SSPX To Vigano: TAKE A CHILL PILL w/ Dr. Jacob Imam

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Jacob Imam and Matt Fradd read an article about the recent SSPX statement distancing themselves from Vigano. The SSPX deny Vigano's self comparison to Lefebvre!
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[@clivejames5058]

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,” Archbishop Vigano is a whistleblower and his courage should be respected.

[@Shrike1994]

(I'm not aiming to cause a storm, but I have to point this out. With this being so long, in summary: evidence shows Vigano is guilty of gross inaction towards McCarrick and his actions, and only started making his attacks on Pope Francis on the McCarrick situation right before a report was released that revealed Vigano's inaction) Archbishop Vigano began his attacks against Pope Francis regarding Cardinal McCarrick prior to the release of Vatican's investigation on McCarrick. The said report revealed damning evidence against Vigano while Apostolic Nuncio to the US, namely that he repeatedly did nothing. He failed to enforce the Vatican's wishes under Pope Benedict that McCarrick should be less in the public eye (i.e. traveling, public talks, special dinners/events), but Vigano repeatedly attended with and showed encouragement towards him. One of the few, if only, time Vigano reached out to the Vatican for instructions regarding McCarrick was when a priest sent a letter to Vigano about being S.A. and stated he would go public if action was not taken. He was given clear instructions, including reaching out to the priest to collect more information and to confront McCarrick on the need to be less publicly active. He did nothing. All evidence collected from his office as Apostolic Nuncio showed he did perform any of the instructions given, and did not so much as respond back to the priest. The closest times in which Vigano could have mostly easily confront McCarrick were initiated by McCarrick. First was earlier on when McCarrick reached out to Vigano if he should travel and be in the public less, and the second was (after the priest's letter) McCarrick confronted Vigano in private about Vigano not talking directly when not wanting him to attend a luncheon (Vigano had indirectly requested McCarrick not attend the luncheon through both their secretaries, if I remember correctly). In both cases, Vigano did not give any response, and did nothing. In the end, I not only find it strange, but all too convenient that Vigano started making his attacks against Pope Francis right before Vigano's inaction regarding McCarrick (which is what he was accusing Pope Francis on).

[@susand3668]

@@Shrike1994 well said!!

[@Deathbytroll]

Vigano now enjoys a status similar to the Eastern Orthodox, anglicans, old Catholics and apparently Protestants. So I expect him to be invited to ecumenical meetings

[@leokim1458]

wink

[@JGComments]

lol

[@crimsontwins6612]

Spot on!

[@AndrewDolder]

The difference is that he wouldn’t have a vote.

[@user-tv6vv5rb8v]

And he is entitled to "Eucharistic hospitality".

[@JGComments]

Every Protestant and Sedavacantist ever: "All of the other bishops have screwed up, but luckily the Holy Spirit has guided me and only me to the right conclusion."

[@user-tv6vv5rb8v]

Isn't that what Bergoglio is saying about every previous pope?

[@AndrewDolder]

@@user-tv6vv5rb8v”Bergoglio”? oh, you mean Pope Francis, the Supreme Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ, the Successor of St Peter, whom Jesus gave the keys to heaven to. That guy.

[@nobodyinteresting5311]

@@user-tv6vv5rb8v Genuinely curious as a Protestant hoping to start RCIA this fall: could you point me to a document, video, or saying of pope Francis that contradicts prior papal teaching?

[@balipsette]

@@nobodyinteresting5311there isn’t one

[@luke9747]

​@nobodyinteresting5311 He will say things that are ambiguous and interpreted through a right vs left political spectrum here in the USA. So he says it in a different country, different language, which gets reported by some liberal news outlet, and then we in America get a breakdown from a KZbin commentator that is also biased. People lose their mind over things he says. Keep your head on straight, even if he does say something wrong, that doesn't mean he isn't the pope.

[@SteichenFamily]

So if we don't respect Francis, even though he's done much to destroy his respectability, we are schismatic? I respect the chair of Peter, but it deeply saddens me the man who occupies it has done so much to hurt the souls he is charged to shepherd.

[@Quekksilber]

Yes, that would be a refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff.

[@johnkrajewski5395]

Yes, respect the chair

[@sandraelder1101]

It is not schismatic to disagree with or even dislike a Pope, Bishop, etc.

[@phoenixaz8431]

@@Quekksilber Submission to God, to Christ, to Tradition, to the deposit of the faith, to the Catholic Church, AND to the Roman Pontiff *INASMUCH* as he is truly the RP AND that he is faithful to what I listed

[@phoenixaz8431]

@@johnkrajewski5395 I respect the chair so much I refuse to let a man degrade, dishonor and make a mockery of it. Which is precisely what Bergoglio is doing, whether he is truly pope or not.

[@sb4sb433]

Vigano's argument is that because of seious heresy a pope actually ceases to be the pope

[@susand3668]

He is wrong. Firstly, Vigano has not proven "serious heresy" on the part of Pope Francis. Secondly, no one has the authority to judge a sitting pope except God. Vigano has been on the rampage ever since his buddy McCarrick was unmasked. Don't you remember how the photos of him grinning and complimenting McCarrick began to float about on the Internet, just before he published his 11-page diatribe against Pope Francis, calling for Pope Francis to resign? Instead of resigning, Pope Francis laicized McCarrick and ordered a complete and thorough investigation into how McCarrick was able to prosper so long. The report on McCarrick was published in 2020. One thing it uncovered was Nuncio Vigano's failures to act on the pope's behalf during his years in the US. In 2012, Nuncio Vigano received information from a "Priest 3" that showed McCarrick's "troubles" were not in the distant past (as Pope Benedict had been led to believe). Vigano did contact Cardinal Ouellet, then head of the Congregation for Bishops (now Dicastery) to inform him of the accusations, which Priest 3 had said he would publish. Vigano was told to investigate the allegations. He did not. Priest 3 heard nothing more from Vigano. Vigano did not advise McCarrick to continue to limit his journeys and was heard to praise McCarrick and was seen making trips with McCarrick until Vigano's 5-year term as nuncio was over. Vigano has never brought forth any proof of any of his allegations against Pope Francis.

[@holyzeitler77]

Saints Leo I, Athanasius, Columba, Joan of Arc, and Mary Mackillop were all excommunicated

[@InExcelsisDeo24]

@@holyzeitler77 Leo also focused on the importance of papal authority. Joan of Arc provides an excellent example of the folly of crying heresy and condemning an innocent person through bearing false witness.

[@holyzeitler77]

@@InExcelsisDeo24 papal authority is for the clergyman to obey and regard. The Pope is the vicar of Christ, not the mouth of God. All men are fallible and popes make mistakes, make errors, etc. This is historically accurate and accepted.

[@user-rz9zn9yf2o]

@@InExcelsisDeo24Joan of Arc was only excommunicated because she was tried by Englishmen who set out to have her killed.

[@BlakeRobert777]

When you start pointing out their (pope's) wickedness, you are excommunicated

[@holyzeitler77]

@@InExcelsisDeo24 since one of the requirements to be convicted of schism is to create something new, the only ones guilty are those who propose to alter the Latin rite and the Catholic Church

[@reminders8657]

I really want to hear Matt Fradd talk about the SUBSTANCE of Vigano's argument and disagreements. So far, all I've heard him address is the means and manner of the disagreement.

[@javaman8895]

Who cares? Vigano is a schismatic

[@loreman7267]

Viganò's 2018 accusations have been answered by the Vatican, in a document released in 2020, already. Did you know about it? Me, neither! Conservative Catholic media have been refusing to engage with it, for reasons I can guess. Reason and Theology on YT covered it recently, in a monster 3 hour video. Viganò does not come out of it looking like the martyr he wants to be.

[@user-uy8wx4pk4h]

Of course Fradd is focusing on trivialities instead of the substance. Fradd is a complete shill and he is basically a woman. Just listen to him talk for 2 minutes.

[@JohnAlbertRigali]

Agreed. Mr. Fradd and Dr. Imam strung up Abp. Viganò without investigating his claims and concerns (most of which I share).

[@phoenixaz8431]

@@JohnAlbertRigali Effeminate men tend to do that. Bergoglio/ ''pope" Francis is wreaking havoc on the Church, on believers, sinners, on the Catholic Church in China etc., but these two clowns are preoccupied with harmony, unity and obedience. Calling ''pope'' someone who is not is a pretty big deal. Hope Fradd ponders over that when he smokes his next cigar and sips on his aged single-malt whatever.

[@somnathganapa5789]

I don't think refusing to go to a Novus Ordo Church is schismatic. Believing that Catholics who go to a Novus Ordo are not Catholic would be schismatic.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

Refusing to go to a Norvus Ordo *in favor of an illicit mass* is, by definition, an act of schism. Going to a Latin Mass in full communion with Rome, like Fraternal Society of Saint Peter (FSSP), is all good. Refusing to go to a Norvus Ordo when it's the only thing available is *NOT* an act of schism, but it is a willful neglect of your Sunday obligation.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

Refusing to go to a Norvus Ordo *in favor of an illicit mass* is, by definition, an act of schism. Going to a Latin Mass in full communion with Rome, like Fraternal Society of Saint Peter (FSSP), is all good. Refusing to go to a Norvus Ordo when it's the only thing available is *NOT* an act of schism, but it is a willful neglect of your Sunday obligation.

[@UNUSINC]

But why is one refusing to go to the Novus Ordo is important. If Pope Francis hypothetically put a stop to TLM would said person go to Novus Ordo?

