Star Wars Shatterpoint - A GREAT game, with ONE flaw!

[@rolvirata9003]

It depends on what you think "Dead on arrival" means. If you think it means that it will sell more that 10th then of course it will fail. But I think that is an unrealstic goal. I think there are enough Star Wars fans + skirmish players that wont touch army games around to make the game successful but again we peobably need to define what is successful for a release like this.

[@GlassHalfDead]

I felt I had defined it, but I will hammer home the point that I don't really care about your the game sells. I care about the active player base. A star wars fan that buys the cool models isn't growing the community and helping people to get games in. This is a personal bias of course, as to the business spreadsheet a collector and a player is basically the same.

[@GuttedAU]

On the flip side, if one is tired of GW edition grind, prices and shenanigans then seeing a brand new, exciting game with a major IP, great production costs and a comparatively cheap entry cost, the launch timing might be a great thing. Ultimately the reality of non-GW products is that it is a hard slog no matter what. Better rules, better models, better IP, ideal launch date, the best you can hope for is a small but dedicated community.

[@NightfireGamingYT]

I have a lot of friends who are crazy Star Wars fans but not into miniature games. My first thought was the team sizes are small enough that I could make a few teams and it'd be easy enough to get them to play. Sounds like a great introduction to skirmish mini games.

[@GlassHalfDead]

I hope that's the case! This game shows many design choices that I think the more casual boardgame crowd will, if not like, have fewer issues with than classic wargamers. Certainly one of my friends who has said a very hard no to ever trying a game like KT, had no issues with taking Shatterpoint for a whirl. the power of Star Wars!

[@TravDadGamer]

Others have said it, but I will echo (base) it here - the target audiences don't have enough overlap for 10th edition to kill Shatterpoint. I hope that you make Shatterpoint a regular part of FSWG. It won't do GW numbers, but those videos also won't be competing with the other 27,000 GW 40k universe KZbin content creators.

[@SciFiPorkChop28]

100% .. this is a game NOT aimed at 40K players... so it's sort of irrelevant OTHER than I think the content creator hype being focused on 40K will have some impact ... but not enough to "kill" shatterpoint as it were. If Kill Team was doing ridiculously well (and readily available) and if Kill Team was getting a refresh, new edition, someting like that... or if we DID see a brand new "space hulk" style space marines vs tyranids game that was targetting skirmish gamers... might be different. The one thing NOT mentioned in the video is what is going to happen to all the dedicated Star Wars: Legion players... do they embrace Shatterpoint as they love star wars? or do they overall boycot it because it's taking from their own massed battle game... I think that is more interesting dilema than the 40K drop... actually... I take that back.. there will be people who want to play and collect both... and they probably won't have enough $$ for both right at the same time in June/July... so financially, it could spread the sales of Shatterpoint out a bit for those people. So yeah, mixed bag but I still think Shatterpoint targets enough of a different group it will be okay.

[@vinterbjork4128]

Nice to get an overview of the game. I'm liking the terrain, could be usable.

[@GlassHalfDead]

The terrain is definitely usable! It's more like 4" than 3" (that octarius is) but that's really not a big deal

[@TheGreatWolf44]

I wish it had been the same scale as SW Legion…

[@BotRetro]

Dude, ffg didn't even do universal dice for X-wing, armada and imperial assault (games that have somewhat similar rules and were released back-to-back). They are a trashy company that doesn't care about ease of play. They ONLY care about sales. Profits and being customer-friendly aren't mutually exclusive, but ffg never chooses a customer friendly option. Never.

[@Waywardpaladin]

​@@BotRetro Atomic Mass isn't FFG. FFG got eaten by Asmodee, and it staffed by a lot of poached Privateer Press people.

[@BotRetro]

I know, but the business model is pretty much the same.

[@GuttedAU]

I'm glad they didn't. I hate the bobblehead heroic scale Legion went with. Even if I hate this game, the minis can still serve as display peices.

[@TheGreatWolf44]

@@GuttedAU well I enjoy playing legion and I would prefer compatibility, now I don’t plan on investing in shatterpoint

[@dane3038]

I wish more Skirmish games would make their minies in 28mm. I keep all my stuff cross-compatible with my RPGs. The hobby is wildly expensive and I believe in squeezing value.

[@ericcreager51]

A great point I didn’t really think about……

[@DanaHowl]

OH NOOOO I wish you weren't right about this but.... you totally are, I was really looking forward to this game, I wish it was launching 6 months from now so I could dedicate multiple videos to it!

[@spittyrides]

Dana, I'd love to see what you can do with the Shatterpoint minis and terrain.

[@GlassHalfDead]

I intend to do content on this still, no doubt! But it just won't be right now at the best time. Not because there isn't enough of a window of interest for the players, but because of my own limited hobby time. I think the models are great though and it will get dedicated time on the channel! Oh and the terrain is getting painted up and used in 40k for sure xD Looking forwards to seeing what you do with the models!

