Star Citizen's Big Plan To Bring You Back in 2025

[@sanctred]

Game stability, bug smashing, and quality of life improvements mean more to me than ANY feature.

[@mythicallegendary3992]

Then you should probably wait until the game is in beta if that’s the most important thing for you as that’s quite literally the entire point of a beta.

[@sanctred]

@ Oh you’re not wrong, but I’m still going to bang my face bloody on Star Citizen each night. I’ve never heard CIG even talk about a beta stage. They have a path from alpha to 1.0 but no where discuss what a beta phase looks like. Clearly they need to go through a polish phase but will that be a formal public beta? 🤔💭

[@jonneymendoza]

CIG need to actually finish developing all the 1.0 features first like base building , crafting, etc and then focus on polishing and bug fixing. This is how every other software company works.

[@sanctred]

@@jonneymendoza every other software company isn't selling a playable version of their game to fund the development of said game...

[@rhade03]

Focusing on these things in Alpha will increase development time by 2x - 3x. People don't understand that, though. CIG focusing on stability at this point with so many unfinished systems is going to mean they need to cut about 85% of planned features. Otherwise, it's going to be a few decades to get the rest of things in while maintaining "game stability, bug smashing, and quality of life".

[@slybericic4691]

New ships, new game loops, new anything doesn't matter if it's barely playable or not playable at all. I hope CIG sticks with the fix it approach for a while.

[@Why-nr3gn]

You took the words right out of my mouth. I would like the GO**AMN QT to work on the first try. I would like freight elevators to work 99.9% of the time. Where do all the gowns and bottles go? They are everywhere!!! No way this is good for any server!!!!! How about I stop falling thru the world!!!!!!!

[@jonneymendoza]

CIG need to actually finish developing all the 1.0 features first like base building , crafting, etc and then focus on polishing and bug fixing. This is how every other software company works.

[@keysersozeh3576]

Once you can log out, anywhere, and continue where you left off, then I would consider it playable. Starting back in your hab or even hanger because RL got in the way is bad design.

[@Why-nr3gn]

@@keysersozeh3576 Good point.

[@wideaeladormu]

@@keysersozeh3576 once I can do that, and accept a contract and complete it 95% of the time. Without getting stuck in hangar, having elevator not show, fleet manager not working, dying to trying to drink, or anything else before I can even get out to start the contract. THEN i'd consider it a start.

[@themarveluniverseonline]

Star Citizen is at a point were no amount of new ships or "potential" is gonna make up for basic features being broken after 12 years of development.

[@avon_c6199]

Suppose the goodwill of backers is (finally`?) wearing thin after 12+ years...huh?

[@sicitydonmo3016]

@@avon_c6199 well, the most backers are already well established when it comes to their fleet. Most new gamers wait it out until it has multiple finished gameplay loops. But for now there is not even one finished. Reputation means nothing right now so why grind for it, at least most of my friends think this way.

[@TheJack4000111]

Basic features like the hanger doors not opening. Fucking makes me mad.

[@Diogenes76]

Is not really about features for me any more. They just seem lost gameplay and vision wise. Before I liked the plans CR put out, but now we can see they are making something totally different than what they pitched. If they lean into only spacerust I think a lot of people will lose interest.

[@gearsamp92]

@@Diogenes76 Yep this. They had me. This was the game I was most looking forward to since 2014. Whale backer and all... Then last years citizencon and posts afterward has made me lose all interest in what they are making. I'm trying really hard to stay interested. I'm hoping that the vision they sold for 12 years can still be what they deliver eventually. But 1.0 doesn't interest me whatsoever. Its just SpaceRust just like you said.

[@christiangarrett1420]

Star citizen game loop: Deliver ship, retrieve ship, get stuck in elevator, fall through the planet, Alt f4, respawn, retrieve ship, die in hanger due to a game breaking bug, claim ship, wait 5-15 minutes, die again to some game breaking bug in the lobby of the star port, claim ship, wait 5-15 minutes, ship gets eaten by hanger, claim ship, wait 5-15 minutes, crash, reload, claim ship, wait 5-15 minutes, suffocate while wearing a helmet, get impounded before making it out of the dock, claim ship, wait 5-15 minutes, make it off planet, grab a contract, contract breaks and is un unable to completed, Watch the servers die in real time because there are 10,000,000 empty bottles floating in space. Spend 2 hours trying to assemble the crew, server wide 30k.

[@CitizenTechTalk]

Although what you wrote was extremely funny to read, you're spot on correct unfortunately. I'm impressed you went to such lengths to even write that out as well! Fantastic effort. And yeah 2025 looks like it's not going to be great in general. Hopefully at least Star Citizen can come up with at least something to lift the that burden ahead of us moving forward yes? As there's literally nothing else to look forward to in gaming, let alone in reality this year either right? Fingers crossed they finally do something right. 🤞🤞🤞

[@annaconda1991]

