Commander VS S4E4: Kamahl vs Munda vs Tolsimir vs Tymaret

[@SCGCommander]

(Choi) Be sure to check out www.edhrec.com for all your EDH deck building needs! Thanks to EDHRec for having such an awesome tool for us and the community to use! Don't forget we're taking a break next week but we'll be back on August 17th with more Commander gameplay!

[@Ole_Doc_Holliday]

Wes Wise you should play my deck next week!!! tappedout.net/mtg-decks/primer-seton-druid-goodness/

[@judgefudge1]

next time the coliseum of randomness rolls around can you have edhrec build the deck for them and force the gentlemen to adapt to the chaos of ignorance! i.e. have the decks built for them but tell them nothing but the general...which is also random

[@Ole_Doc_Holliday]

That would be cool too...

[@treasureberry7154]

Hi I created #wisemove

[@joshmoorash4927]

Finally people are realizing how amazing that sight is I just wanna say it's so accurate with statistics and a guideline to build decks But prices may be off don't always follow that. But I love their site

[@QuarrySea]

At the 38 minute mark, Justin used his commander to deal 3 damage to the 5/5 Wayfarer Temple that was being buffed up by Wes' commander.

[@BkxLounge]

when thye first said it was a 3/3 i was like ummmmmmmm no?

[@xF3arl]

I mean it, itself is a 3/3. It' just gets buffed by 2/2.

[@BkxLounge]

Wes made so many bad plays. Like why he didn't spend 4 to pump his general out of range from Justin and keep nylea active... No one knows

[@cameronneveu7277]

because he was holding arcnogenisis

[@JilteredGeneration1]

Wes amazingly and unknowingly playing around the random deflecting palm was such a great moment. Let's go Team Wes!

[@spokeefe]

Always a pleasure watching you gents politicin' and havin' fun. Looking forward to the next episode! I'd like to see a Voltron-Commander brawl sometime down the road. Also, suggestion for the next random-generated game: The Pit of Pandemonium! Thanks again, guys.

[@TheMrEM4N]

Wes Wise with the DB play of the game at 32:35 with the delayed may trigger from Aura Shards. Justin set the precedent a turn earlier by acknowledging he didn't get his missed taureen mauler triggers and I didn't see Wes steppin up to let him keep the counters. If you're gonna call late may triggers you ought to enforce and allow others to keep theirs' as well especially when you're using one of the strongest EDH enchantments in the game.

[@dungeonmini-boss137]

munda cant put allies to the bottom? it says reveal any number of ally cards, I may reveal none cant I?

[@markharland2459]

Yes, you can reveal 0 if you choose, even if there is an ally card in the top 4.

[@gammie6062]

They read the card twice too, damn that sucked. Stephen probably would have won.

[@FishHookEXE]

*Jeremy leads Tymaret into Impact Tremors* be still my beating heart :D Impact Tremors is, for some insane reason, my favorite card in EDH so super pleased to see Jeremy playing it.

[@sethpeters7362]

Nothing insane about that. It's a super good card because it's easy to underestimate. This and Purphoros is just plain deadly.

[@Deris76]

this card in a token deck is so satisfying :D! you almost kill everyone just by those triggers xD

[@Humstuck]

everytime I see my fried whipping out his krenko deck I get scared because the amount of goblins that commander can do is unreal and with purphoros and tremor its deadly. Gotta kill that krenko.

[@tiironsunyal8046]

Definitely loved it! I'm a big fan of EDHREC, I use it all the time. Jeremy: I'd love to see you play Riku of Two Reflections, and slap as many clone cards in there as possible! Parnell: I'd love to see you play either Chainer, and reanimate ALL the things. Stephen: Go back to something you've played before, and go to Feldon! All the graveyard interactions!

[@nathanlong7303]

Jeremy talking about what vids of the channel that will notify, got me to subscribe. Nice work.

