Stack and Tilt Golf Swing

Golf Life Television and Hitgolf.com interview Michael Bennett, the co-inventor of the popular new swing on the PGA Tour, The Stack and Tilt. Bennett and his partner researched golf swings and body mechanics to arrive at this golf swing philosophy that has been very successful with many PGA tour professionals like Dean Wilson, Mike Wier and Arron Baddeley. Find more golf feature videos online at www.golflifetv.com or www.hitgolf.com

[@SwitcherooU]

Why are people always arguing about tour players using S&T? It doesn't matter. They aren't watching these videos. High-handicappers are watching these videos, and simplifying the swing to favor ball-striking consistency above all else is just plain smart.

[@justinpeterson2105]

Because there are all these golf dorks out there who think everyone should try to play like the pros, and, if you don't, you're doing it "wrong". And they get really adamant about it!

[@SwingEzzZZ]

It works for me. I use s&t from wedge thru 3 wood. No problem with low lofted clubs. Shifting weight to the right on backswing makes it difficult for me to hit solid shot off the turf. For driver, I move the ball more left.

[@GrimTactics]

If it wasnt for S&T I wouldve given up on golf. I was tired of how every single instructor teaches the game different even though it is suppose to be the same swing. These guys make it easy to understand and after a bit of practice im hitting ball better than I ever have in my life even when I was a 7 handicap. Those afraid of change and those who are too ignorant to open their minds are missing a great lesson in golf.

[@norrispg4212]

what moron told you it is supposed to be the same swing?

[@shawakwak]

I spent the winter converting to this. It's a nice action. I was always a little flat so it wasn't a big change. The biggest change was staying on my front foot. It felt strange at first ( not turning behind the ball ) I have great results on the range and at the pitch and putt close by. I'll see how it works this summer on a full course over 18 holes. What's with all the haters? It may work for some and not for others. Golf isn't a game of robots.

[@BillyDee159]

Thank you, grade explanation

[@vct33]

I've basically been doing this for 12 years. It's probably not exactly what they are teaching but it's very similar. I never shift my weight onto my right foot.

[@fradaja]

thats where the skill is! tranfering your weight into the clubhead through timing!

[@SoftSpeakin6]

I have tried S&T. its been good with shorter clubs but as I get to 6 iron and above it just feels awkward.I still hit the ball with good accuracy albeit a bit lower like it's slightly thinned despite feeling uncomfortable with the swing. do you have the hands more forward and move the left hip more with the longer clubs ?

[@z7fan577]

Came and went! Thank God

[@johnclark3697]

I'll tell you what links ( all these great players together) A God given TALENT & great hand - eye coordination. over 72 holes of competive play Stamina & full body conditioning is also a priceless asset.

[@TheNYgolfer]

God has nothing to do with it. An atheist can do just as well without her help. It's all about understanding physics

[@justinpeterson2105]

Full body conditioning? John Daly, Craig Stadler, Shane Lowry ... It ain't Crossfit ; )

[@spartanstackandtilt]

@Goodnate96 it really helps to record your swing to pinpoint but some things that might help... Work on pushing your hips forward more, longer. This helps create the tilt of the spine away from the target (not your weight though). Also keep swinging out, longer. Most golfers are taught to "release" the club but end up rolling their wrists and shutting the club face, de lofting it. Check a vid call "drawing the ball," bad audio, good content.

[@craigbell3440]

I'm a recreational golfer, and since I've used Stack and Tilt, my swing and game has improved greatly. I figured that I'd try it, and if it didn't work for me, I'd go back to the traditional method (which I will never do now). For all the nay-sayers.....I don't remember anyone saying that everyone has to try this out. If you don't like it, for whatever reason.....DON'T USE IT, AND PLEASE QUIT BITCHING!

