Star Wars KOTOR: Bioware's Clunky Masterpiece

[@TheSaltFactory]

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[@mattparker9726]

oh god this is going to be controversial.

[@umadbroimatroll7918]

Put them in the description for youtube's new system to work. On pc it will show your video bar with labels based on the timestamps in the description. :)

[@TheSaltFactory]

@@umadbroimatroll7918 Oh shit, is that how that works? Awesome, thanks man. I'll still leave them pinned here I guess. Maybe it helps mobile people.

[@chrisl2031]

Might you be planning a look at KotOR 2: The sith lords? If so, are you going to play vanilla or use the restoration mod? Keep up the cool vids, man. These give me crazy nostalgia and I dig your sense of humor.

[@connerstann6719]

The Salt Factory putting it in the description does the same section thing in the video on mobile too bro

[@trikstari7687]

Clunky? It was a more elegant game, for a more civilized time.

[@c_two]

I rate this

[@SgtMustang]

I played it and KOTOR II in the last couple of years for the first time. I think KOTOR I has a fun story, but it is definitely clunky. Combat/Inventory/Equipment was not only a chore, but it was all far too easy. KOTOR II I really disliked - I thought the story was boring and Kreia was just Ayn Rand nonsense.

[@bringinthedope5929]

@@SgtMustang damn I loved it

[@mm-rw3hi]

@@SgtMustang it was only 60/75% of what it should have been

[@devenochoa9477]

I see you. Trik stari. S.W. Commando

[@toadofsteel]

The twist of the player being Revan was our generation's "I am your father". I actually managed to not pick up on it back when I was a teenager, so it was absolutely mind-blowing at the time.

[@jb2868]

toadofsteel it honestly blew my 10 year old mind waaay harder than twists in movies like fight club and momento would come to in my teen years. The twist hit me so hard that it rendered my body numb for days. I know I’m biased the nostalgia I feel for the power of that memory, but I don’t think any variety visual media will ever be able to surpass babby’s first existential mindfuck.

[@supraphone9705]

@@jb2868 funny enough, I played KOTOR 2 before I played KOTOR as a kid, and the Revan twist was still a bit of a mindfuck to me at the time.

[@Oannaybz]

Not mind blowing but I didin't see it coming

[@chrisallen9638]

I definitely didn't see it coming when I played it at 18, and I agree, it hit me like "I am your father," for sure.

[@bcmm1880]

God yes, they did it so well in an amazing way and I have not seen a twist like this ever

[@zenny8877]

I find it really cool how he complains about how ineffective the council is, and that's a major plot point of kotor 2

[@frankyboi1819]

He talks about that in his kotor 2 video. It’s funny

[@Mephilis78]

@@frankyboi1819 Hindsight is 20/20

[@otacon6566]

Maybe if they gave that one guy the high rank of master things would have been different. Anyone remember that Jedi's name.....I forgot. No big deal. Heard he may have had some kids.

[@alguem292]

That's the major plot of every bioware game

[@GhostLink92]

@@alguem292 "The Council can kiss my ass!"

[@TalonSky]

I always thought Bastilla lectures you so often on the Darkside because she feels its pull so keenly, and is terrified of it. Her sanctimonious attitude is a self defense mechanism.

[@lobotomite9767]

She projects her own insecurities

[@pepeoscoy6004]

That's a good lecture man, I thinked it was because she doesn't want te an to fall to the dark side again

[@jakitron890]

I haven't played in a long time, but I remember thinking that, and there being a discription of how she uses a darth maul double saber which "is typically preferred by dark jedi" leading me to believe she was likely to have shaky morals

[@KorGarrot]

@@pepeoscoy6004 probably 6 of one, half-dozen of the other

[@Arak_Drakoniz]

This describes the Christian community so well.

[@yum33333]

"The undercity looks like an unfinished beta map" You gotta keep in mind that this was top-tier graphics at the time it came out. I remember my desktop STRUGGLING to run this game. They had to keep the polygon count low, so parts will look "unfinished", it's unavoidable for the technology of the time. Also, when you complain that the planets aren't big enough - keep in mind that when this game came out, CDs were total garbage. This game took up 4 disks!!! The game world was one of the biggest EVER made.

[@ThisisKyle]

It took up 4 discs? I only remember 1 disc

[@samuteel]

@@ThisisKyle Nope I can confirm it had 4 disks. You only needed 1 to play it once everything was downloaded though.

[@brentr9161]

@PKD Orion Xbox used DVD's so they could store more data. PC's at the time used regular CD's so it wasn't uncommon for games to start requiring more and more discs. As DVD drives became more common games starting going back to 1 disc for awhile.

[@Nick281051]

PKD Orion I believe most console games are blu rays but also require other files to be stored on the hard drive since blu rays usually only hold about 50 gb of data if I remember correctly

[@averagechadlegionary5824]

Samuteel Funny too bc now the game is on IOS and Android lol

[@zaknew2878]

I would seriously recommend playing KOTOR 2 with the Restored Content Mod after this, not least of all because the KOTOR 2 actively agrees with your criticism of the Jedi Council.

[@kevinzhu6417]

KOTOR 2 is still one of my favourite games of all time, that mod really helps in realizing the full potential of the game and for me, solidifies it as one of the bestRPGs of all time

[@StonedGoth1919]

Kotor 2 fixes pretty much every complaint salt has as far as dialogue and story are concerned

[@thespiritofjonathanjoestar6805]

Where can we get the restored content mod? I'm certainly playing both games in the future so...

[@supraphone9705]

@@thespiritofjonathanjoestar6805 you can get KOTOR2 mods both from Steam and from Nexus Mods. The Restored Content Mod really is a must. Overall, KOTOR 2 is a MUCH better game to play on PC in 2020 than KOTOR 1, because modders actually made KOTOR 2 enjoyable to play on modern hardware. I like KOTOR 1, but I remember it running much better on my old ThinkPad T61 with Windows Vista than it runs on a modern PC gaming rig.

[@RealLargeManTheGiantOne]

that said, the m4-78 planet sucks. it was cut for a reason.

[@Ironfist528]

Definition: 'Love' is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometres away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope. ... Yet for me, love is knowing your target, putting them in your targeting reticle, and together, achieving a singular purpose... against statistically long odds...” HK-47

[@agamer203]

complete gold.

[@Vanillastump]

I wish I had senior yearbook quotes for this exact reason.

[@Ironfist528]

@City Watch Guard Call me Lord Regent

[@Ironfist528]

@@Vanillastump I know right.

[@averagechadlegionary5824]

Love is the ignition of my lightsabers and the sound of them shredding through my enemies

[@esportsweapon6907]

As an ex-army guy, I can tell you the Jedi council has the same problems as any commanding force. You can't send them in directly because the knowledge, experience and leadership is too valuable to risk losing in some battle (that could be fought by a larger group of slightly less capable fighters who are told what to do). But at the same time, that disconnect from conditions on the ground make real time decisions less impactful and accurate.

[@3adgamd3r]

To be fair that’s why Revan was so amazing, he was able to both fight on the ground and organise the army simultaneously, he was broken levels of OP that you normally only see in Warhammer 40k lol

[@toastedt140]

​@@3adgamd3rBig Emperor of Mankind vibes for sure

[@3adgamd3r]

@@toastedt140 he gives big Primarch vibes ngl, like Guilliman at the start of the Mandalorian Wars and Perturabo by the end 😂

[@thomas5585]

And then Alexander the Great just fought on the front line every battle.

[@JosieJOK]

@@thomas5585but look what happened when he died. It was his genius and force of personality holding everything together and, when he died, it all fell apart to internecine squabbling amongst his generals. As for the Jedi Council, they handle the problem the same way the modern-day army does: put people in charge who have on-the-ground experience, and then watch as that experience goes more and more stale the longer they’re out of action.

[@crazypomp927]

I think HK-47 is my favorite RPG companion ever. "Meat bags" has never been the same since.

[@bunnlose]

By far the best game character ever!

[@zerpblerd5966]

he's one of the greatest companions in games ever!

[@mrgaudy1954]

Him recollecting the companions from the previous game in KOTOR2 is gold: *Mockery* : "Oh Master, I do not trust you! I cannot trust you or anyone ever again!" *Mockery* : "Oh Master! I love you but hate all you stand for! I think we should go and press our slimy, mucus-covered lips together in the cargo hold!"

[@bradsmithy4380]

Uncle Bender Bending Rodriguez approves, meatbag.

[@ourshit5725]

For sure👌

[@GlennDavey]

KOTOR is as much "Star Wars" to me as the movies. In every way it delivers a Star Wars story. When you go back to the other media you have a more fleshed out understanding of the world from having experienced KOTOR.

[@ourshit5725]

I prefer the Star Wars that KOTOR presents💯

[@Fr0stbyteGamezz]

Agreed! For me, kotor stands next to the best of star wars films and tv shows.

[@Kris-wo4pj]

I prefer it to other star wars media simply cuz even the mmo and the unfinished sequel is more thought through and easier to understand than the movies. The comics are a close second but they keep retreading the movie timeline. The books are hit and miss depending on who wrote them. Everyone always looks at me like im weird when i say the old republic is my favorite star wars anything. I only say clone wars for favorite movie due to nostalgia.