[@MikeyJMJ]

Refusing to go to Novus Ordo is problematic at best, schismatic at worst

[@sanjoy_deori]

Preferring one mass over the other is not the problem, but saying/thinking TLM is valid and NO is not valid and hence determining not to attend NO definitely is problematic. I go NO mass because in India where I am from TLM is not available, but we have NO mass in English language and local language and I prefer to go English Mass but I also attend Local language mass when bishop decides that only one mass be performed on important days, it's mostly in local language. So that's the correct way to go about it. You can prefer one over the other but you must never deny NO as invalid. I see many Trad online saying upsetting things about NO mass , it's an insult to many catholic s who worship God in NO mass when RadTrads say NO is not good as TLM or reverent enough kinda stuff. Had those trads kept silent and not bad mouthed NO mass, TLM wouldn't have been in jeopardy today. Seems RadTrads themselves are to blame for their toxic attitudes, as if they are the only ones worshipping God in the proper way, while all the rest of us who go Novus Ordo mass are not. Sorry for such a long answer.

[@gerry30]

"If someone for a reasonable motive, holds the person of the Pope in suspicion and refuses his presence, even his jurisdiction, he does not commit the delect of schism nor any other whatsoever, ….provided he be ready accept the Pope were he not held in suspicion.” -Cardinal Thomas Cajetan, OP. Commentary on the Summa Theologiae of St. Thomas Aquinas: entry 186 on “schism”

[@alaskabeachboy]

Our Lady of Akita in 1973: "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres...churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord."

[@luke9747]

Vigano rejects the pope and holds a sedevecantist position. The church has made clear in its tradition that that is never something we can do as Catholics. Remain in the church!

[@Marist_Chanel]

“the Church will be full of those who accept compromises…” Sounds like OL of Akita still referred to it as THE Church.

[@deutschermichel5807]

​@@Marist_Chanelyes!

[@susand3668]

Pope Francis has a great devotion to our Lady and wants to be buried in the Basilica of Saint Mary Major. He has certainly been scorned and opposed, so that it is surprising how much he has been able to accomplish, stopping the German Synodal Way from their intent to turn over the governance of the Church to lay people and to begin church ceremonies blessing same-sex couples (despite the many people who misunderstood and misrepresented "Fiducia Supplicans", which was the weapon with which Pope Francis stopped the modernists. Matt Fradd is on-point when he says the Church is being attacked by both the spirit of modernism and the spirit of sede-vacantism.

[@deutschermichel5807]

@@susand3668 so true my sibling in Christ

[@josefjung6946]

Before you discuss this, there is one question on which everything depends: Does Vatican II contain errors/heresies and do the popes promote them? Answering this question yes or no is the basis for everything. But it seems like you are beating around the core of the issue.

[@deutschermichel5807]

It doesnʼt. An ecumenical council is infallible

[@bluemango8689]

Modern day Pharisees. Vigano's understanding of EENS is similar to Sola Fide, a her"""etic""al doctrine that taught no salvation to pagans and atheists (at least through their own fault). Coincidence? i think not. That's why they hate Vatican 2 so much. It's Matthew 23:13-14 happening all over again. "Why i live a holy life and faithful to the Lord if sinners and pagans can still be allowed to enter the Kingdom"

[@Quekksilber]

No it doesn't. It's an ecumenical council...

[@holyzeitler77]

@@deutschermichel5807 hardly

[@sandraelder1101]

@@holyzeitler77You don’t believe the Councils are free from doctrinal error?

[@CJJR25]

as a recent convert to the faith, it has been tough to understand/reconcile the Pope's actions in recent years. As someone going into the church trying to learn and understand, his actions did cause me some problems. It forced me to do plenty of research to understand, but some of his statements and actions didn't help me on my journey.

[@InExcelsisDeo24]

Try harder

[@libertasinveritas3198]

​@@InExcelsisDeo24be more charitable!

[@JGComments]

Well take comfort knowing that the Pope isn't personally infallible. He's only infallible when speaking on behalf of he worldwide church (all the bishops) on matters of faith and morals. The Lord upholds the Church and her teachings, not every word that comes out of the Pope's mouth.

[@libertasinveritas3198]

I feel you. Just be aware - Church teaching remains the same and we survived worse popes. ❤

[@CJJR25]

@@InExcelsisDeo24 I came to the church and I got past my problems, but just sharing what it was like as someone coming to the church. 🙏

[@somnathganapa5789]

I love Jacob Imam and Matt Fradd but isn't it easy for them to say obey the pope in all things while hiding in the Byzantine Liturgy? Consider how the situation is in which devout Catholics have their precious liturgy, that by which they come to know God in the most intimate way, has been torn away from them.

[@tm1830]

Hiding?

[@jonahstephens2904]

Why do you think it's being torn from us? Pope Francis is (or at least his advisors are) convinced that the TLM has become a hotbed of schism. I haven't heard of an Eastern Catholic sedevacantist. Eastern Catholics are defined by their submission to the Roman Pontiff. You'd think that those of us who prefer the TLM would be too, but that simply isn't the case.

[@gunsgalore7571]

Well currently you can obey the pope in all things while going to Traditional Latin Mass... As someone who typically goes to Novus Ordo Masses, it would seem to me that even if the TLM was banned, which I oppose, communion with Rome is still more important than one's liturgy preferences. The right thing to do, as Catholics, would be to petition the Vatican on the matter. And one hard, unfortunate fact is that most "mad trads" will never do so. Why? Because even if they're not too lazy to post college essays about how bad the Novus Ordo supposedly is on KZbin comment sections, they are too lazy to write an actual letter.

[@BalthasarCarduelis]

​@@gunsgalore7571I see this rhetoric often, the use of the word "preference", and it's clever because preference and choice have connotations with heresy. I imagine that Cain could have said something similar to Abel about Abel's "preference".

[@flabiger]

​@@gunsgalore7571Also, it should be pointed out that the FSSP and ICKSP still are allowed to continue their apostolic mission of saying the TLM. Why? Because they clearly submit to the Roman Pontiff.

[@laurants]

6:00 I was fired from a parish for a handful of different reasons. Many of my colleagues knew that I got on the bad side of persons who did many questionable things within the walls of the offices. I was fed up with how our parish was being mismanaged. This was during 2020, so there was that uncertainty going on too. As it is today, I refuse to attend NO, unless under special circumstances (feast days, family events). We only go to an FSSP-run parish now. I still get some PTSD from attending NO masses because I know why things are done a certain way. Once the blue bag is broken it never goes back to it's original state. I cannot unsee how parishes are managed from the address to the diocese. So yeah, a little bit of schism in my heart for a short period of time.

[@np6697]

This isn't schism. Schism is always doctrine. These two bozos have it wrong and are stuck in the semantics and weeds of the practicality of Schism. The Office of the papacy and ecclesial body can't ever be understood apart from the fundamental doctrine of the Church. Vigano and many catholics are correct to suspect any erroneous teaching from the valid office(s) as illicit and should be investigated as invalid. But practically the church is run by humans, so... schism no, contempt yes. And one shouldn't conflate the two.

[@susand3668]

I am very sorry that you have gone through that experience. And very glad that you are not in complete schism from the Church the Lord founded and is still guiding though His pope.

[@laurants]

@@susand3668 My wife asked why I still wanted to attend mass every weekend. After my firing we had an opportunity to find a new parish, so we attended different parishes every week for 8 months. Every mass I attended I found problems, until I stepped into the TLM ran by the FSSP. My kids were quiet, my mind was rested, and there were not any of the oddities that are normal for NO liturgies. I answered my wife by telling her that the Church is True, regardless of how it's managed in real time.

[@edz1624]

“If the world is against the truth, then I am against the world.” -- Saint Athanasius, excommunicated by Pope Liberius

[@phoenixaz8431]

If Jesus Christ was alive today, would he be friends with the Vatican or swiftly excommunicated and laicized?

[@edz1624]

If Jesus was here today. It would be the End of the World

[@phoenixaz8431]

@@edz1624 The end of times. Agreed. But take it as meaning : he wouldn't last a day with the current Vatican admnistration or on the Catholic Answers forum! Excommunicated and banned he would be.

[@MPFXT]

Amen!!! Perfectly appropos!

[@MeanBeanComedy]

​@@phoenixaz8431I highly doubt that.

[@kevingooley6189]

Pope Francis allegedly said to Archbishop Vigano, "No more conservative Bishops for the USA". This comment appears to have scandalised Archbishop Vigano. I find myself scandalised because it says the Pope has judged a group deemed to be "conservative" unworthy of being Bishops. Could this be correct attitude? Who are these Priests the Pope does not want to be Bishops? Are they opposed to the teachings of the Church in some way ? Is this not the type of division St Paul preached to the Corinthians about. Is this not the thing that Pope Clement preach to in today's Office of Readings: "We should put an end to this division immediately".

[@deutschermichel5807]

I think he might have meant people like Bishop Strickland who now shows his real face supporting Viganò. Keep in mind that Pope Francis seems to have a weird definition in his mind of “conservative”. He clearly has something negative in mind when he speaks about it.

[@quindariousgooch88]

​@@deutschermichel5807"what he ACTUALLY meant is..." 😂

[@deutschermichel5807]

@@quindariousgooch88 it really looks like it, though

[@Quekksilber]

You are spinning a lot out of these allegations. Bishop Oster, one of the few faithful bishops in Germany was appointed by Francis himself.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

No evidence of that. "Allegedly..." 🙄🙄🤦🏼‍♂️

[@torridlake6925]

The road to salvation is narrow

[@arturorivas4520]

I am not opposed to the excommunication of Vigano. Quite the contrary, I think more excommunications should be meted out: those lefty clergy like Martin SJ and semi-sede clergymen, etc.

[@deutschermichel5807]

Yes, sadly so

[@joelpenley9791]

Good point. Liberal lefty clergy are allowed to do all sorts of things that are causing damage to the faith. Not only do they get a free pass, but they get private audiences with the pope and promotions in the church.

[@sandraelder1101]

And prominent Catholics who obstinately promote abortion after their bishops have already cautioned them.

[@jkr6208]

2 Peter 2:1 "But false prophets also appeared among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves."

[@nathanvangoor4979]

Obviously the SSPX won't allow that. Normally the SSPX wouldn't need to react to people that they disagree with, but by involving Mgr. Lefebvre Vigano made it personal.