Started with 3 friends yesterday as complete noobs we're been following the game for quite a while now, people told us it's not worth because it's full of bugs and there is no real gameplay loop, so after we heard about the 4.0 and the upcoming base building we finally saw hope it being a really fun and we're the kind of people who play a lot of alphas/betas EA's so i would argue that we are kinda used to games being a mess so yea, forgot to say that one of my friends had already played for 5 days prior to me but not really (logged in one for day and watched youtube video guides about the game) so we had a tiny bit of knowledge. Wall of Text incoming - Started off by accidently installing the LIVE 3.2/4? version instead of the 4.0 version - Logged in woke up swung my mouse around and noticed stutter lags, changed to Vulkan Render and noticed that DLSS wasn't on so i had to restart a few times to fix it. Had some capacity errors and infinite loading screens trying to make it work. - Tried adding my Friends ingame so they told me you can't (only in menu) had to reconnect. - Tried to connect via friends on the same Server (never worked) - Ran around solo for a while in Pyro checked out Vendors and followed the Signs - Server Error waited 10 Minutes because friend told me it would relocate me (never happend had to console quit) - Capacity Errors again trying to join my Friend - Friend had Server Error couldn't connect to any EU Servers only US so we decided to go there. - Wouldn't let me connect to my Friends again (decided to stay solo for a few hours) - After streaming discord to get some directions i get into my Hangar started my Ship went out and in landed again and got teleported through the mesh and died instantly. - Woke up in Medical went down again and it happend again. - More crashes and Server Errors (took about 20 min) - Went down Elevator again and got teleported again (noticed it happend everytime it said Unknown's Hangar) - Decided to fly to a lesser populated Area from checkmate to Nest? can't remember - Did a Warp to that location, somehow it broke and got shot by a Npc in 3-4 shots (friend told me because of shields after warp) - Alt F4'd - Tried the same thing again (go to Nest) finally did it, noticed a huge fps difference from 90 to 130+ - Friend told me to set my location in the medical thing - Server Error in front of Elevator (almost quit again) - Elevator problems (not opening doors, Unknown Hangar) - Went into my own Hangar again and we decided to party up again (at least try it) - After researching and trying a lot of things for about 1 hour trying to play together ( rebinding accept button for example ) we transfered to the same Server. - Waited in my Hangar and got teleported again into the Mesh - Went into Hangar spawned my Ship went AFK to watch the POE Announcement Livestream, tabbed back after 20 Minutes and had a blackscreen (apparently AFK kick) - Reconnected after a few tries and it worked again - One of my guys had a big ship already (real real money) because his account was kinda old so we went with 2 Ships instead of 3. - Shared cargo missions and never got a Marker popping up (apparently only alt f4 fixed it) so we did that. - Fix never worked and after finally doing something together after trying for 5 hours we had a Server crash again (waited for 30 Minutes) - Gave up quit the Game. So yea after all of that we still wanna give it a try on Monday since i've read that Servers were poopy today specially in Weekends. I know it's a wall of text but i just wrote it down so people can understand how miserably it is for a set of new players to actually do something. If you've been reading until here thank you for reading.

[@RN1441]

Your experience is totally in line with what I experienced when trying to bring some friends in. I decided back in 2022 that I was going to end my 8 year break from SC to 'let them cook' as shill channels like bored gamer made it sound like 'big things were right around the corner' and bring some friends in with me in 2023 to check out the implemented game play loops. My reasoning was that it was already several years late and if they didn't make serious progress soon I worried the project might fold up without ever completing. We ran into bug after bug after bug just like you did, and in the end one of the friends has sworn never to come back, and the other two are moderately indifferent and will only come back if we play together after the rate of dangerous bugs has gone down by 10x or so. Fast forward to here and now ~two years later and all I can tell you is not to listen to people who suggest that 'everything will change soon' - CIG is just not capable of fixing things at any reasonable rate, and the content they have implemented in the last year has tended to make the game an even more tedious grind.

[@Kamadrion]

I had some issues here and there, but not as bad as you described. I can count the crashes and stuck ships in elevator I had on one hand. Disappearing mission were driving me nuts for a while and I had to turn off my CPUs e-Cores for 4.0 Preview to play lag free, because 13th Gen CPUs are weird? All in all, I believe everyone’s experience is a different kind of annoying and/or bad, but I still had a pleasurable experience so far (2 months) and I can say for certain that I am hooked.

[@lanceobe6801]

You should just uninstall the game and come back in about 3 to 5 years just to check in

[@lordfraybin]

What lanceObe said. Come back in 3 years. FYI - that is considered "Soon" in CIG years.

[@lanceobe6801]

@lordfraybin ha, definitely

[@IndustrialBonecraft]

"Why it's different this time!" Look, I'm pro-Star Citizen, but I swear we've heard this several times before. This is the kind of thing you hear from a sketchy ex-girlfriend.

[@sanctred]

Have we though? I’ve been following from the beginning and I don’t recall an official push for quality and playability. I think 2025 will say a lot about if we are ever going to see an improvement in playability. The stability of the game has consistently gotten worse over the years but they added a ton of features, systems, tech, content breaking tons of things along the way.

[@avon_c6199]

Yeah, that's what I've been thinking. Couple of content creators or crowds within the community have been saying that year in year out for several years like "This will be the year for Star Citizen" and then...pardon my choice of words...and then fckall has happened, or not close to the degree that everyone was huffing hopium over.

[@RN1441]

I took an 8 year break after testing the flight tutorial way back in 2015 to 'let them cook'. I originally intended to make it a 2 year break because you know, Chris was assuring us that 'all of this and more' would be out in 2016 so I figured that waiting to 2017 would be good. Well, life happened, and the 2 year break turned into 8 before I made the mistake of watching shill channels like bored gamer talking about how all sorts of great stuff was *just around the corner* and hyping it up as working pretty well already. I jumped in just in time for 3.17 and I was not impressed by how buggy and feature bare it was. Then 3.18 happened, which was a nightmare. The whole time those shill channels were still chirping about how big things were just around the corner, but despite Chris and his 'inflection points' CIG is still dramatically underdelivering on their targets and if anything playability is getting downgraded sharply with ever fiddlier cargo elevators, inventory management, and ever present basic hit detection bugs. Anyone who is still trying to assure people that they should just wait as 'big things are coming soon' should be pitied, as they obviously can't recognize a pattern but do try to borrow money from them as they've shown they'll put up with a decade of BS excuses and then accept less than half of what you owe them and be happy.

[@sanctred]

@@RN1441 I feel you... been here following since 2013...