[@Mr._Anderpson]

Agreed. Not only is KOTOR just as much Star Wars as the movies, it is more Star Wars than some of them. The Disney Shilogy comes to mind.

[@GlennDavey]

@@Mr._Anderpson I call it "the great milking". When it's run the Skywalker saga into the ground, maybe we'll get some good new stories on screen from the Old Republic. Here's hoping.

[@lorddracule988]

Some issues I have with some of your points: "The jedi council does very little"- this is addressed as a problem within the story, not a flaw within the worldbuilding. The jedi CLAIM that they do their best to solve disputes and trust the force to guide them to the right path, but that it is very contradictory. The game spends a lot of time to explore the Jedi's hypocrisy and contradictions, instead of making the Jedi and the Sith simply black and white. "Why did they send the main character to the ruins of Dantooine instead of going themselves?"- Again, this is about the jedi being hypocrites and sort of incompetent, but ALSO because they know that the main character is Revan. They want this "new" Revan to go to the ruins because he/she has a higher chance of getting info from the place, rather than a random jedi

[@lorddracule988]

"They talk way too much about the dark side"- This theme of light and dark is not only one of the most prevalent themes in this game, but also Star Wars in general. It should be no surprise that they explore the moralities, benefits, and purposes of each side with many details. This is arguably one of the story's best aspects, but okay...

[@lorddracule988]

"It would make more sense if Bastila and the council knew that I was Revan"- the first big oof of this analysis.... She knows. And the council knows. But they tried to keep it hidden from the MC and the main cast so that they could manipulate the "new" Revan. That's what made the twist so much more powerful

[@lorddracule988]

"I don't buy into this redemtion Jedi stuff"- this point is irrelevant, cause whatever ethic stance you have when it comes the Jedi's moral code, it matter more in context than to you. The characters and factions have their own beliefs and codes to follow, and the Jedi trusted their own (even if it was flawed). What you would do in a situation like that doesn't matter to the story

[@lorddracule988]

Bastila's turn- You probably didn't follow her dialogue story, but her whole arc was based around her being conflicted in the Jedi way, and the ways of the force. She was always in doubt about the Jedi, her own abilities and was missing her family, meaning she was close to turning the whole time. Malak capturing her is what gave her that final push to the dark side, and realize she was maybe being to naive

[@andreyfisher7068]

I like how it naturally flows into KOTOR 2's story.

[@andrejjjj2008]

"It desperately needs a remake - probably the one that it'll never get." Famous last words.

[@sithsaiyan4529]

They better not ruin it with political correctness.

[@Red-Faction]

@@sithsaiyan4529 There are so many things that could ruin the remake if not handled correctly, political correctness is not really a front runner among them. There are a thousand reasons the sequels sucked. Political correctness was among those issues, but not one of the most important by any stretch. There are a million ways in which the overall franchise is being mishandled by Disney, why do we need to keep harping on political correctness? I know this is an unnecessarily confrontational comment, sorry to take it out on you. But it feels like Star Wars fans never shut up about political correctness. It's frustrating because Disney shows little consideration to the integrity of the story, the characters, or the world of star wars, and keep pumping out soulless, low quality, cash grab content that continually degrades the canon. Meanwhile all many Star wars fans harp on are their real world political views and the fact the Disney puts up the pretense of caring about liberal ideals instead of conservative ones. While extreme wokeness in media is annoying and makes for bad content, it's also only a minor factor in Star wars right now, not showing up in, or being the main problem with most bad star wars media. We should hold bad creators accountable by correctly identifying the things they are actually doing wrong, which is a LOT beyond annoying wokeness.

[@sithsaiyan4529]

@@Red-Faction it’s because they’re ruining almost every single franchise with the shit. It’s not just Star Wars by far, MCU, Dr Who, Picard, Watchmen, Batwoman, I’m just over all of it. After Spidey 3 I’m retiring from the movie theaters for a long time.

[@Red-Faction]

@@sithsaiyan4529 that's fair enough, there are franchises that have worse then Star wars with that type of thing, that's for sure. I'll try to keep in mind how berated by woke content people feel in general and try not get so annoyed with the constant complaints.

[@spencers1485]

@@Red-Faction alot of people hold the view that "wokeness" or "political correct" things are a root cause of being disrespectful with the source material. (I do as well). You can tell when a storyline is pushed just for the sake of wokeness and not for the sake of the product. I think you see alot of this in the sequels. Rey being a Mary Sue. Luke being completely thrown aside as a weak disgruntled character and the entire plot line of the last jedi with the Lady commander etc. They used hyperspeed as a weapon to justify the strong female commander sacrificing herself story. I'm by no means a star wars loremaster, but I don't think that was ever a thing or supposed to be a thing. So anyways it's not just political correctness like removing controversial statements or whatever, but its producers disregarding source material in remakes just to shove in their agendas.

[@093Megaman]

Wait did he do the entire Malak fight without destroying the jedi tanks himself? No wonder he didn't like it that would take forever.

[@ozOElTinkerOzo]

All he needed was drain life, pretty much what Malak is doing in that final fight. 😆

[@shanehudson3995]

I took every combat drug I had and one shotted him.

[@elnumbrotres]

CJ Gonzales you can also use stasis to let them become one with the force

[@ozOElTinkerOzo]

@@elnumbrotres I wanna say I was aware of that. But then I'd probably be lying to you. Always learning something new from other ppl, as well as perspectives. Pretty nice to have input like yours. Imma try that on this run through. I only bring up the drain thing, bc when I was a kid playing this, Malak was difficult n took forever to kill. 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@matteomariani5160]

elnumbrotres what? I always killed them, when I was light side I used “destroy robot”, I didn’t know I could save them. And I finished the game something like 20 times

[@coreywilson3493]

But, you can redeem Bastilla at the end... You just didn't choose the correct dialogue options. That's how, well, really any game with dialogue options goes when you choose the wrong options. That's an issue with the player's choices, not Bioware's development choices.

[@Feracitus]

i must be amnesic, i dont remember my bastila ever falling to the dark side.

[@coreywilson3493]

@@Feracitus She does after she gets captured by Malak on the Leviathan... It's literally unavoidable. You see her again at the top of the temple on Rakata (called 'Unknown Planet' in the astrogation chart you click on to go places), and she reveals that Malak convinced her to go to the dark side. After a quick (and easy) fight with her, she gives you the choice to join her. If you resist, she leaves and you fight her again on the Star Forge. If you join her, you automatically become dark side too and (after murdering Jolee, Juhanni, Mission, and most likely Zalbaar, and Carth runs away) fly up to the Star Forge to confront Malak.

[@Goodrowd]

@@coreywilson3493 no, i got her to come back to the light side literally 3 days ago when I finished the game.

[@Goodrowd]

then she ends up using her battle meditation against the sith fleet to help the republic win the battle while you go and fight malak

[@coreywilson3493]

@@Goodrowd ... Dude, what??? I wasn't saying that you can't redeem Bastilla

[@robertmitchard9769]

Internet: "Do you want to watch a feature length film regarding a 18 year old game" Me: "Where do I sign!"

[@JaccduLac]

Lmao

[@daniel_najar]

😂

[@Mephilis78]

Me: How could I lose?!?!

[@otacon6566]

"Where do I pay?" "It's free, no charge." "No I get that but where do I pay?"

[@cjdziesiuta1995]

Sign here, here, here, here, and Here, Enjoy you eternal torment!

[@sirmicah]

Everyone knows the only way to play this game is hitting on Bastila every 5 seconds.

[@alejandroflores8979]

Bahahahaahah lololololololol ☠☠☠💀💀💀

[@Azriel884]

@Magister militum same. She sucks🤣

[@stavroskoul732]

@Magister militum heretic

[@will_7430]

iv just completed it like 3 days ago and the fact that this is exactly what I did is quite funny

[@udozocklein6023]

@@will_7430 yeah well she is too cool to pass up a romance on :D

[@randanman]

The whole point of this game was to show how Revan used both sides of the force to get the job done. He knew when he should be passive and when he should be proactive. It points out how the sith are killing themselves for power and how eventually it will be their doom. It also points out how weak and useless the Jedi are until someone forced their hand.

[@nezzee]

I love listening to his whole spiel complaining about how it seems like the jedi council and republic does nothing, like with the Mandalorian war. Meanwhile I'm like... Almost like the storytellers are crafting you to have thoughts similar to Revan to make it understandable/believable as to what he/she did, and that you don't feel alienated from the twist... The whole first and second game were to almost kick the jedi off their pedastal and show why someone would walk away from what the movies built up to be the Justice League of Star Wars with super space wizards that can do no wrong. It still keeps the light/dark side of the force representing ultimately good and evil actions, but it does disenchant the Jedi as being a bunch of bureaucrats that are more worried about making a wrong decision than responding to a immediate threat (which obviously, many people can find frustrating). Obviously, it's still star wars, so dark side is corrupting and feeds off of strong emotions that eventually spiral you to classic villain "evil for sake of being evil", which is why Jedi actively try to AVOID these strong knee jerk reactions to avoid corrupting power of dark side (and why Revan/Malak fell victim of that corruption). All in all, they really did a good job of playing into the lore of star wars, while trying to detail out how someone could fall and "become" these villains. I wish they would have just made a KOTOR 3 instead of chasing money with an MMO (ruining what made KOTOR appealing), but oh well... That's just how the free market will do ya...