[@ThomasSt40]

"While we are certain that the faith the Church has taught for 20 centuries cannot contain error, we are much further from absolute certitude that the pope is truly pope [of 1976].” - Archbishop Lefebvre, 1976

[@torchbearerSN]

@@ThomasSt40 Being uncertain of whether a Pope is truly pope now constitutes schism? These stretches of people's words are getting insane. We have had anti-popes ruling in Rome before, not that I think any since Vatican II are, but it is absolutely a possibility. Don't be ignorant of the history of the papacy.

[@rayray1993]

It's ironic because the SSPX themselves have set up a counter church where they discourage attending a N.O. parish and they set up their own marriage tribunal and "remit" previous annulment against the Bishops of their districts. Seems like a counter Church to me lol, and I'm an Ex SSPXer.

[@nathanvangoor4979]

​@@rayray1993 Some protestants would claim Catholics holding the Bible as infallible is ironic as we venerate saints. They dismiss other reasonable interpretations in favour of their own. Similarly sedevacantism is a long shot from the position of the SSPX.

[@rayray1993]

@nathanvangoor4979 explain how holding your own marriage tribunal and removing lawful annulments that the Church declared because they're "given out like candy" -SSPX isn't a counter Church on top of highly discouraging people from attending N.O. parishes. It is a counter Church and the SSPX leads people to Sedevecantism eventually if you take their views to their logical conclusions. I did, it led me deeper down the rabbit hole until I wound up a Sede for a few months.

[@ep_med7822]

I was married at a Diocesan Latin Mass (RIP to those). I attend Mass at an SSPX chapel. I go to confession at a Novus Ordo Parish long notorious for being liberal (the current bishop put in trad priests and a third of attending parishioners bailed). I dare anyone to cry "schism"

[@deutschermichel5807]

what does “bailed” mean?

[@jt_schell]

@@deutschermichel5807 left

[@jdotoz]

Some bishops have directed their flocks to not receive Communion at SSPX chapels; you should probably check on your particular case.

[@ep_med7822]

@@jdotoz the Vatican has said you may do so without danger of schism so long as you do not have a "schismatic spirit"

[@ep_med7822]

@deutschermichel5807 they left because they were in the pride flag and BLM front yard sign cadre. All the priests did was preach on the four last things, and incorporate more incense and chant into the NO and those leaving cried about medieval repression.

[@susangoold1768]

I have a dear friend, very close to my heart. She has embraced the SSPX and now refuses to have communion in an NO church. To the point that she attended my brother’s funeral Mass (she almost didn’t per her new belief structure) and refused the Eucharist even when it was directly offered to her 😢 I don’t understand how you can be offered the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ and just nope out. I’m worried for her

[@minorityvoice9253]

She is fine. She does like the profanations displayed at NO masses and it's reduction of the sacredotal priesthood and the theology of propitious atonement the NO mass reduces. If she refused it from an extraordinary minister that is because she doesn't want to our Lord from unconnected hands because she values the host so much she would deny herself the host she loves so much to save herself from sacrilege. Which is what she probably views the handling of the eucharist from unconnected hands. She may get a bit acrupulous but she isn't NOT catholic. She'll be OK.

[@reba5679]

I attend SSPX and I do go to funeral masses at NO churches, but ask ahead of time if I can receive on the tongue by the priest.

[@torchbearerSN]

The Society is in communion with the Church. The official position of the Society regarding the Novus is that the Mass is valid, but it lacks several important aspects of tradition, and changed the Mass unnecessarily. I attend the Novus most weeks, but when I do, I outright refuse when the Eucharistic "minister" is the one distributing the Eucharist, it is a sacrilege that needs to be suppressed, their hands are not consecrated and should not touch it. The other thing is that there is so much scandal in some places with the Novus, that even seeing some of those abuses of the clergy, the "ministers" or the laity are incredibly horrific and can cause great distress.

[@jkr6208]

​@@torchbearerSNnot touch "it" but touch "Him"

[@torchbearerSN]

@@jkr6208 If you read the context, I would referring to the Body of the Lord. Read back to Trent and even the new Catechism when it technically refers to the Eucharist as an it. Still doesn't change my argument, people need to stop putting their hands on the Eucharist.

[@lgeef1631]

I do find the influencers that tell us to just take it easy are not those that have to sit through the all the craziness in the New mass and how come they get tradition and we do not in the Latin, rite

[@InExcelsisDeo24]

@@lgeef1631 craziness? What age are you? 🤣

[@lgeef1631]

A better question is why do every other rite get to maintain their tradition except the Latin.

[@InExcelsisDeo24]

@@lgeef1631 ​​⁠because the Latin is being abused and weaponised, resulting in schism, division, extremism, promotion of personal agendas, and disobedience, with some even saying it’s the only legitimate form of mass etc. This cannot hold. The Latin is not the issue, and people who engage in the referenced rhetoric and behaviour only have themselves to blame.

[@quindariousgooch88]

​​@@InExcelsisDeo24the same old script. No argument, no proof. Just script.

[@InExcelsisDeo24]

no proof? My goodness. Look around you.

[@irishmclass2042]

“School” is pronounced ‘skool’ so…sch is “sk! School and Schism!!! There!

[@JGComments]

@@irishmclass2042 I’m looking forward to my next ice cream sundae with “maraSKino” cherries then!! Lol

[@irishmclass2042]

@@JGComments Yes, you’ve got it right!!

[@christopherfeeney1962]

But none of us say we have a pair of SKISors, we say SISors.

[@irishmclass2042]

@@christopherfeeney1962 yes and that is spelled “scissors”

[@christopherfeeney1962]

@@irishmclass2042 But it's the same root word. "To cut" "to separate" "to tear apart" Overall, I really don't think the pronunciation of the word really matters all that much, actually.

[@flabiger]

The African church (which rad-trads -rightly-love to proclaim its traditional values) is growing at an exponential rate. What liturgy may I ask is converting the thousands of souls? And what Mass do the modern day African martyrs attend?

[@ThomasSt40]

But Africa has, looking at a plethora of statements from bishops and cardinals there, rejected Fiducia Supplicans.

[@granmabern5283]

My SSPX spiritual director told us there are Saints being sanctified in the NO, which is valid. He is still staunchly faithful to the Tridentine Rite. Father Ripperger explained the situation from an interesting perspective... he said that before the early 1960’s, most exorcisms took a few days to a few weeks for total deliverance. Now, in 2024, most take about THREE YEARS. How many people would be converting in Africa if ALL the Masses were offered in the Tridentine Rite??? It’s not a problem that is confined to ritual, even if the two rituals are at the heart of the problem...

[@flabiger]

​@@ThomasSt40Did they reject it as a legitimate magisterial blessing? Or did they just choose not to implement as a matter of prudence? Straight from the SECAM proclamation: "In their various messages, the Episcopal Conferences of the Church Family of God in Africa begin by reaffirming their unwavering attachment to the Successor of Peter, their communion with him and their fidelity to the Gospel. They recognize collectively that the Church’s doctrine on marriage and the family remains unchanged. They all noted the passages where Fiducia supplicans reaffirmed this traditional position of the Church and explicitly excluded the recognition of homosexual marriage."

[@ThomasSt40]

@@flabiger A mixed bag as to why. And multiple Catholic news outlets reported that it was rejected in Eastern Europe about forty percent in W. Europe rejected it, about half of C/S America rejected it. It's okay. Cope.

[@flabiger]

​@@ThomasSt40So the African church didn't reject it then?

[@pinknickelvidz]

SORRY: but, the 'common good' is not synonymous with the most 'popular good'.

[@deutschermichel5807]

The Kingdom of God is not a democracy

[@Quekksilber]

I don't think that equivocation was made anywhere?

[@stephanieserblowski2092]

Appreciate your show, just wondering if you could you put a warning if there is going to be profanity in your videos at the beginning? Or better yet bleep it out :)

[@fossil-bit8439]

It’s rare but it does happen every once in a while. I’ve only seen/heard swearing in the long form interviews as many have subject matter that isn’t suitable for children anyway, which this is edited from. He has explained before that he allows it to keep it organic (for lack of a better term). He does however bleep out any blasphemy with Our Lord’s Name as he did in the Jordan Peterson interview. I suppose a warning before wouldn’t hurt.

[@alaskabeachboy]

Psalm 105:15 How many of the prophets of old were found to have been lacking in charity and to have esteemed too little the value of fellowship? “More: I can’t give in, Howard. Our friendship’s more mutable than that. Duke of Norfolk: Oh, the one fixed point in the world of turning friendship…is that Thomas More won’t give in.”

[@johnmarx3919]

A Man for All Seasons - one of my faves!

[@chief_redcloud]

Church is at a cross roads with Francis. He has NOT United but has frequently caused confusion and division. Don’t recall when the Gospel or Christ isn’t clear as day. Didn’t Francis reactivate a prior clergyman involved in mollestation around 2018? What’s the argument in defense of that?

[@oldtimmy9481]

May want to recant that statement, for it is condemned by the Catholic Church. Council of Vatican I "CHAPTER I. ON THE INSTITUTION OF THE APOSTOLIC PRIMACY IN BLESSED PETER. We therefore teach and declare that, according to the testimony of the Gospel, the primacy of jurisdiction over the universal Church of God was immediately and directly promised and given to Blessed Peter the Apostle by Christ the Lord. For it was to Simon alone, to whom he had already said, "You shall be called Cephas" (John 1:42), that the Lord, after the confession made by him, saying, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God", addressed these solemn words: "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father, who is in heaven. And I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound, even in heaven. And whatever you shall release on earth shall be released, even in heaven." (Mt 16:16-19). And it was upon Simon alone that Jesus, after His Resurrection, bestowed the jurisdiction of Chief Pastor and Ruler over all His fold, by the words: "Feed my lambs. Feed my sheep." (John 21:15-17). At open variance with this clear doctrine of Holy Scripture, as it has ever been understood by the Catholic Church, are the perverse opinions of those who, while they distort the form of government established by Christ the Lord in His Church, deny that Peter, in his single person, preferably to all the other Apostles, whether taken separately or together, was endowed by Christ with a true and proper primacy of jurisdiction; or of those who assert that the same primacy was not bestowed immediately and directly upon Blessed Peter himself, but upon the Church, and through the Church on Peter as her Minister. If anyone, therefore, shall say that Blessed Peter the Apostle was not appointed the Prince of all the Apostles and the visible Head of the whole Church Militant; or that the same, directly and immediately, received from the same, Our Lord Jesus Christ, a primacy of honor only, and not of true and proper jurisdiction; let him be anathema."

