Standard Rotation Proof BANT CONTROL?!😭 MTG Gameplay & Deck Tech

[@elderlich7562]

For those of you wondering, Covert Go Blue said that one of the moments that made him love magic was watching a tournament be won by a mill deck. That's his villain origin story.

[@PardonMyGut]

covert is a hero. Mill is fun, just not helping you learn magic after a point. I’m a fan and I stand by the enemy of jin-gitaxias. I said what I said lol

[@LaurentCassaro]

One of the things that made me love this game was winning my first tournament ever with an Academy deck, back then when it was standard legal. Good ol' Tempest. Making your opponent DRAW his deck on turn 3 was priceless 😈

[@_Ve_98]

​​@@LaurentCassarofor me it was discovering reanimator back when Drakuseth was legal and being like... "Oh, wait. Your graveyard is also a resource and discarding/milling can be an upside? Now that's interesting." I had played Hearthstone before, but it just didn't click with me to this level.

[@aR0ttenBANANA]

@@_Ve_98 Drakuseth and Agent of Treachery Grixis reanimator. fun times

[@malachorfives]

as someone who can't stand control I think it's fun and educational to watch you play it. don't know wtf kind of problems some people have. thank you for another great video!

[@krimhorn]

The truest test of a Magic player is how they answer the question: "Who's in control when you're playing against Control?" My take: it's not the Control player who's in control of the game. It's a reactive archetype so the right way to play it is to put them on point for always having the answer to your questions. You dodge and feint with your plays to draw out their answers (and plinking them as you go if they let things through) until they're left with nothing and then you drop your important cards that close out the game. I say this as someone who enjoys being on the side of Control from time to time as well. I NEVER feel in control of a game until the opponent is in top-deck mode and I have a grip full of answers. At that point skill test #2 comes in: can you identify when you've lost the game and it's best to move on to the next?

[@tedholic99]

​@krimhorn This. It might feel aggravating to go against but believe me when I say playing control is like defusing a bomb. Stressful af 😂

[@LaurentCassaro]

​@@krimhornYou're one of the few that understand it. Control against control is FOR ME when this game is the most interesting.

[@breakingthewall2112]

Yes it's interesting to see what will happen to blue white control after rotation. So tired of the hag and deluge. I'm sure the new set will bring sum new terrible control folder but hopefully control won't be so oppressive and boring

[@breakingthewall2112]

​@@krimhornIt's just that with all these sets there are so many board wipes/answers is just unfair/boring

[@Davealapoo]

I'm just here in the comments to feed the damn algorithm so KZbin works for our bestie

[@dipian]

She's our bestie!!

[@Ashlizzlle]

ITS BEEN A ROUGH WEEK😭

[@DunnBowman3866]

A noble effort

[@blobzombie]

Bant's awesome! Sloth would be proud of you. 🤘🎃

[@marcowefers6990]

Ash thank you so much for trying to make a control deck even if it’s not your fav, the lurking control mages really appreciate it! :D

[@Ashlizzlle]

💜

[@RedJadeArt]

42:24 was gonna say it’s funny you mentioned CGB because this deck seems right up his alley. Although he wouldn’t have any win cons in it at all except for like one realm breaker

[@Ashlizzlle]

BIG Fan of CGB!!

[@not_simon6983]

A Rakdos demon has lost its wings, am enjoying the video tho

[@KPCSlor]

I love the decks by request for supporting the channel. That's a win-win for the fans and the content creator.

[@williamwalton9154]

Man, I forgot how BAD mana was going to be after rotation. We have been very spoiled for a long time. Mono Black looks to be the WAY at the moment.

[@ramongomez4612]

I love that you took on this challenge! It’s great to see what are the options and struggles for various decks moving forward. I think some people missed the point about this deck. Bant without help won’t make for a good control deck. Which could be a good or a bad thing.

[@Jack-Onee-san]

Hey Ash, did you consider using Farsight Ritual in place of memory deluge? It's 2UU Instant. Bargain. Look at the top 4 Cards of your library put 2 in hand and 2 bottom the other 2 in a random order, if this spell was bargained look at the top 8 instead. This opens lines like cycling your clue tokens or small incubators post sunfall or use a spare cornicopia to dig. Would also enable lines like curve into temp lockdown turn 3, turn 4 bargain it on opps endstep to dig for a wrath or set up the turn. In this list every card aside from jace, no more lies, and the creatures can pay for the bargain. Oh and the map tokens from anchorage can be used to dig too!

