Star Trek: Picard Season 2, Episodes 4 and 5 - re:View

[@atmazee]

a show written by people who don't like star trek, for people on twitter who don't watch star trek, for me to enjoy on KZbin being reviewed by people who used to like star trek

[@TrashcanBaptist]

I think they still like TOS-Enterprise. but yeah, well-said.

[@dekai7992]

Incidentally, they thus made me into someone who doesn't watch this Star Trek watching two guys who like Star Trek and talk about watching Star Trek they don't like. And I love it.

[@nellomaxim]

Lol....its a hot mess

[@watchawant9]

In a nutshell. ^^

[@notdrstrange2095]

THIS is exactly the show in a nutshell!

[@JilverZ]

"I can't believe humans are turning the future to shit for short-term profit" - Writers that are turning Star Trek to shit for short-term profit

[@Lemon_Inspector]

It's not hypocrisy if they really do love the smell of their own farts. They might genuinely believe Star Trek is now objectively better than ever.

[@JilverZ]

@@Lemon_Inspector It's better than ever for them, still at the cost of most people, just like the "evil capitalists" or whatever it is that they're criticizing.

[@BlueThe1up]

@@JilverZ the two of you made a more compelling ethical dilemma than the picard writers could create

[@MrB00mbang]

@@Lemon_Inspector Some do, but mostly the businesspeople behind this show are ruining Star Trek for $$. They barely know or care what Star Trek is. The same kind of disingenuous management of an IP that we previously saw with Kathleen Kennedy and Star Wars. Furthermore, Star Trek is now just a springboard for leftist ideology, which completely deviates from the nuanced LIBERAL (classical liberal) themes of former Star Treks, which always had room for BOTH sides of the story and not just LA Hollywood people’s shallow perspectives of the world.

[@luiginastro8831]

@@BlueThe1up Sad.

[@lookingtobuyarichevansbody7276]

"Man, Picard has a really fucking good memory of every event that happened in the whole history of the Federation" -Mike Stoklasa, man with a complete memory of every event that happened in the whole history of the Federation

[@smartalec2001]

"We had the Eugenics Wars, we had World War 3..."

[@lotus-prince]

Mike has a memory of episodes that focus on moments that are episode-worthy, as opposed to just an entire half hour of nothing happening, as it probably does for most of the crew's existence. Picard, meanwhile, has to work through an entire lifetime's worth of information to focus on something that obscure.

[@wishcraft4u2]

lol okay but the point is, I think, that the writers write these characters as if their entire existence revolves around things that happened to be on screen in star trek episodes, even when it's totally absurd, like as if Data's cat is some kind of important historical figure, so it's just weird when they reference such things so explicitly. Although yeah I guess Picard would know a lot about Kirk's service record I guess?

[@DOAM1234]

what makes it even more impressive is that mike is even older than picard is in this series...

[@hjalfi]

To be fair, the _real_ Picard from TNG was the kind of person whose ideal night out would be to settle down with a glass of tea and some old logs from the original _Enterprise_. It's perfectly in character for him to know every detail of them.

[@powerfulghost]

Important note about the scenes of homelessness in Los Angeles: actual homeless encampments were cleared out to make room for them to bring in set-dressers and build a fake one

[@aschles503]

This doesn't sound true at all. It sounds like a hyperbolic rumor dreamt up by fans of Trek who hate nu-Trek.

[@powerfulghost]

@@aschles503 I'm from here, and we saw it as it happened. At the time, I didn't know what they were shooting, and it wasn't until seeing this video that I knew what the footage of those fake encampments was used in.

[@OneRedKraken]

But dude, those were homeless people from 2021. They needed to hire actors to be able to play homeless people from 2024. Understandable.

[@ChuckPalomo]

That sounds like the kind of dark satire you'd see in a show like Monkey Dust. It doesn't get more ironic than that.

[@crybirb]

@@aschles503 No such thing as fans of Trek who hate nu-Trek. What you probably mean is people with a brain.

[@ElectroNukeMods]

It's so sad to see Marty McFly and the Riddler wallow in their disappointment in Star Trek as flabby middle-aged men. I love it.

[@DrEnginerd1]

Kek

[@toweypat]

That's heavy! 😄

[@spurgear]

Dr. Clayton Forrester

[@daniel_gallardo808]

GREAT SCOTT! I didn't realize that until you pointed that out.

[@KasumiKenshirou]

Marty's mom directed two episodes in this season and had a cameo in one of them.

[@Goose_BooseYT]

It feels like the show was written by people with the same mentality of those celebrities that sang "imagine". They see all this terrible, horrible stuff happening around the world and think "I know! I'll write a show about it! Then EVERYONE will know!". It's like, this is what children write. "Homelessness bad, bigotry bad." Okay? Is there like - I mean did you do anything about it? "I wrote a show about how bad it is". It's like a self satisfaction thing - like those people who put hashtag "thoughts and prayers" after a shooting.

[@do-nothingbear9474]

Well because to them, this may be the first time they’re hearing about it, so obviously nobody else does, so they’re like “this is really gonna help” Also, if you don’t have a solution, all you really can do is point at it and say “that bad” Don’t get me wrong, it’s egotistical and cringe

[@davyboy9397]

And the irony is that they are part of the elite that contribute to the suppression of others, take advantage of the system they shit on to become rich and are often white males.... Btw, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with being white, I just think it's absurd their hypocrisy

[@ericandreen1470]

People who don’t understand why there’s an immigration process have never lived in shitty neighborhoods and don’t understand there are criminals in the world lol.

[@umjackd]

Art mostly reflects the times they're made in, but calling this art would be a very very long stretch. Art doesn't have to change the world, it usually doesn't, but this is a very very poor reflection of the real issues of our times. If anything, this reflects further on the hubris of the creators so out of touch with reality that... in a way, kind of reflects that modern Hollywood money machine.

[@aw2584]

It's like rich and powerful people pointing at issues being like "do you see this? Someone needs to do something!" To us poor fucks... like bruh you're the one with money and influence To actually influence this, but best you can do is waste your time trying to guilt trip us who have shit to fix it? Huh?

[@anthonyrichards1454]

I like how everyone's ancestor looks exactly like their future equivalent but Guinan who is the exact same person looks completely different

[@MrSnaztastic]

Gotta wonder how expensive Whoopi Goldberg is, or if she's one of the few in the cast still able to smell a turkey when she's in one.

[@GaneshJayaramanTheOne]

Mind blown

[@billtree52]

Yeah like why not have Whoopi!!??

[@lamelama22]

and Guinan looked identical to their 24th century version in 1890, but in 2024 morphed into a different person before morphing back! Maybe she's a time lord... :-/

[@neliz2k]

@President Joe Biden For Whoopi you need to do a lot more than de-aging, it's more akin to replacing Jabba the Hutt on-screen

[@improvwithlions4173]

"You know who has the luxury of patience here?" says the immortal young woman to the very mortal old man

[@deadNightwatchman]

Yeah... I'm not saying you're wrong, because you aren't... but I'm confused: Is Picard an android now or isn't he? His nose was bleeding after Q punched him.

[@MorganFreemansFavoriteFreckle]

@@deadNightwatchman he is an android but within a built-in ticking death clock. So he is very mortal

[@deadNightwatchman]

@@MorganFreemansFavoriteFreckle And the bleeding? Or was that snot?

[@Meretneith]

I think he is supposed to be a Replikant like Synth.

[@robertkelly3186]

They made Picard a fucking ANDROID?!?!?! LOL I'm so glad I haven't watched ANY of this.

[@foehammer5047]

The Riddler and Marty McFly hide their tears and talk about how their childhood is being murdered in front of them. It's like they're Bruce Wayne watching a goon gun down his parents, except the gunman has Alex Kurtzman's dumb face and the gun makes the sound of Wil Whedon's forced laughter when it fires.

[@maybeimortal5697]

Rich looks more like Marty McFly-over state let's be honest.

[@gonzothecat5901]

Top tier comment

[@SaulGoodman3D2049]

Marty McFly and *Dougie Jones

[@foehammer5047]

I can't believe you'd say that about Rich Evans, Internet Celebrity. He is personal friends with Julia Roberts, a lover of Macaulay Culkin, AND appeared on the Ellen DeGeneres show. Who the fuck are you? Marty McFly-Over is pretty good though.

[@huismands]

The Stickler? It's like Stoklasa and Riddler combi... nevermind

[@pyramidschema8668]

Picard Season 2 is like one of those Best of the Worst movies from the 1980's where they start in a fantasy world full of special effects but by a quarter way through they've been "transported to the past" and they spend the rest of the film running around warehouses in downtown Toronto.

[@barnard8139]

This was my favorite thing about that show the 100. Somehow a world ravaged by nuclear winter had 250 year old forests that look just like British Columbia.

[@multi-florum]

@@barnard8139 I've watched every episode of that show.

[@alanpennie8013]

This season shows very evident signs of having one eye on Keeping down costs. Last season did too, to a lesser extent.

[@samtaholo]

So... the first Terminator movie, basically?

[@Zodroo_Tint]

I like when they put a filter on and everything looks redish, pinkish and they find an earth animal and they start asking each other "What is this? What is this?" :)

[@elibalin]

I liked how the script couldn't figure out how to organically reference Gary-7, and pretty much had Picard turn to the audience and read from an episode guide.

[@Noobie2k7]

Makes sense since reading episode guides are the only experience the writers have with Star Trek too.

[@Talon3000]

@@Noobie2k7 I wish they'd done at least that.

[@Vader47000]

Yeah Picard must've become a Kirk fanboy after Generations. He knows all sorts of details about what should probably be classified information in the Department of Temporal Investigations archives.

[@jim405]

There’s a website with an archive of data files… um… Memory Alpha… that’s the one… so tired👨🏻‍🦲😴

[@user-bw8df9fb4o]

It's also hilarious that they referenced that obscure episode, but completely ignored the time travel episode where Guinan meets Picard in the 1800s.