[@555Mark]

I've bought into this at the beginning. Stayed around a hell of a long time. The way you said it, is exactly how I started feeling. Haven't logged or followed it for a few years now. But.. I am here looking at where it's at now aren't I. Haha. We'll see

[@jerryk.1889]

CIG: “Our priority this year will be [anything other than selling ships].” Probability: 0

[@LucidStrike]

They're not yet in a good position for the project to survive without ship sales.

[@willismiller7035]

@@LucidStrike they never will b

[@fredhunt9096]

I have three pledge ships game is currently unplayable cant leave space station or call ships and its jan 2025 so im waiting i payed alot of money for pledges

[@wraith511802003]

So dont buy then clown, but with out ships sales there is zero development. Why is CIG not allowed to pay their teams?

[@wraith511802003]

@@fredhunt9096 WRONG you paid to support the development. An are told before you login an before you complete your purchase it is a development an problems are normal.

[@maverick_4197]

I will believe it, when I see it. Truly all that needs to be said on this topic.

[@KenjaTimu]

I wouldn't believe it if I saw it. It's too improbable.

[@justalex4214]

The thing is: their "new" approach isn't exactly new. The whole reason they originally introduced the eptu and feature preview builds was to make the final patch releases more stable, yet they never properly established that, because in the end their sales events dictated when they released what. So as usual I don't believe a word they said until I can actually play it.

[@Strange-Viking]

oh yeah, live, pu, then added eptu, now preview, next thing they will be adding: pre preview and pre live and yeah/

[@bengunderson712]

Guys. Don't hold the line. Hold your wallets. If CIG actually does good shit this year, we can reward them at IAE. Until then, don't buy a goddamn thing.

[@RN1441]

I'm an original backer from the golden ticket event on the first day and have a citizen number in the low single digit thousands. Still have that colonel card around here somewhere. I originally closed my wallet in 2014 when CIG decided they didn't feel like delivering on the original beta date for SQ42 - sure, I was happy to hear I'd be getting a better game 'soon' if I waited, but I have a policy against rewarding bait and switch behavior as it tends to lead to more bait and switch later. Fast forward more than a DECADE and I wish I hadn't been so darn right to not reward that first move of the goalposts.

[@jinz0]

sold all my ships on the gray market and not spending another penny for a long time

[@thereisnospoon3595]

I bought a starter ship, and was happy at first, and thought I would spend more. But as game has progressed, and so have bugs, I have changed my mind. Its almost unplayable at this stage for me, and I used to enjoy it. No more spending for sure, will take a year for them to fix all these bugs when its not a priority. If we stop playing their masterpiece they will fix it.

[@unicaller1]

If this was the first or second time CIG was shifting focus to playability, maybe I would be more open to believing.

[@RocketSurgn_]

Every _next_ year is the year that will “see some substantial progress toward its actual vision.” It’d be great to see it happen, but I’ll be skeptical until after it has. Especially things like expecting another star system to come in 12-18 months after how long Pyro was coming soon.

[@skengasaurus]

Fulltime SC content creators have to get a day job if you stop playing the game

[@mythicallegendary3992]

@@RocketSurgn_ Last year and the beginning of this year we did see Substantial progress.... welcome to server meshing

[@RN1441]

@@RocketSurgn_ '4.0 and another star system next year' was first lied about in 2016. So they're only ~8 years late if you consider 4.0 released now that it's on some form of PTU.

[@David-ys4ud]

​@mythicallegendary3992 yes they added another extremely buggy system and almost nothing works half the time. So many missions fail because they bug out. Ships will just explode in hanger

[@JosephK42]

"Why this pivot point for CIG is different from previous times." 2018,2019,2020,2021,2022,2023,2024,2025

[@Denizen-X]

It's different this time because not enough people are buying ships built on hopes and dreams anymore. They are losing players, backers, and money.

[@mebrian5728]

@@Denizen-X They made more money than last year....

[@Denizen-X]

@mebrian5728 They literally didn't. Cloud Imperium Games reported a decline in sales revenue in 2024. According to the data from the Roberts Space Industries funding page, the company’s revenue from the first quarter of 2024 was $17.3 million, a 17.2% decrease from the same period in 2023. By April 2024, the year-over-year decline had increased to 24.7%. The total sales revenue for the first four months of 2024 was $22.5 million, marking a 19.1% decline compared to the same period in 2023.

[@mrgoat4233]

@@JosephK42 well something has to change sometime why not near the end things get better

[@RN1441]

@mebrian5728 No? They dropped a percentage point, which is a ~5% drop including inflation. 2023 was up 3% which was down ~2% in real terms including inflation. More troubling is that their last two years they've dropped 22% and 28% new account creation. Trees don't grow to the sky and it looks like most of the people who care to try SC have already done so.

[@Doomman5501]

i am not waiting on content release, I am waiting on bug fixes that is all

[@sanctred]

100% ❤

[@reaprxi]

good news, 4.01 is out with alot of bug fixes

[@dito4lyfe]

Sometimes I’ll play SC for hours and do absolutely nothing but fly around.

[@dito4lyfe]

@@reaprxi haha CIG is good at creating bugs by fixing bugs.

[@SJCOFFIClAL]

@@reaprxi yeah they fixed the multiplayer bounty payout bug

[@madscotsman3390]

LoL, here's what brings me back: fix all the little bugs now - mission bugs specifically. Give us some sort of persistency. Keep money, keep ships, keep reputation. I'm tired of grinding for items I already had. It's been 12 years, call it whatever phase you like.

[@TraditonalUSA]

I started playing this week, been aware of the game for a decade. My first experience, Started the tutorial. i woke up, went down the elevator, proceeded to the train station. Watch the train pop up, no animation moving into the station. Get in, the whole time the thing cannot stay on the rails, glitching all threw the sides. Get off, head to ship terminal, cannot call ship. Think its my fault for some reason, ask chat, they tell me "NBIS elevators are down" My feelings after waiting 12 years to play.