[@NJWEBER18]

I thought the priest was not reactivated but only had his excommunication lifted after the priest followed all directives, which included his defrocking I think. Though I think another case was brought up against him afterwards. Either way, an excommunication is not meant to be temporary, the individual is meant to repent and have it lifted.

[@flabiger]

I think its fine to point out double standards. But one should be careful to ensure it doesn't drift into whataboutism. I think your comment slides more closely to the latter. There MAY be some indefensible actions from the Vatican that you have mentioned. That, however, doesn't excuse schismatic behavior.

[@ThomasSt40]

The schismatic🇩🇪bishops didn't back down. They went ahead and voted39-8 in favor of sameS🙌 for certainmaRRiages against Francis saying no, fifteen months later not one excommunicated; Selective excommunications. Excommunicated Viganó... Lands the schismaticLuther with a stamp... Accepts his statue. Said he "did not err" on Justification when Luther was excommunicated over that error and others... The Council of Trent and popes then and afterwards condemned him. And then there was the schismaticAnglicans in Rome kerfuffle he allowed. It will be interesting if he ever gets around to figuring out whom the realschismatics are.

[@ThomasSt40]

The schismatic🇩🇪bishops didn't back down. They went ahead and voted39-8 in favor of sameS🙌 for certainmaRRiages against Francis saying no, fifteen months later not one excommunicated; Selective excommunications. Excommunicated Viganó... Lands the schismaticLuther with a stamp... Accepts his statue. Said he "did not err" on Justification when Luther was excommunicated over that error and others as the Council pointed out in detail he did err onJustification. The Council of Trent and popes then and afterwards condemned him. And then there was the schismaticAnglicans in Rome kerfuffle he allowed. It will be interesting if he ever gets around to figuring out whom the realschismatics are.

[@Eugene0993]

It's so sad to see that a lot of people online have developed/developing a schismatic mentality.

[@Calmage]

The most immediate example that comes to mind for the second part of the definition of schism, and Matt almost touched on it, is the SSPX stance that their parishioners should not attend diocesan mass, but if they do attend, they should abstain from communion.

[@eddiej9733]

V1’s v V3’s, with the V2’s (majority) caught in the crossfire But the stouches are raising so many issues that need the average Joe (and Jill) to investigate more deeply….enriching one’s formation. So the divisions are ironically leading most to a much deeper knowledge, a much deeper understand, and a much deeper devotion and prayer

[@pattypaparella]

I am not sure if Francis is pope. The truth could go either way, and I would not be surprised. New Jersey just had a "Pride Mass," and they are not alone in celebrating the first sin of pride. Father James Martin adorned Our Lady in pride colors and he is always welcomed at the Vatican. Austria just depicted Our Lady in a vulgar way with a statue called, "the Crowning," Imagine. Where are the pope's rebukes? As a Catholic, I feel it is his job to correct these things. Instead, he hates me. My pope, hates me because I am a traditional Catholic. Imagine. If Francis is found to be a saint in the future, I would be surprised, but Vigano can go either way. He may be very wrong, or he may be the current John the Baptist warning those who are in charge of the children of God that, "...the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree that does not yield good fruit will be cut down and cast into the fire."

[@javaman8895]

Pope Francis doesn’t hate you.

[@luke9747]

Patty, as Catholics, we have to accept him as the pope. Sedevecantism is a mortal sin in the eyes of the church. The 1st Vatican Council stated "If anyone, therefore, shall say that Blessed Peter the Apostle was not appointed the Prince of all the Apostles and the visible Head of the whole Church Militant; or that the same, directly and immediately, received from the same, Our Lord Jesus Christ, a primacy of honor only, and not of true and proper jurisdiction; let him be anathema..... ...If then, any should deny that it is by the institution of Christ the Lord and by Divine right, that Blessed Peter should have a perpetual line of successors in the Primacy over the Universal Church, or that the Roman Pontiff' is the successor of Blessed Peter in this primacy; let him be anathema(excommunicated)" People who are adding to the confusion around this are not helping anyone

[@pattypaparella]

@@luke9747 He is my Pope unless otherwise determined. But I don't know it it will be otherwise determined. It would not surprise me if a future Pope undoes everything this Pope did. But, I wonder if you read my whole post. My Pope hates me. That is difficult as one within his flock.

[@pattypaparella]

@@luke9747 please read my whole post. I suspect you read the first sentence and responded.

[@luke9747]

@@pattypaparella pope Francis does not hate you or anyone...

[@wishIwuzskiing]

What was said at the very end , for me, is the most salient point. We see obvious situations, cases and events where our Pontiff is silent or tacidly supports, things that are well outside Catholic teaching, and either nothing is done or the response is so mild as to be meaningless. And if the events, issues were overlooked by a Bishop under a previous Pope, that Bishop would have definitely been corrected. I agree that we need to be charitable, to pray for the Pope, whoever it is. But what happens when it's the Pope who is being uncharitable, allowing confusion, participation in ceremonies clearly not within the church? Who has the place, the responsibility to offer correction? Is there any precedent for a Pope being corrected, in charity?

[@WarIsNoMoreCold]

There are many saints who corrected their respective Popes in a very kind way.

[@wishIwuzskiing]

@@WarIsNoMoreCold agreed that it should be done in charity

[@flabiger]

Donum Veritatis should give you the answers to your questions.

[@jonasknox4368]

St Paul correcting St Peter

[@johnosumba1980]

Name one thing he knew and kept quite about? Where do you get your information from?

[@kevingooley6189]

This was a useful discussion. Too often (in this age of emotivism) we forget the meaning of the word.

[@mjLes18]

Of course the SSPX won’t back Vigano! Francis gave them a particular autorisation allowing them to continue to celebrate the TLM while trying to suppress the TLM for everyone else! The devil’s tactic, divide and conquer 😢 Just like these two guys… they get to keep their Byzantin rite… So where’s the problem?

[@TheCa14mzik]

Example of refusing to be in communion with others - What about TLM catholics who thinks of NO going catholics like dirt on their feet and would rather read scripture at home than attend an NO on sunday if TLM is not available? It feels like the only thing missing for them to say is that Christ is not present in the Novus Ordo mass

[@loreman7267]

Far too many of them do, it seems.

[@figeon]

This is such a slanderous statement. The vast, VAST majority of people who typically attend the TLM have no problems at all with the Novus Ordo mass, nor with the people who attend it.

[@TheCa14mzik]

@figeon then you are not the demographic I am referring to. It is not slander because I have seen this hatred for their catholic brethren. I joined an SSPX Facebook group before cause I had an admiration for the piety of the TLM community, and I was heartbroken. The comments I read were very disheartening. They were saying terrible things about people who attend the Novus Ordo and I understand that there is some merit in their grievances but the things they were saying were judgemental and uncharitable. Their spiritual pride was so evident, I could taste it. Now that I am more aware now, their comments were bordering on schismatic. I expected more christian charity from my more pious brethren. There was also great disrespect for the pope and comments that were bordering on sedevacantist. In the end, I had to leave the group cause they were saying terrible things about Bl. Carlo Acutis who is going to be canonised shortly. Like what sort of laity talks smack and disrespects a person who is about to become a saint? Did they see themselves holier than Bl. Carlo that they could say the things they said? It was toxic but on the other end of the catholic spectrum. Terribly disappointing to see but it was soberingly eye opening

[@granmabern5283]

I think I’m a TLM Catholic. We were told not to go to the NO Mass, because of the many sacrilegious attitudes written into it. We have NEVER been taught anything against Catholics who do go to the NO.

[@granmabern5283]

@@figeon SSPX teaches that the NO mass is problematic in itself. Valid, if and when it is respectfully offered. But problematic, because truncated and vague and was concocted to please protestants, with the help of protestants. We have NEVER EVER been taught to be disrespectful to others. My spiritual director taught us that Saints are being sanctified in the NO, which is valid. He gave His life for the Tridentine Rite and for keeping Traditional Doctrines and Dogma alive. He still does.

[@IslamicOrigins]

1:43 This is nonsense. This isn't a case of refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff but doubt about whether he is in fact the pope given numerous problems with how he was elected and the abundant examples of heretical teaching. Therefore, Vigano can with good conscience not see Francis as pope, especially as Francis has not raised a finger to respond to numerous dubia. Currently, a large number of Catholics consider Francis an anti-pope. Until, clarity is brought to bear, no obligation exists to a Pachamama worshipping anti-pope.

[@joelpenley9791]

I agree. They are not really analyzing the actual issue, but just glossing over what is happening.

[@Quekksilber]

That statue was Our Lady of the Amazon. Stop spreading lies. Not responding to some dubia doesn't make someone an anti-pope. Francis was and is pretty much universally accepted by all bishops around the world as Pope. He is the pope.

[@jeffbrewster7475]

​@@QuekksilberNot true; Francis himself denied that the idol was a representation of Our Lady.

