Rumor has it Tony Z has integrated his own consciousness into the Quantum simulation and his corporeal form has been subsumed by AWS.
@starbuck57284 ай бұрын
Joe Rogan: It's entirely possible 🤔
@MWTGoldenGun4 ай бұрын
I like it. I haven't seen a better explanation for the lack of his corporeal presence.
@realmarsastro4 ай бұрын
There was a post on the RSI forums about this by Tony Z. He basically said Quantum is more or less done, but there's nothing to publish because it hinges on server meshing and replication layer stuff being done. So Quantum is essentially just waiting for server tech to progress.
@SpaceTomato4 ай бұрын
This is since the post in October? Do you have a link??
@CobusGreyling4 ай бұрын
Having followed SC for 11 years I can tell you that when the SM Jesus Tech comes out they'll quickly discover another excuse for 'dependents' like Quantum, and there'll be clues everywhere that they're only really starting on it. Like when they said server meshing should be out around 2021 and then last year we saw a bunch of devs get together talking about server meshing for the first time, a 'Part One' of a series we never got a part two to... Star Citizen may not be a scam, but CIG's piss poor communication gives the refundians all the ammo they need to call it one.
@CynicalMournings4 ай бұрын
@@CobusGreylingPfffffffft
@fffx24 ай бұрын
@@SpaceTomatoThe post is from like 3 years ago
@ratedxvn4 ай бұрын
@@SpaceTomato "trust me bro." 😎
@dontknowler4 ай бұрын
Came to the conclusion SC is not a space sim - it is a game dev sim. This explains everything 😂
@RainOfFodderco4 ай бұрын
That's honestly what the project was in large part when it started. Then they started hiding what they were doing.
@BradAhrens4 ай бұрын
Tony, if you see this comment, blink twice.
@ufeelinselfrighteous84704 ай бұрын
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@4hire5654 ай бұрын
@@ufeelinselfrighteous8470oh hell!!
@rolinthor4 ай бұрын
They haven’t even started working on a crafting tree as far as I can tell. The price increases are mostly to prod people to pledge for a larger ship, thus skipping the occasional post-wipe grinds (and new patch bugs that delete in-game bought ships from time to time).
@R1PPA-C4 ай бұрын
I honestly keep forgetting about dynamic economy... And because I keep forgetting about the most important missing feature...I always hold a little discomfort in thinking that SC no matter how many fixes, ships, mechanics and systems will only ever amount to being a huge loopy MMO with beautiful clouds and the same copy paste hangars no matter how many GM we've traversed. Dynamic economy is and will be the most important driving force behind the whole SC environment for almost every backer and player. It will probably even change how dogfighters go about their day in SC depending on economic shifts.
@rixxy92044 ай бұрын
Tony Z _is_ the server.
@ChrisJ93264 ай бұрын
Rumor has it that we will play SC after we reincarnate.
@malismo4 ай бұрын
Quantum economy's biggest promise is a dynamically adjusting AI driven economy which balances out the extreme player manipulation of it and subsequent tanking of it. Yes, players wil be influencing the economy as well, but not to the extend as in full player driven economies. Also it will feed into the mission system generating missions to balance the economy. At least that is how I have always understood the CIG talks on the topic.
@GuttedWrenStudios4 ай бұрын
Tony Z was actually the friends we made along the way.
@Jornelaz4 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video reminder of this HUGE feature that we know so little about its future. We always need the reality check that CIG is still the same old CIG haha
@SpaceTomato4 ай бұрын
Meh, definitely not the same COG. The old COG would have continued talking this feature up even if it wasn't doing anything. I appreciate that we haven't been overloaded with more info about it, but I think we're do a good update now.
@Jornelaz4 ай бұрын
@@SpaceTomato agreed, I want to hear more about this. It's unfortunate we have been kept in the dark about this for so long
@Cornerboy734 ай бұрын
After all this time, my expectation is that Tony has this more or less ready to roll out once the technical/server work is in place and functioning properly. If it's all still equations on a chalk/whiteboard, we're in trouble.
