Stanton Switch9er vs Sherpa vs Slackline vs Switchback vs Steel vs Ti. Stanton Buyer's Guide w/Dan

[@fpeter01]

The fact alone that he makes 27,5" hardtails in 2024, when every single big company abandoned it, earns a lot of respect.

[@SWFBrickbox]

I agree! I'm pretty sure banshee also still makes 27.5 hardtails!

[@sofly5493]

Karate monkey!

[@johnnydodgem4369]

I think Starling have a 27.5 frame, but I agree, this option is a big reason I return to Stanton.

[@derekdoucet2625]

He not only makes 27.5 hardtails, he makes phenomenal ones. My Switchback Ti is hands down my favorite bike I’ve ever owned. I’m loving my new Gen 4 Sherpa too. They compliment each other perfectly in the stable, too.

[@michaelrieser9928]

Got a Stanton slackline, my first steel frame since 2003. Rides excellent. I run it mullet and love it. That’s my favorite but the all 27.5 is great too. Amazing how both set ups can be appealing.

[@bktsoat]

I’ve missed you, Steve. Long live HTP!

[@hardtailparty]

Thank you, I've missed you all as well.

[@johnster187]

Steve from Hardtail Party with Dan Stanton rides the peak district in the Uk is the episode we all wanna see!!! Thx a lot guys!!!!! Switch9er 4 life.........................✌🍻

[@hardtailparty]

That would be amazing. Maybe once my health is restored ill make a trip out there.

[@sespela]

@@hardtailpartyI think a few of us Patreons would help fund the trip. 👍🏻

[@nosamsemaj]

@@sespela Absolutely!

[@derekdoucet2625]

The other thing I appreciate about Stanton is the customer service. When I have questions, I get prompt, thorough, accurate and genuinely friendly replies from Dan himself. Huge thanks for that, Dan.

[@francoisjoly7696]

Dan is a cream. 8 years ago, he wrote me an email to tell me that he had 2 Switchback MK1 left in stock as he was launching the MK2 version. I was in contact with him for 2 years, 'cos I was in love with his bikes but couldn't afford one. He thought about me and proposed me a ridiculous price for the kit... and 8 years after, my green emerald Switchback is still in my life. That's the thing about bying stuffs to small companies: you really can feel the human factor and the passion. I have the same experience with Raaw and Ruben as I built a Madonna recently. Ask him anything and he will reply with kindness. Support small brands and buy their products. They are often good and the human factor is great. Cheers!

[@konajona3878]

Dan Stanton, founder of a genuine company, Amazing Brand & a Total Genius 🙌

[@MidlifeMTBdude]

Gen 4 Sherpa Ti in garage awaiting first ride. Just love looking at the thing! Can’t wait to get some UK mud under those wheels :-)

[@hardtailparty]

Congrats on a beauty of a bike!

[@2020EBK]

Thank you Dan and Steve for sharing with us this knowledge! More please !

[@Willard_guy]

Just got my Gen4 sherpa TI in the other day and can't wait until I get all my parts in to build it up. I walk over to my bike stand at least once an hour to just stare at it's beauty.

[@derekdoucet2625]

Took my first ride on mine a few days ago. It did not disappoint. Enjoy!

[@hmillz941]

How tall are you and which size did you get?

[@Willard_guy]

@@hmillz941 5' 9" and maybe 5' 10" on a good day ended up getting a size 17 as per Dan's recommendation. Sizing is dead on for me.

[@a8f235]

Really good to gain a bit more understanding directly from the source than just thorugh PR information like you as a consumer so often have to rely on. So many bikes you just won't really know until you have bought it, and this talk feels genuine and informative. The other thing is that this company feels passionate and I hope it will be here for many more years to come.

[@ognyc6522]

Got 2 sherpas and love them!

[@JC-ci1bz]

Been riding Stanton's frames for 10 years now; 2014 Sherpa 853, 2018 Switch9er Ti, 2022 Switchback 631...all fantastic frames and distinctly different. The Switch9er is an absolute ripper, I love it, I do not own a short travel full suspension bike because of it. It's the perfect blend of hardtail pedaling efficiency, damped ride compliance, and turn ripping lateral stiffness in an ideal geometry for aggressive and technical riding. 6 years of hard riding, 1000s of miles, dozens of mishaps, it feels and looks as great as it did the day it arrived on my doorstep. I think I'll still be riding it 10 years from now. It's perfect. Excited about the prospect of backward compatible sliding and UDH dropouts...when might we see those Dan?