[@DanaHowl]

@@GlassHalfDead Thanks Glass! Yeah I'll make content on it as well (definitely the fantastic terrain) but its a shame its launching at the same time as 10th for sure

[@GlassHalfDead]

@@DanaHowl from the replies in here it seems that maybe my fears of this game's success are more to do with my fear of not being able to make content on release, which you agree with more than others xD

[@corbingovers7559]

Unfortunately June is perfect for launching mini games due to the primary demographic (late HS, through college) being off for the summer and having more time to play/paint new models. I do however think they have a good release cadence and a solid core set of rules. I really like the scale since i can flex my painting skill on em. The cartoon aesthetic also really works in the games favor since the saturated colors and strong shadows look very nice from 3ft away.

[@dextriem2939]

Very much doubt this be DOA. It wont be anywhere near as big as 10th, but while a long way behind 40k, SW Legion and MCP do good business and are pretty big 2nd tier games. Shatterpoint is essentially a cross between these two systems and will likely do very well. Also while GW dominates army scale wargames it is not as big in skirmish gaming - I think that it is definitely possible for a game to compete with GW in this space.

[@Desmotwin]

Love the channel, but I think you're being a bit myopic here. I think the Star Wars IP will give this product a long enough tail that they can ship more boxes and grow their player base. Especially given that they have begun with Ep1-3 era and not 4-6 which I imagine will scoop up more older players with disposable income. Would agree with your concern more if this were a new unestablished IP. Also disappointed I did not receive multiple salutations ;) GLHF

[@tomryan3768]

Love to see an update on your thoughts. 10th stumbled HARD and Shatterpoint seems to be chugging along doing fine.

[@GlassHalfDead]

I followed this video up with a proper "review" of the game. And I've mentioned randomly in several videos that I think Shatterpoint is a pretty cool system! Very annoyingly, no one near me seems to be playing it, which is my main reason for me not to be currently playing it. But I stand by everything I said in this video, it's a good system!

[@RoadDeerGames]

I love kill team but I played once with the easy grey knights. All the rules and small detail changes being hidden in a book scared the crap out of me. I can see someone approaching this game and learning it (able to play and have fun) in 5 minutes of rules. Also the bigger models the bigger the pull and eyebrow raises.

[@stephenspangler2790]

My local gaming store has been of the attitude that SW Legion is just about dead and is heavily promoting Shatterpoint as its replacement. The owner keeps asking if I am going to buy it. I have been a big Legion supporter. When he asks me about Shatterpoint, I tell him at this point I am too heavily invested in Legion to purchase another SW miniature game. AMG has plenty of Legion releases coming at least through the end of the calendar year, so it definitely isn't dead. Another reason that is keeping me from purchasing Shatterpoint is having to repaint a lot of the same figures that I have already painted in Legion (some of the poses are almost identical!). I also have quite a backlog of Legion and MCP miniatures to paint, so I really don't need to add to my painting pile of shame. Who knows, maybe in the future I might look into this game...

[@squishcognito6780]

Amen to that

[@ericcreager51]

I definitely think this will mesh well with your coverage of Kill Team and Deadzone. GW lost me as a company with their, “you will not be missed” comment a while ago. I still play KT every now and then with some friends that live out of state (and I can’t find a box of Kasrkins to save my life, $99 for a box on Amazon here). I personally think that Deadzone is a lot more fun to play. My local group have gone that way but I’m still seeing a game of 40k here and there but the gaming stores in my area are majority card games and tournaments. With companies like Mantic and Corvus Belli, it’s hard to support GW just because anymore. Love the channel and keep up the good work over there on that side of the pond brother.

[@markmclean9640]

Oh wow, really nice to see this all unboxed and put together, it's a more substantial offering than I'd expected

[@majortom7186]

There are a lot of TTG players out there who won’t touch 10th Ed regardless, and more who won’t play a platoon scale game like 40K. Not to mention that the board game crowd who have already shown themselves to be interested in Star Wars ‘minis’ games seem pretty hyped for this from the reactions at places like Celebration. I think it’ll be enough for Shatterpoint to succeed without the other-game-curious Shoppie crowd buying in. I think that’s a smaller proportion of the overall TTG market than people think personally. Most Shoppies are absolutely hardcore about denying the validity of games outside the GW ecosystem.

[@razpenguin]

As long as they don't mess up any character's stats like GW did with Kill Team, which is basically impossible to do within the Star Wars minis game space, it should be a great game. As for timing vs 10th, I don't think it matters as much as you say. At least not in the United States. Most 40k players already own their 40k armies so the switch to 10th relates to rules, so doesn't compete with possible interest in a new Star Wars game with new miniatures.

[@TronsTableTop]

Definitely interested in seeing your how to plays with this game. It's on my radar, but yes, 10th is looming.

[@rodrigoarayareyes5502]

what is that tenth or 10th game que everyone talk about?

[@Alexandr-pz4kc]

I'll agree, not the best timing, but I think this isn't for 40k people. I think it's more for Star Wars fans, MCP, and Star Wars legion players. I do Legion for Star Wars and Kill Team for 40k. But maybe venture into Combat Patrol or Boarding Actions one day.

