Star Trek V: Finding Fun in Chaos

[@MusicHandsAbrupt]

Did Kirk not have a brother in the show named Sam?

[@MAMoreno]

And he will again. That's the beauty of it.

[@MusicHandsAbrupt]

@@MAMoreno 😂😂

[@MrFilbot]

George Samuel, only Jim called him Sam…Originally anyway.

[@rayvenkman2087]

@MrFilbot I'd make a wise ass remark about NuTrek not knowing to canon with Classic Trek when they do retcons but Shatner Kirk with a Moustache makes him look like Shatner's character in Loaded Weapon 1.

[@mjbull5156]

"Oh...yeah, but I never really liked Sam."

[@BlameThande]

When that one Patreon commenter said he'd overcome 35 years of baggage from your reaction, I honestly expected Alex to turn to the camera and say "YES! Give us your pain!"

[@rayvenkman2087]

*Does the noodle slurping sound*

[@Lumibear.]

Hey I have to say, I felt the same way, but after many years of much, much worse movies having drastically lowered my expectations, not to mention all the progressive effects, sound and original film negative sourced remastering for each new higher definition digital format, I can see now that when seen through younger, fresher eyes, the script actually isn’t too bad. With a higher budget, better effects and less behind the scenes executive meddling, it could well have been received better when it first came out. Then again, we may have missed out on alien felines looking like they’d just come from a Cats cosplay convention, sound dubbed with James Brown’s scream. ;)

[@richierich398]

Yes! They released Michael’s pain

[@maxshenkwrites]

But that commenter doesn't realize: HE NEEDS HIS PAIN!!!!

[@Bjy001]

One of my favorite quotes ever, "What does God need with a Starship?"

[@russellharrell2747]

Very meme-able

[@filthycasual8187]

I unironically use a version of it every time someone claims UFOs are being flown by demons or fallen angels. lol

[@paulpolpiboon9535]

But it works so much because of that "...Excuse me..!"

[@zoppie]

He collects them. He's a big Trekkie.

[@DOSv622]

I was a rabid teenaged Trekker in 1989. It’s seen the four previous movies many times, I watched a TOS rerun every weeknight, watched the new next generation episode every weekend, I had read several Star Trek novels. I was so pumped for this movie! I was there in the theater opening night so excited. When the lights came up after the movie was over, I felt underwhelmed because I had expected so much more. I was still thrilled to see spend time with these wonderful characters and have always loved the character development of “The Big Three” in this film, they finally acknowledge what we’ve known all along, they are a family. Jerry Goldsmith’s score is incredible!

[@zqxzqxzqx1]

As someone who saw the original run in theaters, the Sybok/brother thing was a surprise.

[@destinycaptain247]

So, the new bridge… The bridge that was built for Phase II/ Planet of the Titans, and then was redesigned for TMP and modified for WOK and used in SFS and TVH was accidentally destroyed in November 1988 during the second season production of TNG. The bridge set was dismantled and stored outside so that TNG could use its soundstage. A freak rainstorm rolled in and ruined the sets. A set which existed for 10 years was lost in an instant. Shatner was advised to bring in Herman Zimmerman, the production designer from TNG to design and build a totally new bridge. They were able to save the turbolift alcoves and incorporate those into the new design.

[@paulanerruhrpott6188]

Never understood why so many Trekkies had a problem with the supposed continuity issues with Spocks brother or Kirks son. Just because something was not mentioned, does not mean that it does not exist. For example i never knew that my Grandmother had a brother until her funeral. She never mentioned him. And that was my family. The Enterprise crew are primarily collegues at work on a mission, so you propably dont know everything about each other. I spend more time with my collegues at my work than with my family, but do i know how many family members they have? No.

[@trhansen3244]

I never had a problem he had a brother. But not THAT brother. LOL It is all too silly.

[@belkyhernandez8281]

Yup. I'm not into the idea that as a viewer I am supposed to know everything about the life of the character. That's how it is in real life too.

[@MAMoreno]

I'm of the opinion that Sybok would have been more impactful if he had been Spock's one friend on Vulcan, the kid who didn't reject him when the others did. It's not that it's impossible to have an undisclosed sibling (or two), but that it's an unnecessary and contrived hook to generate audience interest when there are better alternatives.

[@paulpolpiboon9535]

Exactly

[@rayvenkman2087]

@MAMoreno Spock having a half-brother on his father's side is not that unbelievable. I knew someone who had a half-brother they didn't know about and never got to meet because they died around the time frame they learned of their existence. Sybok's existence could be handwaved as him being a disowned son of Sarek who's something of a forbidden topic and likely wasn't too well known before his banishment. The other relative? That's where they're really stretching it for me and I already have issues with Sybok as is.

