Star Wars: The Complete History of the Galaxy - Full Legends Timeline

[@CoreysDatapad]

Said Freedon Nadd went to Alderaan, but I meant Onderon.

[@attilathehun5067]

Okay I was confused, I thought "So there's a city of Iziz on Onderon and Alderaan?" It's cool that the Clone Wars took from that lore though.

[@jacensolo2918]

And after he died, he was entombed on Onderon’s moon, Dxun

[@Calamity4]

This will be good, keep up the amazing work

[@amysargent4237]

Hey Corey, notice how similar the beginnings of Star Wars, and Halo are to each other? Read my other comment for detail.

[@kevinvassago]

Amd meanwhile, porgs just be chillen on ach-to, in their own little world where none of this even matters

[@auroraofclanborealis]

I love how there's no intro, its just immediately into the lore

[@fluffly3606]

My main complaint with Legends lore is the continuation post-Endor of the cycle of Jedi-Sith conflicts in more or less the same form as ever, which I argue cheapens Anakin Skywalker's sacrifice more than the resurrection of Sidious ever could. The vast majority of Legends lore other than that is much more immersive and believable than current Disney canon.

[@MatthewLee-fo3me]

@@emzonik8851 I don't mind the idea of the Yuuzhan Vong. If Endor is the climax of the films, an extragalatic invasion is the climax to the whole Star Wars mythos. That said, I wish the Vong war was set a couple hundred years later than it is. Let Luke, Leia, and Han have their happy ending.

[@emzonik8851]

@@MatthewLee-fo3me I don't mind the concept either, it's actually amazing. However, while the Vong invasion itself wouldn't bother me if handled properly, its actual scale kinda does. Cos restoring balance to the Force by Anakin Skywalker IS the climax to all of star wars and should never be undermined by Expanded Universe stories. Nonetheless, I don't think YV arch actually does, it's simply dangerously close to doing that.

[@justinarzola4584]

​@@emzonik8851The Yuuzan Vong make sense as new enemies unlike the sith and empire who were supposed to be destroyed from Anakin's prophecy which was a problem i had with most post ROTJ stories in the EU.

[@desertfox6669]

Thats exactly why star wars legends is truly AMAZING

[@forcierlogan]

That’s why it’ll remain infinitely better than cannon for all of Star Wars’ legacy.

[@thomasshirley318]

Better. its better than Canon

[@kevinvassago]

This will always be canon

[@Ljordan093]

Damn right son!

[@bcskate3193]

@@kevinvassago agreed

[@AncestorEmpire1]

The only negative I can see is that the video is only around 20 minutes long. I honestly believe that a video like this could be over an hour long.

[@CoreysDatapad]

A video like this could be any length, and I could do multiple versions going.more in depth for different runtimes, but for a lot of people going over 20 minutes wouldn't be especially accessible so it seemed like a good place to start.

[@AncestorEmpire1]

@@CoreysDatapad I see.

[@allnamesaretakenful]

If it were an hour long, I wouldn't watch it.

[@hravandil9993]

@@CoreysDatapad I'd love a much longer version

[@Kolonol1]

@@allnamesaretakenful you would watch it and you would like it

[@Abtozzz1114]

Alternative title: the entire history of the star wars galaxy, I guess

[@AzraylPax]

Anyone else feel the new canon really messed up galactic history by saying the High Republic era was only approx 200 years BBY? The Old Republic was over 25,000 years old, how are they still just expanding in the universe a mere 200 years ago?

[@corruptangel6793]

They're following prequel movie only logic which states the Republic was founded only a thousand years prior, after the galactic war with the Sith. They're using that as the starting point for their Star Wars timeline I assume.

[@RevanMartinez]

Yeah they fucked up when they said when hyperspace travel was invented

[@digitalninja5941]

@@corruptangel6793 They kinda fixed that with the Darth Bane books by explaining the Old republic was gone after the new sith wars was ended and the new Galactic Republic was founded. Similar to legends when the new republic fell and the Galactic alliance was reformed from the remnants. But I don't follow the new Canon so I don't know and care what the high republic is I just know legends stuff.