@rolinthor4 ай бұрын
Narrator: “They were, in fact, in trouble.”
@makimera4 ай бұрын
At this point i wonder if Tony is even still with CIG, we havent heard or seen him for a long time.
@Trillineatus4 ай бұрын
I wonder exactly the same thing.
@gian.43884 ай бұрын
rumors say he's been sidelined cause his project was taking too much time, was getting outdated and it was difficult to implement, so they placed another team with a better design in charge of the dynamic economy
@Trillineatus4 ай бұрын
@@gian.4388 no no no no Never take a man's child
@Agent-yc2ii4 ай бұрын
He gone
@heru_ur60174 ай бұрын
Whenever somebody leaves they stop mentioning them. When was the last time you heard his name come out of a CIG devs mouth ?
@RakasansLegacy4 ай бұрын
Where in the world is Wal...Tony.
@vulcan4d4 ай бұрын
No one talks about it because no one can comprehend what Tony Z was working on. We may need to wait until AI and quantum computing decipher it.
@snowgentleman19374 ай бұрын
I do not play many missions. The main reason is that the time and reward are not appealing enough. Furthermore, the missions are sometimes bugged and cannot be completed. That’s a waste of time. That is why I mostly do cargo runs. They’re not exciting because you do nothing but watch KZbin during quantum jumps until you reach your destination. However, it also pays better and is less frustrating.
@ohnegative95264 ай бұрын
I agree with you they don't pay enough for the risk involved. Though you play them for fun not the payment. You should give them a try most are interesting, some are wastes or bugged but less and less so. Cargos gotta get boring and just stacking cash seems pointless
@heru_ur60174 ай бұрын
Is he even still at CIG ? There has been a lot of talk that he left along with a lot of the others.
@DamonCzanik4 ай бұрын
Tony is a genius. But what Tony struggles with is releasing something live. I don't think we have yet to see a single one of his grand visions get fully realized. I believe his stuff has been put on the back burner (again) until Star Citizen's 1.0's release and base building. His stuff needs distribution centers, factories, and base building. I also think they don't want to release it until dynamic server meshing.
@Atljeepboy4 ай бұрын
Tony Z = Wizard of Oz, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
@CaptainSnackbeard4 ай бұрын
CIG stops talking about people after they leave. I haven't heard any of them say this man's name in 2 years. I don't think he works there no more.
@tieshianna88334 ай бұрын
LinkedIn says he does
@CaptainSnackbeard4 ай бұрын
@@tieshianna8833 he owns part of the company whether he works there or not, It wouldn't look good to advertize his departure. I'm not saying he left, just that he stopped being mentioned in the way that other former employees have been in the past. Now we have some different person talking about Quanta. Just a guess. 🤷♂️
@daganael4 ай бұрын
an I thought you might had some news about TonyZ. For all we know he might not even still be on the project...
@SpaceTomato4 ай бұрын
No news! Just what's been shared publicly!
@CleanYEAH4 ай бұрын
Like a lot of early ideas in star citizen the quantum economy stuff was a lot of big talk and blue sky ideas. I have a feeling what we end up seeing in game one day with the economy will be much more basic than what was originally sold way back when
@rhetor4mentor134 ай бұрын
Man Rich Tyer shot hard with his "oh one more thing, I HATE the name Quantum and want to change it". Couldn't be a clearer sign that TZ was put on the sidelines.
@SpaceTomato4 ай бұрын
Have not seen that yet!
@rhetor4mentor134 ай бұрын
@@SpaceTomatoit was during last week's SCL
@icedanilzation4 ай бұрын
Quantum refers to the system itself (simulation). Quanta refers to the individual focal points happening within the simulation. Nice summary, I get scared when I don't hear from TZ for a while, here's hoping he drops the mic this citcon.
@qlu72734 ай бұрын
Keep making movies like this and I'll keep watching, this was good.