[@an0nycat]

*Yes, it's bad for them that they didn't release this game a year ago...*

[@DarrinSK]

The damage tree reminds me of Arena Rex

[@ant6227]

I don't actually think the release of 10th edition is going to impact the game terribly. I do agree wargaming content creators in general will choose to focus on 40k given the choice of one or the other because revenue will be higher for warhammer, but there are still a large number of channels available to shatterpoint that are outside of the wargaming space such as the dice tower. There are also a large number of channels that focus on star wars content in the same way your content focuses on Warhammer and of course there are the creators who are going to just hussle to the point of covering both (guerilla miniature games I would bet would be one, Ash is a machine). There will certainly be people who choose not to buy this box because they want Leviathan instead but there's a large audience who will buy both, and a large audience only in the market for a skirmish game. Let's also not forget there's a possibility GW bungles the release of Leviathan and if no one can find copies there will be another shiny new release on the shelves waiting for them.

[@AltroseSenar]

Yeah, the audience for this isn't the same as for 10th. There is some overlap but they target different core groups. Still will probably be a slower build up but I don't see any issues with 10th interfering with Shatterpoint's release either.

[@dsp5196]

I will say that most of the people interested in this game don't care at all about 10th edition. Legion players are going to eat this up.

[@GlassHalfDead]

I really hope so! I'm excited to make some more meaningful content for it than this think piece

[@joshpries9376]

100% agreed. There is not much overlap in audiences, I think it will be just fine. And as strong as 40k is as an IP, its small fry compared to Star Wars. Tons of people that don't even play wargames will pick this up.

[@amn1088]

The issue there is the die hard fans are in the minority. A lot of Legion players are upset so I don't know if its a 1 to 1 conversion or even a 10 to 1 conversion. What Glass is getting at though is if nothing big is happening and something like Shatterpoint comes out it becomes the news of the miniature hobby, so the reach is larger and 40k players are a huge part of the hobby and many dabble in other games, you are losing a ton of potential players and interest. I think Shatterpoint will be successful, I wont play I play MCP and dont need another similar game to mess with. But even if I wasn't I love MCP but its getting set asside for 10th edition as well and likely will for a year or so.

[@amn1088]

@@joshpries9376 This just isn't true. Talking with a ton of 40k players they play other miniature games when they are not feeling 40k anymore. Heck I play MCP. But 10ths release is going to grab all those people back to 40k and take a lot of the light away from Shatterpoint. Getting a foothold in stores is a big deal, if no one sees the game getting played a lot of people don't bother even considering getting into it. 10th edition is going to prevent a ton of people that would try it from getting in so store presence will be lower. I think its also already on a back foot because it isn't the same scale as Legion alienating those players a bit and this is basically another version of MCP and players heavily invested in that probably wont move over. I think it will do ok overall, but accidently picking the same month as 10th edition is going to cost them a ton in potential sales and I think its foolish to argue otherwise.

[@joshpries9376]

@@amn1088 I don't think its going to have zero effect at all; just that Shatterpoint is ultimately not really going to be grabbing many 40k players, or even Legion players necessarily. I personally think its going to be a very similar audience to MCP, and its going to do fine. Just like D&D when it comes to RPGs, 40K is the vast majority of the gaming market. If your metric for success is "it's not going to sell as well as 40k" that is a silly argument. It never will, no game will. But like with RPGs, that final 20% of the market is more than enough for other games to have healthy communities and do very well for themselves. Shatterpoint is already backlogged on pre-orders and sales; game shop owners have already been complaining that they have outsold available stock that AMG can provide, so the demand is clearly outstripping the production. That's not a failure, that's what most people would call a success. Doesn't matter if its not on the same scale as GW, they have already sold the quantities to prove it will be financially viable for them to continue it.

[@johnbeaudoin7820]

I don’t feel any great need to pick this up, but if I see the starter box on clearance a year from now, I might go for it.

[@sneakyduck9990]

coreboxes are selling out, think SP is doing fine, building its rep up isnt bad should make the game last longer as a slow burn. will get to a point in 10th when people are bored waiting for codexs

[@GlassHalfDead]

I mean hey, hearing that the coreboxes are selling out is great news! I'm looking forward to the game getting in people's hands

[@slackeratlarge575]

This is a nice jumping off point to skirmish wargames. I can easily sell my DnD group on a star wars combat game. Then when they comment that 3 model teams are too small, introduce them to the church of kill team. 🎉👍

[@RowdiesFan1]

I wouldn't ever place a dime in this game if I have armies of Legion. I'm not buying the same model for different scales/systems if I play regularly.

[@DrewHaselton]

Timing? The same as Sony releasing EQ2 (08/11/04) when WoW 23/11/04 released? Same impact on sales?

[@leewilde8947]

Titanfall 2 being released along side CoD Infinite warfare and Battlefield 1. TF 2 was a far superior game too

[@Lilbit710]

All my lgs are sold out. Seems like its dead.

[@GlassHalfDead]

Happy to be wrong! xD

[@a.r.g.3515]

3:59 - 4:30 is pure gold for anyone that at least knows Star Wars exists 🤣🤣🤣

[@adambrown6498]

I don't think releasing at the same time as 10th matters. Very different player bases

[@GlassHalfDead]

Apaprently they sold out of their core boxes, so yeah, not a problem it seems xD

[@craggylotus]

I don't think it's a MiniDisc but you've got a great point about it clashing with 10th in regards content. I have seen a few videos on Shatterpoint so far though, so fingers crossed there will be enough interest built whilst everyone is in a holding pattern waiting on 10th dropping, that it'll be there waiting for the people who find out they're not keen on new hat malibu warhammers. (though...If I'm honest I'm waiting on seeing someone downscale the sizes to fit with the existing Star Wars Legion minis I already have tons of)

[@smackiesmackinger30]

Give me Kill Team or give me death.