[@BrandonGiordano]

I just can't get over a astronaut crashing over and over again and they're like "dont worry it's 5 days till launch" lmaooooo

[@mithrandiristari8960]

Maybe they already have an AI ready to land, and the simulations are just in case Q shuts down the computer xD because somehow Guinan was able to tell the ship's designers that Q was a possibility, as she could later talk to the Galaxy-class designers to put the canteen exactly at deck 10 forward section xD

[@sparksdrinker5650]

lol and it was actually only 3 days

[@cdb5001]

I'm willing to bet good money that these RLM Picard reviews have a larger audience than the actual show.

[@spillanegottleib1681]

"With Episode 5 [S1] only clocking in 1.309 million, it lost 111,000 viewers. That’s almost a 30% decline in viewership in just 5 episodes. The show is losing on average 108,000 viewers per episode. It has lost 542,000 total since the premiere episode."

[@dmk5n1]

i too do not watch ye show, just RLM reviews....

[@duncanlutz3698]

@@dmk5n1 We let Mike and Rich suffer so we don't have to, as watching their anguish is far more entertaining that this fucking miserable schlock. As they said, it's not even "Star Trek" so much as taking the characters and setting then writing a completely different show with these cheap simulacrums of the characters we know and love.

[@bojcio]

@@dmk5n1 Same!

[@friarpavel2155]

@@spillanegottleib1681 Just wanted to point out that the text your quoting is from an article written in March 2020, so may be out of date.

[@plopolp9818]

Guinan X telling 103 year old Patrick Stewart that someone who looks like him has the luxury of patience was priceless.

[@wrlord]

You mean garbage. Racist crap.

[@ScottyKirk1]

And don't forget trading in his hood for a suit! Haha 😂 Writers, tell me how you REALLY feel about old white males! Pah-thetic.....

[@TheUltimegaMan]

Yes, I’ve been through the Civil War, WW1 and 2, The Red Scare, and probably countless other atrocities, BUT HOMELESS PEOPLE ON THE STREET IS WHERE I DRAW THE LINE!

[@roadbone1941]

ST Picard teaches us: Virtues like patience, integrity, etc, are luxuries only old white men can have. Everyone else is incapable of virtue.

[@takerdust]

Old white man in California: "Damn, i hate old white men".

[@Harpagio]

"Who has the luxury of time? People that look like you, and not like me." says the 29 year old woman to the 81 year old man.

[@rkitchen69]

That whole line didn't make any sense to me. Does she mean because he's white? if so, what does that even mean?

[@Harpagio]

@@rkitchen69 yeah it’s supposed to mean something like “while white people sit back and twiddle their thumbs and do nothing, black people are suffering and dying NOW” but as pointed out, Guinan is an immortal alien that will live for hundreds more years than zombie robot Picard so the statement only makes sense if you completely forget that she’s an alien. I assume the writers completely forgot.

[@Zodroo_Tint]

@@Harpagio They also forgot about the black guy who got away with double murder because he was rich and they probably don't remember the black guy who assaulted someone on the oscar event and got a standing ovation because he was rich. What a world we living, you have to appreciate it. This is the age when we all agree racism is bad. Well actually racism and white people are bad. :)

[@AgnumMD]

This line only kind of makes sense for the actors to be saying to each other, not the characters. And even then, it is still fallacious.

[@snakedogman]

She means, she's Black (capital B) and he's white.

[@IIc]

The cuts to Will Wheaton cause me more physical pain than any of the writing in the series

[@mmjahink]

@@sharpeslass5452 I'd say it's more pathetic than anything.

[@ryline666]

His face is so punch-able, I hope he's had his ass kicked a few times in his pathetic life

[@cataleast]

Poor Wil... I'm sure he was told "You go out there and sell the absolute shit out of this! Fanboy it up like your life depended on it! ENERGY, ENERGY, ENERGY!"

[@CapnSnackbeard]

He got paid. Build it up/sell it out. Just a natural a part of the Hollywood process.

[@ninakore]

@@cataleastI think he’s always been annoying if his twitter is anything to go by

[@RogueAstro85]

Fun fact: Rich Evans is a master at oragami and actually folded the green screen from Space Cop to make Mike's blazer

[@cratonorogen9208]

That’s called a tailor.

[@jonathonrobinson6081]

Oragami?

[@GawdDangitBobby]

@@cratonorogen9208 tailorigami*

[@ezyto]

Fun Fact: Rich Evans is Garak disguised as a human

[@emmy8526]

I’m always amazed Mike (pot) has the nerve to make fun of Rich’s (kettle) clothes.

[@astrosci8864]

"This is what happens when idiots write for Science Fiction." This is the greatest and truest statement that Rich Evans has ever made.....

[@snakedogman]

They're not idiots. They're just not writers, they're political activists. (well ok, they may be idiots too but that's besides the point). Probably half of them are Marxist revolutionaries in one way or another.

[@FarawayTundra]

nah its "AAAAAATTT SSSSSST"

[@David_the_Psalmist]

In the last one, he pretty much summed up everything wrong with New Trek with this: "Who's 7 of 9 gonna shoot to end climate change?"

[@spillanegottleib1681]

In one BOTW he proclaimed: "I fucked up. I fuck everything up." The quote in the original post may have to be relegated to 2nd place.

[@astrosci8864]

@@spillanegottleib1681 Really? That's better than what I quoted? No way!

[@Jumbleman5]

It's so funny that the show tried to make a statement about the immigrant crisis in season 1 with the Romulans, only to turn around and make the exact same statement a second time in the next season except ten times more obvious.

[@press_x_tojason]

They rewatched their own show a year later to prep for this season, and they couldn’t figure out what statement they made.

[@FrostUK]

@@press_x_tojason They'll have to be even more obvious in Season 3.

[@araaraaura1887]

They didn't get 17 awards for the stunning bravery of their first season, so obviously that means their commentary was too subtle and they need to be more up front about it.

[@TubeEamo]

"I know writers who use subtext, they're all cowards."

[@KizaruB]

At this rate, they’re gonna make Season 3 an allegory for Palestine and Covid to check more boxes

[@lennyztrobos8678]

Gainen: "You know who has the luxuary of patience? Someone who looks like you, and not me." Picard: "Im 97 years old"

[@GrumpyNorthman]

It's hilarious watching Wil Wheaton try to decide which facial expression to use.

[@nbadude44]

Q straight up says on the answering machine that they "simply do not care". He just summarized "Star Trek: Picard" right there.

[@MegaZeta]

If _Picard_ has the courage of its convictions about not caring, it will bring back Wesley Crusher, but he'll inexplicably be the actor who played adult Wesley in "Hide and Q". His name is William A. Wallace and he is 68 years old.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Oh god, I would watch Wesley being brought back, and it not be Wheaton.

[@memel0rdxxx696]

I think it's a ploy for the CBS crew to get mike's phone number so they could leak it on the net

[@TerrenceNowicki]

Like Joel and the bots said many years ago, "They just didn't care."

[@reginaldsafety6090]

The reason that Rich calls them "I-C-E" instead of "Ice" is because he is a traveler from another time sent here to watch over us.

[@BlackStripePro]

and to make sure the population isn't killed by AAAAIIIIDDDDSSSS!

[@Flike245]

Is that why he's dressed like Marty McFly?

[@andrewtaylor940]

And here I was thinking he was the Terry Gar wacky receptionist.

[@PatstarDeluxe]

The Just I C E League

[@johnblack8655]

Did Space Cop time travel? For some unknown reason I haven't watched "Space Cop" ever, but it seems like something Space Cop would do, in the movie "Space Cop", starring Rich Evans as Space Cop.

[@DanePavitt]

That origin of the name 10 Forward is stunning. Not only have the writers clearly not watched TNG, it didn't even occur to them to google 10 Forward to find out if there was already a reason for it!

[@Z-GRADT]

It blows my mind to think that the writers are trying to convince us that the bar on the Enterprise was actually named after a bar's address in San Francisco instead of how it was actually named. It's obviously a big mystery to them.

[@shanelynch7757]

@@Z-GRADT It actually kills me, I’m 39 and was a kid when TNG came out, I knew then as a child why 10 forward was called that

[@rahn45]

People enter turbolift and say "Deck 10." Why is 10 forward named that? So mysterious!

[@michaelpalin8953]

Not even google it, there are complete fan-made encyclopedias out there with all the minute details about any slightly popular IP in existence. It has never been this easy to be a hack writer/producer and they still don't even try.

[@saucyduckglobalomnihyperme7510]

​@@michaelpalin8953 You can practically see the writer "researching" Guinan on memory-alpha, reading "Guinan was a bartender who ran -Ten Forward-," briefly think about clicking the link for Ten Forward, and then say "Nah"

[@PretzelsandNutz]

Everyone knows Star Trek is at its best when the characters go back in time to a contemporary period where the writers exist. Works like a charm all the time!

[@alanpennie8013]

It actually did work in DS9. Not in any other iteration though.

[@Karl_vulture]

@@alanpennie8013 Uh the one with the Whales? Some of the best stuff.

[@BlueThe1up]

there are some good time travel star trek episodes but yeah mostly should be avoided dont know why they keep doing it

[@lookoutforchris]

@@BlueThe1up the costumes itch and they want to wear jeans on set.

[@alanpennie8013]

@@Karl_vulture Among my least favourite of the movies.

[@orionslaver432]

"The closest thing that human beings have to time travel is trauma." What a cynical, pessimistic, bleak, pitiable outlook. Just what I want from Star Trek.

[@invoicequaint]

cool quote though

[@GeeVanderplas]

Yeah what about the memories triggered by hearing an old favorite song or revisiting an old place again? But no, everything is misery in the world, these writers decided from their comfortable homes...

[@Michael_ORourke]

This single quote makes me not want to watch season 2. What a miserable person. Imagine Gene Roddenberry saying that.