[@darkstorm207]

@@jeffbrewster7475 Jeff, the Pope never denied that the idol was a representation of Our Lady. He called them "the Pachamama" because that is what the media was calling them. In fact, two hours after the Pope made that comment, Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni clarified that the Pope used the word as a means to identify the statues because that is the way they had become known in the Italian media and not as a reference to the goddess. Search for a Reuters news article titled "Pope asks forgiveness for theft of controversial Amazon statues". So no, it was not Pachamama. By the way, Pachamama comes from the Andes mountains, not from the Amazon, which is where the people at the event came from. It would not make any sense for people from the Amazon to carry an idol from the Andes. Furthermore, the woman who presented the statue to the Pope said that it depicted a Marian icon, Our Lady of the Amazon. The same woman crossed herself several times during the same event. You can see for yourself by searching on KZbin for the video of the event: "Pope Francis-Feast of Saint Francis 2019-10-04". The words "Our Lady of the Amazon" (in Spanish, "Nuestra Señora de la Amazonía") can be heard at the 13:27 mark. God bless you.

[@Andrewmichealsmith]

Who made you the pope?

[@pravoslavy5]

Spot on.

[@Franciscan_Bro]

Gentlemen ~ thank you for this video. Today @ Mass in Santa Fe’s Cathedral Basilica I saw right above the Archbishop’s chair the painted words”abide in Christ”. If we do that then we would naturally abide in the primacy of Peter… Pax et Bonum

[@user-uy8wx4pk4h]

Bergolgio is not the pope though

[@deutschermichel5807]

​@@user-uy8wx4pk4hhe is, my protestant friend

[@phoenixaz8431]

@@deutschermichel5807 Doubting that someone presenting himself as the pope is in fact the pope is not protestantism, though. *Especially* if the alleged pope is acting contrary to what you expect from the vicar of Christ on earth. If there was a rule that stated that you had to have an 80 IQ to be able to post, we wouldn't get to see your meaningless verbiage.

[@Jeremiah59]

The question is not who is the pope. But what is the faith and what is not the faith.

[@gregorybarrett4998]

It's fair to recognise that these are distinct questions. It's also fair to recognise that each has its own legitimate domain. But something that your comment seems to overlook is that part of the faith which demands your belief and submission and obedience is that God rules His Church through His living reigning pope. Just as this was true even in days which stretched into long years of previous unsatisfactory popes who provoked crises, scandals, schism, and heresies, so it is true in our day. Just as it was true in their day, so it is true in our day that there is and can be no excuse for rebellion, notwithstanding severe provocation.

[@Jeremiah59]

@@gregorybarrett4998 St Paul said that we are justified by faith. If one does not believe in the real presence of the eucharist vs not believing Francis to be the pope. the pope debate seems to me to be a distraction. It is not the issue of most importance. The question of faith seems to be of more significance than who and who is not the pope. When it come to salvation of souls. Jesus says we have to be charitable and forgive. We are all human, and we make mistakes. We may have a pope who is not catechetically sound, I believe the priority should be the maintenance of the knowledge of the faith. Pope francis is in the process of devolving power it seems, so this may become even more of a moot point. With respect to papal obedience. But I guess that will come down to tests of loyalty, what is the price pope francis will expect?

[@gregorybarrett4998]

@@Jeremiah59 Hi, Jeremiah. Thanks for your reply. I agree that there is great advantage to knowing the faith, also so that we can recognise the hierarchy of goods and the hierarchy of truths. One of the joys of the knowledge of the content of the doctrine of the faith is that faith is simple, so that having faith at all implies at least interpretive reception of the fullness of revelation. Accordingly we can be at peace in the assurance of things not seen, including that the Holy Spirit will protect the Church from any binding demand from the Pope to betray the faith.

[@Quekksilber]

Yes, and you don't answer these questions without the Pope...

[@Jeremiah59]

@@Quekksilber that's fine and dandy But what if the pope contradicts previous popes? Are we supposed to forget what previous popes have said?

[@Martha_DC]

9:01 technically speaking there is no degree of schism the way Jacob is trying to describe it. The Catholic faith must provide an objective standard for determining of someone is in schism or not. By doing so it can the provide solid guidance to the faithful on who to trust in matters of faith and morals. I.e. I would no longer be following Vigano's advice on faith and morals now that he has been affirmed in schism when last year he proclaimed that Pope Francis is not the true Pope, and that he rejects Vatican 2

[@Consume_Crash]

When does the full episode come out on YT?

[@carolherbert1042]

No Catholic should obey what is clearly against God .

[@susand3668]

Yes, and Vigano and his ilk are teaching what is clearly against the Church founded by Jesus Christ.

[@Jeremiah59]

Schism is dividing the church over trivial matters. I.e. there is moral duty to work things out and maintain unity.

[@patrickdean4853]

True enough; however (and this is not a defense of Vigano) Francis has become a negative force in the Church and it must be recognized as such. I thank the Holy Spirit for holding Francis back from outright heresy … the errors so well implanted into his formal education at the hands of South American Jesuits. He is a man steeped in Liberation Theology & the errors of Teilhard and Arrupe. It’s no small wonder that he has not pronounced something that would leave him objectively guilty of formal heresy.

[@deutschermichel5807]

​@@patrickdean4853 I guess it just comes with having a special wire to the Holy Spirit

[@IslamicOrigins]

Trivial things? There is nothing trivial about saying LGBT is compatible with Christian teaching, or applauding abortion advocates. I could 10 more examples.

[@patrickdean4853]

@@IslamicOrigins perhaps the commenter chose the wrong word in “trivial”, but I take the point. To your point, yes … there are many, many issues far more grave and almost all can be placed at the feet of Francis. In my minds eye, I take guilty pleasure in imagining the next pope, upon taking office, makes it his immediate priority to suppress the entire Jesuit Order, world wide. That would be a fitting, final commentary on the Society of Jesus.

[@Jeremiah59]

@@IslamicOrigins that would come under heresy, not schism. Heresy is about doctrine usually

[@calpol3314]

Hi wouldn't it fall in a category of "schism: for blessing same sex couples and its not aligned to what the pope says or any of its members? Enlighten me please or maybe i have to review the topics again.

[@cbjorlo]

Francis affirmed giving blessings to individuals in a same sex coupling- not blessing the union. We all sin after all so why should I be blessed with my sinful nature while another is not?

[@Quekksilber]

Yes, that could be an example. Trying to ordain a woman is also one.

[@phoenixaz8431]

@@cbjorlo You fell for that?🤦‍♂James Martin, SJ, publically blessed a homosexual couple (two men), you can read about it in the New York Times. Can we expect harsh words, censure or excommunication in the following days?🙄Bruh.

[@cbjorlo]

@@phoenixaz8431 Fair point. I’m not Catholic but have been attending Mass for the past year in search of traditional community values. How have you dealt with your faith in regards to our seemingly liberal Pope?

[@phoenixaz8431]

@@cbjorlo The Pope (provided he is the pope) has absolutely nothing to do with my faith per se. I just see the untold damage he does to the Church, to the body of Christ, to sinners who need to hear the fullness of the gospel and to the TLM, the mass of ages. If you find a solid parish with a solid, faithful, orthodx (small ''o'') pastor, you're good to go. And for full transparency, I worry about Francis changing the words of consecration at some point down the road. But none of that keeps you from going to mass, confession, receiving the Eucharist, going to eucharistic adoration etc.

[@thesipesisrandom4534]

Vigano is insane. He actually did the crap with McCarrick that he accused Francis of! It's sad how people have missed out following the awesome Real Pope by following this guy. Lord have Mercy on Him!

[@sandraelder1101]

Who is Jacob Imam? Curious.

[@IslamicOrigins]

St Paul, like Vigano, would be termed schismatic today, for doing the same, giving fraternal correction to Peter. The difference is that Francis runs the papacy as a dictatorship, and not as a vicar of Christ.

[@Quekksilber]

That's an absolutely horrible comparison. You'd never hear St. Paul say "I regard my excommunication trial as an honor."

[@IslamicOrigins]

@@Quekksilber But Francis is no Peter, so Peter would never put him in that position.

[@sandraelder1101]

NO! St. Paul did not question St. Peter’s authority and he only disagreed with him on one matter of Church discipline. You can tell how unusual it was by the way he speaks of it as a big deal.

[@damnmexican90]

@@sandraelder1101 St. Paul rebuked him, that wasn'ta matter of "disagreement" it was rebuking him for his cowardice

[@sandraelder1101]

@@damnmexican90 My points stand.

[@TheJmlew11]

I hate how Catholics who seem to be perpetually online are defending this and not standing with the Holy Father.

[@quindariousgooch88]

Kinda hard to do that when Pope Francis does everything in his power to make ANYONE who has any love for the tradition of the latin rite, to be miserable. also "muh terminally online" argument is outdated

[@workinpromo]

@@quindariousgooch88 Stop lying, the Holy Father said to the FSSP that they are doing good work with the Latin Mass and should keep going. What the Holy Father doesn't like however is the people who weaponize the TLM to mock the NO or make the NO invalid compared to the TLM. This is why he has been harsher and if we want things to get better we must obey Pope Francis instead of opposing him at every turn like hopelessly wicked children. The Holy Father was completely right to restrict the TLM, just go look at channels like "Return to Tradition" which are full of schismatics holding onto the TLM, or Taylor Marhshall's channel where 55% or so of his audience is schismatic he did a pool. That's ridiculous. So amen to Pope Francis for dealing with this.

[@luke9747]

​@@workinpromo100%. The traditionalists are the ones making him restrict the TLM because all they do is bash the pope, Vatican 2, the novus ordo. The pope knows the danger of sedevecantism, SSPX who reject Vatican 2 and think only their masses are valid, etc.

[@markye8057]

​@@workinpromoStop lying that it's everyone he has made it hard for when it is just *most* everyone?

[@chief_redcloud]

Holy father has caused massive division. He has politicized the office in a way that is gross and destructive. Can’t be argued.

[@lcem1154]

I have felt so heartsick by the Pope and the Vatican in recent years. Through prayer and guidance from the Holy Spirit, I follow the Bible (with the perspective of the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed) AND the Catechism of the Church. I stay on that path and listen to those who teach from those two sources. So whatever is said in a confusing manner by the Pope or from the Vatican does not steal my joy and peace.

