Star Wars The Acolyte's Cancellation Is Bad For TV

[@elena_1776]

There are so many shows I've watched that had flawed but promising first seasons that grew into really great TV. This new status quo of everything having to be massively profitable immediately upon launch is so bad for art.

[@Prof_Tickles92]

They’ll stop doing it when we stop letting them. We need to organize mass subscription cancellations; we need to press actors and big name show runners to go into these negotiations insisting on 3-4 season guarantees with 12-13 episodes. We need to write comedies which viciously mock and ridicule producers and studio executives. And I’m not talking about being subtle, I’m talking blunt af.

[@svenkampen1647]

It's the opposite though. Streaming does not make a profit, it just needs to create content regularly and quickly, so where the Acolyte would not have been greenlit in its current form, because of very obvious and glaring flaws, .if it had to live by the same standards it would not have wasted any potential by throwing it on the screen in that kind of worthless form. Now you have these problems instead of a more capable showrunner or writer making the potentially good things work and as a result other shows trying to handle the same ideas will not be greenlit because it was now determined those ideas don't work.

[@robinirie98]

@@elena_1776 How many of those shows cost almost $700k per minute to make?

[@robinirie98]

@@Prof_Tickles92 But there aren't enough of you! If there was, the show would make the numbers and would not be cancelled.

[@Bruno_Felipe]

yeah, but we have plenty examples of shows that were canceled in the first season, even if the first season was promising. And let's be honest, what the Acolyte have was just this, a promise. The first season don't have a good writing, in my opnion.

[@KingOfMadCows]

These shows are just way too expensive. Acolyte cost $180 million, $22.5 million per episode. Star Trek: TNG, which was very expensive for the time, cost $1.3 million per episode when it premiered, or $3.7 million adjusted for inflation. You can make 50 episodes of TNG for the budget of 8 episodes of Acolyte.

[@marshsundeen]

Yet people complained that The Acolyte looked cheap. I disagree, but there is no pleasing some people.

[@higgleopss]

Yeah this entire debate is divorced from the financial realities of a show that costs as much as Dune part 2 for barely over double the run time. It needs million and millions of new/retained Disney plus subscriptions to justify its cost. It was never going to do that no matter how much their creative team iteratively improved it. Making experimental shows from unproven creators is not feasible at box office budgets. It was an arrogant and foolish choice to greenlight this show at the budget it had, a set up for failure. The show didn't make the best use of or need it anyway.

[@LaraA55]

Indeed. It was a business decision first and foremost. If the budget was much lower it wouldn't have been cancelled. Also, the viewership was quite low, not enough to justify such an expensive show

[@mzaite]

Thank you for adjusting for inflation. It can be hard to compare budgets even to 90’s productions now. Streaming is over spending and under benefiting on their budgets. They spend like the tech bro net loss companies they’re based on, but expect Hollywood style returns just because they spent money.

[@DillonExner]

Or, using a current show, one half-hour Acolyte costs three hour-long SNWs.

[@l.p.5703]

I legitimately had problems with rings of power and the acolyte, but I hate that my general dislike is, in a way, helpful to people who hate these shows for bigoted reasons. I am excited for rings of power because I hope the writing team steps up their game. I’m sad the Acolyte team doesn’t get a chance to improve.

[@GoldeneyeDoubleO7]

this is me. I really dislike The Acolyte and Rings of Power and genuinely think there are a lot of things in both shows that can be criticized but my input online puts me in league with people I don't agree with it at all

[@TwinRiver100]

@@GoldeneyeDoubleO7 that's what makes it annoying. Like I'd like to dislike it, but I don't want anything to do with the other guys over there. And maybe accidentally getting roped into their anger pool and stuff/arguements and needing a giant wall of distance between us. I wasn't really able to get through the first eps of Rings of Power and gave up on it. I think i saw one guy show the trailer for season 2 and he seemed to really like it. I can kind of see what they might be going for, but not all the way. having only watched the original movies on VHS once several years ago around 2010 or so. i think i'd've maybe liked 2 have seen Acolyte get better and a lot of the things I didn't really like in season 1 get fixed or improved on in a later season with more episodes.

[@kyleoates6367]

Same. It's why I don't have a Disney+ or Amazon Prime membership. Why would I watch anything that will just get me called racist if I have criticisms of it that the bigots have co-opted to garner legitimacy? If I don't like it anymore, I just won't watch it anymore. And Kenobi was my last straw.

[@GoldeneyeDoubleO7]

@@kyleoates6367 your first sentence is way off my dude. the issue isn't being called racist. the issue is that you give legitimacy to racists and bigots when you criticize the show

[@Nortarachanges]

@@kyleoates6367, calling people racist for not liking Acolyte is insane, agreed. But where is anyone doing that? People are calling attention farmers who take screen grabs and circle all the women, poc, and aliens in a “where are the white men???” attempt to drum up controversy racist

[@Soguwe]

Netflix really ruined television Short seasons for binging, immediate judgement from day one, no room for even the slightest mistake. They rang in the era of cowards, and we all suffer for it

[@shinyagumon7015]

I always wonder how many streaming shows will have cultural impact because of it, because they always feel like they have no staying power. Like everyone watches them when they come out but who is actually going back and rewatching them?

[@Zectifin]

streaming had the real chance to make TV better.......it made it worse.

[@twistedelegance_]

Yep. They did indeed. 10 episodes is called a mini series, not a full season. They've cut that to 7 now.

[@twistedelegance_]

​@@shinyagumon7015lots of people. As we watch films annually, the same goes for tv series. KZbin is full of teens only now discovering shows like Salem or Sleepy Hollow and making 3 hour analysis on them 😅

[@gamedude412]

Netflix is the streaming hub Disney withdrew from the imperial core to set up there own pet rock garden. Bridgerton literially has everything KK wants 80% female demo, Fat and Lbgt inclusive, Diverse cast and Massive Viewership because Bridgerton knows its audience and services them what they want

[@enhydralutra]

You absolutely have a point about shows getting cancelled if they're not instant hits. TNG would have gotten cancelled in the first season if it had to compete in the modern landscape of television.

[@joshuamchugh7822]

Literally the first thought I had

[@twistedelegance_]

Interview with the Vampire is getting a 2nd season despite the show not being very popular. I think studios are used to slow response and getting viewers very slowly. Only Netflix is mainly concerned about that. Prime is also doing Rings of Power regardless of the hate by anti-woke people. They are using so much money on the series which is just amazing. Both shows also have their hardcore franchise fans who can't deal with adaptations that aren't directly from the books. Meanwhile people whine about how there's no creativity and everything is being re-made or rebooted. Well, sometimes the reboot is that creative new take. IMHO the more against the grain studios go with this the more I respect them. If only they would bring back 15 episode seasons, and not calling a mini series a full season. Not all of us suffer from TikTok brain.

[@gamedude412]

I dont think you really looked at the Season 1 ep list. farpoint gets roasted but there are 23 other ep. in season 1

[@twistedelegance_]

@@gamedude412 you know what they say: hump a donkey in Tijuana and make a name for yourself

[@twistedelegance_]

@@gamedude412 if you're talking to me, exceptions don't change the fact that most shows are maximum 10 episodes long.

[@colinneagle4495]

It's frustrating that as big franchises experiment with their storytelling and open up their worlds to include more people the failure of the storytelling gets blamed on the diversity

[@svenkampen1647]

Sure, but that's also to blame by the fact that the standards for getting are dropped at the same time. Like you know you have one time you get all the attention with a first black led star wars show and you can even tell in the costumes they did not bring the A-game. Nothing in the acolyte's failings is linked to the fact you have black or asian characters, but at the same time they decided to produce a half-baked half-assed show once they had them. This is likely just becasue the trend of trying to be more inclusive and their need to create a ton of content for streaming coincided, but are they turning diverse shows marketing themselves as diverse into a redflag for viewers looking for quality. Yes, kinda.

[@twistedelegance_]

​@@svenkampen1647nothing is linked to it? Just read a long article about how a great show is getting canceled in the US "because of an idiotic culture war". But hey,I'm only European so what do I know. Lol

[@svenkampen1647]

@@twistedelegance_ You know I'm also european. You really think Disney would cancel a successful show because online whining? The show looks half baked and half assed at a180million dollar budget. I think the most expensive european show cost 40million, so less than a quarter and Netflix cancelled that after a season as well. This thing had a budget for which you could have continued all great boundary pushing shows Netflix cancelled in recent years and at that point just was not the general mega success it would have to be. Now the culture war means that a bunch of hateful people have to blame the failure on the inclusion of minorities and Disney and others will play that in turn up to be the only reason why it was cancelled to try and prop up a mediocre show that was just deemed not profitable enough to justify another season with that mega budget. If they had made the season 40million, maybe they could have had four. Which is maybe the solution to this mess. If Disney stops givign ludicrous budgets to these shows but just allocates budgets for multiple reasonably priced seasons.

[@russellcunningham2781]

I feel like The Acolyte was an almost perfect synthesis of all the things that make Star Wars so endearing. It had some problems but honestly every iteration of Star Wars is imperfect, thats part of the charm of the franchise.

[@anvalisok]

I loved my kung fu inspired Jedi fights. The Acolyte did so many things differently and now we will be back to vanilla stop the death star equivalent nonsense. At least the comics are still cool.

