Star Trek Discovery mid-season - re:View

[@MrRomes123]

They should have had Jay sit in the middle looking bewildered and not say a single word the whole video.

[@skullketon]

Your prayers have been answered in their new review.

[@thedoctorprofessor1817]

It would be like that one half in the bag episode where rich sits completely still for half the episode because he didn't see one of the movies.

[@SuperCaleb360]

He reads the making of Jurassic Park book.

[@richarddimeck4578]

Would be good if they asked him something half way through and he just says... BYEEEEEEEEE And does a half in the bag small shuffle off screen

[@maratumba]

He is. You can't see him because he stays so still, he's invisible.

[@jasontentacles4038]

No Country For Old Nerds

[@elduderino1635]

No country for men...

[@maasirjaved6788]

@@elduderino1635 what

[@ianrundquist6282]

I was a star trek fan in this county when I was twenty-five. Hard to believe. Grandfather was a star trek fan. Father too. Me and him were star trek fans at the same time, him in Plano and me here. I think he was pretty proud of that. I know I was. Some of the old-time star trek fans never even watched the movies. A lot of folks find that hard to believe. Jim Scarborough never watched them. That the younger Jim. Gaston Boykins wouldn’t watch one. Up in Commanche County. You can’t help but compare yourself against the old timers. Can’t help but wonder how they would’ve operated these times.

[@danielt.8573]

No interesting material for new nerds. Much less the old.

[@aceofspadesguy4913]

Yeah it’s not just older nerds. I’m 19 and I miss Star Trek.

[@tychothefriendlymonolith]

Mike has a habit of predicting the future. Must be the spice.

[@Asgier3]

I know what that is!!

[@Vaultboy101]

@@Asgier3 Yay nostalgia! At least they actually have a decent and appropriate director for the new adaptation.

[@gamernes9]

@@Vaultboy101 lol implying that david lynch isn't a decent director. he wasn't appropriate for dune but c'mon.

[@adamfrisk956]

It's actually a count of midichlorians and booze in his blood cells.

[@alloutofbubblegum8165]

And the spice must flow.

[@traviswight8987]

"It made me die a little inside" - Rich Evans (box quote for Star Trek Discovery)

"it made me die a little inside" - Ash Tyler (box quote for his medical report)

[@jaysus620]

Rich indulging Mike in his need for 'Star Trek' therapy is really kind of beautiful.

[@Malkav65]

I’ve enjoyed watching their dynamic in these two Star Trek re:Views. Totally different from how they interact in BotW.

[@georger64]

“It‘s early January 2018, and life couldn‘t be better.“ Oh, those innocent sweet old days, I want them back.

[@voilvelev6775]

my thoughts exactly

[@inmjoh]

@@Medieval_Dead 76

[@kingofsapi]

To quote Rich in TLJ review: "I'm sorry, you've wasted your life and your fandom." The haunting irony...

[@zimriel]

if we are lucky, we can all live long enough to watch our dreams die

[@peregrinusoblivione4967]

@@zimriel That's fucking stupid. Once my kids are married and settled Its shotgun to the brain for me.

[@infantiltinferno]

@@peregrinusoblivione4967 Star Trek fans: A cheerful lot.

[@Kameratyp]

I am shocked at how much life there is in Mike's eyes when he talks about Star Trek

[@Mike_Olee]

Mike used to be my favorite and I wasn't a big fan of Jay. But slowly through the years I started liking Jay a lot more. Mike seems to be less and less interested in going to see a movies and writes movies off before he even sees them now. Jay gives movies a chance even if they look bad he just seems to be more into doing the reviews in general and Mike the whole time gives off the vibe that he'd rather be doing something else.

[@adamfrisk956]

You ain't suffering from the chronic depression like the rest of us, Olee.

[@pascha120]

Jack and Jill, Pixels, The Emoji Movie... the poor guy probably gets PTSD flashbacks from some of the hot garbage he watches for this channel. Binge watching Trek would be an integral part of his self-healing process; it brings the childlike wonder back into his eyes.

[@peregrinusoblivione4967]

Or when there is that much light shone in to them.

[@oldskoolchomp81]

A good elderly death joke also gives Mike an emotion sometimes.

[@The_Burning_Sensation]

It's so weird how the people running all these huge properties, from Star Wars to Star Trek to comics, have collectively decided they hate the current fan base and want to drive them away and replace them.

[@denkerbosu3551]

All while procaliming to want the "wider-audiences" when they are mostly hollywood elites with no contact with the common people.

[@denkerbosu3551]

@@gaydonaldtrump They would _appeal_ to the fans if that were the case. They never reach the "wider audiences" they want.

[@chopperjoe1998]

Except for the fact that the Star Wars movies, aside from Solo which was released at a terrible time with awful marketing, continue to be major successes with making billions of dollars.

[@denkerbosu3551]

@@chopperjoe1998 >you need marketing for Star Wars Yeah it totally wasn't because the movie right before it was absolute disappointing shit.

[@Xanthas1453]

Those fans require effort to please

[@FortWhenTeaThyme]

It's not just "old people" who cling to the old Star Trek style. I'm in my early 20s and I have no interest in a dark, moody, violent Star Trek show. Plenty of my friends who are under 30 agree. I don't think it's a "changing of the guard" as much as it is selling out to the lowest common denominator, which is a thing that's always existed.

[@aliciabell6688]

Perfectly stated.

[@Jhakson]

Cheers

[@jayline7776]

Thank you! Completely agree, and I'm 23 years old

[@sharpshiell]

FortWhenTeaThyme I'm 35, and I was too young for Star Trek the Original Series. But I still love Star Trek the Original Series. I also love everything that came after that up until this god-awful piece of shit STD

[@claykennedy6790]

28 and I'm right there with ya.

[@julianwebb919]

I think it’s really great that they let Mike and Rich have their little show so they can talk about space tv. After all, the nursing home can get lonely and Mikes dementia keeps getting worse by the day.

[@julianwebb919]

Obviously. Jay this whole time has been their loyal caregiver. They usually cut out the parts where Mike won't take his pills and Jay has to force them down his throat.

[@RobertSlover]

no.

[@AlexDeLarge1]

Little did we know, Mr. Plinkett is all too real. Rich Evans plays him when Mike is on screen, but Mike’s dissociative disorder still flares up once in a while.

[@cmillerg6306]

And that you are entertained?

[@dumat100]

Lol, Rich is so Milwaukee. His first idea of a high class fancy meal is chicken parmesan.

[@stabbityjoe7588]

That is fancy meal

[@RobotsPajamas]

He's more West Allis.

[@stabbityjoe7588]

@@KevinJDildonik well it’s the most fancy meal IVE ever had

[@toggtlas7099]

@@KevinJDildonik And Sushi started out as a poor-mans food that no one wanted to eat. The word literally comes from the sour taste it had from the conservation method. Arguing that something can't be fancy because it started out as a cheap dish or can be had cheaply is quite silly.

[@stevenuss1482]

Parmesan is a type of cheese. Do you mean parmigiana?