[@heyitsmikegaming]

Its typical kurtzman, it sounds interesting and smart but entirely shallow and filled with nothing. Like a jelly donut filled with farts

[@agilemind6241]

I mean that's literally the main theme of DS9's pilot.

[@JamestheKilljoy]

Clips of Will Wheaton being a tool never get old.

[@Bilbosilius_Zwackelbaggins]

Of course it doesn't. If a form of torture would get old, it wouldn't be a form of torture.

[@Burnape]

I wonder if he dwells on it at night as he tries to sleep.

[@AcesnEights698]

@@cartoonking1789 Tools serve purposes. What is Wil Reeeeeeeeton's?

[@divadnairbgilbert1087]

@@AcesnEights698 an "enhance interrogation" device

[@aarondavis8943]

Why do all those awful people associated with STP wear the same horn-rimmed glasses? Is it a signal that they are reptilians?

[@demilung]

A 24 year old astronaut with depression, who's failing her simulation a week before her mission to Europa. This is a perfect summary of the level of writing in that show. Forget complex issues and allegories. They take a very real thing that anyone with a passing interest knows about - just how heavily filtered and well prepared the astronauts are, "best of the best" and turn it into a YA novel. ...which may be an insult to some of the better YA novels on my part.

[@Edmures_rampant_manhood]

This is the comment I've been waiting. This chick would never be allowed to fly that mission.

[@nerveagent1905]

@@Edmures_rampant_manhood Right? She'd still be a petty officer or something. Maybe someday, but like, not at 24.

[@Valkyrie9000]

I just want to add that there's probably a half dozen backup astronauts training in tandem with her, each incredibly capable, and NASA would've instantly bumped her if there was literally anything medically wrong with her (as they've done numerous times before irl. Shit, Picard himself gets bumped/replaced in numerous episodes of TNG and everything goes fine). But because the writers and producers are weird inverts, the Picard legacy/heritage/lineage/birthright shit is the most important thing, and it HAS to be her piloting the ship. That's beyond hero worship. It's borderline weird fashy bloodline genetic supremacy shit. Like, the Picard family line is paramount to the survival of the human race for hundreds of years. They are ubermensch.

[@MrJellyton]

@@Valkyrie9000 I'm not saying themes of lineage and bloodlines can't be done in good Star Trek fashion, but it just seems dissonant to humanity's evolution in the Star Trek world. For example, Starfleet is an organization that, not unlike a military, values an individual's merit, hard work, and achievement.Both Wesley's parents are/were officers, yet he will still have to go through tests and training like everyone else. Picard's ancestor being an astronaut that flew this super important mission lessens Picard's achievements, not to mention the dramatic element of him going to Starfleet Academy against the wishes of his family.

[@seamusthatsthedog4819]

@@Valkyrie9000 Jean-Luc Skywalker has the highest midichlorian count in the Alpha Quadrant, didn't you know?

[@aarondavis8943]

Isn't it grand, to be lectured on environmental destruction and economic inequality by people who own private jets and houses bigger than entire apartment blocks? Isn't it grand?! Thank you, Alex Kurtzman, for teaching me about the great moral challenges of our time. You are truly a beacon in the darkness.

[@cyberen]

The entire show is just the writers and producers bitching about stuff they either have to drive by on the way to their mansions or whatever CNN tells them is bad. They killed Trek and consider it a virtue.

[@herrschneider5310]

@@cyberen I strongly doubt this show would be any more watchable with a bit of Fox News sprinkled over it. Bad writing has no politics

[@solanceDarkMOW]

@@herrschneider5310 i'd phrase it as "bad writing doesn't need politics to be bad"

[@herrschneider5310]

@@solanceDarkMOW also true

[@herrschneider5310]

@@solanceDarkMOW my point is, there's nothing wrong with making shows about social issues, or having shows confront social issues that might normally not do so, it just has to be done well. "leftwing politics is the reason this sucks" is just wrong, if you erase everything some people might feel is "woke" - the writing would still be bad.

[@bearlyhardley]

Mike, the writers clearly just googled “obscure Star Trek stuff” and found a BuzzFeed listicle with Gary Seven in it.

[@dabblerdeluxe775]

no they wrote a bunch of comics with gray seven that made him relevant again. I forget the name but you can find them online

[@guillermoelnino]

@@dabblerdeluxe775 both can be true

[@kainedamo]

They can reference Gary Seven but completely miss that Guinan and Picard met back in the 1800s.

[@jamesgoss1860]

34:20 Add "Jackson Roykirk" to that list

[@Oblogonogo]

Man that’s so upsetting and you’re probly 100%

[@jjrambles683]

It's hilarious when I assume they're paraphrasing the terrible dialog from the show and exaggerating, but then a clip plays and it's like word for word just what people talk like in this series.

[@kaldobie5994]

This episode should be called Rich and Mike discover Operation Mockingbird 🤣

[@divadnairbgilbert1087]

it gets me everytime

[@iblame_nargles]

Same here. In this video specifically the part where they say "5 days before launch" made me laugh because that's fucking insane writing and then, mere seconds later, I find out that the show actually said 3 days??? It's very funny and everything but holy shit what happened to creativity

[@whom382]

The "Water Dry" line from Episode 3 needs to go into the bad dialog hall of fame.

[@princejellyfish3945]

@@whom382 that line is Troll 2 level bad

[@mariahm4081]

There's SO many things that are moronic about this show, but the Guinan rewrite really stands out to me personally. I've done volunteer work with various local organizations since I was a young teen and the people working hard everyday to make a difference are so much more grounded and driven than the pseudo-Guinan. Even if they're frustrated by injustices in the community, they remain hopeful for a better future because you need that kind of attitude to dedicate yourself to that kind of work-and they're not even hundreds-year-old aliens! They're not writing effective activists, let alone Star Trek characters who have the wisdom of a more advanced era/society, they're writing people who act like angry Twitter blue checks or angsty college students that we're somehow supposed to root for.

[@BlueThe1up]

these are people who only found out racism is alive in america in 2016 at the earliest what do we honestly expect

[@meatpuppet5036]

@@BlueThe1up No, they're the people who want it to not only be alive, but essentially be the same as it was 100 years ago. No nuance, no progress, whypipo bad. Forever.

[@ivanvidakovic9222]

Mariah M you given more thought to one charachter then they given to entire show...this what happend when writer is puting personal politics and frustration in show instead of just writing a good story...

[@GeorgeMonet]

The current definition of "activist" is an angry Twitter user posting from their parent's mansion telling a homeless man he has more privilege than a rich black man because of his white skin color.

[@ivanvidakovic9222]

@@GeorgeMonet right on spot

[@TheBermudaMan]

I want to see an episode of STAR TREK: PICARD tackling the modern-day problem of incompetent, immature writers being given professional positions in the entertainment industry.

[@charlottecorday8494]

They weren't given positions, they bullied and harassed their way in like all liberals since they can't ever hope to accomplish anything on their own.

[@spillanegottleib1681]

I think you're onto something here. Picard in 2024 is extremely sick and weak (that's a stretch, how is the actor going to portray that), suddenly he gains access to a magical copy of Final Draft screenwriting software, and realizes his condition is because of the shithead ST : P (sticky toilet-paper) writers. Now, whatever he writes about the awful Star Trek : Picard writers with that program comes true in the past. He starts changing their lives, giving them horrible problems in life and motivating them to write better episodes otherwise they are dramatically punished. Every time the writers improve the writing, Picard becomes more powerful and healthy. Mike loves the time-travel pseudoscience garbage (Jack: "Why do you have to insert time-travel into everything???" re: male strippers not in California), here's another variant.

[@woodwyrm]

Hopefully Orwell does, if they haven't already lmao

[@TheBermudaMan]

@@bldontmatter5319 Come on, dude. The show is shitty enough without adding A.A.A. (Angry Aryan Agendas) to the mix.

[@1ynx]

That last Matrix movie almost did that, strangely enough.

[@nyyfandan]

They just die inside more and more with every episode. I love it.

[@JMD501]

Ya this has a real charlie brown, lucy with the football feeling.

[@nyyfandan]

The further I get into the video, the worse it gets. Why is this even a Star Trek show at this point. This show is like a fucking mad lib

[@nunliski]

They are our culture.

[@vimbert]

We keep thinking they can't die any more inside, but then they keep pulling it off

[@patrickmcgever2736]

They're into the acceptance phase of grief. They are now parading around with the corpse in line with the will.

[@jcore0981]

I would love Will Wheaton to come on the show and after they both rip Picard apart he just stares at them with his cold dead eyes and that apathetic smile.

[@arsenelupin9697]

His handlers would never allow this ^^

[@shugaroony]

I actually want to see him back in Picard itself as Wesley. I think that would actually finish off Rich and Mike!

[@RoganGunn]

@@shugaroony I think WHil WHeaton secretly wants this too... A guy's gotta work you know.

[@Lemon_Inspector]

@@shugaroony "finish off Rich and Mike" can have two different meanings, and I'm honestly not entirely sure which one it would be. Perhaps both.

[@shugaroony]

@@Lemon_Inspector Either way it would be fun to watch! I've never watched Star Trek since Enterprise, but I'm riveted to see what ludicrous drivel the writers will come up with next, to infuriate Rich and Mike - and we love it! :D

[@ForsytheGaming]

Also interesting that Picard has never, ever, ever mentioned, nor has any other character who ever interacted with Picard mentioned, having an ancestor who was not just an astronaut, but an insanely important and noteable astronaut... There should have already been 10 different Starfleet ships named U.S.S Picard...

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

Oddly enough, hadn't he specifically mentioned instead that his family was in the Naval forces?

[@T.E.S.S.]

Plus, his nephew (?) whose death was a small plot point in Generations was called Rene. It's like they were aware enough of this to think "oh well we could pretend that the astronaut lady Renee was the inspiration for the future dead kid Rene's name"... and bear in mind that this kid's death nearly finished Jean Luc during that film, but when he hears about lady astronaut Renee, he's like "nuh-uh, never met her" I may be overthinking it, but this sweaty turd of a show could have used some overthinking.