[@Isaiah53-FL]

Private judgement? 🤔

[@loreman7267]

I have come to realise that conservative Catholic media have been deliberately omitting to report on documents and responses by the current Pope. I can only assume it's because of their Latin Mass zealotry. It's truly horrifying. Reason and Theology, a channel on YT, and Voice of Reason, on YT & Instagram, have been doing the heavy lifting.

[@MillionthUsername]

@@loreman7267 What is "Latin mass zealotry"? Is that when one defends the ancient received rites of the Church from modernist anti-Catholic destroyers? If it's "horrifying" to you that people would defend the mass of the ages, what does that say of you?

[@keepers...]

What Saint was excommunicated at least twice? 😅

[@Quekksilber]

I don't know. Being excommunicated isn't the thing that makes you a saint, though.

[@prestonowens4594]

What is the SSPX? Is that still in Communion with Rome? I met some people on the Walk to Mary in Wisconsin and they recommended that I go to an SSPX parish. I’m a Protestant trying to learn more about Catholicism, so I’m just curious. Is that like an Eastern Catholic thing?

[@BernadetteVanBlerk]

SSPX is not in communion with the Catholic Church. They do not have a pope.

[@luke9747]

Preston, good question. I am praying for you! They are a special situation. I care about your soul, and I would not recommend ever going to sspx mass. The SSPX offers the traditional Latin mass, but the issue is that they don't do it with permission from the pope. They are not in communion with Rome because they reject the 2nd Vatican council. Pope Benedict XVI stated that "The SSPX rejects doctrinal aspects of the Catholic faith, and they have NO legitimate authority in the Catholic church" that means if you go to an SSPX, it does NOT fulfill your Sunday obligation. I would recommend asking your bishop if you are allowed to go to SSPX mass to fulfill your obligation. I believe the answer would be no, everywhere you ask. May God bless you! FSSP on the other hand, is in full communion with Rome. Your soul is at stake, I would recommend you do not associate with anything that is not 100% authorized by the Roman catholic church.

[@prestonowens4594]

@@luke9747 hello, I am currently not Catholic and so I do not know whom is my bishop. I don’t attend any parishes right now, although Patrick Madrid told me I should go check it out. Currently I do not believe in the true presence in the Eucharist, and I feel it would be a lie for me to go get baptized into the Catholic Church without believing in the cornerstone of their theological belief. What is the FSSP by the way?

[@rogersmead9503]

It honestly depends on who you ask. SSPX would say they are traditional Catholics who still participate under the Latin Rite. They recognize Pope Francis but do not participate in ecumenism or modernism within the church. Diocesan Catholics (who you probably meet most often) would say that they are in schism like the Eastern Orthodox Church. If you’re just getting started, I’d not worry about the details just now. Maybe go to a Mass or two and check out a Latin Mass if you feel up to it.

[@luke9747]

@@prestonowens4594 ahh, if you Google which Catholic Diocese your town is a part of, you can find who the Bishop of that diocese is. The Bishop has authority by Christ's blood over the flock of their diocese's area. Patrick Madrid recommended you check out the SSPX or a Catholic parish? I would say that to some extent, faith is an act of the will more than it is knowing something intellectually. If you do not feel that the Eucharist is the Lord, you can still believe it is Him. Faith is to believe the words the Lord speaks. In the Bible we see that the Lord speaks and it has the power to create the world. If you choose to believe the Lord's words in John 6, he tells the crowd about 5 times that truly He would give his body to us as food to eat, and that is the eucharist

[@danoctavian8184]

5:30 what about the German church?

[@RealSeanithan]

I say "schism" like "Fo' schism my nism"

[@augustissimamusicaportugue5275]

There is no crisis in the church? What obedience can have a children which is sent to sin by his father? Can the children say no, and be thrown away from his father house? Is there any fault in the children if she leaves and pray for his father?

[@Mike_and_Ike-xb3io]

Obedience is an overplayed hand. Read page 237 of the Council of Trent. Do you believe Francis carries a staff? Or does he wield a sword?

[@phoenixaz8431]

@@Mike_and_Ike-xb3io That's the Church's useful idiots and deplorables' go-to argument: ''If you don't bow to everything pope Fwanciss says and does, you're a Protestant/schismatic''

[@trumpwonjoecheated5564]

I am attending SSPX chapel, but I stand with Vigano and pray for his excellency.

[@sandraelder1101]

Curious. Why do you not attend a local parish liturgy?

[@trumpwonjoecheated5564]

@@sandraelder1101 I am curious as to why are you curious?

[@sandraelder1101]

@@trumpwonjoecheated5564 just wondering (as in nosy)

[@michellestansberry9101]

Of course they do. They're not going to rock the boat and risk loosing there rites

[@Meteor_pending]

On a different note, do you plan on having Brandon Vogt on the show?

[@quadrga]

This is like fundamentalist KJV only baptists vs southern baptists / textus receptus vs majority text. It's basically 1:1 but replace scripture with tradition.

[@timmoore9736]

As an aside, JP2 went out of his way to not excommunicate the SSPX; which is not to say that he did not have grounds to do so; rather he chose (and Pope benedict contiuned) to try to negotiate to settle the issues which the four bishops (as leaders of the group) continued to insist upon. They are irregular; although one might wonder how long that status will continue.

[@torridlake6925]

This video is nothing about Vigano, only discussing 1 word schism the entire video. Click bait warning.

[@javaman8895]

Vigano is a schismatic

[@user-uy8wx4pk4h]

@@javaman8895 Your fake pope is schismatic.

[@matthewcruz1709]

I hope the SSPX position on Vigano causes you to think more deeply about their position. I've not seen anything on PWA that takes SSPX seriously. I'm afraid that at this point many Catholics are wilfully ignorant of the response to the crisis SSPX have taken, without doing the reading themselves. Please don't just write them off. SSPX belongs neither to the modernist, nor sedevacantist spirits.

[@Quekksilber]

Their founder was a schismatic though. It's better to stay away from that, since they cherish his actions.

[@matthewcruz1709]

@@Quekksilber no, that's not actually true.

[@Quekksilber]

@@matthewcruz1709 He ordained four bishops without Rome's approval. That's a schismatic act and he was excommunicated for it.

[@matthewcruz1709]

@@Quekksilber do you know why the requirement for papal approval was introduced and when?

[@BlakeRobert777]

If the Roman Church and Pope Francis accepts gay marriages as biblical, use Covid 19 as a down play of a mini Sunday Law, and high jacking peace by flattering with climate change, etc, is the pope not guilty? Schism didn't happen out of the blue. The Lord allowed it to happen so that the predictions in the bible about the end of time are validated. Praise God for using Vigano.

[@1951kvk]

I'm willing to bet that there are numerous Catholics who feel what Vigano has said out loud. Neither the SSPX or the FSSP will criticize Francis for fear of retaliation. A couple of years ago one of our FSSP priests criticized Francis in public and the next thing you know he was gone from our parish.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

If they feel the way Viganò does, then they're not Catholics either. Have fun being Protestant, boyo!

[@quindariousgooch88]

​@@ignatiusjackson235you're doing more harm than good

[@Quekksilber]

As he should.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

@@1951kvk Those "catholics" are, in fact, protestants.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

@@1951kvk If you don't follow the Pope, you're not Catholic. That's not a controversial thing to say.

[@ReminisceLogic]

I think we all need a moment of stillness. Vigano has the very deep details to abhorrent scandals in Rome, Vatican Bank and America. There is definitely more to this entire story and I pray God purifies any evil within the church. Pray Pray Pray

[@joshuaa7813]

I find it strange that people only seem to care about the lack of submission to the current pope and not the fact that this person was shedding light on abhorrent acts being committed and was ignored.

[@luke9747]

​​@@joshuaa7813Vigano did some really good things in that time back then. No doubt. I had a sweatshirt with his face on it back then. But he cannot continue to reject the pope. I pray he repents

[@brianflynn5722]

I pray for the pope’s conversation everyday.

[@joshuaa7813]

@@luke9747 I have a question then, if a pope knows about sexual abuse and either covers it up or ignores it after finding out about it is he still legitimate?

[@madgiemadgie9128]

Are you aware that in 2012 the Vatican gave Vigano instructions on how to deal with Mccarick , which he didn’t implement?? Always make sure you READ every document available. Vigano was covering his own back by appearing to be a whistleblower. All is not as it seems. His disobedience should be a red flag to you. How many saints have suffered for years, in silence, and later vindicated?? Did Padre Pio start throwing tantrums against injustice? He trusted in The Holy Spirit!

[@amanotadequebranto]

does heresy imply schism? at least to the extent that when you're exposing heresy and you refuse to comply in the event that you're corrected, that seems to me to be a failure to submit, and therefore, schism

[@Thundah_Dome]

We should pray for Vigano and those he convinced that his schismatic words were correct.

[@phoenixaz8431]

Also pray for James Martin that he would start preaching repentance and stop blessing same-sex *COUPLES*

[@macabeo]

You are losing it. Vigano is the only one who said the truth. Too much pints and few Aquinas

[@sandraelder1101]

Vigano is the only one?

[@phoenixaz8431]

@@sandraelder1101 ''Too many pints and too few Aquinas''😂😂😂 Pretty much, save a few

[@sandraelder1101]

@@phoenixaz8431 No. no. I meant Vigano not beers. That’s funny.

[@phoenixaz8431]

@@sandraelder1101 I was quoting the OP, THEN answering your question.

[@np6697]

Matt is a coward and grifter. Sometimes theres no mean in between. Most of the times, there just is no there there

[@phoenixaz8431]

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯 I said ''effeminate'' in another post, but this is masterfully, brilliantly put.👌''Coward and grifter'' Anyone at Catholic Answers who sticks their neck out for Vigano? Patrick Coffin left the ship. Good for him.

[@thesipesisrandom4534]

American Catholics hate Francis because he actually speaks out against Usury... Francis speaks oit firmly against sin, while also firmly loving the sinner. He's an excellent Pope! The slander against him by Catholics is disgusting.