[@cycling_plurality]

My heart strings are pulled in all directions!!! I literally LET-RLL-EEE (British accent) listened to it twice.

[@LOLwth65]

Just built up a 140mm Switch9er Ti in Oct last year and am constantly impressed with the bike feel and what the bike is capable of doing really. I even got rid of my short travel full sus (130front 125rear travel) as I kept going back to this bike as it is comfortable on roots and rocks, down steeper black diamond trails, and really efficient on climbs without beating you up at all Great good job explaining the Switch9er Ti in a nutshell and yes, it does ruin the expectations of a hardtail or the quality/feelings that you may start looking for in the frame of the bike

[@jonthomas8487]

Great video. Back in 2017/2018 I was between jobs and had severance along with a new job so I had some extra money. I was talking to Dan online about getting a bike but at that time they didn’t have any dealers and most were to be purchased from UK frame only given shipping cost. Now that I know more I should have just bought the frame and had a local shop build it. I ended up getting a GG Pedalhead and it was so much of a lead sled and so uncomfortable I hated riding it and sold it. I now have a Timberjack so given it’s all conventional BB and such I could get a Stanton frame and move parts over possibly

[@felixjackson2670]

Three years ago ditched my Carbon Hardtail frame and built onto Stanton 853 Sherpa..now running Carbon Rigid fork. Love it. The Stanton range of frames take some beating. The level of understanding and experience with this brand is outstanding.

[@roydy1210]

Took all my parts from a YT Jeffsy and put them on a Switch9er. So much more fun, not looked back. Got my eye on an 853 Slackline now to take my alu 27.5 HT parts off for my long ride bike. Think this might have made me pull the trigger on it! Amazing bikes

[@Chorge1972]

If you‘d live in Germany, I could offer you a Slackline Gen2 😉

[@roydy1210]

@Chorge1972 I ordered the Slackline and hopefully building this weekend! 😀

[@hardmtnbiker]

As a person who owned and still owns several Ti and Steel hardtail’s and gravel bikes.I’m always amazed by how much more I learn from your channel. Personally I also love the fact that Stanton offers drop out options. While everyone in America is convinced that Boost spacing is the only way to go. I have nice non-boost forks and hubs I use and will continue rebuilding and using, especially my SS Specific hubs from Hope,Hadley and ONYX. Thanks Steve, and thanks Stanton for taking the time to share.

[@francoisjoly7696]

Thanks Steve for that new video, the complicity and friendship you have with Dan is great, as much as his fantastic frames. I've got a Switchback MK1 for 8 years now, and except few dents, that machine is still giving me so much fun. I'd like to get an upgrated version of it, only because of the rear tyre clearance which is limited, but I can live with it. BTW: I swapped my fork lastly from a 44mm rake to a 37 one and I'd say that... I rediscover my bike, not that it was awkward, but the 37mm rake gives it so much more agility. The difference is huge. Would you make a subject about forks' rake in a near future, unless you already did it? Thanks again Steve. Cheers from France!

[@hardtailparty]

@@francoisjoly7696 already did it, see my enve fork test

[@br9760]

MAN I wanna see a video on the new Stanton Sedona.

[@hardtailparty]

As soon as pre orders are open I'll release my first look video with geo and info

[@ThomasDiFrancesco-Schäfer]

Hello Steve, good to see you. I like the paint jobs of the 27.5"....really cool. The frames are beautiful. Thanks for that much input about frames and what they are good for. Regards from Germany.

[@RANDA11FLAGG]

Iv had a switchback ti since December . First hardtail Iv had in over 20 years and it moves. I can do 20 miles and hardly sit down on the seat . Best bike Iv ever had .

[@aluminumhorserider6197]

6:05 ,when Dan started talking about stability when starting to pedal hard before a kicker jump or gap jump. I can confirme this with switch9er. Never had so stabile frame preventing me to go of side or dead sailor. I can now literally pedel almost into a jump,bike stabilizes before take off.. combined with low BB this is even more pronounced. One only has to be careful about crank lenght if you ride in rock garden areas ,165-170 mm max.

[@hardtailparty]

What length fork are you running?

[@aluminumhorserider6197]

@@hardtailparty 150 mm but purchased heavily discounted 175mm GX crancks🙈

[@schlooonginator1227]

So confidence inspiring to listen to the designer have such a thorough knowledge of the materials, tubing diameters and the behaviors of each material. I swear most companies just pick a tube set that's already established and slap it in.