[@colinmack8655]

Deadzone is life.

[@tomcaza]

Having their own experience with MCP, perhaps they know it won't take off until more expansions are out, ao delaying the launch would mean delaying the growth phase entirely.

[@GlassHalfDead]

I mean hey, I'll get to Shatterpoint as soon as I can, my frustration is mainly in my own limited hobby time and having 3 big releases all dropping in the same hobby window for me. My point stands, but my point is focused very heavily on a content creators "if you're not first, you're last" perspective, which is certainly more acute than a regular hobbyist/gamer :)

[@tomcaza]

@@GlassHalfDead I see, that makes sense! Have fun with 10th!

[@sixsevenfour]

It's a pretty game, but I'm already invested in Legion which is a great Star Wars game that scratches the Star Wars tabletop itch.

[@JamesTillmanjimthegray]

preordered and local store seems interested, i hope it does well

[@GlassHalfDead]

Me too!

[@larsrolfon7316]

Not everyone in the miniature gaming world plays 40K.

[@willschoonover8654]

I understand your fears for it, especially from a KZbin perspective, but I think the Game has a lot going for it, and it will do fine in the long term

[@GlassHalfDead]

I certainly hope so! I'm looking forward to getting the models hobbied up and doing another commentary video on it before actually getting to a proper battlereport (going in stages. A chat video with models in the foreground is much less work than a big heavily edited video, but still allows for the game to get some eyes on it)

[@earnestwanderer2471]

Want to buy any old Warmahordes books and models?

[@s7r49]

I'm most interested in this one but I keep hearing the rules clash and are overly complicated. Friends have complained about rules issues dominating their games. I'm not sure if they're just complaining or the game is actually fun to play. I was saving up for it i love the way it looks. I was going to get into imperial assault originally but then became more interested in this and now i dont know whether i want to save up for it or not.

[@GlassHalfDead]

Imperial assault was discontinued, I believe? Keeping in mind that my experience in the game is very limited,I really didn't have that many rules issues. And any we did come across felt like it took a bit of figuring things out but then if we ever came across it again we would know the answer and so it wouldn't slow things down. I'd be interested to know which rules specifically kicked up such a fuss! The majority of the game, I found, was pretty obvious and clear. The slowness came in player decision points, not tricky rules.

[@s7r49]

@GlassHalfDead oh dang if so that's a shame it looks fun. Yeah I don't know some People just need to complain xD

[@NightfallTH]

Never understood the appeal of playing Luke Skywalker who is already defined, opposed to your own Jedi Warrior where you can put your whole soul into. That is why, combined with the cartoony feel, Star War Shatterpoint isnt my type of game.

[@Waywardpaladin]

Yeah, and I passed on Legion

[@GlassHalfDead]

Ooh, so that's a good point. I agree, I'd actually love to build my own Jedi, and I think that Shatterpoint would be a brilliant vehicle for that. Pick the model you assosciate with the most, and here's how to build a jedi/sith.

[@vindicus]

I don't think it will fail on its own. But you are right that business wise you could totally double dip in your target demographics.

[@greywulfslair]

Yeah. I don't think it will fail or be dead on arrival, but it will slow burn rather than be an overnight launch success. . The 40k launch is bound to affect initial launch sales, but the bigger problem is AMG are essentially competing with themselves, multiple times. There's this, Star Wars Legion, Marvel Crisis Protocol, x-Wing, etc. Legion and Shatterpoint models aren't the same, so they're expecting people who do like Star Wars to buy multiple models of the same character for different systems, from the same manufacturer. That's going to cause people step back or walk away. and if they want this kind of game, there's already MCP.

[@GlassHalfDead]

I agree with you on this and it's a point I missed due to me personally not currently being into other AMG games. I agree that it seems like AMG's biggest direct competitor is probably themselves in an odd way. It's a nice idea to imagine that they won't be eating up their own market share, but once someone is out of the GW sphere, with AMG making a big splash, they seem to have been forced to spread themselves a bit thin after getting all of the wargame properties from FFG. But maybe there's also a long term plan where AMG ramps up and takes full control over all of these properties as their own very distinct games that get their own market share instead of just AMG's share.

[@hugheja89]

Only speaking for myself as a killteam playerthis did interest me but exactly as you say I now want to try 10th so it will have to wait a bit, by then I might not be interested. 6 months ago I definitely would have

[@GlassHalfDead]

Much my view as well! Except I'll be rushing myself to play this asap, that is

[@Gumlass1]

No way this will be DOA. Its a solid game, with beautiful models from a less abusive company. MCP and Legion are quite healthy.

[@Jeff-ne1lh]

Looks fun not for me but looks fun…I don’t play legion either however I use the Legion miniatures for my Edge Of The Empire RPG I don’t think this will go over like Legion did

[@Remixersoloman]

I looooove all the minis ive seen but ive got too many other projects to do to pick them up right now :(

[@joken-actual]

Star Wars; I have and still play Imperial Assault. We side stepped Legion for scale reasons and I’m guessing we’ll sidestep Shatterpoint for the same reason. Now Star Wars Epic (Imperial Assault scale) that’ll do it for me. X-Wing (the game) X-Wings attacking imperial At-Ats in the snow of Hoth……. Fade and close.

