Star Wars & Warhammer 40K- Ships Size Comparison

[@drgonzo305]

Star Wars vessels aren’t even equipped for broadsides and ramming?! They’d pose little threat

[@ankoe0803]

They have a firing spectrum over almost the entire sphere, excluding the stern, and then not in all cases.

[@federicoleoni8342]

@@ankoe0803they’re weapons have ranges of some dozens of kilometers at most while 40k ships start engaging at hundreds of thousands of kilometers

[@ankoe0803]

@@federicoleoni8342 This is the effective sighting range at which at most it makes sense to engage. The turbolasers' charges don't run out anywhere while the rest of the light hours are flying.

[@covenant_05]

During ship to ship battle between Star Wars and the Imperium. The Star Wars admirals/commanders will pretty much have the same reaction the Tau did when they encountered the Imperium. Which is literally a Tau commander going "What the fuck?" There will be no fancy maneuvering, no 10 steps ahead battle plans. Just an Imperium ship broadsiding a Empire-ship that's closest to broadside distance. If they open communications they would probably hear a Commissar screaming into the vox "Drive me closer, I want to hit it with my sword"

[@ankoe0803]

@@covenant_05 An evasive maneuver in the form of a short jump through hyperspace upside down directly above the Imperium ship where its main guns are not. And the Star Destroyer's main guns, turbolasers whose shot is about the size of a tactical nuclear blast, are here.

[@thorshammer7883]

I will forever be convicted to call Star Wars Expanded Universe the true canon. As far as I am concerned about Disney Star Wars never existed. It is the heart, blood, and spirit of what Star Wars originally was and the 90s authors like Timothy Zahn were faithful and good writers who shall forever have my respect and high regard for what they gave us in the 1990s and 2000s. Before the evil times and wicked people came.

[@petervizzini4006]

I personally only like some of the ship designs from Disney and that's it

[@thorshammer7883]

@@petervizzini4006 Your point?

[@AeronHale]

I'm fairly sure this is the generally held sentiment among Starwars fans. Disney "Starwars" is an insult to everything that has been built up over the decades and everyone involved with creating the expanded universe.

[@velstadtvonausterlitz2338]

Don't care. Starwars is garbage!

[@thorshammer7883]

@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 If you don't care then why did you comment to begin with on a comment that pays respect to the Expanded Universe of Star Wars? That would indicate that you do care about the subject.

[@BeatmasterAC]

meanwhile Orks: * slap an Engine on a Moon and due to their Power of Imagination it becomes an Attack Moon, that Travels through Real Space and the Warp *

[@DarthNihilus_SW]

As much as I hate the sequel, Starkiller base, a planet that was just hollowed out and slapped a planet killing laser on it

[@BeatmasterAC]

@@DarthNihilus_SW so, the Orks secretly worked on it XD

[@DarthNihilus_SW]

@@BeatmasterAC sure…😒

[@spooky_lxix9042]

ork was hired to build it and paid by teeth

[@jiyuhong5853]

don't forget the massive chaos void fortress

[@yoelchristian6332]

Nahh, its just something that came out from the warp and considered to be metaphysics than physical structures since Sanguinius with a couple swing from his sword manage to destroy the entire fortresses.

[@DarthNihilus_SW]

Or Star wars’ star forge

[@mpnuorva]

I'm half convinced Legends worldbuilding was done by people rejected from GW/Black Library for thinking too small. Star Wars ships are ridiculously large for what they are supposed to be (CR90 has crew complement around 6-8 times of a modern corvette) but not as absurdly big as 40k's.

[@thorshammer7883]

I doubt people like Timothy Zahn had any contact with GW while he was writing the Thrawn Trilogy.

[@VunderGuy]

Rejected from Black Library? More like Black Library was for rejects from basically everywhere.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@VunderGuy Black Library has such a lack of quality control that they don't even have a canon.

[@ayshazafar2006]

​@@VunderGuyWatch it dude, go read some older 40k books and then talk again

[@mix-up9003]

Wait Star killer base was only 660 Km!? How could it even hold an natural atmosphere on it's own before being converted into a planet killer?

[@HolyknightVader999]

The base itself is 660 km. The planet is 5,870 km across.