[@shl102673]

Then we disagree on where the weight is at the top of the backswing. I see the weight favoring the left side for most of the pros I see on TV and when I saw them at a few tour events. There is also a video comparing Tiger and Zach Johnson on youtube. I know Zach is not working with Bennett or Plummer, but he does start stacked on the left. The video confirms that at least Tiger favors the weight to his left side at set up with mid/short irons. What players say and do are not always the same.

[@Mygolfeducation]

Everyone talks about how S$T is losing favor, or it is a bad swing. Sean Foley teaches it and his players are among the best ball strikers on the tour. Aaron Baddeley used it and was as high as 17th in the world, without it he is in the 110 range. Mike and Andy studied the best golfers and put together a list of checkpoints that they thought would make people better and less frustrated.

[@acsaiyanbalce4610]

He looks like a very nice guy!!

[@jduncanm3golf]

@dparc12 thats also him standing on the rope at 1:20 lol. anyway, this is a great intro to S&T

[@italodiscorevival]

As I understand it, Sean Foley (Tigers coach) supposedly did a lot of work with Bennett and Plummer when they developed S+T?

[@PingG10guy]

@stuntman206in traditional stack and tilt pattern is punch elbow with square shoulders at impact. Serious question...how are you inline with punch elbow and square shoulders at impact? the baseline is out to the right and it influences big hooks until players learn to compensate for the flawed position. All of the "stack and tilt" guys on PGA tour have elbow infront of the right hip at impact. They dont stack and tilt anymore

[@steveperryman8102]

I was a cynic until I tried it. It works. I've moved on to MORAD fundamentals now. I really couldnt give a fig about getting max distance or bragging rights about how short an iron I hit to a target. Unfortunately, most golfers obsess with that. You only need to see the videos here and the entire pitch of advertising to see that's true .... but S&T golfers, and those who seek control are a matured "more intelligent" bunch. lol

[@fradaja]

would you prefer to be it by a heavyweigt boxer or a lightweight boxer?

[@remmy100]

isnt hogans method a precursor to the stack and tilt?

[@fradaja]

BRILIANT! so you dont really need to use your hips torso and legs then???? wow this is radical! i can feel a new methodology commin on! have you wrote a book yet?

[@jcking33]

SWING.. swing.. swing... gOLF is the best sport for me!!!

[@RK831]

Is Tiger using the Stack & Tilt swing? It sure looks like it.

[@johngolfi]

@Jospehporta well I thought so...

[@taylormadeNo1]

@Goodnate96 Yeah. Find another method. Jeff Ritter or Chuck Quinton. Look them up and follow. Very good instructors.

[@minibullet91]

My friend also dropped 20 strokes too, he now still shoots in the 100s =)

[@fradaja]

no i did mention speed i've been talking about speed all along!oh if you don't know velocity is speed!

[@AmericanPatriot014]

The Stack and Tilt is one method another great method is the Push and Pucker Swing.

[@fradaja]

so if i go from 12 st to 6 stone yes i think i will be half as long or thereabouts

[@fradaja]

what do you mean by power?

[@HarrisJamesBen]

So, just to get this straight, am I right that the difference between the stack and tilt and the 'regular' method is that the regular method tells you to shift your weight and the 'stack and tilt' method says not to?

[@justinpeterson2105]

That's part of it. Yes. Look up Tom Saguto. He teaches it, from A-Z.

[@remmy100]

@Dreama40 how so? please explain in detail exactly why SandT is so bad.

[@user-cv1xe9yf3f]

Where the club hits the ground is important. Also where the ball hits on the clubface is important. Missing the sweet spot toe or heel just a bit has a big effect on where the ball goes. Mike leaves that up to the student I guess.

[@spartanstackandtilt]

@helenathena it is hard to see when it is all done at once. In order to stay over the ball you have to stand up, tilt to the left, and rotate your shoulders in a circle. To prove this point, stand in front of a mirror, and set up like you would at address. stand up, tilt to the left, and then turn your shoulders around your body and you will stay centered. People are constantly insulting this swing method with no idea on the principles behind it.Take a lesson from a sandt teacher and u will c

[@spartanical]

I feel like this guy really enjoys what he does. Must be nice...

