The Stunner Is a BAD Finisher! | Reacting to Wrestling Hot Takes 4

[@pigs18]

The Stunner, like the Superkick, is a perfect move in that it looks like it could hurt, can be performed on any opponent, and doesn't require a long set up.

[@abirnell]

The Stunner and Superkick are great but Big Show's knockout punch also meets this criteria and it is a load of garbage.

[@pigs18]

@@abirnell There's always an exception to every rule. Punches are just boring finishers.

[@huntermolitor8912]

​@abirnell as a kid watching that shit tho I always wondered why big show can throw 15 punches and not knock someone out but it's that punch that does it

[@abirnell]

@@huntermolitor8912 exactly my point! I always felt that exact same way as a kid. Awful finisher.

[@bigevil1001]

Superkick looks DEVASTATING! Stunner looks like it would hurt nobody but the person doing it when they break their tailbone on the floor.

[@JacksonOwex]

If Finn wouldn't have gotten hurt we wouldn't have gotten one of the best KO lines ever(to set the scene it was only like a week or two after winning the title): "You can't do this! I'm the longest reign Universal Champion in history!"

[@FirebirdPrince]

That hardys take was crazy. The TLC matches was probably their collective peak but I know so many people who became Jeff fans during his solo run, and Matt proven himself as a creative character maker, peaking with Broken. You don't get that godly massive pop at Mania by just doing nothing.

[@Walshy94]

Maybe they meant as a tag team, but even still, they done some good work as a tag team after those tlc matches

[@thegreenpianist7683]

Dude Jeff was outselling PG John Cena in merch in 2008. That alone is a gigantic achievement.

[@tonygramz3578]

The smaller highflying underdog started with Shawn Michaels and HBK should definitely be on the Mount Rushmore 7:01

[@robertlunderwood]

The spinner belt only spun from when it debuted in 2005 to when Cena had to forfeit the title in 2007. As of No Mercy 2007, it no longer spun.

[@Cubsmanallday]

1). Thank you so much for including my hot take(the Spinner belt one) 2).I'm so glad you guys agree with it! ☺️ Edit: They actually stopped it from spinning in 2009 btw. EDIT: Guess they actually stopped it from spinning as of No Mercy 2007. To quote R-Truth, "my bad".

[@KingJadInfiniteHope]

it stopped before that

[@David-uc6sg]

Last night on, Raw Gargano was definitely getting over with the crowd more than he has since he's been back.

[@chill0314]

Shelton lack of Mic skills is what held him back. One of the best IC title holders during the RA era. Matt Hardy's Version 1 run was one of my favorite runs. Especially with the different Matt facts on his Titantron entrance.

[@supersasukemaniac]

I actually rember watching the WCW anthology DVDs hosted by DDP and he said he lost his Rookie of the Year award to "Some 16 year old kid,named Rey Misterio Jr." Then followed it up saying,"Even back then,it was a good call."

[@TheBloobster]

Bro how are people acting like Punk wouldn't be able to act crazy in WWE, when that's how he left WWE the first time? I feel like people are forgetting when Punk left WWE, he'd been unhappy for months... if not years. He despised that company. He had so many backstage feuds... including with HHH. He then got fired on his Wedding Day, then got in a lawsuit with the WWE doctors for saying WWE was an unsafe company to work for on a podcast with his bff (who he now hates as well). People acting like the AEW thing was so sudden... he's got more beef than an Otis/Bronson match, and half of them are still working there.

[@nolankuffner3573]

The Stunner isn't a move that makes as much sense in real life, but the idea of jacking someone's back and trying to give them whiplash (in real life, the person wouldn't land on their knees, they'd theoretically land neck first, with their legs off the ground, an impact that would be far more devastating). I've heard people dying when they feel off a stool changing a light. They landed neck first and died on the spot. On Rey, I think he helped expose a larger audience to the Lucha style and while others did that first, his 30+ years of doing it cements him as the best. Look at other wrestlers he's come up with. He looks like he's in his early 40s, remains a focal point for the WWE midcard, and stands as a testament for how timeless top wrestling stars can be. Compare him to Jericho or where the ECW guys are. He looks great, moves well, and will remain relevant as long as he wants to be.