[@k2k4]

But it is pretty good when you don't get that bug. Basically stay away from planet home cities, or ideally go to pyro, and you'll have a mostly different experience from orison or new babbage.

[@sudonix5923]

Can't do the tutorial in pyro

[@jesusmatinez4461]

​@@k2k4 their shouldn't even be bugs after a decade of development, it's not that hard

[@pigpenstrikes9400]

It's 2025 and I still flip a coin on whether or not I can use the elevators to leave hab and go to the hangars. If I had a way to get my money back for ships bought in 2018 when the game was in the exact same state... I'd turn this Connie into 2 bags of groceries

[@LucidStrike]

People say it's CIG's "last chance" every year 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@brianmolele7264]

🤣🤣😂😂 and throw in real money again.

[@briananderson4032]

Yep. Maybe if people really do stop buying these really cool space ships the revenue will take a header and CiG might wake up. I am as guilty as everyone else. The game in design is amazing, the game in functionality and playability as well as funnability ( I made that word up) is actually about no fun. I do love this game, but somewhere along the line the game itself got lost. I am not going to put more new money into the game until it does have gameplay that does work. I know some astute person is going to point out the fact that the game is an Alpha… like no fucking shit. There goes that glaring spotlight put on the obvious. Fix the shit, let’s spend more money, cause the shit works, and explore the verse… come on CIG, please. I’m asking nicely.

[@Dazza_Doo]

Store citizen works perfectly

[@AllergicFungus]

It really is this time. Look around you. You white knights are basically surrounded by angry consumers. Thats not a good look. We out number you. So expect the game to fail if the majority aren't listened to... It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure this out bud. You lose in the end.

[@AllergicFungus]

​@@briananderson4032facts

[@johnzoidberg1160]

Id love for some changes to basic game design they could do now, like beginner missions shouldn't take you across the entire playable space. Entry level missions should be as close to the players initial spawn location as possible. Ideally you should be walking up the first time you load the game in your apartment and your first mission be in that same city. Then you move to the planet. Then the moons of that planet. Then the next nearest planet, and so on. Instead you wake up, take your first mission, and have to take a 6 min quantum jump trip. It's just bad design.

[@russbennett5470]

“A focus on playability “ dude I have completely given up on playing this game since 4.0 came out due to the fact that there are so many bugs every time I logged in it was absolutely unplayable for me. What’s even worse is there were multiple KZbin channels like this one telling me how hard CIG was working to make sure there wouldn’t be bugs.

[@Proton_Decay]

The game REALLY needs an API for checking prices and inventory between systems, to really enable 3rd party sites, like in elite dangerous and eve online. Bug fixes, persistence, and playability. That's all

[@Sarazoul]

Sadly, CIG has made is very clear that they don't want to allow an API for the forseable future. (They don't publicly recognize website like Erkul for a reason.)

[@nebulajumper6216]

I'm done waiting. Eeeevery year they are going to do A en B and also C, but more of D .. and in the end, they repeat every same promisse, over and over. Gameplay features come out one tea spoon at a time while the biggest effort is punt in new ships and visual assest. But once they need to deliver a system that is a bit more difficult to implement, all goes to sproutch and it gets delayed or even "forgotten". So if people want to still give them a 15th chance, I understand. Some really love what the game is now and are happy with the money they gave them and all that is good. But I'm done. Since I went another route, I enjoyed all the new games I discoverd and played the last two years. Maybe once SQ42 is out, I'll give it a go, but I have a weird feeling they are also lying to us over there with the same old prologue beeing polished and ready for a preview, but nowhere ready for a full launch. It's mind bogling to me, that in a 1 hour prologue/tutorial, you spend 15 minutes behind a turret and 10 minutes in a rough FPS shooter with zero real dogfighting. Maybe I'm wrong, but this just convinces me more and more that they are no near to be ready with a stable and functioning flight model and an overal space game like they initially promissed (the successor of Wing Commander and Freelancer). Now we have a whole bunch of small and kneedeep gameplay loops, glued together between 2 very beautifull, but almost empty solar systems. And every year, is THE year for Star Citizen, but this is based on loose promisses and guesses. So yeah .. Now, I'm looking more forward to an audit result of how they managed the game, than to the game itself.

[@TomikCsvk]

For that to happen they would have to revert everything to the state before MM introduction. The game was fun and at peak back then.

[@RN1441]

This isn't like the 2018 focus on playability, 'all of this and more next year' in 2015, the 'inflection point' in 2023, 'staggered development' in 2019, or that year spent on that 'roadmap to a roadmap of only the high confidence stuff' that crashed and burned. This is the time CIG is actually going to deliver on their marketing spin. No seriously, the scary part is that there are people who can look at their track record and actually believe them when they announce something like this.

[@MutsuKazuma]

BY YEARS END the game has been out for fucking 13 years and we focus on it being playable now, what the actual hell

[@chicken10999999]

It's because if they focus on playability before the core system were working they would have to redo work constantly making everything take 10 Times longer then the way they are doing things right now.

[@morbionicle]

​@@chicken10999999 delusional. As if the core systems were anywhere close to working.

[@El1qt]

I dont give a shit if it’s playable right now, I care if it’s playable when they finish the fucking game.

[@morbionicle]

@El1qt so never...?