[@corruptangel6793]

@@digitalninja5941 same.

[@ryancarrell3186]

@@RevanMartinez what? I don't think modern canon has established a fixed point for when Hyperspace was invented yet.

[@charlieo1138]

I know Eck was unhappy with the response to his brief history video but his and yours have both been tremendous!

[@rodolfohernandez2702]

Now that's why Star Wars Legends is better than the Cannon series

[@emzonik8851]

So called canon...

[@blaineishere3851]

This version of the galaxy had almost 40 years to build to this point. Give the new canon time. It’ll get up to this level of detail and possibly even more.

[@emzonik8851]

@@blaineishere3851 It doesn't mean they can't continue the old canon at the same time.

[@blaineishere3851]

@@emzonik8851 I didn’t say they shouldn’t.

[@luluflu1140]

@@blaineishere3851 The original Star Wars lore only had 23 years from 1991 to 2014 to really develop and grow to become a true continuity : "The premise of all the comic books, novels, games, and other spin-off works is that they all work chronologically, that the continuity forms one unbroken story. […] Since our movies have their own internal continuity, we maintain that in the spin-off works. Technically, George Lucas has been doing continuity all along by mapping out the nine films. But it wasn't until 1991, when Timothy Zahn wrote the novel Heir to the Empire, the first Star Wars best-seller, which was the beginning of what we call the Star Wars renaissance, that continuity became an issue." LUCASFILM CONTINUITY EDITOR ALLAN KAUSCH, 1996

[@geobroplayz]

Imagine we are just in a Star Wars galaxy just a very pre historic version

[@JM-vl3cy]

"A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" seems pretty explanatory to me

[@heavyarms55]

I just want to say, I came back to my computer to watch anime. But I saw this video and had to watch it first. Worth! Great content Corey! These videos just keep getting better!

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Anime, huh? What are you watching?

[@BillyForbes-h2r]

Love it. I mean, he did miss out the first rider's rebellion against the new republic, but I was really curious to find out why where in charge before the rakata and what happened after 100 ABY

[@knightonart8886]

Sometimes I wonder about the possibilities if Disney hadn't discontinued Legends. They could have continued telling stories hundreds and even thousands of years after the Skywalker's. The possibilities are truly endless.

[@emzonik8851]

I always thought Legacy happenes to close to the main story and the post - Endor events like NJO and LOTF, it would be better if it took place like 250 - 300 years or so later. And I'd love stories ser millenia into the furure.

[@keepmovingforward1722]

Disney should just release 90 minute films in the 2003 clone wars animation and title them “Star Wars Legends movies” It’s a win-win. Disney makes more money and they appease both fandoms.

[@hamshankscps1049]

One thing I've always wondered, is how the Hutts initially rose to power. They're essentially just giant slugs, I don't see them as being physically intimidating.

[@micahbannister1287]

Really hard to kill, even with blasters

[@nicholasricardo8443]

They're resistant to the force naturally, meaning that they have very strong wills and minds.

[@KaneSupremeleaderofNOD]

and they are huge and can move fast in bursts, thay also have a massive slave force and employ mercs

[@T4Eagle137]

If you haven't done one yet, it would be cool to see the history of Abeloth since she's also lived a few millennia in the Legends timeline.

[@emzonik8851]

Well the thing is, while she was far more powerfull being than any previous villan, she didn't impact the history of the galaxy on a scale Darth Sidious or even others like the ancient Sith, Rakata or tye Vong did. She was soley a Jedi opponent and caused some damage on coruscant for example, other tha that the galaxy continued to exist as it had been, nothing had changed. So in a summary video like this, that looks at the history of the entire galaxy, only the key events can be mentioned, like the Jedi-Sith wars, the Vong war and of course the rise and fall of the Galactic Empire.