[@matthugenberg8869]

So my friend has a mono red walls deck using kazuul, tyrant of cliffs. it's actually really fun to play with and against. I would love it one of you played that during the final video of the season. I am pretty sure the deck list is on tapped out, but I dont know the name of the deck. Of course Green has to play this because it's mono red! ;P Hope you guys choose this! :D

[@geaesdragon]

love you guys. i have been a big fan for years now, i love commander and commander vs. gives me tons of ideas. thanks for making these vids keep it up. (stephen is my fav at the moment).

[@PenguinPanda2]

At around the 50:00 mark, Wes could've saved his commander by using Nylea's ability. #Wisemove

[@CalderaWolf]

you guys should do a commander vs with the Praetors, id love to see a Jin-Gitaxias deck with something like Alhammarret's Archive wrecking havoc through massive card draw

[@sandman423]

This the only reason I subscribe to Startcity games. I just want to watch Commander Versus more and more.

[@Gulaghar]

Thanks for the explanation about how the channel's notifications are done. Subbed now. =)

[@b0lkan]

Great timing on this, gonna get comfy and watch it now!

[@TheTexasDice]

That was a great episode, thanks guys.

[@Manonmarsthefirst]

Munda states any number in its word text, meaning that you don't have to reveal any if you don't want to. It's the same with targeting up to a certain number of creatures, you don't have to target/reveal if you don't want to.

[@Scherezad_]

The Carousel of Chaos. There's the idea.

[@SCGCommander]

(Choi) Definitely writing this one down!

[@stefanocorno4649]

What happened around 39:17? The avenger+aura shards only hits enchantments and artifacts so why did koth and relentless dead die?

[@cdoy]

You do not need to reveal off of Munda for two reasons: it says reveal any number, which means that you can reveal zero and because it is "look" you can always fail to find.

[@wizkida981015]

Suggestions for decks for final episode: Justin: Justin's been doing very well recently. He should play someone that's hard to play, but in his colors, such as Iname As One. Stephen: We need to see Mono-red win at least once and who better to do it? I'd say either Urabrask or Feldon of the Third Path. Wes: I think it's finally time we let Wes play Teferi. Besides, what could go wrong? #wisemoves Jeremy: Thraximundar. He would like it. We like it. Just...Thraximundar.

[@gregrocks1223]

42 Trample with the possibility of 44 trample and 6 regular damage. The best blocks were crypt ghast on nylea and demons on avenger/wolf/loxodon. This provides a total of 16 damage block and total damage of 34 killing him. Therefore the best blocks were probably 2x demon on avenger to take it out or 2x demon blocks on loxodon heirarch.

[@tdogg46142]

Here is an idea for a theme. It combines a couple of previous ones. Do a two-headed giant where one player uses a planeswalker (allowing for you to use ones that normally can't be your commander) and the other uses the corresponding legendary creature. Ex. Xenegos, the Reveler and Xenegos, God of Revels.

[@halospartanmaster99]

So does anyone else find it funny that stephen got ambushed by spiders XD

[@CodenameJD]

I subscribed after Jeremy explained in this video that I'd only get about 3 videos in my subscription feed a week. I've since had over a dozen. Not sure if you just messed up your settings, there was miscommunication, or if that was a bare-faced lie, but I'm not exactly thrilled about that.

[@SCGCommander]

(Jeremy) I honestly forgot about all the SCGLive deck techs when we filmed this. Also, shortly after we filmed this, we moved all of our MTGO videos from Premium to Select, so those will now have the first round of each video go under the sub box. Sorry about that!

[@TheAlexanderkl]

So I was just playing some commander Cube, and realized this is right up your alley Parnell, you guys should do one for Commander Vs!

[@JParnell1]

That is definitely right up my alley! Drafting can be tricky to get on camera AND be entertaining, but maybe one day we'll figure out a way (*nudgenudge* Choi *nudgenudge*)

[@gargaldeeznutz3222]

Each player should pick another player at random and make an edh deck for them that fits there play style or just what they hate.

[@theguywithaweirdname94]

I would really like to see all of them try to build decks that they think the other player will enjoy.

[@emilysmith3594]

One episode of each. Decks to enjoy, decks to annoy.

