Star Trek - The Motion Picture - theatrical vs. director's cut part 2

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

The directors cut is proof it's the little things that make for a better experience. A few frames here, a shot added or removed here, shot rearranged there. Love the directors cut

[@alucard624]

It definitely improves the movie. Looking forward to the 4K release next year and hopefully it will finally get a Blu Ray release too as well.

[@NikkiWrightVGM]

Look at Rand being all smug about McCoy not wanting to get transported. As if she didn't see two people get turned into mutated sludge 5 minutes earlier...

[@gavnewton77]

Nikki Wright Probably still pissed up.

[@bonesbrigader]

Omg lol

[@dvnobles]

In the future, people's attention spans get even shorter than now...

[@1monki]

She's episodic, and that event happened in yesterday's episode, so she doesn't remember it

[@martinlimon4122]

I was watching the director cut last night in 5.1. I'd never noticed the old tos bridge sound effect before. It made it more authentic I think .

[@cubdukat]

I think that might have been added in the new sound mix. It's amazing what you could hear once they took out that "Red Alert" klaxon...

[@alucard624]

That and the classic Red Alert sound were added to the Director's Cut which IMO just makes the film warmer in many ways versus the cold sterile feel the theatrical cut has. I was so glad the Red Alert sound was changed too as well as the mechanical voices being removed as well like the scene where the travel pod docks and the voice saying "Pod secured" was removed in the Director's Cut.

[@andreaslopez2611]

Love that the Director's cut fixed the dimensions of the V'ger cloud. 2 AU's is a lot easier to swallow than 82 AU's in diameter.

[@larrytolson4135]

Yeah. For real. 1 AU is the distance from the Earth to the sun-roughly 93 million miles. V’ger now being 2 AU’s is a lot more realistic.

[@eventcone]

@@larrytolson4135 Well, it referred to the diameter of the cloud surrounding V'Ger, not V'Ger itself. I could accept 82 AU's - it was supposed to be an indicator of how powerful V'Ger was.

[@larrytolson4135]

@@eventcone that is correct. I would edit my comment to reflect that, but I’ll leave it as is. Looking back at my comment makes me think “I knew that, so why did I write it like that…?” But, that’s OK. Thanks for pointing that out.

[@eventcone]

@@larrytolson4135 NP.

[@swifty1969]

@@eventcone I like some things better in the DC version BUT overall, I like the Theatrical cut better. It gave Vger a more ominus/abstract presence than the DC version which showed the crappy CGI ship. I also prefer the 82 AU better than just 2 because it represented the true power of what was Vger capable of.

[@stofferrussell]

Nice to see the scene with Ilya taking Chekov's pain away added back in. That's what I remember from the cinema but never saw it again until now so thanks for confirming that I hadn't imagined it!!!

[@kevinneidinger8184]

It was not in the original theatrical release but showed up in the Special Longer version VHS.

[@stofferrussell]

@@kevinneidinger8184 ahhhh thanks. It was always frustrating when it came on TV and that part wasn't in it. It's so long ago since I first saw it as a kid that I assumed it was at the flicks (cinema). Same with ST6 and the Klingon Assassin is revealed to be a human (AKA: Rene before he was Odo) but that got cut out for some reason too.

[@organfan668]

The fam and I just finished the stardate theatrical edition and I love it, now I want both versions. Why this version wasn’t stuck on the same disc in that set is beyond me. Awesome video

[@JMUDoc]

The Director's Edition needs a Blu-ray transfer YESTERDAY.

[@ChrisPeteG]

Good news is that they are giving it the full 4K upgrade.

[@robertszvetics210]

@@ChrisPeteG BULLSHIT

[@davidgiles9751]

@@robertszvetics210 Turns out, they actually are. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKrbqJiwgb6LeKs&lc=z23wg3rxxsaggd4ac04t1aokg2i5kzacltckmligekkzbk0h00410

[@AvroBellow]

Thr Blu-Ray definitely has better colours. At 4:28 we see that the Federation had Quantum Torpedoes earlier than we thought.