[@lisarobertson5165]

I'm so excited to get a Sherpa gen 4 ordered. You are the only company the are able to produce a frame based on me being short a*se. As well as stunning colours to choose from: now to choose a colour!

[@mikej1348]

I’m happy there is someone making the 27.5 frames too. There must be a few other builders doing the same?

[@mathew435]

Awesome video! Would love to pick up a Stanton some day.

[@stephenking2869]

Love this! Dan is such a great dude. Love seeing you guys chat about HTs. That Switchback paint job is 🔥🔥🔥!

[@hardtailparty]

Dan is indeed a great guy. Lifelong friend for sure.

[@stefanwehe8778]

I bought a switch9er a little over a year ago, its my 5th hardtail. I gotta say, everything they say seems to be true, the frame feels fantastic! i guess i would just change to another stanton or just buy the same again but in another color ;)

[@_Doodle-bob]

Steve, you are looking great. I hope your health is doing alright, love your videos, thanks for all you do.

[@rcismyhobby]

I love my custom Sherpa Ti to bits!

[@davet4051]

Super interesting discussion! I'm not sure when I'll be able to justify another bike, but Stanton is on the short list. This conversation was quite helpful.

[@mellissanash7517]

I think we were all hoping to see more of that sweet Sedona with that sweet retro paint.

[@pilotjcm]

I love my Sherpa!! Thanks for your recommendation. Great product and almost 3 years of full of weekly fun!

[@MTBIasi]

I simply love my Sherpa! Amazing and confidence inspiring allrounder! Climbs like a goat, descends like a snowball.

[@pauls3616]

Always enjoy a video with Dan. Thanks HP for the video.

[@joppek77]

Love to hear Dan the man talk about his hardtails! 😀

[@brendanford4850]

Love my Slackline 853. Great vid thanks.

[@grimejias]

The Stanton Switch9er is the best bike for enjoy ridding i've ever had. Smoothc solid and confortable... and also so so fast in dh's... sometimes you forget that you're ridding a hardtail. What a joy of bike!

[@danielhartwig3150]

What a fleet of amazing frames. Thanks Steve! I agree, steel/titanium hardtails have a soul.

[@daviddorson5111]

I absolutely love my Slackline, being a shorter rider, who values comfort but loves to have fun when riding, it's a proper Goldilocks bike.

[@justgo4033]

Awesome video. Love the experimental paint job . I’d choose the slackline .

[@MattieHagedorn]

Love my Sherpa Ti! Highly recommended

[@shrubjr893]

Steve! So good to have a Hardtail Party Video!!! Stanton's seem awesome, but I can't afford to do new bike day too often. My Maniak should have wheels on the ground this month though!!! So excited!! I'd love to see an update vid about your Maniak, I need validation, hahaha, not. I spent all the money, can't change now. But it'd be sweet to have more Maniak content to watch! Keep up the good work Steve, love your videos!! 👍😎

[@hardtailparty]

I wish i were healthy enough to ride my maniak and film it. It's a great bike.

[@shrubjr893]

@@hardtailparty I'm sorry its rough for ya. I'll just be thrilled to watch whatever ya can whenever you can. I'm rootin for you and wishin you the best Steve!

[@MrTrixton]

ok, i love my brand new slackline. it just disappears beneath you, never complains about power delivery, composed in tech, no fighting big wheels, low BB. i can keep up with 29rs just as well and clear tricky features better. im 5/11 too, so i don't need a 27.5 just like it better.

[@dozgulpmus]

Always love to see both of you. Hopefully next time will be riding together. 🤙

[@hardtailparty]

I hope so too!

[@wardwillis9127]

Great content. The people love you, bro! HTP sizzles. Rooting for you and your health to come around!

[@hardtailparty]

🙏

[@rhettetherington1351]

Great video. I love my Gen3 switch9er. It's possibly a bit too much bike for my riding, but it's so good on the rough stuff in its home peak district trails. Thanks, Dan and Steve

[@Babel368]

Steve, I love your channel!!!

[@Vaughn3d.]

Im sitting at my desk wishing i could leave work and ride my UK Switch9er…amazing bike!

[@jurisx85]

Great videos. I would get the Sherpa Steel. That mint green is so good.

