], though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.”

[@truthandjustice9084]

What would happen to FSSP if Pope Francis restricts all Latin Mass? Would they disband, or go to the new order? Or disband? I ask that in good nature. I am so grateful for FSSP and worry that they also will be restricted soon.

[@marccrotty8447]

Truth. I am closely affiliated with FSSP. Nearly all the Priests would refuse to say the "made by committee in four years Novus Ordo rite." Until 1969 the Mass was directly traceable to the Apostles and Catholic Tradition. Attend the Latin Mass.

[@JimCvit]

It would be nice if @Sensus Fidelium would post this or @Return to Tradition. I doubt it though.

[@ITSbigwillystyle]

Pretty sure Francis gave them faculties for confession, I do not believe their liturgies are licit.

[@fr.terrancechartier601]

Correct! Here's a link (also regarding marriages): www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_commissions/ecclsdei/documents/rc_com_ecclsdei_doc_20170327_lettera-presuli_en.html

[@TheNarrowGate101]

Isn’t that odd that Pope Francis would give them the faculty to hear confession? Wouldn’t that bring the faithful to trust and develop a relationship with SSPX ? Doesn’t make sense.

[@fr.terrancechartier601]

@@TheNarrowGate101 I think it was a gesture of good will towards the SSPX and also something to help those people who frequent them. But yes, it does foster more "confusion", as they say. Our Lord knows how to sort out messes, so I'll leave that to Him. :) God bless!

[@gruntpadre5337]

Father, you did a great job. God bless you.

[@LIZZIE-lizzie]

Yet, the New Testament reads in Jesus' words, "avoid schisms.". The Roman Catholic church is the only church where one can receive the body and blood of Jesus Christ every day if one so chooses. Jesus Christ is truly present IN THE HOST and numerous Eucharist miracles attest to this. Roman Catholics can "visit" other services but we can't participate. As a Roman catholic from birth, why would I attend any church not announcing its' ROMAN CATHOLICISM, on its' placard - i.e. ST. VINCENT DE PAUL ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. GOD LOVES US, ALL❣👍 CHRIST IS PRESENT IN EVERY BODY❣👍 JESUS WE TRUST IN YOU❣❣❣

[@godisinchargesueowl8599]

My folks would say : If the Pope isn't there, it's not us .God bless. 🌹

[@brigittedunn9390]

why Pope Francis says we can go there and go to confession at SSPX chapels ?

[@franciscanfriars]

Thanks for the comment. The pope allows this as a gesture of reconciliation to foster bringing the SSPX back into communion. - Friar Roderic

[@Peter-tr7gg]

@@franciscanfriars could the pope also allow us to go to Confession with Eastern "Orthodox" priests as a gesture of reconciliation then?

[@roseluz1765]

Because it's all about the salvation of souls, there are many who are ignorant of the SSPX being in a form of schism, he's responsible for those souls. Also, the Russian Orthodox Church is in a schism, however, they have the true Priesthood. If in an extreme emergency one needs confession, they should go to an Orthodox Church for a priest if a catholic one happens to be unavailable .

[@gerardusyosari327]

@@franciscanfriars Hi Father. Would that mean the Pope has allowed the faithful to go for a valid, illicit sacrament just for a political purpose (i.e. bringing the SSPX back into communion with Rome)?

[@caleblonggrear2796]

Way to put it Father Terrence - it would be great to have an articulation (book?) explaining the concepts of navigation faith with a generally moderate perspective. So many of us get lost in the traditional perspective (not doctrinally typically, but what is the role of love in exemplifying the Gospel?)

[@br.eliottyozwiakmic8107]

In the letter to the Bishops that accompanied Summorum Pontificum, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI said: "Needless to say, in order to experience full communion, the priests of the communities adhering to the former usage cannot, as a matter of principle, exclude celebrating according to the new books. The total exclusion of the new rite would not in fact be consistent with the recognition of its value and holiness."

[@anomanly2666]

@Fr. Terrance Chartier Thank you for your input and clarification much appreciated and I totally agree that we must remain faithful and follow the Vatican, however I am greatly concerned and I am no way judging in a condeming way about Pope Francis as a personal attack, but I feel I should as a traditional Catholic be able to give "moral" judgement .. watching the performance at Amazon Synod, and some odd comments with regard to UN sustainability, which ultimately to encourage less births and more contraception this is on their manifesto...it is morally wrong within the teachings of the Catechism so his words are particularly perplexing and unclear and very confusing Yes there's extremism on both sides which is dividing the faithful but really the confusion is coming directly from Pope Francis' comments and those within the Vatican. I wonder if St Peter and Paul where to be present today if they would be silent? Also I would really have thought that our Church needs to cleanse the demons of child abuse and homosexuality that is attempting to destroy the Catholic Church instead of the bizarre Amazon Synod, which makes no sense to me except to try bring in liberal ways of married priests or women "deacons" and that my dear Father is a slippery slope. I shall keep all our Holy Priests, Cardinals, Bishops in my rosary and most frevently the Holy Father Pope Francis. God Bless from UK 🇬🇧 devoted and Faithful Roman Catholic