[@El1qt]

@@morbionicle so be it. Everyone’s switching up just cus 4.0 changed things a little with server meshing and pyro. This does not remove the fact that we have the most basic fucking gameloops, no economy, no progression system, no player interdependence, no org features

[@thomasl9542]

As an OG backer since 2013. I strongly suggest to avoid the pledge store and feeding into CIG’s business model. Marketing is not necessary in this stage of development. They *should* have enough crowd funding to fund the development teams, and less focus on marketing. As stated in the video, game stability, bug fixes, and quality of life improvements is what we severely need. Otherwise players will continue to feel disconnected. I’m keeping my distance until the later quarters of the year to avoid burnout. I recommend playing other games or getting involved in arena commander where performance is more present. Not saying you can’t play the PU, but play at your own risk. Salute to the devs and dedicated bug smashers out there o7.

[@easterworshipper5579]

i low-key expect cig to get distracted by something nobody was asking for and wasting the next year working on that. 'hey, we need a way to utilise the new animals we introduced. lets all work on hunting tier 0 this year!'

[@Toutvids]

People have been asking for more life in game for years... specifically animals on planets and pets.

[@Skuggihestur]

Tbf we are asking for hunting stuff like that lol. My brother wants whaling counter whaling missions and would play out his seashepard dreams

[@Nine-Signs]

I can see it now... "We are proud to release our barely working sh*t shower and shave module, where now you will be physically penalised if you dont to the usual boring sh*t in game that you do in real life and play games to escape from because realism" - CIG.

[@hanswurst9866]

Your long videos are much better than any short form content.

[@SolarWindsRider]

Bought the game in 2021, and every year since then people are talking that it's CIG's only opportunity. That if they mess up, it's done. Then they mess up, and people say the same about next year. At the end of 2025 we'll be talking that 2026 is CIG's only year to make things right.

[@SheWhoVibes]

If I don't constantly have to worry about my ships falling through the floor, or getting stuck in terrain, if i don't have to hold up a second before getting into an elevator when the doors open, if every time i press a button the thing it's supposed to do happens & the game feels less like a series of disconnected toys for me to play with and an actual GAME and importantly a game that has WORKS more often than it doesn't, then I might play for more than a few days at a time every 6 months. In short I've been waiting for Star Citizen to be a game not a testing ground for game elements, and heres to hoping 2025 is the year that happens.

[@TheStumafoo]

I’m sorry Chris was sooo focused on … if someone picks up a cruz lux in the woods and lost the plot..nobody wanted med gowns and water bottles all over space stations

[@Miner-dyne]

Speak for yourself! I fuel my ship with med gowns :D

[@keysersozeh3576]

Once I can log out and continue on where I left off, without the need for a sometimes working bed log, then I will be back to start grinding again. I have visited my hanger and looked at my collection of ships a half dozen times over 2024. That is about it, bring on stability and let's make this an actual game.

[@vzfhv3c516]

Cargo is so tedious now, last thing I want to do is take 20+ minutes having to load the ship. I preferred it before all the changes.

[@floppalore]

there is supposed to be an auto loading mode but i'm not sure when or where that is supposed to be, just for an extra cost

[@sinepilot]

If you don't mind me asking, what ship are you trying to load?

[@stuartburns8657]

A 'game' without play

[@anno-fw7xn]

so you dont want debt in cargo gameplay? i mean this is a big part of transport gameplay.

[@stuartburns8657]

@@anno-fw7xn How many truckers load their own trailer?

[@donaldengel4128]

"Players shouldn't have to pray for a "bug" to come back (every patch for years) so they can use items they paid for..." -Hawkes Gaming ^^^ The most important thing CIG can do to keep players (at least me) FIX THIS F"N ISSUE!!! I'm sick of not being able to use shit I paid USD's for because I can lose it forever to a bug at any moment.

[@Tigbitty14]

They have a lot of work to do, when you can only play on the weekend... which means waiting 10 minutes in server queue, only to then not even get loaded into the server, so you have to exit the game, restart, sit in another 10 minute queue, and again cross your fingers that you actually get put into a server. 30 minutes just to get into the game, then you spend another 20 minutes prepping for your session - after an hour into your game session you can start your contracts or gameplay, try to leave your hanger and boom, you can't leave or the server is exploding every 10 minutes.... restart the loop.. before you know it your gaming time is gone, and you got to do nothing in the game. maybe next weekend. No features or loops matter when the stability is so bad you can barely play it.

[@djJaXx101]

50/50 between creating a decent game and going completely bust within 5 years.

[@El1qt]

Everyone’s switching up demanding for stability just because 4.0 changed things a little bit with server meshing and pyro. At the end of the day, we still have no economy, no progression system, no player interdependence, no org features and the most fucking basic gameplay loops. I’m not shitting on SC, I’ve been enjoying 4.0 quite a lot myself, but that doesnt mean the priorities change. Don’t forget what you backed for, cus this is no where near that

[@themanyouwanttobe]

Player beacons, especially if they have gameplay hand wavium to prevent duplicates of a location, will be the biggest mechanic to facilitate connecting gameplay loops. Exploration is certainly one, but also combat players can drop a beacon off after a ship battle and sell the location to salvagers for a better deal than salvage missions.

[@OfficialReezFX]

At this point i‘m saying fuck signs, i want nothing less than facts. Anything less than facts isn‘t worth talking about.

[@andrewboyer7544]

4.0 was something I've dreamed of as an original backer. I was playing right up to the release of 4.0 and after 15 hours of trying to get 4.0 to work I finally gave up. It's almost as bad as 3.18 for me. Nothing works, I can't even get out of my hanger 90% of the time and when I do I fall through a planet or my ship just vanishes/explodes. Everyone kept telling me how smooth the game was and I was smoothly unable to do anything meaningful in the game. I usually defend SC in most places but this patch is a nightmare for a lot of people.

[@MrSlvr2000]

What kills their credibility is when they release a 4.0.1 patch, mark bugs as fixed and you encounter them within the first few minutes of logging in.

[@johnmc6155]

5:10. "Features not delivered from the same playbook & a culture of testing, not playing." - Sums it up, thanks Space Tomato.