[@GlassHalfDead]

So you're saying that Shatterpoint AT-ATs are on the cards, hmmm?

[@lesbrawthers]

This game will be awesome

[@GlassHalfDead]

I hope so!

[@wildkatze69]

The overlap and grief this causes to X-WING, Armada and particular Legion players is likely more significant then any of the GW games. Personally i like both IPs but i know others that are more exclusives with what ticks for them...

[@GlassHalfDead]

That's a very fair point! I didn't touch on this because of my own personal bias in that I'm no longer into those games, and I think shatterpoint is a great entry into star wars gaming. In a sense I'm lucky that I don't have to be concerned by picking up the same characters in different scales. It makes the buy in easier!

[@thorstenschons7206]

As far as i understand, armada is a big ship miniature game, X-wing is the smaller scale ship game, legion is the army game and shatterpoint is just the skirmisher version. so ruleswise, there is not a big overlap. Of course, the same models for legion and shatterpoint is a bit annoying, but how shatterpoint works, you can eaisly upscale your legion models, because only the bases matter ( in theory, anakin could stand on 5 inch high decorated base and it doesn't affect visibility of the model, only how to move it under bridges). so putting a model on a bigger base ( with some creativity and magnets easily detachable) isn't a problem. Only thing you need are rules then

[@Gumlass1]

FYI it can't be that much of a fail. Its sold out in several countries.

[@thephoenixstudio]

10th Edition is just 9.1 edition. Not changing anything. Shatterpoint wont be affected by 10th at all.

[@GlassHalfDead]

It certainly doesn't seem to have hurt sales numbers as much as I feared, so good news for everyone!

[@benlewton3526]

gw releases new stuff every few months so i doubt that delaying shatterpoint would make much of an impact (not to mention that the release date was announced back in February and rummors about 10th edition were just starting)

[@colinmack8655]

Still in the deadzone mate. Was it not Kings of War Armada?

[@marknotestine424]

I don't see Shatterpoint as DOA. There are strong communities that are not Warhammer who have picked up on the game. In fact when you mentioned "10th edition" it was not immediately obvious to me what game you were talking about.

[@majortom7186]

13:20 There’s a very different attitude among the AMG players than Shoppies have. More than half the games of MCP I see are played with grey plastic like most board games that come with minis.

[@Seruvius]

I reckon your analysis is pretty spot n, this game is going to struggle with its release date. hopefully it does well anyway and i look forward to your videos on it

[@GlassHalfDead]

I certainly hope it will do well! I feel like a big explosion of a launch is better and builds more hype than a long tail and growth, but that's just my vibe.

[@Elmarto14]

Kill team, 40k, mtg, boardgames and City of mist. Unfortunatly already full house.

[@foreverfornever1124]

I do agree 10th will affect its launch, however there should be enough people to keep this game relevant, even during the first 6 months of 10th edition. They made a smart business decision by having expansions already available for pre-order as well. Not to mention from a painters perspective, these probably will be sought after by miniature painters to make videos, further giving the game advertisement. This game looks very beginner friendly for someone who may have some friends who love SW and wouldnt mind something simple like this with great models compared to wargames. SW legions has expanded the IP in the miniature hobby enough that its become a relevant name in the hobby now along with Armada and X Wing of course. I think there will be some healthy competiviness between both companies for the rest of the year

[@matthewmalovich64]

My biggest issue after playing a full game is how RANDOM this game is. Coming from full war games I really am struggling to overcome the loss of agency with the game. A lot of the time decision making feels arbitrary and frustrating. Some of The game is genius. A lot of it is not going to be a good fit for most 40k/Legion/Warmahordes players

[@thorstenschons7206]

I played several games with it and never thought of it to be completely random. I like the combat system because it is more about moving your characters and your enemys towards and from objectives.Sure, the point value change of objectives during second and third round is random, but it works to keep the game balanced. Other rules are a bit hard to get used to if you are coming from a more complex system, especially line of sight and cover is very simplified. But the goal of this game wasn't a highly competitive and realistic skirmisher, the goal as something between a board game and a skirmisher, easy to learn, fast to set up and build teams while giving way to creativity

[@VickyAmaru]

It will only fail if we allow it to fail.

[@rkondur]

90% sure you're throwing some click bait here, but I'm 100% sure there are enough people not interested in GW products or that are but also play different games, that this game will do just fine. Also it's released before 10th even goes up for preorder, so plenty of time for people that want to play 10th to grab this, throw some quick paint on and play it while waiting.

[@GlassHalfDead]

I meant what I said. However, I'm speaking purely to my own bias, and my bias is very unique. I do mention it int he video, but it seems most have mentally skipped over that part because it's to do with my ability to create content fast enough. I have Ashes of Faith and Leviathan coming up in the same hobby window as Shatterpoint. As a content creator I need to pick 1 of those 3 to go all in on, because I simply don't have enough time for all 3, and my interest in all 3 is equal. Obviously, I'm going to go for Leviathan. So both Ashes of Faith and Shatterpoint will have to be covered later. And in the content game, if you're not first, you're last (or you're big enough that it doesn't matter). So, you know, just a a bit frustrating. Most people are not in this unique situation, but my frustration is genuine and not clickbait. The fact that most people don't care about my unique situation, is only a sidenote xD

[@squishcognito6780]

Legion player and MCP player here, no intention to get this

[@shanefrancis34]

There are other games than GW games, so again I strongly disagree, and I’m guessing this rule set will last longer than the current or any for that matter set of 40K rules, 2 years life span per version of 40K???

