StarCraft 2 Low APM Challenge 2022! Protoss Rank Up Guide - Low Plat (Ep. 3)

[@bobjohnson9201]

Thank you Winter. This series broke my apathy and got me playing again. And helped me get back to being a gold league goober once again. Love the series!

[@ludoviclagouardette7020]

1:54:00 You had such an evil grin when telling people to eat their widow mines... I love it

[@SnkobArts]

Additional tip(s): Just like Ctrl clicking a unit will select all units of that type, Ctrl+Shift Clicking gets RID of all units of that type in your selection. Useful for deselecting spellcasters from your main army, or deselecting Non-Anti-air units when bringing the stalkers/chadrays back home to defend against the moota/BCs. Only-anti-Ground-attack army can keep damaging bases while your AA units come to home to play tag with the other player's base-strafing units. Your opponent's sick micro notwithstanding, imminent surrender (and humiliation) is inevitable. You can then contact your probe lawyers to file restraining orders against this blatant workplace harassment! 😘😤

[@Johnny-Joseph]

49:45 is hilarious, man is prepared everywhere xd

[@Hotshotben]

Perfect intro! I won 2 games yesterday but my opponents were braindead. Watch me come back confidently tonight and lose all confidence after a rushed bane drop

[@Discerned_]

Gotta say your tutorials are good. I made to plat 3 zerg thanks to you, as well as my lack of sanity!

[@ftlnetwork6067]

I love when winter actually gets challenged. Makes for a fantastic video.

[@Se7eNiToS]

1:04:35 just wait for it, the minerals line. Amazing timing, I laughed so hard!!!

[@joesaxon3613]

I dunno know why it took me this long to put it together, but you are a dead ringer for Joseph Gordon-Levitt...

[@dizastro5437]

Best of this series. Loving it

[@bobjohnson9201]

Winter is truly the most humble person I’ve ever seen.

[@dummymac3944]

I love the tips you give, been playing 12-15 ranked games a day

[@Hotshotben]

Could we get a visual representation or explanation of how to figure out splash zones. Like how wide is a widow mine explosion, siege tank shot, colossus hitrsnge, etc?

[@FonderTomato13]

Again incredible. I went from vibe b2gm, to this. I'm scared of micro'ing but your simple concepts. Make me understand its a muscle to build, just like macro'ing.

[@theefranchise1299]

great vid, BIGSAM is a RL friend, lived 4 houses down from me.. hes always been really good at SC even before broodwar and somehow i became addicted to it as well, but over the years he has learned more and perfected his strats, hes not a pro by any means but i think if matched up to some of these pros, he wouldnt be a push over by a long shot

[@junkerjorg2]

WE'RE ALL GONNA MAKE IT, THANKS WINTER

[@luisagra1829]

omg i love u so much man, that intro was so good for me :,)

[@アンゲルタムアンゲルタム]

Hey Winter, great vid but i still seek guidance. I'm mostly comfortable doing 2 base timings but trying to learn that highly panned macro style. The big thing for me is obviously taking that 3rd base and here comes the question. More often than not i see players take the linear third instead of the standard location. Can you elaborate further on why and when to choose which option? Thanks!

[@TheAgavi]

You take the linear third if you want to expand further away from your opponent. Against terran it's a good idea because it prevents them dropping in your third and picking up and dropping in your main by the time you get down there.

[@wh1sp3rr]

Day

[@MrTube84]

Hey Winter great content here I appreciate it sir. I was thinking if is possible you add vids with a recap of openers like Vs cannon rush, vs 3 gates, reaps, lings rush from the perspective of each race. Great job man, thanks for the quality here! really helps!

[@martykowal]

thanks for educating us plabs ! its earned me some wins ! youre the best!

[@martykowal]

you speak it in a way thats easy to make happen! love your stuff!

[@NoticemeSinPi]

Do zerg buildings keep the kill count from the drone?

[@Vardpo]

thank your for translating and answering my question

Liking before even watching the video :p

[@nickjensen1004]

Excellent series, glad you are doing it for each race. I have 2 questions: 1. Under what conditions and at what time should I build a second forge? 2. Same question for a second robo?