[@user-ke4kz3in9j]

Yoda dancing in a bikini bottom: next Mandela Effect.

[@calebhorton4701]

R For a second I thought you meant that Yoda was dancing for all the characters of Spongebob to see.

[@hombreerana]

same here

[@TheScheckig]

Comics aren't for me, anymore. Star Wars isn't for me, anymore. Star Trek isn't for me, anymore. I'm finally free.

[@SomeKindaSpy]

I feel the exact same way. I'm done with Star Wars and Star Trek. Literally the only comic I'm into is one online called Kill Six Billion Demons.

[@TheScheckig]

It's a good feeling isn't it. We're free to discover interests in new and unusual things, I've taken up guitar repair and modification.

[@TheScheckig]

Unlikely.

[@wolfiethebumpireslyr]

Free. But at what price ?

[@HiDesert004]

How many 90 year old Superman fans are out there? Those early kiddie fans moved on. We can too.

[@sheridanburton4532]

"Captain Lorca's a secret asshole. Captain Lorca's a secret mirror, mirror bad guy." Slam. Dunk.

[@RHetrick1987]

Love seeing Mike talk about something you can tell he legitimately loves.

[@ChaoGuy2006]

I think for the sake of the mental health of everyone in RLM- they need to watch good stuff sometimes to offset the awful shit they watch. Not just fun schlock- genuinely good work. Gives the audience hope that cinema and TV isn't just circling the toilet.

[@LocalMultiplex]

it's not a common occurrence

[@rufuspig]

Holy moly, Mike's proposed twist to Discovery would be amazing

[@WarCriminalPhlox]

Brian Ahern Its a stupid twist, they are not nearly as evil as the Terran Empire. Real friendships and romance? No torture chamber for crewmen who brake the rules? No revealing outfit for women? No one getting murdered in a way to advance in the ranks? Talking about "Federation" instead of "Terran Empire"? All these things are established both in TOS and Enterprise era, so you can only excuse by saying the Empire as like that in ENT Times, then changed but right before TOS begins it goes back to being over the top evil. Seeing how dumb it is makes me think its quite possible it IS the twist.

[@j.p.9522]

There has to be three mirror universes--Terran Empire mirror universe, STD mirror universe, and prime timeline mirror universe. It's the only way to salvage Discovery.

[@thequesomanishere]

"this is captain Christopher pike" oh thats perfect

[@ChaoGuy2006]

If Klingons are no longer forehead aliens that just look like tanned space-pirates, then I'm on board with this being a rebooted mirror universe.

[@icemachine79]

+Heitor Mello Wait, are you saying _Enterprise_ has caused some sort of continuity issue? What a shock.

[@cb_norwood]

22 mins in I haven't learned anything about Discovery but I've learned tons about Star Trek and I'm definitely going to start watching the Orville.

[@ibrahimkhatib6191]

Forget what these (generally brilliant) guys say, the Orville is totally Awesome! I think Mike and Rich just know Star Trek too well to see the brilliance of the Orville. It’s not trying to HIDE that it’s an homage to classic Star Trek, and the McFarlane style humor gives it a completely brilliant distinction to make it it’s own thing (it is VERY funny too). Trek sci-fi combined with contemporary comedy? Definitely awesome.

[@PyrokineticFire1]

@@ibrahimkhatib6191 I agree. Mike in particular was hard on the Orville for personal reasons. copying plots is lazy/boring when done by the Orville, but it's OK when TNG DS9 VOY all copied TOS plots. he also repeats "dick and fart jokes" over and over to diminish what he doesn't find funny/appropriate. I understand if he doesn't like the "blue humor" but to reduce it all to dicks and farts... i think he really wanted to say "dick" and "fart" repeatedly, for comedy. his conclusion is also muddled. he suggests that STD needs to find it's own voice, but it already has a unique, violent, dramatic voice. STD needs to learn to harmonize with the franchise chorus!

[@Poopmannn]

@@PyrokineticFire1 I mean, this video is over 4 years old. Mike’s opinion on Discovery has DRASTICALLY changed since lmao

[@RPGDesignatedPaladin]

@@PyrokineticFire1 Mike is known to loathe Kevin Smith (who I am Ride-or-Die for, I can’t help it.) who is well known for reducing his own work to “movies about dick and fart jokes”. I took Mike’s use of that phrase that is commonly associated w/ Kevin as a way to indicate anything he thinks to be sub-par content. I really love and enjoy the RLM guys so this renders me a conflicted woman.

[@DR.64A9]

​@@ibrahimkhatib6191 The critism about recycled plots is unfair. It's almost impossible to create a completely unique story.

[@zacmoore5257]

Yoda twerking was the best part of The Last Jedi.

[@RP_Williams]

I saw the RLM review before I actually watched The Last Jedi, and by the way Mike described it, Yoda was nothing but 'crazy assh^le Yoda from when Luke first meets him'...all it was Yoda laughing a bit too heartily (for half a second) and then he was back to wise old Yoda (as he SHOULD be)...I don't get Mike's beef with Yoda (in the new film), in the least (and I usually agree with most what Mike says). Minus the goofy laugh, Yoda was great.

[@booates]

is yoda twerking gonna be part of the mandela effect in a couple years?

[@RP_Williams]

"rey stole the texts out of there" - ??? What is with this? Was there some part in the film where Rey has the texts? Because I don't remember seeing that.

[@LuisFlores-jg8of]

DeathToTheDictators It's Mike's dementia making him forget about Yoda being wise.

[@RP_Williams]

+skywolf "shown on the falcon at one point" - Oh! Cool! I somehow missed that part (I've only seen it once)...planning on seeing it at least once more (now that I've had a week to process it...plus 3D is only in theatres). Thanks for clearing that up, for me!

[@kloggmonkey]

finally mike breaks the silence and talks about star trek for once!

[@blidrob]

The Orville understands the concept of escapism in entertainment.

[@jessicazimmer8910]

Yup, and that is the number one reasons I enjoy it. Fanfic and all.

[@evilmiera]

I really want RLM to do a proper video on it, now that Season 3 is in the works.

[@evilmiera]

@@mowpa621 We can certainly hope so!

[@ibrahimkhatib6191]

@@waywardmind dam straight!

[@ManOutofTime913]

It also knows to confront social issues through allegory which Star Trek forgot until recently.

[@drifter316]

I don't even like Star Trek.. I just watch these so I can be soothed by Mike and Rich's gentle purrs...

[@manantialeterno7598]

*depressive purrs

[@eeyuup]

I'm not very much into Star Trek, but I like watching these because I like seeing this side of Mike and Rich, where they're a little more serious and talk about something they're both pretty invested in.

[@CJonesApple]

"I have a list of them" Pulls out an actual fucking list.

[@javkiller]

A legit Mike spaghetti moment. What a treasure trove this was.

[@auto_mata]

Quark, no room for growth? That root beer speech alone is one of the high points of that entire show for me.

[@Befuddled_Ostrich]

It's insidious.

[@DaSauceful]

Just like The Orville

[@juergen4ever]

But you know what's really frightening? If you watch enough of it, you begin to like it.