[@baconpyro7298]

I feel like any of them would enjoy a good ol' turn one island sol ring golgari signet, turn 2 swamp lightning greaves grisly salvage get a jin-Gitaxias and a death's shadow into the yard, turn 3 island mimeoplasm copying jin-Gitaxias and getting 13 counters from death's shadow equip lightning greaves.

[@emilysmith3594]

Gnarly.

[@yklys10s]

Munda says "reveal ANY NUMBER of Ally cards." Steven doesn't need to reveal all Allies. He could just reveal one or two and put the others on the bottom of his library.

[@yklys10s]

And why haven't you guys created a Doge token? I'm sure Justin'd love it. :P

[@h2_]

4 random monored generals. The only way to break the curse. Call it "Mountain Madness Melee"

[@jmcalcy69]

Wes, you were already my favorite, but that Overwatch joke made me love you even more.

[@happygaming7878]

Kind of an odd question but I really like the deck Wes is using does anyone know how much it would be to build that deck?

[@tafkat1229]

The good, the bad, and the random was the first thing to pop into my head

[@ghitapaints91]

O love this series. Thank you Starcity

[@CapitalG_MTG]

when are you going to do 4 mono red decks? Godo Bandit Warlord, Keldon Of The 3rd Path, Fumiko The Lowblood, and Lovisa Coldeyes.

[@anosnd]

I VERY much like this idea. They keep saying a mono red deck has never won on commander versus. This is the chance!

[@baconpyro7298]

BUT WHAT ABOUT KRENKO!!! WE NEED MORE KRENKO!!! ALSO THEY HAVE NEVER USED OMNATH, LOCUS IF MANA.

[@TheTctoocold]

elves vs goblins ezuri and titania vs krenko and wort/ib

[@emilysmith3594]

Krenko is legit super good. Elesh makes him sadface. But most wrath effects only slow him down. The Zerg rush is real

[@TheTctoocold]

+Emily Smith darksteel mutation is krenko's best friend!

[@buddadragonmtg4848]

love this series. dont know what imma do next week though. i still say a mono red Zirilan deck could do some damage maybe even win. i think just should have saved the reforge for later. what about the maelstrom conflux.?

[@shaisober]

Can you do Odyssey block commanders? Like Cabal Patriarch, Seton, Pianna, Chainer, Llawan, Ambassador Laquatus, Balthor the Defiled, Balthor the Stout, Commander Eesha, etc?

[@spendexman]

As a third one you coud use: The RanDome?

[@jaojintalonis92]

the Thunder Ran-Dome

[@Donaldsangry]

Wes shouldn't the temple of survived? It was a 5/5

[@Stupidexport]

That's what I thought. Wes just forgot his general there I guess

[@Donaldsangry]

#wisemove

[@MiagolioMaxwell]

have survived* One post at a time, we can save the phrase "-ould have".

[@TheRedGauntlet]

LOL that Arachogenesis was great XD

[@RyuPlaneswalker]

So from the points board before things are started. Does that mean the Sigil of House Parnell is a Doge on a blue backround?

[@calebhalbrook1506]

So does hybrid mana not count for color identity? Talking about crypt ghast being played in tymaret

[@derekwismer7602]

I love watching these guys play but would love to see them bring in some more pals and get a massive game just once. at my local store 2 weeks ago we got a 10 player game going and honestly it took forever but it was well worth it.

[@stephenmertsch9401]

love the channel. love the content. you guys are funny and have very interesting decks you guys play on commander versus. also jeremy win this season!!!

[@SCGCommander]

(Jeremy) That's a pretty steep order. Glad you're enjoying the content!

[@JessicaZane4realz]

This is a lot more of a friendly game than the Commander cry baby players at my FNM place.

[@halophilicnc6473]

Home games with 3-4 friends is so much more fun than randoms at the LGS. I highly suggest building a network of people you're comfortable inviting over or going to. In a related note, if you're in Central NC let me know.