[@mix-up9003]

@@HolyknightVader999 Okay thanks for the clarification

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@mix-up9003 No problem. If you have other questions about SW materials, I'm your man.

[@nikkotan2840]

​@@HolyknightVader999 Starkiller Base was slightly smaller than our moon, which has a diameter of 3,474 km. The question is, why did it have an atmosphere? The answer is simple: When asteroids, planetoids, and planets reach a certain size and mass, their gravity can hold and trap different kinds of gases. With the help of their molten core, geologic processes are created, giving birth to volcanoes and a magnetic field. These factors together lead to the development of an atmosphere. The only scientific and logical reason why our Earth's moon has no atmosphere is that it lacks the mass and gravity to form one. Additionally, the moon lacks the geologic processes required to produce volcanoes, gases, air pressure, and a magnetic field to contain an atmosphere. A good example of moons with active geologic processes and a strong magnetic field is Titan and Pandora in the film AVATAR. These moons have enough gravity and mass to hold a thick, breathable atmosphere.

[@LSSD1292]

Lore wise starkiller base was built on planet illum, hence the atmosphere

[@nikkotan2840]

In Star Wars, there are indeed massive ships, stations, and structures, both ancient and new. However, when you compare the scale to Warhammer 40K, it's on a whole other level. In 40K, we're not just talking about one or two gigantic constructs, but a multitude that are even mass-produced, spanning both ancient and new designs. Even the most infamous Star Wars constructs, like Death Star 1 and 2, Starkiller Base, and the Centerpoint Station, don't even come close to the colossal structures in 40K. These structures aren't just large; they are incredibly durable and strong, capable of cracking a planet upon impact. For instance, a Blackstone Fortress, an ancient station made of hyper-advanced metal and black stone, which is half the size of Earth's moon Luna, was dropped onto the planet Cadia, a military fortress world of the Imperium of Mankind, and caused it to crack. Additionally, the Necrons, an ancient race, built numerous planet-sized mobile stations and planet-killing machines known as World Engines. The leader of the Necrons even constructed a larger ship-like structure containing a cache of their knowledge, history, and downfall - essentially serving as a mausoleum and museum of their race, as well as his personal ship.

[@nova4a943]

Macrage honor, there is only a single copy of the mayor of ultramarines, and the ships of the Glorian class themselves are a little

[@nikkotan2840]

@@nova4a943 Exactly, also its the biggest ship of its class 26km compared to other Gloria Class standard size of 20km, like it's 1000km longer than that of the Executor Class and like the Executor Class which is 4km longer than the standard 15km Executor Class the Macragge's Honour and Executor was made to be a personal Flagship a 1 of the kind of it's class.

[@skalgrimfellaxe5796]

@@nikkotan2840 There were about 25+ Glorianas that we know of, but most of them were larger than 20km and only two were smaller.

[@nikkotan2840]

@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 True most Gloriana Class were larger but the standard original length when it first came out from Mars was 20km some were later modified through the millennium from the First Crusade until now, and those modifications give rise to bigger height, larger hulls, and taller lengths along with the improvements of its offense and defense as well as the added armor upgrade made by the Mechanicum for the past 11 thousand years. As you already know Gloriana Class is already a lost technology for the current Imperium of Mankind and the only way to keep this ancient ship is to constantly enhance and upgrade them to meet the criteria of the current battlefield of the 42nd Millenium.

[@skalgrimfellaxe5796]

@@nikkotan2840 ah, but thats also a misconception, Glorianas are not standardized even from the start. Some that were built at the same ship yard were pretty much copies, like the Vengeful Spirit and its sistership the Harbinger of Doom (built at Mars for the Luna Wolves) , while others, like the Shadow of the Emperor (Raven Guard) or the Flamewrought (Salamanders) were built very differently from the start. The Imperium "can" build ships like them, the issue is rather that in 40k its no longer possible to build the massive generators and reactors needed for optimum efficiency at the same ship yard. The forge worlds have become specialized and hoard their knowledge so the combined knowledge needed to produce every critical component for a massive ship like a Gloriana can no longer be found in just one spot. There is also less of a need for such vessels as the legions are shattered. Under the supervision of Cawl and order of either a high lord or a primarch Im sure they could still create new Glorianas. They would just have to strong arm the Mechanicus pretty hard to do it.