[@KevinStriker]

I hope somebody bothers to remake the Director's Edition one of these days, give it a Wrath of Khan: Director's Cut treatment on Blu-ray. To my understanding, the effects used for the Director's Edition were lost when the FX company went bankrupt and were standard definition anyway, meaning they would be very blurry and obviously digital shots when integrated into film footage

[@TrekkieChannel]

I doubt it will ever happen. The Director's Edition was made back when Paramount was the owner of the franchise, but they didn't want to invest too much into it. The effects were done by Foundation Imaging and they stored all of their models on servers, not on individual computers. When they lost their Star Trek deal, they went bankrupt. They offered Paramount to buy their assets, they were not interested. So the company sold all of their assets, which included the server with all of the data on it. What happened later with the models is unknown, but I guess the first thing the new owner did was wiping the hard discs. The good news is that some of the employees used to make copies of their models, so "some" of them still exist. When they planned to release the movie on Blu-ray, the studio again didn't want to invest in re-doing the effects, which means we got only the theatrical cut.

[@cubdukat]

TrekkieChannel As you probably already know, they’ve had a change of heart. According to them, they’re seriously investigating an HD version of the DE. I suspect that among the model and scene data Mojo Leibowitz was able to recover for “What We Left Behind” was also some TMP data. Even if it doesn’t, now that “Star Trek” has been “unificated,” so to speak, maybe Paramount could be convinced to cough in a couple of bucks for some new CGI (ILM, anyone?) It would be one of their smartest decisions about the franchise they’ve made in years...

[@ChrisPeteG]

@@TrekkieChannel Good news is that they are officially doing a 4K upgrade of the Director's Edition!

[@johnnyw525]

Much prefer the Director's Cut. Far more mystery and tension!

[@TrekkieChannel]

And I think it has a better pacing, too

[@alucard624]

@@TrekkieChannel Absolutely. The scenes are tightened where they need to be and the pacing is much better. It's still a rather slow film but not as slow as it was now thanks to Robert Wise finally being able to finish the film as he wanted to back in 2001 instead of having to rush it theaters like he did back in '79.

[@Inspector_Miles]

Director`s Cut: in the scene in the engineering, аfter words Scotty "Systems overloading, captain" on 7:38, can hear scream wilhelm. In Theatrical version i'm not heard him.

[@scotthayes4135]

The area of the cloud with flashing lights looks like a tunnel.

[@georgepierson5795]

Ironically, it was Kirk who was putting his own interests ahead of the ship.

[@MV-ot8kr]

Can't find part 1 .

[@jenniferbeyer6412]

This movie is the best of all of the movies and TV series. The new Enterprise is Spectacular love the detail. And of all the models available I chose this version. I wish I still have it. But it was lost 20 years ago. If I can find another model of this ship I would build it again. The comparison of the versions are very informative. Thank you for doing this.

[@TrekkieChannel]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@TrekkieChannel]

BTW this is my favorite Star Trek movie of all of them. I don't get all of the hatred it gets from fans, I love it

[@handletag]

Where's part 1?

[@TrekkieChannel]

+handletag Blocked worldwide by Paramount

[@kellyweingart3692]

lol

[@TrekkieChannel]

@Christopher Campbell All huge Hollywood studios behave like this to be perfectly honest

[@TrekkieChannel]

@Christopher Campbell Well "I" didn't say it, but I don't have a problem with "you" saying it :-)

[@TrekkieChannel]

@Christopher Campbell And that is ... ?

[@joechaitin3032]

Where is Part 1 of this comparison? I can't find it anywhere on this channel. I always thought the opening sequence with the Klingon ships encountering V'ger was longer in the original theatrical cut. You see all three ships get digitized or whatever by V'ger's weapons, wheras in the Director's Cut we go from three ships to one all of the sudden and we miss what happens to the second ship. Does anyone else remember it that way?

[@TrekkieChannel]

I see the video on my channel but it's blocked worldwide.

[@joechaitin3032]

@@TrekkieChannel well that's weird...

[@TrekkieChannel]

@@joechaitin3032 A few years back CBS went hard on my channel, flagged literally every video which was uploaded, some of them went blocked worldwide, some of them were blocked outside of the USA, some of them were taken down and all of them were content-claimed

[@joechaitin3032]

Lawyers...naturally.

[@TheVCRTimeMachine]

Why is the image on the director's edition so murky compared to the theatrical cut?

[@inceptional]

Part 1 of this comparison is missing due to copyright grounds. Are you going to re-upload it at some point? It's a bit broken with the first part missing.