[@Imstilltired511]

Yes!!! I agree!!

[@theenoogie]

What an overwhelming feat to have accomplished. I mean a whole timeline of the legends era, it’s bananas!

[@shadowulfhedinn8261]

Now this is world building! This was very cool, Corey

[@emilmedina5273]

Remember there are three canon timelines in Star Wars: The Lucas Canon: The original six movies. (Said by himself.) The Disney Canon: Everything disney has done from 2014 and on. The Legends Canon: Every story before 2014. The novels, Dark Horse comics, the games (old republic, The force unleashed, Jedi academy and so on.) Legends was kept alive by disney on disney plus, further alluding to the fact that legends is another timeline instead of "fanfiction" as people thought when it got decanonized. You can choose whichever, so choose wisely.... May the force be with you, always.

[@NerdyRomulanCyberman17]

And then there’s my canon, which is Legends Canon, Lucas Canon, and Rogue One. That’s what I choose to believe.

[@tysonwastaken]

​@@NerdyRomulanCyberman17rogue one tho???

[@Falkirion]

Fantastic work Corey. Would love a more detailed breakdown of each era if you have the time. I loved the Legends books and still read them occasionally

[@Jansenbaker]

I had no idea there were stories after Luke's family and the Yuzhan Vong War. And I didn't know they were a hundred years after. Also, I was under the impression that the bad time with Anakin Solo and Caidan happened before the Yuzhan Vong War. Interesting

[@maxizzda8011]

That was a really good summery for 20 mintes! One thing I thought was missing was the role of Vitiate/Valkorion for an entire millenium.

[@jacensolo2918]

Very comprehensive timeline. Very well done! Thanks for posting this!

[@corruptangel6793]

I gotta ask, how'd you feel about your biopic? I know they didn't use your real name, but did you think Kylo Ren did a good job? 🤣

[@ragingoaktree]

I like how he calls the Star Forge a “giant 3D Printer” lol

[@himwhoisnottobenamed5427]

A “giant 3D printer” powered by the Dark Side though. So your average SCP.

[@matthewmalovich64]

This makes me excited for the rumored “Old Republic” movie in the works. I love how vast the Star Wars timeline is

[@freddygarcia171]

Disney will fuck it up

[@JCDenton3]

Sadly it has nothing g to do with any of this. It's set Luke 200 years before episode 1. Also their version of a functioning republic is literally a socialist utopia, so expect a lot of clumsy, heavy handed political and economic preaching from the writers working for the mouse over a solid story.

[@Ifedude]

Excellent summation of decades of storytelling and worldbuilding! Hopefully the Legends universe will be allowed to continue beyond SWTOR, one day...

[@MrEvers]

I just want to know 3 things for my EU experience to feel wrapped up: 1. Zayne Carrick's fate during the Jedi civil war and following purge 2. Who sits on the Throne of Balance, what's Allana's destiny 3. The creation of the Fel Empire, how did Jagged become emperor, how is Jaina involved, creation of the Imperial Knights...

[@willthelemon5681]

I am always reminded how kind of nuts Legends is. I really only experienced a fraction of it in Jedi Academy and Outcast but sheesh love it. *Insert Disney bad here* I do wish the sequels had that sort of gumption to start moving away from the Skywalkers. If you read about the early version of Kylo Ren who was going to essentially be a sith grave robber which sounded epic to me but hey I won't beat a dead horse for too long. TLDR Legends was wild!

[@The_Borisaurus]

Awesome video, Cory. I love the overall summary of the Legends timeline. I hope you create more videos and put emphasis on how Legends takes a detour from 'canon!' You do a swell job as a Star Wars Historian.

[@raviamodernepic]

The Tales of the Jedi Dark Horse stuff was my favorite as a kid. Great recap!