[@lightnihilus]

I love Starwars Legends. Especially the Expanded Universe. Don't forget the Prototype Death Star, the Ecplise 2, (The Devastion CIS superweapon its almost twice the size of the Meleverance). Theirs also the Sovereign Class SSD , Star Forge, (World Devastators can self upgrade and increase in size. While creating Fleets of itself.)

[@siegmund2000]

The most ridiculous thing about the speranza isn't even it's size, rather it's weaponry. Thoose main canons (I guess they are the main canons) do not look really but in reality they are about the size of state of Connecticut (at least)... Even the avarage 40k ship is firing shells and torpedos the size of trucks if not your house. What is the Speranza firing? A town? The explosive equivalent of a small city?

[@magos_dalunawolf8166]

I’ve read the forges of mars books and those cannons have old age of tech stuff. It stomped the eldar ships attacking it by shooting singularities at them and it was only one of them firing at the eldar.

[@alxxz]

Well I suppose those frontal main guns fire energy based particle beams similar to the planet destroying energy weapons we see in sci-fi, rather than physical projectiles. So there's that.

[@quocbaole467]

well if i have to said it main cannon was comparison with the black stone fortress that capable of killing god the weapon was a star destroyer and dont forget it have huge amount of armament that capable of create black hole even the eldarim fear human with this kind of aspect , in their golden age humanity with their destruction technologies never have a damn xeno scum waging a total war only some minor skirmish was erupt in neutral zone even the ork and eldarim the most ignorant species that was guide and prosper with the help of their god dont try to provoke humanity (human the most fearless species stood with their own 2 feet having no god backing them but advance to the level that rival other super power civilization ) there was a sentence said that eldarim was ready to go for an all out war with human but didnt expect that the human did a move no one could have they littery warp their entire solar system near the eldarim border that shock all of them and that why they sign the non aggressive treaty

[@Thecommentator-hc1fz]

@@alxxzNo. They are singularity canon creating space and time vortex like black holes.

[@alxxz]

@@Thecommentator-hc1fz Well I guess its engineers wanted to be sure that the enemies of the Imperium would have a really bad day when encountering the Speranza!

[@quocbaole467]

for any one whose dont know how advance humanity in 40k when they was at it peak then the speranza was an example this kind of ship was being mass product at that time and they was deadly as hell if not because of the men of iron they the human would likely be much more advance than the necron was

[@nobrain3282]

The Imperium of Man has the stronger Emperor, Psyker and the stronger fleet. The Emperor Protects!

[@HolyknightVader999]

Not true. The Eldar far surpass his fleet by a longshot. Also, Palpatine came back from the dead on his own and zapped an entire fleet. The Emperor of Mankind can't do that. Not to mention Palpatine had a whole fleet of planet killers. Abaddon only had one.

[@nobrain3282]

@@HolyknightVader999 The Emperor of mankind has done more powerful things like destroying a fleet or to hose the death itself 😅.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@nobrain3282 Palpatine destroyed entire fleets with Force storms and can respawn with clone bodies.

[@nobrain3282]

@@HolyknightVader999 This is what Psyker can do, and a soultransplantation/wandering to another body...a lot of people in 40k do this, it is nothing special. The Adeptus Mechanicus can do it with technical equipment, and Alpha-Psyker do it with their powers...they can awaken the dead too.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@nobrain3282 Yet they cannot revive the Emperor, whereas Palpatine came back using clone bodies.

[@TheCanuckCanadain]

Starwars with clones could totally have a faction in Warhammer 40k. But i sense that it would not go well if any of the faction actually took them seriously

[@stephenjames2159]

Actually I gotta disagree. Post Vong Empire is significantly deadlier than Clone Was Republic. Sure physically the clones are better but when you start giving your guys power armor, training a corps of grey jedi and invent technology that can destroy stars using a 13.5 m ship who needs sexy space boys. Also Although they are smaller Empire ships have a significant technical and technological edge that simply can't be ignored, not unlike the Tou.