[@nearlydead7510]

all I remember about picards ancestors was in that terrible episode where they need to resettle some native americans who live on a planet in cardassian space and the leader somehow knows that picards ancestor drove their people away from their homes like 600 years ago and tries to hold picard accountable for that. also wasn't the vineyard an old family tradition or something? picard's family seemed to have little to do with space flight, let alone with any technology whatsoever (besides his nephew).

[@mallios13]

@@T.E.S.S. Not only that, but Jean Luc's brother, and thus Rene's dad, was very anti-Starfleet and just pro-winery. Why would the guy who hates space travel and represents that the family was actually just a long lineage of vintners want to name his kid after their GRAND AND GLORIOUS STRONG WOMAN ASTROANAUT ANCESTOR that nobody ever mentioned before now?

[@vernonator1935]

@@nearlydead7510 I don’t think he meant specifically Picard’s family, I just think it was just a blanket statement about race. Picard is French anyway, and the French didn’t really drive out any Native Americans (to my knowledge). Yeah, I think it was mentioned it went back to at least his grandfather. Picard’s dad seemed to be pretty angry about his choice of career, and his brother mocked him about it.

[@PlagueOfGripes]

You know. I almost get the impression that Picard is being used as a platform so that bad writers living in California can make ham-fisted transparent commentary towards their modern day political enemies while using actors who believe similar things and honestly have no reverence for the IP they're working with because they've moved past that era in their lives and are now using it mainly to reclaim a sense of their personal identities without contributing forward to the good faith that goes hand-in-hand with furthering the ambitions of both the original creators and future creators in ensuring the messaging and spirit of the brand remains on point. Almost, you know. Could be anything.

[@karlhungusjr1]

well bless your heart...you tried.

[@f4rhodesia273]

Oh snap. My favorite Dragon Ball channel

[@saltyleaf6002]

Holy run on sentence batman. The way you use punctuation is alien.

[@geofster999]

Dude i think you cracked the code. The entire time i have been watching this the only question i have had on my mind has been "Who is this for?" and that would explain it.

[@thedumbdog1964]

That’s a really good long sentence

[@Mausso]

I like how in the logic of this show, being deported by ICE would cause Rios to be lost forever. Wouldn't he just be in another country? Wouldn't he just find a way to establish communication with the ship once he was out of ICE's custody? Couldn't they just scan for his "vaccination chips", detect a temporal anomaly and find him REALLY easily? Politics, ethics, social commentary, and ham-fisted political analogies aside, there is NO reason why Seven of Nine and Rafe should react this way. From their perspective, this is essentially like Rios getting on the wrong bus.

[@Gaspard129]

The way they treated it, you'd think ICE was going to execute him in a mass grave in the desert or something. And considering the ham-fisted nature of their attempts at political allegory, this insinuation may have been deliberate.

[@BlueThe1up]

i think the writers dont care about how to someone living in the 25th century earth is a very small place i think it could have been a moderately cool political point if they brought up that rios has no real stake in this but that the other people being deported *are* in danger of homlessness, crime, etc and so he has to convince the others why its important to help these people instead of just lazily creating a conflict where there is none but rios is latino so he gets captured by ice and guinan is a black woman so she lectures picard about race

[@BlueThe1up]

i dont know why we should trust these writers with existing characters when they cant keep track of their own

[@alanpennie8013]

@@BlueThe1up Yes. The Rios arc had potential (it had "City on The Edge of Forever" vibes) but they didn't do anything with it since it was mainly there to give Rios something to do. Maybe there'll be some sort of resolution in the second half of the show.

[@Thanatos2k]

I'm not sure the writers understand that there are real people who live in Mexico and it's not just a giant sarlaac pit when you cross the border.

[@_Ciaran_Maher]

I love shows where the characters are just props and mouthpieces for a writers political opinions. Especially when they're someone else's characters that were originally created with intelligence and vision. The care and respect is palpable. It's my favourite part of Picard.

[@peeledapples4176]

You know Start Trek has always been political right? Like, Gene Rodenberry very openly used Star Trek to espouse his liberal politics? He would openly chastise his writers for including messages he disagreed with, such as one writer making a reference to marriage, something Rodenberry viewed as part of Earth's regressive, religious past. All these people complaining about Picard being "political" blatantly knew nothing about Star Trek to begin with.

[@_Ciaran_Maher]

@@peeledapples4176 You're right, but TNG was more than just a vehicle used to ham-fistedly deliver a particular message. It was subtle (most of the time), had nuance and managed to creating interesting narratives out of the issues it discussed. It didn't just go 'this thing is bad' for 40 minutes and then move onto the next episode. The problem isn't that it's political, it's with how it's written.

[@KizaruB]

@@peeledapples4176 Star Trek wasn’t usually this blunt about it. They’d often integrate the issue in a fictional, less cynical way into the time period of the show more cleverly. They wouldn’t directly criticize the real world with their observations usually, instead using a fictional and sci-fi situation to embody the issue. Literally time travelling back to near present day and cynically having the characters criticized the faults of modern society while there is extremely on the nose and has no subtlety. It’s also simply not entertaining sci-fi.

[@peppermintpig974]

@@KizaruB Exactly. We need a show where people time travel to the past and obsess about the occupants of that time, criticize them, and then flaunt how shitty they are for not having what we have now. XD

[@MattPerrette87]

@@peeledapples4176 Sure, but it was never THIS preachy and transparent. Plus modern left politics are so amazingly regressive that it’s become beyond parody at this point.

[@thatsthething778]

That comment about how Dax and Bashir would have approached that scenario exemplifies such a deep understanding of Trek

[@innocentsmith6091]

Picard's reaction should've been more like, "In my timeline, the Earth was a nuclear wasteland ruled by genetically engineered warlords, so this honestly doesn't seem that bad."

[@matthewleonmartin]

"Look, they still have Chipotle."

[@pach6678]

Yeah but facts aren't even facts anymore!!!

[@kla4600]

And that fact was the central to the very first STNG episode. With Q. But no, we need a weird lecture about how terrible the US is for having (really, any) immigration laws.

[@harizotoh7]

The series goes back and forth whether the Eugenics wars happened or not. It's all vague and the writers forgot.

[@mechadeka]

@@kla4600 It's only bad when America does it.

[@dwaynezilla]

_"Depression in a human can be debilitating"_ Pretty sure the viewers figured this out first-hand by enduring the 3 episodes before this

[@Roland_Butter]

Indeed, I cured it by stopping watching it after episode 3. Enjoying the reviews much more ; )

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

I couldn't make it through the beginning of Picard and I'm not ready to lose Next Generation yet, so this is a half-way house from despair for me.

[@RecklessFables]

Wil Wheaton has become the king of just riding his meds through fake emotions. He's talked a lot about depression and now I can't unsee it.

[@punishedbearzerker5400]

If I was Wil Wheaton, I'd be depressed too.

[@philn.4692]

It's emotionally painful to watch him.

[@greggstrasser5791]

He's so brave to tell us he's depressed. I tell people I'm depressed and they tell me stuff like "well, don't kill yourself."

[@mistere5857]

He's also extremely left wing. It's funny how those seem to correlate.

[@andrewtaylor940]

Wheaton seems to be an infectious carrier of clinical depression. He not only suffers it. He spreads it in his wake.

[@WorldsCoolestPerson]

“In case you haven’t noticed, Guinan, I’m an old, very much mortal man who has had quite enough of being lectured with platitudes and blamed for actions that I haven’t the slightest control over, so please do us both a favor and make a decision as to whether you care to actually help and let’s get on with it.”

[@ErmIDK19]

she's suicidally depressed but sure let her lead a multi year space mission to Europa , that'll cheer her up . I mean what harm will it do

[@paulrockatansky77]

Apparently, NASA doesn't even have substitute pilots for the space flight, like any crewed mission would typically have. It's like they have this one person, and if she's not up to it, then the entire expedition is doomed to fail. It's as if their space program wouldn't allow for more candidates for some reason. Anyone with serious mental issues like this Picard lady would be automatically disqualified, so as not to endanger herself, other crew members, and the mission in general. Instead, she's allowed to down shots like a seasoned drunk just a few days prior to launch. The show runners aren't just bad at writing. They expose their utter stupidity with every episode.

[@wernerecker1366]

it looks like at least inclusivity made a few steps forward in this time

[@TheRaviotar]

Yeah it's absurd. As Louis CK said in his review of Gravity - there's no such thing as a reluctant astronaut.

[@BeerdyBruceLeeCentral]

It finally happened, Mike has turned into a living greenscreen.

[@ethsofresh]

Haha it’s amazing seeing a comment from your channel.

[@Nightwing-bh2tn]

He's dressing like the Riddler

[@314APAR]

I think Jay wore it first for their Twin Peaks return segment.

[@gustavomarques9909]

Part time

[@TerrenceNowicki]

Mikebius the Living Greenscreen

[@bubblewrapmonster8801]

At this point 90% of the people watching Picard are just doing so to better understand what Mike and Rich are complaining about each week (the remaining 10% are bots)

[@iHusk]

Guess I’m a Bot 🤣

[@Ian.420]

Guess my parents are bots. Makes sense. I think they just watch it because they're horribly boring people with no taste tho not because they're COMPLETELY braindead. Yet.

[@ZeroB4NG]

saw a bot on another video today who wrote "I'm a real tracking" ... youtube account was created like 3 days ago. The Bots are real and they are out there. Kurtzman must be desperate for those social media impression statistics.

[@JinKsed17]

Star Trek Picard showcasing depression with pseudo drama - meanwhile Deep Space Nine with the "it's not linear" episode ends up showing real depression without even mentioning it once. Depressed people live in auto pilot mode, they don't really plan for the future and they're always stuck inside moments in their own head. And at the end of that episode you're presented with a great catharsis were they main character finds a way to accept the trauma and move on, putting his efforts into helping others and finding meaning in life.