[@spittyrides]

Pfft. lol. no. W40K players have already picked their game and they'll stay loyal to that, but there's going to be consumers that will pick up both, and there'll be consumers that will pick up Shatterpoint or 10th exclusively. You can't say something is going to fail because something else is being released around the same time. Shatterpoint will be a good game enjoyed by many and will grow over time.

[@leewilde8947]

He seems to forget that 10th isn't going to bring in tons of new players like shatterpoint will, 40k players already have armies ready to go, and most players will just pick up the rule book or starter set just to get a top up of minis. Why cant people play both? I am getting around to finishing off my Votann ready for 10th (Only played a few games of 9th and didn't rate it) and i have also pre-ordered my copy of Shatterpoint, Just started painting Mantics Armada and i'm grabbing Drop fleet commander when i go to the Gaming Expo next month.....WarGamers gonna game 👊🏻

[@shanefrancis34]

I do believe this was announced before 10th edition, what should they do, react to GW and delay? Er no f@ck GW

[@donaldwatkins4781]

Good thing shatterpoint comes out june 2nd. comparing game content to 40k 10th is crazy, shatterpoint is totally different in concept and design. Also you seem like you just woke up and decided to do a half arse review. I will check out some of your 40k 10th vids though, seems like you will be wide awake on that! lol

[@shanefrancis34]

I was actually considering getting into Kill team as I have a lot of Legion stuff and love it, BUT, having seen quite a few videos on this I will back this to the teeth at the expense of Kill team, GW takes enough of my coin and if rumours are true and they bring back Epic then I will invest in that. Can’t wait to get stuck into this, smaller models count, lots of gorgeous terrain plus its Star Wars and with Epic I steered clear of Clone Wars era so this will scratch that itch. I think this will sell out, screw GW!

[@jordanhamm9175]

Well I think you’re predictions were very off 😂

[@glynnseymour7587]

Considering GWs honeypot approach and Limited supply to attract customers to buy their products, I'm soo impressed with Atomic Mass Games approach to MCP and now Shatterpoint. Stunning models, fantastic terrain, unique mechanics. With two full strike teams to play with a friend. So i quite vehemently disagree that Shatterpoint fails, due to the MCP and star wars fans who believe in AMGs practice. I spit on 10th edition and GW smells of Elderberries. 😂 However I understand from the point of a content creator whom's focus is on kill team and 40k, you have to direct your effort towards the big fish.

[@Isrephael1]

Deciding not to cover it, and then saying "no one will cover it," is pretty solipsistic. Glass Half Dead, indeed.

[@WhiskeyjackZA]

Hard disagree. (1) 10th Edition is big, but lots of folks don't care about GW. I personally find it amazing how people are falling for 10th edition marketing talk...before the game is even out and with a lot of the marketing even contradicting promises / earlier marketing. But that is the GW subs...(I played lots of 40k and AoS - new GW is a lot better, but some things and approaches are just in their DNA and dictated by their market position) (2) Disney+ shows and the IP in general might hook boardgamers and people looking to get into more manageable skirmish games. Look at known releases in that context as well to see part of their strategy... (3) Skirmish game vs the heavy investment in money and hobby time that is 40K... (5) It is already doing very well with preorders... (6) Unfortunetely lots of negativity from some Legion players (more than anyone else) that don't want to see another SW game or fear losing play group members - is a bigger problem than GW. Again, this is exactly what Legion doesn't need or the Legion community - it is a very narrow perspective...

[@GlassHalfDead]

I mean hey, I'll get to Shatterpoint as soon as I can, my frustration is mainly in my own limited hobby time and having 3 big releases all dropping in the same hobby window for me. My point stands, but my point is focused very heavily on a content creators "if you're not first, you're last" perspective, which is certainly more acute than a regular hobbyist/gamer :) And I'll agree that I totally forgot about the Legion player issues, because again this video is very much "my view" and as I didn't get into Legion (yet?) and so having the same character in multiple scales isn't a concern for me, but it's a valid point that probably should have been mentioned. Although, just throwing it out there again, I have nothing but praise for the game as I've seen it so far, just the release date and hobby window clashes :)

[@nalzer21]

Honestly I think it's horrible value. Outside of the core box, the other kits (Hello There, for example), is €50 and you get 4 dudes. To me that's what makes the dead on arrival....

[@BartoszDebski]

Not disagreeing on principle, launch timing is not great but ... There is many of us who do not care about 10th edition, myself included. Great it's coming out, maybe finally elite Nids team for KT will come out but that's about it. In my club nobody is hyped as you portray it is. Of course there will be a big hype overall, people will by buying like crazy... most of us will wait and see, pick up stuff after hype. Your decisions of what content to show, as you said, are purely view driven, if your viewers like GW, you are making a right choice.