[@moreme40]

I have tried this and while it does seem to help with fat shots, I can't swing in to out with it. I always cut down across the ball even when I swing far to the inside on the backswing

[@jackpanigoni4642]

Try keeping your shoulders square to the ball. You might swing inside to out but if your shoulders are open you could easily slice across it. That is just one of the many reasons why you need much more than just the path.

[@fradaja]

thats actually correct! all these are contributing factors!!! clubhead speed! clubhead mass! so basically what you are saying is if you use the same club and swing at the same speed as another golfer you will hit it exactly the same distance, regardless of how heavy you are, whether you are 6 stone or 16 stone, Do i have this correct?

[@Dreama40]

I have not tried this and dont intend to either, but if your weight is stacked on the left at the top, where does the power come from, traditionally its from the weight shift and clearing of the left hip, ie hip/shoulder separation on the down swing, i dont know it just doesnt look right to me! need more convincing !!

[@Jospehporta]

@blackkow87 LOL Baddely specifically said he won the Northern Trust Open this year specifically because he dumped the Stack and Tilt method, how do you feel now?

[@bobt5778]

00:50 Fred Couples, right?

[@shl102673]

@RandiesUnite I can't decide if your hostility is toward OutlanderWarrior or S&T. Anyway, if you look at the majority of the PGA Tour professionals (take into consideration for camera angles) you will see more weight on the lead side than the trailing side (@ top of the back swing; not during transition) . The majority of current Tour pros have and implement some aspects of S&T. If you know of Mac O'Grady and Mike Bender, S&T should not be new to you. If you disagree, that's fine too.

[@shawakwak]

You mean like Bobby Jones? He straightened his right leg and hit the ball great with hickory shafts. So much for loosing control of your swing.

[@justinpeterson2105]

If you're interested, check out Tom Saguto, the best S&T teacher I've found on the Web

[@amfohr]

I think this is a good way to develope a lower back injury, lower back injury is caused by moving the hips away from the target in the backswing and moving the hips towards the target in the downswing.

[@ihazzit5201]

amfohr Might wanna look into the injury stats of all the pro golfers that use their system. This would help too: www.tipitout.com/stack-and-tilt-injury-risk/

[@amfohr]

I Hazzit Its possible that I am misinformed about the stack and tilt, I thought the hips moved away from the target in the backswing causing an axis tilt towards the target. If not then its ok. I have a vulnerable back myself and notice it straight away if I do that move, if I maintain my axis tilt away from target I have no issues.

[@jackpanigoni4642]

My dad had back surgery and then found stack and tilt. You are not moving your hips away from the target. You're turning the hips so you can get the inside to out path

[@jackpanigoni4642]

You have a close idea to what happens, yes, tilting and such.

[@johnclark3697]

you are spot on.

[@fradaja]

the distance from your clubhead to your head changes depending on your physicality and club, thats gearing,some people like paul azinger had high gearing,some like ian woosnam had low gearing,funny that cos woosnam was longer than azinger, but he was haevier and created lots of clubhead speed! wonder why that is? mass x velocity perhaps? LOL

[@MrAmnizu]

Not true, power comes from club head speed and energy transfer from the club head into the golf ball. Mathematical equation is E=1/2Mv(2). In golf this is measured and explained via club head speed and "smash factor" which is a function of energy transfer from the club head into the golf ball. If you notice the power generating parts of the swing itself do not change, the shoulders and hip are still allowed to rotate to generate centrifugal force and club head speed.