[@group2gaming]

Nobody ever talks about how good the editing is in these videos. The awkward intercutting of interviews says so much about the bloated consumerist blob that so many IPs like star trek have become, more eloquently than words can allow. Also most people take it for granted but putting in clips of what Mike and Rich are talking about helps so much with context. Most youtubers can never seem to figure that out but these guys have been doing it forever

[@johnblack8655]

Agreed. You, sir, have earned some pizza rolls.

[@LawkzBro]

@@johnblack8655 I've been waiting for mine since 1997.

[@Corbomite_Meatballs]

@@LawkzBro Just wait, the interest on those pizza rolls from '97 alone will get you more...pizza rolls.

[@johnblack8655]

@@LawkzBro Plinkett's probably been busy. That cat doesn't milk itself.

[@Cynosure342]

True, I think editing is one of those skills where if it's done well, you don't notice it, even though it greatly enhances the viewing experience, making it seamless. People will otherwise only comment to point out glaring mistakes hence the silence. I agree though, RLM does deserve praise.

[@TheJolle]

This is the best way to experience modern Star Trek, through Red Letter Media. This way my view of the good Trek will not be destroyed

[@jogymogy3691]

The sad thing for me is the pure waste of potential... Today you can do so much more in modern tv showes. And they make nothing out of it.

[@optiodecimus2690]

Yep. Its strangely addictive to see passionate fans of the old shows slowly die inside whilst cringing at every poorly planned plot point, character motivation and inconsistency. They do give it credit when its earned, they offer detailed alternative paths that the story could take which are often far more interesting and accurate to the 40+ years of lore already established than the people actually being paid to write the show seem to be ignorant of and they always explain their opinions well and with good humour.

[@TheEducator89]

Fully agree. I feel I've watched the show, know the plot, bit I've saved an hour of my life and had more fun consuming it via RLM.

[@fiddledotgoth]

@@TheEducator89 Could this have been their cunning plan all along? To groom RLM for their part in the new world order...?

[@finlay9616]

I'm so glad how often I see this view, let's me know there is SO many people that think like me 😂

[@JDelwynn]

Picard makes modern Doctor Who look like a subtle masterpiece.

[@vanillajack5925]

Lol I'll never forget the Rosa Parks episode of Dr. Who 😅

[@dimdongo]

Quick make a pointless 5 hour video about it

[@KizaruB]

Sad because Doctor Who was the show my whole family used to assemble to watch

[@whom382]

@@dimdongo That 5 hour video was more entertaining than the 2 seasons of Doctor Who it covered though.

[@Lemon_Inspector]

​@@idrathergetaidsthangetwoke9145 Look up "The Fall of Doctor Who". It's a great video everyone can find a reason to hate. I recommend

[@ramonster163]

This emphasizes perfectly that new Trek is not Star Trek. Star Trek always had a positive message when in the end referencing the past. Something along the lines of "But eventually humanity learned etc etc, and now the world is a better place". The Bell riots episode is a good example of that. This inspires hope. This is just like "Look at all of this crap that's wrong with the world". Yes, I have eyes. I live on this planet, and I have access to the internet. Where is the hopeful message? This is just being the so many-eth piece of "entertainment" that just shows everything as a dystopian hellhole, and that we'd all probably be better off jumping off a bridge. Modern entertainment inspires nothing other than corporate greed.

[@EyeoftheU]

I think its down to Kurtzman and his ilk being well-off Gen Xers who are so completely full of themselves and irony-poisoned that they are functionally incapable of imaging a better world and writing something with a sincere message.

[@Dongulator]

Story ain't over yet though

[@kinagrill]

It's Kelvinverse. lenseflares, overly-advanced tech where it dun make sense, total removal of the star trek feel in aexchange for evil romulan future-miningvessel, Cameos and 'evil humanity is evil'. It's wearing a skinsuit of Star Trek, but isn't Star Trek itself. Like the new Halo TV show is just skinpuppet suits worn to resemble the franchise.

[@mallios13]

@@kinagrill There's no "overly-advanced" tech in any of the post-Kelvin shows. It's actually a lot of regressive tech. Being advanced ultimately means being functional and convenient. Just all the see-through monitors, handheld devices and holo projections we keep getting are the opposite of innovation. Because the moment someone realizes that adding an opaque background to all that, that's innovation. So apparently in the future, we forget that having a solid background to our interactive devices is an ultimate necessity, and we'll have to eventually relearn that fact. The Rule of Cool is regression, not advanced. Most of the time, it isn't even cool. Ironically, all the black background tech we saw in TNG, DS9 and VOY would be a proper expression of advancement, because it allows for proper contrast to make all the interactive components stand out, while also putting less eye strain on the user. What's more, if all the pop-up hologram tech we've been getting were to actually project a solid black background, that would be advanced, because it would compel us to figure out how you could project dark black into the air via holograms, aka lights.

[@xStarblazer]

But my problem is also with the fact that it suggests the problem(s) are entirely a western one, and that to solve these issues we just need to do the exact opposite and it’s that simple. We’re the ones holding everyone back and nothing bad can come of doing the opposite to what we’re doing. What I mean is say implying borders are bad, so “free immigration for all” will solve the issue, and lead to an eventual utopia. Because that’s a very 13 year old way of thinking of things, and it just seems wildly misguided to me. Basically the whole thing lacks nuance and the issues exhibited in the show comes from a very surface level, one angle viewpoint.

[@BeerdyBruceLeeCentral]

Renée Picard was born in 1996 (her ID says so) so in the year 2024 she would be 28 years old, not 24. Oh, and I also noticed another thing, according to her passport she was born on November 22nd, 1996, while according to the security check ID she was born on July 1st, 1996.

[@PHAToregon]

Sounds about right

[@meatpuppet5036]

This is not a detail-oriented production on any level. Inconsistency is not a concern to them.

[@warwargr3654]

What surprises me more is that, as far as I am aware, there has been no mention of the Eugenics war, something that ended in 1996, the same year she was born. Wasn't even brought up during Soongs meeting etc.

[@lookoutforchris]

Is this 2024 crap all about Trump? Will he be the new Borg queen?

[@Heto75]

@@meatpuppet5036 Then they should not be in this line of work considering how anal they are about details. Bunch of jokers.

[@10pMiami]

I said it last time, but I'll say it again. Watching you guys talk about this show is cathartic. Because Star Trek, specifically TNG, really means the world to me. It's a show that defined my parts of my childhood, and more importantly when watching it again as an adult it changed my worldview. On top of that, it allowed me to forge a deep connection with my late best friend who got into the show heavily, and then died suddenly. And then watching ST Picard, they just DESTROYED the idea of the world of TNG. It's an absolute abomination. Watching season 1 of picard made me so viscerally upset. I cannot describe it. My girlfriend, who doesn't watch Star Trek, just could not understand why a show would make me so mad. And i've tried explaining to her it's because they took a 30 year old legacy of the greatest TV show ever, a show that helped me define who I want to be, and the characters I idolized, and writing that I thought was the most brilliant example of what television can do, they took all of that, and burned it alive. I will never forgive Alex Kurtzman or CBS for what they've done with Picard. I could have forgiven Discovery; it was a terrible show but at least they could have made it it's own entity. But Picard? No, you took something that i consider to be absolutely sacrosanct, and you essentially urinated all over it's grave.

[@thubtumbing4]

I understand you completely friend.

[@somethingwitty3647]

I'm right there with you. Discovery is just as bad in very similar ways (also more crying), but at least there they are just screwing around and destroying canon and the Star Trek universe (ugh.. "just," that's where we're at). But Picard is taking the Captain, MY Captain, and obviously your Captain as well, and turning him into something he's not, and turning on its head everything that he and that show stood for. It's sickening and makes me physically upset.

[@stevemiller1626]

I’ve had to compartmentalize it and tell myself it’s just a show. But it’s made me realize how important TNG was to me as well. This is akin to the Southpark episode where they violated Indiana Jones but much much worse.

[@stevemiller1626]

You mentioned pissing- that’s literally what they’re doing, but they’re marking their territory. Telling the “boomers and gen x” that “this is OUR show now and we’re going to put OIR message in it!!” When ST had messages of equality and being the best that we can be Al throughout the series from the beginning.

[@simoncobian2816]

I feel you I grew up on TOS and still love it to this day. It’s sad they keep going down the line and muck up the various shows I hope they stop before DS9

[@Wraiths_and_Wreckage]

I love how Mike slipped and fell into an interesting sci fi story about the Borg Queen tapping into social media and just sort of nudging it into the full blown controlling monster it could become.

[@HI-hr5up]

That would be a helluva two parter in an episodic version of modern Star Trek that isn't total dogshit.

[@couchpotato3197]

"Could become" I have some bad news...

[@rdubayoo]

You mean social media isn't a hive mind already?

[@kaiserjoe2316]

I just love how Mike can ad-lib a far better thought out concept in minutes than what an army of executives producers and writers come up with in a year.

[@alext5497]

So she does nothing?

[@thesoundofonemanlaughing]

Mr. Wheaton's performance in these interviews is going to settle any arguments about his acting talent.

[@Nemcoification]

He's really dialling up the fake enthusiasm. He's either crazy or he needs to go see a doctor pretty soon.

[@braveintofuture]

In my head canon Shil Wheaton is an android version of Whil after the latter one was killed by Sheldon

[@Davesoft]

Agreed. He's been a puppet for years, now his strings are clearly visible.

[@wephilips6651]

I can’t believe that one of the execs didn’t see Wheaton on this and say jfc I know we are paying you to shill but can you turn it down a notch? You’re coming across as unhinged

[@Jgt612]

I remember Guinan as a sagely character, the kind of wise person who always knew how to bring out the best in someone: showing Lal the social aspects of humanity, giving Geordi pointers on talking to women or the stand out example, letting Picard know that Data’s trial has a lot more significance than anyone realises - the disposable people speech is a top 5 TNG moment for me personally. There was a warmth to the way she would advise people, so this interpretation of her character as a brow beaten activist who just states things like “it’s all terrible and the bad people won’t fix it” feels wrong.