[@jcortese3300]

I'm an old-schooler, and my opinion of this movie is pretty much the old-school opinion. On Usenet back in the day, this movie was called "Star Trek V: The Mass Hallucination." But the McCoy scene was worth it. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool McCoy fan, and this scene is for me the kernel of him as a character -- and we waited so very long for it.

[@beard78748]

Star Trek 5 was the first star trek I saw in theaters. I was 7. It has issues but it helped me question the abuses I witnessed in the church. When I was 8 I started to ask questions in Sunday school. I got hit a few times by the teacher.

[@jamesalexander5623]

Good For You! All Religions are Cults!

[@davidfindley7640]

The actor Mark Lenard (Sarek in TOS, STIII and STIV) dubbed the voice of Sarek in Spock’s birth scene.

[@1978rharris]

What’s your source? Because, no he didn’t.

[@StevenJShow]

@@1978rharris What's YOUR source?

[@johnezell1628]

Peter David said that if ST5 had came out right after STTMP, fans would have loved that the action was back.

[@pauld6967]

The streaming service removed the movies from what they offer. Physical media people! DVDs and Blu-ray so the show/movie you want to see is ALWAYS available, unaltered and having only paid once! Okay, I'm getting down off of my soapbox now to continue enjoying Alex and Josh discussing the movie.

[@Vulcanerd]

And not just pulling entire movies or series, but altering them too.

[@rayvenkman2087]

@@Vulcanerd And handing the restoration efforts to off to incompetent idiots who insists on “modernising” the look of them or adding teal filters to them.

[@christopherb501]

It continues to baffle me with people that perpetually buy into a service JUST because a specific show is on it. Makes no sense.

[@Trendyflute]

I'd even go so far as to say, just DVDs; I've had so many problems watching the Blu-rays I bought and own because of their excessive DRM and region control. DVD was the last meaningful physical format...Blu-ray winning the HD format war was a travesty. I backed HD-DVD at the time, it was technically SLIGHTLY less superior but much more open and usable to the consumer.

[@liontone]

Shatner was under the mandate (by Paramount) to make V be as much like IV as possible.

[@eschiedler]

Skipped school to watch ST: V on opening day at 3PM. We got middle of the theater seats. A new multi-plex had opened and had screened one through four back-to-back-to-back-to-back and we had just done that as well on their promotion day. After all the hype, it was at risk for a let-down and sadly couldn't match the hype at the time.

[@riccardogemme]

It would have been so good if Kirk went instead with "I once lost a brother, but life gave me new ones" looking at Spock and Bones

[@rayvenkman2087]

“I once lost a moustache but life gave me a friend who can grow one.” - Kirk

[@maxshenkwrites]

22:44 = YES, Alex!!! This was my feeling when I rewatched STV a few months back. It felt like a rough draft of a movie, and I say that as a writer, knowing that in the rough draft you get all sorts of ideas, some of which work and you don't change, some of which you keep and revise to certain degrees, but MANY of which you just toss out because they don't work and can't be salvaged.

[@rayvenkman2087]

Sybok, Bones’ past, Kirk aware of his mortality and the quest to find the ultimate answer do feel like something out of a great Star Trek movie. Unfortunately like the Empath actually having a beautiful depiction of the trinity’s relationship and their bond, it’s weighed down too much by the lacklustre elements to be able to rise above your City On The Edge Of Forever.

[@johnezell1628]

For ST6, the studio found a way for Shatner to save face.

[@jaityrone6306]

I love The bridge set of this movie

[@Jessica_Roth]

Saccharine™ is an artificial sweetener. It's what was used in diet sodas before Aspartame™ was invented. And it's pronounced "saka-RIN".

[@chrisadams8182]

If you recall in Amok Time. Spock mentions to Kirk that Vulcans were once fueled by emotion. But they purged it for a life of pure logic. Sybok is a reminisce of that way of thinking.

[@richdurbin6146]

In the novelization it mentioned that Vulcans considered Sybok a “pervert” for embracing emotion.

[@chrisadams8182]

@@richdurbin6146 The artifact of a time well past.

[@rhaedas9085]

@@richdurbin6146 And Vulcans aren't very fond of sharing things about their deeper culture with outsiders, so it's no surprise that Spock or others would talk about the emotional reject of Sybok (or any others that might happen).

[@dirtyburd71]

Gotta love Bones... "You want me to hold him Jim?"