[@nobod2567]

Getting back to learning about the legends universe gave me huge nostalgia

[@_lonath_]

underrated video Hope all these ''untold stories'' come in the form of TV Shows on Disney+

[@alexadeshigbin8129]

This is awesome, I learned so much in 20 minutes. Might have to rewatch it with a pen and pad to retain everything though

[@dragonhawkeclouse2264]

I have NEVER understood how there could be a with LEGEND of the tragedy of Darth Plagues the wise, if it had JUST happened That is NOT a "legend", nor even a story, that was a real event that had JUST happened Was Palpy merely trying to make it SOUND older than what it was?

[@МенМаатСет]

It is sad, that we did not find out about the events after 139 ABY.

[@JacenSolo0]

Great video I just searched for the star wars legends timeline and this came up !

[@StarWarsExpandedUniverse]

You forgot a short comic called "The Storyteller", which takes place in 2,000 ABY.

[@psychic9200]

Been wanting a video like this for awhile. Great work man

[@nickwhyman4815]

Sorry your vid got shafted by the algorithm. It’s a real banger.

[@markstevens7375]

Wow that left me wanting more.well done.

[@Geshiko-GuP]

100 thousand years in 21 minutes based

[@andrewbogard2411]

@8:54 44 BBY lol, im pretty sure he meant 4400 bby unless they used some kind of time machine

[@Martian2607]

I’ve been anticipating this video

[@ArcBing]

No "someguy Luke". Sad, but amazing video! Awesome stuff 🙂

[@nicholasgentzsch3182]

AMAZING. TRUELY AMAZING.

[@indymcconnell]

I hope we never let "Legends" disappear into obscurity. It's so much better than what Disney has concocted.

[@youALLadopted95]

Came here from Eckart’s Ladder. Great work!

[@darkslayer1161]

Same

[@bigorange2082]

This is what made me so angry with Disney erasing all of this. I grew up with this time line for 25 years just to be told by the mouse that it was crap and they could do better. They didn’t. Thank god Disney can’t erase the books and comics. We can still enjoy them.

[@CoreysDatapad]

Nothing was erased- it's all still as accessible as it ever was and it's even still in print. There's a difference between saying "it's all shot and we can do better" and saying "it's hard to make new movies that have to be fit within 40 years of predetermined stories." Lucasfilm was bought by Disney but it's largely still the same people doing the same things as before the buyout, down to some of the same authors. If it had never been bought and Lucas has made his own sequels it would have been a similar if not the same situation.

[@emzonik8851]

@@CoreysDatapad I must agree, however untill like the last year or 2 of his ownership of the franchise, George considered his story, whixh was the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker and the rise and fall of the Galactic Empire, as finished. He was pretty sure there'd be no sequel trilogy, only the Spinoffs, which were in fact in works. His idea for the sequels came with the financial issues, however again, because all those years he hadn't planed to make a sequel trilogy, it wasn't long before he came to the clonclusion that his nest course was to sell it all and retire. So with that in mind, it's no wonder that the EU wasn't designed to incorporate a sequel trilogy. It was possible to adapt it into new movies but as you said, it would've been a lot harder. The best scenario would have been, had George kept Lucasfilm but focused soley on spinoff material and the the sequels never been made (or had Disney chosen not to make episodes 7 - 9, which was pretty unlikely).

[@herodaresfire4512]

Just over nine minutes in, you said 44BBY instead of 4400 BBY. Minor slip of tongue, but then you said Nadd went Alderaan, when it was in fact Onderon.

[@acrazysheepdog1555]

Only 8k views despite this video nearing twenty five minutes? Such a shame man, it’s great!

[@chrisburns514]

You’re talking about Ajunta Pal and Marka Ragnos and I’m just here like yup, I’m a huge nerd, I have these names buried in memories lmao

[@jonathanward3633]

I love Legends, in a lot of ways prefer it to the Disney universe, but geez, the sith just keep coming back, I guess Anakin wasn't the chosen one!