[@TrekkieChannel]

I was actually thinking about trying to put it on facebook if there will be enough interest.

[@inceptional]

TrekkieChannel Put on a few places if you can, like Facebook, dailymotion, etc. Might as well, if you can.

[@TrekkieChannel]

It actually was on dailymotion. For less than 2 days :(

[@inceptional]

TrekkieChannel God, it's so how annoying how these corporations gain more power ever day to just shut down anything and everything. Soon we won't even be able to talk about these properties online without someone claiming copyright and shutting the conversation down. It's ridiculous.

[@johnnyfavorite1194]

Wish they would release this on a HD format Disc.

[@mohammadayub2760]

I love the old movies ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@thecianinator]

What happened to part 1?

[@TrekkieChannel]

If you can't find it on my channel (check the playlists), you probably live in a country in which it is blocked. I am re-doing all of the comparison videos, I have started to upload new versions of the TOS videos and I will eventually get back to the movies.

[@Blazingstoke]

It would be interesting to see a comparison of the 2001 Director's Edition with the 2022 version, now that that's available.

[@TrekkieChannel]

Will happen as soon as I get the Blu-rays :-) But they are travelling from the USA to Europe, so no idea WHEN but it WILL happen

[@Luke-1296]

I wish there was a cut with all footage in both these editions and the special longer versions so it was complete and then you would just have to watch one cut instead of 2 or 3 to see everything.

[@vittoriostoraro]

NO thanks. This is the Directors preferred version.

[@cubdukat]

The special longer version was put together by ABC against the late Robert Wise's wishes. ABC had a bad habit of doing that. They did the exact same thing to what eventually became the "Wrath of Khan" director's cut. Fortunately, both directors got to go back and put out their own definitive versions.

[@bioshock6935]

WHERE WAS PART 1

[@mikligardur9104]

Nice to see this 2 version side by side. I rate this movie one if the best Trek film despite being flawed. I actually tried to edit my version of the director cut . Focusing on cutting down Kirk and Co glaring on screen but there where some scene from theatrical and special long version that i want added in my version of this film. Anyway why is theatrical version much cleaner picture compare to director cut?

[@TrekkieChannel]

+Mikligardur Thanks a lot for your comments, sometimes I feel like I'm the only person on this planet who thinks this is one of the best Star Trek movies :-) The theatrical version comes from a Blu-ray, the director's cut comes from an interlaced DVD.

[@mikligardur9104]

You are not alone :) This movie has not jet been match by the other trek films for its grandeur and epic nature.

[@akositonton]

Hey thanks for this. part 1 is blocked? Could this have something to do with the CGI remade vulcan scene? I can't find that anywhere, as if they want to take down the remake of the vulcan scene. What do you think?

[@TrekkieChannel]

Well every video on this channel has been "punished" somehow (despite I'm pretty sure these comparison videos should be protected by the "fair use" doctrine). Some of them got their monetization stolen, some of them are blocked worldwide, some of them are blocked outside the USA, and some of them were deleted from youtube. This specific video (the part 1 video) was blocked worldwide and I have no clue why.

[@akositonton]

Hmm strange huh. Anyway, that cgi remake of the "spock on vulcan" scene, I really can't find that clip anywhere. Anyway, thanks! :)

[@Contemplativeman101]

CBS couldn't give a shit about 'fair use' as we've found out. I'm just waiting for them to start hammering down clip music videos next. It will come

[@TrekkieChannel]

I originally took it personally, but then I found out that basically all Trek reviews are gone and many people complain about their practices (sfdebris comes to mind).

[@Contemplativeman101]

Very true, and fortunately he has his own website. Maybe I'll need to learn to make one if I move on from book reviews to something more like this or like sfdebris. I don't see how reviews could hurt sales or anything, I really don't.

[@thelonewolfe22]

No part 1? I've been enjoying your videos on ST II, VI, amd TMP's "Special Longer Cut", and was hoping to watch these too :)

[@TrekkieChannel]

+Jake Wolfe Send your thanks to Paramount.

[@thelonewolfe22]

+TrekkieChannel Sensitive lot, aren't they?