[@DarthNihilus_SW]

@@stephenjames2159FOR THE REPUBLIC!!!! Just saying if we are to bring the republic into 40k Characters from the jedi order, like anakin, and eventually leading up to OP characters like Dark Dimension Vader or Lord Starkiller, hell even Grand Master Luke, would pose a massive threat to the imperium

[@nihluxler1890]

There are some sources referring death star II as being around 900kms in diameter, and the eclipse was originally imagined as twice the length of the executor or 38kms.

[@HolyknightVader999]

Something's wrong. Starkiller Base is an entire planet, the Speranza is only the size of a continent. So the former should be larger than the latter. Especially since Ilum's diameter is 5,870 kilometers.

[@phantomwraith1984]

Starkiller base is the planet of Ilum which is only 660km across. It's smaller than pluto

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@phantomwraith1984 Ilum's diameter is 5,870 KM.

[@romancd]

@@HolyknightVader999 In legends it's 5,870km but in canon where the starkiller base exists it's 660km

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@romancd That's just for the firing mechanism.

[@farasmardianto8409]

and is star killer a ship i thought it was just some kind of base that can fire very far unlike deathstar that must position first before they fire.

[@RoboticPope]

Nice bit of reverse parking by the Eclipse there ;-)

[@stinville]

I never realized a Dauntless is longer then a Lucrehulk until now. I played empire at war and battlefleet gothic 2 but man this gives me a new prospective of things.

[@pumpkinhead4117]

I see it as a tie but with the death stars its a Definite tie with out the death stars The Imperium Wins all day long

[@Камок-ы7]

the very Orcs who sometimes remake planets for their ships to ram

[@zeehero7280]

the Speranza would be more believable if it was a bit less LONG and didn't have a cannon the size of texas in the front.

[@SampoPaalanen]

To be fair WH40k can rely on being mostly a written format, while Star Wars is mostly a visual format so you can make massive ships in Warhammer much more easily as you make vague descriptions that very hard to put into actual specific size, while with Star Wars you typically have something near to compare the ship to.

[@STARGUN8687]

Why is the most obscure sci-fi fantasy has to be believable?)

[@archongaur1191]

its not suppose to be believable from modern day perspective--- its mythical ancient super ship Ark Mechanicus filled with GOD level technology... not to mention there are other scifi IPs with much bigger super structures and ships than anything in w40k or star wars.... this is not suppose to be hard scifi you know?

[@phantomwraith1984]

It's about the same size as a craft world

[@STARGUN8687]

@@phantomwraith1984 and not just a smallest Craftworld either. I

[@djashovel]

I miss a lot of the ships from legends Star wars ships where a lot bigger

[@DarthNihilus_SW]

Hehehehe star forge

[@vaevictis6990]

Remember the scale of 40k is insane. Those destroyer at under 1000m are the DISPOSABLE escorts, but they are in the same weight class as a pocket star destroyer

[@HolyknightVader999]

Not really. Their macrocannons are at the kiloton level, whereas even an Acclamator that's 700 meters long have turbolasers in the gigaton level.

[@vaevictis6990]

@HolyknightVader999 oh I agree, Acclamator wins vs Sword Class. But that's the point. They are in same WEIGHT class, but 40k considers as disposable a frigate/destroyer, but in Star Wars it's a valuable cruiser.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@vaevictis6990 Nope. SW ships have a lighter weight class but a higher firepower class. The most common Macrocannon is the Mark VI Mars-Pattern Macrocannon which is in the kiloton range. At most, lance batteries and Nova Cannons are a thousand times stronger than that in the megaton range. Turbolasers are canonically stated and shown in both Disney and Legends canon to be in the gigaton range, and even in the earliest lore books and comics, Imperial warships can glass planets with turbolasers; they don't need cyclonic torpedoes to do it.

[@vaevictis6990]

@HolyknightVader999 WEIGHT not power. Weight is just tonnage, not a measure of weapons

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@vaevictis6990 Power is where it matters. A smaller ship with a higher firepower rate is better than a larger ship that has less firepower.