[@lcwebsxoxo]

If you want to see more actual innovation in Star Wars -- maybe the renew campaign works, maybe it doesn't, but SW ought to hear from us. Hype it up to your friends and loved ones - it's a good binge watch that takes just 4 hours to complete. They want numbers? Let's give them viewership! The petition site here has additional actions like a REALLY easy site where you can submit a letter and they'll mail it for you: www.change.org/p/renew-the-acolyte

[@Nortarachanges]

The fights were my favorite in Star Wars, honestly

[@cobaltrogue9175]

Honestly, I see being a reader and/or a TTRPG player as the only way to be a happy Star Wars fan anymore. With the right TTRPG group, you can set up your own group's storyline that puts even the old EU to shame, not just Disney's mess.

[@KennethLyVideography]

I really hope Disney doesn't take the wrong lesson and assume that people hated the fights-scenes too and steers in the opposite direction. Even most critics of the series agreed that it's the best fights atleast Disney-Star Wars have ever done and should be carried on into future projects.

[@markfojas689]

@@Nortarachanges it was a perfect fusion of wuxia and samurai choreography!

[@AMoniqueOcampo]

I'm really sad about The Acolyte getting canceled and I honestly don't have much hope for Skeleton Crew due to the jarring suburbia aesthetic. Also, Manny Jacinto is everything Kylo Ren WISHES he could be!

[@lcwebsxoxo]

If you want to do more about it, keep streaming the show! Hype it up to your friends and loved ones - it's a good binge watch that takes just 4 hours to complete. The petition site here has additional actions like a REALLY easy site where you can submit a letter and they'll mail it for you: www.change.org/p/renew-the-acolyte

[@SarastistheSerpent]

I feel like Manny Jacinto’s character had a lot of wasted potential. I would’ve been much more interested in seeing Darth Plagueis or Darth Tenebrous, but given that both characters are aliens, there was no way we were ever going to see them as modern Star Wars is allergic to alien characters

[@wordlife25money]

Kylo ren ran so than qimir could sprint

[@aaronkelly1762]

I have more hope for Skeleton Crew, because it’s trying to be its own thing and hopefully just trying to be a self contained story.

[@luhguren]

@@aaronkelly1762 I wish I could be as hopeful. The show's not even out yet but I've already seen multiple people clamoring for its cancellation. I fear for those kids.

[@Rodderz1992]

I will give The Acolyte this, it took a risk. I had my problems with it, but it was nice to see something different.

[@senorelroboto2]

It was good it took some risks, but it was fatal to do so on a budget higher than Dune had.

[@angrypom]

Honestly my main issue was that it seemed to walk back its risks - rather than lean into the witches, the origin of the twins and what that meant for their lives and their identities it seemed to just devolve back into "lightsabers go woosh". It also suffered from "I'll tell you that later" for every mystery that it had instead of explaining a mystery and building on it with more intrigue and mystery. I liked it, but I've not felt the urge to watch it again since it ended and the cancellation was sadly unsurprising.

[@justanotherdayinthelife9841]

The problem of 1, The problem of 2, The problem of MAAAAAAANYYYYYYY! Lol absolutely a cringe moment. They should have maybe read Star Wars books, and comics before making any of this. The Jedi Order either encompasses and absorbs orders that are force users, let's them be, or (if they're darksiders) confront them. This easily would have been an understood thing by the Jedi Order, and assessed by masters, not fun led so terribly and mishandled so badly. Would have preferred the Nightsister Sith Witches, a far better sect than these cringey lore breaking goofily written dorks.

[@mzaite]

@@senorelroboto2Especially sad given how UNDER used that budget was. It wasn’t in the talent, the effects were ok not amazing, and the writing was middle of the road. They got too little for what they spent.

[@senorelroboto2]

​@@mzaiteyeah, the money seems to have just disappeared

[@DarkElfofVulcan]

Eh, at this point I'd take milquetoast content. Because, honestly, Jedi as cops is a take I REALLY hate. They were supposed to be mediators, peace keepers, you don't see them taking in criminals in the movies. Changing the perspective to make it that is reflective of what fandom made it, not really what was in the text until this show came along. Just, it feels like a something that takes the most miserable takes about the franchise from the internet and uses them as a base.

[@jessiegenderafterdark5287]

I mean I like that take of how they went from mediators to cops. It’s kind of explored a bit in Tales of the Jedi and I wanted more of it in the Acolyte and we partially got there, and it seemed like a s2 would have more focused on that.

[@rdkirk3834]

@@jessiegenderafterdark5287 But Tales of the Jedi was _good_ writing even in its very brief amount of air time. While Andor was slow moving in its first two episodes, the quality of the writing was immediately apparent. Even The Mandalorian, as much a comic book as it was, was immediately entertaining. They didn't require an entire season for us to wonder if they'd get any better in a second season. Star Wars has been around for a long time. Frankly, a Star Wars series should not need a full season before it shows itself worth the time spent watching.

[@vadalia3860]

Thank you! This fandom is full of arrogant, cynical little edgelords who wouldn't know fascism if the YT algorithm pipelined them directly in the face with it. Allowing their grimdark "the universe is terrible and there are actually no 'good' guys so I can feel free to mindlessly abdicate my responsibility to try discerning merely flawed groups of people from actively malicious groups" nonsense to mold the Jedi into something Lucas clearly never had in mind when he created them was one of the stupidest things modern SW has done (and yes, I'm including putting out a trilogy that they hadn't finalized the plot for in my judgement)

[@yashametlaudna]

Honestly when I found out that the Acolyte was canceled, it just made me realize that there's no point in investing in new star wars shows anymore. The Acolyte was the first star wars show in YEARS that had actually had me hooked since Mando season 1 and it just genuinely upsets me that there's an entirely new era of star wars that we won't be able to see now. Because you KNOW that Disney is essentially going to abandon projects that take even the SLIGHTEST of risks now.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

It’s because audiences don’t want risk anymore, and everything needs to be cater to them and revolve around them all the time in order to be objectively good

[@NoHiro-qc4dv]

Eh, Andor kind of disproves that, I do not recommend sleeping on it. Its concerning Acolyte is gone but to say new star wars is bad is silly when we just got Andor, Ashoka, and Acolyte back to back to back.

[@marshsundeen]

​@@NoHiro-qc4dvit does not bode well for the future. Studios have zero idea what they are doing right now.

[@peterkottke2570]

"Slightest of risks"? They spent 180 million on Acolyte season 1. It started with viewership 50% lower than Akosha and 75% lower than Mandalorian. And it went down from there. I can't blame Disney on this one. Whether you think Acolyte is the worst thing since the Star Wars Christmas special or the best Star Wars television show ever ..... The financial numbers are just too low. Even for Disney.

[@NoHiro-qc4dv]

​@@marshsundeen That I can agree on, it was way too soon to cancel it. A red flag to be sure, and if they keep piling up I will absolutely change my position. I may be being optimistic here, but Andor did genuinely impress me with how far it went and it's scope. That said Andor also got low views on Disney+ at first until word of mouth spread, which is likely what would have happened with Acolyte too.

[@justanotherbrokenerd2285]

I'd like to see Star Wars return to showing us how good battles evil, and triumphs. Keep the diversity, keep the social relevance, let the "heroes" be imperfect. Just stop making the "heroes" look like the "villains". We know that the world is complicated, and there are systemic issues that need to be dealt with. Media has made that point. Now it's time to show us how to move forward. Give us examples of imperfect "heroes", making a meaning effort to create a better future. We can all stand around watching the fire burn the wirld around us, and keep saying, "Look how terrible that is." Or we can start looking at the ppl with the hose, and say I can do that too.

[@markfojas689]

@@justanotherbrokenerd2285 but I think, ultimately the show would have gone there but with a little more complexity and nuance. Maybe they would have succeeded. Within the Jedi order you had absolutely fanatical followers calling the shots. The Acolyte was just calling out this fanaticism. It was interesting.

[@michaeleberl2222]

This is why it's so important for marginalized communities to keep creating our own incredible works of fiction. If the main stream wants to keep reheating the same leftovers in the microwave night after night, then let them. Meanwhile, we can create new stories and franchises that put all their bland nostalgia bait to shame. We're better off creating worlds of our own rather than trying to keep fitting into their sad pre-packaged boxes.

[@justanotherdayinthelife9841]

@@michaeleberl2222 agree, best to make your own works and let them stand on their own legs instead of forcibly inserting a hamfisted agenda into something that did not need nor want it. Those original works can then be free to be itself and possibly be amazing. A film like Aliens would have sucked if they tried to insert Birdcage into it, while on it's own Birdcage is FANTASTIC and Aliens is FANTASTIC.

[@cloudstrife4534]

@@justanotherdayinthelife9841Way to misrepresent the point willfully.

[@justanotherdayinthelife9841]

@@cloudstrife4534 no, I wholly agreed, just not exactly the way you wanted. I am willfully for not screwing with franchises to promote any agenda other than what that franchise was made to hold, for someone else who wasnt a fan of the franchise enough to care about the franchise over their personal agenda in the first place. Do you see Star Wars fans trying to inject their "sentimentality" into other groups films? No. Because thatd destroy what the film was supposed to be about. We want Star Wars according to the lore religiously, and great writing, great acting, first and foremost. Not as an afterthought.

[@michaeleberl2222]

@@justanotherdayinthelife9841 lmao 🤣 our "agenda" makes these old, bland, and tired stories so much better. People who cry and get triggered over inclusion and "wokeness", are the same types who think mayonnaise is spicy and flavor on food is yucky. Star wars is so much better with LGBTQIA rep, and much more realistic. Blows my mind when over protected babies can't handle anything outside of their own experience. Like, haven't we learned that watching the same exact story told over and over and over again is really boring and lame..