[@TakeMeOffYourMailingList]

You forget: nobody involved with writing and/or acting in this show has actually _seen_ TNG, and I include the people who starred in it.

[@vengeance1701]

And someone that bothers Q.

[@BlueThe1up]

the only reason shes even in the show is to get nostalgia dollars the show would functionally not change at all if instead of guinan it was just some lady at some bar but "guinans here and shes got a new actress" writes a couple headlines

[@quarterburnt]

Guinean in TNG: Mysterious bartender that listens and gives good advice Guinan with 25 years of bad writing since: She owns a bar on a planet she no longer likes, has weird aging powers, failed to get to Nexus heaven, and eventually went back to the same bar on earth.

[@andrewtaylor940]

For what it’s worth, Neal Armstrong did crash the simulator 3 days before launch. But he did it deliberately, because he wanted to test and see how the people at mission control would react in an emergency. Now here’s a fun exercise. Count up how many people Picard and his merry band of murdering psychopaths kill just in the opening scene of episode 3.

[@KizaruB]

Sometimes you learn more from failure 😉

[@Horatio787]

@@KizaruB A test rocket exploding on liftoff is not a failure. It is an experiment rich in data.

[@topgun2580]

The LLRV crash was definitely not done purposefully. Armstrong nearly died as a result of it, and only survived due to his practically preternatural powers of perception and reflexes. You can see the abort video on KZbin, had he bailed even half a second later he would have been killed.

[@neatodd]

*Neil*

[@andrewtaylor940]

@@topgun2580 No not the bedstead. He crashed the LEM simulator HARD. Punched the camera straight through the plaster. He wanted to see how the controllers would react if he went off script.

[@sizablekoala6879]

That whole talk about "trauma being the closest to time travel" I found so cynical, and that's one of the creator's view on life, it's no wonder the show is so depressingly miserable.

[@Cuthalu]

It was drama I think. Either way, that's literally the last thing a scifi writer should feel or think. The closest aspect of humanity to time travel is imagination - constructing something that doesn't or didn't exist, but maybe could or should.

[@voltijuice8576]

Dadgum it - sounded so based when that guy at the writer's workshop said it!

[@rollingslothmachine3431]

Although I agree that this kind of thinking is not fitting for a sci-fi show, let alone Star Trek, there are actual phenomena in human behavior that let people feel or act like they traveled back into a past version of their life. These are generally connected to trauma, like addiction memory or PTSD.

[@KizaruB]

If you’ve seen the stuff that guy Goldsman has been attached to in the past, that kind of tone deaf take isn’t surprising for him.

[@sizablekoala6879]

@@rollingslothmachine3431 True, but the same can be said for positive emotions. A certain smell can take you back to a happy memory in your life. The way he specifies trauma makes him sound like he has a really negative view on life.

[@KingOfMadCows]

When I watched the ICE stuff, I'm immediately reminded of the DS9 two-parter "Past Tense." That was a very preachy and pretty heavy handed episode about poverty and homelessness. But it was good because it took time to show different aspects of 2024 society. They didn't just go, "sanctuary districts are bad, everyone who works there is an evil assholes who is cruel and intentionally want to make people suffer." They showed you the perspective of people who were working to maintain the system. They could have easily written those characters as asshole villains. But the show humanized them, showed you different perspectives and the paths that leads to apathy. One guard was already jaded and thought of the Sanctuaries as necessary to keep what he saw as criminals and lazy bums away from the rest of society. One guard was the everyman who was just trying to support his family, keeping his head down, trying to stay out of trouble. And a clerk was the idealist who had been beaten down by the reality of the situation, she wanted to do good, but just got stuck into a routine by the system. The episodes showed you these different perspectives and they showed how things can change for the better. The grizzled guard finally saw the horrors an unjust system could bring. The everyman guard realized that he can't just stay on the sidelines and that his inaction was hurting others. And the idealistic clerk had her idealism reawakened.

[@MyMusicSosa]

Is this the cop version of: Americans will invade your country, genocide your people and then make movies about how sad it made the soldiers feel? Americans will destroy your countries economy and climate, force you to flee then imprision or exploit you, then make shows about how sad that makes them feel

[@Xx2177CookxX]

Cope

[@johngalvano5895]

the way the show did it was cringey but ICE and border patrol really are out of control and the people who go into those jobs and stay are not just fatigued and apathetic but ultimately well-meaning bureaucrats

[@Xx2177CookxX]

@@johngalvano5895 bruh border control is hampered every step of the way because mass immigration is good news for the people running this shithole of a country.

[@umungus518]

@@johngalvano5895 what evidence do you have that border control is out of control and doing anything like what the show portrayed them doing? Please please please don't tell me about the images of them "whipping" people which was a huge lie. You understand how overwhelmed our southern border is right? And how understaffed border control is for the volume theyre dealing with. Another thing is the show completely ignores is the negative impact of illegal immigration while painting the border control and ice as evil villains.

[@DeSinc]

is rich actually aware that you edit in a fart noise every time he moves in his seat or clenches his eyes

[@reginaldsafety6090]

Edit?

[@aaron_manna]

Whoa it’s Tom cruise

[@hermannabt8361]

I don’t think Rich watches the show.

[@Boonehams]

Gotta do something now that Rich isn't mispronouncing words as frequently as he used to.

[@tprime2702]

@@Byrvurra Exactly. They put this one out in a such a rush, they didn't bother with their normal level of editing. It also explains why Mike is still in his Green St. Patrick's day binge drinking blazer. Rich literally pulled him from the 'Walk Her In, Drag Her Out" bar.

[@buckweevil]

Wheaton interacting with Stewart is hilarious. It's like the Nerdist cheerleading for a pile of dry leaves.

[@DingbatToast]

I like how 7of9 instantly learned to drive by simply getting angry and annoyed.

[@alanpennie8013]

She scared the cop car into obedience.

[@wdcain1]

Don't forget that Raffi was able to solve a complex computer program... by getting stinking drunk and reprogramming it while sloshed. This wasn't played for laughs either but to showcase her brilliance in season one.

[@Audifaram]

to be honest, automatic cars are pretty foolproof once you get, wich of two pedals does what.

[@zetterburger]

I love when Mike talks down to the writers like the inept children that they are.

[@Gemithin]

Please don't stop making these videos. Watching the destruction of your love is entertaining!

[@JK-wx3il]

It's a slow car crash I can't look away from. :)

[@dannysullivan12345]

I love these videos

[@gibberconfirm425]

Remember when everyone in 2013 said "even if new Star Wars sucks, we'll watch the Mr. Plinkett reviews" you are in that dystopian future.

[@archlich4489]

They are the epitome of devoted fans who will not go gentle into that good night!

[@HangYuriYangFX]

Mfers…

[@JordanOrlando]

Actually Armstrong DID crash the LM simulator onto the lunar surface in the week right before the Apollo 11 launch…but he did it deliberately, in order to test a subsystem, and he made clear in the debriefing afterwards that he simply didn’t trust the way the simulator was programmed (meaning, he believed that the same maneuver done for real would not have ended in a crash). During the landing itself he was supernaturally calm and competent (successfully dealing with the legendary 1202 error, twice).

[@rodscarbrough2337]

I don't know anything about the requirements on how to be an astronaut BUT if someone has depression as this ancestor of picard is supposed to have how did she even make it through the program to be accepted? And didn't capt picard state HE was the only picard to go into space?. or did no one watch star trek nemesis ? I'll assume no one who wrote this show bothered watching any episodes or movies.

[@thekeyandthegate4093]

Tsk tsk, you can't show that on television. That's actually an example of self confidence and extreme competence, and that's just not relatable enough. Gotta make sure he's an absolute failure at everything and a neurotic mess of undeveloped emotional intelligence. How else will our audience know to like him?

[@Dhips.]

They also don't panic. The Apollo 13 movie had them freaking out and yelling for drama, but in real life they were clam and professional, they didn't have time to panic. I'm sure inside they were very scared, but they're trained to handle high stress.

[@KarlBunker]

Also, wasn't the LEM down to a few seconds worth of fuel when Armstrong finally chose to touch down? After "The Eagle has landed," I remember Houston saying something like "Roger Eagle, you've got a bunch of guys about to turn blue here. We're breathing again."

[@MrSnaztastic]

@@rodscarbrough2337 He was the first to leave the solar system, Picard's ancestors founded the martian colonies.

[@AllTimeScary]

I have never watched a single Star Trek thing in my life but I've watched my favorite internet people talk about every single episode. I feel like I'm an expert at this point so maybe I'm qualified to write for Picard.

[@O1OO1O1]

We're sorry, we feel you're overqualified for the role. (I'll also pretend you didn't say you've never watched an episode, while you go watch an episode.)

[@billc5433]

@@O1OO1O1 But watching an episode would mean they have to get a Paramount + subscription.

[@BT-su1yf]

Just fart into a jar and then inhale deeply from said jar. You’ll be in the perfect mindset to write for Picard.

[@Maladjester]

The fact that you said maybe means you've got too much self-awareness to do the job.

[@O1OO1O1]

@@billc5433 I have zero Paramount+ subscriptions and can watch various episodes of Star Trek, from several seasons. Legally.

[@BarbecuedJumboShrimp]

This whole series has been traumatic for me. It is like seeing a person you loved for the first time in ages, then they start to mumble incomprehensibly and shit their pants.

[@sussexbytheseapodcast]

Popped me 😂😂😂😂👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@mitchellhodgemeyer1950]

The reason Soji was modelled after that particular individual was because it’s the only ancestor that - due to genetic mutation - doesn’t look like Brent Spiner.