[@KrautGoesWild]

Me: "Ever since I watched _The Empire Strikes Back_ as a kid I live by the motto that a starship can't be too big, too heavily armed or too cool-looking." ☝😀 Warhammer 40K: "Hold my amasec!" Star Wars: "Hold my Ruby Bliel!" Me: 😊

[@82nd_Alpharius]

Bro, so Phalanx is literally the entire continent of Australia floating in space 🤯

[@thorshammer7883]

If you thought those were large. You were right however there are some mods for Stellaris called Gigastructural Engineering and Ancient Cache of Technologies that may surprise you even more with how giant the tera structures are. You thought building Dyson spheres were extreme? Nope. Try Birch worlds, solar system sized Gigastructures, Systemcraft, and the one and only Gargantuan Quasarcraft. A vessel so big and powerful it one shots even the Stellarborne. But wait there's more Stellaris isn't the only game alone. There's a game called Star Ruler which many do not know about but from what I seen in extreme cases you can bulid ships so astronomically large they can surpass even a galaxy. It makes you feel like you are a extra galactic power house on par with a faction from Xeelee Sequence. Yep now that's one the biggest.

[@voomvoom4522]

K but that's a random mod. It's the equivalent of winning because you have an everything-proof shield.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@voomvoom4522 I wouldn't say random. The mods are pretty good with their own stories and designs of ships. Besides I mentioned another game Star Ruler which isn't a mod.

[@velstadtvonausterlitz2338]

No one reads the xelee sequence. It's considered garbage in the sci-fi community.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 Is that going to stop me from talking about it? No.

[@DarthNihilus_SW]

Star forge lol

[@davigustavo5286]

Eu torço para star Wars.

[@boots_onthe_ground]

A space marine chapter vs the Jedi order

[@HolyknightVader999]

That won't even last long. 1000 Space Marines won't be enough to conquer Nar Shaddaa, let alone the whole Jedi order.

[@nobrain3282]

A job for the Grey Knights, no chance for the Jedi.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@nobrain3282 Not really. The Jedi would easily sense them and slice them into pieces. Also, the Jedi have Force speed.

[@URKCEHinoSuu]

Make it a legion, then it would be fair. 1k can't take on the entire order. Or just send the black templars. They don't follow the codex 😂 7, 8k of them or even the space wolves.

[@nobrain3282]

@@HolyknightVader999 The Jedi are low-tier Psyker, their abilities and powers are called lesser psycic powers in 40K. An Astropath or Primaris Psyker is much more powerful as a Jedi-Master. They can alter the reality with their powers, not only manipulate it.

[@Brothelm]

Star Wars has no chance against Warhammer 40 K

[@Silrk246813]

Kinda. Star wars fleets tend to be VERY small, but the jump speed, shields and lazers are vastly better.

[@Bronasaxon]

Depends on which lore for SW and if we are talking 40k pre-or post Indomitus crusade. SW legends just before Endor or in an AU were the Empire wins at Endor vs pre-Indomitus crusade IoM; I think the Empire has a fighting chance, due to having better communications, faster FTL, research and development and shipbuilding. Especially if we go for a more ‘natural’ first contact, where the IoM’s slow and imprecise communications and FTL work against them and the Empire’s advantages in those areas allow them to scout on the IoM for years, if not decades. As this will allow them to gather intelligence and build up their forces further. When it comes to ground forces, the Empire can counter the IoM’s greater numbers by increased recruitment, Spartari cloning cylinders and droids. The only issue I can see would be the the Empire isn’t the best when it comes to tank designs, but those can be fixed. Likewise, titans and knights, while a threat can be countered via massed conventional heavy weapons and new anti-Titan vehicles (basically, think the SW version of tank destroyers). Additionally, SW has more accurate orbital bombardments, which would make the titans massive targets from space. As for the SPESS MARINES…putting aside the issues the IoM often has with getting them to properly coordinate with the rest of the military and not going off to do their own agenda…I would direct your attention to the Phase 4 and 5 Dark Troopers. While they wouldn’t be quite the match for a Space Marine in combat, they would be within sneezing distance and most importantly, the Empire can make them more easily and quicker then the IoM can make Space Marines. Assuming the GE doesn’t just jump the sun crusher into the Sol system and make the sun go supernova and take out the heart of the IoM in one shot.

[@Brothelm]

a single a wing could take down an unshielded executor.....take a similliar sized wh40k ship unshielded ...not 100 a wings could do a scratch....SW ships are so squishy....wh40k vessels would just ram everything....