[@amorbayani]

♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

[@marlenetaruris6590]

Thank you very much Fr.Terrance for another informative homily. Keep up the good work. God bless you abundantly. May Our Lady wrap you in her mantle of love, peace,strength and final perseverance. JMJ

[@brendamyc3057]

Thank you Father for teaching the faithful about this. Please Father help us further. There are many people who are divided against the bishops and the Church because of the scandals and because of bad catechesis. When bishops make decisions now which is part of their duty to protect the deposit of Faith and to protect the faithful from errors and the devil, people simply disregard what he says and do what they want anyway. They wrongly believe that all the bishops are a part of the infiltration to destroy the true faith.

[@dlourdes4743]

I will check in my diocese...since they are allowed to say mass at one of the local Catholic church

[@roseluz1765]

Amen! 🙌🏽🙏🏽🌹 Fr Terrance is 100% correct ! Thank you for your courage !

[@linakoh4206]

Thank you Father .. for highlighting and sharing your knowledge this. God blessings Father 🕊

[@maycamilleri8308]

Faith in God, not faith in our current pope.

[@fr.terrancechartier601]

That's also a Protestant motto. Be careful, and God bless!

[@therese5361]

RICH! Much needed homily...THANK YOU 🌹

[@StJohnPaulXXIII]

You just kicked an internet hornet's nest. God bless you and good work.

[@fr.terrancechartier601]

That explains all the stings (and the ones that we haven't posted). God bless!

[@happy1831]

🕯🌹🕊🌹🕯

[@user-tc2ww7pq4f]

I’ve always been so confused about this, I use to go to SSPX masses, I also had gone to a sede chapel once . I felt bad and conflicted

[@tesstele]

Thank you Father for having to courage to correct us on the error that the sspx is in fully communion. Lesson learned for future articles/sourses. I do apologize if we were a bit critical on you, but thank u again for taking the bullet in order to educate/enlighten us during these times. Keep it up, we look forward to your homilies. God bless.

[@michaellancaster8221]

They are in full communion. Being in communion and being canonically irregular are two different things. This priest is spreading error and falsehoods.

[@fr.terrancechartier601]

@@michaellancaster8221 Thanks for the comment. If the SSPX were in full communion with the Church, they would have the freedom to exercise full faculties as priests - and yet, they do not have that freedom. Hence (one example) their Masses are "valid" but "illicit". If you can provide us with a link from a Vatican site stating that the SSPX are in full communion with the Church, that would be greatly appreciated. God bless!

[@sethsaviero9137]

SSPX > FSSP

[@brigittedunn9390]

Apostolic letter of the Holy Father Francis at the conclusion of the extraordinary jubilees of merci #12 give clarity on the subject and there validity.

[@franciscanfriars]

Are you referring to the letter from the Vatican in your last comment?

[@franciscanfriars]

Okay, I found it I think. www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/apost_letters/documents/papa-francesco-lettera-ap_20161120_misericordia-et-misera.html and here is the paragraph you mention: For the Jubilee Year I had also granted that those faithful who, for various reasons, attend churches officiated by the priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X, can validly and licitly receive the sacramental absolution of their sins.[15] For the pastoral benefit of these faithful, and trusting in the good will of their priests to strive with God’s help for the recovery of full communion in the Catholic Church, I have personally decided to extend this faculty beyond the Jubilee Year, until further provisions are made, lest anyone ever be deprived of the sacramental sign of reconciliation through the Church’s pardon.

[@brigittedunn9390]

yes

[@harrykane1748]

There are ICKSP & FSSP

[@michelemacikdurighello6293]

Dear Father Chartier I’m italian, in my graduation thesis at the university of Padua I said that St. John Paul II wanted the Priestly Fraternity of St.Peter (FSSP) to celebrate the Latin liturgy exclusively, then Pope Benedict wanted the summorum pontificum to be sure not to forgot the Tradition of the Holy Mother Church. Please let them be known, this is to be truly catholic (not to go to the chapels of the SSPX, I agree with you). Thanks, God bless.

[@jacquelineharrod6386]

Thank you for this warning.

[@dalton7145]

The more I hear of Roman Catholics fight over who's in schism and who isn't the more I think about switching to Eastern Orthodox. At least they've never changed to modernism and remember before mass was in latin it was in Greek.

[@pavelrazamazov2672]

Dalton AVEMARIA yeah and join another schismatic group lol? Believe they enough problems themselves

[@TheDTCory]

The Eastern Orthodox are not united. They too have a modernist vs. Traditionalist split.