[@SttarDustt606]

Like many others I want to go pro at sc2 but im so damn lazy after work lol and its scary not the players but the micro 😆 Also I want another heart from the late great WinterSC. Thank you.

[@tiaanmunnik]

The glorious zergling slaughter, awesome.

[@christophercoates3431]

Love the content. Keep it up!

[@humanetrout8805]

how do disruptors compare to high templar & storm? I feel like those games with high templar storm would benefit from a lot more value that disruptors bring, with it's near instant kill novas as opposed to storms and squishy templar. Thoughts?

[@koolkiller35]

If your opponent is paying attention and stimmed, they can outrun the disruptor shots. Storm is instant and very strong against bio. Disrupters are better for mech

[@ghoraxe9000]

I've improved alot on my macro but .. not sure if micro will ever be my thing... I love my slow n steady position focused advances... It's just a style for me to build forward fortification... Gives my marines somewhere safe to retreat

[@anonymouse3471]

bunkers with the push is definitely a thing even pros do it

[@FearlessDad]

I would love to see some more disruptor play. Makes the game even more fun to watch when you go bowling for zerg

[@WhoTheLoL]

1:08:26 - Winter notices a swarm of roaches and hydras walking into his base 1:08:28 - 2 perfect forcefields and 2 perfect storms queued 1:08:30 - 302 APM 1:08:33 - fight over 1:08:37 - 50 APM Low APM challenge, my ass 🤣

[@peterszupera1003]

Hey Winter, thanks for the series, you inspired me to start playing ranked, not just campaign and co-op. I'm in gold, and I have difficulties against skytoss in PvP. I think I max out too late (12-13 mins), because I can't decide in time my opponent plays an early void ray all in or just a macro skytoss. Can you give me some tips how can I recognize the macro version?

[@tusk3260]

When going colossi i used to build a bunch of immortals first and supliment them with stalkers. Only need about 3 colossi with range upgrade thats a must have. Then have a huge number of stalkers and immortals. They wont go ultra because immortals hard counters them and immortals will kill buildings fast snd stays alive a long time. To counter you they will go corrupters but they will need a lot to get past your stalkers and that range upgrade makes it way harder for him to sniper your colossi, so he will make like 8 or more corrupters to snipe colissi. Thats a lot of army pop that cant do anything after that, so this is when you attack his base. This is when having all those immortals pays off. You go snipe his hive and important buildings then its clean up time and you win. Make sure not to kill corrupters and do the attack before he gets broodlords so spire and pool are first target then its hive and everything else. Have a few warp prism follow colossi for decoy against corruptets and to reinforce army with stalkers warp in. The stalkers alone when in critical mass can defeat lings but really they are there as meatshield for the immortals and colossi. It wasby using this composition of units that i first started to win against elite ai.

[@jerubaal101]

Great guide, but you don't seem to be using Oracles as much as many pros do. Are they just scouts at this point?

[@yifeicheng8926]

Very educational content! Just one question: what is an efficient way to deal with engineering bay block as protoss? I would build a zealot to cancel the engineering bay after scouting it, but this delays my adept, making it hard to deal with the reaper.

[@WolfGangDealers]

I'm sure that the new balance patch shouldn't change too much of the protoss' gameplan. Just how they reach their gameplan.

[@jakebrewable]

What is this gameplan? I thought it was just get whatever and A move

[@WolfGangDealers]

@@jakebrewable instead of going air a-move earlier, you make more ground a-move to get to air a-move armies.

[@Hotshotben]

I would like to know how to lightly micro my units after a-moving. I often feel like half my archons and immortals are too thick and theyre stuck at the back of the line trying to find a way to get in range of the other army while my zealots are doing all they can in front. Thanks for the grest content!

[@MrRubixscube]

hi winter, this time i have a couple questions: 1) is there a way to select all idle workers without having the camera move over to them? 2) how important is it to hit chronoboost? should you keep it in the back of your mind at all time, or just use it whenever you notice the relevant buildings on screen?