[@corruptangel6793]

A lot of people created various forms of headcanon to explain that away. Like it only applied to the Rule of Two Sith specifically, or that he failed to fullfil his destiny alltogether. The headcanon I used played on Yoda's mention that they might have misread the prophesy and that the Chosen One wasn't a single person, but a bloodline. The Skywalker bloodline to be exact.

[@jonathanward3633]

@@corruptangel6793 those are all great ideas

[@Kolonol1]

I use my own head canon in which Disney wars sucks ass and legends never left lol

[@ThomasPetermann.]

great work mate loved the vid its sad that all of this lore got pushed away for the new crappy movies.

[@blaineishere3851]

Really excellent video!!!

[@thomasbrown6723]

Wish we were able to see more about the second galactic civil war or the later conflicts

[@HeroicAge616]

Great video :)

[@Ptaaruonn]

Amazing work.

[@notzac87]

As a sequel fan (minus episode 9) I appreciate how you make legends/EU content without insufferably complaining about the sequels for clout

[@stuartgrier5605]

Brilliant video

[@LifetimeTechnec]

Twist: the other humans of coruscant were nothing but ourselves and the new ones are a more advanced version of mankind that we created. Ot maybe the other humans were Neanderthals and we were the humans that won.

[@lordinvictus793]

Correction: the second galactic civil war ended in 41 ABY.

[@bigorange2082]

Awesome video. Thank you.

[@JonathanMonk21]

Man, the ancient history of the EU was very Dune-ish

[@nightraven2975]

Star Wars and Game of Thrones were heavily influenced by the old Dune books.

[@synthilein]

thank you so much for this video and especially the subtitles. i'm not a native english speaker...

[@Arthur__Morgan_]

Do an episode about what is on the other side of the space barrier, and what is outside of the known galaxy

[@laverniustucker8198]

First like, comment, and view. Keep up the good work and stay safe as always.

[@Vralr]

Thank you!

[@youALLadopted95]

Disney had all this inspiration but chose the Palpatine/Planet Killers route remakes… I’ve never seen episodes 8 or 9 and probably never will.

[@johnnygyro2295]

Eh, Palpatine coming back might've worked if we got an actual fight between him and Luke. As for the planet busters, maybe swap them out for the Eclipse and World Devastators?

[@RevanMartinez]

You aren't missing much.

[@JM-vl3cy]

Episode 8 is.. surprising (sometimes in a bad way, sometimes in a good way, least bad of the trilogy imo), episode 9 is an embarassing disaster. Not worth the watch, it's pretty clear the trilogy was improvised as the movies came out and Disney had no idea what 9 would be when they did 7. Very incompetent trilogy overall, and does not do much to expand the SW universe.

[@GRasputin91]

I wonder what's so special about the Battle of Yavin that it's the basis of the galactic calendar. What about using the formation of the Republic as the standard? The Sith wars of the past millennia seemed much more epic than the one depicted in the movies

[@InsertNameHere73894]

Replace the Sequels with Legends lore. This is the way.

[@chronicdose]

Very interesting video!

[@TETASARAIVACS]

Imagine if two years from now George Lucas announces he’ll make a new “Episode VII”, totally ignoring the Disney sh*t, with no “Rey” and with a true Luke! 😊

[@nightraven2975]

The actors are too old. If he had made them around the same time as the prequels, then it might have worked.

[@dorvalaguiar1536]

11:03 is that s a game? if yes, what is the name?

[@CoreysDatapad]

No, it's an animation

[@dorvalaguiar1536]

@@CoreysDatapad so what's the name of the animation?