[@meethookz]

So the ship. Remember it's not the 1701, it's the 1701-A. At least in my headcannon, they gave them a "recommissioned" Constitution class. It would be like reactivating a museum ship back to an actual combat vessel. So things don't work. Same with Scotty and his headbonk.

[@Bjy001]

Your reaction to the "I had a brother once" scene was perfect. Exactly as it should have gone. R.I.P. Sam. Think i'll write 'im a poem... *Here lies George Samuel Kirk - Although he was sometimes a jerk - He didn't deserve to die - From rubber vomit that could fly - A MacGuffin with no real groundwork.

[@tkgsingsct]

This is the only Star Trek property where you get to see an actual toilet in the scene where Kirk, Bones, and Spock are discussing whether or not Spock has a brother -- they're in the head, and when Kirk says he has to sit down, that's what he's sitting on.

[@shallowgal462]

Technically, every cell has one.

[@maxshenkwrites]

It's little touches like that which make me think Shatner was a better director than people gave him credit for (because they just don't like HIM) and had he felt free to make the film he wanted, it might have been better.

[@lewi7275]

What real sells that is Mark Leonard‘s voice is dubbed in over the fact that that actor has a striking resemblance to Mark Leonard

[@mjducharme]

The joke for the poster was that the answer to the question "why are they putting seatbelts in theatres" was "to prevent you from walking out of Star Trek V early" 🤣 Joking aside, it's the type of movie that isn't as good on a rewatch but I remember the first time I saw it (in the theatres) I loved it. It took a few more times seeing it before I was really able to judge it in context of the other films. To this day, I don't think it is terrible, but not great either (unintentional paraphrase of that guy from "Chernobyl").

[@OpenMawProductions]

With the exception to certain TNG films, that's how most Star Trek movies are. They either get better on the rewatch, or they get worse.

[@CharlesHippe]

Even though this isn't the strongest of the TOS crew movies, I think it is probably the best that shows the relationship between the 3 main characters. I could watch a whole movie of Kirk, Spock, and Bones camping and telling stories. Easter eggs: Shatner's daughter is the one that hands him the log on the bridge "Shakari" was a homage to Sean Connery, who was the first choice to be Sybok, but he was making Indiana Jones.

[@paulanerruhrpott6188]

Concerning the advancing age of Shatner while freeclimbing, that man is ten years older than Patrick Stewart while Stewart, despite getting his own Trek Show in his 80s, is really showing his age and appears 10 years older than Shatner, while Shatner in his 90s went into space, for real!

[@bustedsim]

I think Stewart's commitment to making Professor X look as frail as he was in Logan really bit him in the butt. After a certain age it's a hell of a lot harder to bounce back from the kind of bodily transformations actors today put themselves through. Stewart is no Christian Bale, and he's never quite recovered from his choices for Logan. Just one more way that great film ended up frakking over Star Trek... which I can't get into here, obviously.

[@paulpolpiboon9535]

Besides which, it's not like he's just some dude. That's frickin CAPTAIN KIRK. Did Josh somehow forget??? The guy's a formidable athlete, a supreme soldier, one of the best fighters in Starfleet. He's not just some gym teacher or some captain of the love boat. I think Josh is just ignorant to that reality, since Mike Tyson is age 55 and is STILL boxing with 90% of his same prowess+ power. So that's an actual fact. Then you have Tom Cruise who can sprint at high speeds at nearly the age of 60, not to mention doing vigorous stunts. Also a straight up FACT. And I'm pretty sure Tom Cruise the actor is NO Captain Kirk. There are hundreds of examples in REALITY for the elderly at ages 55, 65 and even 70 that are performing on high athletics. There's a 70 year old man running the 100 yard dash in 13 seconds, can even Alex do that. So that's another Fact. Since none of these hundreds of examples can compare to Captain Kirk then Kirk is at LEAST on their level.

[@ruufusdeleon1264]

The friends story at the end is perfect.

[@aramiscalcutt]

We knew it was Spock’s brother from the pre-release promotional materials.

[@dino_j]

I went to see the film opening week and did not recall that being part of the promotion. But that’s been some time ago!

[@bri55118]

Kirks line about losing his brother should have gone as, "i lost a brother once, only to gain another. Thought i lost him as well, but fate gave me another chance. And i intend to make good on that fact."

[@David-kb3bd]

Too long. The quote works, partially BECAUSE Kirk lost his real brother. You think he’s referencing him, and then he lets Spock know how he feels about him.

[@jeffd.6498]

I love Jerry Goldsmith's score in this movie. One of his best.

