STAR WARS EPISODE VIII: THE LAST JEDI | FIRST TIME WATCHING | MOVIE REACTION

[@Dontuween]

"Something changed. It feels like something else". Exactly the same way many of us felt about the Cantobite scenes.

[@dvsninja2]

"This vibe just got so weird" Exactly what fans think of this trilogy.

[@WolfODonnelfan]

I actually really enjoy this Star Wars movie, but I have a special way of viewing it. I only watch the scenes that follow the story of Kylo and Rey and then I skip everything else. That way, it's an excellent (although short) Star Wars movie.

[@Dragonpuncher123]

“All Finn’s lines sounds like something from a high school play” I never thought about it before, but this is so spot on. His dialogue has a real Spy Kids/Disney Channel vibe.

[@Shad0w5carab]

And it gets even worse in Episode 9. Could have been such a good character if they wrote him well

[@portalina]

George Lucas defends the campy dialogue all throughout the saga. They do it on purpose. The biggest problem with the sequels is that they didn’t have a coherent plan for the three movies. And this one torpedoed so many storylines.

[@TheRealBamboonga]

I think it's more that he isn't a good actor. As cheesy as some of those lines are, I think every single one of them could have been delivered more convincingly by literally anybody else on the face of the Earth.

[@obijuan-kenobi5117]

Yeah in Ep 7 I thought he was the best character with the most potential. There's so much they could've done with his arc but he gets relegated to side quests in this movie.

[@coreywolf49]

@@Shad0w5carab FINN! How come you bloody can't hit anything!

[@JedHead77]

“No one’s ever really gone.” R.I.P. Carrie Fisher 🥀🙏🏼😔

[@StephenLuke]

Her mother sadly died the next day. 😭

[@toddjohnson5176]

Unfortunately. They were phenomenal people.👍🏾👍🏾❤

[@JedHead77]

@@andrewcabral963 Physically

[@NarcisoSanchez]

I loved the movie... what caught me off guard was the end credits that still gets me Feely was the dedication... “In loving memory of our princess, Carrie Fisher.”

[@ThatJunkman]

@@andrewcabral963 no. Long as we have the memory of someone they not really gone :)

[@elpujamenos3280]

and that right there, are the sequels in a nutshell : "I feel it lead to nothing".

[@merchillio]

18:37 “that’s pretty” Opinions are pretty polarized regarding that movie, but one thing is undeniable, it is visually stunning. So many scenes could be a painting.

[@Bai_Su_Zhen]

Yeah. Just about all there is to the movie. It looks nice.

[@merchillio]

@@Bai_Su_Zhen TLJ > TPM > TFA TPM had two good things: 1- it was the first Star Wars movie we got after decades of watching the OT on VHS 2- Darth Maul, but he was criminally underused TFA had only one good thing: it didn’t have Jar Jar Binks

[@hairywelder5188]

The throne room fight is definitely amazing to look at but is so choreographed it's ridiculous

[@erainmartinez8175]

I can't they live though that 10:26

[@RealityIsTheNow]

Yes, say what you will about the creative decisions...but the camera work is simply next level. Its a masterpiece with the volume turned down.

[@thedoneeye]

"Oh Luke...he's a hobbit on a hill. Hermit!!" Cassie you are sooo adorkable!! Don't ever change!

[@unblinkingear]

Aren't you a little tall for a hobbit?

[@jowbloe3673]

@@unblinkingear - Tall for a hobbit, short for a Storm Trooper, just can't win.

[@jokerswild7290]

Rian Johnson said the same thing.

[@Chemical_Argentum]

Aye! Luke should have been absolutely perfect!

[@Bagofsoup]

Cassie, no matter what you think of the sequel trilogy, I would bet everything I own that you will love the Mandalorian tv show. Not only is it some of the very best star wars in 40 years(!) but you will love Mando and his surprise buddy. Only 8 episodes each for 2 seasons so far, but so worth doing on the channel. Your love for star wars will be back to full power!

[@providedyeti1518]

The clone wars and rogue one were not made 40 years ago

[@zxephin]

I concur

[@NYBravest82]

i cannot wait till she gets to that

[@hyperborean2576]

She will enjoy it, but not as much as the new trilogy. The Mandalorian is the best thing Star Wars since Return of the Jedi, but she's not gonna understand it's value.

[@evrencagin]

Book of boba fett is good, too.

[@Vaeshkar]

"We are going Rogue ... Two". Best line in Star Wars History. Thank you.

[@Keanine]

35:05 competes for the worst and most unintentionally funny scene ever. Rose almost kills Finn, then tells him they'll save people they love while the cannon goes off in the background, signalling that all the people they love are vulnerable and about to die, and to cap it off there's a kiss WHILE that happens and then she just collapses from exhaustion. Who thought that scene was a good idea, it was executed so weirdly?? In fact all the scenes with Finn and Rose just felt like a completely different bland fantasy movie. Kylo is probably the only good thing about this movie to me. I really can't think of anything else I like, especially with how they cut all of the plot threads from force awakens off, and created no new ones for the next film to use aside from "let's beat the first order".

[@n2nother]

They didn’t cut off literally any of the plot threads from the first movie. Not a one.

[@Keanine]

@@n2nother I haven't watched the movies in a long time so I could have missed stuff or I may misremember, not to mention my memory is currently based on Lego Skywalker Saga. (Which is actually better than the film it's based on due to trimming and reshuffling imo) But a couple threads that get dropped are Kylo returning to Snoke to finish his training, anything to do with who the Knights of Ren are, where they are etc. Then you have much less important stuff like the origin of how Maz Kanata got ahold of Anakins lightsaber. We also never found out about Snoke or how the first order started, but that was more Force Awakens job to do even if Last Jedi could have picked up the pieces. They also never explained why Luke left a map to find him when according to Rian he never wanted to be found. Then you get down to the FAR more subjective stuff, like how Luke looked scared and amazed that Rey was on the island at the end of Force Awakens, and then in the same scene in TLJ he's grumpy and miserable. Oh and I didn't mention how Finn's development gets reset and he gets a repeat of a very similar arc he already went through, despite his story being setup to be a proper hero now

[@CoffeeMatt10]

“Who thought that scene was a good idea?” Ruin Johnson! I watched the behind the scenes featurette, and it’s now burned in my mind the sight of him giggling like a child who found the key to the candy store, he was in way over his head and destroyed everything Abrams set up. The fact it took multiple writers and directors to salvage Episode IX says it all for what Ruin did in this Episode.

[@Keanine]

@@CoffeeMatt10 It's a shame because he's a brilliant writer and director, he just didn't know how to handle Star Wars by the looks of it

[@matthewsmith2979]

@@Keanine I feel he's better at things he has full control over creating. He didn't understand Star Wars and that lack of understanding just led him to do whatever he wanted continuity be damned.

[@JeffersonMills]

“We’re going rogue… two.” 😆 ♥️ Also, don’t ever apologize for telling us your thoughts afterwards!

[@Ryan_Dye-r]

42:00 "It felt different" That's because The Last Jedi was directed by a different director than The Force Awakens & he went in a different direction.

[@vquoi2]

The writers never had a clear storyline pre-planned. They just made up each movie as they went along in the trilogy with no idea how the story was going to conclude (a cardinal sin in writing). They kept changing things up until the last minute. JJ admitted he was still working on edits right up to the day before release.

[@Ryan_Dye-r]

@@vquoi2 Yup. That was part of the problem.

[@mike-mz6yz]

its more then that though. The originals had three different directors and were totally different movies but they all felt like the same franchise. The big difference is you had nobody at the top creating the story. It didn't have to be George Lucas, but you need someone in his position.

[@sterling557]

It felt different because it was filled with Propaganda and WOKE nonsense.

[@juliangrant9718]

"This vibe got so weird" I remember that moment I went "wtf am I watching?" It's so assuring to witness someone else react to same the timestamp where everything just falls apart..

[@jayz4dayz763]

Exactly how I felt lol. I was like thank god someone else reacted the same lol

[@28starwarsfan]

I still don't know about the line... "The legacy of the Jedi is failure." It's a theme and a nice message Yoda teaches, but the Jedi were the guardians of peace (even relative peace) for a thousand generations before failing in the prequels. Even then, the Empire reigned for just under three decades. Not much compared to a thousand generations. That sounds like a pretty good legacy to me.

[@aaronreale67]

It's true though, it doesn't matter that they had a thousand generations of peace, their legacy is defined by the fact that they got so prideful and full of themselves that they couldn't even tell that they were being used by The Sith to destroy themselves and hand over the Galaxy to tyranny. Think of it this way, if a guy is essentially a perfect husband and father for years, but then through his own hubris and pride gets his wife and children killed, nobody is going to be talking about his legacy being a good husband and father for all those years, they are going to be talking about how it ended.

[@28starwarsfan]

@@aaronreale67 yeah, but that example is one person. The legacy of one era of Jedi was failure when they lost sight of their own principles. At that time Qui Gon was the only true Jedi, the rest had lost sight of the right way. But that was just one era. For generations before that the true principles of the Jedi had led to peace and freedom for countless beings across the galaxy.

[@aaronreale67]

@@28starwarsfan Of course the example is one person but it's still applicable. The whole point is in Luke's mind all that was undone because the Jedi did lose their principles, and then Luke comes along thinking he is going to make it all better and falls into the exact same failure they did. BUT in the end he realizes his position of "Jedi must end" was wrong and that instead of fearing failure, you learn from it and pass it on. It's wonderful character growth.

[@geetadhumane5793]

I always thought of that he is speaking about the stupidity of the Jedi order....Like the way the Jedi behave in clone wars, especially the Ahsoka stuff from season 5, we get to see the how disillusioned the Jedi became due to the war.....but yeah at the end Luke realised that the order and it's rules might be stupid....but the Galaxy needs saviours

[@geetadhumane5793]

@@aaronreale67 thank you for that....after all there are many people whining that now even thinking about Luke's character makes me go insane

[@Critical_mtb]

"We're going rogue...two!" Lmao that was priceless and the nodding knowing what she just did lol 😆

[@benjaminguzman8645]

You know the actor who plays Luke, Mark Hamill has said multiple times that he "fundamentally disagreed" with the new writer and director Rian Johnson on how he wrote the character in this movie saying that Luke would never talk or act like this.