[@CoreysDatapad]

It doesn't have a name, it's my own footage that I made for a breakdown of the Inexpugnable here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGnXl5aFfZ2pbqs

[@DJBV]

Star wars legends>>>>>disney star wars

[@squirrel6675]

I love how the Star Wars galaxy emerged and got life only a couple hundred thousand years before is became so advanced their was almost nothing left to advance and that civilization will get lost and be more advanced than anything but in real life it would take millions of year

[@Bolek1991]

It would be great if you could inculde subtitles. Auto generated CC do not hand all the names correctly. I would like to present this video to some of my colleagues who are not as much familair with Legends. I know that with subtitles it will be easier for them to understand it. Great video.

[@Bolek1991]

BTW 7:10 where is this art from?

[@infinitecanadian]

Isn't the guy at 20:07 an Imperial warlord?

[@CoreysDatapad]

Nah, that's Roan Fel, though I've always assumed he was made using a similar reference as Ardus Kaine

[@obi-wankenobi2042]

You forget the scourge of malachor in 3566.

[@pattanakit]

i wish this was taught in school.

[@Hikmetihalide]

Great work Corey, I admire you. I believe this is not the official canon, but original canon ( or timeline ) before Disney took place. Any idea why they changed the canon and how they changed it? I would appreciate if you could elaborate it in another extended video, and what Disney changed in the history of Star Wars originals.

[@emzonik8851]

Back in the EU days George's saga wasn't meant to be continued after the prequels. The saga was about Anakin Skywalker and how he changed the galaxy, once Anakin died the main story ended. Spinoff movies and shows were expected but no sequel trilogy. Thus the EU writers were free to, well, expand the universe as much as they could, they told many story archs like the continuation of the timeline beyond Return Of The Jedi, including how Luke restarted the Jedi Order and what new threats did it have to face, like the Yuuzhan Vong or Jacen Solo's fall to the Dark Side. These stories were jot of course the vision of George Lucas, he did aproove them (and yeah they were officially canon), but he obviously cared mostly about his story, the one which was already finished. Closer ro the end of his ownership of Lucasfilm, George did think about a sequel trilogy (which would've contradicted the EU) for financial reasons but he chose to retire and sell SW to instead. Disney on the other hand wanted to make as many movies and shows as possible, they wanted to create their own version of Star Wars, their own continuation of the Big 3's adventures. Yet the EU was so huge and comprehensive (and wasn't in line with what they wanted to do - basically bring back the well known themes that the mass would buy), they decided to basically restart the continuity, leaving only Episodes 1-6 and TCW as a base for new stories, mostly movies and TV shows but also new novels comics and cideo games that would be in line with the new timeline. The EU material was rebranded into Legends, a separate universe also built around the same story of Anakin Skywalker, though unfortunately Disney wanted and still wants everyone ro focus on their story, so they prevenyed Legends from being continued or advertised on any large scale and new fans don't even know what Legends really is. Anyway, that's how the New Canon began. The official reason for its creation was "creative freedom", however they basically did it to pick and choose what they like from the old canon and reshape it the way that matched their agenda. Nonetheless, the EU wasn't really designed for a sequel trilogy. To keep it all in one universe, the sequel movies would have to adapt the EU, which was possible but quite unlikely. So this is I think enough to understand why and how they split the continuities.

[@Hikmetihalide]

​@@emzonik8851 thanks. The EU has a massive and unlimited storyline comparing to the Disney's official canon. The books, comics, games has told a lot already. The beginning of the universe, and sentients,the Jedii order is much more interesting than any other commercial stuff. Wish Lucas had a chance to dig in to that story independently.

[@RevanMartinez]

Ah, the True Star Wars Canon .

[@alexgaelsotorodriguez3870]

After the Vong invasion things just stop making sense

[@kirkbolas4985]

No mention of Pius Dea?

[@CoreysDatapad]

6:33 - 7:03

[@tracieramson9151]

Here is How it should Go... BBY = Before Baby Yoda and ABY = After Baby Yoda

[@starwars90001]

The Star Wars movies become footnotes in the universe they created in legends, in the grand scale of it all Luke destorying the Death Star almost becomes meaningless.

[@starwars90001]

@@papapalps2415 What?