[@Merembor]

@@nezzee The biggest tragedy about their decision to make an old republic mmo instead of kotor 3 is, in my opinion, the fact that if you could strip the mmo part of SWtOR, it would be an amazing game with an amazing story and an insane level of replayability. Seriously, the game would be a massive classic if you weren't forced to interract with skimpy-dressed idiots jumping around all over the place.

[@benpage5088]

@@Merembor Very true, The Emperor of the Sith into Valkorion was an awesome plot, the trailers for the eternal throne are still deserving of a movie imo

[@JJJBunney001]

@@nezzee The problem with how the Jedi are portrayed is yes, it does show that your actions could be justified, but it's still extremely forced. The Jedi before and after were proactive against any sort of dark or violent forces in the galaxy. Their passive nature really did force all the conflicts in 1, 2, swtor and beyond. It's not bad writing exactly but it was lazy. And I'm a huge fan, next to Mass effect, this is probably my favourite series of all time but I can still recognise when it's lacking

[@HickoryDickory86]

@@JJJBunney001 Their particular inaction leading up to the Mandalorian Wars is explained in both KotOR 1 and 2, though. They had just fought a devastating war against Exar Kun and his Sith, with massive losses that crippled the Republic and the Jedi despite the victory. The Jedi, in particular, were still desperately trying to replenish their ranks as the Mandalorians started their attacks on the far flung worlds outside Republic space. It also didn't help that, quite obviously, the Jedi were in the midst of implementing numerous systemic reforms throughout the Order in a vain attempt to correct its perceived weaknesses that led to the fall of many to the Dark Side. They had been a very vast, decentralized, and rather unorganized mess. The reforms were meant to centralize the power and authority of the Order (the Jedi High Council, with smaller local councils answering ultimately to them) and standardize Jedi training and formalized a "code of conduct," if you will (e.g., forbidding marriage and family to Jedi, which had not been the case prior to the war with Exar Kun, when you had whole Jedi lineages and dynasties). Each reform would have naturally acted as a shock to the system, hopefully strengthening it over time but devastating in the meantime.

[@WikiHL]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="388">6:28</a> excuse me? Trask the Chad lived a warrior and died a hero

[@gabethebabe3337]

Who says Trask died? The dude achieved self awareness in the tutorial he’s basically a god

[@violentblue355]

@@gabethebabe3337 Trask's a god. How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence..

[@animore8626]

The chad enlightened 4th wall god Trask Ulgo vs the virgin Dark Jedi NPC #43535343, I think we know who won there

[@Rosecain27]

@@violentblue355 oh wow

[@Green-Raccoon777]

@Martin Luther After Trask destroyed the dark jedi stand in virgin, he broke the fourth wall so hard he manifested through the developers laptop at night, went his bedroom, kicked him out, and slept with his wife. Currently, Trask Chad's are unknown hence why I refuse to get a girlfriend as until he is found there will be a chance she will be stolen. Man, I wish I was Trask.

[@quinnmarchese6313]

i just love how the jedi council "not doing much" is literally the theme of the next Kotor game, where the masters each have separate ruminations on passivity vs impulsivity.

[@kevinoneil5120]

My favorite aspect of KOTOR 1 is how you don't need to know a damn thing about Star Wars to understand what's happening; it's explained to the player as if they've never watched the movies.

[@Guitar-Dog]

It's as if the movies hadn't happened yet 🤔

[@Guitar-Dog]

It's the OLD republic for a reason

[@pauloricardo-wn6ps]

​@@Guitar-Dog the films does not establish only plot but world building as well, and bioware could had used the movies to get away with not explaining the world of their games

[@awaken_the_dreamers_8475]

@@pauloricardo-wn6ps with all fairness they didn't really have to because of all the books they might have used for source material especially at the time of the release of the game there were tons of star wars books that took place before and after the fall the of the jedi. This is just my opinion though.

[@knavenformed9436]

@@pauloricardo-wn6ps The only thing you need from the movies to "get" KOTOR is "There are space wizards" And that's pretty much how they explain it in the New Hope anyways.

[@Ok-np9rp]

KOTOR 2 would be a better review I think. It has more of an emphasis on neutral options and the story is just better in my opinion. Edit: Its a shame, you actually missed some of content, some of the best: Sand People History, HK-47, sneaky guy on Manan. This really is best played multiple times. Dark side is interesting too.

[@TheSaltFactory]

You know, I was gonna hit up the Sand People history, but they wanted my Krayt pearl and I kind of backed out of it. Maybe I should have seen it through and reloaded after.

[@artur6912]

Probably the biggest improvement in KOTOR 2 was the fact that you actually run normal speed in the space suit. The plot is certainly less straight forward and the game loves it ambiguity and subverting expectations, but If you want a regular Star Wars story, with good Jedi and bad Sith, then Kotor 1 is better in this regards, I know I had a hard time with KOTOR 2 plot the first time around (and it doesn't help that large junks of the game got cut).

[@benackers2655]

@@artur6912 At least a lot of mods re add the content and if Salt plays Kotor 2 anytime soon I highly recommend playing with some graphics and restored contents mods

[@mav8535]

@@TheSaltFactory give him the pearl, talk with him ist super cool, and than steal something from a crate there and kill every single sand peps (even the woman and children) and proceed from not gaining dark side points and getting all the loot and your pearl.

[@toadofsteel]

@@artur6912 I liked a lot of the subverted expectations of Kotor 2 to be completely honest. It felt like a meta-commentary on Star Wars as a franchise more than anything else. The idea that the player really wasn't anyone special, that Force bloodlines are kind of overrated, and just the idea of someone turning away from the Force were all incredible. Probably what made me hate TLJ much less than many other people as well.

[@bugbitesquared5319]

I saw "BIOWARE'S CLUNKY MASTERPIECE" in the thumbnail and my first thought was "ok, which one?"

[@MikeSSDD]

@j DA:O is pretty clunky on console though. PC is good. (I will admit that the multiple playthroughs I have of DA:O were on console.) Played it so much that by the time I finally bought it on PC I was sick of it.

[@MikeSSDD]

@j main issue is you're stuck with the ground level behind character view at all times. No tactical view

[@Owl90]

@j DA:O is one of my top 3 games of all time. It's probably the game I have played most times to completion. It's really amazing how Bioware managed to make sequels that were sub-par in every aspect of story, gameplay and visual design, while having one of the best realized rpg games ever as a base.

[@averyodowd6448]

You fighting the first boss: So I switch between my party members a lot for maximum tactical impact. Me fighting the first boss: **puts down 20 mines before opening the door.**

[@Centurianmyths]

Amen

[@jcdenton2187]

I was a Consular/Scoundrel on my first playthrough, so that made the final battle against Malek ridiculously hard since i had no party members to occupy him for me to blast him with force powers.... So i ended up cheesing his AI by laying down a bunch of mines and spamming him with grenades when he was stationary. Even when i played through with a more combat-oriented build i found this worked better. Really, the game's combat is pretty garbage when it takes away your party. Thankfully it makes up for it in other ways and most of the time in combat you get to use your full party

[@sarahfrench9336]

How I fought the rancor

[@Azrael88demon]

@@jcdenton2187 If u played consular your best bet is getting force drain and draining Malek's force batteries after that Malek falls easy.

[@jcdenton2187]

@@Azrael88demon i think i remember doing that on my third playthrough with a better consular build.

[@Fordo007]

KOTOR was the first RPG I played as a kid and the fact I could have friendships and relationships with companion characters was mind blowing for me. Bastila still feels like a childhood girlfriend looking back on it.

[@jmsimplysuperior.7367]

@ayy lmao shes arrogant for a good reason

[@urekmazino6800]

lol i loved mission back then and bastilla XD

[@xxvaltielxx1789]

Yeah, Bastila was such a sheltered Tsundere wich had been brainwashed since little, so I never really disliked there

[@mahatmaniggandhi2898]

@@urekmazino6800 i think i killed her using the wookie

[@kevo300]

Kotor is a game we might never get again. The story, gameplay, setting were all amazing.

[@landanross2966]

>gameplay I love kotor but nah lol

[@SuperSwineGod2MaximumOverSwine]

@@landanross2966 That's just like your opinion man. If your a fan of the D20 system then you'll enjoy the gameplay of kotor 1&2. It's automated 3.x rules lite Gameplay of Kotor 1,2 and DA:O is my preferred take on video game RPG genre. I can't stand DA:I because it wasn't the same D20 system as in DA:O/kotor, but that's like just my opinion man. Let people like what they like.

[@CaptainAmercia]

Kotor 2

[@PalletEater214]

Not the gameplay l, if it was like swtor so I’d like it way more. Credit to bioware for having good writing b/c the gameplay was horrible but the thing that kept me going was the story.