[@Anonymous_glitch]

​@@Silrk246813you happen to be wrong in one vital way, you only think of the empire within star wars, and specifically, you only mean the galaxy empire. Search up the star forge, which is comparable to a star in size and has the ability of creating fleets in the hundreds of thousands of ships in a matter of days, and this includes giant capital ships within a fleet

[@Leonard38838]

What is preventing the speranza from collapsing into a sphere under its own gravity

[@kazuares7212]

Insane Technology? Speranza is most advanced ship we saw to date in warhammer 40k. It is capable of firing black holes and even rewinding time on enemy so you cannot miss and these are not most advanced weapons it has. From what i remember it has Hypometric weapons on it too.

[@DarthNihilus_SW]

⁠@@kazuares7212its the size of a continent, the deathstar was able to fire upon a Moncalamari cruiser to blow it up, its more that capable of incinerating the Speranza in a low setting, other weapons like the final order’s army or the Star forge aren’t even needed to beat 40k

[@kazuares7212]

@@DarthNihilus_SW Hahaha funny guy, you should be comedian or rather clown do you seriously believe that ship that upon its first launch destroyed planet it was on and is capable of reversing time, and has hypometric weaponry capable of directly erasing things from existence would be defeated by some garbage from star wars?

[@DarthNihilus_SW]

@@kazuares7212 You overestimate the Speranza, and underestimate the Death star, reversing time means nothing more than a set back and a re aim for the weapon, and that black hole you mentioned, would do jack shit unless launched into the proper spot, the empire learned from the previous super weapon, also known as as the star crusher, which was destroyed by a black hole

[@kovadlinka8118]

eh... why are there ships from non-canon Legends but DS 1&2 size is taken from canon? it's little unfair... in Legends DS 1 was claimed to had more than 200 km (maybe up to 400 km) in diametre, when i consider that DS prototype on Maw Instalation was around 100 km in diametre a was refered as "much smaller" then full size DS1 and DS2 was at least twice size than DS1, but common number is around 900 km in diametre, stated canon sizes can't be taken seriously... all sizes was taken from old books from Legends, like Jedi Academy trilogy or The Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, etc... most TTD was lately retconed or specified but often they don't make sense

[@thorshammer7883]

Current disney canon can suck itself into a void and be forgotten for all time.

[@PrinceGabrielInoc]

Wait, how about the ship that abaddon used to crash or so to say 9/11'd cadia? It's almost the size of a craftworld

[@anonymuz796]

As Starkiller Warhammer 40K has World Engine.

[@skalgrimfellaxe5796]

Lots of made up numbers there for the Imperial and Mechanicus ships. (Ark Mechanicus, Bucephelus, Phalanx and especially for the Speranza) Also not taking into account the largest ships in 40K is an odd choice. Ships like Aeldari craftworlds, often continent sized or larger, or the Necron World Engine which was planetary sized should be mentioned if you are doing a universe comparison. In many cases there are no numbers ever stated so yes one can only make estimations but this is pretty wild and out there with little to no factual backing for several ships mentioned.

[@HolyknightVader999]

40K fans love their made-up numbers. SW at least draws their figures from official tech specs.

[@tjoe0463]

​@HolyknightVader999 eat my 40k numbers star wars fan🤣

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@tjoe0463 Your numbers aren't worth anything. At least when SW fans say turbolasers can go up to 200 gigatons, they have official stats from tech manuals and a Library of novels to prove it.

[@voomvoom4522]

​​​​​@@HolyknightVader999neither are yours. At least 40k numbers make sense in the context of the setting. Legends numbers were written by someone who just ignored the movies.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@voomvoom4522 The movies never showed orbital bombardment under Lucas, so nothing these writers ever wrote contrasted his vision. Also under Lucas, the earliest lorebooks and comics made it clear that one ISD can glass entire worlds. So the Legends numbers were written by people who know the canon. ISDs can glass unshielded worlds, but shielded worlds would necessitate a Death Star or some other super weapon to take down.

[@ЖамеркусДжиДжи]

Btw SuperStarDestroyers are common in SW

[@voomvoom4522]

No they ain't. The Empire only had about 50.