[@justanotherdayinthelife9841]

@@michaeleberl2222 This is a Star Wars story, not Invlusion: The Sole Purpose of Star Wars. OBVIOUSLY the people by and large do not want the focus to be on "inclusion" but upon great writing and great acting and storyline that's adherent to the lore. If a Great Story has inclusion too, awesome, but the agenda has been to put story and writing 3rd and 4th but the agenda 1st.

[@QBG]

Jessie Gender: "The Acolyte might have more interesting ideas than Andor." Everyone else: "She BLASPHEMES! Stoooooone herrrrrr!!!!"

[@marshsundeen]

I love both shows for different reasons. The Acolyte went into deep lore. Andor was more about world building.

[@commandosolo1266]

"Only we get to be heroes." I've not had the chance to see The Acolyte yet, but I think you've hit upon it, Ms. G. Ms. Tran who performed in The Last Jedi wrote, "It wasn't their words, it's that I started to believe them. Their words seemed to confirm what growing up as a woman and a person of color already taught me: that I belonged in margins and spaces, valid only as a minor character in their lives and stories." Those that you call "the hegemonic culture" go out of their way to harass creatives, and not just ethnic artists. Their tactic is obvious by now. When a story's a hit, say Black Panther or Andor, they know they'd be shouting into a hurricane. But no artist can guarantee a hit. Any near-miss, like Captain Marvel or The Last Jedi, invites them to come down like a sack of bricks: mocking, review-bombing, and leaving loud diatribes on the 'Net about how the latest effort "ruined their childhood forever" or some-such nonsense. Speaking as a creative, it hurts. I can't remember a worse time to be a creative in the US. This discourages creatives from taking risks, not just in casting but also in theme. The overall result is a less vibrant, engaging, and challenging, more sterile artistic culture -- which is exactly the result they want. The lesson may be drawn from reading the diaries of Goebbels. This awful, awful man seized control of the UFA, the European cinema that at the time rivaled Hollywood and produced masterpieces we still study, such as Metropolis, M, Nosferatu, Caligari, and more. After Goebbels had seized control of the entirety of European cinema from script to screen he lamented, "typical UFA production: mediocre and characterless!" while enviously watching American films in his private home theater. (It's kinda horrifying how much he loved Snow White.) That mediocre lack of character reflected the crimes against culture he and his movement inflicted upon all of Europe after driving such amazing talents as Lorre, Veidt, Lang, Weill, Murnau and Weine to resettle in the US, not to mention snuffing out young talent like Anna Frank, who I believe would have left us treasures had she lived to pen them. "The hegemonic culture" may privately enjoy good stories like the rest of us, but they want to ensure that only they can benefit from them, while stunting everyone under their domination, depriving them of their capacity to dream, reason, and aspire. Never forget the words of Baldur von Schirach, "when I hear the word 'culture' I reach for my revolver."

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

Kathleen Kennedy just seems like a suit to me. Someone with no creative vision who just wants to see chart go up. The idea of her being some woke fanatic is absurd to me and just goes to show how much these dudes need to blame a women for Star Wars going downhill

[@justanotherdayinthelife9841]

@@SuperPal-tr3go not "women" for the majority of that crowd, there are always some of every population that think that way, but truly there was an abrasive misandry that specifically Karhleen Kennedy pushed at the expense of existing fans. She chose exclusion of many existing fans to include others, pushing others down so as to seemingly raise up another demographic instead of just including others and raising everyone up together. She went about Star Wars all wrong, and this is to not even mention her teaming up with Rian Johnson and his wayward act of directing any film for star wars altogether. He absolutely chose to subvert expectations that his film would be a great star wars film.

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

Do you have any quotations/examples/acts of her pushing abrasive misandry?

[@svenkampen1647]

Kathleen Kennedy is definitively just a suit and in her postion for her knowledge on business not art. She has no idea about Star Wars and replied to the question if she was a fan something along the lines that she enjoys the new technologies getting used in the movies creation. That being said she set herself up for the hatred particularly during the Last Jedi time and promotion, because she thought confrontational responses and marketing gimmicks would serve the bottom line, instead her the force is female shirt stunts and counter attacks to haters really only lifted them up and emboldened them, because it showed them they had the power to make executives like Kennedy respond to them and change plans. Keep in mind here that the hate during the prequel era was so massive Anakins child actor ended up massive psychological issues and the jar jar binks actor later confirmed contemplating suicide, yet in large parts those groups were irrelevant in those days and probably under the impression Lucas was far out of reach and did not ever hear about their attacks. There also had been attacks and campagins against Rogue One particularly by far right group that also were not deemed worthy of response and never managed to gain traction. Executives, directors and actors deciding to actually engage with these groups has only ever made them more problematic.

[@justanotherdayinthelife9841]

@@SuperPal-tr3go her hiring practices, her implicit agenda over story, labeling the preexisting star wars fans as a whole misogynists, explicitly antagonizing the fans by stating "the force is female" as if anyone said "the force is male" to stir up press and controversy, basically tearing down men in order to lift up women...even though a TRUE feminist would just lift up women with no need to tear others down. She just needs to go away and all the people who backed her up need to go with her, Forbes said how she handled the franchise was basically corporate malfeasance and Disney backed her up. I want inclusion and diversity, but I want STAR WARS FIRST, so if new characters ters can be made with different ways of being to bring diversity, great, but they need to be great characters first and foremost.

[@SarastistheSerpent]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@justanotherdayinthelife9841what are her hiring practices? As far as I’m aware, that information has never been revealed. I think the problem is that she has no agenda regarding the story, implicit or explicit. That’s her issue. She is banking on nostalgia and has no respect for the themes of Star Wars nor for creativity. She seems to only green light projects that are “safe” and have some superficial connection to a pre existing IP (especially regarding the original trilogy). Sadly, the loudest voices in media criticism these days are indeed openly misogynistic, racist and anti-LGBT. Any legitimate art criticism is drowned out by people screaming about non-white, non-straight/non-cis actors/characters being included in media. It’s sad, and I don’t think it represents the broader Star Wars audience, but it cannot be denied that those ideologues are the forefront of the media criticism landscape. Also, the force is female shirts should not have been controversial at all. They were worn at an event for little girl fans of Star Wars and to encourage girls to get more into the fandom. Again, the fact that it became a controversy at all is proof that media criticism is spearheaded not by people criticizing quality, but ideologues obsessed with rightist culture war issues. What’s worse is, it’s not even inaccurate, lore wise. The force _is_ personified as a female deity in legends, in particular the Light Side, which is called Ashla in some religions and is a feminine deity. It is sometimes juxtaposed to the masculine dark side, Bogan, but George Lucas has gone on record saying that the dark side doesn’t actually exist and is merely an expression of personal corruption on the part of the force user.

[@WyllBG3]

Acolyte had great ideas but poor execution. The pacing was horrible, the writing was mediocre and most of the characters were forgettable. They said the show was a "murder mystery" and they cited RASHOMOM as inspiration.... We had a very lame "mystery" and I feel bad to even began to talk about how they were not even close to Rashomon...

[@akaneh1989]

And that's not even mentioning that Rashoumon the short story is not, in fact, a murder mystery. Rashoumon the Kurosawa movie is, sort-of, because it's mostly "people wait in the rain under a gate called Rashoumon which is where the stort story Rashoumon takes place, and one of them tells the plot of the short story called In the grove, by the same writer as Rashoumon".

[@JasonWickham-k2z]

I enjoyed the show and I also wanted a Season 2. But they lost huge amounts of money on this show and no corporation is going to willingly foot the bill for that twice. That's just the reality we have to deal with.

[@eshbena]

Which is precisely the problem. Movie studios aren't cereal manufacturers. Stories aren't products. You can't churn out stories like you do boxes of oat flakes. It used to be that most studios were run by writers, directors, or actors, people who knew stories. Now, you get a degree in finance and they hire you to run a film studio. It's nuts.

[@grandsome1]

The Star Wars fandom will complain that nothing new is tried in Star Wars but will in the same breath reject anything new. They hated the Acolyte and ignored Andor. There's a staggering amount of fans who'll say they haven't watched Andor, and even more didn't watch the Acolyte. The Acolyte had wonky writing but it was one step up from the Book of Boba Fett or Kenobi.

[@marshsundeen]

I heard about how "boring" Andor is from the fan boys. The same dudes called The Acolyte "Woke." Fans are tiresome.

[@cobaltrogue9175]

Pretty much everyone who watched Andor loved it, though. It doesn't get loud criticism, only passionate praise.

[@twistedelegance_]

This is why George Lucas sold it away. He got tired of the fans and very openly said so.

[@marshsundeen]

@@cobaltrogue9175 I really liked Andor. It is a slow burn and requires an attention span.

[@rashkavar]

Just watching your other videos over on Nebula and while I have no idea how belated this is, I very much wanted to say: congratulations on getting engaged!

[@tecjohnson]

I did not like the Acolyte for various reasons. But every time I talk about my problems with the show (motivations that are not well thought out, plot holes, uninteresting main characters (did like a lot of minor characters)). But can't express any of these criticisms without being thrown in with the biggots. I want more diversity in Star Wars, but it has to be good Star Wars.

[@chloedsmith]

To be frank, unless you're explicit in your intentions and whole perspective in your comments, it's hard to not just add to the hateful noise, and if you're not willing to just make yourself clear and take the responsibility to not just be another voice used to justify the hate, do you really need to say something?