[@AliceI7764]

I would absolutely tune in to see you looking at Temple of Doom and Last Crusade.

[@zoppie]

I don't know if it was a conscious decision on Shatner's part, or just a happy accident, but the scene where he says he needs his pain harkens me back to "The Enemy Within." Kirk learned that without the "bad" side which drives him on, he becomes feeble as a leader. Sybok was on the verge of putting him through that again, and Kirk wasn't having it.

[@Vulcanerd]

Goodnight Josh and Alex~

[@richardb6260]

Mentioning Shatner at a convention reminded me of Shatner's convention sketch when he hosted Saturday Night Live. You really need to check it out. It's iconic.

[@CrankyGrandma]

it’s amazing. I’ve been a Trekkie since 1966 and I loved it

[@HermanVonPetri]

While I wouldn't say that Sybok is my favorite Trek antagonist, I do think he is underappreciated. Laurence Luckinbill plays him completely sincerely and with such charisma that you really do see why people would join up and follow him. The audience is led to dismiss his talk of God "calling to him" as a delusion, like a crazy person hearing voices. But also, we saw in "The Motion Picture" that Vulcans, including Spock, can make telepathic contact on a basic level with powerful conscious entities in deep space. Considering what they find might have actually been a creature like Apollo that pretended to be a god on Earth and other worlds, who can really blame Sybok for mistaking telepathic communication from such a creature as the real thing? And he's completely truthful. He really doesn't want violence or to hurt anyone. He really thinks he's helping people. He really does believe he's finding God. And as soon as he realizes he was wrong he instantly tries to save everyone by sacrificing himself. If not for his megalomania one might consider him a fairly decent person (granted that's a big flaw to overlook.)

[@CaminoAir]

I completely agree with everything you said about Sybok and Luckinbill.

[@rayvenkman2087]

I see Sybok as the prototype to Persona 5 Royal's Third Semester Antagonist.

[@keithbk]

Star Trek VI is my favorite; when you get to that one, please...please...PLEASE, watch it on a FANTASTIC surround system CRANKED for the opening sequence. Until Phantom Menace (which was a breakthrough in sound design), STVI was the movie to test your sound system.

[@targetaudience]

If you buy the system for us we have a deal.

[@teknikel]

​@@targetaudienceInvest in your business.

[@LockeTheCole]

This Enterprise wasn't malfunctioning because it was old. It was new technology being pushed out before it was ready and Scotty was being forced to work out the bugs and kinks on the fly.

[@richierich398]

When the movie came out, I was like no way Shatner at 50 something years old could climb a mountain. Now I see him at 93, still very healthy and sharp, then I’m like hell yeah, he could’ve climbed a mountain!

[@Temeraire101]

And went into space.

[@dirtyburd71]

The Klingon language is so cool when it's spoken, more than just a few words. A real conversation. Nice!!

[@J4ME5_]

Watching season release order was such a good idea. Well done you guys

[@richardmark9161]

I just watched Star Trek Continues. The writing and set designs are absolutely spot on. Everything is really good except for some of the acting. The two actors playing Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock very good. Most of the guests are very good but the people playing the rest of the crewmembers… They were trying. Anyway, I think these 11 episodes are worth watching. Interesting to see what could’ve been a great ending to the origin series. The entire casting crew really put their heart into it. That is undeniable. Hope you guys will include this series in the future.

[@rymerster]

I don't remember the marketing revealing that Sybok was Spock's brother. There was much more emphasis on the Klingons, at least in the UK. However, we were spoiled because the movie came out months earlier in the US, and was included in inflight movies on transatlantic routes before it was in cinemas here. I think Paramount were trying to increase the profit by offering it early to airlines. That's not such an unusual thing now, but it was then.

[@pauld6967]

@24:10 Josh is 100% correct. I saw this in the theater, immediately my head canon rejected the idea and foreverafter Sybok is categorized in my mind as just "a Vulcan who embraces emotion" and zero annotation about a familial connection to Spock

[@pauld6967]

@@rayvenkman2087 We ignore everything connected to Fake Trek: Duhscovery.

[@rayvenkman2087]

@@pauld6967 As sane people do.

[@EvanG529]

How dare you not dislike the VFX in this movie? I FORBID YOU TO ENJOY IT!!

[@TalynOne]

The green screen when Kirk falls off the mountain is flawless

[@bradchoi9679]

NCC1701A was falling apart because it's a 'refurb' of another old ship.