[@TrekkieChannel]

I would like to know why did they block just part 1 and not all of them

[@thelonewolfe22]

+TrekkieChannel I was wondering the same. Maybe there was something in the beginning of the film they didn't want on KZbin? That's the best I can come up with, and that just sounds silly.

[@georgepierson5795]

It's in this movie where Kirk expresses his love for McCoy when he tells him how bad he needs him. It must have been McCoy's huge beard.

[@CockySoupNazi]

McCoy the first hipster with that beard.

[@StarTrooper]

Any comparisons between the Directors Cut & Theatrical Cut with the Klingon cut scenes that Director Robert Wise shortened because he felt Klingons don't retreat. I prefer the original theatrical Klingon version.

[@LegendKiller1fan]

There is another scene that No one appears to know about is that they cut out the Original Transporter Malfunction, apparently it was alot longer and the two people apparently materialized but now it has been edited. When Yeoman Rand turns away, thats when it is edited to not show this image apparently. static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110320065552/memoryalpha/en/images/a/ae/StarTrek_Calendar_March_sml.jpg I wonder if this scene still exists somewhere. Did the part one of your video series address this? Could you possibly upload part one again? I am a huge fan of this movie and I consider it a masterpiece.

[@TrekkieChannel]

+LegendKiller1fan Do you have a tip WHERE could I upload it? I tried both vimeo and dailymotion, it got already deleted from both.

[@LegendKiller1fan]

TrekkieChannel Yes, try using Zipcast.com Its an amazing video website. Wait for a little bit though since they have been working on getting new servers and drives since the last month or so since they have been having issues.Their facebook will give you updates facebook.com/ZippCast/

[@TrekkieChannel]

Zipcast? Bobsheaux recommended it too, maybe I'll try it.

[@LegendKiller1fan]

TrekkieChannel There is also vessel.com. Its what The Nostalgia Critic and Channel Awesome uses

[@vikingfortiesfaeroes]

That link is broken, and a Google image search doesn't turn up anything - what did the image show?!

[@txmoney]

This all looks great and I will definitely be ordering the 4K Blu-ray. I just wish they had excised about five or six minutes of the Vger flyby. As much as I love the film, I still find the flyby, indulgent and excruciatingly boring. Over the years, I’ve often found myself dozing off at that point in the film.

[@bulbajer]

Do you have the original version of the transporter accident somewhere in these clips?

[@TrekkieChannel]

Did they change it? I never noticed any differences

[@Agent-xn1hr]

TrekkieChannel yes. I believe the line where Kirk says “my god” is deleted from the directors cut

[@moonersa]

Trekkie channel plz re upload part 5

[@jediking12]

So which version is. better? theatrical or directors?

[@TrekkieChannel]

I like all 3 versions, but I think the best is the director's version. It has slightly better pacing and fixes some effects shots.

[@MASSEFFECTfan101]

3?

[@Josh_Fredman]

Count me as one of the few who actually prefers the extended edition (the one you didn't mention). I like all three versions, though I can't forgive the Director's Cut's replacement of the red alert klaxon effect. Given a choice between the theatrical version and the DC only, I'd go with the theatrical version, as the DC has obviously inferior visual quality and deletes several important humanizing moments in the film for various characters.

[@jurassickaiju14]

@@Josh_Fredman " I can't forgive the Director's Cut's replacement of the red alert klaxon effect." That alert klaxon has been forever burned into my memory, and when I watched the directors cut I literally jolted when I heard the new sound.

[@robertmorris8997]

Chekov gets another Purple Heart.

[@petercampi2840]

Wow! Robert Wise actually made this movie watchable! He just turned a snooze fest into something on par with other 70 sci-fis.

[@gameking8809]

this movie was alwayd watchable

[@stevearts85]

Where is Part 1?

[@TrekkieChannel]

If you don't see it, it's probably blocked in your country. Please click my name, go to playlists and check the "film versions" playlist

[@Inspector_Miles]

Part 1 upload somewhere?

[@TrekkieChannel]

Blocked worldwide by Paramount. I have reuploaded it to dailymotion, it got deleted by a DMCA request. I have reuploaded it to facebook, it got deleted by a DMCA request. I have reuploaded it to vid.me, and they went bankrupt. So unless you have a recommendation for a video sharing site, I'm sorry, I can't help.