[@harrysmith2128]

Hard disagree, GW have over the last year made some exceptionally anti consumer decisions with releases and pricing, even by their FOMO loving standards. I’m sure that Shatterpoint has a good chance of picking up people that GW’s scummy practices have ostracised, especially long term hobbyists like myself.

[@minipaintingforyou]

Imagine selling a brand new miniature game and trying to get hype for it. Then a youtube channel asks for a prerelease copy, you send it to them, only to get shit on 😅 I for one lost almost all interest in 10th edition 40k when they went through about the 3rd faction focus article. When GW announced their goals for 8th and 9th edition, simplifying the game, it took them a couple of codex releases to screw that up. This time around their stated goal is, again (!), to simplify the game and they managed to fail before even releasing a single. „We want less rerolls“ - rerolls in every other faction focus. „We want less aura buffs“ - auras in every other faction focus. Special irony: aura buffs handing out rerolls 🙄

[@shanefrancis34]

Could not care a fig about 10th edition.

[@revandb3438]

Shame. Star Wars board games have been great in the past.

[@GlassHalfDead]

Fingers crossed I've missed the mark on this one and there actually is a big market for it!

[@dwaynemorash]

You lost me when you called Ashoka "lady with head tails "

[@GlassHalfDead]

Yeah, I felt bad about that one. I just totally blanked not just on her name but also her species name. The hazard of thinking on the fly!

[@edoardovergani3750]

I play wh 40k from 97 and i will do not give a f about tenth ed for almost 1/2 years 🤣🤣🤣

[@HansenAsset]

Great personality, but needed more prep. Every video is someone’s first impression of you. :) Keep up the good work!

[@Granite-ny8up]

The package

[@KildareGaming]

No offense, but this video requires criticism. You're criticizing a game based your assumptions on rules, you appear to have not read the rules or done any research, most of the game play elements you talk about in this video are wrong, and you identify some of these during the video, really you should have just done a re-shoot after you read the rules. While I do agree that launching at the same time as 10th edition 40K is somewhat impactful, I would also argue that the target audience is similar with some overlap, but are not the same.

[@GlassHalfDead]

Thanks for the feedback. I've read the rules quite thoroughly, it's just that I haven't actually played the game yet, but maybe did a bad job of summarising them, unsure :)

[@thorstenschons7206]

@@GlassHalfDead You did make mistakes, but most rules are easier to understand for yourself if you play the game. Especially if you are used to more complex systems

[@GlassHalfDead]

@@thorstenschons7206 I've played a bunch now. Criticising my brief rundown of the game (it's not like this was some detailed how to play) was just salty lashing out, I'm good :)

[@leewilde8947]

You couldn't be more wrong, Why assume that those of us that play 40k are only into 40k? I would go out on a limb and say most of us wargamers are into multiple systems, i would also go as far as saying the majority of 40k players are only actually interested getting their hands on the rulebook and cards so we can crack right on with using our existing armies. You also have just star wars fans, They don't necessarily care about wargaming but will see the opportunity to have battles with a handfull of minis on a coffee table and snatch the game up.....Lastly, Atomic mass put out a psa to say they have completely sold out of starter sets so it cant be that dead

[@GlassHalfDead]

I mean hey, I'll get to Shatterpoint as soon as I can, my frustration is mainly in my own limited hobby time and having 3 big releases all dropping in the same hobby window for me. My point stands, but my point is focused very heavily on a content creators "if you're not first, you're last" perspective, which is certainly more acute than a regular hobbyist/gamer :)

[@waynehaywood4904]

Sorry but can't be doing with negativity towards a game before it's even released. Shatterpoint is selling well by all accounts. Cant be compared to GW products. No other company has a business model like GW. Waiting 6 months wouldn't work from a business point of view for any company and in 6 months GW will be pushing out more codex releases, or Killteam boxes, or whatever anyway. Yes, some will have to choose between this and other games. Thats life. As an X-Wing and Legion player(with loads of models still to unbox or build and paint), my Shatterpoint pre-order is in and i cant wait

[@GlassHalfDead]

Just to clarify, my negativity was towards the release date ONLY. Everything else I said was glowing positivity.

[@davidblyth9507]

I must respectfully disagree. I do enjoy kill team but it will take a fair bit to draw me back into the money pit that is 40k or AoS. So im watching the release of 10th ed with vague interest but snapped up my shatterpoint preorder as soon as i was able to. Yes this is the opinion of one man but others like me do exist. Some just really love star wars, some play skirmish games exclusively, and other just might not be able to afford the higher outlay for warhammer. Do i know shatterpoint will succeed? No of course not, but i dont believe it is doomed to fail either. Edit: removed reference to GW being money hungry, that was unnecessary and ridiculous, of course a company wants to make money. I was just in a bit of a mood at the time of writing.

[@GlassHalfDead]

It does seem that saying a negative about this game has led to many people insulting GW and 40k players xD I mean hey, I'll get to Shatterpoint as soon as I can, my frustration is mainly in my own limited hobby time and having 3 big releases all dropping in the same hobby window for me. My point stands, but my point is focused very heavily on a content creators "if you're not first, you're last" perspective, which is certainly more acute than a regular hobbyist/gamer :)

[@davidblyth9507]

@@GlassHalfDead please don't think that my mood was in anyway directed at your opinion. It is perfectly valid from a content creators perspective. External factors led to my response being far harsher than it should have. Considering I play MESBG and Killteam it was also quite hypocritical on my part. That said, I do still believe that there are enough of us who do not currently play 40k that may be keen for this game that there will be a market for it to succeed. From my own perspective as a player, I just want to get the game now and play. As much as I enjoy the work of content creators like yourself, I personally would hate it if I had to wait longer for the game just because the majority of the online chatter will be about a different system for a while.