[@WeskersPlayhouse]

sounds like your LGS has constructed spike syndrome. The typical FNM player who plays Commander tends to be a spike who plays a cutthroat commander like Rafiq or Sharuum and gets butthurt when they either get hated off the board or when everyone scoops it up to get to the next game. Sure you can just PLAY Commander, but if you want to really enjoy the format you have to steep yourself in the culture and community and understand how the veterans enjoy to play. Sure some FNM players can play Commander and have a good time, but most of them can't switch off that constructed tournament style mentality

[@MegaBengland]

It helps that the VS. team plays more for the entertainment and not strictly to win. Commander is a lot more fun when not every deck is strictly (Color) Goodstuff.

[@JessicaZane4realz]

WeskersPlayhouse We have a lot of rich players too, and when they lose, they really take it personal. like they use Mana Drain and Jace in Commander decks.

[@TheTctoocold]

Woulda been about a year ago now, had this super obese dude, always raged at anyone who he lost to, had never personally played the dude but one day sat down at a 5 man table, he played show and tell into omnisience into enter the infinite on t6, i dropped phyrexian metamorph, with sharuum and disciple of the vault already on the field, he was well salty

[@zachmayer2288]

You should randomly assign 3 or 4 event decks. Each player gets 5 or so edits in addition to the cards in those decks plus a commander that fits the colors.

[@admanios]

Holy.... So None of them realize that Wayfaring Temple gets the buff from Tolsimir. But then, just MINUTES later, they make sure to note those same buffs on the Voja token. Come on, guys, get it together.

[@synopsysbane]

I would love to see a curse breaker match where they all would have to play mono-red generals to break the curse.

[@carstenpetersen1379]

38:38ish, wes' creature was a 5/5 because it was getting pumped by his commander

[@highaerials36]

Parnell is hilarious... "All of us use EDHrec, instead if Stephen Green for some reason, but hey that's why you lost buddy." I lost it.

[@F4ll0utBP]

I like the EDHrec plan for random episodes, the only thing I would suggest is rerolling commanders that have already been played on Vs just so we get to see some new stuff!

[@EdwardWB97]

People, stop worrying about misplays and mistakes. Yes, they could have played better but this is about having fun!

[@valerieswords2111]

Did you also use the "generate average deck" function on EDHRec to make the deck lists or did you guys build them?

[@SCGCommander]

(Choi) We used the generate function from EDHRec to make sure we got the full EDHRec experience. It worked pretty well and produced some good decks (in my opinion.)

[@juultoo]

At 49:50, Wes could save Tolsimir if he wanted to, and because he didn't, Nylea shouldn't have been a creature anymore because he only had 4 devotion.

[@QuarrySea]

Yep, they removed Nylea from combat and made fun of Wes later in the video for that.

[@juultoo]

+Corey Castelli Made the comment before I'd finished watching

[@daviddavidson1090]

37:42 (Wes to Stephen and Justin "You guys are being jerks. We're gonna have to separate you two." And so they did, lol.

[@baconpyro7298]

What if you did some crazy archenemy commander thing vid where 3 of you would have a legendary creature that isn't particularly good as commanders vs some crazy tier 1 commander like Maelstrom Wanderer vs Polukranos and Isamaru and Kothophed, Soul Hoarder

[@caseybranan4846]

Hey Justin, Doge!! :p Love the editor messing with you on the edits!!

[@timothymeadows1628]

So anyone notice that Parnell actively misled Green? Interrupting his reading of Munda to tell him had read the card previously and that he had to put all the allies on top? Seems to be....

[@Mattismen]

I'd really like to see a game with Sharuum, Glissa, Jor Kadeen and Kurkesh. Boy, I sure do love artifacts.

[@Hexamore1994]

You look with Munda and even if there is 4 Allies you can say, "Oops, didnt find any allies. Guess they all go to the bottom." It does not prompt you to reveal all the cards, just the allies you choose to keep on top.

[@frankieh]

Man, this one wasn't even remotely fair. Stephen, Jeremy and Justin got screeeeeeeeeeewed.