[@janus3555]

Let's be honest, Data doesn't look like Data in Picard. The nice thing about deepfakes is it's better but also cheaper than CGI. In Picard, they instead went the prosthetics and makeup route because they are operating on a similar budget as Neil Breen. Which explains Picard's writers.

[@the81kid]

All of Data's ancestors look like Data or Brent Spiner. More inbreeding than the Habsburg royal family in Spain. That's why the last of the Soong's had to design Data: Noonian Soong was literally sterile at that point!

[@David_randomnumber]

To be fair, there was a bunch of other Data clones in season 1 so there might be a gigantic coincidence happening in 2024. Sung is a geneticist so it is not far off to assume he cloned himself over and over again while all the other Data clones were his children over the generations.

[@thomaswedge42]

I get the impression that all male Soong's look like Bret Spiner and all females look like Isa Briones because Adam Soong and Arik Soong (from Enterprise) are geneticists. It might be the case that all Soong's up until Noonian Soong are clones and that Noonian programmed Data with the knowledge of the male and female clones explaining why he painted his 'daughter'.

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

I'm not going to judge them using Brent Spiner for Soong ancestors or relatives because they've done that since back when Trek was still pretty good. It was initially done on TNG just to give Brent Spiner something to do, acting-wise, since he felt a bit restricted by the role of Data, and then they did the "Soong ancestor is also Brent Spiner" thing on Enterprise as well. It makes for a good cinematic shorthand even if it's a bit ridiculous. The audience immediately understands that these are relatives to the character from the other timeline - same thing happens in back to the future part 3 when they head into the wild west and you meet Western Lorraine and Western Biff Tannen.

[@DrEnginerd1]

Oh god that “someone who looks like you” line made my eyes roll so hard they almost fell out of my head

[@jerome1lm]

Didn't the US just recently have a black president for like eight years?

[@temite80]

Disgusting and deranged isn't it?

[@LN997-i8x]

@@jerome1lm Never mind the fact Guinan is an _alien_ with a lifespan of at least a thousand years.

[@pt29999]

@@LN997-i8x and she was on Earth in the 1800's, but no, in 2024 now she is upset by racial issues, not in the 1800's or 1900's when they actually existed...

[@jerome1lm]

@@LN997-i8x Exactly

[@stephenshelton4267]

Lemme see if I understand Guinan. She met Picard on Earth in the 1800s when Data lost his head. She did unknown things for about 150 years, then by 2024 she owns a bar in LA and has either never met Picard or forgotten him. Then, at some point, she leaves the bar to return to her Delta Quadrant homeworld on a trip that should take decades to a century or more depending upon which part of the quadrant she's heading and how fast her 21st-23rd century ship is. Her time on her homeworld is cut short when it is attacked by the Borg. She then enters the Nexus ribbon only to be freed, kinda, by the Enterprise B. Now back safe in the Alpha quadrant, she keeps silent about the borg threat, but meets up with the designers of the Galaxy-class ships and recommends that the front facing rooms on Deck 10 be called 10 Forward because it is the name of her bar. She then applies for a bartending job on the Enterprise D and then returns to LA once that ship is destroyed, but does visit the Enterprise E for Troi and Rikers wedding. That is one messed yp story.

[@mmjahink]

Reading that fucked my head up more than getting high ever could. Say no to drugs but especially say no to Picard!

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything as fake as Will Wheaton sitting there talking to Patrick Stewart and smiling holy Christ lol.

[@JellothePallascat]

How the hope of his eyes turned into the eyes of a salesmen

[@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond]

And that cameo in the finale. It's like he's completely forgotten how to act. He used to be a pretty decent actor. What the hell happened?

[@dyveira]

I'm surprised the "writers" of this show can still write. You would think they'd broken their arms patting themselves on the back so much.

[@eldenringer6466]

more like broken wrists from all the mental masturba....

[@DesertDmitri]

Nice..

[@RisqueBrusque]

pwnt

[@Kaweebo]

They have interns to write for them so they can spend more time patting themselves on the back.

[@roadbone1941]

The writers are post modern nihilists, who lived in luxury. Their personalities are to fake/shallow to write something good.

[@polarwear]

Warms my heart that the events of Picard fall under the “non-canon” section of Gary Seven’s Wikipedia page.

[@parissmith5727]

That is legitimately hilarious.

[@AlexisofTocqueville]

I have a theory why Rich likes the Borg Queen: because she's the only character on the show who seems like a Star Trek character. Due to writing and/or performance from the actress, she's the only character who feels like a character from a classic Star Trek series

[@captainbitches5093]

@@user-qp4ij4yl8y so is picard and yet he doesn't feel like a star trek character.

[@andrewtaylor940]

She’s the only character in the show that is not a psychopath!

[@mummra4ever]

@Dr_Doctor Massively disagree with that. Like Rich said in the last Re:View Q is too serious and not acting like he's having fun. Also they seem to have thrown away his character development from TNG where he learnt a lesson about being human and becoming a teacher and guide for humanity and just made him into a straight up villain in this. Only John Delancie's acting is good but I don't like what it's in service of if it means undermining what came before with his character. I honestly would rather watch Q trying to seduce Captain Janeway than watch him in this show.

[@sloaneglover1026]

At sufficient levels, incompetence is indistinguishable from malice. That's my review of Picard.

[@CoffeeMugTwentyFive]

Wait a minute, doesn't Guinan have the ability to recognize a changing timeline? Like in "Yesterday's Enterprise"! Regardless of any timeline, Guinan is still Guinan.

[@FrostUK]

Spot on! Unlike the writers of the show...

[@carlf.2776]

Remember to use Mike and Rich's metric for whether the writers know something about Star Trek. Would Jay Bauman know that Guinan has extrasensory perceptions about the timelines?

[@sockonafish]

The writers use Memory Alpha to mine for member berries. That's it. That character detail on her ability to recognize timeline changes is 75% of the way down her Memory Alpha entry. They're not going to read that far.

[@andrewtaylor940]

If the Timeline from Times Arrow forward had changed, Guinan would have looked at Picard as soon as he walked up and simply said “I know you, I remember you, but I’m not sure why, something is not right”. Y’know just like with Tasha Yar in Yesterday’s Enterprise.

[@matthewbowen5841]

Should we also mention the "Generations" timeline awareness she displayed?

[@Johnny-rx4hs]

Even if this show's Guinan was somehow part of a different timeline, she would still recognize Picard because of her species' sixth sense about temporal matters. Like in "Yesterday's Enterprise" Guinan knew that the timeline had been changed.

[@Amitlu]

I mean timetravel can be explained in a paradoxical way so that 'since Picard of the Confederation never went back in time, Guinan would not have met him at all' But yeah she should still have the temporal awareness that something was wrong. Nevermind the fact that Kirk apparently still went back in time to save the whales in the CONFEDERATION timeline.

[@roneherushin4638]

You assume the writers 1. Cared about that fact or 2. Even know about that. My money is on 2.

[@TerrenceNowicki]

The writers of this show: "Yesterday's Enterprise? What's that?"

[@RudiRaichura]

@@TerrenceNowicki well, they knew it was an episode title so they used it inappropriately earlier in Ep.2 by Q. Such a hamfisted wrong insertion there.

[@OneRedKraken]

LOL, I just rewatched that episode last night and thought about this very thing.

[@chimingito]

Imagine taking a sci fi show set in the distant future and going, what if we set it in present day and just whine about how bad the current year is and how dirty LA is.

[@MichaelPohoreski]

_But that would take work!_ /s

[@youtubeaccount697]

One big bottle show

[@Botzorz]

They are not complaining they are celebrating. They love poverty for others, they love misery. The ideals of star trek were totally against this inclination, so they bought it up and remade it to suit their own vision.

[@rhettorical]

It's like a movie you'd see on Best of the Worst. Start the film off with some futuristic stuff, then spend the rest of the movie wandering around LA because it's cheaper and easier to film.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

Yep this essentialy represents moden Hollywood. Instead of making us dream, they make us look at our own shit....until we realise that our own shit is better than what they just produced on screen.

[@LaurensWitt]

Red Letter Media is the only channel that makes me care enough to watch close to an hour long video about something I never will actually watch.

[@TumzFestivalYT]

Mike in the Twin Peaks jacket is magic. I really like "Mike Stoklasa and Rich Evans do the work of highly paid writers, off the top of their head."

[@lastrega2968]

Guinan is meant to be an intelligent character and it’s so sad nu trek has rendered her powerless and stupid. She easily explained the negative consequences of experimenting on data which all the officers had missed. She is running the bar of the enterprise because it is a way for her to observe and advise on the historically significant events of the federation flagship without being involved in the bureaucracy of command. She is not a humble human bartender limited by her circumstances from gaining a more influential position. The idea that she’s a time travelling alien who sits in her bar complaining she can’t get anywhere because she’s black just makes her seem like a sci fi Rachel Dolezal.

[@TheShredworthy]

Oh man, when they start talking about 10-forward, and you get the creeping realization that they don't realize that it's fucking deck 10, forward-most part. In their mind, since someone told them that's where guinan is, they have this odd abstract idea about this odd mystical place, Tynfourwyrd.

[@Zodroo_Tint]

And she is drinking with an angry expression because she is black and this is Star Trek.

[@benives254]

@@Zodroo_Tint YOU'RE LYING! IT'S NOT _REAL_ STAR TREK! *runs to room, slams door*

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

@@TheShredworthy Ah yes, Tynfourwyrd, the mystic Gaelic name for the realm of the faeries, which it will turn out Guinan actually is, by the end of Picard Season Six.

[@BlueThe1up]

@@Zodroo_Tint "black women exist to be angry and lecture white people about racism in america and guinan is a black woman so thats what she will do, god this is good shit" - alex kurtzman probably

[@kkryder9176]

Editing a fart over Rich Evans thinking is better than every editing decision in Star Trek Picard

[@dembro27]

Editing?