[@rockindocs5716]

I did really like the part on the salt flats though. Just too bad they made Luke act like such a douchewaffle in the 1st half of the movie

[@Chemical_Argentum]

No cause he should be absolutely perfect!

[@benjaminguzman8645]

@@Chemical_Argentum Luke was never perfect and he shouldn't be. but this is just not Luke's character.

[@Chemical_Argentum]

@@benjaminguzman8645 Yes he should! Don't get me wrong, if you don't like TLJ, I don't blame you! I personally can see how he got to the place where he's at, in the movie, but I still buy some arguments that says the opposite. But I am simply saying; have you even heard people? They litterally crave that he should be God-like. And tbh, if he became that, I don't think many people would complain

[@benjaminguzman8645]

@@Chemical_Argentum It's fine that he'll be a little bitter and haunted but making him almost kill his nephew and abandoning his sister's call for help is just not in his character. And no, making him god-like would not fix everything. Luke was never perfect and no character should be perfect.

[@Dash277]

20:00 "Something changed. It feels like something else. I can't explain it." EXACTLY.

[@SonicImmersion_]

I felt that way when I had previously watched this movie too. And I felt it early on in the movie, right when Luke threw the lightsaber over his shoulder. In contrast, "The Force Awakens" had ended on such a memorable scene, Rey finally finding Luke Skywalker, and extending out her arm to hand him back his lightsaber, all while the aerial camera is rotating around them above this majestic mountainous island. But then, in this "Last Jedi" movie, when Luke destroys that scene by disrespecting Rey's humble gesture, the feel is definitely different than that of the classic 3 originals and The Force Awakens. My favorite Star Wars movies have been "Rogue One" and "The Empire Strikes Back", both for their relative realism.

[@jetfowl]

You know, everything in this movie takes place in the 18 hours the rebellion ships had left of fuel. Rey's training, the jaunt to Vegas in space, the night in jail, all of it.

[@callmeshaggy5166]

Kylo was the standout star in this movie, without question.

[@michaelgoodyear9369]

Yea, gotta give it up for Kylo. He's the best thing about the movie. Mark Hamil's acting was really good too.

[@davidkornback3013]

BEEEEEN!

[@ajclannachan]

I felt so sorry for all the actors involved. They truly got let down and had to face the negativity that came with been in such bad movies. Kylo should have been the vader of his generation. A truly scary yet redeemable character. It shows how talented the actors are to even make any of these movies work

[@Chicaeditz]

@@michaelgoodyear9369 He's the best thing about the 7,8 and 9. My favourite films are 3 and 9

[@SMacCuUladh]

@@Chicaeditz 9 is terrible, empire is the best.

[@mikeycham3643]

I feel you about the deaths going by without proper reverence. One of the things I love about Rogue One, is how much they made us feel it when the protagonists went out.

[@clarkmichaels822]

Yeah, I was so sad when Generic Pilot died for no reason, and Generic Blind Guy killed himself, and Generic Shooty Man sacrificed himself for no reason, and then in the end of course Generic Woman and Generic Side-Kick also had to sit down and die for no reason. Powerful stuff.

[@grunt9950]

That's still the director's fault.

[@sup9542]

​@@clarkmichaels822 Well...it's been done in other movies, where you feel the pain of random characters. It's not like it hasn't been done.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

@@clarkmichaels822 Valid. ...from your point of view.

[@cryptc]

@@clarkmichaels822 I'm dead lol 😂

[@jssonstillwell3243]

I'll admit that a big part of why I watch this channel is to hear how many time @popcorninbed says, oh my gosh and what makes her say it.

[@DANRAIRIGH]

THANK YOU! I'm a huge Star Wars fan but I never understood what was so great about this movie. It's all over the place, and it always gets so much credit for "subverting expectations" .... but like, if the story is poorly written, how does it win points for subverting expectations? By being bad? The whole sequel trilogy suffers from directors and creative staff fighting over the main plot, so I think the root of the problem is the Abrams vs. Johnson battle over how the saga should end. This movie is visually stunning, but that just goes to show you that the majority of movie audiences this day in age just go to the movies to "ooo" and "ahh" at pretty effects, cheap shticks, Marvel-style humor, and unconvincing/unimaginative plot developments.

[@eliroth9978]

That's not really what happened at all. JJ Abrams approved Rian Johnson's script and even expressed disappointment he'd be unable to direct it. Rise of Skywalker felt so disconnected because Abrams and Terrio had to step in last moment to replace the original writer/director.

[@tomislavrasic7766]

Actually the poor plot DESTROYED even the visuals, even when they are top or groundbreaking we are already used to that.There is no wow factor in seeing space battles or creatures or whatever. Its almost common. I didn't go to see how the spaceships look i went to see how the story continues and i was so disappointed, its garbage.

[@mcapps1]

@@eliroth9978 Rian Johnson is garbage. And JJ Abrams has just as big a hand and ruining this franchise as he did Star Trek.

[@leistico]

“Subverting expectations”. We expected a good story and good characters.

[@Prime209z]

I don't think anyone anywhere ever said this movie was great

[@NSnicket]

“What are those?” Porgs? They’re just the cutest little merchandising opportunity. 😉

[@ericmorneau7758]

Too bad not many people liked them.

[@carlosrvra]

CASSIE: “Something’s changed. It feels like something else.” OBI WAN: “Trust your feelings Cassie. There’s a disturbance in the Tone.” Also, I kinda wish Luke was a force ghost from the start (with the caveat that force ghosts can dampen their glow, and we just didn't know that, or we only see their glow when they're in the dark or something). Thought that would be a great twist. ALSO, also, I know they didn't know they wouldn't have Carrie for the third movie, but it should have been Leia flying that ship into the other ship. I wasn't invested in Laura Dern's character (as they had worked double time to make her seem incompetent only to reveal that maybe she wasn't in her last 20 minutes), so her sacrifice didn't hit too hard. On the other hand, what a bad-ass way for Leia to exit the franchise if it was her & not Dern's character.

[@oscardiggs246]

Your insight serves you well, Cassie.

[@Stuffthatsfunny1]

Yeah, as you say about Carrie they clearly were planning on using her a lot in the third film. episode 7 is about Han, 8 Luke, 9 would have been Leia. Because of this the sacrifice should have been done by Akbar, at least we know him.

[@Ryan_Dye-r]

Rose's short speech about saving Finn completely contradicts Purple hair Holdo's sacrifice.

[@robbob5302]

I wish Luke had just stayed alive at the end. And marched in alongside Rey to fight the Sith. Either with or without Kylo. The whole point of the first movie was to find Luke. Killing Luke in the second movie, kind of negates the point of the first movie.

[@friofrost09]

26:03 the "window" is a shield. It makes sure that who's in that part of the ship don't get sucked into space. Only laser beams and ships can pass through it, for exemple, TIE fighters and their laser blasts

[@blinkachu5275]

A Dreadnought is basically : a type of battleship introduced in the early 20th century, larger and faster than its predecessors and equipped entirely with large-calibre guns Which Sci-Fi took to mean: Large ship with large guns basically

[@andromidius]

And didn't last long as a concept. Dreadnoughts were too expensive and unwieldy and didn't do the job better then several smaller vessels for the same price. Not to mention aircraft basically made them obsolete almost immediately.

[@foo-foocuddlypoops5694]

​@@andromidius It took the better part of 42 years for the Dreadnought to become obsolete, hardly immediate.

[@noHOPEof]

~ Poe went through with destroying it ( not elaborating on any scientific lessons - here ) IT surely would have followed them through similar hyperspace lanes ~ as well. *(* Forcecenter's c a l m , three individual discourse -- full Ep. VIII Commentary ~ indeed could *\ \* should be viewed at least once *)*

[@Fabermain]

oversimplification, the dreadnought class when arrived did make every other navi ship in the world obsolete. its not because it was faster larger or better, but because it was better by miles compared to anything else alive when it arrived.

[@Fabermain]

@@andromidius it lasted not long because it was so much more advanced than anything else built before it, everything else had to be tossed away in order to fight it on even terms so new had to be built. its effect was that of the atom bomb. sure as long as you have the only ones you are a world power. but if others get them you are only on pair with them and 42 years isnt a short term. og back and watch mroe of those 15 min youtube vids about everything

[@jahrolo]

One if not THE biggest disappointment for me is the fact that they couldn´t make it happen to unite the whole original cast in at least one scene. Instead they destroyed every single one of them.

[@hairywelder5188]

Forgot about the bombers , ffs . And don't get me started on the slow speed chase where two of the characters nick off for a weekend break, come back and the pursuit is still on 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@rd2234]

Yeah, that was lazy writing. Essentially they are trapped being chased and no way to escape, never mind the fact that characters easily come & go undetected from the ship being chased. Huh?

[@kilroy987]

You're saying the movie turned weird on the gambling planet? Yeah, you're not the only one. Lots of people had a problem with this movie. The withholding of the plan from Poe was pointless. Rian Johnson did what he wanted with this movie, and I don't understand why no one stopped him. But I did like the hint that the Force was going in a new direction, and you're right, it all dropped and things just reset again.

[@ThreeElves]

Poe just disobeyed an order, was responsible for the loss of the whole bomber squad of the Resistance and got demoted for that. And his new commanding officer, who doesn't know him like Leia does, not trusting him and not telling him anything about her plans is really unrealistic?

[@sirjedisentinel]

Withholding the plan was pointless huh? Even though Poe's eagerness for victory and glory cost the Resistance an entire fleet to take down ONE ship. I mean if Poe knew, what's the worst that could happen? He'd vehemently and vocally disagree with it and come up with his own plan? Stage a coup and enact his own plan, sending two people onto the capitol ship of the First Order in what would most likely be a suicide miss--oh!