[@jackcarroll6940]

"Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing." -Rando Cardrician

[@geradenhraba770]

i would love to see a 4 way zombie edh match between these guys

[@r4g1ngph03n1x]

"Reveal any number" is the may variation of look. The other option is "reveal all"

[@r4g1ngph03n1x]

There's also "reveal x cards, then put all [cards of type Z] revealed this way into [zone]"

[@Masterbaade]

As if I wasn't already Team Green he is also wearing a TOOL shirt!!!!

[@Skinney135]

Coliseum of Random is always my favorite! Glad that Wes was able to recover from his Wisemove of taking the boots off Tolsimir. GO WES!

[@jaredlol1]

Wait when kambal tried to kill the wayfaring temple it wouldn't die... it was a 5/5. 3 from creatures +2/2 from tolsmir.

[@britbau]

Sure this has been mentioned, but wayfaring temple was a 5/5 due to getting +2+2 from Tolsimer so it shouldn't have died.

[@vipper57779]

im just curious as to ehy parnell didn't block with his indestructible 6/1. even killing one plant id still one less plant

[@vipper57779]

and then stephen didnt kill the 2/2 with his 3/3. nobody wants to block the tokens lol

[@bAd12cheZ]

Trapped on another plane: put the names of different planes in 2 "hats" the first plane you pull will be where your Commander is from and the second plane you pull where be the set(s) that make up your deck Lands must be from the second plane you pull

[@Simbadest]

I'm personally fond of "Rando-dome" (i.e. Metrodome), or if you want to be silly, the Disco of Discord.

[@anosnd]

I really like Gary Walts (Capital G) comment below about doing all mono red decks. They continually state that mono red has never won a video, but the time is nigh! I understand concerns of play being boring and having alot of repeat cards, but you can accomplish mixed archetypes pretty easily.

[@hnjahnjah]

The Coin of Destiny? The Arena of Chance? The Luck Games (yeah,i know this one is lame but still xD)? The Chamber of Abandoned Reason? The Room of Unpredictability?

[@aaronorbik2375]

Munda says reveal "any" number of allies not "all" allies among them and put the rest on the bottom of your library. Stephen doesn't have to put any of the allies he sees on top, if he so chooses.

[@mave6602]

Some time ago my brother said he wanted a Lord of The Ring Themed Mtg EDH Deck where everyone should use a theme from a LoTR tribes. I know that we don't have so many cards and our friends have even less so we have problems to build after such a theme (except Dragons maybe) but I think it could be a nice theme for you. Kithkin as Hobbits (Gaddock Teeg or Brigid, Hero of Kinsbaile) Giants (Brion Stoutarm, Ruhan of the Fomori or Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas) Treefolk as Ents (Verdeloth the Ancient, Doran, the Siege Tower, Sapling of Colfenor or Nemata, Grove Guardian) Eagles as Birds (Kangee, Aerie Keeper, Derevi, Empyrial Tactician, Lieutenant Kirtar etc.) Zurgo as Orc Lieutenant (Using Orcs, Elephants and Goblin) Demons as Balrogs Spirits, Shades and Zombies as The Dead. Dragons (just the red ones) as Dragons Spiders as the big Creature which attacked Frodo Etc. And pretty hard to use: Dwarfs (Balthor the red because we have nearly no black dwarfs and Balthor the black has no red color identity and the red use Barbarian tribal) Main Point no creature in the Deck shall have another creature type than listed on the Middle Earth wiki.

[@mave6602]

Nearly forgotten it. My Brother wanted that if Elves are played that I had to used Emmara Tandris as a commander because she looks like Galadriel

[@heltoupee]

Don't forget Kulrath Knight as a Nazgul.

[@mave6602]

Looks fine to me :D So the Shadowmoor Elementals from red black are okay too.

[@Kestral287]

Wes' use of Arachnogenesis there was amazing. A lot of players will reveal their fogs; that was great. Definitely a #wisemove. But I'm still #lustinforJustin

[@michaellambers8653]

What song is the intro song ? It's so catchy and any time I try to 'sing' that on my playgroup everybody watch me like I'm mad! :D

[@nickbahama2251]

#wisemove - When Justin targeted Wes' wayfaring temple, it was a 5/5 because of Tolsimir.