[@MartinCox-ny2rv]

Aye,it was. NCC-1717 USS Yorktown; damaged by the whale probe during ST 4

[@Reepicheep-1]

"We the Fed Council have pardoned you. Here's an old POS ship, mostly through with refit to bring it up to Constitution II class. You get to finish the rebuilding. Now go away, Kirk."

[@philfitnesspt6139]

​​@@MartinCox-ny2rvsince when? That is never mentioned in any of the films so if its something added after the event on some trek website that's just a retcon. More likely it was a new ship build and they alterated or shaped the outside to match enterprise as thanks for saving earth. As new ship it is still being made ship ready as per start of film not that hard to understand. The ship in 4th film you mention was much smaller I believe. They probably started building new ship after original enterprise was destroyed

[@bradchoi9679]

@@philfitnesspt6139 ...or it was going to be designated as something else, but they changed it to NCC1701A and gave it to them? I dunno.... I kind of like the refurb thing. LOL!

[@NukedStar]

@@philfitnesspt6139 the constitution class is obsolete at this point. The Yorktown being rechristened Enterprise was in the novelisation of ST4 if I remember right

[@JMUDoc]

One of the posters for this film had the tagline "This time... have they gone too far?" 🤣

[@komradewirelesscaller6716]

Good night Alex.. good night Josh!!

[@philly83]

In the camping scene where Spock is roasting marshmelons, I think it might've been in the novelization, McCoy's smile at Spock talking about roasting marshmelons was because it said McCoy knew Spock would research camping and changed the word in the library computer from marshmallows to marshmelons.

[@rayvenkman2087]

Sounds like something McCoy would do just to screw with Spock in turn paying him back by shuffling his non-medical essentials into folders upon folders labeled in the Vulcan language.

[@StevenJShow]

Yes, because that makes total sense.

[@Swiftbow]

@@StevenJShow It's in the novelization. He was messing with Spock. (The joke just causes confusion in the movie... I thought marshmelons was maybe a Southern dialect thing.)

[@Analog_Mind47]

Shatner came up with idea for this film while watching one of those Big tent miracle preachers on Late Night TV. The original Script had Captain Kirk get into a fist fight with The Devil. Some ideas were too grand for Shatner's skills as a director to portray. A humbling experience that Shatner says helped turn his life around. Film also suffered major budget cuts, there was originally going to be these giant Rock Monsters on the planet which there is test footage for one of. Some TNG sets were used, with one shot of the Mad Max goons running through the Enterprise D's hallways. The D's battle bridge was also heavily redressed to be the Enterprise A's bridge which is why it was missing from season 2, but it was the mildly redressed for Season 2's Peak performance

[@rsn66125]

I’m glad you guys liked this movie a bit. I am the apocryphal trek fan who likes it fine. It is, to me, the most like an episode of TOS and I missed that as good as the other movies were.

[@Vulcanerd]

Really love the skits yo guys have been doing. 🖖❤️

[@Realmasterorder]

Ι also enjoyed it although simplistic medium movie overall seemed like a classic phat episode. The NEXT one is really Cool and is the Last original Cast movie it has a great Story so alike Gene's vision and is aTrue Tribute to Star Trek and especially the Original Cast

[@goldenshark3182]

Easter egg: Harve Bennett is the Federation commander that orders Kirk & crew to investigate Nimbus 3 on the view screen.

[@1978rharris]

*Admiral

[@christopherleodaniels7203]

The woman playing Spock’s mother, Amanda Sarek, was an acting teacher of mine, chosen because of her resemblance to Jane Wyatt but also because she was a dialect coach, so she could do the New England sound. She had some not-so-flattering recollections of being directed by Shatner. Her line was, “Neither his nor mine”, as she looks at the baby, so it would’ve been a double-rejection of Spock by both parents - but she came to Shatner as an actor would, after doing her research, asking why an Earth woman would move to Vulcan and have a baby with an alien, only to reject him, to which Shatner said, “JUST…..SAAAAY… THE LINE!!” …She did…and then it was cut anyway.

[@Jessica_Roth]

Amanda Grayson kept her legal name. Sarek is a first name. The family surname is difficult for humans to pronounce, which is why she corrects Kirk when he calls her "Mrs. Sarek". [/nitpick]

[@christopherleodaniels7203]

@@Jessica_Roth …oh that’s awesome. I forgot. As a Trek nerd, I love those details. Thank you!

[@Jessica_Roth]

@@christopherleodaniels7203 You're welcome.

[@mintybiscuits941]

In regards to Kirk ordering Spock to shoot Sybok: It's completely in line with Kirk's character to give that order, in my opinion. Kirk loves his ship. He would do anything to protect his ship.