[@theendistheend123]

@@ThreeElves Why WOULDN'T you tell him?!?! "We are gonna evacuate and hide on that planet down there." WHY would she need to keep that a secret? Was she afraid Poe was gonna defect and tell the first order?!?!? It was all bad writing. A way to create drama for no practical reason

[@sirjedisentinel]

@@theendistheend123 once he knew what she was doing, he staged a coup Like seriously, if the Resistance were a real military, EVERYTHING Poe does in this movie (until Crait) would get him court-martialed and dishonorably discharged

[@benoitgauthier6998]

@@theendistheend123 Because of spies, after all that what got the plan derailed in the first and last place. Also twice in the movie he didn't follow the orders, killed people and organize a coup....so yeah if yyou don't personally know him, don't trust him. You don't tell a secret plan to someone who don't deserve to hear it. That's the concept of a secret. The same could applied to the hacker who did blew the secret.

[@TheRealBamboonga]

40:12 - "...if this was like a war movie..." Yes. If this was like a war movie. But in the stars. Like some kind of 'star' war movie...

[@tylerferguson3707]

People didn't really dislike TFA its this movie that really enraged the fans.

[@Jasandiz]

TFA was a reboot copying the OG, how would be it heated? It was called unoriginal, but not heated

[@mike-mz6yz]

i think people would look at TFA better if all the questions from that movie were actually followed up with something. Instead its like TFA=heres a bunch of mysteries for ya TLJ=your stupid for wanting answers ROS=ignore everything from TLJ

[@frightenedsoul]

@@Jasandizheated? Lmao

[@DanSolo871]

George Lucas has his nine episodic serial to be three parts Anakin, three parts Luke, then three parts Leia and her offspring. But Disney ignored Lucas’ story ideas. The legends books even had the offspring of Leia and Han be twins. One fan revisioned the story where Ben solo and Rey were the twins but the protagonist was Finn, an imperial trooper with force capabilities. It was Finn who seeks out Luke and it was Finn who would become the Last Jedi.

[@StalKalle]

Originally, Finn was supposed to be force sensitive. But they completely scrapped that idea in this movie. Rey was most likely originally supposed to be Luke's daughter (in The Force Awakens video game Ben calls her cousin) but Kathleen Kennedy was determined to end the Skywalker saga.

[@lordpuller2226]

@@kenknowlton3085 Why would Finn be the hero? Isn't he an unskilled coward and basically a shrimp? It would seem weird to have Rey fall for goofy Finn. Poe would be a more adequate choice. Leaders get the girl, not sidekicks.

[@lordpuller2226]

@@kenknowlton3085 Huh? You can't say they that. Disney has made the black guy the star before. What about Sneakerella? Or The Black Panther? Or Falcon and Winter Soldier? I'm not sure what your point is?

[@lordpuller2226]

@@kenknowlton3085 Sounds like you have a problem with China, not Disney.

[@joelwillems4081]

And Lucas was the problem. NO ONE cares about the stupid Skywalker family. They are incompetent blunderers at best. They are neither good nor bad so they're not good heroes nor villians. Should have ended with the first three films he made and let others explore the Star Wars universe without dwelling on the Skywalkers.

[@theleaderoftheworld]

"How is she doing that?" That's something we'd all like to know.

[@j9lorna]

Admiral "its a trap!!" Ackbar was treated like a throwaway chump in this and I cannot forgive them for that.

[@maltlicky4149]

Not to mention mon motha , luke skywalker, princess leia

[@j9lorna]

@@jimlight5137 no, forget the meme, I'm talking about a well loved and legendary character just being tossed away for me real reason. If anyone should have been at the helm while ramming, it should have been him

[@j9lorna]

@@jimlight5137 speak for yourself, fans know all about him. Some of us are older than the meme kiddo

[@j9lorna]

@@jimlight5137 i saw ep4 at the movies when it was still star wars

[@j9lorna]

@@jimlight5137 not far off. Do you think that disqualifies me or something? That life long fans don't get to have a say?

[@garlicjrmade6409]

This girl is a movie watching machine and im so glad i get to watch her react to the sequels after all this time.

[@pleutron]

everybody made a big stink about man fans not liking the Rose character, but nobody said much about Fin being pushed to the backburner to not matter much. by ep-9, he's just... "there". Fin had the potential and making to be a huge character and they fell so flat on that one. after hearing Boyega in interviews, i'm not a fan of him, but his character could have been so much more. edit: and Snoke had the potential to be the biggest baddie of the sequels. instead he was killed off like a 2nd rate padawan. then turning leia into a harry potter reject was just sad

[@Konel333]

I couldn't agree more! Finn had the greatest potential. Former stormtrooper realizing he was on the wrong side, doing evil things and rejecting it all, but he still has all this training, possibly some PTSD, and certainly should have been much more of the focus of a First Order manhunt. Instead, all that was forgotten about, and he became just another guy in the resistance, and even his showdown with Captain Phasma was unsatisfying.

[@Qualimar]

"I get that they made this really cool island..." Heh. They used an actual island, Skellig Michael off the Irish coast (the stone huts are the remains of a real medieval monastery.) Though to be completely fair the real Skellig Michael does not have cow-walrus aliens that provide green milk.

[@brians48now]

Are you sure they don't have those cow-walrus critters on that island? I feel like they might have but for obvious reasons don't want that information to get out.

[@Deailon]

When you said it was a real island I started packing to see the cow-walruses. And then my dreams were shattered. How could you?

[@Dularr]

But it is covered with birds. The porg was used to cover up the birds.

[@miker252]

Now I understand! Green Irish milk...

[@rsolsjo]

"You can be really evil and still love your mom". Well said. 😂 Two little details at the end I missed or nearly missed: Rey took the Jedi texts with her, you see them briefly in the Falcon. Didn't notice that for like..three watches, haha. The kid at the very end (stable boy) uses the Force to grab the broom, implying that there may be a new Jedi order. Don't.. hold your breath on that though. 😂 I like the Kylo and Rey stuff in this movie, even a lot of the Luke scenes. My main issue is that it spends so much time trying to break down all the typical Star Wars tropes: forget everything you know, we're doing the opposite! And then.. it reverts everything back. It goes back to good vs. evil, Rey vs. Kylo, the entire movie goes in one big circle, literally even, for over two hours.

[@bryondavis2173]

If someone buys it from Disney we may get back to the good stuff

[@robbob5302]

Watch for the stable boy. The sequels will never end. Resisting guaranteed profit is like holding your breath underwater. You can only do it for so long.

[@willdanielson3583]

I also liked the Rey/Kylo dynamic, and agree with the whole 'subverting expectations' thing that Johnson talked about ad nauseum; if they had Kylo propose joining the light and dark side and creating something new, THAT would have been actual subverting expecations, not 'he's a thief with a heart of gold...until he isn't'

[@Sandlund93]

@@robbob5302 The sequels and Solo proved that profit isn't guaranteed. 9 only brought half of what 7 did, that's a disaster for something like Star Wars. If anything, the ending of a decent trilogy should bring in more money than the first two parts. And Solo was a literal disaster profitwise. That's why they stopped making movies, they were gonna keep pumping one out each year. Instead they realized that they are gonna have to start respecting their IP if they wanna keep the fanbase.

[@neutrino78x]

@@Sandlund93 "Instead they realized that they are gonna have to start respecting their IP if they wanna keep the fanbase." Yeah but it will always be "woke", dude. The whole point of Star Wars is that racists, bigots and right wing extremists are the bad guys. So if you look at Donald Trump and see a great man who is a good role model for kids and someone who should be in the white house, star wars is never going to be for you, my friend. The original trilogy had you as a bad guy, too.

[@trewhite7903]

we can agree to disagree for sure but personally this one is my favorite of the entire saga - it moves things in such interesting directions and carries so many rich themes and awesome Star Wars-y moments. i think it alienated those who had a certain perception on what star wars should be, but the whole point of a sequel, imo, is to build on and grow past what came before. if every movie just “feels like star wars”, that’s how the franchise becomes niche and lost to time ❤

[@calebcosman]

Adam driver is fantastic in every scene. A great villain who shows emotional colors on the whole spectrum. In some scenes you identify with and love him and others he goes full villain and you're appalled. Well done to him!

[@robogreek3157]

Horrible villian...HORRIBLE

[@sterling557]

The whole helmet thing was ridiculous. Halloween costume merch Darth Vader needed his to breathe. Kylo wasn't a stormtrooper.

[@bigalthetank]

I saw this at the second showing on Thursday night the weekend it came out. Went into work on Friday, my co-worker asks "How was The Last Jedi?" me: "I'm not sure."

[@frozenpiper2]

That was how my friends and I felt. I did plan on watching again to see if I still felt the same but I never really wanted to see it again.

[@Luggi83]

I too wasn't at first. Now I know it's a total dumpster fire: You have to look at it and it spends some warmth at first, but in the end it's just bad smelling crap.

[@Luggi83]

@@frozenpiper2 TFA was the only new one I rewatched. It's kinda tragic.

[@existenceisrelative]

That was exactly my experience watching The Phantom Menace. Except i was young enough that it was the first time such a thing had happened.

[@Pit_Wizard]

I remember the first thing I said to my friends as we walked out of the theater: "I think Star Wars has changed." I didn't mean it in a good way.

[@ciscoponch67]

At timestamp 33:27, where the character tastes the soil and says, "Salt!" To his right looking at him, was the director of Rogue One, Garreth Edwards. And in Rogue One when the green laser is fired from the Death Star, one of the two Techs was Rian Johnson. The director of this movie. 😊

[@sterling557]

Thanks.

[@DSOImager]

Dropping bombs... in space...

[@steven4114]

Laser blasts curving down to hit things.

[@sterling557]

From slow moving, lumbering bombers..

[@GreasyWeenus]

The moment Luke throws the lightsaber over his shoulder, I knew this wasnt going to be good

[@LordVolkov]

I guess you hated the end of RotJ then, when Luke throws away his saber? It's just a sword dude. He already made another. Get over it.