[@jones8896]

Gargano is an amazing talker, granted more so when he’s a heel, he can cut an entertaining promo easily. “Gargano isn’t the strongest on the mic” is a crazy take. Watch his heel Nxt work

[@TheHealingManifest]

A great finisher just needs to be something that gets the crowd excited for it that people want to do as well. The stunner is that exactly

[@MaadhatsOnTwitch]

Jeff had amazing solo runs in TNA and the Broken Hardy's were also very entertaining Also seems like someone didn't watch Johnny in NXT during 'The Way' era. Also entertaining

[@VeggieGamer]

Oh I can COMPLETELY see Roman being Babyface again. He isn't going to be his old face character, just as The Rock never went back to being Rocky Maivia. Wrestlers evolve and done right, Babyface Roman would be amazing!

[@TheNath87]

I had a hot take a few days ago and it was Kane should have won a Royal Rumble match. Most likely one probably would have been the 2001 Royal Rumble. Could you imagine The Rock vs Kane for the WWE Championship at Wrestlemania X-7?

[@Shane3125]

That would've been absolutely terrible. A good showing in the Rumble match doesn't make someone worthy of a WM main event title shot.

[@MaadhatsOnTwitch]

That doesn't move me and im a massive fan of Kane. Sure give him a rumble win but against the Rock it seems very mid

[@TheNath87]

@@Shane3125 thats what the winner of the Royal Rumble gets though.

[@TheNath87]

@@MaadhatsOnTwitch I only said The Rock because he was champion at the time. Sure Kane vs The Rock would be no where near as good as Austin vs Rock was at that Wrestlemania.

[@bradleyboyette4991]

Never having an Abyss vs Kane or Undertaker match is one of the biggest let downs in all of wrestling. The mind games would’ve been amazing!

[@RinJackson]

The timing was just never right for such a match, unfortunately

[@redleopard777]

Abyss vs Kane vs Mankind monsters ball match would of been craaaazzzyyyyy

[@jackconorria4033]

The “needing to retire” part of the Hardys take is based

[@Pausenmacher]

Roman as a Face can still work, even with an Adaption of the Head of the Table Gimmick. And People WILL POP for him.

[@Dr.Natrell]

That Hardy Boyz take is not too bad🤷🏾‍♂️

[@SlumDogEpiphany]

They goofed they clearly meant Roman reigns "undisputed" title

[@michaelcurson]

What do us SCW fans need to do to get Dante and John to watch old pwg shows and have their mind blown?

[@BennyJJ]

Dawkins to me is a modern day D’lo Brown - I hope he can take his WWE run further than D’lo though.

[@earlgrray8192]

hes a heel get him a chest plate

[@riotd.r.8363]

You could crack someone's jaw with a stunner lol

[@jackconorria4033]

Still doesn’t make sense how it would knock someone out

[@riotd.r.8363]

Rey Mysterio wasn't the first to get over with his style, but he was the first to get over in every company he was in with his size and style. Juventud Guerrera is just as talented, but does not have the connection with the people Rey has.

[@MansMan42069]

The Rock: "HOO-ven-TOOD"

[@arvidpetersson2252]

Gargano is great in ring, those takeover matches are super good. But a modern day Danielson is a wild fucking take, almost a troll opinion

[@Sige_Himself]

I love these hot takes so much!

[@emmalaughlin8287]

candice is so underrated!!

[@ericmdrs]

Im sorry who ever said the spinner belt better than any belt is WRONG. The spinner is and was the WORST title world title of all time.

[@ziggy071621]

Keep these coming boys!

[@AFW51209]

For some of your younger audience or people that just don’t have X or Twitter just let us get some from KZbin. It can be both. Like a 21 min video. 1 min intro. 10 min X hot takes and 10 mins of yt hot takes

[@markula_4040]

I don't know if Shelton Benjamin should have been World Champion. Outside a couple exceptions (or experiments like in Jinder's case), you need to be able to stand in the ring and talk to the audience to further storylines and carry programs. He never really did that. I do feel he still could have been higher on the card. Get a world title match here and there to better see if people would accept him as the top guy and WWE never really gave him that chance to potentially prove people with my opinion on him wrong.