[@ImTheReverse]

@@starwars90001 He’s saying you always give incredibly hot takes.

[@eds1942]

It’s one of the more Inportant aspects of the unquestionably canon movie era. Though it’s not as big of factor in either the old Legends continuity and nor the new canon on the larger scale, which makes some sense being the galactic history stretches back at least a thousand generations.

[@starwars90001]

@@eds1942 That's what I mean, in the grand scale of Star Wars not just the movie era, the events of the movies almost feel small.

[@thedatatreader]

The movies didn't have the budget for a World Devestator type scene, and the books had to keep on-upping past a planet destroying device and subsequently past each previous novel's stakes until we end up with galaxy ending devices in the Infinite Empire timelines. The novels created some incredible scenarios that I'm glad exist, but the movies started the entire process. I would also hardly say the original trilogy was a footnote, since they ended the tyrannical subjugation of the entire galaxy by the Empire which I don't think was matched except by the Yuuzan Vong or perhaps the Rakata.

[@barretoleandroariel]

I love that in Spanish speaking countries we say La Guerra de las Galaxias which means Galaxies Wars in plural while all the setting is beneath one galaxy

[@RobertAyala-c4o]

It's because wars is plural so you have to change the galaxy modifier right?

[@scoobyrds]

It’s very funny when a new section starts and you realize “Ah. This was one of the bad novels”

[@Jedi_Spartan]

Why didn't KZbin bother notifyi me of this?

[@suttonw]

I wish Disney would’ve continued with the old canon

[@nightraven2975]

Disney can always import material from Legends into the canon stories. Which they are slowly doing.

[@kanalkucker14]

Well, that was a kind of journey 😍

[@alexgaelsotorodriguez3870]

Goooooooooooooooooooooood

[@wolfi4458]

Its weird that they build Gigantic Starships with Laserguns, but fight with Spears

[@GrandMoffOfMars]

order 66 in the Canon timeline actually didn't happen. I'm convinced at this point. so many survivors now. some we even saw die on camera are coming back now thanks to Disney sparkly magic

[@nightraven2975]

Yeah? Like who?

[@GrandMoffOfMars]

@@nightraven2975 Ayla secura and shaak ti (again)

[@nuancedhistory]

Honestly you glossed over the SWTOR era WAAAAAAAAAAY too much. And how are you gonna talk about the Mandalorian Wars and the fall of Malak and Revan without mentioning the Jedi Covenant, which was a major factor leading to the Jedi Civil War (if not technically its first conflict in some ways). And the glossing over of Legacy too. Not going to mention how Krayt was slain by a Jedi Shadow from the era of the Mandalorian Wars fulfilling a 4000 year old prophecy?

[@CoreysDatapad]

So what that I covered do you cut in favour of going into more depth in those eras? The point is to give a broad level overview, and the thing about TOR is it has like 0 implications for how stuff for after it so going into more depth there compared to the emergence of the Sith in the first place doesn't make much sense. You could make the same comment about pretty much any era but the the video easily gets over an hour.

[@nuancedhistory]

@@CoreysDatapad I mean I get your point, but SWTOR actually does get kind of impactful. When we're talking material from the very end of the EU (2011-2014) stuff from SWTOR starts to get brought in elsewhere and as the only ongoing part of EU storytelling, it's technically hard to ignore. And when I say "mention" I usually mean one short sentence or phrase, not elaborating on it in-depth.