[@Iomtuu]

@@LordVolkov What a dumb answer ... its just a "sword" its the fucking light saber of his father he helped redeemed . This scene makes no sense

[@ArmouredPhalanx]

For whatever it's worth, The Force Awakens was co-written by Lawrence Kasdan, who also co-wrote The Empire Strikes Back, and would also work on Return of the Jedi and Solo, so there was at least one experienced writer involved. JJ Abrams, for all of his various criticisms as a director, is also a genuine Star Wars fan. I think this is why, of the sequel trilogy, that one felt the most Star Wars-y (yes, it's also a retread of Episode IV, but that's not what makes it 'feel' like Star Wars). Rian Johnson is a good director, with some really fun, interesting ideas (Knives Out is great, for example)... but he loves 'subverting expectations'. I don't think the 8th episode in a 9 episode story arc is the place to subvert expectations, especially when some people have been waiting for 40+ years to see how the story ends. That, and I think there was a lot of fat that could have been trimmed (the entire Canto Bight/infiltration mission seemed unnecessary), and intentional disregard for what was established in the first film (Finn is basically reset to the moment he ran away from the First Order), and Luke is very out of character. Annnnyway... yeah, it doesn't get much better from here, unfortunately (arguably worse... Chris Terrio being involved is the first clue)

[@trentonmiller4366]

I think we can all agree that Kylo Ren carried the sequel trilogy. Has a pretty interesting backstory and probably has the most character development out of all the characters.

[@Vulkanprimarch]

And they totally neglected to flesh him out or give more insight into why he didn't like his parents or the new republic. Like what happened to make him reject his parents ideals and want power and control with an authoritarian regime. Was Han a lousy and selfish dad??? Did Leia struggle to relate to her son?

[@foilhattiest1]

Yes, it was just unfortunate that he spent the whole time acting like a spoiled little 5-year old brat, sulking around pouting and throwing temper tantrums as soon as he didn't get his way. That made it completely impossible to respect him as a villain imho, especially when he'd been preceeded by people like Darth Vader, Maul and Palpatine.

[@alexhunter0815]

Not for me

[@hectorborzelli6418]

I can’t agree to that. There are 0 things that I feel carried this trilogy.

[@jennym2276]

@@foilhattiest1 I liked that about him. Showed he was struggling with it. He wasn't really dark or a sith just a poser. I do want to know what happened in his childhood that led him down this path. Was Han always away? What happened there?

[@sulljoh1]

Adam Driver's acting is fantastic He does everything he can to save the character from the dual of the bad directors

[@OrangePony75]

The audacity in calling Rian Johnson (Brick, Looper, Knives Out, some of the best Breaking Bad episodes) a “bad” director because he did a movie you didn’t like.

[@sulljoh1]

@@OrangePony75 I could say "directors who produced other compelling movies in the past but, when given an opportunity to create something new and interesting descended into a childish dual of cheap nostalgia vs banal moralizing that alienated just about every Star Wars fan"

[@gabrieldevoogel6225]

@@OrangePony75 that’s fair, he’s not a bad director, he’s a bad fantasy adventure movie produced by a company who didn’t reasonably save it by giving a talented writer a plan to follow, he’s Actually a good director and both Adam Driver Mark Hamil, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega especially, all of them acted well both because they are good actors and had a good director

[@gabrieldevoogel6225]

@@sulljoh1 it’s not that hes a bad director man, just not suited for Star Wars

[@MrKevinFHaney]

I think they are all excellent actors especially Rey and Ben

[@Mark-in8ju]

3:30 A dreadnought is a ship that dreads nothing

[@mikeyc2110]

The saddest thing for me about this movie is how admiral ackbar was killed and noone acknowledges this

[@camsBFIIclips]

I mean he was mostly a joke. Funny sounding fish admiral who had the funny line in EP6

[@Jarsia]

@@andyrobin7196 That's something a surface level fan would say. Ackbar was HUGE in the expanded universe

[@MeisterMaximilian]

I absolutley love everything this movie is doing regarding to Rey, Kylo, Luke and Snoke. I have some problems with the whole Holdo, Poe, Finn, Rose story part. But I don't dislike that part enough to overshadow the parts I loved about it. Some people seem to overlook that the overarching theme of this movie is failure and what failure means for personal growth. Luke failed Ben, when he let his emotions control him in the flashback, and then lived as a hermit for away from everything. Snoke failed by thinking he fully controls Kylo. Rey fails by holding on to the hope that she can redeem Ben by herself. Holdo failed by being so secretive about her plan and her overall leading style. Finn and Rose failed their mission to canto Bight by trusting an obviously untrustworthy person. Poe fails by not listening to his surperior officers and gets dozens of people killed while he's hotheaded in the cockpit. But we shouldn't judge them by their failures, but by their growth form it: Luke realized he was wrong about the jedi needing to end and rescues the resistance by the most jedi act ever: Defending the helpless in an non-aggressive way and meanwhile inspiring a new generation of Jedi and the entire galaxy. Snoke doesn't learn from his failures and gets sliced in half. Rey accepts that she can't hold onto her past and that she can't redeem Kylo, so she moves on and fullfills her potential by becoming a jedi. Holdo has to clean up the mess her leading style created and does it in the most noble was possible, by sacrificing herself (not some subordinate) to safe the resistance fleet. Finn stops trying to run away and accepts his calling as a true "rebel" and he fights for the freedom he believes hin and is even willing to sacrifice himself for his friends. And finally Poe learns that his hot-headedness may be useful in a cockpit while dogfighting Tie-Fighters, but isn't what a true leaders needs. He steps up to the role of leader in the cave on Crait becomes calm and thinks about the best way out (following the foxes). But regardless if you like the movie, the theme or the characterization in the movie or if you hated all of it. You cannot deny Rian Johnsons pure passion for this project. And just saying "the filmmakers didn't care for Star Wars" is a brazen lie and not a solid argument. Just look at any behind the scenes stuff and you will see, that this trilogy is a trilogy made by true Star Wars fans. Yes, I have problems with this film. Yes, I fully agree with your description of finns dialogue in this movie. Yes, I cringe everytime I hear Roses last line, too. Yes, I think Holdos perspective could have benefited by a bit more time (now she just seems unlikeable and incompetent most of the time). But I still love the movie a bit more everytime I watch it and I catch a new amazing details nearly every time I see it..

[@urfaes6878]

We didn't over look it. We were not SHOWN it. Can you imagine how awesome it would have been to see the Knights of Ren? Who are the Knights of Ran? We will never know. That's why this trilogy failed. Edit to add : Rian Johnson is a bitch. Where's Snoke and the Knight of Ren?

[@MeisterMaximilian]

@@urfaes6878 We were shown in Episode IX. But I have much more problems with that movie, than I have problems with this. Also there are really no reasons to insult that man. Even if you don't like his movie. And everything I said in my comment above was shown in the movie.

[@urfaes6878]

@@MeisterMaximilian No, every EXCUSE you made for this move was listed above. And that is disappointing.

[@urfaes6878]

@@MeisterMaximilian Cause I'll just ask you. "Ok, who are the Knights of Ren?"

[@MeisterMaximilian]

@@urfaes6878 The Knights of Ren were a concept teased by J.J. Abrams and they weren't needed for this movie. You can interpret this movie in the way, that the knights of Ren are Luke's students who decided to side with Kylo and followed him. But the knights of ren simply weren't important to the story of this movie in any way. So I don't understand why you are trying to say this movie was bad, because they didn't introduced the knights of ren in a bigger role?

[@Scar-Predator]

Something I love about the opening of TLJ is Poe referred to Hux as "General Hugs". It's most noticeable is when Hux says his name after Poe calls him "Hugs".

[@Scar-Predator]

I also love the Porgs, the bird things on Ahch-To, the island Luke was on, which only exist because the island they were filming the Ahch-To scenes was a puffin reserve and they couldn't move the birds, so they just made the Porgs.

[@MrEvenStranger]

It was easy to miss, but the young boy at the end reached for the broom, and it levitated to his hand. The movie ends with him looking at the stars and holding the broom handle like a lightsaber. Proof that the Jedi aren't gone forever.

[@fixipszikon6670]

No, that kid is not proof. Little Anakin could use the Force, and was not a Jedi. A Jedi is a member of the Jedi Order.

[@rex8329]

Or just that the force isn't gone forever, and never will be

[@capowable]

Then he opened his Burger King ring 😂

[@patgray5402]

That just sounds like Star Wars and Harry Potter share the same universe.

[@Supadrumma441]

One doesn't have to be Jedi or Sith to use the force. You can simply be a force wielder without any affiliation with either order. The one thing this movie gets right is to call the Jedi order a religion, because that is EXACTLY what both orders are.

[@28starwarsfan]

I wanted to buy the Luke change, and I would have, but it was a big disjoint from where we left him last. He could totally be the grumpy, wreck, but I needed more crumbs how he got from A to B. Like we missed an entire trilogy. Like going from Avatar the Last Airbender the first half of season one to the second half of season three. We're just missing the dots.

[@spaceshiplewis]

He let down the amputee community as a figure of hope and perseverance so that Rey could shine.

[@DerMoerpler]

I actually love the idea of a recluse hermit Luke. In principle, it's a lot more interesting than making him the wise Jedi master we've seen tons of times before. But this execution was to abrupt. And I don't ask for much - a few more hints in Episode VII on his Jedi school and that something went wrong there could have done the trick.

[@Defensive_Wounds]

That's life. As the decades pass, if you were not there to be around that person you of course will not understand the changes from 30 years ago.

[@BoredMarcus]

​@@Defensive_Wounds First of all, a movie is not life. Character development is a cornerstone of good storytelling. Your universal excuse for lazy writing would mean you can take any character, age him a bit and give him complete opposite character traits and just say, 'that's life'. Why then use this character in the first place if you don't like him.? Well, here it's obvious, because they want the merchandise money from stories other ppl did. And btw in real life, if I met someone decades later and they changed completely, you know what the first thing is I would do? ASK ME WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM and how they got to this point?

[@thefirstbourne149]

@@BoredMarcus Still, does that make this development the worst thing in the world? We still have good ideas there!

[@friofrost09]

30:11 Praetorian Guards, they're the succersors of the emperor's royal Guards. Specialized in body to body and frey fighting

[@28starwarsfan]

"Wait, but now what?" Finn's sacrifice would have been so good and a great closure to his journey.

[@haleyleahann8296]

I would strongly argue that Anakin was never fully redeemed. He never regretted what he did while working for the Sith or even before (at least for me). He had no problem killing others in his personal fits, including kids. He only saved Luke who is his son, so while he protected his son he didn't turn good. He sacrificed himself yes, but it was mostly for someone who is directly connected to himself. I am not saying he couldn't be, I just think redemption through sacrifice is kind of a short winded method of showing redemption.