@Joehockey19904 ай бұрын
I always wondered if it was even possible to have in game without Dynamic Server Meshing. How many economic simulations would have to run in the current state of server meshing? Plus part of me wonders if CIG is only just now deciding what the economy should be. If they're so unsure of what they want out of the PU in terms of ship prices, career loops that are unfinished or not even started, that things are changing practically every update, how could they even use the dynamic economy. Even if it was ready, how can it work within limitation if there are no decided limitations? I feel like we learned about the Quantum Simulations 5 years too early. Too little was finished in the game. Too little was known of how the "finished' product could look.
@DayLateGamerWill4 ай бұрын
Last I knew it was called "Quanta" not quantum
@jaceshad4 ай бұрын
That Tony picture drew me in :D
@timeflex4 ай бұрын
The replication and the load balancing combined represent such a core level of the service that it is virtually impossible to design anything big (and reliable) in terms of the server logic before its full operational readiness.
@shippingerror4 ай бұрын
hes in my hanger having a joint waiting for server meshing
@cb_the_kirb4 ай бұрын
It’s been mentioned a few times recently, so clearly CIG haven’t forgotten about it but they also aren’t giving much information other than “VERY SOON:tm:” and that it might be renamed to something less confusing. … so maaaaybe?
@flaiqe13164 ай бұрын
As a returning player who is still very rusty, I am quite disappointed that the prices of ships are changing but the missions aren’t paying more. It’s going to make most ships inaccessible for new players. Missions just don’t pay enough for ships in the first place, the only reason people can buy ships this patch is because of salvage
@rolinthor4 ай бұрын
Better pledge for a better ship. Pay to skip grind! They’re taking a page out of the Elite Dangerous book.
@MrDometheo794 ай бұрын
One day....one day, in the credits, there will be a VERY long list of ALL the staff, backers and VIP players that contributed to the SIM, but, passed away......... The list will be massive...
@philorkill4 ай бұрын
We live in a simulation where Tony Z simulates he's working on the Quanta simulation.
@Blackkatana4 ай бұрын
Bault is the CTO at CIG. A little more than just a person on the economy team.
@Manshima4 ай бұрын
You're the best source of everything SC. I'm a newer player and get a lot out of your videos on both channels - Thank you very much
@fluffyfussy4 ай бұрын
I suspect they are trying to build the economic system according to their own rules. Many people have tried this in the history of the economy, but all have failed. Let the market decide. The players are the market. Give them total control.
@XxXDOMINIONXxX4 ай бұрын
cough eve online cough.
@fluffyfussy4 ай бұрын
@@XxXDOMINIONXxX exactly
@Kurisu20194 ай бұрын
From the early days (2014-2015) when they built a tabletop game to show how to make the economy dynamic till now, you have a very smart and dedicated guy who has worked entirely on this: 10 years of working on this single aspect. What was shown in 2019 was amazing. The silence is what bothers me: too often, things are dropped after a long period of silence. Quantum was just too much of a leap forward in MMO's to be shelved. I hope it is far along, although my gut tells me things arent so good.
@zantrag4 ай бұрын
Either Tony Z. has Quantum all ready to go, when Server meshing drops, or Tony Z. will disappear, just prior, and the entire process will have to be "re-created" as Tony took the "knowledge" with him; and the next new "tech" will be the hold-up.
@scottward85944 ай бұрын
We are the economy, the question should be "When do we get PvP trading network?"
@Majelvey4 ай бұрын
Thanks for your hard work putting this video together. Just finding you on KZbin. Will be following closely in the future.
@Jangmo_SC4 ай бұрын
CR has known Tony for a long time, and has given him the reigns to create his own masterpiece. This could be great! It could also go nowhere after years of CR letting him work on it with the office door closed.
@NyaandereGaming4 ай бұрын
Awesome video, your production quality and thoroughness are impressive
@SpaceTomato4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@jingels274 ай бұрын
Not sure if you caught it in the SCL, but they did mention "Quantum Simulation" but only called it "Quantum." Richie did say that he hated the name and wants it changed. I'll see if I can find the timestamp. ( it was around 14:20 of the SCL)
@bshagopian4 ай бұрын
I vote for renaming it to Qualia. qua·li·a nounPHILOSOPHY the internal and subjective component of sense perceptions, arising from stimulation of the senses by phenomena.