[@dr.juerdotitsgo5119]

I don't know why people get so hung up on character "growth" and backstories these days. Quark and Garak are the best DS9 character because of their personalities, which is far more difficult to get it right than just insert some tragic backstory b.s. or a change of heart.

[@falsehero2001]

The Last Jedi has really damaged Mike. He can't go one video without becoming even more disgusted by it. I don't even think the prequels effected him this bad.

[@nmcvicker03]

I feel his pain.

[@robm6645]

And the prequels are the reason he's an alcoholic.

[@isodoublet]

" He was as giddy as a boy on Christmas morning when TFA came out." But it was worse.

[@SuperMovieLvr933]

Rian Johnson must feel like Tom Hanks in Cast Away & i like The Last Jedi.

[@badtexture1062]

Well, the prequels didn't tear apart a character we loved. To be honest, I still don't get the hate for them-- you can point at its faults all you want, but in many ways IV-VI have all the same problems. Before you whine about the CGI, just think of how terrible some of the original dogfights look by today's standards. I still liked The Force Awakens quite a bit for reopening the series in a neat way, but Rogue One and The Last Jedi... both were just dreadful. Both tore apart much better stories from the past with complete garbage, and spared no expense in basically ruining giant aspects of the storyline for shock. And yeah, Jan/Kyle were way better.

[@rootfishjones9315]

I can't wait for the Tarantino Star Trek to feature aliens with big feet, aliens with small feet and aliens with feet where their sexual organs should be.

[@dupersuper1938]

"Not every one keeps their genitals in the same place."

[@KneelB4Bacon]

I love Mike's theory that this season is taking place in the Star Trek Mirror Universe, but that's WAY too smart an idea for this current batch of Star Trek writers. They'll never go there.

[@AtomicBoo]

well at least a couple of episodes will happen in Mirror Universe, episode 10 ended in cliffhanger go watch it

[@ryannightingale6520]

SPOILERS turns out they were kind of right

[@gameboxfreak]

Catzilla turns out Mike was right

[@MrZiljon]

That would blow my mind, I'd actually continue watch if that was the case, I stopped after episode 5 cause I thought it was so freaking bad! Wait, read some other comments, is he really right, are they in mirror universe?? :O Pls reply, if they are I would continue watch!

[@ryannightingale6520]

SPOILERS They are kind of right, one of the characters (the one they suspected the most) turned out to be from the mirror universe originally

[@jean-pierreenglish5043]

For Dune, those are actually humans who have consumed so much spice they've become physically/mentally transformed. They can see all paths into the future so they can pick a space route that doesn't end up with the ship crossing paths with a celestial object and exploding

[@iavv334]

Jean-Pierre English Hello fellow Dune fan

[@ManOutofTime913]

Not that the film could be bothered to explain that or much of anything else. The best thing you can really say about it is that it's hilariously misguided and entertaining in that respect, and that it might generate interest in reading the book if you haven't done so.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

The film is superior to the book. The book is hokey 1960s far-right sci-fi (with all the common flaws of that genre at the time), the film brings the ideas in the book to life. The book had cool concepts but it was not actually a good read.

[@pkpckls]

I'm 100% convinced that the comedy aspects of The Orville have been included in order for it to be categorised as a parody and be exempt from copyright litigation, leaving the makers free to just make more episodes of TNG. Comparing the volume of jokes between the pilot and the second episode is like night and day, and they're slowly eliminating them to the point where I expect there'll be one token joke per episode. I imagine the lawyers would have just stopped watching episodes after a while, like this pair of hack frauds.

[@garlic_starlet]

Very astute.

[@futonrevolution7671]

"Your Honor, you must rule that our show is clearly a transformative parody. Note the fart joke we inserted at the 20-minute mark."

[@pkpckls]

Futonrevolution "If Worf never joked about shit, you must acquit"

[@praxisvoiceworks]

The Orville has so much in common with TNG and even with the dirty jokes and some totally unnecessary sex stuff thrown in it still manages to feel authentically like Stat Trek. Star Trek Discovery is just NOT Star Trek. It's some progressive nonsense that the studio is trying to use to push an agenda rather then writing actual good material.

[@ClockworkBoredom]

yoda twerking is canon to me

[@revelationreflection]

Distant Rap music lol

[@theloniousswope2814]

I really respect your depth of Star Trek knowledge. I've been in my field for 20 years and I still don't know as much about my job as you do about Star Trek. That is impressive dedication. fscking nerds

[@haleymist09]

Thelonious Swope. Neat. What's your field?

[@arpakyna]

He's the guy who scrunches up the paper balls you find inside new shoes.

[@theomimesis]

Star Trek Discovery is neither over-written nor under-written; instead, it is simply poorly written.

[@boxcarhobo7017]

Wait. It's written?

[@obscure.reference]

@@boxcarhobo7017 i think generated is the proper term

[@kalishinko]

The creature in dune is a person who took a shitload of spice. This could be your future, Jay.

[@MS.on.YouTube]

Rich*

[@PatricksCrazyPlace]

"Dune is a nightmare" I swear to God everything Mike says is hysterical.

[@cell718]

Patrick's Crazy Place But the Spice is life

[@mattrmsf]

No, water is life. But he who controls the spice, controls the universe.

[@bruce5204]

the spice must flow

[@mattrmsf]

tomatodamashi I understood it easily enough and I hadn't read the books yet. Once I did read the books, however, I don't think it did them justice, and I've come to kind of hate it.

[@GeoffBarone]

"It's early 2018 and life couldn't be better" "Sure it could" That pretty much sums up how I feel these days

[@elcantu7190]

Every day 2018 is looking better and better fuck 2020

[@olotocolo]

yeeeeeeeeeah.... so how's 2022?

[@JoseMolina-jz9hh]

My sentiment exactly

[@fqvermis8205]

"We will do what old Men do; we will just rewatch our old stuff and complain about them Kids and there New Stuff. And than we will just die." I'm not even 20 yet, and I already feel the Same.

[@SomeKindaSpy]

23 and I've honestly felt that way since my sophomore year of high school.

[@Timmycakes88]

A re:View of Dune would be wonderful!

[@MLdoktor]

Timmycakes88 These hacks should definitely re:view DUNE! It's freaking amazing! The sleeper must awaken!

[@terrycraft6500]

I think they would have to take the time to actually watch Dune. I have watched all their shit for like the last 3 years or more and one of my few gripes is they pretty much shit on Dune. I dunno, Dune was and still is one of my all time favorites. Yeah the books were hard to follow later on(for me) but the David Lynch film is in my top 5 most watched movies.

[@Keihryon]

Guess I am the only one that enjoyed Sci-fi's low budget version of Dune, and the higher budgeted Children of Dune?

[@PorucznikBorewicz]

This needs to happen ASAP.

[@readordiefanatic]

The water of life..... the water of life.

[@desmondd1984]

Rich was 100% bang-on about the Orville. It got so much better in seasons 2 and 3.

[@danielhenington9476]

only saw one episode, the one where the 2 klingon-esque aliens wanted to have a sex change on their baby. Thought it was really solid.