[@ЖамеркусДжиДжи]

@@voomvoom4522 Read Dark Empire Sourcebook

[@antoniodeangelis3820]

Retribution Class Battleship is not about 7 km. It's the same hull of Emperor Class,Oberon Class,Victory Class and Apocalypse class. All of them are Battleship, same size. 7,5 km is the size of Grand Cruiser, not battleship

[@itslife1399]

starkiller is a planet tho?

[@ZAR1MAN]

why did they take only the Galactic Empire? Where are the Old Republic and the Pre-Republican era?

[@ЭмильУмеров]

Тогда будем брать человечество ТЭТ

[@Kangbmw]

To serve, or to kill the emperor

[@mtrunkello]

This is just not true at all lol. Source on Speranza's size? Speranza is an Ark Mechanicus ship and nowhere near the size you showed here

[@TheOneWhoSometimesSaysOk]

It was said in the book that it was continent sized, had the industrial output of your local forgeworld and could fit several imperial vessels inside its hangars.

[@Povinger]

Ster killer! @ RIP by few x-wings....

[@HolyknightVader999]

Only because they had help from the inside.

[@Povinger]

@@HolyknightVader999 oh yeah, help of few ppls inside the planet-size base

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@Povinger Exactly.

[@hinoka2911]

Seeing these long, big ahh space ships, i won't even think about walking from head to tail of them

[@phantomwraith1984]

In star wars, colossal super lasers need to be built in order to crack planets open. In 40k on the low end, we have cyclonic torpedoes. On the batshit end, we have Cawl's black hole emitter

[@Rhysman30]

The Speranza herself has black hole weaponry.

[@yoannbelleville7763]

Affecting the climate and atmosphere to make a planet inabitable is something that can be easily done in Star Wars (take operation cinder for instance). However, completelly destroying a planet (while more than duable) is a rarity even in 40k. Most people don't seem to make the difference for some reason.

[@HolyknightVader999]

Lol cyclonic torpedoes won't be able to crack open planetary shields the way a superlaser can. Also, regular ship turbolasers can glass planets. Oh, and by the end of the Sequels, the Empire has mass-produced superlasers mounted on souped-up ISDs.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@yoannbelleville7763 Because 40K fans think it's the same. They think Exterminatus glassing a whole planet is the same as Tarkin destroying Alderaan, when it couldn't be any more different. One is the planetary equivalent of setting something on fire, the other is the planetary equivalent of disintegration.

[@thorshammer7883]

Not exactly the same thing in terms of powerscaling the destructive potency however. As planet vaporization is far more powerful then surface destruction or cracking continents apart to make the surface uninhabitable. One is in the zettatons and yottatons of force while the others are in petatons and exatons range. I would more pit the Death Star against the UNSC's NOVA bomb which does almost the same exalt range of potent planet busting yields as it does.

[@rouvendaniel9121]

Warhammer mit Star Wars zu vergleichen... endet nur in der Frage, welches Imperium wahnsinniger ist und die Größeren Kanonen hat. 😂 Und um ehrlich zu sein, beim Wahnsinn liegt das Imperium der Menschheit weit vorn. 😂. Und genau deswegen ist das Franchise cool. Du musst mit Wahnsinn Wahnsinn übertreffen Star Wars ist auf andere Weise cool. Hier treffen 2 gegensätzliche Kräfte aufeinander, die beide recht haben und beide falsch liegen. Und darum kämpfen, wer den nun richtig recht hat. Beide Franchises seh ich gerne und ich lese die Lore beider. Ich will dir nicht widersprechen, was die Größe der beiden Franchises angeht. Aber Star Trek hätte noch an 2ter oder dritter Stelle genannt werden sollen. Der Vollständigkeit halber. My english isn't very well. Thats why i wrote in german.

[@Anonymous_glitch]

You need to be specific on which empire, because the older empires of the star wars universe would dominate warhammer. One empire, pretty much better built most modern star wars species, they are geneticists that built animals like the tyranids, there's no way that they couldn't use their powerful force abilities and their knowledge of genetics to completely force tyranids to their will

[@Pridefallen975]

This is no longer ship many of them are space stations

[@LotionSoronarr]

I personally don't like EU/Legends as it just throws too much silly stuff and with all the secret projects and forces the Empire had that ALL failed, just make the entire setting and the Empire looks idiotic

[@sohmingjian]

Ecilpse is 35km

[@HolyknightVader999]

Actually it's 17km.