[@mct765]

google "stack and tilt vs sean foley" and read the golf digest article and then remember that this is TIGER WOODS new coach and he just said that he is compressing the ball "like I never have before" and hitting the ball "more flush"

[@Ikey1100]

S & T Does Work, the pros only went away because of confidence, the stats said they were hitting it better, but they didnt believe it, it was all confidence

[@GolfForeSjov]

Iron Byron? Hmmm...I've been teaching golf for several yrs, and being centered does have it's benefits, however even Hogan maintained a positive spine angle away from the targit in his backswing, verifying a loading into to right side in the backswing! It's simple physics and common sense when watching a pitcher throwing a ball or a boxer throwing a knockout punch, you can't do it from your leading leg. " 2 pivot points creates a natural latural lateral movement from the backleg to the front.

[@rjfpace]

Golf is Zen. Aim for target. Hit ball to target. Repeat. Forever.

[@shawakwak]

It's not actually a reverse C you're thinking of. I know it looks that way but you don't have the load on your back. I switched because a car accident this year. Did some damage to my back. My old swing just can't happen. This works and I'm pain free. I can't explain why it works so well for me. Every human is different so our swings will also be different what works for me may not work for you.

[@fradaja]

so what constitutes as power? sorry lets make this easier for you,what does power consist of how is it generated?

[@spartanstackandtilt]

@Snagga2010 Most tour pros are striving to a constant spine inclination to the ground, big difference. If your spine angle didn't change your head would be way behind the ball in the backswing and way ahead in the follow through. You don't think most golfers, who are slicers, would not benefit from a swing model that promotes a draw? You should get the SandT book or get a lesson, least then you could make a valid argument against SandT.

[@fradaja]

LETS SE IF WE CAN FINALLY GET THIS TROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL!!!!! WHO YOU PREFER TO BE HIT BY, a heavyweight boxer? or a lightweight boxer?

[@fradaja]

arnold palmer used to do it!!?

[@BillyDee159]

Hitting the same spot on the ground with every swing, would make anybody a better player. Look at the practice debits of any really good players. They move backwards with a swing and leave a perfect straight line of divots because they’re hitting the ground in front of the ball every time…… if you’re hitting the ball, fat or thin, the stack and tilt method is the answer - - get your weight on your left side swing back move hips forward laterally and your head goes backwards works every time

[@trusou1]

... The one plane swing does the same thing and more efficiently...without creating a reverse C in your back thus straining it... If you set your weight on your lead leg and make that leg, hip, and knee your axis. The results will be the same. Consistent release = straighter, further shots IJS..

[@fradaja]

do you find all the best players didnt slide that much?

[@12496k]

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[@andypatnou]

It doesnt hurt you back,

[@SquirrelFromGradLife]

yeah the tanker will send the ball miles hitting it at 20 mph.... yeah.... right...

[@johngolfi]

has any tour player "really" gotten better beacuse of the stack and tilt?

[@johnclark3697]

I gave this stuff a serious try. now, who do I invoice my Chiropractor bill to?

[@knealagent]

WTF are you doing with this swing to need a chiropractor?

[@kenmcanally4354]

Wrong Tom, none of these used S&T....but they do have one thing in common: The same impact position. The thing is though...they rotated back before they rotated onto it...not "static at it" as S&T suggests. Nicklaus confirms that resistance to hip rotation braced inside/against, a flexed right leg, created leverage to power the downswing through his legs. Shoulder turn does not do much...unless it is resisted by the hips. OOPS. sorry, I forgot...S&T does not do either of these things !.

[@shockkkkkkkkk]

I don't know if I've seen a longer youtube debate (pissing contest)

[@fradaja]

these are the facts,,to send any object any distance you need momentum! to create momentum you need velocity x mass, so the less mass you have the more velocity you need and vice versa,so what you are saying is S&T bypasses the laws of physics LOL

[@sandersuperfollador]

i dont like stack and tilt beacuse too much weight on the left side causes the ball fly too low

[@fradaja]

yes if a ball/earth club/lampost was to hit you the momentum of the earth would be transfered via the cub/lampost............thats the feeling you get when you get your weight behind the ball at impact!.......remember what i said about swinging slower? but getting better results? thats because you use your weight properly ITS CALLED TIMING, transferring your mass at impact to the clubhead!! at impact creates distance you can swing like a banshee...and hit it nowhere! or you can time one! BOOM!