[@darkmoon8960]

SealSlayer56 it’s not that bad and besides it’s an MMO RPG made in 2003

[@elijah4168]

I remember being about 6 years old and not understanding the plot at all. I loved Star Wars but being 6, I couldn't help it. The only thing I did was play the gladiator matches over and over and over again but I could never beat the second guy. Those were the days

[@johnnybensonitis7853]

Haha! I remember playing games that young and having a similar experience. Then you get a bit older and have that special moment when you realize there is SO much more that particular game!

[@tgzus40oz2]

Bro are you me?

[@TY-km8hj]

Broo I was the same. I remember being like 4 or 5 and playing this on xbox but not knowing what to do at all. I didn't knw how to make decent characters either so I literally put all my attributes into strength and nothing else.😂when I finally replayed this when I was about 8 or 9 and acc left taris for the first time I was so excited. That was probs one of my best gaming moments. I've beat this countless times and can always go back and play it. Kotor 2 I'd argue is acc better than the first as long as u have it on pc wid restored content

[@adaptorperish1322]

Yup, add knowing no English to that! Haha

[@LG67-z4s]

lol I was 13 and I couldn’t figure out how to get off Taris... so I quit and came back a year later and then I discovered just how awesome it was. I had never played a game like that. The twist blew my mind

[@joearnold6881]

Did he... kill Bastila? On a light side play through? Didn’t he know you can hook up with her? Canon Revan not only saves, but marries her. How did h... You have to TRY real hard to fail at saving her on a light side playthru.

[@ryano9520]

I did it once...when I was 5

[@fordpines4661]

He also let Malak heal like 10+ times instead of destroying his healing sources.

[@ryano9520]

@@fordpines4661 no I have never expected an intellect incapable of understanding cutting off supply lines are a good call.

[@ripvanwinkle7689]

I didnt even pass the speech check and still ended up saving her maybe because my light side meter was at full

[@TainyaGaming]

My light side playthrough I failed at saving her

[@seanpeacock4290]

The trial at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3210">53:30</a> can be absolutely hilarious if you get to a specific room in the sith base and properly rescue some local kids. It's been a while but I think the trial goes something like: why were you in the sith base? to kill sith why did you kill the sith? because they needed killing any closing remarks? they were trying to brainwash your kids, here's proof. can we go now? yes

[@Crumblicous]

YOU KILLED BASTILLA? I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU COULD DO THAT. I've played this game a dozen times.

[@razvanmazilu6284]

Yeah, you can kill her, but I do think it's weird that somebody playing it full on light side would get this ending. I was able to turn her back to the light side every time I tried. I don't know the exact details, but I read somewhere that the dialogue in the final encounter has hidden points assigned to each dialogue option. Depending on what you choose, you can gain or lose points. If you didn't get enough of these hidden points through the choices you selected, you can't save her. So I guess he must've picked some of the "wrong" dialogue options in their final encounter.

[@zealous944]

no one tell him that in revan cannon he marries her lol

[@handsomejamesgrandinternet2106]

You could and should

[@Bawks_FEET]

I did both, I tried to save her and she said no so I killed her easily and then I reloaded and saved her and continued from there

[@cameronvalencia6023]

If u complete the romance quest with her, after the kiss cutscene, and talk to her again afterwards, theres a glitch that doesnt let u redeem her at the end. Sooooo dont talk to bastila after the kiss scene and bring it up to her ever again. The side quest is complete anyways and you should be done with her mother's quest by that point.

[@TheGlamourNazi]

“I find myself agreeing with Revan” More than you know....

[@ianlopez5108]

Username checks out

[@Revanchist]

@@ianlopez5108 Revan was right in every regard. The Jedi and Sith are just plain wrong...

[@comicsans1689]

@@Revanchist I don't subscribe to centrist gray grand sacrifice against meme-level overpowered Sith in the unknown regions Revan created by Obsidian. My Revan was a man of integrity who understood that the Jedi, while not perfect, are necessary for order and that the Sith only spread chaos, which is unsustainable for civilization (Jolee Bindo's outlook). My Revan was given a chance for redemption after he let power consume him from the Mandalorian Wars.

[@MinuteLeech2]

Reminds me of those memes of Obama putting a medal on himself

[@thecourierNCR]

@@comicsans1689 these fedora tippers just won't quit. They think they're above it all and refuse to approach both philosophies with logic (which they ironically claim to be all about)

[@enzoofelba]

This game helped me learn English at a time I desperately needed help. It will always be an iconic part of my childhood

[@randomnerd3402]

That's awesome! Shows how much subtitles can do in visual entertainment

[@enzoofelba]

@@randomnerd3402 for sure, subtitles were one of the major reasons I was able to learn how to speak. I had a girlfriend in high school that also learned to read by playing Knights of the Old Republic

[@doctorbrown5957]

@@enzoofelba That's awesome lol, for me this game definitely helped. Shenmue and Conker's Bad Fur Day taught me mostly, for better or worse

[@shanestephens4728]

I mean this with all respect; your English is fantastic. Punctuation, sentence structure, pronouns - they’re all there. ❤️ may I ask what your native tongue is?

[@TheDrunkMunk]

Games like this are amazing for language learning. Kotor helped me a lot with my German.

[@Archius9]

Jolee has my favourite dialogue choice of any video game. When he’s telling you a long winded story about his life and you get to reply “I hate you old man”

[@M_4160]

Fun factoid, Sarna the off-duty Sith Officer is the voice of Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender

[@comicsans1689]

Now that I think about it, they do have similar voices.

[@tbgsincere1441]

I knew it

[@SpaceTalon]

Well that explains... things.

[@miles6283]

And the lawyer from Manaan is Liquid Snake from MGS

[@whatdoyouwant7177]

She voices a lot of characters in this game, including Shaleena, the outcast who tells off the men trying to shake you down at the Undercity elevator, and Lena, Griff's old flame you bump into on Dantooine. In KOTOR II, she gets a starring role as the Handmaiden. Also (Avatar spoilers), Kevin Michael Richardson, voice of Jolee Bindo, was the voice of the Lion Turtle in Avatar, as well as other characters like Haru's dad

[@megaphattdolfin1498]

I don’t understand how he manages to beat this many big ass games, write the script, and edit the videos this often

[@TheSaltFactory]

It's all I do besides walk my dog

[@AdamMoonyLes]

@@TheSaltFactory the good life

[@conor9345]

The Salt Factory thanks for the time stamps for the planets

[@Bawks_FEET]

@@TheSaltFactory thats awesome lol

[@adaptorperish1322]

Skills, son! But, seriously, I agree, that's a lot of work. But do not fail to notice that each video is getting better and better in every aspect (even the length).

[@alebop8966]

Literrally one of the greatest games ever. I think KOTOR 2 is even better

[@alsaiduq4363]

Kotor 1 is star wars the movie the game. Kotor 2 is "what if we started to question how this universe actually work and what if the jedi and sith are more than good and evil ?"

[@Bored_Barbarian]

KOTOR 2 was rushed sadly :( so much cut

[@TheRagingNacho]

mlouden03 still a classic regardless. Imagine how good it would be if it was released as intended.

[@Xxbte96xX]

Agreed. It just felt like a big improvement in almost every way.

[@roberth4395]

KotOR was a masterpiece. KotOR 2 was borderline mediocre. I do not understand people who put 2 over 1. KotOR is the best Star Wars movie never made. KotOR 2 as a stand alone game is not even good. If you need the first game to make the 2nd one better, then it is just not better. The characters in the first game are amazing, in 2 they are boring compared to the original cast. KotOR is finished KotOR 2 is an unfinished buggy mess that requires an unofficial patch to make it into a full and playable game. _How could a botched mess be better than KotOR?_ Revan vs "woah you were the 1st man of Revan you are so cool woah" . C'mon now, KotOR 2 playable characters are trash other than Kreia. Remove Kreia, the original cast and the only good character left is Atris. Sion and Nihulus are the worse sith characters ever created. Literally both of them are mute. They do not have any personality or goal. (a zombie and a vampire how original) KotOR is the better game by a very long shot.

[@Tamamal]

I remember back in the days paying little to no attention to my character’s face. When I watched the Revan’s face reveal, I was like Uh ? Who’s that guy ? Still, good times.

[@Cunnysmythe]

I knew I was Revan before I even got the game, knew what to expect in the reveal and I still didn't recognize the face

[@Chopstorm.]

@@Cunnysmythe Yeah, your characters hair was mostly covered by the hood and had the dark side appearance. It was in a time when the same faces were used all the time, so if there was _any_ variation from your character, it may as well been someone completely different. I felt the same way during my first playthrough. Especially since it was on a grainy 30 inch tv that was practically on the other side of the room. Good times.

[@dante7302]

We all know Super Bombad Racing has not only the best story, but the most lore in the entire Star Wars universe. It's a shame Disney retconned it.

[@harbl99]

They realised it set an unreasonably high bar for anything that followed.

[@leviwarren6222]

Pff, Super Bombad Racing wishes it was Masters of Teras Kasi.

[@chellise]

"the council doesn't actually seem to do anything, they preach but never practice" Oh boy you're gonna have a fuckin GREAT time of Kotor 2

[@ebonslayer3321]

If KOTOR 1 dethrones the Jedi, TSL fucking buries them.