[@ranchugoldfish3822]

Is the Latin mass a SSPX mass?

[@franciscanfriars]

Thanks, Bill. The short answer is, No. The SSPX is very focused on the Latin Mass and perhaps many in their group consider the Novus Order Mass to be invalid, but the Latin Mass is legitimate on its own and is celebrated by many outside of the SSPX, including some of our own priests in the FI. - Friar Roderic

[@ranchugoldfish3822]

@@franciscanfriars Thank you for taking time and answering my question. Coming from you, the voice of the church, I know this answer to be true. You guys do good work. Thank you again for a being a beacon of faith in this time of crisis. Your friend Bill

[@johnchristopher4681]

@@franciscanfriars Are we in Mortal Sin if we once attended SSPX presided TLM and recieved communion in that said mass?

[@johnchristopher4681]

Are we in Mortal Sin if we once attended SSPX presided TLM and recieved communion in that said mass?

[@franciscanfriars]

No, no worries - you're okay. God bless! - Fr. Terrance

[@ritablanchard8133]

I’d go to confession.

[@happycamper5211]

Excellent explanation. There are times when I am tempted to flee but we must be obedient to the Pope which the SSPX is not. (Which is the sign to flee from that)

[@TheTruthResearchers]

Thank you Father, for this vital homily. We were unaware of sspx. We will certainly pray that the souls of al,l who are involved in such practices, will find THE Light Of Christ and be converted and directed to HIS Catholic Church, amen. Also, we were recently shocked to find that there are countless "physical churches" that are dedicated to Satan. It is beyond devastating that such a "building" & "congregation" exists; and in such great numbers. The many of them hold their "rituals" at 3:00AM. A Terrifying World Order. We must all PRAY TO OUR ONLY FATHER GOD, IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, with all of our heart, inside THE Sacred Heart OF JESUS, The Only SACRED GOD HEART that ever existed in man. We must Pray, more than ever, that those who are demonically possessed, whether it be knowingly or innocently, will be Converted and Saved, immediately! There is no Time to waste because Time belongs to GOD, and we are GOD's Beautiful Children. We are HIS Warriors. We are His "Saints To Be". Let us pray that we shall All Become The Saints that we were Made To Be. Amen. Thank you.

[@bellasouthward5362]

"Valid but not licit" - care to define definitions?

[@fr.terrancechartier601]

They’re juridical terms. “Valid” means that the subject placing the act [in this case, a Catholic priest] is capable of placing the act [in this case, consecrating the Eucharist] and manifests their will to do so; also, that all the essential elements necessary to complete the act are present [wine, water, bread, the words pronounced by the priest] and that they observe the essential formalities and requirement prescribed by the law (cfr. Luigi Chiappetta, “Il Codice di Diritto Canonico” Vol. 1 commentary, p.187-188). “Licit” means that the juridical act placed by the subject was lawful (according to Church law). So “illicit” means that it wasn’t lawful. Another example: a grandmother can want to have her grandson baptized, even though the parents refuse, and so grandma takes her grandson into the bathroom, pours water on his forehead and says: “I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” Again, in that case, the sacrament would be “valid” but “illicit”. Hope that helps. God bless!

[@jen9774]

Thanks for asking for clarification because my initial thought was the statement was a contradiction of terms.

[@marygrotaers9857]

kathleen kindt I would like to see an answer to your question .

[@fr.terrancechartier601]

@@kathleenkindt3688 , Thanks for the question. There's a discussion regarding it which you can read here: forums.catholic.com/t/pope-st-pius-v-quo-primum/284926 In short: in respects to the liturgy, what one pope can bind, another can unbind. The discussion at the link above is, as you can image, interesting and "lively" at the same time. God bless!

[@fr.terrancechartier601]

@@marygrotaers9857 and @kathleen kindt , Thanks for the question. There's a discussion regarding it which you can read here: forums.catholic.com/t/pope-st-pius-v-quo-primum/284926 In short: in respects to the liturgy, what one pope can bind, another can unbind. The discussion at the link above is, as you can image, interesting and "lively" at the same time. God bless!

[@katmar2731]

Thank you Father Terrance for clarifying this confusion. God Bless you

[@ruthmaryrose]

Kat Mar He is truly courageous. Clarification is much needed. It can be very confusing.

[@katmar2731]

Yes. Good Holy priests, we need to pray for them. These priests have such a special devotion to the Mother of God, they have been given a true gift of preaching. God Bless them all.

[@markdimawala6048]

Amen

[@BenedictJamesWee]

Go after the Orthodox/Protestants/Muslims/Taoists/Buddhists next to show no bias.