[@andypatnou]

everyone does not say that...i know for a fact that MANY people know that when you extend your spine it releives compression from the lower back...its really basic stuff...

[@fradaja]

so i showed him how to keep is swing connected, first by telling him to stop his wrists cocking, then using his hips and getting him to do a slowish sweep,with no wrists he hit 5 balls first 2 were AIR shots then he hit a massive slice then another and finally he connected with the longest drive have ever seen! just through connecting his body to the clubead,,,there is no power in the arms! you can swing as fast as you like with your arms, there is little mass in your arms, its in the legs and

[@jasonbourne488]

To date, I haven’t seen any of the consistently top winning tour players use this system.

[@justinpeterson2105]

True. But that's hardly evidence that it doesn't work. Still, it WILL take a big star for it to become "accepted". If that matters.

[@brucedowell4438]

Naren, Cheka, Charles Howell, and many others are top players using this. If you’re a tour player, you’re absolutely a top player.

[@justinpeterson2105]

@@brucedowell4438 Yes, but, errantly, people think "if Top 10 golfers aren't doing this, it's not valid". That does not make sense, but that is what many people think.

[@BillyDee159]

So what, you are watching UTube you are not a tour player…..S&T allows you to hit the same spot on the ground ahead of the ball ie., ball first like all good players…. pros all get to the left side quickly even though they’re not using the stack and tilt method that’s why they always hit the same spot on the ground each time and compress the ball. Forget about what they do and worry about what amateurs can do it.

[@jasonbourne488]

@@BillyDee159 You’ll see I made that comment 2 years ago. I’ve moved on to much better and more modern swing systems. Feel free to do more research as I did.

[@fradaja]

i completely understand what it means i understand now! and i understood when i passed my physics exam when i was 16 i've known this for 25 years!! but you still don't grasp something i learned when i was 12!!! i think that say's a lot!.......your fail to understand stationary mass has no momentum, this is made apparent with your "LEAD BOOTS" analogy, if you give that mass speed/velocity..........then you create momentum?

[@ybya923]

steve sieracki is the fucking man!

[@Jospehporta]

@blackkow87 Baddely says that S&T has cost him millions in bad performances and he has gone back to his old swing. He basically said it doesn't work and none of the best players in the world would go near it.

[@EE-ie9gm]

Where does he say this?

[@fradaja]

so in your eyes the fastest swing wins period?

[@fradaja]

"power of force" no i'm not familiar with this, is it a scientific term?LOL please feel free to elaborate!

[@ddahlquist]

really they are not not possible. They are however teaching face and path relations to tour players and showing what fits for the motions that they do. They by no means are making robots. However for the average joe they are fixing the slice. Thats the real deal.

[@shawakwak]

Yup Tiger Woods and I have 14 majors between us.

[@fradaja]

rory lost his body fat and put on muscle mass which also helped him gain swing speed,so he gained mass and velocity plus he has a fantastic technique,which ensures he uses the extra body mass combined with swing speed at impact! he also has the fastest hips in the game!! but you think that isn't important!!!

[@fradaja]

what your genetics?

[@fradaja]

fucked my back up!

[@CAsHizZ]

Don't lol If you just make sure that your left arm and leg are in a straight line at impact and you achieve virtualy everyting this swing makes it eaiser to do but with more clubhead speed becuase you actually have a weight transfer

[@fradaja]

if you read the full thing it makes perfect sense Jethro,he had a disconnected swing,he wasn't using his body and legs, like sitting in a chair and throwing a ball, A HA HA please read properly Jethro!

[@SquirrelFromGradLife]

So you still can't ask a question that makes any kind of sense!