[@null2470]

They still need a realistic flight model that doesn't simultaneously create balancing headaches for all the jpeg promises they've sold. I'm convinced CIG is incapable of resolving the issue at this point, and instead of a space flight sim we're getting a high def MMO I literally never wanted. I don't care about ground missions and cargo, I don't care about crafting, I don't care about plushies and plants. That said, if the flight element of the game which all other elements revolve around were actually fulfilling instead of a DPS race to the bottom of a magazine or capacitor, I would greatly enjoy all those other aspects as well.

[@michaelhubbard5013]

o7 I'm someone who doesn't consider myself a Flight Sim enthusiast...but I play space games for space ships as a rule of thumb.

[@WigganNuG]

@@michaelhubbard5013 This NOT just space game. Did you not see all the planets and cities and ground vehicles / base building/ ect ect.... Y'all are so narrow minded small thinking troglodytes

[@InfernosPhantoms]

A bug wiped my entire inventory early into the 4.0 release. Without a reset I've lost all of my account bound gear and that's just completely demotivated me. I'm hoping they'll just draw a line under it with the next update and do a fresh reset with those bugs removed.

[@MrPersonatus]

I don't care about the maintenance system; gathering a crew to gun the ship is hard enough!

[@Zantsui]

Man if bounty hunting meant hunting down information and clues like ship logs, tracking people down to likely locations, and differences between if the target knows they have a tail or not, that would be so sick

[@sudonix5923]

That's what I want. CIG doesn't have the initiative, creativity, drive, or prowess to deliver that kind of gameplay

[@Qwarzz]

The survey CIG sent a few days ago seemed to be timed to now when there are many things in game but they are still quite limited and broken. I expect they'll have the same survey in a year or two to see how answers change.

[@tropicthndr]

This thing has to be spot on all the time, not even partially buggy to make it worth wasting your time to come in, it’s not even close as “major developers” are still leaving the company and not returning.

[@Haegemon]

Definitely they aren't leaving because they are angry with the game. Pay them a lot of money and they will stay.

[@CrispyMuffin2]

for me to focus more on this game, they really need to start making the game more stable, less laggy and more consistent while i do really love this game, the state its in makes it really hard to enjoy long sessions for more than a few days before getting burnt out

[@maxx_thor]

SC should be an MMO on where we all play together against 90% machine NPCs, and not against each other unless on specialised zones/sector where is allowed.

[@Toutvids]

I'm already back. Only issues I've had are that my quantum jumps have to be done twice sometimes and apparently bed logging doesn't work anymore in my ships. Other than that the game runs smooth, haven't had a server error for days because I don't go where everyone else goes in Pyro. I like to go off in some random direction to mine or explore. Went to a settlement on Bloom with nothing on me, left with several weapons, ammo, medpens and a multi tool. Got shot at in the process for the first time ever but escaped with half health.

[@peterchild2010]

I'm not sure how many would remember when Rainbow Six Seige released years ago. It was a broken mess but Ubisoft pushed ahead with season related dlc as they do. Anyway, it came to a head and they did a 3 month period of just 'fixing the game'. If they hadn't, I'm almost certain the game wouldn't still be played now almost 10 years later.

[@clarky.]

These talks are great to listen to while gaming. I really love the way you calmly go over things and you have a calming voice too. Thanks for all the videos and information and its always presented well😊

[@Cornerboy73]

Well, they have their work cut out for them. 2024 was such a letdown in a lot of ways - coming from the previous Citcon and all the 'Feature Complete" positive messaging for S42 to CR moving back to the UK to personally oversee and get it across the finish line to a year with not a whole lot delivered (granted what we did get on the technical side was significant), a delay to S42 ... it was just such a buzzkill year and this was reflected in the funding which dropped for the firs time in years. It's year 13 for me and I'm in deep with this game - but I can't be bothered to play it. Not just because of bugs and performance but also because I don't like what it's turning into - basically a play on EVE-level murder and extreme tedium. I still wish the best for the title though - I want it to succeed but I am not confident in CI. They used that up my goodwill a long time ago. If they deliver and finally turn this ship around, fine, I'll get back onboard. But you'll forgive me on having doubts.

[@WigganNuG]

Weird time to jump ship bro. I HELD THE LINE!! Lmao.. seriously though take a bigger picture view and try to see how HUGE server meshing and the jump to 500 players, with MUCH better performance and stability. The big 3 in MMO development; Performance/ Stability/ Scalability. Are they getting significantly better? You have to YES. And now with CIG focusing on crafting brings ALL the other gameplay loops to even MAKE SENSE. Why are mining? for Crafting materials for ships and guns ect ect.. why are you runnin Cargo in the future; Not for the simple missions we do now, but for our Orgs where we see direct and indirect benefits from your Hauling much needed food and materials to and from your orgs facilities across the Verse. Why do we explore? To find new minerals, new planets, new wormholes and if CIG is smart, with a HUGE universe they are building, EASTER EGGS that lead to big in game changes to technology ect. Once they get the base game elements in place and its relatively stable and CIG has tools in place to give players their lost profits, items and ships due to bugs there is a lot to look forward to. This engine and the game they are building is LIGHT YEARS ahead of where it was even in 2018. I don't know why people don't see it. Trust me, I've yelled at this game and LOST so much shit its not even funny, but I try to take proper context view of what CR and CIG are doing here. I'm not a stupid optimist, just I think most people these days in UNBELIEVABLY and TOXICALLY CYNICAL. I'm a realist. If you don't see how much this game has changed since its inception, you are just focusing on the negative and not taking the big picture into play. I think a lot of the loud cynics in the comments are people who spent money they didn't have on a ton of ships, instead of just being smart and pledging $45 to get all 3 games and access to the PU. Thats a fuckin STEAL. I melted my first starter to get a Cutty and thats all I need to put in this game. So I spent $100 total, and I've already gotten my moneys worth lol.