[@ohb71303]

For the Rey comment, the two people that you can thank for the smaller guys being brought to the US (starting with Rey and Psychosis) is Konnan and Heymen. Rey also was part of a good 6 year span of "smaller guy wrestling". With guys like, Kidman, Juvitued Guerrera, Eddie, Chavo, Jericho, Malenko, Saturn, Benoit, 3 Count and Syxx(X Pac), Owen Hart and Brian Pillman. Before that Bret Hart, Mr. Perfect, Piper, Rick Martel, Rick Rude, Million Dollar Man and HBK were considered the "smaller guys".

[@ezequielgamon6704]

Dante called it on him losing the belt at mania and not coming back till summer slam 😂 11:27

[@MysteryMan723]

I'm 23, and I grew up with the spinner belt. With that said, it's absolutely disgusting to look at. Also, "It's big, it's chunky" was used as a positive descriptor, which is wild to me. That is all.

[@flybirdsfly2091]

This about to be crazy

[@sergiohtx9600]

Wow that first cm punk take aged like milk 😂😂

[@jakecristina54]

As a cutter style move, the Stunner stylistically fit Austin really well, and I don't think it sucks, but other cutters have better utility (RKO) or more impressive visuals (Cody Cutter). I'd definitely say it's second to the RKO but definitely doesn't suck as a finisher because it's rare to see any cutter not used a finisher tbh.

[@ThisIsMarkJones]

I sort of get the point with the Stunner ... honestly I preferred the way Austin used to do it before his neck injury in '97, particularly before he introduced the gut kick ... he used to make it look so good back in '96 when he first debuted the move.

[@LuvYT24]

The Finn Balor take is pretty likely, they were high as hell on him at that time, he was fully at the right place at the right time because Roman was being punished so he beat him clean, if that injury didn't happen he was definitely about to be the number 2 or 3 guy behind Seth and Roman but the injury killed all of Vince's interest in him..

[@bschuss1]

The thing about the Roman take is that he doesn't need to retire necessarily, but he definitely won't be able to pull off appearing once a month and having matches like every third PLE.

[@WPFLAWLESS]

Wwe stopped the title from spinning because it kept breaking and they got tired of fixing it. That being said, it is a MUCH better looking title than anything now, the design was lightyears better than the copy paste titles we have now.

[@Shantanu_Matwanker]

I love the Angelo Dawkins take. I agree with every word there. The first time I think I watched Dawkins wrestle a singles match was at a ppv I dont recall which one now. They were broadcasting from 2 locations. And if I recall correctly, the singles match Dawkins performed in was at a concert. They had a ring set up on stage. I thought it was a filler match. But good god Dawkins put up a clinic. I dont even recall who he was wrestling against but it was impossible to forget Dawkins. Its unbelievable the way he moves. His agility, athleticisim, how light on his feet he his and just the sheer raw power he has. I remember a segment on Raw where they had him tackle peak monster Strowman to the ground while Strowman was doing his train thing outside the ring. But yeah, ever since these I took notice of him more and more and I do believe he is better in ring than Ford, who himself is ridiculously good. But in the end, Ford is the more likely to get a push and I completely understand that as well. Only thing that differentiates them two is that Ford's character seems to have that 'IT' factor. Whatever that is. Im sorry, I cant quantify it or place it into words. But yeah, that's a great take sir.

[@PedroBenolielBonito]

I was saying the same thing as that first hot take just today. I fully agree, that is exactly what will happen.

[@lonewolf7396]

Edge isn't a average height guy at all. He's 6'5. As a reference, The Rock is also 6'5.

[@danshewell8746]

Stunner looks effective. Austin is driving a persons face into his shoulder when it suddenly stops. The impact on the face would be painful. Moves like the AA is a flat back bump like a suplex, or back drop. F5 is just dropping someone on the belly, just like a flapjack.