[@broomsbee3712]

@@ebonslayer3321 Just to be clear here though, the Jedi Council wasn't "wrong" in their decision. (Depending on what is and isn't considered canon I guess) The Jedi Masters were reluctant to go to war because they could sense/feel the additional suffering that that would cause (in the form of the Jedi Civil War.) This post: www.reddit.com/r/kotor/comments/55uy3b/why_did_the_jedi_council_not_fight_in_the/d8dy5ha/ From one of the main contributors to the KOTOR sub reddit does a good job explaining why it's more complicated than "The Jedi Council doesn't actually do anything."

[@realKenM]

@@broomsbee3712 Sounds like Jedi propaganda but okay

[@Neuviletteiudexofmemes]

@@broomsbee3712 But they couldn’t sense beyond that, to the eventual invasion of the True Sith, which would have flatlined the Republic without the additional strength prompted by the War.

[@BLooDCoMPleX]

@@broomsbee3712 Kind of reminds me of another franchise, one that influenced Star Wars at that, Dune, and how the protagonist of that series at some points finds himself paralyzed to act because every single possible future that he can choose ends in unbearable suffering and agony across the entire humankind. Frank Herbert states very clearly in those books how inaction and stagnation will bring extinction though, so from that perspective, the Jedi would be shown to be in the wrong. I think since we never got a 3rd KotOR game (books and MMO do not count), the debate can go on forever.

[@robertparker6280]

I'd tell you, playing this game when I was 14. I saw the twist, I literally dropped my controller, ran upstairs told my parents "OMG! I've been playing as a bad guy this entire time!", then ran back downstairs.

[@dbleaker]

same - I think this was the best moment i've ever had playing video games

[@B0K0691]

Spoilers....

[@scorpion7873]

I mean this video has a spoiler warning at the beginning, you have to expect going through the comments will also have spoilers.

[@dorianleakey]

I am guessing i9f salt factory hadnt played it before he wouldnt have got the twist, it was not an obvious one at all.

[@anthonyshanaman5637]

@@B0K0691 spoil deez nutz

[@kevinoneil5120]

Finishes Kashyyk: Finally, no more Wookiespeak! Arrives on Manaan: *fishyfishyfishy*

[@Gizmomaster]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3475">57:55</a> “Your Honor I’ve already payed off all the witnesses to lie for me on the stand but I’ve changed my mind about defending my client after I found out he actually is guilty of the crime”.

[@Great_Olaf5]

Thank you, I needed that laugh.

[@HenryConway007]

You’re disbarred!

[@sanghelian]

handled the case like a true jedi master

[@MahDryBread]

I love the companion rankings gag, the music completely sells it

[@stulmn4365]

You just have to love seeing a comment from one of your favorite youtubers on an awesome video of another one of your favorite youtubers!

[@AutisticPotato7]

I like to call it, community building.

[@captainmaim]

the best thing about the game is how companions have different commentary based on who else is in the group. I replayed this game like ten times with my roommates back in 2004. It turns out, if you do enough dialogue-mining with your companions on the ship, you can resolve ALL of their backstory issues. You're like, Darth Freud!

[@Bludgeoned2DEATH2]

Hi MDB! I finally caught you in the wild :D

[@FosukeLordOfError]

Oh hey it's mdb, I agree the companion ranking was a great gag.

[@avalen767]

So that’s where Alistair’s ”Swooping is bad” line came from in DA:O.

[@shrine17]

if he does dragon age reviews i may cry in happiness i love those games

[@adaptorperish1322]

Holy shit, that's gonna be a lot of work!

[@jacobp.4593]

@@shrine17 What games? DA:O is the only game in the series.

[@allknowingfreddybear9291]

@@jacobp.4593 I don't know inquisition was quite cute. Got over a hundred hours out of me anyways.

[@HeyImLucious]

Fuck now I wanna replay DA:O and shun the swamp witch

[@thepriorstone4064]

Malaks laugh sounds like he literally practiced in the mirror for hours trying to sound as evil as possible, and it’s adorable

[@tainehasselberg2272]

here ye here ye hereye

[@vetreas366]

He would have had to, what with him missing his lower jaw and all.

[@titanjakob1056]

They should’ve saved it until we see what’s under his mask because that laugh without it is disturbing lol

[@MitchJohnson0110]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1640">27:20</a> In the context of the Old Republic universe, and this storyline, I think the Jedi Council being portrayed as hypocritical, and a bit lazy is on purpose. It's real easy to role-play as a sith, when you see the Jedi Council just sit on its ass.

[@stevencastjohn701]

The council sitting around is what got Revan and all the Jedi that followed him to act based on Kotor2. They followed a hero into the darkness. And he turned as many of the rest as he could for the next war that swtor ruined.

[@comicsans1689]

@@stevencastjohn701 You don't need KOTOR 2 to see that Revan and the Jedi went to war because the Jedi council didn't want to jump in. If anything, KOTOR 2 ruined the story by trying to read too deep into Revan by making him some sort of messiah figure instead of another powerful Jedi and Sith.

[@BarlytheDwarf]

@@comicsans1689 If anything it's the complete opposite of that, my dude - Revan was explicitly referenced as someone who was _not_ a messianic figure, merely a man, who could move people because he was a natural leader. Being Sith, Jedi, or something in between, was secondary to that trait, as was his power. I mean, let's think about the themes of KOTOR 2 for a moment: Radical individualism, force of will, power through adversity, surreptitiousness, rejection of fatalism - Revan has, as an established (or in this case, referenced) character, these traits in droves. He's held up to the player as the apex of certain values, which you can either strive for, or reject outright. Revan's role in KOTOR 2 is to be a tool for certain philosophical juxtapositions the player is presented with, and to build on certain mysteries, especially about the ends justifying the means, and the nature of the Sith. To be frank, KOTOR 1 has far more of a "chosen one" -narrative, though, to be fair, it's still quite subtle. Now, I want to make one critical distinction: The ending of KOTOR 2 gets vague as hell, and I can see your point if you're specifically talking about the final conversation you have with Kreia; I'm still not, to this day, entirely sure what they were trying to imply about Revan (and presumably also the Exile) going off to fight a secret war or something. Admittedly, that does get a bit messianic, especially when the implication is that Revan is waiting for the Exile to join him, even though there is no possible way he could ever know she had regained her powers or was even back in action, for that matter. Then there's also the fact that for some reason (???) he had to leave everything behind to join (or possibly lead?) the fight. It made sense for him to try and manoeuvre the galaxy towards preparing for a war against something needs galaxy to be unified against, but to go off and fight it alone makes no sense and kind of implies that the Jedi Civil War didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

[@comicsans1689]

@@BarlytheDwarf Going off of restored content and what Chris Avellone has said in interviews, it was basically going to be a supercharged version of what happened in TOR and the Revan novel. There was supposed to be these extra powerful Sith in the unknown regions that Revan was trying to unite the galaxy to fight, but it didn't make sense to fall to the dark side to do that. If stopping those Sith was Revan's true goal from the start, he could have easily gained the Republic's full support plus the Jedi that believe in him. All that would oppose him is the stubborn Jedi, which he could fight off with the Republic's backing (why would the Republic back the Jedi that turned their back on the Republic in this situation?). It seems like Chris Avellone was trying to take a page out of the EU with the Yuuzhan Vong and how Palpatine's Empire was originally created with the goal of unifying the galaxy against the Vong threat. It worked better then because Palpatine didn't divide the galaxy to accomplish it. If not for the rebels that formed after the Empire's establishment, Palpatine's plan would have worked great. I don't think Drew Karpyshyn originally envisioned Revan's fall as a sacrifice for the galaxy. The way that KOTOR 1 portrayed Revan indicated that he was a great man that was consumed by the thrill of power and battle after the Mandalorian Wars, which gives some credibility to the Jedi's caution. KOTOR 1 stressed clearly that even the best and brightest on the light side can be seduced by the dark side, which is in-line with George Lucas's ideas.

[@TrenchantAtheist]

@@comicsans1689 The Empire wasn't created with the goal of defeating the Vong; Palpatine had already created the Empire when Thrawn realized that the Empire was well equipped and well organized to handle the Vong threat that Palpatine hadn't known about yet. Thrawn had also warned Palpatine that their resources would be better spent on larger, distributed fleets, rather than expensive, one-off threats like the Death Star. It was just tragically ironic that the Empire was ultimately the lesser of two evils, and was defeated before the greater evil could be addressed. It's also not unheard of for a Jedi to go to the dark side to defeat another dark sider - Luke did this himself to defeat the Palpatine clone in one of the books. But you are right that it would make more sense to lobby the Republic for support first, and try to coerce the Jedi to assist after the Republic was already moving against the external threat. Being as passive as they were, the Jedi were always more likely to get involved in a fight if their friends were already in it. As far as the messianic angle, I agree with both of you guys -- Revan was a great dude with a lot of character attributes who fell. The main reason to separate him from other Sith is that he didn't lose his intelligence or ability to gain his own wisdom over time -- maybe think of him like Gus Fring from the Breaking Bad universe (an intelligent man with a lot of insights on how people work and how to live a principled, if ignoble life). I chalk up Krea's declarations as just mere post-hoc prophecy, a poetic recounting of a historical event that will eventually become legend, the way people normally exaggerate events before writing them down.