[@khandimahn9687]

Very much this. I'm a long time Star Wars fan. I also want more diversity in SW, I want to see more people that look like me on screen. But my issues with the Acolyte are do to how poorly written it was, nothing else.

[@WonderWusel]

@@chloedsmith praise is accepted without question but dislike is hatefull noise, not sure I agree with this, but lets start with some of my gripes with this show. What motivates both main characters, their motivations flip constantly, "i love you" "I kill you" Why did the jedi kill himself, from the flashbacks we learn, he did NOTHING WRONG... he was mindcontrolled and had no power over most of his actions. The witches died, because "smoke moster" attacked them and they defended themself. Why the fakeout with the dark master, it was obvious from the start and added nothing. Why did Sol not defend himself at all and just accepts death by? He does not even try to explain his actions from the past... No sense of space and time, they jump from planet to planet, this would be jarring even without space travel. Why do they arrest her at the beginning? It is obvious from the timing, that she could not have done it? Why dont they bring her with them? Why is she on a different space ship? Why does it take for the prison ship so long to get to the capitol. Solid stone doens't burn, why does the generator in the hidden gigantic mountain frotress exlode. How can they hide the killing of 8-10? jedi from the council? I could go on, for a long time. Nothing in this story makes any sense...

[@chloedsmith]

@@WonderWusel k! Now, if you put half that effort into the bare minimum and say "before you bigots use my words to justify your shit, don't think we're even close to the same", you're good!

[@WonderWusel]

@@chloedsmith it is very simple, do not attack any actor on any project based on any personal traits, be it skin colour, gender or anything else. Diversity should never be misused as a reason to hate something or shield yourself from criticism. I wanted this show to be good, it wasn't, end of story. Instead of wasting another 180 mil on S2, maybe someone else can do something better instead.

[@darthnowlan]

Not everyone who hated Acolyte were bigots. Some had legit criticism. The show had some bad writing in it. A lot of people say Sol's character in the show deserved a better fate was a point of criticism a lot of people had for the show!

[@t3tsuyaguy1]

I understand what you're saying, but I don't actually think that Disney is listening to the bigots. It is the case that we have several shows featuring diverse casts and marginalized groups, which were all very well received, because they were well made. I think Leslie Headland showed in a lot of her interviews about The Acolyte that she is not the reason that Russian Doll was so successful. She is focused on all the wrong things, and that is why she put out this mess of a show. I think the execs have good reason to think that she wouldn't be able to do meaningfully better a second time around. I don't think we're going to stop getting diverse characters and stories. I think Iger's comments suggest that they are going to stop hering people who are in activist mode and instead hire diverse artists who have interesting things to say and can deliver on quality. At leasts that is my hope.

[@EnordAreven]

Didn't like the end of the series, but the idea of a rashamon style multiple perspectives look back, on how two force sensitive twins slowly turn from one side of the force to another, in an era where other force users were branded sith by a close minded jedi council, is and should have been really really really god damn interesting! maybe a few different scenes, a few line changes and a new ending and I would have LOVED this series!

[@SarastistheSerpent]

I personally loathed the Acolyte, and in a way I am glad it was cancelled because I don’t want them to retcon the events of the Darth Plagueis novel (which IMO is the greatest work of Star Wars, ever), but at the same time I do worry that Lucasfilm is going to take the wrong lessons from this and just pump out more soulless nostalgia-bait.

[@WonderWusel]

Some new and frensh ideas, wasted by terrible screen writing, a wasted cast of actors... with an eye watering budget of ~180 Million dollars.

[@barbarayhivjaneahl3198]

This cancellation genuinely bugs me. Not only for the potential that the show had even with its messier parts, but also for the fact that we can’t have genuinely messy interesting bumbling shows anymore. We can’t have a show that is trying to find its footing in the first season,having interesting ideas while stumbling along the way. It has to be perfect award-winning, 10 out of 10 must see TV from the jump and ,like, that’s just not how television has worked traditionally. And I’m also sad for a Star Wars fan because this was the first non-Skywalker thing to that doesn’t take place during the, original trilogy or prequels that we got to see the Jedi at full strength so this speak. And that is fascinating! That is interesting and that has like that is a great place to have a story like this that leans into how kind of fuck the Jedi are and how they fellbut because of the current moment, in with art and politics, it just couldn’t live and I’m bummed.

[@cobaltrogue9175]

Have you, by chance, played Knights Of The Old Republic?

[@SmartSmears]

I see that point about using justifiable criticism as a springboard for bigotry and i agree. I've always noticed how once it became clear Lower Decks's reception within the Trek fanbase was going to be positive more than polarising the bigotry videos also started to slowly fade away and it was just ignored instead

[@cobaltrogue9175]

So, why don't they just give these shows what they need in order to have little to no jutlstifiable criticism aimed at them?

[@diana.winter]

The Acolyte had a lot of interesting ideas that were mentioned in interviews, but ultimately it failed to translate any of them to the screen. The attempt at moral ambiguity was amateurish. “Jedi are actually bad, mmmkay” only works if there’s something to compare them against. The actions of the Witches and the Sith are objectively much worse so the Jedi come off, at worst, as immature and stupid. Something which could be said of basically every character in the show. That leads into the next problem which is that there’s no reason to care about any of the characters other than we’re told we’re supposed to. Maybe the writers had amazing character development ideas, but they never put any of them into show. Instead we have to rely on interviews to tell us what they thought they were going for. The plot once again had interesting ideas but none of them were executed in a way that even made any sense. Everything relied on the total breakdown of communication between all parties involved and character actions were driven solely by “How do we get the plot from point A to point B” rather than any attempt at nuance or depth. There’s another recent show that explored moral ambiguity and the relationship between two estranged sisters on different paths. Arcane. The big difference is that Arcane did it so much better that the Acolyte feels like bad fanfic in comparison. Another recent example of a show exploring moral ambiguity and childhood trauma is Blue Eyed Samurai. It’s hard to overstate just how good that show is at exploring those themes. When we contrast those shows with The Acolyte, the latter falls so short it’s ridiculous that it made it past any type of QA process before release. The Acolyte was canceled because the writing team demonstrated they couldn’t produce a show worthy of the Star Wars name despite spending more than most blockbuster movies.

[@vadalia3860]

What?! You expect trained diplomats to not fall for a "failure to communicate" wacky high jinks premise that even 60s sitcoms would have thought were too stupid to be realistic? Clearly the fans simply cannot be pleased!

[@Zectifin]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't stand Arcane. Good voice acting and animation. Everything else annoyed me.

[@ganapatikamesh]

A friend and I were having a similar conversation and I brought up how many of the shows that are now celebrated or are considered the birth of beloved franchises that if there had been a similar environment in the entertainment industry as there is today, especially in streaming, that none of those shows would have survived. I told him about shows that didn't make it through their first season on television that I have watched, especially now, and they're shows that really it's easy to see why they didn't continue and A LOT of them it's basically: they presented a unique premise or idea and then instead of following that unique premise or idea they just became an ordinary tv show like everything else that was already on so whatever would have made it different the writers just weren't using and the show didn't pick up viewers in the ratings so the broadcast or cable channels canceled the show. For example I remember there was this sitcom from the 1980s that presents in the opening credits that the ventriloquist puppet left behind in a trunk of a house a family moves into is magically alive and helps the family, but then you watch any of the episodes that aired and the puppet only ever pops up to deliver some joke line and the rest of the episode is just a family sitcom. Or take any of the sitcoms that were based on successful films like the tv spin off of Harry & The Hendersons where eventually the Harry character is barely a focus on any of episodes as it continues. In the 1990s there's a sitcom that got two seasons where the premise was that characters from fairy tales somehow came into the real world and try to make it. And while a few of the early episodes successfully play with this idea, by the middle of the first season it's just become a family sitcom with very little mention of the fairy tale world and when you combine that with the revolving changes of the cast I was actually surprised that it did get a second season (where further cast changes happened before the network cancelled it). Today there's shows on streaming that do stick to their ideas or concepts and don't have heavy rotating casts and yet they're cancelled because the companies don't think they're a big enough hit. Like not every show is going to become a superstar show right off the bat, especially when you also consider that previous shows on broadcast, cable, and satellite television were given a lot more episodes. I mean, today a show gets 8-10 episodes whereas in the past shows got at least 21-26 episodes per season. Heck on of my favorite shows from the late 1990s and early 2000s, The Tribe, literally has 52 episodes per season because it aired weekly throughout the year with a new episode. One of the reasons it's a favorite show is because it really, really, really focuses on characters and there's lots of characters introduced in it, but there's enough episodes that you really get to learn about them, connect to them, and when things happen to them (and there's no plot armor in the show so anything can happen to any of them) you feel it deeply. Even now when I was showing my niece the show after meeting one of the cast members at a convention (he was there representing something else he was in, but I remember him from The Tribe) she said that what she likes most about the show is how much focus there is in every episode on characters and having us learn and understand them. I just don't think a show like that would work if it was limited to 8-10 episodes per season. The show went on to have 5 seasons and was only ended because the creators of the show felt like the show had moved beyond the original premise due to the characters getting older and so wanted to end the series and they network they made the show for agreed to let them. Even the shows Ocean Girl and Spellbinder got more episodes and other seasons which allowed those stories to be expanded upon even though the first seaons of them were originally written to be stand alone shows without any other seasons. It makes me weary today to invest time into watching shows because I never know if they're going to continue. In the past when shows I liked got cancelled I'd feel upset, but I had some understanding as to why the show might be cancelled. Like when NBC cancelled SeaQuest DSV. I was upset because I liked the premise of the show, but after season one I knew the network had demanded there be changes which resulted in all the changes in season 2 and that the network meddled again after season 2 to demand changes which resulted in season 3. And while I personally enjoyed season 1 more than 2 and 3, I had hoped that there'd be a season 4 to maybe have the network stop meddling and let the creatives take back control of the show. Unfortunately the network cancelled it, but given how poorly rated the third season was and how it felt like the show was constantly striving to reach so many different audiences rather than the ones who originally watched (and in fact many of those who originally watched like a cousin of mine who works in a job related to ocean tourism, scuba diving, deep sea, etc who liked the first season) and so I was upset but understood that a show cannot continue if it is losing an audience and cannot figure out who its target audience is (or stop being meddled with by the network because they want the show to be something else than what it was proposed to be). Today I watch shows and just assume that they're only getting one season and sometimes I see shows proposed and wonder if I'm going to bother to watch something, especially something premised on something I wouldn't necessarily normally watch, to see what it's about. I have friend who've asked me to watch lots of shows on streaming services that I am only mildly interested in and so I haven't bothered because I don't want to watch something that might not last more than the one season. With some of them I do finally watch after they've gotten more seasons, though it annoys a few of my friends because they want to talk about the show up to where they've seen and they feel like they cannot to do so because I'm playing catch up....though I don't know why given that I've said it's fine if they tell me about stuff and even give spoilers. I mean, these same friends never seem overly bothered about spoiling films to me when talking about them so not sure why they're this way with some shows.