[@ajclannachan]

He couldnt become one with the force if he didnt regret his actions

[@DextroDNAOfficial]

Like the other guy said, it wouldn't have been possible for Anakin to become one with the Force if he hadn't been redeemed and accepted the Light (and the Light accepted him). You must have missed the bits in RotS where he's crying half the movie over the stuff he's done, even after he's killed all the Separatists on Mustafar. He did all that shit because he felt he had no other choice, that he was stuck under the thumb of Sidious - his only chance to save Padme. After his fight with Obi-Wan, he was literally Sidious' pet. He was broken, had lost everything he loved and himself, and even though he despised the Emperor he knew that there was no escape from him. Until Luke came to save him, he was a shell of a person filled with nothing but regret and hate. Luke brought back Anakin Skywalker, destroyed Darth Vader, and redeemed him. "Sacrificed himself for his own benefit"? What? I don't see how Vader sacrificing himself for Luke is in any way selfish. I'm not saying Anakin was always a paragon of virtue, but he was a good person at heart who cared too much for the people around him and was unfortunately manipulated by evil, corrupted by the Dark Side *because* he loved too much

[@haleyleahann8296]

In my interpretation I just read most of his drive for both light and dark as being for those directly connected to him-- not for others that he is directly responsible for hurting. That is what I mean by selfish. He obviously didn't get involved in the dark side because he loved it and I agree he does have some regret. I just don't like the idea that one "good" act negates all the "bad" and suddenly redeems that character. Death is almost an easy out for redemption stories-- oh look they did something good, that makes up for everything. I guess they're good to go. There is just so little real impact that way and that's just my personal opinion and to be fair I think this way with pretty much every similar character arc. Its also another reason why I think Ben living and Rey dying would have been much more impactful as he should have gone on to further make up for what he did.

[@ajclannachan]

@@haleyleahann8296 I get what you mean, but you have to forgive yourself first and then try and make it right. Without that distinction he would have gone off to the sith netherworld to be tormented forever. I think you're right George could have maybe expressed it more, but there is a bit in the books where ob1 comes to him and they go through that process together. Then he ascends to be part of the force. There is an excellent clone wars episode with yoda where he has to confront his darkness before he gets told how to become one.

[@ciscoponch67]

Watch timestamp 39:10. When the boy reaches for the broom, he uses the Force. The point is we all posses the Force. His stance holding the broom was like a Jedi holding a lightsaber. ❤

[@davidpax]

I think this movie is a mess. Kylo can't make up his mind if he wants to kill Rey or save her from Snoke. Luke has always been my hero and this version of him doesn't make sense. Snoke was set up in 7 to be this powerful villain, but then he is killed off just like that. Among the Siths there always has to be a master and an apprentice. So they had to invent a "new" villain for eps 9. It clearly shows, that they hadn't written the whole story in advance and every director had to take over from where the last film ended. The last film in the trilogy has to have the greatest climax, which was hard to do after this film.

[@lanolinlight]

We Disney sequel haters aren't disgusted because we were expecting more "fan service." We are disgusted because we were expecting good, propulsive storytelling and characters worth a damn. That's what the original trilogy delivered.

[@lanolinlight]

@Pen & Paper The prequels are nearly as bad as the sequels.

[@mike-mz6yz]

@@lanolinlight no they really arent lol They at least tell a consistent story and its a really interesting one. They arent perfect but have redeeming qualities plus they don't damage the other movies. This movie destroys every bit of character growth from the OT and even make it so Anakin failed. Im not saying the prequels are good, but they are 100 times better then the sequels.

[@RoGueNavy]

The Resistance Officer at the beginning, who screams, "PUNCH IT!", is played by Carrie Fisher's daughter.

[@sawin-rf7yr]

I know you said with the Star Wars universe there is not enough mourning for the loss of life when it comes to the unknown pilots and people. I agree but I think The Last Jedi is one of the few that does. Rose mourns over her sister's death and Holdo and Leia are extremely upset with Poe and the loss of life. So much so they punish him. That's also one of the reasons Holdo doesn't share her plan with him. He's been demoted. Do all leaders lay their cards out on the table for anyone to see? It's better to play it close to the vest especially with Poe at this point. He's not entitled to that information anymore after his screw up.

[@OrionX3]

i feel like being able to essentially skip the middle of the movie, the entire casino planet, is what kills this movie for me. And it started on a rough note with luke throwing that lightsaber when rey handed it to him. We've waited YEARS for that scene. Then Leia floating back in from space had my jaw dropping in theaters trying to figure out how.

[@thecartoonrobot]

Leia was in space and weightless. She is a jedi in all but name, so she used the force to pull herself towards the ship.

[@paulsmith2516]

Leia is a SKYWALKER! How the hell do you think she did it?

[@isaac3702]

@@paulsmith2516 Why have we not seen other Jedi do the same thing though? Plo Koon is the only one who comes closest, and that's because his species can survive in vacuum for a limited amount of time.

[@thecartoonrobot]

@@isaac3702 here is my issue with that argument, in general, in regards to Star Wars. Sometimes we see new things. The Jedi libraries were massive. Becoming a master took a lifetime. Do we really think being a Jedi just comes down to the handful of abilities we have seen on screen? If you can lift an X-Wing out of a swamp with these powers, or make rocks or people move why can't you move your own body with the force? Force enhanced running. Cushioning the fall with the force. That seems totally in line with what we have seen, in my opinion.

[@isaac3702]

@@thecartoonrobot I am not disagreeing with you, about moving a body with the Force. I have read dozens, probably close to a hundred Star Wars books from Legends, and know of different Force techniques that different uses have. Princess Leia surviving the explosion into vacuum is even possible with enough preparation time, since I read about it in another book. What doesn't make sense is that Leia never completed her training, and as far as we know, didn't do any more Force training after leaving Luke, as she was more focused on building the New Republic, Senatorial duties, and being the leader of the Resistance. Where did she learn about this ability, when did she have time to train for it between her other duties?

[@MjrCoxwell]

Why no mourning when they die? in ANY war- if you take time to mourn a loss, you die. Thats how soldiers are trained. Mourn AFTER victory.

[@digitalcassette5]

The way they wrote and treated the orginal characters in these movies is pretty sad. And after 40 years to have the original cast and not put them in one scene together reflects that it dosent feel like they were made by SW fans. They did a complete 180 on luke and like you said, it just didn't fit and for what ? The originals had some corny lines but there was a certain magic about them these movies just don't have.

[@cbalan777]

The guy who wrote the script for Ep VII said that originally Luke was going to show up for the last battle but that "you didn't care about Rey after he showed up". Really, even if they had included Luke, their plan with him was the same. Nostalgia bait. Then they would pull a bait and switch so you would be invested in their new characters who they could make 10 more movies with. It was never about the story telling from the very beginning. It sucks for me as an artist cause I see all these conversations about a story that no on cared to write well, when I struggle to get attention for the genuine stories I write.

[@digitalcassette5]

@@cbalan777 yeah. They really ruined one of the most important characters in this saga. And rey is basically a copy paste of luke. they could of made her her own thing and it could of been incredible new character. but looks like they just wanted to reboot luke's story with "new characters" and let the old ones die.

[@cbalan777]

@@digitalcassette5 It's a shame. I think they were in such a hurry to get these movies shot they didn't think it through.

[@3DJapan]

15:51 Everyone "has" the Force. Obi Wan explains this in the first film from 1977. It's just a question of knowing how to use it or not.

[@Osprey850]

I think that there's a little more to it than that. In RotJ, Luke says to Leia, "You have that power, too. In time, you'll learn to use it as I have. The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. And... my sister has it." There's apparently a genetic component that governs sensitivity to the Force and only certain people have enough of it to become Jedi. It's just a matter of learning to use the Force for those few people, but not for everyone.

[@Chumppi]

@@Osprey850 Yes. It's definitely like that for humans for for other races like Yoda's race, they're always force sensitive.

[@sup9542]

I always assumed the Force concept was influenced by those old Eastern mystics who claimed that through meditation you can learn to levitate. The idea of a higher plane of consciousness that you can access through practice. And in this case some people are just more connected to it. I hate it being just a X-Men mutation thing.. Then it's just a superhero movie.

[@bosto23]

Not that simple, some are more force sensitive than others

[@charger70s]

"The Rebellion is reborn today, the war is just beginning and I will not be the last Jedi."

[@andrewmize823]

Holdo seems more concerned with making sure her authority is respected than she is with establishing trust. I'm sure the point the writers were trying to make is that she was very brave, and didn't want anyone trying to talk her out of her plan, but a little mutual respect and a few well-considered words to Poe could have adjusted his attitude before his doubts blew out of proportion. I'm not saying she should have relaxed her authority, just that she should have taken the opportunity to defuse the situation before it got hostile.

[@ComandoPadentro]

Why woudl she do that with Poe, though? He was responsible for the loss of their ENTIRE bombing squad because he desobeyed a direct order and was demoted for it... that's all she knows... Leia is not there to tell her otherwise and a "trigger happy" pilot was not what they needed. The plan was need to know basis and he didn't need to know.

[@andrewmize823]

@@ComandoPadentro I didn't say anything about telling him the plan, I was just saying that finding a way to put the guy at ease would have gone a long way towards keeping him in line--because stonewalling him backfired.

[@mikes1487]

@@andrewmize823 it'd not her responsability Poe was disobeing orders, and lead a mutiny Rose was going to lock up a person who was not even ever in the "resistance army" for trying to go save his friend but no one throws Poe in the brig? for disobeying orders over and over?

[@andrewmize823]

@@mikes1487 It's absolutely a commanding officer's responsibility to maintain morale. If you do that, you don't have people disobeying you in the first place.

[@konradpotgieter7866]

I think something a lot of people miss or dont consider about Haldo's motivation is that the active tracking solution to the first order finding them is just Rose and Fins speculation until proven true later. What I mean is Haldo rises to the top of the chain of command under the most dire circumstances with a plan that requires utmost stealth on a ship where she doesn't know if there are one or more first order spies on board (as in a possible explanation for how they are being followed).

[@scrazzle]

Really liked your commentary. Great reaction, thank you!