[@Rsmmt1009]

Yooooo... you can romance Bastila and have a much deeper relationship character-wise with her. Then you can bring her back to the Light side... there is a lot of inter-playing dialogue that is missed unless certain things are done in order. You missed another sequence of the Maanan trial - if you prove the Sith are manipulating their youth, they immediately ban the Sith and remove any chance they could perform a take over. Oh, and seriously awesome script for this video. Loved the "fresh" take you had on it!

[@aqmohra4]

The great thing about this game was that you felt like you were actually in the star wars universe while playing this game unlike the new Star Wars and Star Trek movies which feel like generic universe

[@RMBII91]

Agree on the movies, they try but it doesn't quite live up. But some of the recent Star Wars games are certainly fun and while they don't capture the same feel and spirit of OG Star Wars games (specifically SNES, N64, PS1, Xbox) they're enjoyable. I'd rather throw in KOTOR 1/2, Shadows of the Empire, Jedi Outcast, or even Super Star Wars over EA's Battlefront II for example.

[@informitas0117]

@@RMBII91 what recent Star Wars games are fun?

[@RMBII91]

@@informitas0117 I enjoyed Fallen Order, had that Jedi Outcast/Academy feel and the fairly open worlds were fun to explore. Also it was "free" to download with Game Pass Ultimate lol. Hoping they make a 2nd one, I'll gladly buy it.

[@RMBII91]

@@informitas0117 The VR Star Wars games were also fun, simply because you feel like you're literally in the universe. Much prefer a controller but I'm excited to see where VR is in 10 years.

[@CameronKujo]

@@informitas0117 Battlefront 2 is fun now. But they’ve stopped development when they gained 1 million NEW players 😑

[@WisnuNurAlam]

HK-47 hands down is one of the reason why this game is 10/10 for me

[@wabush01]

Playing this back in 2003 for Christmas was mind blowing. It's still one of my favorite games as well as Kotor2.

[@Alter292]

Honestly, I loved how quirky Carth's voice acting was. He would stay on my team as long as I could keep him until the jedi arrived. Same with canderous

[@JosieJOK]

I liked his voice acting, too. Good thing my go-to team was always Carth + 2 Jedis, so he was always in my party. I found that having one ranged character helped avoid too much melee congestion.

[@agamer203]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="67">1:07</a>:02 Let me, a nerd, answer that: The reason is that the Masters need to stay on Coruscant and Dantooine to train new Knights. A Master isn't that much better in battle than a Knight, they just have a better understanding of the Force and the Jedi Code (Mace Windu, for example, was just as powerful as a Knight as he is when he's a Master. He only got promoted for putting in time and dedication). EDIT: Gameplay tip -- you can use any Dark Side Force power on the imprisoned jedi to drain them, and thus deprive Malak of his healing.

[@ImJustTen]

Technically no and yes a Master is appointed like you said through time and dedication but they aren't the same as a Knight, a knight is better then a Padwan at skills but mentally they are pretty close because they still try and do things and act in certain ways unlike a master who shouldn't act but be guided. The prequels show this perfectly as Jin is basically what Jedi are actually suppose to be good people but use the force where it is need to follow said path they feel

[@agamer203]

@@ImJustTen ...but skill in battle is still essentially the same between them?

[@Draeckon]

There's also a light or neutral side ability you can use to free them.

[@agamer203]

@@Draeckon 0_0 really? Cool. Thanks for telling me

[@cloudftw113]

@@agamer203 A master will naturally have far higher skill in battle than a knight (knight Obi Wan would be flattened by many of the opponents he faces later on in the clone wars) however, their most drastic amount of growth would take place during the padawan and knight elevation.

[@tickledpickle5671]

I remember always leaving my main character at lvl 3 for the ENTIRE Taris segment. It was more difficult, but made the rest of the game MUCH more interesting.

[@Omphalite]

"Nobody wants the green sabre" *Me who goes green almost every time*: Uh-huh?

[@ebonslayer3321]

I loved my Scoundrel/Consular. Backstabs and Stasis/Force Whirlwind was insanely powerful.

[@deoTS1]

i will forever associate green with the saber luke made. and qui-gon. green's the shit.

[@tristandelasuertemexcla]

Also better persuade with scoundrel

[@micshaz]

team green

[@defaultthedude]

The virgin team yellow vs the Chad team green vs lad team viridian

[@martinlaursen4020]

Best cardgame in any game ever? Others: Gwent Me an intellectual: Pazaak

[@SSDexter99]

Triple triad

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

Arcomage.

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

Ewww in-game cards. Just more shit I ignore to clog up my inventory.

[@untelmorveux]

caravan

[@Robert399]

It could be if it weren't utterly rigged.

[@shaelynmartin1996]

1: If/When you do KoToR 2, definitely play with the restored content mod. It does as it says, restores content. KoToR 2 was rushed in production and a lot of really good content was cut in order to push it out. The mod restores all that content (Or at least most of it) and definitely helps flesh out the story. Also, I highly recommend playing as a female character in the 2nd game simply because a lot of interactions with a specific character are the absolute BEST as a female (The best lines) but it also fleshes out a lot of content when played "canonically" as a female. Though it is a game meant for multiple playthroughs. 2: I do agree that the KoToR game would be better in this day and age with an option to play as a gray Jedi. I know you can still RP as one, but the power buffs you get going full light or full dark are so strong that trying to beat Malak at the end of the game as a stealth-based player with high persuasion and wisdom focus was really like trying to win a race without the use of your legs. (I'm so glad I like to horde grenades and mines is all I have to say on that front). 3: You can cut down on the end battle with Malak by going around and either draining the dead Jedi people yourself and/or destroying them. This makes it so Malak can't use them to replace his health. So it can save on time. 4: You can actually save Bastilla and get her to use her battle meditation for the good guys. 5: I think the most fun I have with this game is when I play it "canonically" through the Revan storyline. Male character->Go light side->Romance Bastilla->Do ALL the side quests->Save the world. There's something satisfying in playing the lore out that way. I usually end up doing a run-through of both games back to back, both canon runs. I usually switch up where Korriban falls on the list of worlds. Sometimes I do it last (Because then it falls after the revelation) and sometimes I do it first, each with different headcanons for it. When I do it first, my headcanon is that it's like Revan's first true test as a Jedi after leaving the academy, testing his will to be a Jedi, with Bastilla spying on his progress and reporting his movements to the Council. When done last, my headcanon is it's Revan's test for himself, trying to see if the dark side still holds any sway over him because, at this point in my run, I have romanced Bastilla and that is strictly against the Jedi Order. So, in theory, the dark side should already have a hold on Revan according to the Jedi teachings and Revan knows he would do anything to save the woman he loves. But he finds himself able to push through the temptation, and with some guidance from Jolee (The only Gray Jedi he knows who has fallen in love and not fallen to the Dark Side) gets through the planet without becoming the one thing he fears the most: Who he was in the past. But I truly love these games and the Star Wars franchise (Rise of Skywalker? What's that?). I would absolutely love for them to get a remake, and there are rumors that one *might* be coming. Just as there are rumors that a movie based on the plot of the games *might* be coming as well. Time will only tell. I know the games have their issues and a lot of the story beats can fall flat in this day and age (Ex: Dark Side is only by being the most mustache-twirling villain and Light Side is only by being the goody-two-shoes Mary/Gary Sue. And Neutral is kind of bland). I still love it though

[@wt4629]

He uses the KOTOR 2 soundtrack during the video, so he’s aware it exists at least.

[@alexafletcher8991]

Want a great movie franchise? Follow the rise of the sith empire. It is. Priceless.

[@Luchux177]

To me the ultimate test for a Light Side Revan is the tomb of Adjunta Pall. The fact that not only you can resolve the situation without combat (well, without fighting anything sentient) but if you have enough Light Side points and Persuation you can *redeem* the Ghost of one of the first ever Sith and allow him to pass on to the Jedi afterlife and see his old master again. *That* is the greatest proof that Revan is not corrupted by the dark side anymore in my opinion

[@yrrosi]

@@Luchux177 I disagree. Dealing with Griff in a patient manner is the true test for LS Revan

[@thunder9236]

This game was amazing. My dad was a drug addict and sold every game of mine when he'd drop me at school, this is the only game I hid. I remember playing at least 20 different games and changing my playstyles, eventually making a game out of how few level ups I would have to use before unlocking Jedi powers. For a while it was lvl 5, then it was lvl 3. You could save up all your level ups and unlock many more force powers/abilities, God I loved it.

[@blackhat4206]

I did the same. Always played a consular, so the extra force powers from saving those levels were a must.

[@barkley8285]

You still have it?

[@homerp.hendelbergenheinzel6649]

​@@barkley8285 I'm sure he has. You don't sell the game that influenced you very much - in whatever regard. I still have my original Fallout ( 1) CD + box and manual. A CD-ROM ( or DVD-ROM) drive I do not have for like 7 years, maybe even more. The immaterial value can't be weighed in money. It is on display in my ( or better said our) working/ office room ( yeah yeah, I'm a nerd =b) And is has nothing to do with games in particular. Some people have kept their plushies and so on. I'm sure that you, too, have kept something from your childhood, because it is very important to you.