[@EggsAreGood55]

Yeah that's honestly the best replacement for deluge. Really the only difference is no flashback. Surprised more people don't know about this.

[@Jack-Onee-san]

@@EggsAreGood55 Yea the fact that deluge could dig through 11 cards and draw 4, or generate value off of discard effects is going to hurt.

[@jack21222]

This video explains one of the decks I played against yesterday.

[@zgore14]

Besstyyy saw you playing some standard at Magicon this afternoon ! Thanks for the video 🙌

[@Ashlizzlle]

Gotta love standard💜

[@KPCSlor]

Control decks makes me learn patience. Not my favorite, but won't use those cards otherwise. R+

[@Pug8]

Yaaaaaaas 🎉🎉🎉 love taking up the challenge 😊

[@mariand.1087]

Many things seem off with this shell and I believe could be improved. First, I would not run any pain lands in a control deck as a baseline. 25 lands is also a tad too few. If you don't want to go overboard I'd settle for 26. Second, there aren't that many spells to trigger Beans, so I'd experiment by cutting that in favor of maybe a package of Spelunking + tapped duals (if we aim to keep things in bant colors). Third, there not enough instant speed spot removal do deal with every BS creature that can solo you and you'll probably die before getting to cast a board wipe. I'd look into adding maybe some Elspets Smites in the main or something similar. This is from someone who played a fair amount of control in current standard and these are the points I see to improve. The rest, we'll see what the next set brings. Cheers and keep doing a good job with the videos!

[@Horchata4lyfe]

It took control a long time to become a thing in this standard. I imagine it won't be a thing until at least another set or two after BLB. Def some cool ideas though!

[@curtiss9038]

Wait till ppl realize that aggro enthusiasts know how to pilot control the best bc we get punished by misplays against them more than anyone 😅

[@dmcdante1991]

Idk about the dust animus or the up the bean stalk just because there are so few activator cards. Nice starting point for me to tinker though, thanks!

[@KT-ki6gz]

The day Sunfall gets rotated out will be a very good day

[@kaemonbonet4931]

You were the chosen one! You were supposed to save the meta not lead it into darkness! 😭 Jokes aside, it's a cool deck! Big teferi is one of my favorite Planeswalkers. Give me a vigilant chasm skulker any day!

[@LaurentCassaro]

Yes but she has the High Ground

[@_Ve_98]

Cornucopia is great, but it feels like it's made for a different kind of deck. You just don't have enough 2 color spells to make it work. Maybe in Naya, with lighting helix, annie joins up and maybe quintorius? Idk. Right now it seems hard to find a home for it other than domain.

[@Ashlizzlle]

I mean the lifegain eventho it was just 1 at a time + mana fixing felt very strong but i agree it wasnt optimally used

[@DamienRowley]

Is Aven Interrupter playable in standard? I find it can essentially skip an opponent's 3rd or 4th turn and disrupt the tempo of the more aggro decks. Blocks show-off and can re-plot it with the extra 2 mana tax.

[@LaurentCassaro]

It's actually good in mid-range decks to delay sweepers, but not in control decks, in my opinion. It's also way too slow against monored and boros.

[@breakingthewall2112]

Very good with High noon or an all flyers build ect

[@DamienRowley]

@breakingthewall2112 I play it in pioneer, but rarely see it in standard streams. It's great with Soul Partition, too.

[@DamienRowley]

@LaurentCassaro I play kind of a weird pio aggro control list, and Aven is often helping close out games alongside Surge Engine/Bank Bustie Besties. It's probably not as good in regular control with more sweepers.

[@schwarzerkaterbajun3712]

The end of white/blue Controll and the Emperor🎉🤣🥳

[@Darkeep12]

Give it time. Azorius always rises again.

[@Ashlizzlle]

🥳🥳

[@lordsnowdragon7834]

Love control

[@spaceghost_87]

Had some good ❄️ snorting a lot 😂

[@curtiss9038]

It’s called being sick weirdo

[@dallinhilton3189]

I can’t wait for the bloomburrow lizard deck

[@cubandarknez]

glad to see control's performance take a hit post rotation. Hopefully the midrange decks aren't too degen though since that is also unfun.