[@oaf-77]

I remember when this movie came out on vhs the 5 movies had special video sleeves that made up q picture of the enterprise, the complete 5 movie collection. When they made 6, it added a weird 6th video sleeve to the picture. The plan was to end at 5.

[@hafor2846]

I mean, they all had shore leave, so I would guess the Enterprise isn't just falling apart, it's in the middle of getting overhauled.

[@Jessica_Roth]

Kirk is 56 at this point (Shatner and Nimoy were 58).

[@russellharrell2747]

Good night Johnboy.

[@KevinPSmith-fk5eb]

Your perspective as new Star Trek watchers gives me a fresh look into things I've watched so many times since the early 70's. My biased opinions get a chance to be re-thought.

[@TonySalazar933]

For me the original Star Trek movies were never about the spectacle or the effects or even the story that much. Hey we’re just a chance to catch up with characters you love and spend a couple of hours sharing their adventures. And The Final Frontier delivered on that.

[@patrick86806]

great discussion guys! 🖖

[@KevinPSmith-fk5eb]

Another great discussion guys. My order of TOS movies is 3, 4, 2, 6, 1, 5. I would not call any of them a bad movie.

[@noisecrime]

It’s interesting to see how other people rate the movies. For me it’s 1/2, 6, 5, 4, 3, though even with 3 it’s still watchable. With such variation between viewers it’s sort of amazing the movies did so well, I guess because there is always at least something, beyond the obvious continuity of cast members that any one viewer can latch onto in every movie.

[@KevinPSmith-fk5eb]

@@noisecrime No mater what order they're in, They're 6 of my favorite movies

[@webstersempire]

I'll take these 6 movies over the 6 Star Wars films anyday 👍

[@flotilha935]

This is the only TOS movie that i never rewatch. Unfortunately i find it very boring, although i really like the camping scene and the sybok Ilusions. My order of tos movies, from worst to best: 6- Star Trek V 5- Star Trek I 4- Star Trek III 3- Star Trek IV 2- Star Trek II 1- Star Trek VI

[@jasonbowser5754]

I absolutely love this movie. loved it then, and I love it today. For me, the story was always secondary to the characters in the show. I just love the big three and the big three do nothing but shine through this entire film.

[@bradchoi9679]

re: Scotty hitting his head.... just before that, he mutters to himself, "I know this ship like the back of my hand." lol.

[@Swiftbow]

I love that bit. And who hasn't whanged their head on something in their own house? It's completely understandable.

[@FreakDaMIghet]

My dad and I joke about Kirk forgetting his brother too. I guess its just a symptom of how TV worked back then that nothing that happens leaves a lasting impact on the characters. Kirk: "I lost a brother once. I'm just lucky I got him back." Spock: "But, Captain, Samuel Kirk did not come back." Kirk: "No, Spock. I was talking about you." Spock: "Oh... Thank you, Captain."

[@hagbardceline7118]

Also, glad you guys liked it. If you have the DVD the behind the scenes on this one are very very interesting. Basically everyone got dragged along for the Bill Shatner's Ego show and he bit off more than he could chew in many instances or shit just went hilariously wrong in others. This was the most expensive TOS movie period, they got a budget cut for 6 and it looks like the cheapest. However, bad Star Trek has its own neat flavor of bad that I enjoy. Also they've done all the other types of TOS episodes already, horny Sci fi, character villain, personal melodrama, comedy and now they've finally made a film version of the awkward and fumbling episodes. Unfortunately we never get a Planet that's Just One Aspect of Earth movie but aside from that they do cover every type of tos episode in the movies.

[@rpmfla]

29:45 5'9" Michael Keaton played Batman and 5'7" Tom Cruise gets mostly super spy and hero roles, it would have been easy for 5'10" Shatner to play Superman. Hollywood is filled with diminutive heroes.

[@captainbryce1]

Yeah but Superman in the comics is supposed to be 6’3”. Tyler Hoechlin (the current TV Superman) is the shortest actor to ever play Superman in live action and he’s 6’0”. George Reeves was 6’1”, Brandon Routh 6’2”, Tom Welling 6’3”, and Christopher Reeve (the tallest and most famous Superman) was 6’4”. A 5’10” Superman might have worked back in the 60s, but it definitely wouldn’t work today given the precedent that has been set.

[@paulpolpiboon9535]

​@@captainbryce1: Well it's movies, you control everything, particular Perception. So you can make look anyone look as tall or short as you want. Look at Judge Dredd, Stallone was made to look super tall just as in the comics source material. Lookit Lord of the Rings, Gimli actor was made to look shorter than the elves, etc etc. If your face matches the drawings and your personality matches the character then you're 90% done, the 10% is just special effects

[@sasamichan]

I actually did sing "Row, Row , Row your boat" both as a kid and at camp. saccharin means sweat and sugary perhaps too cute.