[@television1088]

Season 3 when it got all serious, it became incredibly dull.

[@cactuschef3]

I think by far the biggest problem with modern star trek is this bizarre need to CONSTANTLY DO PREQUELS. like holy shit, the end of DS9 the alpha quandrant is wrecked, there's a bunch of cool technology floating around (at least voyager brought some interesting *stuff* back with them), it would have made for a super interesting setting with plenty of room for the dark srs stuff people seem to want so badly now. but for so many years now they just need to do prequel after prequel after alternate-timeline-prequel. knock it off already and MOVE FORWARD

[@steverogers8163]

The thing that really confused me was Voyager setup the idea of the future Star Fleet being a Time Fleet. I thought for sure they were going to do that because that way they could use time travel instead the holodeck as the excuse for weird period piece planets. Then they didn't but did at the same time in Enterprise.

[@ZemplinTemplar]

Yes, there is a time and a place for a good prequel. Unfortunately, the quality of ST prequel shows has been very spotty at best, and they overdid it with the number of projects focusing on that format. They should have just gone for a complete reboot or moved it into the future of the setting, even several centuries later from the farthest point in the main chronology of the setting. It would have given them plenty of manuevering space for completely new stuff... Oh well...

[@bruce5204]

you're 100% right. If you take discovery and put it 10 years AFTER DS9 it makes more more more more sense. But some corporate fraud is convinced that "nostalgia sells", so let's go with the absurd prequel with far more advanced technology than the most advanced of the old series.

[@riderridee2958]

Prequels are inevitably limited storywise because you know what's going to happen next. Of course, since you know what's going to happen next, you know you're going to like the ending, so you'll probably watch it (at least marketers hope so). That's why right now we have Star Trek prequels, Star Wars prequels, and even Lord of the Rings prequels (as in, that Netflix series that takes place between The Hobbit and LOTR and so has little if any room to develop its own tone or direction, not a brand new look at literally anything else that happened in Mddle Earth in the millenia before the war of the ring).

[@FELCommentary]

I like Discovery but I forever wish it was a post Voyager show that was serialized about a borg war coming soon since they destroyed their network

[@BlaiseHvk]

I could listen to Mike talk about Star Trek for hours

[@LosBerkos]

We have listened to Mike talking about Star Trek for hours.

[@HAOSimulator]

God could you imagine, like, Wesley, telling Picard how "fucking cool" something was? Incredible.

[@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786]

Followed by Picard going "No, ensign, _it is_ FUCKING cool" ... 5 years ago I might have said this could have been part of a Robot Chicken sketch, but now Picard exists, so...

[@RogueAstro85]

Picard nearly slapped Wesley for saying that he knows all about *his* ship. If Wesley said "fuck" on the bridge Picard would have thrown him in the brig

[@agquad]

Picard would have set his phaser to the highest setting and instantly vaporized Wesley.

[@sualocin]

The spice extends life, the spice expands consciousness. The spice is vital to space travel. Travel...without moving.

[@PeterEvansPeteTakesPictures]

This is spice. This is your penis-face on spice. Spice, not even once!

[@larrymantic2635]

*weird creature floating in space suddenly moving the space sausage somehow*

[@DonMiguelLaBestia]

MacFarlane has said that he intends Orville as a sort of Deadpool for Star Trek. It simultaneously is making fun of super hero movies but also is a super hero movie. The reuse of ideas is very much intentional and I don’t think it would work as a riff on Star Trek without that. I dig it personally

[@Cadaveralien]

That just sound like an excuse to reuse ideas, and nothing is bigger evidence of that than deadpool, the best deadpool arc are not reuse of ideas, and the (good) times deadpool parodies something is transformative enough to not feel like a fanfic, unlike Orville

[@DonMiguelLaBestia]

Cadaveralien that’s fair and they certainly could do that with future seasons but I think it was necessary to set the tone. People know who Deadpool is now, he’s been around a while. Nobody knows what the Orville is. Plus, as Mike and Rich pointed out, Star Trek has always regurgitated ideas. If you were to dismiss a show for reusing ideas, then you couldn’t be a Star Trek fan in the first place. One other thing... mike and other reviewers I’ve seen completely dismiss this show’s comedy, saying it’s bolted on. I actually quite like it’s humor and laugh at almost every joke. It gives the show its own identity. This is Star Trek where people fuck, shit, and do drugs and I personally love that premise. It’s kept the soul of TNG while updating it for a new generation, with comedy, romance, more substantial continuity, and nobody takes things too seriously. I reject the notion that this is “fan fiction.”

[@toobbeebopper]

The first gay kiss on tv was on DS9, but not the Mirror Universe episode. It was a Dax episode when a former girlfriend of Curzon visits her...and they kiss.

[@anthrolizard1234]

Actually it was a life prior to Curzon which was cut short in a roundaout accident or something and Dax's wife was widowed after the Dax symbiont had to migrate hosts.

[@RudiRaichura]

Either way weird Mike forgot that!

[@HarveyH2O]

And the smiley nick name came from mirror Sisko not Bashir

[@BoleDaPole]

Who gives af, having two hot women kiss so that the dirty writers could see them make out, no doubt they watched those scenes very closely

[@user-hi4sm3ig5j]

@@BoleDaPole That doesn't sound anything like Rick Berman at all!

[@slicer009]

I'm so glad I found you guys - I feel like with Star Wars TLJ and Discovery that I've been going crazy. That all these critic reviews and audiences just show me that I'm out of touch, but I'm so thankful to find people I agree with. Love this, thank you.

[@Qwazin]

"Why am I here" perfectly summarizes my feelings for each episode I watch of STD.

[@CyrusB1]

Normally, I would make a parallel to pizza (even bad pizza is still pizza) But this bad Star Trek... this is more like Pizza the Hutt.

[@MadsBoldingMusic]

That's funny. My relationship with STD always comes down to asking: "Why are you here?"

[@shaynegallagher6006]

even my fingers... The body I've lost... the comrades I've lost... won't stop hurting...

[@desther7975]

STD... How fitting.

[@isodoublet]

"Take a deep breath, it will get really good once they get to the real prime universe." You sound like an abused wife mate.

[@PeterTeal77]

"Dour, broken people wallowing in how broken they are" describes 90% of the creators of and characters in modern big-budget media.

[@Havokwreaker]

It's the same old corporate pandering. It's like "HEY FELLOW MENTAL ILLNESSERS! I HAVE BRAIN SAD TOO! BRAIN SAD BAD, HUH? nowgimmeyourmoney"

[@tartrazine5]

6:06

[@wewemanicn]

Star Trek Discovery mid-season - re:View "Talks mostly about The Orville"

[@CommanderZx2]

Balnus Panglord was thinking the same thing. I clicked on this expecting a rip on STD, but instead just knocks on its only competition.

[@xdagmarxb548]

Watch the whole video. They clearly dislike STD.

[@emperormarcusaureliusanton5995]

"Only Star Trekky thing worth talking about nowadays"

[@WTFisTingispingis]

Balnus Panglord Because Orville is more interesting than Discovery.