[@emilylai9185]

@Fr. Terrance Chartier we are missing Fr Terrance’s homilies! Please come back soon, Fr Terrance! God bless and keep you. @franciscanfriars

[@mirosderegil]

Excellent homily, Fr. Terrance! Thank you for addressing this very important issue.

[@fr.terrancechartier601]

Calvin and Hobbes was my favorite comic growing up. God bless!

[@mirosderegil]

@@fr.terrancechartier601 That is awesome! It was my favorite comic book growing up as well. God bless you too, Fr. Terrance! Thank you for being a priest, and for giving us these very enriching homilies. I love that there are priests, such as yourself, that are well prepared and teach the truth. We pray for all of you each day in our Holy Rosary prayers at my local parish. 😊🕇📿❤ Love from Guadalupe, Mexico!

[@roseluz1765]

I know Fr Terrance will get a lot of negative feedback and sinful lip from those of SSPX over this public sermon, but they will only be adding more jewels in his heavenly crown .. Anyone who takes this priest's name and smears it because they can't handle truth blasphemes against God, read your Catechism, we blaspheme against God if we take our neighbor's good name and smear it, so one should think before he speaks..

[@julianastephens6287]

Interesting, SSPX Catholics are not doing this. They are so accustomed to persecution that they just get on with their lives, trying to do the right thing.

[@franciscanfriars]

Dear Juliana, You haven't seen the comments we've deleted. Also, please be aware that anyone who formally adheres to the SSPX movement is automatically excommunicated from the Church. JP2 stipulated that in his Apostolic Letter "Ecclesia Dei Adflicta" of 1988, & that still applies today. - Fr. Terrance

[@polishmehappy]

Thanks for this father. Unfortunately I went to midnight Mass 2019 in KC at an SSPX church. I was ignorant about it. I could feel something not right in there father. It was my worse experience at communion, I wanted to cry and felt awful. I've asked the Lord to forgive me. I had never seen such thing. Although the service was beautiful, something wasn't right, I'm dead serious about this. I have never been to a Church that made me feel more alien in my life. Catholics under the authority of the Church need to be warned about this, it's a serious thing. I needed your words today...thank you!

[@ThePhonequeen3]

As a conservative leaning Catholic who mostly (not completely) dislikes Vatican 2 I still get irritated with the volume of KZbin channels that promote orthodoxy in the faith but then speak favorably or at least sympathetically in regards to SSPX. I can't stand the Novus Ordo and tend to stick to Byzantine and Tridentine Liturgies but if I didn't have one of those available do you think I would violate my Sunday obligation? Certainly not. I seem to recall SSPX stating that I should do just that which qualifies as more than schism but also giving grave scandal which is mortally sinful. My opinion (and I may be totally off on this) is that the most realistic option to restore orthodoxy to the average Catholic parish where the overwhelming majority of priests don't know Latin and could not quickly master it would be to eliminate the Novus Ordo as the "Ordinary Form" and replace it with the Anglican Use Liturgy introduced in the JP2 era which in spite of its name is very Catholic and very reverent. I invite anyone here to watch one of their Masses on KZbin and tell me what you think about my proposal.

[@ThePhonequeen3]

I would point out one other irony. The group is called Society of St. Plus X. As disgusted as St. Plus X would be with the abominable state of the Church today, can you realistically see him supporting disobedience?

[@ThePhonequeen3]

I meant to say Pius. Lousy autocorrect.

[@St_AngusYoung]

@@ThePhonequeen3 the key word in your comment was disobedience. The SSPX say they believe that Francis is the pope, yet won't obey him or the bishop in their diocese. They want their cake and eat it to. FSSP and ICKSP are people's best bets. Until the Society comes into full communion with Rome, they're in the same boat as the sedevacantists and outside of the church.

[@pfpbilltown7919]

Jesus struggled with the Pharisees too.

[@marielivingstone5369]

Thank you Fr. Terrance for this great and informative video. It all makes me so sad to think of all this terrible evil of the sspx going on. The Holy Roman Catholic Church is The Mystical Body of Christ. I think of Jesus' words when He said, 'Many Will Come In My Name" so He has already Warned us. I love His Words , " I Will Be With You Always,Even To The End Of The World." We have to trust in Him And pray The Holy Rosary. God Bless you Fr. Nr. Ireland.

[@fr.terrancechartier601]

God bless you, Marie! Remember, Jesus said: "In this world, you will have tribulation", but then He added: "but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world" (John 16:33). So we should expect difficulties ... but let's focus on Jesus and Mary and not on the difficulties. And let's pray for the conversion of hearts and the conversion of sinners and give the worries and the sadness to the Lord. He knows how to put them to good use. :)

[@marielivingstone5369]

Thank you Fr.

[@sallyramos5556]

Thank you, Father, for this info... no wonder when I heard the SSPX priest talked something was off...

[@elijah7k]

Well said Father!

[@tesschavit3009]

Amen