[@TreesPlease42]

Build a shrine to your experience with the game

[@LLLammell]

Calo Nord on Tatooine is one of the most challenging foes I’ve ever faced and I play Dark Souls

[@django_freeman27]

He always slapped me around when I went to korriban 😭 ohhhhh elden rin- wait🤔

[@ebonslayer3321]

On my first playthrough he was a pushover, and I was playing a Scout/Sentinel (also known as the weakest build in the game).

[@Oodelally]

@@ebonslayer3321 He’s easy when you know what you’re doing. He always used to beat me on Korriban when I was younger, I find it easier as a guardian and when using stasis / stasis field on him and the other bounty hunters with him.

[@Regi_Keresztes]

I'm an avid dark souls fan but that first time with calo was impossible, I couldn't figure out how to make a decent character so it took around a hundred tries. He was harder than every boss in dark souls

[@ZeroSensed]

Aj Torres set strength 100

[@williamisenhower7967]

Button that allows you to activate lightsaber with a fancy spin: Exists Me, an intellectual: ITS SPAM TIME, BABY!

[@rowboatcyanide]

I don't quite remember how but there was a glitch with the force speed power and the flourish spam that made it absolutely freak out and I loved it

[@chrisallen9638]

Yup. No matter where I was running, the vast majority of the game I was spinning those lightsabers around everywhere I went.

[@williamisenhower7967]

@@chrisallen9638 Dude yessssss! Haha. VwooWhoom, all the time.

[@sgtjohnson49]

I'm glad I'm not the only one. Literally all game, including with vibro blades lol

[@klyxes]

Well, what else was there to do while you powerwalked between locations?

[@Golf744]

I played the whole game on the iOS apple store version while I was out on deployment this year on an aircraft carrier. Absolutely no texture issues to speak of, the only glitch I had was during the trial quest on Manaan, even though I convinced the Rodian to give me the information, the quest wouldn't update, and as such, I could not get the good ending to the quest and the guy was sentenced to life imprisonment. Definitely a good play with the bugs all fleshed on out iOS, if you're ever stranded with no internet for 7 months, it offers a good story. My first playthrough took exactly 25 hours of game time.

[@jesalt8230]

Hey, just by curiosity, are you stranded again?

[@bakubread9308]

oh my god you fought Malek without destroying the jedi tubes, RIP dude

[@TheSloppyjoejr]

You can destroy them?!?!? I’ve played this game so many times and I’ve never known that you can do that 🤦‍♂️

[@bakubread9308]

@@TheSloppyjoejr yeahh. after he healed twice i was like "okay there's no way the fight is just this" and quickly realized you could target them

[@NightHao]

@@bakubread9308 WHAT??! I literally just finished playing this a couple of days ago, I targeted them and just sent me there to oogle them while getting buttfucked by Malak. I had to inject every single drug in the galaxy to beat his cheating ass.

[@Onlyafool172]

It took em 3 tries to realize i could do it, and i almost made it on the first try without knowing about taking out the tubes

[@mahatmaniggandhi2898]

well now i know why thst fight took me forever 😭

[@wannabepoet9647]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1248">20:48</a> Canderous, or as I like to call him, ”Low-polygon Ron Perlman”

[@markl5998]

I don't know the actors name. But I knew immediately who you were thinking of, googled him and I was like yep

"War...war never changes..."

[@iansmith1369]

Star Wars.... Star Wars never changes.

[@brycesweeney6792]

Nah dude, he’s Arnold Schwarzenegger

[@jerryturgin6583]

"It's good to know Gods still down there, swimming the good swim" -TSF, 2020

[@gabethebabe3337]

Easily my favorite joke about KOTOR ever.

[@joshshin6819]

I dont get it.

[@thebiggamers999]

Just a small pointer, if you think the final bossfight is too long, throw lightsaber can destroy those tanks. If you can tank malak's damage you can destroy them all and kill malak in one go

[@sikid4000]

This game is still magical. We still need KOTOR 3 idc about canonicity or how long it has been.

[@shanemason5572]

How have you commented before the video was posted.....

[@alsaiduq4363]

After what they did with Revan and especialy the Exiled in the MMO, i rather not have Kotor 3.

[@sikid4000]

@@shanemason5572 I commented 3 minutes after the video was uploaded lol.

[@sikid4000]

@@alsaiduq4363 I don't consider that stuff canon.

[@alsaiduq4363]

@@sikid4000 Me neither but EA still holds the IP and dont think they would outsource a new kotor for other studios that they didn't owned. It would be Bioware and Bioware made the mmo (nowdays isn't at good shape).

[@bakubread9308]

When it comes to the Revan stuff, I interpreted Bastila's reaction as a "he's dead?!" reaction, and I assumed that the computer was programmed by the Infinite Empire to only open for people who shared their (very sith like) ideals. Granted, this was because I was already AWARE of the Infinite Empire before playing this game, so maybe that in and of itself threw me off and made the Revan reveal WAY cooler for me.

[@mattparker9726]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="67">1:07</a>:17 as a nerd I can answer this simply. Do 5 star generals IRL go directly to the front lines by themselves? No, they do not. In Star wars Jedi masters are essentially a cross between the aforementioned general and maybe something like a police commissioner? Take off darkside Bastila's clothes. she has new undies. 16 yo me loved that attention to *ahem* detail.

[@thefatecontrol]

More like a general and a college dean, or perhaps a catholic cardinal. Also there aren't that many Jedi masters and they have too many desk job tasks they have to do.

[@stevencastjohn701]

@@thefatecontrol I saw another youtube vid on the timelines. Apparently the jedi masters were basically knights that settled down and taught until the order centralized after repeated sith/rebel jedi broke away.

[@GentIemanThief]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="68">1:08</a>:15 There's a great example of this sort of thing done right at the end of Jedi: Fallen Order. Spoilers Below: After beating the final boss, Vader comes in, kills her, then casually swats aside your mentor. After that, you fight him. He has no health bar. After a few seconds, he gets bored of effortlessly parrying your attacks and starts to choke you. You then have to use the Force to fling a bit of scenery at him, which he catches without even looking. He tosses you away and throws said bit of scenery after you, giving you an opportunity to escape through a closing blast door, which Vader proceeds to crumple like tissue paper. Then it's just you running for your life as Darth Fucking Vader is absolutely shredding everything around you.

[@keerywindle1932]

Fun fact: Juhani (the Jedi girl who joins your party on Dantooine) was the only character in the game who you could also romance as a female character. In later versions they even changed it so she could only be romanced by another female character which is pretty cool.

[@jacksonwilliamson256]

I never knew that. I always kill her early for the second lightsaber early on

[@Blarglesnarfe]

WAIT, HOW DID HE GET BASTILLA TO DIE?! She like, ALWAYS comes back to the light when I've played, didn't know she could refuse.

[@benjamincretsinger1198]

It is easy if you pick the wrong choices in each conversion

[@barethor5869]

Simple, his choices were based on the fact that he didn't really like her from the beginning.

[@sarahfrench9336]

I reloaded every time I had to kill her

[@JamieC_94]

Only declaring your love for her, after successfully romancing her on the Ebon Hawk, will redeem her. Any other dialogue option will fail.

[@spacejesus6581]

Jamie Chatfield incorrect, if this was true then fem Revans would always be forced to kill her if LS, you need to complete her story but you don’t have to romance her

[@azarisLP]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="458">7:38</a> The Jedi Council went for "Battle Meditation" after rejecting "Magic Space Bard"

[@danagricken4197]

KOTOR is one of those games that will always be awesome, no matter the year. The story is still top-notch.

[@HYDRAdude]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2790">46:30</a> Revan did not put the star maps there and has no control over them. Plus, you can always enter the questions "wrong", completely missing out on the Revan connection.

[@juanlastra3502]

The Star Map was already there, the big hologram thing was put there by Revan, the hologram tells you something like "This facility was builded to protect the Star Map bla bla bla 75% or so chances that it was builded by the one who came after"

[@ramenking5]

"WHAT ABOUT THE SWOOP GANG ATTACK ON THE WOOKIES?!"

[@markgriskey]

Excellent!!! I agree with all of your complaints and suggestions about how this game could be better... strangly I was never "allowed" to talk to the script writers, lead artists, or other key people that created this game so my music was written pretty much blind to the story ... I guess they want to keep twisting and spinning the plot until the last minute and us composers just needed to "poop out a galactic unit" of "music" for all these possible manifestations of what this game would be... I personally worked through the holidays to make sure they had what they needed... but I never met "them" aka Bioware

[@kieranhurst8543]

This is the first game, you did the second. Assuming you actually are who you say you are.

[@Aqueox]

@@kieranhurst8543 Considering the fool has no idea what he's talking about, as you pointed out, well... Yeah. Details matter.

[@lorencproductions]

God, I appreciate your usage of the DK Country “water level” music for Manaan on so many levels. It was *just* faint enough, but I eventually figured it out.