[@barnsley19]

A Seth McFarland Star Trek based comedy is now better than an official Star Trek series. Why cant god take me from this cruel world.

[@misterscienceguy]

Harvey Worstenholme It's kinda cheating when you rip off everything from TNG though.

[@everettvonscott]

+Mr.Science There is way too much stuff in the world now. Its almost impossible to be completely original. So you take things you know or have some sort of affection towards and you try and give it your own spin.

[@Bloodynine606]

The Orville has zero spin. It's a motionless carbon copy of TNG, but with Seth McFarlane instead of an actual good lead.

[@gamerman360]

God is punishing us for sinning

[@megabeefman]

It's not though. Don't get me wrong, I'm watching both. And Orville may feel more like Star Trek, but if you're judging the shows not as "which show is more like TOS/TNG" but rather "which show has better writing, directing, and casting," Discovery easily comes out on top. I dunno if Ed Mercer fails so hard because of how Seth plays him or because of how he's written - it's probably a bit of both. And while his performance isn't necessarily the worst on the show, it's pretty bad for the lead role. Seth shoulda resigned himself to playing Scotty or some stupid shit, and have Kelly Grayson as captain. Because as it stands, they're right, Seth is playing out the role of hero in his fan-fic. Discovery stands on it's own as a cross between Star Wars and The Expanse.

[@Trevin_Taylor]

“It’s 2018 and life couldn’t be better” You cursed us Mike. Thanks.

[@Adammonroemusic]

Mike's so excited about doing an RLM project where he can blabber on about his knowledge of Star Trek - happiest he's been in years!

[@PeterEvansPeteTakesPictures]

Can't they just ask Mike to write us a Star Trek? It would be the sweetest thing. His face would light up in joy, a big glowing LCARS screen of joy.

[@MrDotious]

The battle at the binary stars looked extremely dense. Soooo many things were going on!

[@XepherTim]

I enjoyed it, mostly because I'm a massive sucker for cool looking space battles. And as much as I like the star wars style pulse weapons I really want more phasers.

[@toweypat]

Are you saying there were vistas?

[@jeffo.8966]

The first time I saw a borg confrontation in TNG, it was pretty intense and next to nothing happens.

[@zacky6533]

Tilly is the key to all of this

[@eXcommunicate1979]

The effects on this show, while rendered very well, are just aesthetically ugly af. The Battle of Binary Stars you could barely tell what was happening and everything was so damn dark. Nebula effects in this show are just plain weird too.

[@YouLousyKids]

"Discovery mid-season review" turns out to be 20 minutes about Orville...and it's the best part of this whole video. They'd so clearly love to talk about Orville being "second-rate fanfic rehash" Trek than to discuss "not at all Star Trek" Trek.

[@Trazynn]

Seth should probably hire Mike

[@boredfartless4221]

He should retire and put Mike in his place, can't stand Seth's face

[@auxtime]

I don't know... Did you watch Space Cop? Yeeash.

[@1981Mog]

@auxtime Space Cop's a weird one. If you like RLM and are familiar with their stuff it's quite entertaining. Not amazing, but fine. If you aren't it's just a baffling mess that falls flat at every turn. I have a flatmate/labrat I frequently trick into watching utter crap just to enjoy his response. He's never heard of RLM, and he actually got quite angry at Space Cop; ah, great evening.

[@dancinginfernal]

Do a re:view of Dune, holy shit

[@Nightstalker314]

Get Jay & Josh to do it!

[@BGRANT777X]

No thanks

[@VenEm]

Collab with cbg19

[@jo_magpie]

isn't re:view supposed to be movies they at some point really liked?

[@adamfrisk956]

The re:views must flow!

[@PhantomSavage]

As someone who is almost 30, I would very much like to clarify to any producers watching that it is not just the "old guard" that care about classic TOS and TNG style Star Trek... TNG reruns is just about the only Star Trek think I will actually watch in this day and age because the rest is, if not outright awful, does not represent what Star Trek is to me. Star Trek does not mean "High Stakes Space Adventure" to me, it never did. If I wanted to watch an emotion fueled space opera about a clash of ideals and heavy conflict, I would watch Star Wars.. that is what Star Wars is about. Star Trek, for me, is an intellectual's shows... a show about an optimistic, yet expansive and unknown future and the mysteries that lie within, mysteries and situations that often force us to reexamine our ideals and either change or fortify them in the pursuit of both self and outward discovery. That doesn't mean EVERY episode of Star Trek has to have a core, moral or ethical issues at its center, but I do like for Star Trek to make me THINK... Star Trek at its best does exactly that, make you think; - Think about ethics - Think about the future - Think about an unsolved mystery - Think about a complex obstacle or issue the characters have to overcome - Think about the repercussions of a character(s) actions or decision making The characters in Star Trek often have to outthink and outmaneuver their way out of their situations or to attain their goals.... not stab it to death or blow it apart with a phaser. "The West Wing" and "Game of Thrones" are also both excellent examples of shows that make a viewer THINK as opposed to being swept up in mindless action. GoT might have a lot of action sequences, but each of those action sequences arise out of a bigger picture and unraveling plot that is fuels by its character's carefully considered actions.. and The West Wing is a show entirely about solving big governmental problems and the challenges therein, but told realistically, and not where President Bartlett can secure the votes he needs from Congress by shoving a knife into the chief speaker's chest...

[@j.n924]

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

[@ibrahimkhatib6191]

That was perfect. Thanks young’un! Discovery should have been a brand new show that doesn’t cannibalize a legendary brand name. If you don’t want to do THAT story, then make a NEW SHOW!

[@Simon74]

Really, Star Trek is about... Family.

[@pokcow01]

"It's not about spaceships"

[@garbagefreak]

And that's why it's so powerful.

[@TheTwilitHero]

So basically it tries to be 2000's Battlestar Galactica and fails miserably.

[@justsomeguywithsunglasses8418]

Nope. Did you even watch the video?

[@90lancaster]

It makes marginally more sense than New BSG but yes it can't control it's camera and everyone is an unlikable asshole - so in that respect its very like Nu-BSG.

[@ManOutofTime913]

It's too straightforward to be like the new BSG.

[@HailSagan1]

Battlestar Galactica failed miserably enough on it's own.

[@PeterEvansPeteTakesPictures]

You know, despite 90's hair and some terrible forced humour, all this just makes me admire Bablyon 5 more and more. You got characters who were well established at the start and who, through organic gradual character progression, were almost unrecognisable by the end. Take Londo Molari, lovable and cheerful soul-of-the-party ambassador. An insecure yet good-hearted man who's grieving for the fallen glory of the once mighty Centauri Empire, and finds solace in gambling, drinking and womanising. And look at who he is by the end of the show, one of the darkest, doomed characters and yet one you still feel for because despite all the death and misery he's caused, and all the power he's amassed, he clearly wishes that he was once again a powerless joke of an ambassador, buying drinks for everyone at the bar. I'm a big STNG fan, yet I can't help but feel that the problem with these young shows today for all their edginess is that they're incapable of showing a compelling vision of a dark world as they take that as their departure point, and just desperately try to find ways of piling on the misery, rather than take something hopeful and optimistic and thrillingly put it through the wringer, having us on the edge of our seats as we pray that our beloved characters don't fall into that well of despair and violent expediency and instead manage to save what's good. But you know, I'm just an old man waving my walking stick and waiting to die, or something. And oh God despite it being wrong I just love David Lynch's Dune, so help me.