[@jonathanryan9946]

@@CoreysDatapad Basically everything from 17:18 on had no impact either, heck arguably less so than SWTOR and what minor things that did happen were just copy/pastings of better stories. It's just a few minor events that the bulk of the Galaxy barely noticed, excluding Darth Krayt. Caedus went out like a wet fart really only setting some trees on fire and Abeloth only really killed some Sith the Galaxy didn't know were there anyways (really just being a blame shadow war). You nearly spent more time on the Killiks (who again were more a potential threat than a real one) than the Yuuzhan Vong who killed more people than every other war combined. Further Denningverse is arguably just a terrible retconning of Zahn's books (destroying Mara Jade's characterization and the dangers in the Unknown regions Zahn had painstakingly set up) while also ignoring all the character development in NJO. It's a terrible retconning of far better stories, that was terribly executed, utterly mishandled Luke's Jedi Order basically making them nearly Sith themselves. All of Denningverse really deserves to be shuffled into Infinities. After about 2005 to 2008, Legends really stopped caring about continuity, just letting their authors do whatever the heck they wanted. This is Denningverse, SWTOR, and TCW. These stories really shouldn't be part of Legends proper timeline. Yeah, a few authors did care, Zahn obviously connected his books and James Luciano was a continuity superbuff (even he basically had Han in Millennium Falcon basically say for him that he had no idea wtf happened after NJO)... but most other things basically gave continuity the middle finger. At least beyond affecting Kotor 2 and Revan, SWTOR didn't affect much but Denningverse basically threw gasoline on all the prior books and then had its authors all on different pages working against each other. Characters radically shifted motivations and personalities from one book to the next.

[@goodmind4940]

@@jonathanryan9946 hard to care about continuity when Filoni is allowed to do whatever he wants

[@jonathanryan9946]

@@goodmind4940 I mentioned TCW as another example of not caring about continuity too... its basically a case of the 3 major things coming out after 2005 not caring about any continuity but their own.

[@amysargent4237]

Doesn't anyone think that Star Wars' in-universe origin story is similar to the in-universe origin story of Halo? Think about it, A Precursor-like race called The Celestials ruled the galaxy before anyone else did, bringing civilization to many worlds, and building many structures, similar to The Megastructures that The Precursors possibly made. Then, another, more evil race (Rakata/Forerunners) usurped them to rule the galaxy as their own, building HUGE Structures (Star Forge/Halo Rings, and other Forerunner Structures) to further rule the galaxy. Then, a disease/plague (The Rakata Plague/The Flood) destroys THEM in return, leaving only their legacy, and creations behind for discovery, and use by future civilizations, and the galaxy in question (eventually) comes to be ruled (essentially) by Humanity. Isn't that more than just coincidence?

[@DanielA-no9xv]

Legends is better than Canon I wish that Disney never bought Lucasfilm

[@ianmessiter5564]

Noooooiiiiiiiiiice

[@lynngreen7978]

A piece of head canon. After the Je'daii civil war, the Ashla fled to Ossus in the outer rim. But the Bogan disappear from history. I suggest that they used an Infinity Gate and travelled to a distant galaxy under the leadership of Yuuzhan. Like the Rakata, they would go so deep into the Dark Side, that the Force rejected them. But they adapted Alchemy into Biotechnology. And eventually, they returned - with a hatred for the Jeedai.

[@corruptangel6793]

The reason given for the Vong being rejected by the Force (if I remember correctly) was the sheer level of destruction they caused. They literally killed their galaxy due to their warmongering habits. Though the idea of them using the dark side to do so is possible. It is afterall what could all too easily happen if the Sith went unchecked. The Rakata were also causing vast levels of destruction, and are confirmed to have been abusing the Force to unimaginable levels, which is implied to be why they were losing their connection to it. But I'm pretty sure it was mentioned (or at least it's been implied) that a virus, a bioweapon, is what ultimately severed their connection to the Force. Then, only a few Rakata, in much much later generations, would regain some faint connection to the Force before their race ultimately died out on Lehon following the events of KOTOR.

[@Kolonol1]

@@corruptangel6793 you mean Lehon?

[@corruptangel6793]

@@Kolonol1 yeah 😅

[@tgifella]

i thought there was a lot more before humans were even in the conversation-

[@danielhoyt4134]

Now we know why they call it Star WARS.

[@gameactual]

Eckhart sent me. 😎👍