[@petros-estin-petra-]

That's a disgusting title and nothing to laugh about. It's about our eternal salvation

[@giovillalobos2273]

If you like your Novus Ordo good for you, no one is threatening to shut down your liturgy. I’ll trust my family’s faith formation to the Mass that formed Saints like Padre Pio and Maximilian Kolbe.

[@adrianarceo2809]

What do you mean “your liturgy “. Your word choice would suggest that you have been possessed by the spirit of division.

[@meganne6937]

The Novos Ordo shaped Saint Pope John Paul II, Mother Theresa of Calcutta, and future Saint Blessed Carlo Acutis.

[@soldierofmary984]

​@meganne6937 unfortunately many tad trads don't believe they are saints. Very, very sad. So much division.

[@firstname7856]

@@meganne6937 John Paul II was nearly 50 when the Ordinary Form was introduced, Mother Teresa was nearly 60. It did not shape them, it might have provided them with fruits, but it is disingenuous to claim that it shaped them

[@thefunkslamdunk9224]

@@adrianarceo2809 this made me laugh a lot, thanks.

[@jackieo8693]

I refuse to go along with the covid jab and other nonsense. Even though the Pope went along. Does that mean I'm not in submission?

[@soldierofmary984]

The documents from the Pope are very clear that it's not an obligation to get the vaccine. Where in the documents did he say we have to? The problem is many people are decieved by the media.

[@lee5802]

Dont forget the pope pushes climate change

[@oldtimmy9481]

So Covid shot part of the Deposit of the Faith? Because most Certainly Pope Francis never stated that.

[@soldierofmary984]

The Pope didn't say we need to take the vaccine. The documents from the Pope clearly says you are not obligated.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

I don't even think you could spell "ecclesiology."

[@user-dg7qv8yu7b]

Protestant Church was recognized by Rome Catholic Church as a brother in faith, namely the CHURCH OF CHRIST, not heresy ( KV2 ) ... IF the anathema against M. Luther was heresy, of course the GKR would refuse to recognize M. Luther / Protestan as a brother in faith because it deviated from the truth of the Bible, on the other hand, if the anathema was because it was not in accordance with the rules of the GKR, but still in accordance with the truth of the Bible, then Rome Catholic Church would still recognize Protestan as a brother in the faith (Church of Christ). ... which one is correct? Different Cases from Arius - Jehovah's Witness / Sabelius - Pentecostal Oneness who was anathema because against the Bible (rejecting Trinitarian God) so They was not recognized as a brother in the faith / not the Church of Christ. I see that Bishop Vigano's case is similar to Martin Luther's case, was he excommunicated/ heresy just for going against GKR rules??

[@15DecadesDaily]

So-called 'charity' of the sspx: "Don't talk about it" So-called 'charity' of sanborn: "Don't know, not my problem" Where is the true supernatural charity for the souls who've left the church because of the constant scandals by the novus ordo? Why are all these so called traditionalists going along with all this?

[@lesmen4]

In case Vigano dies today , where he will be buried ? will there be mass ?

[@QNSimple]

He can receive a Catholic funeral service and be buried in a Catholic cemetery as excommunication is commonly lifted upon death. Edit because my new comment won't post: It’s been common since Napoleon was excommunicated but it was lifted to give him last rites. Look at the “List of people excommunicated by the Catholic Church” wiki page in the 19th, 20th century and on. An overwhelming majority of those excommunicated received Catholic last rites and received a Catholic funeral mass. Click on each person and scroll towards the death. Most are lifted. Napoleon, King Victor Emmanuel II of Italy, Romolo Murri, Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord, Anthony Tu Shihua, Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais (traditionalist called schismatic), Richard Williamson (almost, he it got lifted then he doubled down and got his second excommunication soon after it being lifted), Alfonso De Galerreta, etc.

[@oldtimmy9481]

@@QNSimple Excommunication is not lifted upon death. He's been declared Schismatic and Council of Florence was clear. Schismatic are outside the Church and they must seek the Sacrament of Penance and make a Confession of the Faith in order to be received by the Church.

[@joenguyen9475]

He’s probably in hell along with all the pedo priest.

[@QNSimple]

@@oldtimmy9481 What do you mean? It’s been common since Napoleon was excommunicated but it was lifted to give him last rites. Look at the “List of people excommunicated by the Catholic Church” wiki page in the 19th, 20th century and on. An overwhelming majority of those excommunicated received Catholic last rites and received a Catholic funeral mass. Click on each person and scroll towards the death. Most are lifted. Napoleon, King Victor Emmanuel II of Italy, Romolo Murri, Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord, Anthony Tu Shihua, Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais (traditionalist called schismatic), Richard Williamson (almost, he it got lifted then he doubled down and got his second excommunication soon after it being lifted), Alfonso De Galerreta, etc.

[@QNSimple]

@@oldtimmy9481 What do you mean? It’s been common since Napoleon was excommunicated but it was lifted to give him last rites. Look at the “List of people excommunicated by the Catholic Church” wiki page in the 19th, 20th century and on. An overwhelming majority of those excommunicated received Catholic last rites and received a Catholic funeral mass. Click on each person and scroll towards the death. Most are lifted. Napoleon, King Victor Emmanuel II of Italy, Romolo Murri, Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord, Anthony Tu Shihua, Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais (traditionalist called schismatic), Richard Williamson (almost, he it got lifted then he doubled down and got his second excommunication soon after it being lifted), Alfonso De Galerreta, etc.

[@erric288]

The problem with the Trads are they are willing to commit schism to avoid perceived heresy, but schism is always a worse offense than heresy. The progressive left is usually interested in heresy, but rarely outright schism. So from the point of view of the hierarchy, the Trads are more dangerous as they are usually much more willing to be disobedient because they are prideful enough to determine for themselves what the Church teaches over and above the Church herself. Basically, the Church will tolerate you if you're wrong, so long as you still obey. There are too many classically Liberal minded people out there thinking they need to rebel against any authority they feel is wrongheaded as if the Pope were a president or prime minister.

[@user-uy8wx4pk4h]

Your face is extremely effeminate. Opinion discarded.

[@SouthAmericanHermit]

Fully agree. Thanks for your comment.

[@stooch66]

Of course, Matt will never have Michael Lofton back on…who is the one person who can actually explain these issues. But, Matt is too afraid to be called a popesplainer to have someone on who can actually explain this stuff.

[@deledition6335]

I only want to pray for both Pope Francis and Vigano. This definitely would not make Jesus happy. I accept that there is confusion in the world, but God will make things right. I believe in a happy ending, I just have to have the patience to wait for it in God's own time. It may not be during my lifetime.

[@Catholiclady3]

Vigano and his followers dont seem to believe Jesus's promise that the gates of hell will not prevail over the church or his promise to always stay with us to the end of the age. I trust Jesus, so I stand with the Pope.

[@pspears4741]

God helps those who help themselves.

[@KenSiefert]

Historically, heresy seems to be a moving target in the Catholic Church.

[@smcgrg]

So, if you're terribly introverted or ... IDK, super new, or overstimulated, and you peace out after Mass, you're schismatic? I don't understand the meaning. Now, we *have* to all stay for coffee and donuts? Earnestly asking to understand here. Even if that person 100% supports and believes what the Church teaches, but you're not a people person? Is it now whatever people say it is?

[@julielemker2131]

Matthew 16:13 13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? "Who are men [the people, not the leaders] saying He was?" Their answer is found in verse 14: 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. They answered that there was no single opinion about the Person of Jesus, but among the masses there were different opinions. Some believed that Yeshua was John the Baptist, resurrected from the dead. Others believed He was Elijah, the one who was to come according to Malachi 4:5-6. A third opinion was that Jesus was Jeremiah the Prophet. Fourthly, still others believed that He was one of the prophets, perhaps Isaiah or Ezekiel. One thing is very clear: in general, the people recognized the supernatural authority they connected Him with one of the significant characters of the Old Testament or with John the Baptist of the New Testament. However, they failed to clearly discern who He really was. He was not Joh the Baptist; He was not Elijah; He was not Jeremiah; He was not Isaiah or any other prophet. Specifically He was Yeshua the Messiah, and no one else. So concerning the first question of this examination, people, in general, felt that Jesus had supernatural authority and must be a special Person, but they all guessed wrong in that they did not discern Him to be the Messiah Himself. This leads to the second question in verse 15: He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Peter said "You are the Messiah the Son of the God, the Living One!" Jesus turned to Peter and made a series of statements The Source of Peter's knowledge First of all, He said in verse 17: And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Yeshua first said that what Peter understood was a result of divine illumination, not something he learned from mere human reasoning. The Rock and the Church The second statement He made to Peter is in verse 18: And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. The key to this statement is the relationship between the name Peter and the word rock. The Roman Catholic Church, of course, has done much concerning this particular passage. It has taught that Peter was the first pope and that he was the rock upon which Jesus was to build His church. Based on this teaching that since Peter was the rock upon which the Church was built, beginning with Peter, then, there has been a continuous line of popes though apostolic succession. Therefore, the Roman Catholic Church can properly interpret the Scriptures. When they say this, they are saying that Matthew, who wrote the Gospel, did not understand the rudiment, simplicities, and foundation of Greek grammar. The simple point of Greek grammar is: You cannot modify a masculine by a feminine. A feminine noun can never modify a masculine noun. The word for Peter, petros, is a masculine noun and means "a small stone or pebble." Yeshua said, "You are Peter-Petros. You are a small stone-a small pebble-just like the small stone or pebbles in the stream shooting forth from the base of the cliff-rock, which overshadowed the town of Caesarea Philippi." On the other hand, when He talked about this rock, the Greek term He used was petra. Petra is a feminine noun which means "a massive cliff-rock," just like the one overshadowing Caesarea Philippi. So, Peter is a small stone, which make terrible foundations. You do not build a building on a foundation of small stones. But a house could be built on a solid, massive, huge cliff-rock, because that would be a firm foundation. So Yeshua said to Peter, you are Peter [petros, masculine noun, meaning a small stone], and upon this rock [petra, feminine noun, meaning a huge, massive cliff-rock] I will build my church. In other words: "Peter, you are a petros, a small stone like the ones in the river that are broken off this cliff. But upon the petra from which you were broken off, I will build My Church." It is Jesus who is the massive cliff-rock upon which the Church would be built. It would not be built upon Peter, but upon Peter's confession: "You are the Messiah, the Son of the God, the Living One!" Peter was not the rock but the small stone which was part of the rock; the rock itself was Peter's confession. Therefore, the Church was going to be built on the basis of the Messiahship of Yeshua. Jesus very death followed by His resurrection, that the foundation of the Church was laid. Indeed in this way He became the massive cliff-rock and at the same time served as the chief cornerstone of the foundation itself. Jesus began the high priestly ministry upon His Ascension, He took on His function as a priest, ever making intercession for us. By means His Ascension, He can function in His priestly office Heaven. Because there is a Man seated at the right hand of God the Father who is performing a high priestly ministry, the writer of the Book of Hebrews encourages believers to make use of this High Priest. As our High Priest, He represents us. Since He is a Man who was tempted in all points like we are but without sin, it ns that He is a sympathetic high priest. It is prophesied in Psalm 110:1 (One Thousand years before Jesus), where God the Father is viewed as speaking to the Messianic Son, to Him: Jehovah said unto my Lord, Sit you at my right hand, Until I make your enemies your footstool. After God the Son took on human form at the Incarnation, after He fulfilled in His life the purpose of the Incarnation, and after His death, Resurrection and Ascension, He was seated at right hand of God the Father. He left Heaven in the form of God, but He returned to Heaven having two natures: divine and human. He is now the God-Man and, as the God-Man, He fulfills the prophecy that He would be seated at the right hand of God he Father. The New Testament verifies that Psalm 110:1 speaks of the Messiah (Mat. 22:43-45; Mk. 12:35-37; Lk. 20:41-44). In fact, Yeshua quoted this very verse (Ps.110:1) to the Pharisees with the question, "Whose son was the Messiah to be?" They correctly answered, "David's." Then Jesus answered, "If the Messiah is David's son, why does David call Him Lord?" It was a question that the Pharisees could not answer. But the answer lies in the God-Man concept: as to His humanity, Yeshua is David's son, but as to His deity, He is David's Lord. Jesus is the one mediator between God, the Father, and men (1 Tim 2:5) It was necessary for e mediator to be human and that is why Yeshua became a man. Israel had the Levitical high priest as their mediator, believers today have the Lion of the Tribe of Judah.