[@Krisozz22]

Did you know that most of the guards are voices by the same guy who did the voice of Kain in legacy of kain? Instant nerd points

[@funhow123]

“We should hurry we need to help him immediately” *So by left clicking...*

[@newtnec2462]

I remember you can also attack the dead jedi things in the last boss fight so you do not need to wait for Malak to heal up every time

[@ZacksRockingLifestyle]

If you have (iirc) force drain, then you can use it on them before Malak can, so that you get to heal, and not him, but you get DS points... which mean nothing at that stage in the game

[@Icagel0]

The most impressive part for me when I played it is how they still made each area feel unique and cool. I was like "not Tatooine again ffs" at first but then it really delivered, same with other places and gave me a great appreciation of the story. I actually got the twist spoiled when I was ~60% through the game and it blew my mind a bit, but only made me more anxious to finish it. My fav part was the sith academy feeling though, I loved the cutthroat/backstabby ambient and knowing who to trust and how much. Definitely one of my favourite settings I wish was revisited more. Edit: ALSO I JUST REALISED YOU TOTALLY SKIPPED THE MOST DOWNRIGHT EVIL CHOICE IN THE GAME (Mission's fate)

[@will_7430]

missions fate?

[@Icagel0]

@@will_7430 you can mind control her best friend into murdering her if you take the evil path

[@will_7430]

@@Icagel0 oh damn

[@oh-not-the-bees7872]

I fucking love this games combat. Its the best real time rendition of d20 mechanics ive ever seen.

[@mochalavender9398]

Last time I was this early, Malak and Revan were still Jedi.

[@V2ULTRAKill]

Last time I was this early Exar Kun was still a jedi

[@egeorgiades93]

Last time I was this early, Ajunta Pall was still a Jedi.

[@sicthemutt]

@@V2ULTRAKill u win

[@matthiasnagorski8411]

Last time i was this early the midichlorians hadn't been invented yet.

[@eiszapfenderwutendenwinde3233]

Looking at Malak, i wonder if republicans are blind or just IGNorant. Malak was born bad. Just look at him! Skinhead, tattoos, robot voice and mechanical faceplate.... calling him a Jedai should be a crime.

[@universalpedagogue]

The Salt Factory: "Did anyone mention this in play testing??" BioWare: "Play testing? That's cute..."

[@coolbones]

Bruhhhh your videos are amazing. From the sharp commentary to the comedically appropriate music... (paper mario desert music, donkey kong water level, phoenix wright etc.) Please keep pumping out content.

[@BlackDahlia1147]

This vid is one of your funniest yet. I don't know if it's because I'm such a fan of kotor already, or because you found some extra funny shit, like persuading that shopkeeper after the fiftieth try. The editing was *chefs kiss* during the final fight with Bastila too

[@handsomejamesgrandinternet2106]

I imagine anybody who played this game and especially sequel explaining to their friends and girlfriends all the atrocities of mandalorian wars just to hear “But... Baby Yoda is adorable therefore mandalorian is a good guy”. #remembermalachore , #telosnevermore

[@timonsolus]

Тридог Найт : Response: “His name isn’t even Yoda...”

[@Kaarl_Mills]

God I hate Mandoboos... *Exterminates an entire race, glasses planets, hides behind a facade of "Honor", used child slave soldiers.* "BuT ThEYre CoOL!" I actually liked how early on in Clone Wars they showed Mando society changing for the better, what kind of warrior race are they if they've never won a war and got their cheeks clapped so hard by Revan that 4000 years later their descendants are still butt hurt about it. Then Maul had to ruin everything

[@timonsolus]

@@Kaarl_Mills : Mandalorians didn't use child soldiers. They were a nomadic warrior culture. When the men went to war, the women and children went too, it was either that or have no family life at all.

[@Kaarl_Mills]

@@timonsolus Ah the first salty Mando-boo starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mira She was enslaved and made to carry ammo, towards the end of the war they started arming the slaves and forcing them into battle

[@gunnerrobertson9121]

What’s a Mandoboo? Are they like bronies but with Star Wars?

[@Scarabola]

I imagine this is what the Fallout series would play like if Bethesda didn't buy it out.

[@TheReZisTLust]

Fun af

[@umadbroimatroll7918]

Look at van buren

[@noahfessenden6478]

As much as I love New Vegas, I would love a Fallout in KOtoR's style.

[@Dantleopold]

Maybe then it would be enjoyable still.

[@biglenin7306]

Unfortunately no. Interplay with running that franchise into the ground on their own. Just look at Fallout Brotherhood of Steel and Van Buren. Honestly it was for the best that the thesda picked it up

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

You know, Korriban becomes laughably easy at level 18. Jumping, slashing everything with two overpowered lightsabers, force waving things. At that point I could probably have done the whole planet solo, but Jolee and HK-47 have to fantastic commentary to leave them behind.

[@snark4611]

In the words of Carth Onasi, "DOWN YOU GO!"

[@thetwopointslow]

“TIME TO RUMBLE!”

[@nathang6376]

"I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT."

[@thomaskenish3593]

I legit just finished this game a week ago, what a god damn nostalgia trip and great pandemic time killer.

[@I_am_ENSanity]

God, I hope they do a full remaster of this franchise.

[@pississippian]

and for it to come to pc and console too.

[@comicsans1689]

The games are fine as they are, though I'm still made that Disney cancelled Apeiron.

[@konstantinoskalavrezos5273]

Dear god no do not let Disney touch Kotor for the love of god just no

[@euankenobi3517]

The mouse wouldn’t let that happen

[@kieranhurst8543]

One of my favourite things is how the Jedi ignored the Mandalorians before, then when you go to Dantooine, they are continuing to ignore them. It is great worldbuilding, showing how they really haven't changed at all, even with everything that has happened

[@Bludgeoned2DEATH2]

I've played this game dozens of times, with every alignment, light saber combo, I absolutely love this game and I still watched this entire video. It's amazing!

[@firthon]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="72">1:12</a>:01 You joke, but a player named "Scorchy" actually did a play through of this games sequel, Knights of the old republic 2 as "Jedi Jesus". The beard, the white robes, and a blaster in each hand. lparchive.org/Knights-of-the-Old-Republic-II/

[@chrisallen9638]

Oh my god, the blasters make it! It's the "Buddy Christ" action figure come to life!

[@mrscechy8625]

Obi-Wan is space jesus

[@doghat1619]

That let's play is still really good, before the Restored Content Mod was finished, scorchy went through and showed/wrote out pretty much all the cut content. He basically 100%'d the game for the light side on his playthrough, shows off a lot of content most players would miss.

[@brianmcelroy4733]

“How many pages do we have here.. 6. This might be a bit long” Me: like and subscribed

[@jmalb42]

Same

[@karfumble]

why??? His analysis and inability to grasp some pretty basic points makes me want to never waste time again. I watched the whole thing just to see if he actually added anything substantial to the discussion of the game... He didnt. Just because it's long doesn't mean its good.

[@corbandotson4295]

@@karfumble Man, watching his entire hour and a half long op ed really showed him! Good job

[@Frankovelli]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="570">9:30</a> This is largely the factor that stops me from thoroughly exploring dialogue trees because I find myself getting drawn out of the immersion after one or two questions because I project myself onto whoever I'm talking to and I would not have the patience to engage with some of these conversations like they're presented in these games. 1) Where's John? 2) I heard he was kidnapped by the Hells Angels for ransom. 1) Who are the Hells Angels? 2) They're a motorcycle gang with a history of kidnapping people. 1) What's a motorcycle? 2) Are you serious? It's like a car but with only two wheels. How have you never seen a motorcycle before? 1) Where can I find the Hells Angels? 2) Well, just about everywhere but mostly California, Connecticut, and Ohio. 1) Where's California? 2) I'm about to stab you right now... Roll for initiative.

[@TheLikenessOfNormal]

When he's halfway through manaan and I'm cringing cause he missed a bunch of the content in the base. Like the kidnapped selkath

[@micfail2]

I usually skip that stuff on purpose because Menan is way too boring way too long and way too grindy, I always rush through it as quickly as I can

[@grivello]

Thank you for the humorous and insightful review. Clunky now, ground breaking open world gameplay then. Rockstar and CDPR taking notes. Me with my mouth hanging open at the deep deep story. This came out the same time as the even clunkier Attack of the Clones. I always felt like this was the REAL Star Wars with all the factions and political plays and force abilities.

[@markl5998]

Kotor 1 and 2 will always be the most real star Wars to me

[@baron3904]

Attack of the Clones was fun in its variety

[@darthsonic4135]

“Then there’s that classic Star Wars intro scrawl that I actually never liked...” You have forfeited your human rights, friend.

[@johnhanifin1952]

This is the way

[@darthsonic4135]

@Heavy Metal Collector I’m very much of the “The Prequels are lightyears better than the Sequels” school of thought. Hell, of the Prequels, I think only Attack of the Clones was out and out BAD. Phantom Menace and Sith were both diamonds in the rough, with Phantom leaning towards rough and Sith towards diamond.

[@darthsonic4135]

@Heavy Metal Collector Also, the Intro Crawl was in a lot more than just the core films back then. There was a lot of good games that had this style of intro crawl.

[@Gabe7Gal]

@@darthsonic4135 This is literally my exact stance on the prequels as well.

[@CatoNovus]

There's far too many comments to check, but for future reference, to make the final Malak fight shorter, the player can run through the room and kill all the frozen Jedi. To make it even simpler, use a blaster and you don't have to use Force points.