[@svenkampen1647]

I'll be honest if a show sets out to muddle the water about the fascists of the franchise being the bad guys and promotes itself by the cast throwing out insane whataboutisms to defend the empire in interviews for the promotion, I've got to ask how it manages to live up to its supposedly progressive message. George Lucas very intentionally wrote the Empire as both the nazis and the darkest aspects of US imperialism he criticized and then in the prequels very intentionally deconstructed Darth Vader to represent modern american far right groups members. Anakin is a whiny crybaby that blames everyone else for his problems and chokes his wife while claiming he wants to protect her by the end. Precisely because Lucas wanted to explore how these kind of people end up in a fascist group. Anakin has genuine problems, more reasonable sources don't have a satisfying answer and slight him in his ambitions and as a result he joins a guy who supports his ambitions when he lies about having a miracle solution. And that is meant to represent how people with no perspective or significant setbacks in their life who more centrist or leftwing groups have nothing to offer join these hateful often mysoginistics groups and end up literally pushing for an end of democracy, while playing the victim. Trying to say like no the space nazis leaderships ideology is empowering and the Jedi's are so suppressive, because we in this show show them do things they never did before, precisely to justify the faschists is the core problem in the show. It does not manage like Lucas in the prequels tried to show that the failings of institutions for individuals or in its entirety does lead to the rise of faschism, but seeks to justify selfish and vile behavior by the imperfections of others in much the same way that the far right representing Anakin completely nonsensically tries during the finale of Episode 3.

[@rena7123]

I'm also frustrated... A show about force witches would have been great. Rewatching the expanse at the moment, to clear my mind😅

[@guthreleonard4164]

such an amazing show and book series. Unrivaled in what it does

[@scpatl4now]

I really feel like there is a rush to cancel lots of potentially good scifi. Yes, it is expensive to make in many cases, but they know that going into it. I feel like a lot of these shows don't get time to get off their feet and breathe. Six or eight 30-40 min episodes isn't enough, but when you give been counters on Wall St control...they just cancel things.

[@SarastistheSerpent]

Star Wars technically is fantasy, not sci-fi, but I do see your point

[@jokester3076]

The Acolyte got canceled because it cost 180 million dollars, almost the same budget as a season of HOTD. Disney needed big returns to justify renewing it. The last Jedi made over a billion dollars despite the backlash and being review bombed, so it got a sequel.

[@Djinsin]

I can't even talk to my brother anymore about the things I like. He's absolutely drinking the kool-aid that shows that are obvious about their politics are bad and "woke" is just a term for "forcing personal politics" (not sure what "objective" politics are, but whatever). I sat through 3 seasons of Bad Batch, the blandest Star Wars show I've ever seen, but even suggesting he watch the Acolyte with me is met with disgust.

[@davidmacfarlane1763]

So you brought up the racism and hate (and gods it was there). Do you think say DS9 could be made in this environment? A Black commander (eventually captain) with stories about racism. A gender changing character, Fascism critiqued? I kind of think Ds9 would struggle to exist today, and that makes me sad.

[@leonenriquez5031]

I needed this perspective to be publicly shared so much. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels like you do, Jessie. Thank you

[@erics3367]

I See what you are saying and I feel like there are seeds in in the show for criticism of the Jedi. But for me it always comes down to does it just depict the thing or does it really formulate it's criticisms. And I think for me it was too much just on its head depiction. I'm not asking to be spooned every thought to me. To be more clear about what I mean, take Andor for comparison. Andor wasn't just depiction of a thing, it was inherently critical, of capitalism, of the prison system, etc. That what was lacking here, for me. I was to be honest annoyed about the end of the season, because there were too many things left open dangling in the air. It felt to me like a cynical "And stick around for season 2 to get any kind of answers to alll this questions we threw on the wall here".

[@mudling]

I read a good fb post the other day saying how bad the first season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer was. Imagine if Buffy had been cancelled after the first season! Shows these days just aren't allowed the opportunity to get better and show their potential.

[@matiasdevaglia4541]

I understand what you are saying, but "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" didn't cost 180 millions for a total running time of just 4 or 5 hours. It also didn't alienate an existing fan base.

[@mattgibbs6834]

Agree completely. I enjoy the world building and stories of Star Wars, but it needs to grow beyond its reliance on its mono-mythic roots in the hero's journey and embrace wider storytelling. New perspectives and ways of approaching this universe do not lessen what's gone before-if anything it enriches it.

[@oliverbaba1882]

It's so sad that just not consuming a product; movie, show or videogame doesn't seem to be an option anymore. things need to be ended, humiliated and "crushed". getting stuff canceled while complaining about cancel culture is at least a bit funny...

[@superpheemy]

When you take your vid into the bathroom and are reflected in the mirrors there. There was Jessie here, Jessie there, it was just... Jessieception!

[@sonic8005]

The sad thing is that these companies investing in these shows have legit horrible things they do but Acolyte got cancelled because the backlash of being "woke" for starring black women basically....

[@jokester3076]

Ahsoka starred a black women, there was no woke backlash

[@mzaite]

@@jokester3076Dawson is more “non-white” than “black” to the people that get all worked up about this shit. Like how racists treated Jews, Irish, and Italians as “not white” in the 19th and 20th century.

[@jokester3076]

@@mzaite You and @sonic8005 are just in denial of the simple reality that the reason the show got canceled was because it was terrible! nobody watched it due to bad word of mouth from casual viewers like me who gave it chance but tuned out half-way. the Starwars content on Disney+ has been mixed, even Mandalorian season 3 was a disappointment.

[@saintetienne373]

If the show didn't cost 150million, it may have had a few seasons to grown into something good. But you really can't blame Disney for looking at the ratings after episode 2 and deciding to cancel it.

[@mzaite]

@@jokester3076 it wasn’t terrible. I watched the Phantom Menace IN THEATERS, I witnessed The Holiday Special when you still had to know a guy with a VHS tape of it. I know from terrible Star Wars. This was C grade Starwars. Which means it was good enough to have spent the time to watch, but not good enough to come back to. You wan’t more star wars, you gotta come to terms with mediocre Star Wars. Because most of it is hitting that part of the bell curve.

[@Han-rw9ev]