[@EggsAreGood55]

I agree. So sick of facing control decks over and over lately.

[@daddopanno887]

What have you done to ash?😮

[@ervinlathrop7195]

Of the controls for upcoming rotation I think Jeskai might stand a better position

[@Ashlizzlle]

100% agree, zurgo and ojutai will be a good finisher

[@fosterark]

Ey yo, bestie! Are you going to do a video about MC Amsterdam? I keep seeing images of you and JLK floating around

[@Ashlizzlle]

I can do that!

[@Garroburg]

No 5/3 flash sphinx ? seems good to close the game too

[@Thehoneybadger90]

what does a red aggro deck has as sideboard?

[@shaxosYT]

Great video as usual, not sure why people bitch about you playing control... On a separate note, as you're fan of Pearl, I think you may enjoy the short interview with the director, Ti West, that came out on the CineFix YT channel. He talks about his favorite shots across his movies.

[@Ashlizzlle]

Will check it out, thank you💜

[@TheZouKal]

Poor Ash 😭 Good work tho !

[@Ashlizzlle]

I SURVIVED

[@erebusnyght414]

Dino deck

[@GraniteOwlBear]

With all the complaining about Ash playing control, think of this as important opposition research for the upcoming meta changes.

[@Fovulonkiin]

I learned to never say I like control, like hot damn the toxic reactions I have gotten... Anyway, I personally think it's more fun in paper and in a friendly environment. On Arena you get spammed "Your go" for anything that takes more than 2 seconds (but then they have the time to rope you anyway like wtf). The only rotation safe deck I currently have is Mono Black Discard and I don't like playing it (and against it) at all, despite having an 80% winrate with it. Yet somehow I mostly read about blue/control hate. Idk, but having to constantly discard (super fun when you had to mulligan..), playing with an open hand (thanks Bat...) and a ton of removal plus super high value creatures, graveyard recursion, deathtouch and lifelink.. I always have the feeling Black is pretty busted, but that's just it: a personal opinion. If people have to insult others for playstyles they don't like, maybe check your priorites in life and do as the kids say: touch some grass. And I think the beauty of Magic is having all those different archetypes. You don't need to like them all, but playing them yourself, can help you tons for when you play against them later. Sorry for the rant, but yay algorithm and stuff. Get well soon Ash and thanks for the videos!

[@LaurentCassaro]

Exactly. MtG is a game that ALLOWS YOU to choose your style. Even one as dumb FOR ME as monored. As for the ropers... I LOVE THEM 😂 I mean, nothing as satisfying as seeing your opponent litteraly crying because you've won 🤣

[@Fovulonkiin]

@@LaurentCassaro I love mono red as well, both playing myself and playing against. Most games are over on turn 4, some even turn 3, it's nicely quick. Perfect for the daily wins. But I am not sure I'd enjoy it playing in paper (hard to tell, when no one near me plays Magic IRL and I have to travel 2h for something like Pre-Releases, last time for Wilds of Eldraine, soon again for Bloomburrow). Agree with the roping, I can just watch something on a second monitor while they throw their little tantrum. I mean, they're wasting their time as well, so... :D

[@LaurentCassaro]

@@Fovulonkiin I think you would HATE playing monored in paper tournaments. Rounds are one hour long, and you would spent most of the day WAITING for the others to finish PLAYING.

[@Ashlizzlle]

💜🥹 appreciate you!

[@JohnnyTightIips]

Engaging with content baybeeeee

[@Ashlizzlle]

appreciate u hehe

[@spomsmaghetti506]

Comment for Algorithm go BRR...

[@loganmccoy1741]

I think it's funny that you say you couldn't be paid to make this deck but you made this because someone technically paid you to make this

[@NicolGolas]

Control Ash era, its over for everyone else

[@alexedingfield5222]

I dont understand why you needed to be so condescending to the dude who was just lightly trashing control decks. Its common and generally socially acceptable in magic for everyone to complain about control decks. I rewatched a couple of games maybe there was stream chat that didnt make it to the youtube, but otherwise I found it extremely unkind.

[@Ashlizzlle]

I just gave the dude his energy back..? It's so childish to hate on someone for the deck they play dude.. Ofcourse im gonna slam that behavior down...