[@martinkennard2580]

Snoke is Andi Cirkis aka Gollum as Phasma is from Game of Thrones the female warrior in Thrones.

[@jreyesucd]

Cassie: “We’re going Rogue Two” Me: “Yes!!!” 😊😊😊

[@jregulatori4672]

Just one point of about not seeing a lot of mourning during war films. While in Marine infantry I lost friends in Iraq, friends that I would chat with almost daily. Basically comes over the radio that person was killed, you mourn privately, and you have a few conversations with friends about the good times. It's a very private matter. At the end of the deployments they'll have small ceremonies but if you're in a constant engagements with lots of causalities, you just kind of keep pushing. That's one of the main reasons people deal with ptsd, you really have no time to process any of it when it's happening. It's after the war when you're alone in a quiet apt/house does it start creeping back in. It's also hard after getting out with many of your friends re-enlisting and getting killed later without you being there. War sucks.

[@gregwillson7952]

You're not wrong, but the OT Star Wars movies frequently spent time on the grief of the people in them. There are whole dialogue scenes about main characters, and little scenes of emotion, like when that random Ewok gets blown up or when the dude kamikazes the Super Star Destroyer and Admiral Ackbar looks exhausted and grim.

[@jeremylarson6267]

@@gregwillson7952 - true but then again, they probably figured the reactions would provide enough morning for the franchise so didn't bother spending the money to develop and film any for the movie.

[@thatonekansasguy]

thank you for your service friend

[@gregrtodd]

Excellent point. Something that those who haven't served have great difficulty understanding. Time spent grieving is luxury the battlefield does not afford. You reflect quietly about your loss later (sometimes much later) Thank you for your service sir. I did my 12 years with the Royal Australian Air Force, and 11 of those were without conflict.

[@jregulatori4672]

@@gregwillson7952 I agree, my reply was more towards Casey's comments towards this film. Looking back it sounds like I'm justifying the lack of emotion in the film which I'm not, I'm just stating why you might not see a lot of emotional scenes of individuals in war getting too emotional over fallen friends during chaotic times when you don't have time to grieve. This is one of my least liked Start Wars movies. If you look at the franchise overall, there is a lot of subtle grieving moments spread throughout this series. But this film in particular seemed to have so much crammed into a tight package and didn't have a lot of the nuanced/tender scenes of the previous films. The scenes of romance or sorrow that didn't feel force fed (no pun intended) with a baby spoon. This one felt so very paint-by-numbers or like checking items off on a box so they can set up the next film. Where as Empire, another middle movie was actually was one of the most emotionally nuanced with true character development. Wish Irvin Kershner had more influence later films.

[@The-Azure-Knight]

When people say a movie is too long, it usually means that don't truly like it.

[@ScientificallyStupid]

I couldn't agree more, when a movie is enjoyable, it leaves you wanting more, no matter how long it might be. And if you don't like it, 90 minutes is too long.

[@ajclannachan]

I remember the first time I saw it. I was so excited for this movie. I left thinking did I even like that? I must have its star wars it cant of been that bad lol. Then when I got back home and had time to reflect on it I realised how bad it really was.

[@ScientificallyStupid]

@@ajclannachan I kept thinking, well, a bad Star Wars movie is still a good movie. Nope

[@pickleboy6059]

Reminds me of the lord of the rings movies. despite how long they, they are enjoyable all the way through. I don’t know of a movie actual longer then them either.

[@fedord01]

Bingo! When Cassie was watching the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, she was watching the 4 hour extended versions and was spellbound the entire time and STILL wanted more. Movies you truly enjoy are timeless. Movies like this one just drag on and make you feel bored because they are just not enjoyable in any way, shape or form.

[@laurenmasters]

That look was my expression through the whole movie

[@liaml.e.5964]

I agree with you. When I saw this movie at the theater the tone felt so... inconsistent. Between the slowest chase in history, the stupid jokes and the irrational decisions it felt like watching a dog chase its tail for 2 and a half hours. Again, the tone was just so... inconsistent.

[@bobogus7559]

Plus, at least 45 minutes spent on Finn, Rose, and BB-8's side quest that accomplished LITERALLY NOTHING.

[@colinstubblefield4670]

The biggest issue that huge Star Wars fans had with this movie is that it went against so much of what we know Star Wars to be. It was like the writers didn't know the lore and original stories so they just made something up they thought was good. If the Last Jedi was not a Star Wars movie it would have done so much better but because it was Star Wars, it did what it did.

[@gabrieldevoogel6225]

Y’know… I don’t ship Reylo in a general sense but she points out their chemistry in places I didn’t even think it was supposed to be which is a testament to how great these videos are!!!! ☺️❤️

[@jacksonconley5117]

This makes me long for the “I don’t like sand” conversation.

[@PlaidRocker32]

Sounds like you felt about this movie the same way most of us felt about it. It was directed by Rian Johnson and not JJ Abrams who directed Force Awakens and Rise of Skywalker. Rian Johnson is what's known as an "auteur director," meaning he has a very specific style and way he tells a story. I feel whereas JJ Abrams was more willing to work collaboratively with all involved, Rian Johnson had his own specific vision which ultimately screws up what could've been a solid trilogy. Instead of a coherent, well thought out trilogy, we sort of just got 2 directors trying to change what the other was doing which resulted in a bit of a mess. I personally hate what they did with Luke. I agree completely with Sam Witwer, who is known for voicing Darth Maul and Emperor Palpatine in various media. He said that when faced with the chance to kill his own father in Return of the Jedi, with the Emperor fueling his anger, he decided to throw down his lightsaber and say "No, I won't kill you. And I certainly won't hurt my father." Sam finished by saying that, not for a second, does that guy consider killing his sister's and best friend's son. Mark Hamill who plays Luke said he fundamentally disagreed with everything Rian Johnson did with his character. He believed this is not how Luke would behave. He has since gone back on this, but I honestly think Disney asked him to take back what he said. Of course, it's totally possible that Mark was being sincere. Again, that's just my own personal feeling. Bottom line, I think this film and the decisions Rian Johnson made are ultimately what led to the sequel trilogy not being as strong as it could've been.

[@BigAl72ZGE]

But the problem with blaming Johnson, not Abrams, is that it was Abrams that put Luke on that Island!

[@robertacheson5976]

This is dead on. You can’t have a Trilogy with 3 independently written stories. This was the most disappointing movie I’ve ever seen. Yes, Force Awakens was largely a reboot but there were a lot of threads set up. Rian Johnson destroyed all of them. It was so bad they had no choice but to bring back the Emperor because there was no REAL bad guys. Snoke could’ve been turned into something cool. Rian Johnson cut that idea in half literally. The dialogue is shit. They refuse to allow for tension and misplaced jokes. Luke throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder is the perfect metaphor for what Rian Johnson did to this series

[@boohoo723]

The thing about Rian Johnson's decisions on Luke is that he worked with a Luke who had already isolated himself and given up on the Jedi. He inherited a broken man. Also, Abrams can't actually plot for shit. His writing style is "Mystery Box." He thinks the mystery is more important, the answer is secondary. So it's not like Abrams has a plot for Rian to follow anyway.

[@robertacheson5976]

@@boohoo723 I don’t know. There could’ve been a cooler reason Luke was in isolation and it wast clear from TFA that he was broken. I think we assume a lot based on where the character ended up. I agree though. I’m not a JJ Fanboy. And you have to look no further than the TV show “Lost” to see that they had no idea where they were going. The whole thing was a cluster fuck. It’s a Trilogy. A narrative thread needs to run through the whole thing, otherwise they’re just individual movies that they’re calling a Trilogy. I’ll also say about Disney Star Wars that given that there have been what… almost a dozen Directors and Writers that’ve dropped out of various projects show that the problem is a lot deeper (ie Kathleen Kennedy). If you have problems with that many professionals, the common denominator is you.

[@WarGamerGirl]

@@boohoo723 Not saying Abrams is a particularly great writer, but I seem to recall Yoda isolating himself on a planet and a young Jedi going to him to train. That played out ten times better than what Rian Johnson wrote.

[@karlsmith2570]

That scene where Luke kisses Leia on her forehead Mark Hamill has said that it's always difficult for him to watch that scene because of the fact that Carrie Fisher had died shortly after this movie had been released describing it as it "Leaving A Hole Inside That Can Never Be Filled"

[@jbacunn]

Oh boy. Here we go. 🙃

[@SDfan2002]

Love this movie

[@AlesPickar]

I guess it is never too late to dip into masochism. :-)

[@brysonfreeman3526]

I like this movie okay, but I didn’t like way how Luke’s character went in this movie Episode VIII of Star Wars

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

So yeah… at this point it’s probably becoming apparent why this sequel trilogy had a decisive reaction.

[@davidbergfors6820]

41:50 That is a good way of saying it! This one feels like a disassemblement; - Our Stalwart hero who is a wise master turns out to be just a grouchy old man. - The powerful menacing leader of the evil faction, the master of manipualtion turns out to be easily manipulated himself. - The Jedi weren't supposed to be about lifting rocks, yet that is what she has to do in the end... the director gave us star wars as he saw it. all the ingredients are there, just not combined the way they should, and that leaves a sour taste in our mouth. with that said, I did go straight back into the theatre to experience that "Holdo maneuver" again. the absolute silence and then the sharp pang!

[@ItheauthorityI]

I saw this on release and it was one of the most fun times I had at the movies. I personally loved the twists and the whole movie. I was kind of surprised to go home and see the backlash.

[@JozyMozy]

my coldest take ever was walking out of the theater with my buddy, completely thrilled, and being like "man, THAT ONE will age well!" 😬

[@Kepora1]

I had fun in the theater. At least I *thought* I did. I realized on the drive home I wasn't...actually happy. I'd just watched a "Star Wars" movie and I was actively UNhappy. Every minute on the drive home, I processed it more and more - and as it went, the angrier I got. The inconsistencies, the torpedoed storylines, the outright disregard for the lore, the abuse of Luke Skywalker - it all piled up.

[@CeleryMane]

you're wrong?

[@russelturner5771]

I also liked the new take on the mythology, shame that most fans weren't as open minded as us.