[@Inspector_Miles]

Maybe Russian social network vk.com or some cloud file storage?

[@Ljordan093]

The director’s cut of Star Trek The Motion Picture is much more balanced with the addition footage and visual effects. This version is more better than the original which I felt was rushed.

[@TrekkieChannel]

I can't wait till the HD release gets released

[@Archie2c]

is it just me or does the theatrical look sharper than the Director's ?

[@TrekkieChannel]

The theatrical version was taken from the Blu-ray, the director's cut is taken from the DVD

[@Ithinkiwill66]

That dosen't make sense, because when the theater one came on in some parts, the editor's didn't have it...and visversa....but I have it all on VHS....no matter which format it's on.

[@markusallen5634]

One of the little details that was missed was in the beginning with the battle with the Klingons and what appeared to be just one nacell floating up while another Klingon battle cruiser is in the foreground. The scene immediately cuts to the Epsilon Nine station, where Starfleet personnel begin watching the battle unfold.

[@Orlor]

There is a bit of a goof on the transporter scene though it wasn't your fault. I saw the movie on opening day and the Yeoman explaining that one of the others refusing to get on the transporter pad was there in the theatrical release. But for some reason, (Pacing I imagine) they removed it for the blu-ray edition. However, both editions removed one of my favorite lines from the movie. The one where Decker opines that "Everyone makes God into their own image". Being a atheist, I always liked that one.

[@kylejdahl5358]

I tried to like TMP, I really really tried. But you just can't put a shine on it. My biggest complaint was the lack of emotion on most of the characters.

[@jurassickaiju14]

I personally love it, but I won't say that I don't understand why people wouldn't like it. Oh well. At least everyone can agree that TWOK was great.

[@CmputrBlu]

The scene changes were good in the directors cut, but never cared for some of the FX and sound changes. Why was the earth changed in the departure scene for example? And wish they'd left the klaxon sounds and computer voice alone. Didn't they change the computer voice to female for example. Or am I imagining that. Been a while since I've seen the directors cut. And that view of the nacelle from the officers lounge always looked bad to me. I know that's what it would look like; but, except for the moving stars, it just looks like a bad still shot.

[@newguy371]

I know this an old comment from 5 years ago, but Marjel Barrett, Gene Rodenberry's wife, voiced the Enterprise's computer up until her death.

[@Contemplativeman101]

Colors are better in the theatrical version

[@buh2001j]

That's more about Blu-ray vs DVD quality

[@Omnicient.]

Seems unusual that the 'director's cut' is so obviously inferior in quality of picture. I consider Richard H. Kline's cinematography to be the best in the series history as well as one of the most beautifully photographed films of the 70s; production design & costume design also score top marks.

[@vadergeta]

read the comment above, directors is dvd and theatrical is taken from bluray

[@walterwishmaster4375]

zred99 Same reason why they can't release Ds9 in blu Ray I guess

[@chindleymuffin]

The reason they can't do Blu Rays of DS9 is that the digital effects made by Foundation Imaging (same team who did Voyager and Babylon 5 effects) were rendered on standard definition video (Betamax I believe) instead of film, as they didn't have enough time or money to transfer the effects to film stock. Also I have read that Foundation Imaging didn't do a back up the models they used for DS9 (or Voyager) after production ended. So if they did try to recreate the effects, they would have to rebuild the 3D models from scratch. This differed from ToS and TNG, where everything was shot on film, labelled and recorded extensively; so the HD transfer from original film stock was relatively straightforward to do. As most effects were CG on video for DS9, the show was edited on computer for the first time (to speed up production), so all the production notes were on computer as well, instead of being written down. Its standard practice these days, but due to external companies working on effects, nothing was backed up at the time.

[@Markperry123]

not happy that when it came on blu ray why not just come with the directors cuts i think i hold on too my DVD's

[@TrekkieChannel]

+Mark Perry CBS didn't want to invest too much to the Director's cut so Foundation Imaging was asked to render all new CGI scenes in only 480i resolution.

[@LegendKiller1fan]

+TrekkieChannel There is another scene that No one appears to know about is that they cut out the Original Transporter Malfunction, apparently it was alot longer and the two people apparently materialized but now it has been edited. When Yeoman Rand turns away, thats when it is edited to not show this image apparently. static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110320065552/memoryalpha/en/images/a/ae/StarTrek_Calendar_March_sml.jpg I wonder if this scene still exists somewhere. Did the part one of your video series address this? Could you possibly upload part one again? I am a huge fan of this movie and I consider it a masterpeice.