[@brianmolele7264]

Glazers will try to sell you a lie because they invest tons of cash and they want this thing to work by any means necessary, even if it means few having a good time and the rest have an unplayable piece of trash.

[@Nine-Signs]

@@WigganNuG and what of the masses of players who dont play with groups and could not give a rats ass about an org...

[@ottonormal3354]

They get me back when i get my ORION with a side cockpit and my BMM....

[@kennyknapp5531]

Medical game play will never take off. When people like to attack medical ships that show up to help people, not knowing it was a trap. You can't trust anyone, don't help anyone that is not your friends.

[@skitch8616]

This is the biggest joke I've seen on the internet thus far, cig has so much spaghetti code that they're going to have to redo the entire game in order to fix the majority of the garbage gameplay and bugs and y'all are going to be waiting for another 12 years

[@Freyar]

CIG needs to deliver on the ships I've paid for and been waiting for over six years to fly. CIG needs to make sure that the hour of prep I have to do to get anything done isn't waste because of the obscene levels of physicality, only to get killed by a bug. (Cargo loading, cargo clips through ship, kills one and destroyed ship.)

[@I86282]

1:15. Then they need to fix the flight model. The controller. And the Aurora.

[@Ultrajamz]

Make it more likely for me to encounter other players in a meaningful way

[@BunkerSquirrel]

Thank you for having me at your tomato talk

[@dspartridge84]

This is the video I needed to hear, I think de-siloing of teams will make a huge difference.

[@JB-gb7uu]

I don't know how you content creators keep this up man. Not after 12 yrs. We still have weapon/medpen bug in the middle of firefights. And I've been playing for 5 yrs now.

[@gulfcoastdfg]

Great information and an organized presentation. Thanks ST!

[@FDF-i6z]

Man, I'm sure I heard you saying the same things at the beginning of 2024. Which makes me think that nothing will be different this year!

[@TheSonorousG]

Thanks Space Tomato, this was extremely informative! I don't always get in on every big update and it's really great having the speculation so many citizens spew mitigated by information.

[@chaadlosan]

Best Editing In Star Citizen content. Epic and awesome as always.

[@joshuahollis5105]

WE DON'T BUY SHIPS UNTIL THE GAME IS FIXED.

[@photon8935]

I really hope the reliability and quality improve this year to make it easier to have more fun and see a drive to a 1.0 release.

[@lukefarmer4239]

I hope to see Nyx added by the end of this year. This along with finally a commitment to finish the game, into a constantly stable experience, has got me more excited now more than ever.

[@richardhewitt7097]

What we need is someone to hold them to account a bit more. Some challenging interviews with Chris and the developers would be a start.

[@illuminape7632]

mining could be so much more than it is. missions, sending players to specific belts, planets, moons, etc, and even specific areas on those maps to get specific ores, minerals, metals, to return to xyz player or building, would easily get players to become familiar with what ores/minerals/metals are where, and make mining way more than, *seek out whatever you want, go sell it*.

[@Haegemon]

I'll believe it when I see it, as it is said. With 12 years of development, hearing all this feels like the Deja Vu of every year.

[@JamieKoorneef]

This was an excellently delivered opinion piece and outlook on the state of the game. If they clear up the game breaking bugs and flesh out the mission selection again I'd be here to stay.

[@Spike.SpiegeI]

Great summary of where we're at and what we need to see in 2025!

[@mdiego3847]

For me, I play all the time, but it is a real drag right now. I die nearly once every two hours because of collision physics. I like to loot gobble, and if I don't take care of my load, or even if I do take care of my load, I still will randomly explode. And if I have a vehicle inside my ship, which I usually do because, well, you know, maybe I need to land far away and get close to something on foot, then things really get interesting in a bad way.

[@SoulessTwo]

"From testing, to playing". Well said my friend!

[@theknifesong]

They're still going to do the scummy move of nerfing and power creeping the ships we already bought in order to squeeze more money out of us. I am disgusted by CIG as a long term-backer.

[@trangledangle]

They should all be ashamed of themselves. They habitually fleece the people who had the most faith in them.

[@SenTeoRecord]

12 years of alpha and still 80% of system or tech just not working, playing for 1 year without break... Not a single day without bugs or things not working. Sad, and ships are so expensive... 770mil $ imagen game devs with 10 ppl still makes (better/working) games idk... Still not enjoyable.

[@user-lp7qo9cl8w]

i havent even turned "4.0" on because it was supposed to be when all these systems worked. Not when they ran out of goodwill and needed a product or else face collapse.

[@battleangel5595]

Been playing since the Hangar Module. Seen engine changes. Things work, things break, and CIG is making ripples in the MMO world. Server meshing is new and as players we need to give our feedback to the developers. The biggest reasons to break out the bubbly have been the creation and implementation of server meshing and jump points. I think we've hit a milestone. New system, jump points, and server meshing. Replication layers also are great starting point. Things are on track to improve. Though not as fast as some folks of you out there would like. Star Citizen is in Alpha. Not Beta. There will be growing pains. So unbolt those training wheels and ride on two wheels.

[@waffleswafflson3076]

I started playing two days ago. I had to restart the tutorial 4 times to get through it and every single solitary thing I've done has been extremely bugged including almost getting permanently trapped in one zone

[@ShaozenSC]

I disagree with the finality of the tone for the wrap up great video with solid content and information as always!

[@anno-fw7xn]

Happy new year! today i upcrade my CPU and i had 60 fps and a lot omre frames in gernal and its a lot more fun! but know i notice i realy miss the old flight model.... Keep it up tomato have a great new year and even better time!