Kathleen Kennedy could have ADDED to the original Star Wars lore in the manner of the Star Wars Expanded Universe. Unfortunately, she set out to completely REPLACE the original version of the franchise by effectively eliminating legacy characters, or at least devaluing them, while attempting to make them less appealing to fans. Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Boba Fett to a certain extent were all deliberately turned into miserable failures (Indiana Jones suffered a similar fate), that usually had to be 'saved' by a 'superior' Kennedy-approved replacement female character. (we even got a replacement 'Skywalker' after the original family was killed off). Fans don't like their favourite characters treated like that, especially when it's done deliberately. Once they recognise that, everything that goes against the expected norms is recognised as an attack (Kathleen Kennedy's attitude, even her comments pretty much made it clear, it's no accident. NOT a great way to get the support of the fans). Also, people don't like activism clunkily shoved in their faces. Look at Andor. It has a diverse cast of varying races or sexualities, but the story is so well written, such things don't get in the way of it.. Everything is natural. Their skin colour or who they're sleeping with isn't the characters' main defining trait. You care more about their personalities and histories. You WANT to know more about them I'd describe it as being diversity done right.. In comparison, with The Acolyte, the story wasn't the main priority. The Acolyte had potential to be far better than it was, had it been written by a better writer (it is difficult enough to be a good writer, but an activist writer is all too often more an activist than a writer at the cost of the story, and all too often it shows) but it had the issues that have become Kennedy trademarks. Just about every male character was incompetent or 'bad' and there was an almost contemptuous attitude towards the legacy aspects of the franchise (including established continuity). Even 'normies' recognised that (There's also that almost hypocritical thing about getting male characters to strip down, while treating female characters the opposite way..(I'm not really bothered about that, it's just the hypocrisy I'm pointing out)). And quality MATTER Remember, The Acolyte cost 180 million dollars, not including other costs like marketing. There was no leeway failure. It was SUPPOSED to represent Kathleen Kennedy's ultimate vision for the Star Wars franchise, which she had spent a decade DELIBERATELY destroying George Lucas's legacy for. And yet it didn't work out. The Acolyte would have fared better if had a better writer who was more focused on the quality and integrity of the story and who genuinely understood the Star Wars universe (even Marvel made the mistake of hiring people who didn't understand the source material. It's distracting when someone starts breaking prominent aspects of the lore), a better director and one or two cast changes. I think that's all it really needed. Actually, it also had to LOOK like it cost almost 200 million. Where the viewership was concerned, the makers themselves TOLD the old school fans, it wasn't for them. (though after a decade, Star Wars fans have learned what they can expect from the current version of Lucasfilm) The other issue was that the type of 'replacement' audience it WAS intended for, which they made clear to EVERYONE (just check out their interviews. You'd have to be blind and deaf no to get the message) simply didn't turn up in the necessary numbers. It also didn't help that after the first two episodes, a huge chunk of the original audience left. Like I said, quality MATTERS. (full disclosure concerning my stance towards diversity - I have no issues with diversity but it has to be appropriate, and not take you out of the story. Also, diversity has often been used as a shield against legitimate criticism. As for representation, personally I have no NEED to see MYSELF or anyone like me in other people's stories or games, so I find it really weird when other people do. I like stories as a form of escapism. I DON'T want to see the real world represented in it. There's also this. I've read plenty of stories where the hero leaves home and sees various parts of the world. Now if you shove diversity into EVERYTHING, the hero leaves home, goes around the world, visits all these new places, and all this time he's thinking 'Hey, those people look just like our neighbours.'.

[@justanotherdayinthelife9841]

@@Han-rw9ev well said.

[@veronicareitherreese6671]

You have some legitimate concerns. I find the diversity whine old and tiresome to justify why we can't have different types of heroes. Sorry, but women can be more than slave girls. If you only have men at the center of your stories, some men are going to be "bad" because because good guys need bad guys for the good vs. evil storyline. Frankly, I found Lucas as someone destroying his own franchise with his constant "tweeking" and refusal to give his fans a 4K unaltered original trilogy annoying.

[@hselwyn]

If Acolyte was released all at once, it would’ve been better. Some episodes were bland and the acting was flat, but if it was a “film” of sorts it could’ve lowered the weekly hate hype.

[@drtaverner]

_3 Body Problem_ has a diverse cast, more story, longer runtime, and cost less. It has far better ratings, has much better writing, and people watched it.

[@julianc3682]

The big takeaway for this show being cancelled is that it did not meet the expected financial returns for Disney. $180m is a lot and very little seemed to show on screen. Especially with the short length of these episodes. I commend the costume department, very much like the Jedi formal and field robes. The emphasis on race & gender does not match Disney's track record - rather money does! Remember which company changed the sequels poster to reduce John's part, or included an edit of a film to erase a same-sex kiss? $ = Disney happy, nothing else. Storytelling for this show was a mess - who's killing the Jedi? answered in the first 5 minutes. And those issues persisted. The story did not progress organically but relied on events dictating the progression - very little character development or motivation seem to survive from one episode to another. I also think that the choice of individual directors for episodes can be a mis-step, 1 head-writer and 1 director to share vision and consistency would perhaps serve a short episode run show. Especially with crazy short episodes to boot. I've seen people say these scripts read like a first draft - and I'm forced to agree.

[@matiasdevaglia4541]

The Acolyte has good ideas and a great diverse cast, but doesn't do anything interesting or exciting with them. It's like bad Star Wars fanfiction, written by 12 years old children trying to tell an "adult story". It wasted some of its best characters. The script couldn't do justice to the morally and psychologically complex story they wanted to tell. It also didn't work financially: 180 millions for just about 4 or 5 hours of content! Where did that money go? Because you certainly can't see it on the screen. Finally, the way these shows are structured, like a very long movie cut into weekly 30-45 minutes pieces, also damaged the storytelling. The one redeeming factor were the fight scenes: awesome in choreography and execution, amongst the best of the entire saga.

[@phangkuanhoong7967]

nah. it had ideas that never properly coalesced, never took the ideas far enough, had major pacing problems, too many unnecessary screen swipes for no reason, can't decide on its tone, messy scene arrangements, weak character work and totally wasted the talents of diverse cast. it is lightyears away from what Andor has achieved. i personally would rather they pour resources into making a stellar season 2 for Andor. i don't need another story that attempts what the prequels had already explored, but doesn't venture deeper. did it had potential? sure. but the execution leaves a lot to be desired.

[@imitationpitaya]

I have to agree. The Acolyte would’ve been so good if it was good.

[@svenkampen1647]

I mean everything has potential. The fact you have 180mill to make something has potential, but did the Acolyte have more potential than other shows that got cancelled? I mean if I think of all the shows Netflix cancelled prematurely... there was better stuff and the per season budgets of some of them would not add up to the acolytes if you put them all together. And if I compare Netflix really big budget shows like Stranger Things, One Piece, Sandman to the acolyte that money showed way more.

[@francb1634]

at the end of the day, once you strip out the politics: It was a bad show, that was exceedingly expensive with almost no fan support.

[@markfojas689]

You want to tell me the Prequels were better than the Acolyte? Why wasn’t the Acolyte given the same benefit of a doubt?

[@Mallory-Malkovich]

George Lucas still owned Star Wars when the prequels were made. Disney shareholders don't care about story or art. They only care that the line goes up.

[@andrewklang809]

The Prequels were really a unique case. Like, no matter how bad TNG S1 was, Roddenberry wasn't going to cancel it. Paramount, maybe, but not Gene. Nobody was going to cancel the Prequels but George. Unfortunately, he wasn't really gonna learn from his mistakes either. He wasn't making decisions based on business, just on ego. Kennedy doesn't have that same level of dictatorial power; if she doesn't change the product to appease Disney, the Mouse will kick her out.

[@SarastistheSerpent]

Well, yes objectively the prequels were better than the acolyte. The only issue with the prequels really was the script. George Lucas doesnt know how to write dialogue. But he’s great at creating stories, and he was very good at portraying religious and philosophical themes. The acolyte didn’t really have either of those things (and in particular very much went against the heavily Daoist theology of Lucas’ movies), and it was _also_ not well written, and had a distinct lack of artistic creativity. I’ve noticed how modern Star Wars has so few alien characters compared to the Prequels and other prequel media (like the Darth Plagueis novel, Cloak of Deception, the various Darth Maul novels-Lockdown, Shadow Hunter etc.).

[@KnightRaymund]

Yes, the Prequels are much better. Especially episode 3.

[@LadCorazon]

The prequel revisionists are insane. I watched all 3 with a zoomer friend who never saw them just a few months ago and I can confirm that they suck ass. People say they love the ideas, but all that says to me is that they have some very mid taste in wiki articles. Acolyte on the other hand genuinely was interesting and challenging in some really dope ways that out weigh the bad. It's like the old kotor games, and people loved those. If we're being honest, people just don't like that the mc is a black woman with lesbian mothers. If she were a white man with het parents, there'd be so many think pieces praising it to death. Marvel has melted people's minds.

[@minidwarf4266]

I was really hoping that acolyte would’ve been like a new trek show. A very muddy first season but better installments down the line. But so many people had to throw a tantrum at this show and the amount of hate the show is getting even after its cancellation is weirdly enough intriguing even if it’s toxic. It really highlights a cult like mindset that sets up this terrible binary of us or them. But if Lucas keeps listening to the echo chambers of hate I guess shows will never get a chance to grow.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@minidwarf4266 sadly the audiences that constantly need to be spoonfed with their desires and demand I need the world to constantly revolves around them are being catered towards all the time

[@higgleopss]

The show was canceled because it costs $22 million per episode with low initial viewership that declined over time. Viewership mainly driven by people who barely know that this entire online discourse even exists. It wasn't popular enough to justify the blockbuster budget it (entirely unnecessarily) had.

[@ansambel3170]

The ideas and the pitch for the show were interesting, but the show failed to explore them in any meaningfull way, not to mention bad writing. I don't know what went wrong during production, and it might not be the fault of the creators, but the result is so bad, i can't imagine throwing another 200 mil at the project, in hopes maybe somehow it will be better. Getting a different team to make a new show seems like a better idea, from both ends. Ofc this sucks for the ppl involved with the show, but thats working on big projects is like, sometimes a whole lot of good work will go to the drain, because of few morons in key positions.

[@bridget7539]

On a more personal level, I'm upset at the series with the most overt focus on romance and sexuality is the one to get axed. The continued muting of that aspect of Star Wars just makes it all feel so corporate and soulless.

[@Caterfree10]

Ayup, the only romance that’s been allowed in SW was HanLeia. Everything else gets sidelined in some fashion.

[@bridget7539]

@@Caterfree10 Well. There's also Padmé and Anakin.

[@rdkirk3834]

@@Caterfree10 Two rather overt bedroom scenes in Andor, plus a lesbian couple. Plus profanity.

[@bridget7539]

@rdkirk3834 the relationships in Andor are there, and I do really appreciate them for adding texture to the show and the characters, but they aren't really central to the plot the way the relationship between Osha and Qimir is.