[@sci-fihighschool]

The writers don’t have an aptitude for science fiction. Fantasy tends to be their expertise. Case in point, what the Borg Queen says right before they travel through time sounds more like a spell being cast than something that the Borg would actually say. Instead of “Go backward to go forwards. Shattered to mend. The past is now,” the Borg would say things like “Chronometric particles dispersed. Temporal coordinates selected. Displacement commencing.” Also, according to IMDb, the only other sci-fi show anyone of them has done is “Superman and Lois.”

[@nfspbarrister5681]

How in earth superman and louis is scifi?

[@sci-fihighschool]

@@nfspbarrister5681 yeah I should’ve said “the closest thing to sci-fi.” It’s closer to sci-fi than “9-1-1” which is another show they wrote for.

[@handles_are_a_bit_rubbish]

They don't have an aptitude for writing full stop, this stuff doesn't matter when they can't even write a good show to begin with.

[@sci-fihighschool]

@@handles_are_a_bit_rubbish good point. In the spirit of Jean-Luc Picard (the REAL one from the show, not the decaying decoy that the movies and this atrocity have created), I was being diplomatic.

[@johngalvano5895]

Honestly this is more of an issue with the whole concept of the Borg Queen imo dating back to First Contact and continuing through Voyager. I have always found the concept of the character silly but I know that is controversial.

[@blakehenderson8828]

This is safely better and more informative than the actual show they’re critiquing

[@SumDumGy]

There is no show. It’s just a figment of their imagination they’re sharing with us.

[@yumyumcowpie]

Always good to hear the Mario Bros. talk about Star Trek.

[@bathyprobe]

The common thread...Both universes are full of mushrooms.

[@slightrebellionoffmadison]

“Three pages in, I was crying.” - actress playing young Guinan as she first read the script What the hell, lady? What about this subpar tv show is soul shattering material?

[@AjaxGb]

Many actors do their best acting in interviews, when trying to find something positive to say about the show that is writing their paychecks.

[@Lemon_Inspector]

If someone had forced me to watch this show, I'd be crying after three minutes.

[@Danderson-pr4vj]

Burn Notice had a great structure where the B-plot of every episode was the continuing story, and the A-plot was the self-contained episode. It kept this structure until the last couple of seasons, only moving the main story to the A-plot for mid-season and season finales.

[@ManOutofTime913]

And, as a bonus, they had Bruce Campbell.

[@117johnpar]

The fact that nothing was chroma keyed onto Mikes jacket the whole time is an insulting chekhovs gun. I expect better!

[@danielgardiner8940]

I'm waiting to see what the viewers come up with. And by waiting I mean 10 minutes into the video I started checking the comments for viewer created links.

[@NecromancyForKids]

@@danielgardiner8940 KZbin will LET you post links, but then it hides or deletes your comment.

[@dembro27]

He should've at least challenged Rich to a riddle.

[@Shinkajo]

Is the jacket a reference to anything? Why is he wearing it?

[@henryglennon3864]

My theory is that it's a subtle reference to mid-nineties childrens' science television show "Beakman", but I don't know why...

[@Cygnet13]

The irony of a line like "depression in a human can be debilitating" in a show actively inducing depression.

[@jamesyoung211]

Big sigh.

[@TheWaz2814]

As I watched the Guinan scene in episode 4, I just imagined Rich Evans screaming at the screen "You know him! You met him already! KURTZMAN!!!!" Glad to know I was correct

[@thomaswedge42]

Changes to the timeline works both ways involving characters time travelling multiple times, because Picard came from the Confederation future the events of Times Arrow from TNG never happened and wont unless the timeline is corrected. Similar to how in Yesterdays Enterprise the disappearance of the Enterprise C affected the present until the Enterprise was returned. Because the timeline is in Flux the events of Times Arrow haven't happened yet. Basically wibbly wobbly, timey wimey (Dr Who).

[@biggielittle1384]

Just curious, why would you actually watch the show? If you don’t like it, why give them your money?

[@ggggg77273]

@@biggielittle1384 who says anything about giving people money? you don't need to pay for something to get a hold of it...

[@АлексейСизёмин]

@@biggielittle1384 Paying money for media?

[@biggielittle1384]

@@ggggg77273 Oh yeah, I forgot about the Captain Hook method of watching stuff lol

[@eggs_and_butter]

Mike's Janeway voice is amazingly spot-on.

[@tenzon975]

I am just so grateful for RLM. Throughout a decade and a half they've been there. I found them through looking for Star Trek movies online with listening to them to this very day breakdown snd utterly ratio this terrible turn of events with the current star trek climate.

[@isodoublet]

To be fair, they probably had a hand in creating it when they put out influential videos not only pretending JJ trek wasn't a dumpster fire, but suggesting he'd be an excellent pick for Star Wars (the movie he obviously wanted to make in the first place). We'll never know how much those videos actually influenced that but the end result is both franchises are dead.

[@emmy8526]

I think that making Patrick Stewart, in his present dwindling state, act this poorly thought out crap, qualifies as elder abuse. So you’d think Rich and Mike would enjoy it.

[@p3ter20002000]

Isn't he like in the writers room though?

[@bacardibum]

the show is a metaphor for our current president.

[@AnthonyC90]

I think letting Patrick Stewart on as a producer/writer on any star trek after he displayed his profound mis understanding of the character in the later TNG movies is criminal. He was great under direction as picard, but when he starts giving ideas(especially now since he is getting old and dwindling) it just turns into his shitty opinion piece instead of the character of Picard. Unfortunately it was the only way to get him back likely, and in that case i say just dont do it then. Unfortunately in this era of media though all that matters is making something that people can recognize the name on, honoring the spirit of the material be damned. Getting that sweet money from recognition is all that matters.

[@elih9700]

He should be ashamed.

[@O1OO1O1]

He actually seems more like Picard when he played his rip-off-mirror-universe self.

[@primarchechs7139]

God, I love the trolling of Wil Wheaton SO much! Just what the world needs right now. Thanks, RLM!

[@gregkaufman3515]

Fans dumped on Will for like thirty years. I would bet he's the one trolling.

[@SefniVinalonn]

This is the kind of political commentary that a freshman high schooler writes. It doesn't analyze the elements of the issues or how they have come to be. Nor do they have characters with their own understandable reasons to take opposite positions with nuanced conversations to highlight how those different perspectives lead to the conflicts and problems the story is highlighting. And it doesn't have a mature nuanced take on how these issues may be solved at different levels, or how some proposed solutions might yield other negative results or end up futile. Life is complicated, as are the many issues this show is bringing up. Yet, this show just authoritatively pukes the message out at you by having a single generic character state the existence of the problems, superficially condemn them (with platitudes), and just has simplistic bad events happen to "show" the viewer that things are bad and they should feel bad about them. It's beyond childish and pathetic. It's an authoritarian demand rather than an earnest quest for improvement.

[@jacknagel9387]

I’d argue it’s even worse than that. In my high school writing class I saw people attempt to do that type of thing. It was poorly done but at least attempted. Here it’s more like a middle schooler wrote it. Needing to explain their message out to the audience in the most boring, non engaging way possible with characters who’s only traits are that they’re “Cool badass superhero’s of good”

[@SefniVinalonn]

@@jacknagel9387 Agreed lol.

[@theoneneo5024]

In the past this kind of writing would be given a C- or D for how ham handed and shallow it is. Now it is given an A++++ in highschool and college classes for pushing the "correct" views. I have many teachers in my family, from multiple generations, but this movie is a byproduct of the radical change to our education system that values the proper view above all else.

[@TheRedRaven_]

@@jacknagel9387 I agree, the exposition is done so poorly, it’s seriously laughable.

[@crakermac3818]

Orange man bad

[@TheProjectWorkBench]

Speaking of tonal shifts, I love that mike has transitioned from "I shall use my disappointment and distaste for this show amusingly to create amusing content" to "I'm absolutely and legitimately upset with what they are doing to the TNG legacy and I cannot contain my anger any longer"

[@Shmeximan]

A car chase... in Star Trek... truly a step in the right direction.

[@kaiserjoe2316]

Remember the dune buggy chase in Memesis? Sorry I meant Nemesis.

[@Shmeximan]

@@kaiserjoe2316 Referencing Nemesis only proves my point.

[@solanceDarkMOW]

Off a bridge

[@artemisfowl7191]

@@kaiserjoe2316 Don't compare Nemesis to this schlock, at least Nemesis has a consistent plot

[@lookoutforchris]

The season finale will be the black chick and Picard twerking in front of a burning city block during a "peaceful" BLM protest.

[@JustSumGuy01]

Raffi and Seven were trying to get Rios but Raffi made it sound like "We'll lose him forever"....like he's gonna be sent to prison or gonna be killed. At WORSE, Rios is getting deported to Mexico and is now running around Mexico. He'll find a way to make contact. He's not a lost child. He's a starfleet captain

[@jackmerrick7419]

If he was sent to prison, they could just wait until he was alone in his cell and beam him out. The guards would be baffled but hey, no witnesses at least.

[@KingOfMadCows]

He also knows where their ship is. All he has to do is take some low-key jobs, earn some money, get a debit card, buy a phone, set up an Uber eats account, order delivery to Picard's chateau, attach a message with his phone number on it. As soon as the rest of the crew gets the message, they can call him, get his location, and beam him out when he's alone.

[@CybFrog]

Yeah, more than once the show implies that ICE flat out murders Hispanics and disappear their bodies. All so Raffi can act extra crazy and irresponsible CREATING SO MUCH TENSION OMG? I don't understand how a professional writer can look at this material and be able to stomach it.

[@JustSumGuy01]

@@user-qp4ij4yl8y Also isn't California a sanctuary state. Meaning the feds would have a really hard problem working in that state without local support

[@ninjaninja4765]

It's implied previously that in this universe ICE is just driving them into the desert to execute them IIRC.

[@swordmonkey6635]

The Brent Spiner being every Soong thing... it's like poetry. It rhymes.

[@takerdust]

him not being his own mother kinda threw everything off