[@JeremyStorly]

All these guys are fun to watch, but if I had to play Commander against one of them, it would be Jeremy because he always keeps his cool no matter what.

[@thomaskaimann6800]

so why isnt there an episode today

[@jordanwarren688]

wasn't the populate dude a 5/5 cause of wes's commander pumping green and white creatures?

[@EdwardWB97]

Idea for one week. Instead of 1st - 4 points; 2nd - 3 points; 3rd - 2 points; 4 1 point. Do 1st - 1 point; 2nd - 2 points; 3rd - 3 points; 4th - 4 points. Might be interesting to see how each person plays when they're trying to come last

[@heatflash360]

do you think you could increase the volume of your videos? at least for this video i found it quieter than many other things on the internet, youtube, and other computer sounds

[@jadedflames]

That's always been an issue for me with Vs. It's the only thing I *have* to use headphones to hear.

[@davidm.857]

idk but I always seem to have problems watching these videos, it gets to first ad then won't load any further, like ever. any ideas? anyways love the series. love getting to see generals I haven't considered playing before. cheers

[@COYADD]

Did Wes activate Jazal at the end, or did he just cast him?

[@Ma5kedThe5pian]

Cast him then activated him after declaring attacks.

[@L3thalDarkness]

Wait, how did Kamal kill wayfaring temple? Wasn't it a 5/5?

[@justryangeorge]

#wisemove welcome to the coloseum of paradoxically confusing, analytical, and subsequent incidental casualties of the coloseum of randomly randomized coloseum

[@Akition]

38:23 The temple is a 5/5 not a 3/3 ... Its always so horrific to watch when someone forgets his own commander :D

[@Akition]

And why does wes give his a Avenger of Zendikar a counter at roughly 40:00 ?

[@Akition]

1:04:18 incorrect again. Youre able to reveal ANY NUMBER of ally cards, you can choose 0 even if you look at 4 allys.

[@dmark312]

He put the counter on the avenger instead of putting a counter on 8 creatures. Its just to show how many counters each plant has.

[@Akition]

I figured that out later, but thats technically very incorrect. He could just put one die on the stack of tokens.

[@TheHades8900]

Wes missed so much damage by forgetting he could pump his board with nyla.

[@LoLosSpacee]

i think the saying should go "We're Riding the Rails to Randomtown, to battle in the Coliseum of Randomness in pure randemonium." or something like that.

[@josephmooradian8356]

If the subscription thing is really fixed like you say, I'll try a subscribe for a bit! only reason I haven't subscribed, I just keep the playlist in my lists.

[@TheBigPenguu]

I know this is years after the fact but the Wayfaring Temple would have lived because of Tolsimir's +1/+1 effects.

[@chrisofthehoovers4055]

how about "Arena of Over Killing Stephen...by a lot" good job Wes

[@MaxwellIvanCooper]

I really liked this incarnation of randomness much more than previous seasons where it felt like half the time someone ended up with a deck that was unplayable and just not especially interesting to watch. Even with the monored deck it seemed like no one was left just sitting out.

[@daltonwood8881]

You guys should do an episode where everybody plays mono red

[@Lost77]

-126. That's kind of brutal. :D I love overkill shots like that. And he really threaded the needle there

[@justryangeorge]

biggest overkill hit should be worth a point granted at the end of the season.

[@justryangeorge]

and mauve a point to the player who took the hit

[@Lost77]

Ryan George ... Mauve a point?

[@jadedflames]

The player who took the hit changes his color to mauve for the next season.

[@SquatBenchDeadlift455]

Great video! #teamwes #chestache

[@Arcangel61286]

Wow that end... Wise indeed!

[@4Refros]

Can we please get an episode where each of their significant others use their decks and play for them that week?

[@lillyw7064]

went to the website clicked random and got Nicol Bolas first try XD