[@XBLdynamatrix]

This movie is just… bad

[@michelvanderweide8542]

As I said in my previous comment on The Force Awakens: I really did enjoy that film. Sure it was a rehash of things, but it did set up some interesting characters and plotlines that could have become really very interesting when explored in the right way. When I first saw this film when it came out, I sensed something was wrong when Luke threw away the lightsaber. It was a moment fans had been looking forward to so much: this grand and epic gesture of him accepting the saber. And…it was lost. I laughed uncertainly at that moment not knowing what to expect after that. But never did I even remotely suspect they were going to completely butcher Luke’s character. Mark Hamill himself said he fundementally disagreed with everything this director wrote for his character. Because : it’s not Luke. In the original trilogy we see a Luke that is positive, and tries to save his father because he senses a remote spark of good in him. Despite everyone hating Vader, he went all the way to redeem him. And he ended up succeeding at that task too. Here Luke’s first instinct when he senses some evil in Kylo is not to try and work things out, but to kill him? That’s not Luke, he would never do that. There are a lot of things wrong with this film. I could honestly ignore those things. But the thing I could not ignore is how Luke was treated in this movie. After the first time I watched it, I left the theatre in anger (almost like a Sith lol). But after two weeks, I honestly gave it another shot and went to the theatre again with an open mind, now knowing what to expect. It didn’t change my opinion. In fact I hated the film even more the second time. Since then this is the only Star Wars film I know I will never watch again. I just can’t do it. If people love this film, hey I don’t have a problem with that. I respect everyone’s opinion always, so never would I even try to change someone’s opinion (or convert them to the Dark Side lol). Seriously though: for me, this movie truly ruined some of the lore that Star Wars has been which is why as a lifelong Star Wars fan, I just treat it as if this film doesn’t exist. People say Disney Star Wars has ruined the franchise. But I honestly don’t think that’s true. They gave us the Mandalorian, which is awesome. Rogue One was great, Solo was very enjoyable, and even Force Awakens and in some parts The Rise of Skywalker weren’t really bad either. It’s just this film for me, that was made by a director who just wanted to give people his vision not caring about the lore at all. That said, I completely agree with all you said at the end. I understand being disappointed after seeing this one. I hope the next one will give you a little bit of a New Hope, but hey knowing you as always you will enter it with an open mind. Great reaction, and great vid…as always 😊

[@Deailon]

The Rise of the Skywalker was a mess, mainly because it tried to fix TLJ fallout (sometines in a very wrong places) and did not have time to became its own thing. I don't have high hopes here. I am just sorry for anyone who makes the reaction to sequels being still hyped after the OT or even prequels (which are still great original stories in a fresh and exciting universe, flawed as they are). Sequels, though flashy, are just not that.

[@Nelekets]

The Rise of Skywalker is equally as bad as this one.. just incoherent plot, again.

[@n2nother]

You mean the same Luke who nearly beat his father to death for just suggesting he would turn Leia? That Luke?

[@Deailon]

@@n2nother > being attacked by a mass murderer, who threatens your sister, while being goaded by a master manipulator sorcerer and watching your friends die by hundreds > seeing a dark vision in a mind of a sleeping kid You are right, this is exactly the same situation.

[@acdragonrider]

She needs to my onto the shows

[@agarven1]

Billie Lourd who plays Lieutenant Connix is Carrie Fisher’s daughter who is an actress also

[@Billinois78]

I agree that it felt too long. The whole side story with Finn and Rose was unnecessary and stopped whatever story progress there was dead. I thought Rose was a completely pointless character as was DJ (del Toro's character). Most of Finn's dialogue felt like it wasn't even written down but ad-libbed because of how weak it was. The addition of too many new characters eliminated the possibility of any significant character development. It felt like everyone was just floating around, waiting for the credits to roll.

[@lokithecat7225]

Rose had what should have been the defining line of the Series, about not doing good by destroying your enemies, but they seemed to forget it and then tossed in a dead end love interest.

[@tiutiu859]

It was a lengthy sidequest you could skip.

[@thebigbop5866]

The entire Finn-Rose side quest was just there because in Empire Luke went off on his force journey and there was the Leia/Han/Chewy side quest. That worked though because it was organic. This happened because it would be similar to that sidequest by virtue of being a sidequest.

[@Chumppi]

@@lokithecat7225 Rose sacrificed the entire rebellion and what was left of it by blocking Finn for "love, dummy". What a total shitfest.

[@Billinois78]

@@Chumppi That part was infuriating. Every moment she was on screen was annoying but that was the worst. Logically, she should've been kicked out of the Rebellion for that stunt.

[@haleyleahann8296]

A little context, no, his parents never told Kylo about his grandfather and when he started to develop his force abilities he would over hear his parents worrying about how strong they were. In his child's mind he read this as fear of him and then they ship him off to Luke. it was one of the main ways Snoke was able to manipulate him.

[@PopcornInBed]

interesting, where did this context come from?

[@haleyleahann8296]

@@PopcornInBed There is some hint of it in the film through the acting mostly, but the books managed to take what the movie provided and really expand on it. So he felt like his parents didn't love him or were afraid of him, and then he felt abandoned by them and then abandoned by Luke. The problem for Snoke was that despite all that Han was Kylo's childhood hero and he loved his mother so those feels keep him conflicted between light and dark. Kylo was convinced that killing Han would finally push himself fully into darkness-- but it just had the opposite effect.

[@jedifonz7684]

@@PopcornInBed in a prequel book bloodline. And honesty this should have been in first half of force awakens. It is revealed that Leia and han persuaded Luke not to tell the new Republic that Vader was their father, fearing it would damage their rep. But when leader of Republic dies and Leia is running for new chancellor, she tries to convince the people that the first order will become a threat, but her opponent who had discovered the truth about vader, announces it at the senate..This destroys her career and trust in the people. This is also how and when young Ben finds out too, which is the beginning of his turn to the darkside as he feels betrayed by his familly. Leia then has no choice but to form a resistance as she feels the first order are secretly building an army. Then when Ben eventually turns. Han and Leia break up and Luke vanishes.. I've been working on a fan edit of the last jedi where I'm trying to explain lots, that should have been explained in the movie.. I've also added new effects with cgi and Luke is not depressed and fights. Taken me years to do as I was so let down by movie .

[@Xehanort10]

Kylo's a nonsensical character and it got worse when they started portraying him as a tragic victim to pander to fangirls who wanted him and Rey to fuck.

[@LIGERJAGAR1]

this was basically a movie about the longest car (spaeship) chase. with a side story about saving animals.

[@sterling557]

And a vehicle to push Propaganda, with a side of Mary Sue.

[@Ryan_Dye-r]

At the beginning of the movie the Resistance had a full fleet. By the end of the movie, they were all able to fit on the Millennium Falcon. That's a huge difference in personel numbers.

[@Georgejr98]

I love your channel and think you bring a certain wholesomeness to the reactions. I did not like this movie and couldn't rewatch. I tried again with your reaction, but still skipped to your comments at the end after a minute. I'm glad I found your channel and I will keep watching.

[@kjdempsey]

I can smell the warm buttery popcorn in your room mixed with a hint of lavender

[@the_littles7928]

I would absolutely see you do a reaction to Amadeus. Such a stunning film, with some truly breathtaking performances.

[@johnhelfrich977]

Seconded. That would be a very interesting reaction, especially I think from this channel.

[@davidludwig1492]

Please, please, please, please, Cassie!!!!!

[@firefly24601]

Thirded!

[@Me11oCarm]

100% Oscars for Best Picture, Supporting Actor and many more. Great story and one of the most compelling villians of all time.

[@erainmartinez8175]

so Clever do it for her sister 27:20

[@mikrohamster]

Imagine waiting for 30 years to see Luke on the big screen again, getting even more exited because Disney was making clear that he would be a main character in episode 8 by the end of the last movie… and then getting this cynical, grumpy, hopeless, turn-his-back-on-everyone-he-loved, empty shell of a man that now just looks like an older version of the hero you looked up to as a kid. This felt like someone at Disney was puppeteering a character you loved, mockingly going „Look what i can make your idol do! You are supposed to like our new cast, so we forcefully stomp everything you loved about the old ones into the ground to make their new counterparts look better!“. That (and the points you mentioned about the storyline) is why this abomination of a film was/is not just a not-liked but a despised Star Wars movie that turned a lot of fans against the corporate heads at Disney. Thankfully, the franchise recently got back into capable hands again with Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau, which, being fans themselves, are working hard to fix a lot of this.

[@mapanzer]

I would count myself as a long-term fan (who got turned off only by The Force Awakens). I only recently saw this, and I find it amazing. For my money, Luke's character arc is very plausible and extremely satisfying. He goes out saving his "friends," presenting them the legend they long for. Also, this is not a corporate movie, it is as close as we ever got to a writer-director Star Wars movie. It is totally OK not to agree with Johnson's vision, btw. I liked Luke as a kid, but I also liked many other people, real or fictional. And even though I like the characters in this film, they'll never have the impact on me they had when I was a child (which I think is fine as well). We are what they grow beyond.

[@lisamarieligreci-newton7804]

This is honestly how I felt about TFA...the minute Han walked on to the Falcon a grumpy, broken old man I just felt my heart sink. And the sad thing is - I already really liked Rey/Finn/Poe, there is room for all of them lol!