[@William.N]

Are these frames UDH compatible? I cant find that on the site.

[@hardtailparty]

Dan will be releasing a udh hanger and sliding dropouts soon

[@Penofhell]

What about the Sedona ? Can we get a geo chat for it at least ?! Pretty please :D ?

[@hardtailparty]

Yes, as soon as we finish the iso strength teats and open up pre orders ill release a special first look vid on thr Sedona.

[@Penofhell]

​@@hardtailparty ❤ can't wait !

[@Chorge1972]

True words!!! 100% My Stanton Slackline Gen2 is so joyfull to ride (150mm fork). Super comfortable when compared to my old KLEIN Aluminium frames or the OnOne I had before! Can nearly go DH as fast as with my Pivot Switchblade… nearly… ;-) Just ordered a Switch9er frame now - sorry, not the expensive UK made - to get 29ers in, and a slacker geo for even more fun on the trails! It will replace my SlackGen2 - if it handles uphills as well as it…

[@wrighty338]

Been a diehard Orange fan especially their Crush & P7's but damn i could go for a Stanton sometime

[@martyarnwine]

Great vid. Love the passion Dan has talking about his frames. Was this filmed during a break in last summer’s AZ death March? 😀

[@hardtailparty]

This was filmed a week before the death march. Poor Dan. We had to turn the A/C off to film this, and it was about 90*. He almost melted while filming this. He's a good sport.

[@martyarnwine]

Part of the acclimation process. I’m afraid to go the Peak District and have Dan extract revenge!

[@dubioussource]

Hey Steve, did you ever ride the Slackline? Interested in how it compares to the Sherpa in 27.5+.

[@reggieringgoldjr68]

Great Video and very informative as well Steve, I appreciated that this morning Brother. It's great to see you still getting it in My Man. Keep your Head up Steve, and I'll definitely keep you and your Family in PRAYER.......🙏🏾🤝🏾🇺🇸💪🏾🫡

[@ericpmoss]

Super nice! BTW, ask if he ever uses K-O-M hubs on his bikes. Those are suuuuper cool hubs -- I'm building a wheel from one, and esp in a Boost configuration, they are superb designs.

[@darrengruendel3466]

How about some commentary on STA and ST length? Length seems to be getting better in latest versions but I guess they do not do a lot of uphill grinding in the UK as the STA doesn’t seem to fit with your other commentary.

[@mikeblakeley4012]

Great video Steve! Where does the Sedona fit in with this line? Currently riding a Switch9er but the idea of a more playful 29er sounds fun-unless I have it wrong. Love HP!

[@hardtailparty]

I just released a video on the sedona. Its different from the rest of these. It's meant for fun at slower speeds. Its like the sherpa and the slackline had a baby

[@slimdog72]

Thank you gentlemen.

[@schlooonginator1227]

Great advice to emphasize what is it you realistically ride because the marketing is sooo strong towards Enduro, big gaps, massive drops and all that is awesome but most of us aren't doing that and to buy a bike built for that and end up doing long trail rides you'll lose out on a lighter, more comfortable ride. There are riders who will use the more robust bikes but I think most are not going to use that bikes capabilities. I had to do the same thing when looking at my first full suspension. The lure of 160mm Enduro big hitter bikes that get all the attention was strong but sober second thought forced me to realize I am never going to ride like that and a light trail bike with 120mm of travel was much more inline with how I really ride.

[@marksullivan9575]

Thank you for informational video! Nice frames

[@randyhou8522]

Steve, still waiting for that Slackline review!

[@hardtailparty]

Im still waiting to be healthy enough to ride again and review bikes again

[@fre2045]

Been riding my switch9er for 5 years now and wondering how the sherpa would feel, the switch9er already is the most comfy hardtail I have ever had. Just wish it came with a slightly steeper seat tube... Great vid, Thanks...

[@hardtailparty]

You're going to love the new sedona

[@CreativeFishDesignsCharlotte]

thank you for the insight from yoda

[@Alex_564]

Helpful video, but do you know when we are getting more info on the Gen4 & the Sedona? Thank you.

[@hardtailparty]

gen 4 tech talk is on stanton's youtube channel. The sedona is brand new and won't be available for a few months. As soon as the iso testing is done, ensuring the design is strong enough (it will be), we'll open pre-orders and I'll release my first-look vid.

[@Alex_564]

@@hardtailparty Nice, thank you!