[@SnkobArts]

Ctrl F1 (or whatever you have it bound to) selects all idle workers. You can also just mouse click the idle worker button in the lower left of the screen on the minimal frame

[@SnkobArts]

Chrono boost workers up through 3 bases, then Chrono upgrades. If while scouting you see them moving out, Chrono production like robo and stargates. If it's 1 base vs your 2 base, be sure to save 50 energy on one of your nex for battery overcharge

[@MrRubixscube]

@@SnkobArts thanks for the answers. however, my first question wasnt about "how to select all idle workers" but "how to select them without the screen moving to them". i dont even know if theres a way

[@Valhalla05]

@@MrRubixscube Ctrl Idle Worker key will select all idle workers without moving the camera towards them. Just make sure you only hit the idle worker key once

[@tusk3260]

I got to platinum by only making marines and hellbats. I went maccro, maccron and no micro at all. In late game id have 4 to 5 factory with reactors, 24 barracks with reactors, fully upgraded marines and hell bats. Id have 16 orbital command centers for constant mule drops and at make 48 marines and 8 to 10 hellbats at a time and rally accross the map. 2 units in que constantly for all barracks and factory. So as my attack wave of 48 marines and 8 - 10 helbats cross the map, another full attack wave is being built. - The way players play in starcraft is they counter attack right after they successfully defended but against me in you attack i have a new army already made by the time you cross the map. So i overrun my enemies with my constant attacks or i run out of minerals and lose. But my strategy worked in 9 out of 10 games due to my insane maccro that i learned from playing against elite ai constantly. I went from bronze league that i was stuck in for severals and gave up to play versus ai to platinum league and got back my confidence as i was playing against diamond leagues and winning. Then i played against some master league guys in customs games that i met in an arcade game called StarBattle, they were bragging that never ever win and turns out i beat them overwhelmingly: Altho they were able to defend against my constant attack waves, i was slowly and gradually building a secret battle cruiser fleet in my starting base, just 2 at a time. Eventually i started decreasing the number of marines and hellbats i was producing at once, making my attack waves smaller. The master lvl guys assumed i was running on minerals and started telling me in chat that i never had a chance at winning to begin with. The game was a 8 players ffa and by that time the only ones alive left were me and the 2 masters. I was laughting at them saying i was about to win while didnt believe me and kept battling each other, until i maxed out on battle cruisers and almost fully wiped out one of them. Then the other master player found out the damage i did and was in disbelief, he didnt see my battle cruisers yet and the master i wrekt first chose to remain silent until the second master player (the one that bragged the most) finally saw my battle cruisers and literally rage quited. It was hilarous, i was so happy i suddenly got up irl and as i did i clumsily hit my laptop causing to fall on the ground and breaking..... This was the last Starcraft game i ever played. - All in all, not a bad way to quit starcraft, makes it a great memory and easy to remember. Tho i was devastated when i accidentally broke my computer.

[@JAKL6775]

Man that opening reminded me of my league of legends years xD

[@frankmc8355]

For shield upgrades, doe the calculus on upgrade priority change if you're playing defensively? Shouldn't batteries make shield upgrades better?

[@WannabeDough]

No because the shield battery already won’t be able to keep up making armour upgrades way better to minimise hull damage, no point having a bigger shield If the battery can’t keep up already

[@Machida209]

I like your videos! On the gameplay, shoudn’t you prioritize maxing supply more? You were like 150 supply with a ton of unspent resources for super long, and that +50 supply would have allowed to defend bases better (not lose 4th) and / or make him def by having a chargelot force harassing his bases

[@alejandrosanchezsalcedo7076]

Hey winter I've been seeing a lot of succes with mass stalkers with blink and immortals on the front. I fear that i will hit a wall soon since i am at arround 2400 mmr (silver) Do you sugest to change my build or just keep winning with the good old stalkers?

[@marktrujillo344]

Protect Winter at all costs. This man is genuine treasure..

[@monstersaint]

Thanks!

[@ForeverRin]

You would have my full focus in a 8 hour video

[@ja-no6fx]

for all ling fight u could put a cannon or two in between some buildings where the lings cant get in, itll bug out the ai

[@stevehuk902]

Would proxy shield battery be good for attacking? Or is that tin foil league strategy?