[@Chalkedrip]

John shirt can’t be more fitting for this episode

[@moeegz]

Hot Take: Brock shouldn’t have beaten Undertaker @ WM. Instead they shouldn’t have waited to build up Bray Wyatt and then have Undertaker pass the torch to him

[@bigevil1001]

Wow. Someone thinks Lesnar shouldn’t have ended the streak. That IS a hot-take.

[@ThursdayNext67]

I agree with Rey Mysterio on the Mt. Rushmore of light heavyweights. I would add Dynamite Kid, Tiger Mask (the original), and Jushin Liger

[@alfiechapman6794]

This 'bout to be 🔥

[@enagroom]

That's why you're the best. No Hardy slanders accepted.

[@bigrandomun9267]

The stunner is a great finisher but it isn’t protected and is just unnecessarily used. It’s similar to the Superkick, where it is just watered down to just being part of a moveset and not a match ender.

[@trillytrill2131]

TEAM DANTE ON GOD, BUT I LOVE YOU TOO JOHN DONT TRIP LOVE YALL CONTENT YALL SHOULD DO A QUIZ WITH A FAN EVERY PODCAST

[@bigrandomun9267]

Rey being a small wrestler was a blessing and a curse. He did a lot of smaller wrestlers and high flyers in wrestling in general. But he never fit the image that WWE had for their champions. I’m a massive Rey fan and I loved seeing him wrestle, but you knew watching him in the ring, Rey could lose at any moment if his opponent stood up and caught him. That feeling, I felt, followed him over a lot of places which would work sometimes like when Rey beat Big Show and Kane. But then you have Cena vs Rey for Heavyweight title, which is one of the worst decisions WWE could’ve made surrounding the title. He was best with other cruiserweights or technicians and was phenomenal with those who could fly and wrestle e.g. The Guerreros. But against the real big guys, it just didn’t work out the way it worked for Cena, HHH, Rock, Austin and the other greatest wrestlers in WWE history.

[@RApollos107]

The Broken Universe is the easiest way to counter the “Hardys haven’t done shit besides TLC”.

[@RellumRellum]

My only real hot take is if Jeff Hardy didn't get in legal trouble in 2009 and stayed in WWE, he and Punk would've main evented WrestleMania

[@ajtp1349]

The Hardy’s take was specifically talking about them as a tag team and you only mentioned singles success

[@writingalias4401]

Not sure if this is the place for hot takes but.... Hot take: Pamela Martinez (Bayley) will be considered one of the greatest wrestlers of all time whenever she chooses to retire. With the exception of a couple injuries, she's been on weekly main brand television for over seven years without any breaks. Most of the women in WWE have had their best matches against her. Brooklyn in 2015 has gone down in history as the pivotal moment of the women's wrestling movement that we're still experiencing today. She's a five tool ring general, and a backstage leader that has been integral in WWE storytelling over her entire career. She's played a large part in inspiring a generation of young women to lace up their boots including Roxanne Perez, Indi Hartwell, and Cora Jade; who all mentioned her by name. In my humble opinion, she's the greatest of all time. No one has ever changed the game more than she has.

[@vincentcloud]

Hot take CM punk will need to a B tier company(TNA) to prove he can act right and is back on his mood stabilizing meds.

[@bigrandomun9267]

Shelton had the talent but that man couldn’t talk to save his life. All he needed was a manager and he could’ve done way better.

[@coreygrassmid]

I agree on the Finn Balor thing whole heartedly

[@Mrryn]

9:29 I mean, if I managed to drape your jaw and throat over my shoulder and then dropped down to whiplash your neck, the fight is probably over. lol The modern sell for the stunner is to fly back with the impact, but I'd suggest looking up some old stunner sells from guys like Sgt. Slaughter back around '97 when the guy taking falls forward all the way through rather than jumping back...it can look really sick, like Austin legit just broke a dude's neck.

[@UncleSmiley96]

I'd say priest cashes in on Rollins. They do a celebration on raw and Finn attacks him. Judgment day starting to slowly split. Priest and Finn have a several month feud and Finn ultimately wins the WHC.