[@WaifuDiver]

I checked out Babylon 5 from my local library. I turned it on and the first thing I saw was that guy with the ridiculous hair. I immediately shut it off and said "Nope." I saw him on the box and thought "He's probably not in every episode." Sorry I just can't take a show seriously with a character that has hair like that.

[@alanritchie7850]

Yeah I love Babylon 5! I'm always amazed how dedicated the creator was to it.

[@ibrahimkhatib6191]

It’s surprising how few people remember Babylon 5 or noticed that DS9 rather ripped it off. B5 might not be the bee’s knee’s but it was a very new and creative show, with a DIFFERENT NAME which is what they should have done for STD. Just don’t call it Star Trek and then we could all say it was a meh sci-fi show instead of offensively bad cannibalism of the great works of the past.

[@charlottecorday8494]

@@WaifuDiver He's an alien for crying out loud

[@ImCarrotsforBananas]

Love Dune too, don't care aviut bad effects or goofy acting, it's eerie and beautiful sci fi

[@Chiller326]

My problem with Star Trek Discovery is that in 2018 it would actually be more daring and innovative to make a show that IS optimistic about humanity's future like TNG. Comparisons to The Last Jedi, which is just "it's time to let go of the past and have new adventures!" fall flat. There ain't a fuckin broom boy in Discovery.

[@logirex]

Not sure people want something super duper otimistic and shiny. Just look at the Orville the show has lost more than five million viewers. Only hardcore trekkies looks to be enjoying Orville.

[@Chiller326]

I fuckin love Broom Boy, ya dingus. It's a scene that overflows with optimism and looking forward to new wonderful stories being told in the future to inspire those who are growing up NOW rather than appeal to the nostalgia of people who REMEMBER being inspired by the old films and want to recapture that feeling. I'm saying that Discovery doesn't want to inspire anyone.

[@Chiller326]

hahahahahaha you didn't see The Last Jedi, did you?

[@WilliamLeeSims]

I found the humor in the last few episodes of The Orville to be better integrated and less forced. The characters started to settle down, too.

[@dominionwar1185]

these hacks probably didn't even watch all the episodes

[@Some1ne]

hmm.. so season 2 might be watchable?

[@ima420r]

Mike says he only watched like 6 eps of "Orville". If he watched the whole season he might have felt differently because it did get better (imo). But, yeah, fuck them those hacks! Those dumb fat skinny fucks with crocodile brains!

[@johndough6225]

Isn't it a mid-season review though?

[@dunderminnet]

I'm so happy that it's getting another season! They really found the perfect balance of humor and star-trek during the last few episodes

[@tangawarra]

Well, apparently STD did steal their ideas, and the way the characters look, from a computer game called "Tardigrades" and are trying to prevent a lawsuit by saying: "They are common sci-fi tropes - you know, giant blue tardigrades enabling space travel. That's just such a common theme that you can't call it copyright infringement." I'd rather watch The Orville, even if they recycle old plots, than a big cooperation fucking over some independent creator. At least they do it out of love for the original.

[@FANFIC_TALK]

I just couldn't seem to get past the violence of Discovery. One minute your characters are trying to joke around or raise their voices to levels that aren't horrendously monotone, and the next minute two admirals are getting their throats slit my a couple monsters that are calling themselves Klingon. All the while, your captain is looking like a super villain as he stares out the ship's poorly-lit rooms with foreboding music accompanying him. There was actually a part in the series where I felt more sorry for the Klingons than I did for the main characters... that's a bit of a problem...

[@Maple_Extract]

Mike's concept of what Discovery turns out to be is too pure for this world.

[@Spartacus547]

Both of you know why people like the Orville and not Star Trek Discovery you made the point before "The Oroville is an optimistic view of the future" and Discovery is one that you cringe at

[@Robobagpiper]

The episodes of Orville after Mike stopped watching have even less humor and more drama. The instinct that the humor was tacked on for the network is probably spot on - and the longer the Orville is successful, the more Fox is going to be comfortable with it being a drama and not a dicks and farts comedy, and it will be the Trek show we were waiting for. Rich is right; the only thing that could save Discovery is a twist of the magnitude Mike suggested.

[@Mantis42]

Apparently they're making season 2 of the Orville more drama/sci fi focused too

[@arfived4]

I suspect that the humour is there because "Star Trek parody" is slightly more legal than "Star Trek knock-off".

[@sixstanger00]

Given how much it's gone head-to-head with CBS's Discovery, I have no doubt in my mind FOX will continue to permit "serious" sci-fi from Orville. FOX probably perceives it as a means to entice viewers to abandon CBS's monthly streaming service and watch Orville on cable instead. This bodes well for FOX's advertisers.

[@sixstanger00]

*_For all its faults, Discovery is at least trying to do something new and interesting with the Trek formula._* Interesting indeed....it totally abandoned it in favor of something completely unrecognizable as Trek. If the creators of Discovery wanted to make such a shocking different flavor of Trek, why not just come up with an original series about bad guys & girls in space fighting each other? Doctor Who suffers from a similar change. To me, when you start swapping out key ingredients for something else, you'll end up with a pile of shit that you just *_CLAIM_* is still a delicious cake.

[@GarbledReverie]

I think the episode with Rob Lowe turned a corner with finding a proper balance with humor and drama. The other thing they didn't really touch on is that while The Enterprise was full of the Federation's best and brightest, The Orville is a ship full of the Union's barely functioning misfits.

[@evgeny_lazutin]

Why did I even watch this whole video? I haven't seen a single one Star Trek episode

[@Artsificial]

you are now ready.

[@TheTnok85]

Here's a bunch of episodes that would be great to start with. All stand alone and are a good representation of the rest of the shows: Enterprise: A Night in Sickbay These are the Voyages Voyager: Spirit Folk Threshold Deep Space 9: Profit and Lace Move Along Home The Next Gneration: Shades of Grey Sub Rosa Code of Honor The Original Series: Spock's Brain Turnabout Intruder

[@wanderingrandomer]

I'm in the same boat, never seen Star Trek. I just really love seeing people who care so passionately about something nerdy. It reminds me of me!

[@cjhedberg735]

Mike and Rich always downplay it but they are legitimately good at predicting stuff. Mike called the Lorca Mirror Mirror-twist, Ash Tyler being a Klingon in disguise, and the ending where they get a transmission from Captain Pike and the Enterprise. Rich called that The Orville was stuck in kind of a TNG season 1 phase and that they would tinker with it and turn it around (seasons 2 and 3 of The Orville are way less comedy and more sci-fi adventure/drama, similar to what TNG became at its peak).