[@mikovihko4641]

I feel kinda proud to not get supply blocked a single time in my games anymore >:) I kinda almost set it in stone when I build pylons and where so I dont have to even think about it anymore, seems to me a good position to be ingame can spend brain resource elsewhere

[@nielsfennema2266]

Question: I struggle a lot versus a 6 min roach revenge attack ~130 supply, a friend of mine always does it. I feel like I can not counter it without blind countering and building a bunch of cannons and batteries. He builds a 3th so it is also not mediately obvious what his intentions are.

[@Valhalla05]

To clarify, does your friend attack with 130 supply of roaches, or do they attack with roaches when YOU are at 130 supply?

[@nielsfennema2266]

@@Valhalla05 This was just how I noted it down in my note pad. But I belive that his total supply was 130 at 6min when he is knocking with biles on my front door. So let's say 90ish supply of roaches? I can check this in a replay later is 90 sounds low.

[@Fred-ju1xs]

I like Zerg. but I cant get things going. Between Injects and Larva management and weak units. I'll just watch.

[@themanwhospeaksinclams]

How about instead of taking bases you get based?

[@cccorange5965]

Are disrupters just better templars? Those danger balls are so sick

[@Talyrion]

I think the problem is that when you're up against someone who have a good micro, those balls suddenly have a really hard time connecting.

[@Fede.i.M.]

i just realized something, i am in this APM range already making bad decision in D2, is it because i dont spam keys ever? And never bothered with repeat rates of keys for rapid fire

[@joshuaxiong8377]

LOL, i like that. "There are random players, and then there are players who play random." i am most definitely a random player. it's more fun to just mess around with every race.

[@edwinCSBG]

bro is really cool to watch

[@iiddNNzz]

Hey winter thanks for the content my dude, I always have fun watching but then I get to play, I can’t macro I just rush stalkers if I need to build a 3rd base my brain hurts and I normally quit the game and go back to stalkers blink

[@simonkeen9776]

Disruptor goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[@GeneralWarfield]

Would you say ladder got easier or harder since 2018-2020?

[@FoxiestDuck]

Within 40seconds, I was called out. I do 5placements, get stomped then stop playing :D

[@bobjohnson9201]

I got a zeeeeeeeerrrrrg and a shotguuunnn!!!!

[@Tenebris_Sint]

We need the same, but Florencio builds.

[@high_dadYT]

Your intro sounds exactly like how I describe Tarkov to people lmao

[@NEROgamehunter]

i love your videos

[@Falindio]

The first game bound to happen every now and then. Cheeses, smurfs, and in winter's case, snipers. Focus on your game and it'll be more enjoyable, even on a loss.

[@jacobw3652]

Now I don't feel so bad, I'm in low diamond and BigSam absolutely wrecked me. Damn smurfs.

[@deeznoodlezz]

I think onions grow their layers by consuming their onion brethren and absorbing their energy and each layer is how many onions they absorbed

[@larsbaer3508]

I Just reinstalled sc2 BC of your Low am Challenge lol, i followed you when you did IT the First time ... Just gonna do a couple of ai Games though i guess Just for nostalgic ... Never Made IT above gold BC i never Put in the time and effort

[@albertro6051]

ah yes, watching the twitch content again on yt.

[@Daedalus33]

Damn man that intro. Were you in my bedroom last night or what

[@Matt-vh7gf]

Hi Shiba :D

[@OzixiThrill]

1:55:48 - Interesting how he calls marines the best (Queens are the best Tier 1 unit, by the way, and I'll die on this hill), when marines without stim and combat shields are barely worth anthing; Even less than zealots.

[@8ritorneloz]

I realized that max pax is for map hax

[@firestarter000001]

I actually also played against this BigSam smurf (Im diamond 3). He made the same thing to me, lings everywhere, wiht one variation, he used nydus to swarm my main.I think i died much faster then Winter, even when obviously Winter was purposefully playing slow and basic here:)

[@samuelricchio9427]

nice

[@samuelricchio9427]

I'll get you again too.

[@Valhalla05]

Protoss Terran or zerg?

[@firestarter000001]

@@Valhalla05 Im Protoss

[@firestarter000001]

@@samuelricchio9427 We shall see, this bullshit worked because i was surprised...