[@mtollens]

It'd be fun if after they both lose their titles, Roman and Seth reunite and form some two man Power Trip type tag team

[@thechannelformerlyknownasp8111]

These hot takes videos are great but they only show me that people don’t fully grasp the TV show aspect of wrestling. Someone may be the best ever in the ring, but they have to have a character and they have to be able to be flexible with what stories they can tell. Wrestling has so many potential roles people can fit in character-wise, the wrestler just has to accept their role and make it work.

[@nathanielmcelwrath7805]

Real hot take the stunner would hurt like heel

[@Chigen_Atomic]

Punk won't leave like AEW, he'll leave like he did in WWE. Once he's not in the position he wants to be in, he'll be out. There's still fuel in the tank to finish out the Tribal Chief run. He loses the title and slowly loses power and respect. Makes an enemy of the whole Bloodline, then they retire him. Edge also had the Rated R spinner belt. The spinner belt does have a lot more of the pomp and circumstance you'd expect a world title belt to have, which is why it still worked even when it wasn't with Cena.

[@chrisrogstad4786]

if it wasnt austin it wouldnt be as great

[@wh5601]

And that becomes very obvious when you see other wrestlers using it these days. As a finisher on its own, it’s not horrendous but it’s meh. Austin was just such a special performer that he made it great

[@TheJaguar1983]

14:32 "their flowers". Also, not capital needed on "famous".

[@ultraomenmurat9937]

Technically beating seth would count as a dethrone as well

[@calennon3]

Here’s my hot take: X-pac isn’t that small. Yeah he has a flashy offense but he’s also 6’2”

[@idankingo]

Hot Take: The referees in AEW are making me less immersed. I can roughly know what will happen by which referee is in the match. For instance - Remsburg is clueless and will not notice any cheating until it is convenient, might take a bump too. Aubrey is always paired up with Jericho specifically because of kayfabe "they hate each other" so there will be tension and shouting involved. Knox is very lax about rules and will not count to 10 outside of the ring even in times where he could have counted to 50 had he wished to. It gets tiresome.

[@swerve589]

The Roman and Shelton hot takes were the top two ones that were just stupid lol.

[@lord_wolf_dragon3293]

Their love of the spinner belt confuses me. They constantly shit on the current belts for slapping the WWE logo on the belt, rightfully so, it's garbage but the spinner belt was the original belt to slap the logo on it

[@WaDarkPhoenix]

I think for Hot Take videos you should really avoid telling people they're Right/Wrong or Correct/Incorrect, they're opinions and in the end whether you agree is an opinion itself (and you guys usually have some pretty hot takes yourself). Seems more appropriate to agree or disagree.

[@reonmaterman6600]

If WWE is gonna stick with long championship reigns they need to create a Television Title like ECW had and gave it defended every week so we have something to be excited for each week or even a light heavyweight championship with a weight limit of like 235lbs

[@amnorms]

9:44 hey thats me

[@TheCGSTV1]

That Hardys obviously came from a hardy hater. TNA gave us antichrist jeff hardy. Yeah it didn't end well but that character change for Jeff was fabulous

[@someone...1184]

I agree with that #DIY Hot Take!!!!🔥🔥🔥

[@RinJackson]

Think the idea for the Stunner is that you're jamming your opponent's jaw into the top of their mouth

[@claytonjames1558]

Who would be on your boys Mount Rushmore then? Rey wouldn't be on mine but who would be on yours?

[@Hypno_BPM]

wasn’t Punk the one that made the spinner belt stop spinning ? i like the belt as long as it isn’t spinning

[@bradydno8983]

i think when sheamus had it stopped spinning

[@Rabid.Prinxe]

Wasn't it the Rock who had a new wwe championship after beating Punk?

[@Mrryn]

​@@bradydno8983Randy and Triple H had the belt before Sheamus around that time and it wasn't a spinner for them either.

[@bradydno8983]

@@Mrryn oh that’s cool i didn’t know that

[@redleopard777]

That comment about the Hardyz is the most stupid take I've ever heard. Even if you don't like the Hardyz why would you say that confidently? Matt with his Broken Matt and V1 storylines, Jeff has had countless great singles matches and championships, Matt's won championships aswell and everything they've done as a tagteam. Just a really dumb opinion to have let's be honest.