[@ImAllinDark]

I feel so bad for Mike. He loves Star Trek, you can tell it’s one of the only things that really makes him excited to talk about and STD just shits on the formula. So much that people have to talk about a show by Seth Mcfarlane...

[@AtomicBoo]

I kinda got that vibe but from Rich, I don't know if I heard wrong but I understood that mike kinda liked it, that Star Trek was evolving into modern tv and that it was a good thing, while Rich only hated on the show.

[@ImAllinDark]

supersuato123 I think Mike just tolerates Discovery because it’s Star Trek. He definitely never praised it. The discussion became more of a pro v con list for the show and it seemed pretty clear they were having difficulty finding things to be positive about.

[@bleack8701]

I forgot Discovery abbreviated to STD and was very confused for a moment there

[@Davidwentworthart]

Im a trekkie and really love Orville-- but i take it as a spoof story that is elevating itself above what spoof comedies usually entail. i don't complain that spaceballs has things ive seen in star wars already-- that's the point. with Orville by being funny and fun while also taking on higher scifi and star trek concepts i think it creates its own cool niche.

[@megabeefman]

Spaceballs is funny. Orville technically has some jokes in it.

[@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control]

I think what I like most about Orville is it's not so much a parody as it is it's own sincere thing that just happens to be a hybrid comedy. It's also not a terrible thought that people in the future might actually have a sense of fucking humor. As much as I liked most of the Trek Series up to this point minus Enterprise, it is no mystery that every single crew member of every single iteration was a humorless cunt.

[@Davidwentworthart]

HitchensImmortal I completely agree! :)

[@someguy9284]

Having fun characters is fine, but Seth's humor just sucks now. It's the same uncreative and dumb jokes about dicks and swears since Family Guy returned from its cancellation. He needs a new gimmick.

[@williamriker7741]

David Wentworth Art right. I find it like TNG if they were more honest about human nature, with everyone just doing their job which they might not hate, but it’s still just a job.

[@GerryG91100]

man rev watching this in 2021 is sad, seeing how hopeful mike is, and knowing what happened...

[@TsunTzu]

See, new things are cool and all...but "new/subversive" obviously doesn't automatically equate to "good." Which, for whatever reason, seems to be the basic error in logic a lot of people are making. Watched some Orville with my dad and I genuinely wasn't expecting much- but, hey, it wound up being a relatively light-hearted and enjoyable omage to Star Trek. It filled a gap in shows nowadays that's just missing.

[@PrideResurrection]

Dune was a nightmare, but also a masterpiece at the same time.

[@pitstopchr]

Yea, there's a good fan edit out there that pretty much fixes everything. Love David Lynch.

[@thenightmancometh93]

I just watched it again about a week ago for the first time in 10 years and thought pretty much the same. It’s a great and awful movie all in one lol

[@PrideResurrection]

I love the sets, the actors, the use of inner monologues, the "vagueness", the "weirdness", even the bad special effects

[@forsaken841]

"is he a secret klingon in disguise?" wow, how'd you figure out that absurd plot point?

[@AgentTomcat]

The Orville is still looking for its voice and tone. TNG did almost nothing but recycle stories from TOS in its first season, while it was looking for its voice and tone. It's harder to watch than the rest of TNG, but season 1 is still pretty good. The Orville has already found a good voice and tone to go with in its second season, and it'll come into its own in the same way TNG did.

[@VarietyGamerChannel]

Characters in Orville are more interesting/unpredictable right off the bat. TNG season 1 was very by the numbers.

[@AgentTomcat]

Right on. TNG Season 1 also brought us gems of terminology that have never been heard anywhere else in Trek, like, "There's something strange on the detector circuit!" Yeah, Orville S1 was definitely better, especially the characters. And way more fun to watch.

[@heyyoitsmebrian]

i think if Orville keeps going itll slowly slowly distance itself more from Next Gen and do their own thing more and more. its just walking with a cane leaning on next gen in the beg til it gets its own legs.

[@voilvelev6775]

maybe if they stopped with the fart and dick jokes I'll give it a 2nd chance. But so far - no.

[@fernandohenriquemenezesdes5715]

@@voilvelev6775 they do stop on season 2

[@SJPace1776]

The difference for me is Orville come from a place of love and Discovery comes from a place of hate. To me Trek is sanguine at it's heart and I'll take a copy that carries that feeling over a prequel that discards it.

[@njtxus]

well said

[@jacobkosh]

Oh my fucking god Discovery does not "come from a place of hate." It namechecks Robert April - I bet most of the purported Star Trek fans on youtube don't even know who that is - has civilians dressed in authentic 60s go-go fashions and hairdos, and continues the Mirror Universe plot directly from Enterprise. Compare it to the first couple seasons of TNG, which acted embarrassed to be connected to TOS. Discovery is a show made by Trek fans for other Trek fans who are capable of paying attention - which, granted, ain't all of 'em.

[@njtxus]

calm down lad. maybe you should take a knee.

[@jacobkosh]

Whatever, broseph. Y'all are the ones whining about a TV show; you don't really get to pretend to be above it all now.

[@BeNice108]

The Orville. The not Star Trek respecting Star Trek more than any "Star Trek" that CBS is dishing out.

[@Borgkoenig]

Star Trek is about peaceful exploration of space. Everything else you can change. But not that.

[@Borgkoenig]

AndroidDoctorr It's like a new Columbo series. But Columbo does not solve crimes, he is committing them.

[@90lancaster]

Columbo was an amoral man - he didn't care if the murder had good reason to kill their victim - he was happy to see them be executed by the state to show he won. Where as Sherlock Holmes sometimes put a higher justice before the law (likely as he was a consulting detective) . When the person committing the crime is going to get the death penalty and Columbo knows that - when the victim is deserving of their death - then His actions are not moral they are amoral at best. I only especially supported his hounding of the criminal when the victims was a blameless one. It seemed more about him that it did the victims - heck he even sometimes apologies to the criminal knowing that the likely don't deserve to be led to their death.

[@dragoon347]

that's not entirely true... its about understanding humanity through the voyages of a crew in space. deep space nine was my fav trek because it went to dark places where other treks tread lightly. its dark trek done right

[@MegaKrinkle]

Something tells me there was a lot of cut footage of Mike rambling in this one ;D But I love seeing Mike and Rich talk about Star Trek in dedicated videos like this, and would love to see more.

[@count69]

To be fair a lot of these 'lifted' stroyline ideas are also generally well known sci-fi tropes, particularly from short stories .

[@jimmymcmorgan7827]

Yes, but Mike's "thing" is Star Trek.

[@berrydinkleberg3206]

Rich is looking much better, keep it up little buddy

[@crashdown11]

Yeah the diabetes medicine seems to finally help

[@thepoliticalstartrek]

Navigators in Dune are mutated humans.

[@Prengle]

"Dune is a nightmare of a film" Yes and I love it

[@juancornetto3010]

CBS needs to hire Mike 2 years ago.

[@juancornetto3010]

they needed to listen to him more closely.

[@GD-tt6hl]

You don't want the lunatics taking over the asylum.