[@rdkirk3834]

@@bridget7539 Wait, there was a sexual relationship between Osha and Qimir that was central to the plot? I did detect some sexual manipulation on Qimir's part...is that sexual manipulation what you're calling "romance and sexuality?"

[@orlando-from-The-Bronx]

"Space Catholics" I started writing a screenplay as soon as you said that. I even have a theme song, sung to the tune of Space Cowboy. ♫♪ I’m a space Cath-lic; bet you weren’t ready for that I’m a space Cath-lic; I’m sure you know where it’s at ♪♫ "No one expects the Jedi Inquisition!"

[@jayphailey]

Streaming is undergoing a... shrinking. It turns out there wasn't the money in it that everyone thought, so studios are cancelling everything except the "Sure things". We had a golden age of Star Wars and Star Trek... and now, we go into time when adjustments are made.

[@BowievMercury]

Yeah alas - I've got a horrible feeling Disney/Lucasfilm are going to learn all the wrong lessons from this and it is just endless creatively bankrupt nostalgia for its own sake from now on. When, from the eery similarity to flaws in other recent Star Wars stuff, pacing, exposition, first draft feeling script etc, I've got a suspicion that most of this show's flaws can be firmly pointed at executive interference. Though admittedly I *still* vehemently disagree with the 'jedi are space cops and acab amiright'? premise of the show (Seriously the lone cultural group in star wars that had always previously been depicted as egalitarian and multicultural being portrayed as the colonialists when every other cultural group in the franchise is shown to be highly bigoted against anyone they deem other and I'm not supposed to go wait hold on a second. (Especially with the whole, force sensitives repeatedly being shown to be hunted to death for being 'other' and doing feelings 'wrong' with the jedi as a safe haven almost neurodivergent community.) I do loathe the way the same old shouty bigots are crowing about this as if its some huge victory for their 'side' when, no this is a loss for all of us. I'm not sure when this us vs them yay a show's been cancelled crowing started but oopf, I think its adding to the perception that more things aren't making it these days when there's many shows I love that never made it past a first season/got a mid-show cancellation, stop now, don't even finish filming the current round of scripts... Or in the notable case of one particular show that won almost all the TV awards possible, and has an outsized influence on TV landscape to this day, still got cancelled because the powers that be got cold feet. Sigh - at least I've got Doctor Who and The Expanse to go back to, and Russian Doll, as an example of something at least partially by Leslye Headland that was allowed time to breathe.

[@CT_Phipps]

I feel like so much is being said about the Acolyte's cancellation being diverse voices being silenced, it neglects the show is about the diverse cast being a woman of color joining the cult of Space nazis.

[@cobaltrogue9175]

THIS.

[@Saidor570]

Why can't a woman of color be a sith? I actually also appreciate seeing diversity amongst the villains. Remember the Reva backslash for the Obi-Wan TV show?

[@CT_Phipps]

@@Saidor570 Mostly because it'd be nice to have some POC color heroines before we get to them joining the ultra bad guys. We've had two Dark Side women of color and that's not counting the video games. Can we have a heroic POC woman. Perhaps even a LGBT one? Just saying.

[@SarastistheSerpent]

@@Saidor570honestly I really do not want to see any more humans as Sith. Black, white, Asian, it doesn’t matter. The generation of Sith preceding Darth Sidious were all aliens. Darth Plagueis (Muun), Darth Venemis (Bith) Darth Tenebrous (Bith), Tenebrous’ master (Twi-Lek), Darth Gean (Twi-Lek) etc. No more humans.

[@svenkampen1647]

It is astounding how the show was literally marketed by them spouting whataboutisms to try and justify the empire. Like was blowing up the death star really good, if there were people on that weapon only built to wipe out entire planets, on their way to destroy the one you were on after it already killed one with millions of people on them. We're like one step away from "There is something good about everybody. Especially Hitler", if thats what we're throwing out about the obviously Nazi inspired empire. Keep in mind that Lucas did not conicdentally make them all white dudes back then. Every other faction in star wars had aliens in the movies.

[@beresaurus]

I'd say that the show was limited by its rather short runtime which doesn't allow the show to be more in-depth

[@gamedude412]

This is going to sound mean, The Shills of lucasfilm and the anti fandom Had zero impact of acolyte. Disney+ had 150m subs and the Week 8 numbers for the show were about 130-200k views per Ep. This show was doomed to fail. It targeted a niche demographic of a niche demographic with an unpopular Niche timeframe. Like its Targeted audience was Reylo shippers according to Headland. Serial Harassers of Adam driver and his wife were a target audience. "thrist traps". The audience of the acolyte while loud is a negative ROI. While Andor was 250m dollar for 12ep that were 40-50 minutes of content, The acolyte was 180m for 8ep and there only 30ish and two ep are the same event.

[@brianholmes1812]

The example of a messy season 1 I always like to bring up is Clone Wars. One of the most widely beloved pieces of Star Wars media had an abysmal start. Perhaps given the opportunity this could have been the next Clone Wars. But no. Instead we kill any show that isn't immediately the most popular thing ever aired and continue telling the same stories over and over again

[@pixelgoat7317]

Strangely reminds me of the discourse around Mortal Kombat 1 right now with its new DLC Story pack; MK1 is a tacky game by itself, and Warner Bros is both exceptionally exploitative and doesn't know how to manage a gaming studio worth a shit. But the gender-swapping of two male characters (for 'multiverse hijinks' reasons) while it is legitimately a tired corporate trope, brought all the delicate white male gamergate types out of the woodwork to be racist misogynistic assholes. They could've brought back the series' many other female characters, which is my criticism, but it can be hard to objectively criticize these companies without sounding like your typical MAGAChud. This friction has caused me, as a queer nerd myself, to lose a lot of friendship opportunities because of this, it's really frustrating.

[@marshsundeen]

The canceling of The Acolyte concerns me for Doctor Who. The current season had highs and lows, but they got hate for having the first Black Scottish Doctor. Disney is not showing any backbone

[@michaelseitz8938]

Why do you expect Disney or other companies to show backbone? They are capitalists and care only about ... capital.

[@xionkuriyama5697]

When I found out, I was reminded--there's no point to my creativity, there's no point to me bothering to put any effort into my one skill of writing. The worst chuds on the internet will destroy my work anyway. Why bother writing? Why bother creating? Nobody cares, everybody hates it.

[@KatEtoile]

The point is the process and being creative! And not even everyone hated this show. There are plenty of loyal fans who are disappointed. What you create does not have to compare to content that a major corporation has churned out. What I’m trying to say is, if you have creativity and talent, don’t let it go to waste, even if you don’t get validation from others that often. Star Wars’ failure is not your own! ❤

[@l.p.5703]

That is so sad to hear but understandable. Don’t focus on the angry mobs but the few of us out here who would identify with your work. Good art isn’t always popular art.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@KatEtoile but the point is how audiences can be an immovable object in one’s path to creativity and originality like it’s not just the validation but also the consequences of the validation as we see with the acolytes cancellation

[@Starbush69]

I go back and forth with stuff like this on my creativity too. You’re not alone. 🫶🫶

[@KatEtoile]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 As a creative myself I do definitely understand this point but we can also alternatively see how great it is when audience love something, take Andor for example. And so you must believe in yourself, that you will create the next Andor, or whatever you want! :)

[@vengxance]

when an episode costs over 20mil it’s perfectly reasonable for both the studio and the audience to have very high expectations game of thrones was great from the very first episode

[@poenpotzu2865]

At that opening point I agree. Sometimes i try to shut my mouth when i have some criticisms of shows. Rings of Power is very much an example of this. I also feel how social media and its algortihtim just emboldens these bigots to be more present and dominant on online spaces. For hells sake when i search up star wars on youtube i get a bunch of grifters.

[@JoannaRives]

The enshitiffication encomy as described by Corey Doctorow.

[@SMunro]

It was cancelled because it was poorly written. They could have re-shot a lone wolf and cub samurai film as a sith and apprentice tale and it would have had better writing.

[@CoffeeBlack-VOY]

For me, the action was the only great thing about the Acolyte. The writing and some of the production choices were extremely poor. At the end of the day, the series didn't have enough loyal viewership to warrant a second season.

[@MatthewBreck]

I gave up on the acolyte after the second episode. It seems like weird to me the Nielsen numbers very clearly prove the viewership dropped off fast why should they pay more money for a product that doesn’t make them money?

[@chrisblake4198]

I can't feel bad for a show that pulled such blatant queerbaiting and bury your gays in 2024. I wanted to love the show and gave it every opportunity, but it disappointed me and I'm not unhappy to see it over.

[@MRDLT00]

1:04 “Critical” but saying that the murderous Sith are the better alternative???

[@t3tsuyaguy1]

I think The Acolyte did indeed have interesting ideas. It's just a really bad execution. It wasn't the kinds of mistakes that you only notice when you're nitpicking. It was the kind of mistakes that cause the audience to get bored and leave. Which is exactly what happened. It had a pretty respectable premire, but the viewership just dropped off more and more with each episode. As someone who watched to the end, I don't really feel like I got my time's worth.

[@youtubeviewer8531]

The Acolyte was terrible so it should have been canceled.

[@georgecisneros5281]

All that need be said. Conversation over.