[@Chorge1972]

How much weight difference is between 4130, Reynolds and Titanium on the Switch9er Frame in 18“??

[@wesleywermuth9545]

Awesome video

[@bubbastank3108]

Will there be a Gen4 Switch9er available soon in steel?

[@The070174]

Assume you can run the 27.5” frames mullet with a 29” fork

[@rumbolzpunktde]

Thanks !!

[@thomasmanley6639]

I am looking at buying the Stanton Sherpa but was also looking at the Switch9er. Can you put a 120mm step cast fork on the switch9er?

[@mikeblakeley4012]

Switch9er is for more aggressive riding and bumps, jumps, etc. In other words, consider he Sherpa if you are setting up with a 120. Just my $.02

[@kennyness8881]

I’m very interested but “Sold out” on a UK website does not make me want to order one in the USA: The website needs to do a better job of showing what is in stock, and US distribution would be great.

[@hardtailparty]

The website does show what's in stock. Bikes are built in big batches, so some of these models are awaiting shipment of more. I agree, a US distributor would be wonderful. If you know of someone who would be a good fit, feel free to let us know.

[@MB-ek1ub]

Steel sherpa gen 3. My other bikes are being neglected.

[@hardtailparty]

It's a special bike for sure

[@lisarobertson5165]

Can anyone suggest a fork for a Sherpa about 120mm thats really good quality without blowing the budget (£600-1000)

[@b4oh]

10 out of 10 on the fun and interesting 😊 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@philippehebert2437]

But…. Where’s the Sedona….

[@hardtailparty]

This was filmed before the sedona was built. Ill share tons more info once it passes iso testing and can be pre-ordered.

[@jonamail3143]

Steve can you show us a 27.5 x 2.8 in the Switchback? I’ve got one in the cart on the UK site but I want to run a 2.6 wintertime. Any photos available online show a 2.4 that looking filling to the yoke…

[@hardtailparty]

I dont currently have a 27.5x2.8 wheel/tire set up, just a 3.0. i can confirm that the sherpa fits 2.8, but i realize that's not what youre asking

[@jonamail3143]

Thanks for responding. Unfortunately I have my doubts on a clearance to the yoke (where the semi-circle profile leaves as a taper to the chainstay). In photos a 2.4 tread shoulder corner is pretty close😢 (unavoidable for the assy strength) if you do have chance id be interested to know if a 3.0 does fit. The 2.6 I run on a 40 rim is the suspension I need for my 50yr old ankles!!

[@jonamail3143]

(Although its 2.6 it measures 70mm width)

[@johnnydodgem4369]

​@@jonamail3143 If it helps, I run a Slackline with Hope Fortus 35 wheels. 36t ring. Rear tyre is 27.5 x 2.8 Rocket Ron. No clearance issues at all.

[@jonamail3143]

@@johnnydodgem4369Thanks Johnny I’m tempted by the slackline, but I like the stumpier rear end to the Switchback there’s a difference it being 13mm shorter not much but its gets my stumpy legs more ‘BMX’ over the back wheel my current hardtail is 425mm chainstay but its only giving 4/5mm clearance to sidewall/ tread shoulder.

[@Fro10079]

Bring back the DJ !!!!!

[@Roboto_Gato]

Have you ever heard of Merman Cycles?

[@glen3509]

Titanium 🤘🤘 "YEAH❗️"

[@FOTB407]

Missed the perfect opportunity to talk abt the Sedona smh it’s ok

[@hardtailparty]

This was filmed many months ago, before the Sedona even had a name.

[@syms85]

Mint!

[@hardtailparty]

The perfect frame color

[@Simon-Simon-Simon]

REAR dropout take the new GX AXS

[@rule3036]

Ayup me duck!😂😂

[@glen3509]

If I had 💰12,000 🍁 I'd be buying a Titanium mountain bike; but likely a MOOTS🤘🤘

[@hardtailparty]

Why?

[@glen3509]

@@hardtailparty Why MOOTS?

[@hardtailparty]

Yes, why moots? Im not challenging your opinion, just curious. Ive been mtbing since the 90s, i know their legacy and their reputation. Ive ridden a few MOOTS. I'm just curious why it'd be a moots over something else?

[@glen3509]

@hardtailparty These reasons Steve🤘🤘. I only know of Stanton from watching your channel 👍👍. Nice looking frames 👍👍. I really like the looks of 2000 MOOTS YBB frame🤘🤘

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