[@betoarsuffi]

as for MYSELF i say: I dont believe it. I will be there if they ever manage to deliver (I might aswell be, since we’ve pledged the darn thing) but i’m all outta hope.

[@Guardianapophis]

I feel since Richard Tyrer has taken the lead things are starting to go in the right direction. And playability is so badly needed. I played 6 hours the other day and spend 4 hours just getting caught up in game breaking bugs. But yesterday i played 4.0.1 on PTU and i was wondering if i play Star Citizen! Apart from a few missions not updating i could just play for 5 hours. It was a very good experience, this kind of improvements in such a short time makes me have a good feeling for 2025.

[@acme4791]

I really, really hope you're right and next year we see real advance in game content. But still I won't keep My expectations too high...

[@MichaelJLintz]

Been trying to recruit my brood into playing Star Citizen as they are enthusiastic gamers themselves, but it is difficult to sell them on the game due to the many bugs that are plagued throughout. I myself have always viewed such bugs not as showstoppers which only discourage me from further play, but as obstacles to be overcome. Knowing that a server crash, the dreaded 30k, is always looming during multi-million spacebuck cargo hauling runs just adds an element of spice that wouldn't normally be associated with cargo hauling. It's a lot like gambling! Been a citizen since build 2.4 and am looking forward to the many builds to come. 07

[@MrPersonatus]

They must focus on essential things like bug fixing, Multithreaded processing, and Graphics performance improvements. They must also reduce the number of NPCs in the stations.

[@DamonCzanik]

It might irritate some but stability only being focused after 4.0 *always* made the most logical sense. I have been saying this for 6+ years. It comes down foundational tech. You build off your foundation. Server meshing was always what we needed to get the game to where they wanted it to be. Granted, server meshing isn't done. We still have dynamic server meshing but that purpose is only for scaling up. Supporting 10,000 players rather than 600 or a thousand players. The enjoyment and performance of the game, needed server meshing. We have that, now the focus is on stability and making the experience feel good. But this will take time. 4.0 preview has only been out for 3 weeks. People may not see it now. But this was the first step NEEDED for stability. It addressed fundamental server issues that has been plaguing the game since 2.0. And like that awful 3.18, the bugs will eventually get fixed. 117 bug fixes in 4.0.1. So while there may be a lot of anger like there was with 3.0, it was needed. I've experienced hours and hours of continous gameplay with 4.0 with no bugs. That's never happened before. So, despite the issues, it has me excited for the future.

[@Aerodune]

Yeah for real kind of a shane seeing everyone else all out of hope, been playing 4.0.1 and wow first time I've truly enjoyed the game.

[@CeesaX]

I will continue to happily wait on this game and get in my usual 5-10 hrs of gameplay per year in the meantime.

[@andrewlowery1414]

They need to fix anything related to elevators, hangars, and refueling/repairs/restock. These are essential to doing anything.

[@rudged]

I hope that when crafting comes in the economy will be more player driven.

[@sumofl]

every year we go "this year, for sure: they've learned and will deliver" lol

[@simonbengtsson5841]

Best videos of the verse

[@arranwilliams2523]

I just got into this game and man it's amazing but yea I can see getting annoyed by bugs really fast because it feels like you get at least one per hour

[@sudonix5923]

You can't play a single game loop where there isn't a big that interrupts you.

[@boog3005]

Fix the gameplay, fix the ramps on the Hercules, start using all that new money that came in from sales on the Pioneer, Polaris, Paladin and the Atlas to actually fix the gameplay; ie, Falling through planets, being unable to use jump points and having to cycle power, Starmap routing not working, not being able to use the Starmap at all, having the incapacitated warning sound play over and over after being reanimated, fixing not being able to refuel/rearm in hangars, being stuck inside of hangars, hangars not functioning as intended, handheld items being lost after transferring them to armor/backpacks/containers, not being able to transfer or interact with items at all, ammo not repooling, double reload animations, fps weapons not reloading entirely, being stuck inside elevators, elevators not working, double elevator doors, falling through elevators into the planet/station, cargo/items disappearing on hangar lifts, vehicles inside of hangars jitter and bounce around uncontrollably, ships spawning on hangars upside down, ships double spawning in hangars, ships being destroyed in hangars because of the store/retrieve functions not working properly, being unable to store certain ships or ground vehicles in hangars, missions not spawning, missions failing bc you were incapacitated for whatever reason, missions not working because of XYZ not working as intended, just to name a few. If they would fix the current features they have in game already instead of pushing for MORE features to push for the next ship sale, then I'll come back.

[@Zolier]

Heard that Star Citizen 2.0 will come with working elevators! Hard to believe it, still I'm so excited about the future!

[@Numl0k]

This May marks TEN YEARS since I originally pledged. I've held out a lot of hope, and I've cared about this game a lot. I've tested, I've reported bugs, I've convinced friends to pledge. But I'm at the point where I just don't care. If it gets to an actual release product, cool. If not, oh well. I hate that it's come to this. But I just don't bother even tracking development anymore. It'll take a lot to dedicate space on my hard drive again. I'll probably dive in if they ever release SQ42. But we'll see.

[@henrikhedberg3800]

I seriously doubt that CIG will move away from their "storefront game" focus with new releases for players to buy, to a "working game" focus. Unless they've been seeing drastically diminishing player numbers and lowered sales numbers due to that, they'll continue to be 85% focused on storefront. Or so I fear. I would LOVE for this game to become a stable space sim with PvP enabled in many areas etc. Trading, mining, crafting/production, cargo hauling - imagine seeing a game as gorgeous as SC with actual playability? Looking at you 2027, big expectations for ya!

[@PacMan41000]

I feel like there is more than enough in star citizen right now for it to be considered "Done" as long as the game worked. And releasing 4.0 in the state its in right now had to have been a huge hit to the player count