[@Stephen-Fox]

The other thing, with US television at least, is the death of syndication. The Acolyte was being made by Disney, for Disney+. If it doesn't work for Disney+... There's nowhere else to shop it. TNG was made by Paramount for first-run syndication, with none of the major networks being willing to commit to a full season (Fox came closest, offering 13 episodes but requiring it to be a rush job), leading them to decide to make it directly for syndication. Which... Well, I'm not American. Frankly, the old American syndication system baffles me. I genuinely do not understand the mechanics in which that was successful for Paramount, except that it was successful for Paramount. I'm barely able to comprehend how ITV worked prior to the neoliberal policies of the Tories in the 80s and early 90s that eventually allowed corporate takeovers eventually resulting in it essentially becoming a singular channel around the late 90s/early 00s rather than a loose congregation of regional channels that shopped their shows to each other (often developing specialities within themselves)

[@ArcaJ]

The Acolyte was kinda messy, but I think that was by design. There were a lot of emotions wrapped up with some bad decisions. I find that pretty relatable. 😅

[@Nejvyn]

The Acolyte really was a show that could have improved a lot with some tiny things like a little bit more time in the oven for certain scenes, maybe less company meddling, a little bit more B-roll in the episodes just to give them room to breathe ... And a season 2 could have easily delivered on that. I'm still ready to die on the hill that High or Old Republic have _so much potential_ for storytelling, you just need to _use_ it (like they did here) That cancellation is a shame.

[@MravacKid]

I disagree, the cancellation is a good thing because ideally it should show the studios they can't be lazy in the execution of their ideas. Having said that, I agree that people seem to be drawing the wrong conclusions about the cancellation (and the "fandom" latching on to all the wrong things) and of course the studios are too lazy to dig deeper and fix the actual problems but rather go for the easy solutions. TL;DR: Studios, get better writers (and other staff) for your interesting ideas, not safer ideas that don't take much effort to write.

[@MRDLT00]

4:38 Lucasfilm cancelled because it got low views for the massive budget they spent on it. Very simple.

[@Antony209]

Well it's Cancelled now, end of discussion.

[@RobertSpitzer]

They should have given it the budget of a CW show. I found it watchable, and didn't hate it, but I just found it fine.

[@CalvinGeorgeSisyphus]

Don't forget Firefly was cancelled after one season also. For the same reason, the executives were seeking affirmation from the wrong audience.

[@peterkottke2570]

I really loved Firefly. But... Too expensive and too low of ratings. So it was the same reason but not the one you're giving.

[@CalvinGeorgeSisyphus]

@@peterkottke2570 Firefly was not too expensive its cost was in line with series of the time. They got low ratings because the executives gave it a bad time slot and advertised it incorrectly. Sounds familiar ? Imagine cancelling a series only to come back years later and pay for a movie to be made. Same thing happen with Star Trek TOS.

[@rdkirk3834]

No, Firefly was killed on purpose...the senior executive flatly didn't want it to succeed.

[@quickhands7008]

I keep hearing that the acolyte had amazing new ideas but none of what that show was doing felt new beyond the fact that murdering people became a morally grey action as opposed to being obviously bad and wrong to do

[@isaiahsmith7123]

Exactly!

[@TERFStomper]

The Acolyte had some intriguing themes, but it just wasn't well-written. Character motives especially were neglected and some of the plot turns forced. The show could've been so much more.

[@RPG1118]

Human life is not perfection, asking for people being able to learn and grow just shows understanding of this

[@Nemo12417]

A big problem with the Acolyte is that the Jedi didn't persecute other Force users. Child Anakin was initially turned down, and they didn't want to jail him or use the ritual from KOTOR 2 to strip his powers. The Guardians of the Wills from Rogue One are distinct from the Jedi, but were left unmolested. And Ahsoka also wasn't stripped of her powers or jailed when she was expelled from the Order. The Jedi had their flaws, but this wasn't it.

[@grobanworldnews4216]

The writing and acting on this show were horrible. (The actor playing Master Sol was the exception.) People must have really low standards if they want more of this show. All the people calling for it to be "uncanceled" would not be willing to fork over $200 million to keep it going. So why do you expect Disney to burn through more money for such an awful show?

[@CodeNameX001]

What kills me is that Star Wars exists in a BIG galaxy, and there are so many amazing stories to be told. But thanks to a select few, not only can we never leave the Jedi hegemony, but if they had their way we'd never leave the Skywalker family.

[@TheShockedboy]

In the end people just want good stories, it's doesn't matter who's in them, so long as it fits the story. Every time I saw an interview for the show, they talked about stuff that had nothing to do with the story, it was more about them. If it sounds like you just out to stick it to the main stream, why would they watch? In the end you need them

[@asteven8]

I agree 1,000% with you. I only watched two episodes of The Acolyte so as a somewhat outsider it was interesting to watch the discourse around it, most notably KZbin reactors. I watch a number of reactors, many of whom I respect. It became apparent in watching their reactions that there was a discomfort around how the Jedi were portrayed. However, rather than sit or acknowledge that discomfort, I watched over time as many leaned into thinly-veiled racial microaggressions toward the Black and Asian actors. As a viewer from a marginalized community, it became hard to watch them. In fact, I've stopped watching some of my formerly favorite reactors because of the show. Prior to the show, I always thought they gave thoughtful, cogent reactions & reviews. The show revealed how people, when it comes to critiquing or presenting an alternative view of the things they love, how some folks will lean into multiple -isms and -phobias.

[@zombielizard218]

I think the Acolyte had some really bad pacing that just sort of shot itself in the foot, but there were good ideas. You know another bad product that had some good ideas that eventually drew people back in way after the fact on second consideration? The Star Wars prequels! if Star Wars isn't willing to take risks, there won't be Star Wars for much longer

[@enhydralutra]

I've never seen anybody talk about this phenomenon, but I'm sure I'm not the first to mention it. I call it the Hype Train to Disappointment. A media company wants to generate hype about their upcoming project, so they drip feed information about it. Content creators are incentivized to talk about the drip fed information because that's how they make money, but by its nature, the information is tiny and inconsequential. So to pad out the time, make it seem worth it for the audience to watch, and to create more content in the first place, they add all sorts of theories and sometimes even write out a whole plot for a show based on a single casting, or a sentence long piece of information. The fandom basks in these guesses, and eventually the most interesting things rise to the surface. The piece of media comes out and it's not anything like what the fandom guessed it would be, and so the fans are disappointed.

[@Quasimodo-mq8tw]

....really? Acolyte was for me the least inspired show of Star wars ever, maybe even worse then Ahsoka. The portrail of all Characters seem at best lazy or even mean spirited. Besides the lack in craftsmenship of Storytelling and Cinematics i found the themes pretty much uninspired copies of better ideas in the Expanded Universe/Legends and Fandom and besides everything...Why would you portrail the Jedis as force of corruption? Why can there be no group that strives for good even when they fail sometimes....why the hell had the moral of the story be "kill your "father"? " In Star Wars....Palpatine would be proud....😞

[@vadalia3860]

100% agree with your points about the Jedi. I'm tired of seeing the antagonist vs the Jedi written as being, like, two opposing armies that are equally flawed and not what it actually is- the army of a fascist regime/murder cult vs Doctors Without Borders... in space.

[@Quasimodo-mq8tw]

@@vadalia3860 Nice allorgy! 👍

[@ProdCritic]

Usually, I’d agree on this point (love the channel btw Jessie). But Andor being renewed having incredible critical reviews but low viewership gives me hope. Something being rewarded for being unique & of objective quality despite not being the most popular or (in Disney’s case) merchandise friendly.

[@svenkampen1647]

Andor was I think planned and greenlit for exactly two seasons from the getgo.

[@kadosho02]

Seeing a series expand, and explore more lore beyond what made it popular is risky, and rewarding. Seeing The Acolyte, and Discovery go beyond was incredible. Star Trek: Discovery went through many bumps in its journey. Five years. Star Wars: The Acolyte did its best, even with a limited series. One, just one. Sigh. Creativity, world building, and exploring the unknown is meant to come with risk. We take on a journey, if we love it, great. If not, ride it out, maybe things may change and keep you motivated until the end. Seeing The Acolyte cancelled, I looked beyond its missteps. I enjoyed the journey. Wish it was given another chance, it has so many more stories to tell Star Trek: Discovery. I watched every episode. From the first season, the last. What it accomplished, is something remarkable, and I hope more series have an opportunity to do more.

[@overgrowndweeb]

I dont blame Disney at all for not giving it a second season. It did poorly with audiences and gave no indication that a second season would do any better. Unlike andor, which also did poorly in viewership, but is generally very well liked by its audience. I don't know how this will fit in with identity politics going forward. I hope the lesson is that good representation doesn't help much if the show is bad. Id like to see more shows like arcane and spidervese, and less like acolyte and rings of power. I do think you should be able to make a bad show without getting harassed off the Internet. Its not the end of the world and nobody fing died. I also think you should be able to criticise a show with a diverse cast without being called a bigot. This whole situation turned into a toxic mess real fast, and the cast only added fuel to the fire.

[@socialkruption]

It's cancellation is a good sign if indeed people aren't watching it. It's how things work in this world, if people don't like the product then the product either fails or reinvents itself to be appealing.

[@ste-fa-no]

I'm sad, and angry. I signed the petition and asked for "The Acolyte Season 2" in Disney+ "leave a feedback" option. I don't know how much it's worth, but I seriously think that current series consumption is becoming every time worse. We used to have series with 20-24 episodes for season, even in shows like Lost. Now it's all 6-8 episodes and years to wait for that story to continue.. or have it cancelled incomplete. It happened to the creators of Dark with their second series for Netflix, 1899. We need to do something about this as consumers.

[@countzer0408]

Don’t ever forget that it’s called Show *Business*…