[@spartanstackandtilt]

@sandersuperfollador if you are hitting the ball too low you are not doing the swing correctly. Get a lesson from a SandT instructor and you will find that sandt does not promote low ball flight. If all you're doing is keeping your weight left you will run into a lot of problems. Charlie Wi hits the ball pretty high.

[@jasonricco5835]

Love the stack n tilt people laugh say its an old technique I shot an 84 he shot a 104 hhhhmmmm ill stack n tilt

[@fradaja]

yes i think that sounds about right providing i don't lose swing speed

[@SquirrelFromGradLife]

Given all else equal and the only difference being their weight the ball will travel the exact same distance because they're hitting the ball with the exact same force. If Jamie adds 10% body weight in the form of some weights he doesn't hit 10% further! That's simply NOT how it works and that's NOT how you calculate MASS in any way shape or form! If he could do that, he would do it in a heartbeat because adding 10% distance is HUGE!

[@fradaja]

OH JETHRO! i love it when you call me idiot, its like john merrick(the elephant man) call you ugly! LOL if you could manage to swing a 15 stone golf club at 120 mph i think its fair to say you'd knock the fuck out of it! when are you gonna answer this....... WHO WOULD YOU RATHER BE PUNCHED BY? A HEAVYWEIGHT BOXER OR A LIGHTWEIGHT BOXER?

[@theusedish]

he looks like a more sophisticated version of Owen Wilson haha

[@samimalmstrom]

It really worked for tour pro's, so well that most of them resorted to their old swing.

[@justinpeterson2105]

People said Bryson would never win with his unconventional swing ... and they had to eat their words. There have been and there are pros with this swing, but ... when 99% of young people are taught the conventional swing, it is normal for it to dominate the PGA.

[@TheSeer101]

This is all wrong! On the backswing the key is getting the left hip to move out toward the ball. This will cause you to rise up and therefore give more swing arc and distance to swing down on. At the top of the swing all the weight should be on the inside right heel. Then on the Downswing your shoulders should move laterally along with the hipswhile the right and left knees straighten. I am a great player and this is what I look like on film

[@fradaja]

ok then lets put it another way you have a choice a fighting the heavyweight champion of the world or the flighweight champion who do you choose to fight? just answr the fuckin question!

[@kenmcanally4354]

On their site all they do is defend their method by criticizing the traditional method. Apparently Tiger Woods and Greg Norman both had surgery because of the traditional methods........no mention of the fact that they also won 20 Majors with them....

[@SquirrelFromGradLife]

Actually your swing is nothing like this technique! It's the exact opposite and the more traditional wide semi weight transfer swing you're employing by your own account. S&T basically uses rotation to gain club head speed. It requires great flexibility in order to have a swing like Michael Bennett because of the huge shoulder and hip rotation.

[@spartanstackandtilt]

@RandiesUnite most of us are not touring professional or professional athletes, so it really doesn't matter. You, me, and 99.9999% of golfers are not as gifted as the touring pro dead last in the rankings. The SandT model is simplified way to strike a golf ball. It promotes keeping weight forward, bc most golfers hit behind the ball. It promotes a slight in to out swing bc most golfers come over the top. It is just another effective way to hit a golf ball.

[@shawakwak]

Not really. they teach a pattern. ou can see from the S&T players on the PGA Tour that they look different. Weir, Badds, Wilson. Similar action but very different.

[@fradaja]

you don't understand basic physics Jethro, without mas or velocity you cannot have momentum you have to increase any of these factors to increase momentum, JUST one question have you ever swung easy and creamed it miles?

[@fradaja]

why is a jab less lethal than a straight right?or right cross ? mmmmmm look ill tell you because a jab is from the shoulder! it doesn't use the boxers weight as much! where as a boxer users his full body mass for KO'S and hurter's but you need to know how to get your bodyweight behind the punch! its exactly the same as striking a golf ball!