[@darkridge]

For years, every time I watched this movie (which admittedly was never very often), when Kirk has his line "I lost a brother once... I was lucky, I got him back." I would always tack on for him "...Oh, and I also lost an actual brother."

[@pauld6967]

To Alex and Josh's comments at the end. This method is fun and nice because the reactions are bi-directional thanks to your reading/commenting on Patreon comments.

[@peterkoester7358]

Regarding Shatner and his memory of making the Original Series; A story William Shatner often told at conventions was about how he was a guest at a convention in the 80's. They had him in a nearby hotel room waiting to go on stage and when he turned on the TV it happened to be playing an episode of the original Star Trek. He began to watch and got completely into the episode. When the convention organizer came to bring him on stage, he didn't want to leave the room because, as he stated, "I didn't remember making that episode!" and he wanted to see how it ended. The main thing Shatner remembered about his time on TOS were who the guest stars were for a given episode, and that was what he remembered about making them. But a few episodes did not have Guest Stars he could connect the episode to, and as a result could not remember having made those few episodes. Ironically, a few years after Star Trek Generations was released, he came out with a pair of books titled, "Star Trek Memories" and "Star Trek Movie Memories."

[@rayvenkman2087]

Star Trek: Generators Star Trek V: The Finn Frontier Star Trek: The City On The Hill

[@Swiftbow]

Star Trek Memories is a good read. He may not have had firm recollection of all the plotlines, but one thing he remembered was his action scenes and developing Kirk's unique fighting style. It's kind of way different to make a movie/show than to watch it. They do a lot of scenes out of order and there's no effects. So, if you're busy and don't actually watch yourself after, it's understandable that the plots might not stick in your brain.

[@goldenshark3182]

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom is awesome, it’s my favorite Indy film and you should definitely watch it. Spielberg and Ford are great, Short-Round is great and by far the best sidekick of the Indy films and the last hour is one hell of a wild ride of non-stop action. One of the best movie going experiences I had back in the 80’s!

[@Jessica_Roth]

I completely hate Temple of Doom. It overdoes the "constant peril" trope to the point where I was thinking that Indy should be having a heart attack right about now. (Both I and III had time-lapses that allowed Indy to catch his breath.) Kate Capshaw's shrieking idiot is so one-dimensional that it's depressing to think Spielberg dumped Nice Jewish Girl Amy Irving for this shiksa. (Capshaw was a decent actress in her soap-opera days, so it's mostly the script, but this is a HUGE step down from Indy having an actual relationship with Marion [Karen Allen]) Ke Huy Quan was so much the stereotypical annoying kid/token native that I still resent him, "Everything Everywhere All at Once" or not. If I had wanted to watch "The Goonies" (with near-racist tokenism). I would have. (Yes, "The Goonies" was a few years later. The point still holds.)

[@goldenshark3182]

@@Jessica_Roth TL:DR

[@davidclough3951]

Their original choice to play Sybok was Sean Connery, but he was busy with the third Indiana Jones movie.

[@markcoledrumteacher]

That's why they called the planet Sha Ka Ri. And I don't know if I spelled it right of course.

[@rayvenkman2087]

I think Sean Connery was better off as Henry Jones Sr. I don’t think he would have gotten along with Shatner and other members of the TOS cast based on his personality since this is late era Sean Connery where he was starting to grow jaded with the industry.

[@chrisadams8182]

He choose…. Wisely. But, a Scottish Vulcan would have been rad!

[@tim_rizzo]

Yes please watch Indy II & III !

[@rankosaotome]

The prevailing theory as to why the Enterprise A was falling apart was that the ship was originally the Yorktown and was renamed in honor of the Enterprise. It was as old or older than the first Enterprise. Star Fleet was in a rock and a hard place. On one hand, Kirk disobeyed orders, stole the Enterprise and then destroyed it while stirring up trouble with the Klingons. On the other hand Kirk saved the planet from the probe. So the Enterprise A was both his punishment and reward.

[@kingdave31]

I was 10 when this movie came out and I was all hyped to see it, but my parents wouldn't let me because they heard that it was about the Enterprise searching for God and decided it would be sacrilegious. (I was also not allowed to watch the TNG Season 2 premiere because it was about Counselor Troi having a child out of wedlock.)