@adnaneelbadri66134 ай бұрын
Another banger of a video! Didn't even know that quantum simulation was a thing and now I'm exited because it will make the universe feel so alive.
@NoNo-f4h4 ай бұрын
Why is CIG balancing static ship values for a dynamic economy where everything is supposed to be constructed and priced based upon gathered resources and their availability?
@Dracounguis4 ай бұрын
I vote for calling it Quanta, 'quantum' already has a meaning and pop culture has overused it already.
@TennysonEStead4 ай бұрын
This is a super concise and super detailed breakdown. Really nice work, gang!
@alexpetrov88714 ай бұрын
LMAO what "economy overhaul" are you talking about - there is ONE system in the game. Gosh, I just started playing ED year ago, and I had to visit like 50 star systems while hauling goods, because of economy fluctuations. WTF SC "economy overhaul" can show in this area - jumping from Clio to Pyro I ?
@LuiseSky4 ай бұрын
Dude, right now entire human economy is located within one Earth, and that’s okay. And thats huge. With good game design it could be good enough within Pyro-Stanton. There is nothing interesting when all the emphasis in the cargo hauling profession is on the flight from point A to point B
@Z3RO43514 ай бұрын
Great update on the current state of the economy and what the near future may hold. Within that is what truly is the elephant in the room. Where is Tony Z? He is a brilliant mind that not only laid the blueprint for what would be a compelling game economy, but also showed us the beginnings of this endeavor. The hope is that the pause in the economy due to the need of core tech such as server meshing is truly warranted and that Tony Z is still there working in the background on other aspect of SC and/or iterating the simulation.
@SpaceTomato4 ай бұрын
I hope we know sooner than later, and I hope 4.0 can include a major update with Quantum.
@Z3RO43514 ай бұрын
@@SpaceTomato I hope so too. Despite us not being IN the economy, as oversimplified as this may sound, its clear all of it is there and it just needs to be slotted into the game. Hopefully yes, 4.0 would bring at least a base layer of what ahs been done so far, if not all of it.
@BalokLives4 ай бұрын
Quantum is the economy simulation as a whole. Quanta are the individual bits of AI that move around to update the simulation. At least, that's the way it was originally described.
@ChrisRollason4 ай бұрын
Quantum was mention in SCL on Friday briefly. Mostly moaning about the name of it!
@Pharesm4 ай бұрын
Good ole Tony! Always time for the Gym and the Solarium. But the one job he has, it just doesn't come together! When you're buddies with Chris, work isn't a priority . . . I get it
@hallker4 ай бұрын
Haven't watched the video yet. But what scares me is that it appears like data running has to be implemented first which on its own seems like a enormous task. At least from what CIG told us about it... as it probably will significantly change how economy works.
@Minimum.maximum.effort4 ай бұрын
If I'm remembering correctly cig said there were some things that were going to be surprises so I can only hope this is one
@burningphoneix4 ай бұрын
It's called Quanta btw
@richardjaimepr4 ай бұрын
I just think they where in love with saying the word Quanta and Quantum. They got bored and moved on.
@heru_ur60174 ай бұрын
Diagetic is the new buzz word.
@merclord4 ай бұрын
I think CR locked Tony in the basement of the UK office and said "I'm not letting you out until we're ready to release Quantum because you talk too much"
@uighkgui4 ай бұрын
That's what i am waiting for the whole time, I haven't played star citizen since 2.4 or something, because without a functioning economy a game like that is not fun
@Eagle6Airsoft4 ай бұрын
As others have said cig have a tendency to ignore things they are no longer working on / not with the company any more. It’s not happening.
@SpaceDad424 ай бұрын
Like most original devs, TZ left the company.
@SpaceMike34 ай бұрын
How do you know?