[@mikrohamster]

@@mapanzer Agreed, to each their own :). Good for you, enjoying this movie, but forgive me for finding it challenging to see your point of view (Warning: long personal opinion, probably biased incoming): For one, Lukes arc/his general behaviour in this movie imho doesnt fit the character we came to know and love in the original trilogy: Luke, "Balance is everything"-Jedi Master, Teacher, Uncle. According to this movie: "Yea, im all that, but im still about to kill my nephew right on the spot, because of this vision i just had. No talking, no discussion - just plain murder that soab, child of my sister, which i trained and loved for nearly two decades. My father/Vader, which actualy WAS corrupted and had already done unspeakable things in his time without me being able to stop him - he on the other hand was worth saving/fighting for because... shutup and let the sleep-murdering commence!". Next up: him abandoning his family when they needed him the most, finaly giving up Ben to the dark side instead of trying to fix/standing up for his mistake (let alone Leia letting him leave for good). The last of the Jedi (roll credits), seeing a new wave of Sith/a new threat to the whole galaxy on the horizon, going "Screw this..." and hiding his head in the sand on a rock far far away? And when he finaly steps up, after having to be convinced for 70% of the movie, he just mocks Ben instead of trying to get him back, after which he just dies because of... exhaustion? Yes, (self-inflicted?) trauma can change a person, but a hero, which is what Luke was in everything up unitl this movie, is supposed to prevail/carry on regardless. Conclusion: they made Luke a coward, negating everything he stood for. Not because it was true to the story or character, not even because there was no other way to do it (again: Filoni/Favreau), but because corporate needed him to be one. They made him a coward, so his presence in the movie could be used for selling tickets to nostalgic idiots like me, while at the same time NOT have him outshine/overpower the in compairson underdeveloped new heros in their own, poorly-stiched-together-storyline (to which they didnt even have a conclusion at this point, as proven by the constantly rewritten chaos that was coming with episode 9). Speaking of the storyline: this movie was one banana short of a fruit salad regarding where it was going (story-of-the-reluctant-"hero" into love(?)/family-drama into whatever-that-space-chase-was-supposed-to-be-if-they-had-a-not-poorly-written-leader into completely-unnecessary-teenage-heist into episode5-adjacent-sci-fi-action). So either Rian Johnson forgot and relearned how to do a coherent story between "Looper" this and "Knives Out", he was in way over his head ($270-300 Mio Budget on TLJ compared to the max $30 Mio he worked with prior) and/or someone else was dictating story-beats he had to met because of money and politics - introducing: Kathleen Kennedy, CEO of LucasFilm/Disney and producer of all the sequels. Given that Johnson later on stated, that Kennedy specificaly instructed him to discard every idea George Lucas had pitched for the sequels, she at least was one deciding factor in what came out at the other end (franchise-owner/trilogy-producer > writer/director), not to mention she was producing ALL of the sequels and therefor should've had at least an idea where they were going to start with. I somehow doubt that Johnson, being a relative leightweigth of the Hollywood-industry when compared to someone like Abrams, had more control over his movie than JJ did. One could even speculate that he was specificaly hired by KK, because he didnt have the weight to counter decisions made by her. Decisions like making Luke a coward, because the Disney stakeholders needed him to be...

[@mikrohamster]

@@lisamarieligreci-newton7804 True, but to be fair, Han was the closest of the bunch to get to a point like that, since he always was a bit of a cynic/lone-wolf/antihero, so, allthough noone wished for him to end up like this, i could at least see where they were coming from (plus Harrison only signed up under the condition, that Han got to die in episode 7, so he needed a redemption arc).

[@justanantico6327]

I feel that Nerrel’s video on why The Last Jedi is good perfectly sums up how I love this movie. Luke wasn’t on Krait in person because he had to distract Ben so that the Rebellion would survive. And his death was earned, as he over-exerted himself using the most intense display of the force seen in canon, all after having closed himself off from it for years. The movie shows that the cycle of the Jedi and Sith is never ending. When Jedi rise, the Sith do as well, as it’s the force balancing itself. Then the Sith rise, and the Jedi eventually do, because the force is balancing itself again. Luke went away because if he kept trying to make new Jedi, this cycle would just go on again. His failure led to the need for something new

[@notatthistime3867]

41:12 I felt like it led to nothing... 43:24 I had a lot of issues with it... 43:38 a little bit disappointed... Allow me to translate for Cassie. That's basically her nice Canadian way of saying this movie was complete garbage.

[@derworfnet]

Yeah, this was the movie which broke the spell and ended my immersion in this new Trilogy. I left the theatre 30% confused, 20% exhausted and 50% pissed off. I probably already commented the same thing elsewhere already, but the one aspect I dislike most about this flick is its downright condescending tone. To me, It feels less like a Star Wars-Movie and more like a comment on how *wrong* and misguided the franchises' story and themes had been until this movie came along to "set things straight". It genuinely feels like "The last Jedi" goes out of its way to mock fans for caring, like it exists to call out people for being invested and immersed in the Story of the previous Films (especially "The Force Awakens", whose plotpoints TLJ either flatly ignores or undermines). I really get the impression of a smug and arrogant director talking down to the audience through his movie, pointing out flaws and calling fans idiots. I mean, that picture Rian Johnson posted before the movie came out, of him looking straigh at the camera while holding up a Card that reads "Your Snoke Theory sucks" just about sums it up, doesnt it?). I mean, there are aspects of this film I really, genuinely like, scenes I even love in isolation (like the reunion of Luke and Leia, for example). Other things I'm not entirely against and could work in theory, if executed better and given more context (Leia floating back to the Ship via the Force, Snoke getting killed by Kylo, etc). I'd also argue that most actors really did the best they could with the material they had to work with (Adam Driver and Mark Hamill in particular). John Williams provided a fantastic Score yet again (even though it lacks memorable new thematic material that leaves a lasting impact. The Theme he composed for Rose wont reapper in the next movie even though the character did). And I have to admit that the Film looks absolutely *beautiful*. From the Effects, to the Production Design and the Cinematography, it provides one stunning visual after another, and I think this is intentional: To distract the audience from the utterly confused and hackneyed story, with all its tonal inconsistencies, "Gotcha!"-moments and fakeout-deaths that only exist to make the story more unpredictable and a whole subplot that goes absolutely nowhere. Not to mention that TLJ is basically Episode V told backwards with elements from Episode VI thrown in for good measure. And dont even get me started on what they did to poor Luke, which is a whole nother can of worms... not that the new characters fare any better: Poe got wrecked and no one in the writing team apperantly knew what to do with Finn. What a heap of wasted potential, like this entire Trilogy. And it only gets worse from here.

[@gufu21]

AMEN. I hate this movie, but all the more because it does a few things well: it's visually gorgeous, and I thought the Rey-Kylo dynamic was interesting (until it wasn't and Kylo just went back to screaming a lot). But yes, I agree with everything you said. This movie went out of its way to tell me I was stupid for caring about these characters and stupid for thinking Luke was a hero. Apparently, the message of TLJ is "Whatever you cared about in the past is probably wrong, and never meet your heroes, because they suck too." That doesn't sound like Star Wars to me.

[@rafapopawski2559]

Couldn't agree move. Very thorough. Good job

[@richcarrCCC]

Thanks for taking the time to post this. You pretty much summed it all up, at least for how I feel about it. Well done, well done indeed.

[@jerrychubb6168]

The dust off of the shoulder was just classic.

[@WaywardSon5]

39:15 Make sure you look really close when the stable boy "picks up" the broom. He reaches toward it, and it lifts off the wall and moves into his hand. He uses the Force.

[@goassnmane]

But it lead to nothing

[@thejenmath]

The little movement held so much potential -- the whole concept that Jedi's don't have to come from a lineage -- but they did nothing with it. UGH!

[@francomunz1889]

“Special effects without a story is a pretty boring thing.” ― George Lucas

[@SDfan2002]

Ironic considering he directed the worst Star Wars trilogy

[@jonrivers7779]

@@SDfan2002 ???? The originals have problems but are good. The prequels get hokey but still stand up. The only trilogy that stuffs up the entire franchise and disillusioned the fans was the sequels

[@SDfan2002]

@@jonrivers7779 The originals are FANTASTIC (minus Return of the Jedi) The SEQUELS manage to recapture the feeling of the Originals once again. The Prequels DON’T get hokey…. they get fucking BORING.

[@jonrivers7779]

@@SDfan2002 OK you truly have got it about face and it sounds like you are one of the newbies who doesnt realise the entire fanbase from the originals is disgusted with the sequels. The originals were great including RoTJ, but as Harrison Ford said the script and some of decision making was far from great. It holds up because of the story. RoTJ is normally criticised simply because of the Ewoks. You have to realise these were supposed to be Wookies and Lucas made a last minute change as he spent three films developing Chewbacca as an engineering genius, he couldnt then portray Wookies as a backward species. If you look at the attack on the Death Star 2 and Jabba's palace, most people still love that film also. The prequels could get boring - there were large sections of the battle of Coruscant where it was largely irrelevant. The politics which most newbies complain about though was essential and developed the whole background ethos to the galaxy. Jar Jar Binks was annoying but there was a need for some comic foil as these were the first Star Wars films where someone from the main gang could be killed. Overall they did OK. The sequels. Jeez. Bad acting (compare Daisy Ridley to Felicity Jones in Rogue One). Fin's character development was repeatedly started down one line only to be stopped, started down another and then halted again. He therefore became just the token black side kick in one of the most racist throwbacks imaginable. Rose's character was created only to be sidelined in ep. 9because of racist fans. Princess Leia becoming Mary Poppins in space. Rey using advanced Jedi powers without any training. The disappearing knife in the Red room battle. Luke doing the single most non-Jedi thing of taunting his enemy by brushing imaginary dust off his shoulder in the third film. The Diad undoing decades of character and canon law about what the Jedi were all about. Episode 7 just being a case of lets cram all the things from other star wars films into one and hoping for the best. A fleet of Star destroyers all with planet killer weapons being built and being able to be built off world from Exegol. Having to bring Palpatine back as if there isnt another force user int the galaxy outside of two families. These films were a disaster and its the reason why Disney arent investing in big screen versions of star wars anymore

[@SDfan2002]

@@jonrivers7779 You lost credibility when you said “the entire fanbase”

[@ciscoponch67]

The blond actress in the beginning who says, "Punch it!" Is Billie Lourd. Carrie Fisher's real life daughter. ❤

[@locutus9956]

Also alot of folks take issue with Luke basically running away and becoming a hermit out in the wilderness on his own when the going gets tough.... but I mean.... this kinda seems to be the standard Jedi response based on that being EXACTLY WHAT BOTH HIS MENTORS DID......

[@BigAl72ZGE]

And it was a plot choice made in Force Awakens, not this movie!

[@locutus9956]

@@BigAl72ZGE to be fair, it wasn’t really till this movie we found out Luke’s reasoning for disappearing etc he could have left for other reasons that I’m sure those critics wouldn’t have minded (but I’m sure plenty of folks would have taken issue whatever the case, you can never please everyone eh? ;)