[@sohmingjian]

@@HolyknightVader999 17.5 km is e executor class

[@グレイラットルデウス]

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[@GKinslayer]

I wonder if the Speranza were full operational, and full crew, could it solo the Empire?

[@davidmiller1354]

what about craftworlds or necron moons? The sh*t all over star wars lore. Far bigger..........

[@Anonymous_glitch]

The star forage was comparable in size to a star that could build trillions of soldiers and ships within weeks. The empire that had it, their typical fleet was over ten thousand ships and had trillions of eyes ground soldiers. This is not ignoring the fact that they had thousands of fleets. The star forge was also known for building super weapons. So if you had one star forage, you could completely take Webway

[@monkeyboy5515]

Speranza seems laughably way too big for golden age humanity. Halo’s forerunner who could snipe golden age humanity didn’t even have ships 1k-km. Only stations should ever be that big like I could only imagine what the station that would be needed for resupply that abomination would have to be. I would also have to say if it’s that big what other faction as a similar size.

[@Josephmoldes]

The old ones and necrons would destroy the forerunners though

[@crowe6961]

It has a broadside of black hole guns, a superintelligent AI probably got a blank check and decided to have a laugh. It is said to have the industrial output of the average forge world.

[@blooddixmond]

Star Wars Power Levels destroy warhammer, modern halo, Star Trek, etc easily. the entire combined nuclear arsenal of Earth would be considered absolutely trivial by Star Wars standards-our strongest weapon ever made has a single-use explosive yield comparable to what a point-defense light turbolaser puts out per-second. Even starfighters in Star Wars have laser cannons with yields as high as kilotons. For example, the axial turbolasers mounted on the Allegiance-class Heavy Star Destroyer and the main armament of the Bellator-class Star Battlecruiser and Assertor-class Star Dreadnought have maximum yields of 720-teratons. But they can get even higher, too. Heavy planetary turbolasers such as the w-165 planetary turbolasers, as well as a few ultra-heavy turbolasers such as the spinal-mounted siege gun on the Munificent-class Star Frigate and Recusant-class light destroyer have yields measuring in the single-digit petatons

[@voomvoom4522]

Soooo.... why don't they vaporize ships whenever they shoot each other?

[@DavidForce]

Star Wars is garbage compare to Warhammer

[@Anonymous_glitch]

It seems you are not as nerdy.In star wars as I am as I love both the warhammer and star wars universes. And I have spent many years learning about both of them, collectively star wars is a better and more chaotic world. The problem with the imperium of man is that it is smaller and not technologically as advanced as the typical species within star wars. The imperium of man only has a million worlds, the galastic empire, at its peak, had at least six billion. On top of the fact that Star wars has multiple species and some of them produce fast enough to pretty much become the death core of Krieg. The typical weapon of a genocan fighter.It's a sonic blaster that melts your organs with the sound waves, and that's just their typical bit of technology. Accept, they find it easy to produce large.Weapons and ships, if you gave them all of the resources, they could build something the size of it. The death star that could sonically melt a planet's atmosphere and feature all living organisms within it. The star forge was a ship comparable to the size of a star, which it fed off of, it would create billions of soldiers and ships a day, creating an entire fleet, which could contain up to fifty thousand ships at a time within a week. You underestimate the general power Star Wars has because it has access to the entire Galaxy of star wars. On top of the fact that we know some things about the other galaxys, and we actually have ways to get from the star wars galaxy to the closest one next to it for trading. We know about seven of them, do you really think the imperium of man can go against people that make up? Seven galaxys have weapons that can shoot across galaxys having the ability of two closely teleport, as well as actually having the feet of killing gods. Because in star wars, people have killed gods

[@ethangonzales8230]

Star Trek would wipe the floor with the imperium

[@crowe6961]

The Imperium brings the Warp with it.

[@Anonymous_glitch]

You should search up the other universe, because it is full of creatures that can consume planets as well as beings like the tyranids