@zeektm17624 ай бұрын
Source?
@SpaceMike34 ай бұрын
@@zeektm1762 I checked LinkedIn. He's still there
@schmittmeister54604 ай бұрын
@@SpaceMike3 it was stated? he moved due to family reasons back to the UK.
@SpaceMike34 ай бұрын
@@schmittmeister5460 are we talking about the same guy? TZ is from Austin Texas. CR and family moved to the UK
@army12bc44 ай бұрын
Quanta died and Tony Z is never around to say antyhing. There is a team now dedicated to it
@Crazy-Chicken-Media4 ай бұрын
I'm hoping They have an economist on staff, Because there's a huge difference between a states economy and a country's economy. there are many economies within the macroeconomic system, from the raw materials all the way to the consumer, And that doesn't even dabble into the complexities of shipping and handling. until server meshing is a thing that is actually stable. I don't think a vast majority of the stuff they're spouting about going to have will even be in the game.
@SpaceTomato4 ай бұрын
This is true. I would certainly hope somebody on the team has the background to help build a system like this!
@emoney74724 ай бұрын
It will never be the dream that is. Space dads are funny.
@lootjunior4 ай бұрын
How come it's called both Quanta and Quantum at the same time? I only ever heard Quanta, but your video proves there is something weird going on.
@Syphirioth4 ай бұрын
Great video!! I should do some catching up on these quality vids!!
@anthonyclare67504 ай бұрын
Tony Z and Nepotism in hiring.
@LucidStrike4 ай бұрын
I mean, it's not literally without Quantum, just minimal Quantum. As far as I know Quantum has been in charge of fuel and quantum beacons - maybe combat assistance specifically - for years now. It's strange it stopped there, but it's still not true that Quantum hasn't been used at all.
@AaronAlso4 ай бұрын
"We all delays in game development are normal. Although in Star Citizen, they see more the standard than the exception." There, I fixed it for you.
@toecutter93724 ай бұрын
I believe CIG is just waiting for server meshing. I don't know how they would test quanta with the backers with 70 person servers. When there is 400-500 people or more in a server, thats when its time to bring this online.
@dashbolt101s4 ай бұрын
Fresh info from today's Star Citizen live (May 3rd 2024) : Quantum will be discussed next quarter !
@EvanRath4 ай бұрын
i saw tony in vegas
@TalosEscanor4 ай бұрын
Star citizen will be the real star citizen when the economy and reputation are ready !!!!!!
@thirdworldrider69914 ай бұрын
i can tell you now and i said it before, and i was right. quanta or quantum or whatever it is... is a dream in a man's head. theres not even a single line of code in the star engine for quanta. it might be a simulation somewhere but not one that can be "inserted" into the game. even if it now got started, theyd now have to put it in game lol
@SolarTara4 ай бұрын
Too bad they have been selling all the real ships this whole time. By the time the games out, with these players who have spent $2000 still want to play? What will they work towards and earn money for if not for ships? If they already own all the cool ships they like. Why play? Base building? Making friends? Sure these probably, but I just think it was slightly a mistake to allow players to purchases every ship in the game for real money, and I hope by release they remove this. I see it being a real problem of players who have spend thousands, struggling to find a real goal to play the game for
@cos47794 ай бұрын
Watched intro, great questions.
@Joseph-wh5of4 ай бұрын
Star Citizen has many large elephants in a small room.
@narosushi4 ай бұрын
IDK bro.. i can be super wrong on this BUT they didnt even talk a bit of the quanta on last citzencon.. and CRIS loves say things are not even close.. so u can imagine the state of quanta.. OH MAN.. thats SAD!!!
@Jarvis_aka_UgunnH8This4 ай бұрын
Every year is the year people think everything is just about to change. But does it though?
@danny19882214 ай бұрын
Not getting paid for gas 💀.. soany times this has happened
@moontreecollective67184 ай бұрын
Eve figured this out 20 years ago. They really need to stop trying to reinvent the wheel or fix what isn’t broken
@PbPomper4 ай бұрын
Another excellent video! Without a dynamic economy the game will be dead before long. It's the driving force behind most of the emergent gameplay.