[@513KernalTV]

Yeah I disagree with Rey being in the top 4-5. He's close, but I hate to see this, Eddie would have outshined him if he didn't pass, Honestly the Luchadores of WCW in the mid-late 90's paved the way for that. Even Jericho was considered a smaller guy(WCW Cruiserweight Champion), and he's won multiple world titles

[@crimsonknight6468]

Hot take: even if mox can back to WWE the shield should not come simply because they don't need each other

[@jamesbower6408]

Bro catch a stunner by a 10 or old while not trying it at home. You'll get fucked up

[@toddprattii2012]

Cena's U.S. title spinner is better looking than the WWE title spinner.

[@noirknight9770]

i think Punk is talented in making himself relevant, i doubt he will lose any momentum if he returns

[@Blackgold1155]

Booking MJF as a babyface has been a disaster and the wrong decision. The only reason it’s still working is because MJF is a generational talent. Bonus hot-take: when he retires, decades from now, MJF will be widely considered THE Greatest of All Time.

[@robertlunderwood]

Shelton didn't have the mic skills to be a main eventer

[@bigdrewelbajapanty]

Such a stupid ass take for the Hardy boys. Jeffs feud with RVD for the IC title, his matches with Umaga, his feud with CM Punk, his iconic match with Taker etc. Matt Hardys feud with Edge, his time alongside Brock was hilarious and his US title feud with MVP was gold and we aren't even touching on their TNA/Impact wrestling runs as well as their matches with ROH before returning to WWE. That person clearly doesn't know anything about their singles runs.

[@jacob47329]

video 59 of telling john to watch nxt

[@xX_cjpg_Xx]

The only correct Mount Rushmore is Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold, John Cena and the Undertaker. You have the top guy from each major generation, and the undertaker who was there for all of them.

[@catnip8896]

What about HBK?

[@xX_cjpg_Xx]

@@catnip8896 if he didn’t get injured he’d be up there for sure, I just don’t think he was THE guy of his generation

[@claytonjames1558]

Jeff vs Taker ladder match was one of the best ladder matches outside or those tag ladder matches and HBK vs Ramon so that is a hot take. That's just not true.

[@rriggs6547]

I cared about Omega and Jericho and Page winning, though his reign was not great. The only reign I didn't care about at all was Punk. Not sure saying Gargagno is great is a hot take. People have been saying this for years now. But he just doesn't have the charisma of Danielson. Again, with LaRae, I am not sure this is a hot take. She is great. Rey is great. And I think an argument can be made for the WWE mount Rushmore with him. Some finishers are about the pageantry and not the actual effectiveness of the move. No one deserves a title run. I would like to see OC with it, but he will have earned it. Spinner belt. I just didn't like it. I thought it was dumb. It did look good when it didn't spin, but I thought the spinning part was just dumb. Shelton is an amazing talent. I don't know about the world title, but WWE certainly could have done much more with him. If Balor didn't get hurt, he still would have been crapped on because Vince was in charge.

[@miauwoofwoof6185]

The undisputed tag team titles should be split

[@thefloridaman41]

Love you guys but it’s absolutely bull💩 to say Adam Page flopped because he wasn’t booked strong. He was booked like he was legitimately invulnerable. He kicked out of everything and beat everyone and just didn’t get over like a champion needs to.

[@arvidpetersson2252]

Beating danielson solidified his reign and really made it great

[@dondgamer]

Hot take: Orton is the Goat

[@Burpees73]

My favorite belt is the Brock Lesnar undisputed wwf title.

[@RBRSC]

"Nothing" would be hyperbolic, but Punk's fanbase is generally behind him for being the anti-WWE guy and metaphorically crawling back there probably won't bring most of them along. Being altogether burned out on chicken-shit heel champions with giant factions constantly interfering, I would say that Jericho and Omegas runs did nothing for me. (And neither does the Bloodline, to cover that side of the table, it got boring somewhere around the 5 month Kevin Owens feud in the first year) Following from that, I'd obviously say that any of the like 9 actual tag teams in WWE getting the belts and a story in their division rather then spending the tag belts as props for the upper midcard and main event storyline.