[@MrCreed145]

That intro made me cry inside. Side note, MAKE HYDRAS TIER ONE, can build den after pool, upgrades unlocked at lair tech. Also a 2 out of three random mode would be nice. Ide love random zerg or terran and not ever get toss.

[@alejandrosanchezsalcedo7076]

Yeah! Let's go protoss!!

[@ALGband]

I am that dude on the ladder

[@alexfindex]

I just wanna say hi to Shiba

[@SkinutrixX]

Hi Shiba

[@MoonShroomMan]

Terran has the best spell caster, and zerg has the second best. I don't want to hear Terrans cry about storm when emp, snipe, cloak, and a fucking nuke are all on 1 unit

[@monkeybunny89]

Low APM challenge? That's what PRotoss does every race?

[@polygondwanaland8390]

2:11:25

[@KirbzYyY]

Not even a minute in and I am being called out wtf man :(

[@birtanikk2696]

Protoss ❤️

[@jayisvexed]

my pylon is turgid

[@michaelkramerados3751]

Hi Shiba :)

[@danielbrooks8230]

Hi Shiba

[@Jones-ke6bt]

pretty sure an a move would have won the first game about half way in lol

[@Falindio]

And then get out base-traded by drop lings

[@Jones-ke6bt]

@@Falindio idk about that. its not hard to defend that with a warp in.

[@lixnix2018]

I should stop trying to play zerg as Protoss I should just go back to zerg

[@screes620]

Shoulda built colossus for that first game. 3 of them, and then push across the map, leave like 3 high templar in each base to defend.

[@ghoraxe9000]

Useless no.. still excellent for sniping key building in the late game

[@hypers829]

The op unit can't carry people to a division they don't deserve anymore. It's useless 😭

[@jonnyc4744]

Why laugh at chat when 4/3 gas? me nobo tbh

[@ceerius3910]

We all love low apm It gives us bads a little copium That we too can be good at starcraft But probably just look like an ass Shout out to the mod BionicShiba Talk too much trash and he'll eat you like an amoeba Maybe one day he'll promote me in discord To sub rank for the streamer where my love is poured

[@ceerius3910]

Also for an actual question, can a reaper grenade your disrupter danger balls back at you?

[@danielbrannon8371]

Q: Are Void Rays USELESS After the new patch? A: No they have been useless since WOL.

[@CPeyser08]

Now void rays have been nerfed it’s time to go back to cannon rushing everyone! 😛

[@jimmycraig221]

im telling you, just recommend people tank their mmr. then you can play against people of lower skill, and try out crazy builds. i wouldnt recommend cheeses, but it helps with scouting patterns, creep spread, creating workers, etc..

[@firestarter000001]

So basicly you recommend to smurf. I dont believe you when you say it helps with learning, it doesnt, because you are trying it against a much inferior player, so it teaches you nothing. Against a player at your level it might not work at all. There is only one reason for smurfing by tanking mmr : cowardice. These guys are afraid to loose, their fragile ego must alwys win. They are basicly bullies that enjoy beating on much weaker players. And as collaterall they are driving poeple away from SC2, because it is quite frustrating. In short they are morons , who hurt the not so huge SC2 playerbase.

[@Valhalla05]

You do realize that unranked games exist right?

[@firestarter000001]

@@Valhalla05 Im confused what does it have to do with the subject?

[@Valhalla05]

@@firestarter000001 Because OP is recommending to tank your MMR to try new things. But Unranked exists to try new things without risking your rank.

[@Phileosophos]

That first game highlights why I despise Zerg. If Winter hadn't walled off perfectly as Protoss, he'd have lost at the first attack. He had to build the perfect unit composition and use spell casters just to survive. All the Zerg player had to do was build the most basic unit in the game and keep attack clicking to win. It's pathetic how OP Zerg are, Blizzard's "master race" in StarCraft 2.

[@TheAgavi]

You seriously complaining that all you need to do is place buildings properly once at the start of the game in order to repel all zerg aggression?

[@Falindio]

He had 202 APM in the end, the guy's a Smurf and most likely, stream sniper. If allowed more APM, thus more scouting, Winter would've slapped him.

[@Phileosophos]

@@TheAgavi No, as you'd know if you actually read what I wrote.

[@WannabeDough]

Hi Shiba