[@MrFilbot]

I always wondered how many of Sybok’s followers got left behind on Nimbus? They couldn’t all fit on the shuttle craft? Or maybe they took most of his group and left Kirk’s raiding party behind?

[@krunkcleanup2949]

Enough time passed at the end of 4 for the unveiling of the Enterprise-A, but not for it to be finished yet. I think that's why Scotty bumped his head. He just wasn't completely familiar with the ship yet.

[@Akabackalooka]

Looks like a couple of tires were thrown on that campfire! 😆

[@tobbiecassin]

Same thought! Yucky black smoke

[@shallowgal462]

Why when Kirk & Spock were singing at the end, did Bones sit there silent, arms crossed?

[@Welsh_Dragon756]

I can't wait for the undiscovered country. One of my favourites of the OST movies. And really is a massive one for lore and Canon between TOS timeline and TNG.

[@OpenMawProductions]

...And they were never seen or heard from again. One question does remain, though.... What does God need with a Starship?

[@rayvenkman2087]

To go to IKEA?

[@Carl_Frank]

To put 2 of each alien species on, and then flood the universe... ;-)

[@MatthewLetendre]

I have always like part 5 is it the best no but it has great and fun moments in it. I can't wait for you to see part 6 it is a great ending for the TOS crew. I remember being sad after I saw it with my Dad (RIP) and knowing that it was the last movie with the TOS cast.

[@wolfofthewest8019]

Saccharine is an artificial sweetener used in diet drinks. To say something is "too saccharine" means that it is sickeningly sweet in a very artificial way, such that it leaves a bad aftertaste (as saccharine does).

[@LockeTheCole]

I'm weird, I don't hate this movie like everyone seems to. Despite the accepted credo that the odd movies are the bad ones, I love the odd movies, they generally have much less action movies and are more cerebral, which is what I want from Star Trek. I've always hated the 'it's a movie make it a movie' mindset. That's how you get bad movies that don't feel like the source material. I'd rather a 'long big budget' episode over all the attempts to make it an action movie, but that complaint is for another day down the series of movies.

[@davidheckjr]

I think you all should watch Big Trouble in Little China. I would love to see your reactions to that.

[@paulanerruhrpott6188]

Temple of Doom is actually my favourite Indiana Jones movie.

[@jamesgoss1860]

Not mine, but I can definitely see why it would be. It's the only one with unadulterated action with Indy basically being a cross between a secret agent and a superhero. He doesn't have any baggage from his backstory, it's the most pulpy action.

[@nimrodd000]

Regarding the Indiana Jones films, I haven't seen the most recent, but I didn't think Crystal Skull was any worse than Temple of Doom. I had found that the films were kind of an inverse of the Star Trek movies: where the even-numbered Star Trek movies are the "good" ones, with Indy the "odd" numbered ones are the "good" ones. I would love to see you guys do the Indiana Jones movies when you're done with trek, or possible as a side thing. Incidentally, as an archaeology major in college, the front page of our textbook had a picture of Indiana Jones captioned "Don't be that guy."

[@Carwyn.Morris]

The line "I lost a brother once" was a reference to Sam and also a misdirect.

[@philfitnesspt6139]

No he is talking about spock as he states he got him back

[@Carwyn.Morris]

​@@philfitnesspt6139 Again it a misdirect, that's why he says it so you think he's talking about one thing but he's actually talking about something else.

[@jamesgoss1860]

It was considered a blooper. The novelization changed it to: "I lost two brothers, I was lucky to get one of them back."

[@MegaToronto1]

Writer/Producer Harve Bennett was the Starfleet Admiral at the beginning who sent Kirk to Nimbus III.

[@nealwhaley63]

An intergalactic example of falling in love with your therapist.

[@rayvenkman2087]

Or doing a Persona 5 Royal before it was a thing.

[@ThatJunkman]

After they gonna do release order for TNG and DS9. When the aired during the same time

[@m.e.3862]

I’m glad you guys got something out of it. Personally by the final act I was bored and beyond caring about the plot. Meh. Can’t wait for your ST6 reaction 😊

[@radioflyer68911]

In STIV the new Enterprsie is launched then the very next time we see it it has another brand new bridge and not everything is working very good.

[@zotaninoron3548]

I'm eager to see the reaction to 6. It was the first Star Trek movie I'd ever seen in theater once I got really into Next Generation.

[@wrorchestra1]

The Enterprise-A isn't a new ship. It's another 20 year old Constitution class that's been refit and renamed - was the USS Yorktown.

[@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage]

You guys should watch The Adventures Of Baron VonMunchausen sometime. Comedy with great effects and Robin Williams.