@sanctred4 ай бұрын
I suspect server performance is holding this back
@warren31744 ай бұрын
Tony Z? Blink twice if you need help
@SpaceDad424 ай бұрын
He is being held hostage by Sandi until he figures out a way to increase profits for her shoe closet.
@EricMartindale4 ай бұрын
Their approach to the economy shows they know nothing about economics - you cannot control prices from the top-down, only the market can solve "the calculation problem"
@jmann35984 ай бұрын
Anyone that thinks this ship price update is anything but a way to push more ship pledge sales is brain dead and coping. If it were just economical changes for balance then some ships would have had their price go down along with some going up.
@rolinthor4 ай бұрын
Some ships did go down but most of them were just doubled, quadrupled, or increased by suspiciously even multiples, showing that the new prices are just as arbitrary as the old ones.
@NightNord4 ай бұрын
IMO (slightly tinfoil hat edition): Tony was (probably no longer works at CIG) the main proponent of the originalish economy-centric design but he had an opposition in form of Todd (confirmed to be no longer working at CIG) who was pushing towards the pvp-centric design. This conflict was never properly resolved thus resulting in stalemate, strange development priorities and even potential sabotage. That is, until Rich came back from SC and Todd was given an ultimatum and left the company (Tony probably left before that since the previous CitizenCon which was basically the Todd's vision triumph. Probably Todd failed to prove that design since that moment). Now we will know what the game will be after 1.0 design will be published. P.S. BTW, Quantum, probability volumes, vnpcs, ship and shop prices and commodity lists - all that is handled or tied into the backend service infrastructure they call diffusion. It's global for all shards and had been since sons 2.something, so server meshing doesn't change anything about it
@SpaceTomato4 ай бұрын
Hopefully they clarify why they bring up server Meshing then! An interesting theory, we'll see how it all plays out!
@stundardutch53204 ай бұрын
No worries in the next 12 years it will be good.
@DrFrogglePhD4 ай бұрын
They took out everything interesting from 3.23 but still spent most of the promotion on the nonexistent features. Anyone that actually falls for their nonsense deserves disappointment.
@SpaceTomato4 ай бұрын
Promotion?
@DrFrogglePhD4 ай бұрын
@@SpaceTomato Promotion as in media used to promote a product. The videos they upload such as "Inside Star Citizen". Such a deceitful, manipulative group of goblins they are.
@Sacred4214 ай бұрын
With the way insurance is, I could care less about what they are calling economy. If I don't see a player economy, none of this matters to me. Mining consumables and selling that to players is the bridge we need. Along with rarity. Price alerts are almost useless and your still forced to use third party websites for any meaningful trading. But aside from learning where to go, it doesn't change. Basically, you will do the exact same run over and over and over because there is no meaningful change.
@davewills1484 ай бұрын
We cant wait for 3.23 to go live, and even better when 3.23+ drops, we are closser to NPC Crew and AI Blades, thedevs have said it wont be long, and its on the ROADMAP, so not long now, i really wnat to SOLO my Javelin, Perseus and Polaris, will also make using the Mole easier with my NPC Crew, cant wait for my BMM also, fully crewed and a real bitch in Pyro. Coming soon i am told by the community
@restwellcloud-ix8ee4 ай бұрын
Tony z quit cig. He’s gone I hear
@epiclittleman904 ай бұрын
Salvage gets a pass, no more millions from salvaging. Does this mean mining has rose back to the king of Cash, 🎉🎉🎉🎉
@madislanddoctor4 ай бұрын
CIG is mostly hot air and very very little action. It's become their business model for what, a decade now?
@TripleXGames4 ай бұрын
Great stuff
@-ZeroRed-4 ай бұрын
I don't understand, isn't this absolutely backwards? Why would you jack up prices to such an extent without adjusting payouts and fixing money making opportunities first? Are they trying to keep new players away or what is going on?