[@deponia]

I gotta side with Rich on this one -- I gave up on ST:Discovery early on but I'm OK with Orville and have a lot of hope that it will really come together in Season 2. IMO the humor has been the weakest link on Orville and I find myself yearning for them to adopt more of a Stargate SG1/Atlantis style humor if humor is to continue to be a part of the show. I also disagree with Mike on the "Foundation of Orville" not being sustainable. I would argue that it is ST:Discovery that has the poor foundation (Can't see it going beyond 3 seasons) and Orville could actually come together if they can mature it and maybe take a bit more of a DS9 + SG1 approach going forward.

[@VarietyGamerChannel]

SG1 humor = O'Neill being confused by basic scientific concepts and Teal'c saying 'indeed'.

[@deponia]

Lot more clever than dick jokes.

[@j.p.9522]

*MIKE CALLED IT*

[@LosBerkos]

J. P. He fucking called it.

[@autolicious]

Well, he half called it.

[@SvartElric9]

So, apparently Lorca was in fact the evil version of himself from the mirror universe... How about that?

[@TheShaunika]

I cant believe they called that lol

[@Crumpy627]

Elric of Melniboné fucking next level call out

[@WTFisTingispingis]

Elric of Melniboné @_@ I'm going crosseyed. They already ran out of ideas so they went full Mirrorverse.

[@okramoffacebook1381]

He did not fit in right from the beginning.

[@alanpennie8013]

@@cassiuseagen4207 He was. Playing a complete dick with terrible judgement but likeable as ever.

[@Music34897]

It exemplifies how much of a problem Discovery is that they are discussing it and the Orville with such equivalency. The Orville is *supposed* to be a joke, and has risen beyond that, but Discovery *is* Star Trek, but is falling so short.

[@jefferyyoung2580]

Star trek discovery ok

[@jefferyyoung2580]

Star trek discovery is bad and not star trek

[@jefferyyoung2580]

Star trek discovery is Acton movie

[@jefferyyoung2580]

Captain orca is cool

[@olotocolo]

Orville was a joke that turned into real ST Discovery is real ST that turned out to be a joke

[@emptyangel]

Thank You RLM... You have kick started my Star Trek journey. I've begun watching Star Trek: TNG, my first foray into Star Trek. I guess you could say it's my Star Trek discovery.

[@crazypants88]

Voyager is good too, but ds9 is quite the treat IMO, hope you give those a shot too

[@n3rdm4n]

Good thing my memory sucks. I can enjoy the Orville so much more. As for STD, it would be a fine series if they called their thing "Not Star Trek."

[@connothecowboy]

n3rdm4n battlestar galactica 2 : not as good bugaloo

[@Artsificial]

my favorite STD is Hep C

[@crashdown11]

Not Star Trek starring the crew of the Spaceship USS Not Actually Discovering things

[@josephnewberry9290]

People-who-don't-know-they-are-on-a-spaceship story is even older than Star Trek. Robert Heinlein published a story called Universe in 1951 with that plot.

[@mutantmacrophage6653]

I'm rewatching this and it's surprising just how much time they spend talking about The Orville in this STD review. That really says something about STD, now does it?

[@Xyos212]

To me Star Trek was always about a bright future where a crew explores space and gets into wacky adventures, some with deep meaning and interesting philosophical choices, others just cool sci-fi or fun stories, with strong characters and acting to back all that up. There were war arcs and violence, but it was never the focus, and we always defaulted back to that general vision. To me that is the spirit of Star Trek. It's fine to do new things, but if the whole series is going to be dark and dreary with boring characters and uninspired ideas I'm not going to watch it.

[@AtomicBoo]

Its only one show its not like every other star trek material is going to be like that, I kinda liked it, I get my scope (as in a ball of ice cream) of cheesy sci-fy in dr who and in sg1, I liked this dark and serious star trek

[@philippealain-art]

The jar jar abrams timeline is not a serious "Star Trek", it's a stupid Star Trek that want to be cool and do not bother the audience with things considered too philosophical. It's a "Star Trek" that don't respect science anymore, nor the coherence of acts and situations. it is a lowering towards the most mediocre and idiotic.

[@icemachine79]

+supersuato123 SG-1 did it well. So did _Doctor Who..._ until Steven Moffat took over and turned it into a total shitshow. But why does "dark" always have to go hand-in-hand with "serious" these days? Can't we have _optimistic_ and serious... or is that automatically considered lame by the hipsters in charge of writing this nonsense?

[@WTFisTingispingis]

Xyos212 Discovery has nothing for me. I'm not a big Trekie but even I know that CBS is really not sure what the fuck they're doing with the franchise so they're turning it into Game of Thrones but IN SPACE.

[@Kekoapono]

To me, the Orville is clearly a love-letter to Star Trek ToS and TNG, and while yes, I agree that the humor doesn't always land, what I like most about the show is how real the characters feel. You touched on that a bit in this, but I think one reason why so many people like The Orville is because the setup is essentially putting real people into the Star Trek roles and seeing what happens. I think the show is more successful for that.

[@RogueAstro85]

Plus it has humorous bits that aren't meant to be jokes. Bortus smoking a cigarette and immediately telling the replicator to make "500 cigarettes" in demanding tone is fucking hilarious because it's so in line with his character.

[@mainmanbumfuzz8983]

25:20 Mike just predicted the big plot twist in the last episode.

[@gino8381]

Mike: "There are always going to be fart jokes in the Orville." The Orville: gets rid of most obnoxious jokes ( including fart jokes) in season 2.

[@latro7752]

Mikes point was that no matter what happens in season 2, there will always be excessive crass humor in season 1 and therefore he can never take the universe of the Orville seriously

[@MiniMackeroni]

@@latro7752 So about the same situation as TNG with its season 1, then?

[@BoleDaPole]

Bro this is fucking Sci fi, ofcourse you're not supposed to take it seriously. The girls name is Micheal for crying out-loud

[@maxharrison4708]

Star Trek is Star Wars... The Orville is Star Trek... then does that make Star Wars... The Orville? A colourful yet perhaps shallow remaking of what came before with tacked-on humour? Pfft, as if.

[@Tyfonen]

To the top with you!

[@NeilBulk]

Star Wars is Battlestar Galactica, a fugitive fleet fleeing from tyranny, and they're running low and fuel and can't go into hyperdrive.

[@mysterioso2006]

I'd love more videos like this. When Star Trek is the focus of the video and we know that going in, listening to Mike ramble is incredibly fun. The twinkle that Mike gets in his eye when he's ranting about Star Trek is just magical.

[@kindlollipop]

I thought the AI lifeform of Isaac was named after the debonair bartender from 'The LoveBoat."

[@JonMcGuirk]

If STD actually turns out to be the mirror universe (or some other dimension), I might actually start watching it.

[@Kleavers]

They dont act quite as violent as they did in the Enterprise mirror episodes, but there is a lot of time gap there. They might have been toned down a little bit. But yeah I doubt that will happen.

[@JonMcGuirk]

mechasentai_ I think it would. I've been pretty disillusioned with Star Trek for a while now and wish there was some series that made me interested in it again because I love TNG