[@cm7227]

How arrogant of you and your guest to assume Archbishop Vigano never tried to meet with PF to discuss important issues in person and privately. We know Cardinal Zen tried many times and was denied. Yet pro abortion promoting celebrities get an audience and truly heretic priests like James Martin do. Truth trumps obedience to heresy any day.

[@salvyv]

It is in no way arrogance on their part to say Vigano would not meet with the Vatican. It is a matter of public record that you can check for yourself. Vigano was asked to appear before the Pope, etc. to discuss his statements about the Church and his disavowal of Vatican II etc. and he refused to respond. He was also given the opportunity to provide them with a written statement and he still refused to do that.

[@oldtimmy9481]

No Saint ever Slander and Disobeyed the Pope and adopted Heretic Ideologies.

[@user-uy8wx4pk4h]

Fradd is a shill

[@douglaspinsak1246]

Aquinas, you are looking pretty worldly; the outside of your cup says a lot about the inside of your cup-I can see that you need a powerful encounter with the Holy Ghost. Seek the Lord more, and pints less. Matthew 23:26 “You blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.”

[@charlesxavier8632]

God Bless Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX

[@danielbabu6132]

Oh dear, are you hearing this Matt? Are you? Please stop...

[@MG-bv8fi]

❤❤ SSPX

[@patrickdean4853]

The trouble with Vigano is that he is likely unwell. The pressure he has placed upon himself would certainly affect his mental health. One simply doesn’t disagree with Francis and keep their head … he has been notorious authoritarian during his pontificate. Vigano will fade into obscurity soon enough, like Fr. Feeney. Sadly, the damage that Francis has (and will continue) to cause so far eclipses Vigano’s actions that any comparison simply fails. I blame Francis for Vigano… he was a good man who broke under the stress of a Jesuit Pope.

[@Martha_DC]

I would say the SSPX-resistance had more to do with Vigano's current beliefs. Did you know he's been conditionally ordained by the SSPX-Resistance which is sacrilegious?

[@patrickdean4853]

@@Martha_DC no, I was not aware of that. Regardless- I think he has gone off his rocker. Nothing that he has done in the last 6 or so years is reflective of an otherwise stellar career in life long service to the Church.

[@user-uy8wx4pk4h]

He broke? You mean he did the right thing?

[@patrickdean4853]

@@user-uy8wx4pk4h no, I mean the pressure under which Vigano found himself likely deprived him of his faculties. Calling out the Pope as a liar is not small matter.

[@user-uy8wx4pk4h]

@@patrickdean4853 He's not the pope and he is a liar. Saying that Vigano was "deprived of his faculties due to pressure" is a passive aggressive effeminate insult

[@A.F.U-A]

Reading these comments, I’m so worried for American Catholics. This is so sad.

[@trleith]

Yeah, the SSPX position comes to "The Pope's the Pope, but he's wrong so we won't submit" whereas Vigano says "The Pope's not the Pope." The SSPX has a history of "distancing itself" from the frank sede claim.

[@user-uy8wx4pk4h]

Because they're cowards. Their position is absurd on its face.

[@quindariousgooch88]

​@@user-uy8wx4pk4hironic coming from byzantine rite refugees

[@stuartist]

If what he’s saying about Francis abusing younger males is true, then it should be exposed

[@clarekuehn4372]

"Francis" excommunicated himself. Says to Vigano, no one (except Prots, Muslims, Jews, of course) who says he's not the Vicar of Christ is under "his authority". But he dropped the title for himself.

[@soldierofmary984]

It's part of Church teachings that he had to excommunicate Vigano. Go complain to Jesus as to why these rules came to place. If you don't agree with Church teachings then you vecime a protestant.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

Well, this was fun, watching the Strokes, but I like the White Stripes better.

[@MillionthUsername]

@@soldierofmary984 Tell us about "blessings for same-sex couples." Is that a "Church teaching"? Since when?

[@stooch66]

Yeah, neither of you know what you are talking about and it is dangerous that you work out these thoughts in public.

[@user-kd8uq2yl5d]

Archbishop Viganò is a sincere and brave person. The Roman Catholic Church is the church founded by Jesus Christ. The Antichrist of the end times has already arrived: 'Let no one deceive you in any way. For unless the apostasy comes first and the lawless one is revealed, the one doomed to perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god and object of worship, so as to seat himself in the temple of God, claiming that he is a god - do you not recall that while I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. But the one who restrains is to do so only for the present, until he is removed from the scene. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord [Jesus] will kill with the breath of his mouth and render powerless by the manifestation of his coming, the one whose coming springs from the power of Satan in every mighty deed and in signs and wonders that lie, and in every wicked deceit for those who are perishing because they have not accepted the love of truth so that they may be saved.' (2 Thessalonians 2:3-10, Catholic Bible) Jesus Christ will come soon! It is important to pray!

[@JamesExcell-InterJex]

Whats the reason again why pope francis is banning the traditional latin mass? What is it?!?!

[@michaelpryor78]

Francis doesn't seem to like orthodoxy and solemnity very much, and the TLM embodies both. It also might be a sleight towards traditionalists, whom Francis blames for all the Church's division. The bottom line is that it's just a bunch of liberal bullshit

[@soldierofmary984]

If you read through comments you will notice there is so much division. Many treat the Novus Ordo Mass like its another religion. We should all be in communion. So most likely because of division.

[@JamesExcell-InterJex]

@soldierofmary984 that doesn't sound like dialogue to me. That makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. Novus Ordo folks never really have heard of the TLM let alone get harassed by tlm folks. This whole thing with francis and the tlm is STUPID of the highest levels. Francis looks like a moron banning.

[@michaelpryor78]

@@JamesExcell-InterJex I wouldn't lump everyone who attends the NO into one group, but yea, I can't say I'm a fan of Traditionis custodes.

[@soldierofmary984]

@JamesExcell-InterJex sorry I thought I was explaining something to a Catholic but you are obviously a Protestant

[@SSPX]

👀

[@noticxever9317]

Dont let the haters get to you, you guys rule, rock on. Christ is king, let's go

[@Lone-Lee]

@@noticxever9317, no, they don't rule. Christ rules, *through His Church and the Pope!!* Long live the Catholic Church! 🇻🇦 Long live the Pope!

[@user-uy8wx4pk4h]

@@Lone-Lee Bergolgio is not a Catholic much less the pope

[@arunarodrigues6478]

schism according to the Cambridge dictionary is much more than a break with communion or a disharmony. Underlying the break, there is a serious doctrinal difference of opinion. Here is the definition: "a formal division within, or separation from, a church or religious body over some doctrinal difference".

[@rickybaker42]

You need a scholastic or ecclesial dictionary, not a secular one

[@Philipnormanbradley19]

Leaders of the world. God warns you, 'Spiritual wickedness in high places'. Eph 6:12. Forget if China or Russia can spy on you, (No disrespect to the Chinese or Russian's.) But 'Who' is standing next to you? Including the leaders of China and Russia. The Lord clealy says this in, 'For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places'. KJV. Man religions, Denominations, churches and ministries. Acts 7:48,49 & 17:24,25. PEOPLE open your eyes of understanding and SAVE YOUR MONEY. John 10:1 & 10:9 & 1 Cor 16:1. I pray God will now act to save you all from what the real sin in this world is... (Not the flesh.) The gates of hell Jesus speaks of are the doorways into man made idols of stone and wood, Gen 11:4, the tower of bable. God is not the God of confusions, the over 30,000 Babling of them. God bless you all.