[@Dreddnought1]

Not that I know much about shatterpoint, but GW has nothing to do with the success of other games. Unimaginative GW fanboys like to spend their money on GW rubbish again and again and again ad nauseum. They are irrelevant to the much more interesting games out there.

[@shawnvaljean9260]

I think you underestimate how many people arent interested in GW products.

[@GlassHalfDead]

I hope so!

[@naitp]

The timing couldn't be more perfect. Nobody wants a bunch of bored/disillusioned Warhammer 40k players coming around messing up their fun little Star Wars Cartoon Skirmish game scene right when it launches. This way, all the sweaty grognards will be distracted, giving the Disney Adult types the head start they need to enjoy the game.

[@harrysmith2128]

Christ I hope this game isn’t just weird Disney “adults” playing it. They’re as unbearable as sweaty grognards.

[@TheoreticalString]

The feedback on your mic was really, really, really bad for the first few minutes. I'd re-record them. I might re-record the entire thing. It was a hard watch. As for Warhammer, it is what it is. Most of us who don't play it would literally never play another GW game again, so it's completely irrelevant to us. Star Wars has a lot of ability to pull in fans outside the format. I guess it sucks for content creators, but there's a big amount of "eh, oh well". I don't think they're very important to miniatures games honestly.

[@GlassHalfDead]

That's really interesting on the audio. What are you listening through, if I might ask? Phone, computer speakers, headset etc?

[@an0nycat]

Where is based comment... 🤔🤔

[@GlassHalfDead]

I don't support that sort of thing on my channel, and youtube comments aren't the place to have reasoned debates, let's be honest.

[@kingbobb007]

There’s a huge wide world of TT hobbyists that don’t play any GW games. Shatterpoint is going to do fine because of this. Almost none of my Legion playgroup plays GW games. Thinking 10th is going to hurt SP’s launch in anyway says nothing good about the GW player base.

[@shanefrancis34]

Wrong wrong wrong

[@paladinpariah325]

Oh no... ... I want my Star Wars to not be more expensive than even consumer gouging GW. ... I want my Star Wars games to have rules that don't feel like I'm being punched in the face by my account while doing my taxes... ... I want my Star Wars without useless proprietary accessories, only included to gouge consumers, that detract from gameplay... ... I want my Star Wars with miniatures that aren't purposely made off scale just to make my other Star Wars miniatures completely incompatible... ... I want a Star Wars game to finally be based on the Mandalorian, and not a cartoon that's 15 years old... ... this is a game aimed at total suckers... ... complete hard pass...

[@thorstenschons7206]

1. Where is it more expensive? For 150€ you have in the basic box everything you need for 2 players to enjoy the game. Even if you don't want the core box, for 200€ you can get 2 Squads, terrain and the dice. The rules are free to download, you don't need to buy extra books for your squads etc. 2. The rules are simple as soon as you start to play. They are a bit weird worded, but definitely aimed at people playing this kind of game for the first time. 3. what accessories? the only thing you could refer to is the vader vs kenobi diorama but legion had something similar so not that much of a surprise. 4. Use magnets and a bigger base ( so basicly spent maximum of 30€ for 10 bases and a lot of strong magnets in addition to time and creativity) and voila, up to scale because model size barely matters as long your model doesn't end up higher than 3 inches. 5. A) They will definitely bring the mandalorian to the game later on, because why shouldn't they? They will even include the main character Cal from the new video games later on. B) You want a skirmisher that probably need a variety to live and be interesting over a long period of time based on a tv show where the 3rd season flopped compared to the first one instead of the whole star wars universe including games and other media? C) Legion is based on 6 movies that are even older than the cartoon. They chose to go with the clone wars series to start with because they have the biggest cast of characters to use for a character based skirmisher, so the decision makes sense. Only recently are more characters officially introduced in the disney canon of the imperial and post imperial time, some of them more loved than others. D) For a cartoon that is 15 years old, clone wars manages to address darker themes around war while still being considered kids friendly and even made the foundation of mandalorian culture where the mandolorian expands upon as well characters that are important for the mandalorian ( ahsoka and Bo-Katan ). The spin offs bad batch and rebels expand on the interrim time of republic to empire and the early rebellion. 6. It is a game aimed at newcomers to the miniature gaming world and should looked at it from that perspective. Because there aren't many games with few miniatures to build, play and paint to start with and a lore and story to get easy behind it. edit: you are of course allowed to not play certain systems, but if you start arguing why you don't want to play it at least give good explanations why instead of vague reasons without concrete examples. It looks like you had your opinion build before lookingg closer at the system and design choices.

[@paladinpariah325]

@@thorstenschons7206 🤦‍♂️

[@thiccspidey2127]

Sounds more like a personal problem. I have honestly been enjoying Atomic Mass games more than anything GW has been doing, aside from Kill Team