[@Markperry123]

+TrekkieChannel ya parmount silver sleeve 2 disc sets of each movie was the best release to date but i think hold on to them and get the blu ray too oh by the all thr nbc extended cuts are on disc 2 of the montion picture directiors cut dvd. and u can pre order ST2 on Blu-ray they are rerelaceing a director's cut

[@TrekkieChannel]

I plan to do a comparison video using the new Blu-ray release in November.

[@Progger11]

The new composite work in the scene where Spock, Kirk, and McCoy reunite and talk is absolutely atrocious. It's the one scene in this version that really came out worse compared to the original. Whoever botched that should be ashamed.

[@chuckkfinnley]

visual effects and editing much improved......sound effects and the music editing.....nope....like having a red alert in an apple store....and edited out a lot of the blaster beam

[@TakeBushOut]

why is the theatrical version better, longer, and more detailed then the directors cut? i always thought it was the other way around

[@austinwillcut4919]

The director's cut is DVD, significant dip in quality. Blu Ray is superior IMO!

[@starbond6]

Directors cut only got a DVD release in the early 2000s while the theatrical version had remasters a blu-ray release much later

[@darkoz1692]

I think that this is labelled incorrectly, looks to me that the Director's Cut is the top one.

[@TrekkieChannel]

No, top is theatrical version (2009 Blu-ray), bottom is Director's cut (2001 DVD)

[@darkoz1692]

@@TrekkieChannel - Oh I thought it was the 2022 Director's cut, my mistake.

[@TrekkieChannel]

@@darkoz1692 Yeah, this is an old video :-) I have also comparisons of the 2022 versions, check the newest videos on this channel.

[@rufuspipemos]

DE version has muddled colors.

[@TammyBeth1015]

Really don't care for the color muting and overall darker look of the DC. It was already colorless in too many spots, not sure why they'd dial that up

[@Commandamanda]

While I agree with the addition of lost scenes and the cutting of some shots, the COLOR is so washed out in the director's cut that it hurt me. I had to stop watching.

[@dragonskunkstudio7582]

I did a cut and removed almost 30 minutes and showed it to someone who never seen it before. They thought it sucked, quote "It was just another 'The Changeling' except not as entertaining."

[@ChrisPeteG]

The only thing I dislike is that the Director's Cut adds a 3 minute and 10 second OVERTURE at the beginning of the movie...a film that was already suffering in the pacing department did not need 190 seconds of dead air before the film even begins....ESPECIALLY in the world of home viewing.

[@vinnyc.1265]

So they took out fluff, and added more. I didn't think this movie could get any more boring...

[@apatriotone]

theatrics looks better on my Roku

[@timbottman3479]

who care about directors cut. theatrical is way better, color is good and it is better! Ridley Scott direct version of bladerunner really sucks! Theatrical BR was way so much better!

[@TeddyLeppard]

The "director's edition" looks terrible.

[@bobbytheblade2550]

My heavens, this film sucked balls. It was dreadful in the extreme.

[@TrekkieChannel]

Funny, it's my favorite Star Trek movie

[@curtischildress9580]

@@TrekkieChannel Back when this released I watched 6 times thinking what a brilliant return of Star Trek & familiar characters & intriguing storyline & special effects. All those Trek films were great...the newer reboot & alternate timeline films are dreadful...I hope situations are reset to the original wonder of Star Trek, even with new cast...and Chekov must return too in the next film...audiences will accept a new actor in the role if given a chance. ...BTW. I enjoy your Trek posts. Thank you.

[@artboymoy]

Where's part 1?

[@TrekkieChannel]

Blocked in almost all countries by Paramount

[@artboymoy]

@@TrekkieChannel That sucks. Wonder why.

[@TrekkieChannel]

@@artboymoy Multiple of these comparison videos have been blocked by both Paramount and CBS. I have started to slowly re-do them, I will eventually get back even to the movies

[@SoundlabStudios63]

@@TrekkieChannel Vimeo doesn’t block any videos I don’t think