Stargate SG-1 - Season 10 - The Pegasus Project - Meet Ganos Lal - Part 3

AKA "Morgan Le Fay".
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[@Twerkulies]

Daniel outsmarting an ascended being is like an infant baby beating the world's best chess player.

[@Ragitsu]

They overdid the whole "Being ascended doesn't make you all-knowing." plot point.

[@jamesbeshears2283]

Let's not forget Daniel was ascended twice.

[@frederalbacon]

No matter how convoluted it got, the ascended ancient storyline was always interesting to me. When they got to talk to an ascended being, it always felt like a significant moment, and I credit the SG1/SGA writers for keeping these moments big by keeping them rare.

[@paulb5571]

I think that is why I was so upset by when Atlantis was reclaimed by the Ancients in "The Return." The Lanteans, essentially the Ancients before they ascended, show up and pretty much kick the entire Atlantis expedition back to Earth. Only for them to be unceremoniously wiped out by Asurans. It felt really cheap to me to have these beings multiple seasons of multiple SG shows put up on a pedestal die almost instantly from the viewers angle. They could have taken the time to portray them as flawed, showing faults in the description painted in previous episodes, but they were downright foolish. Immediately sending away a group of experienced and dedicated people who comprehend the current threats of Pegasus far better than they could, and had survived those threats with a combination of scrounged Atlantean technology, duct tape and hope. They showed little to no interest in a group of people that their race had essentially devolved into over thousands of years. Also, there were no survivors of the Asuran attack, which irked me to no end. These were the people whose losing plan was literally settling the Milky Way galaxy. I could understand not keeping a huge number around because they were too powerful, but they easily could have had a few get lucky, only to learn the survivors were essentially low tier workers to prevent them from making things too easy and give a window into the Ancients like we hadn't seen before.

[@Ragitsu]

@@paulb5571Do not portray an advanced people if you cannot do them justice.

[@whirledpeaz5758]

Daniel is smart on level that he can debate an ascended being and win.

[@detsalb5789]

Fitting. She only ascended once and Daniel has done it more then once which isn't a normal thing just anybody can do

[@detsalb5789]

@Keraph idk I feal like you have to be the type of person who can ascend to ascend at all whether for good or bad

[@volcanolord100]

@@detsalb5789 Anubis Ascended. It is possible to lie your way to ascension. Difficult and rare, but possible.

[@detsalb5789]

@@volcanolord100 idk I don't think they ever said anubis wouldn't have ascended. Just that he got help to do it faster. Being good or evil has no effect on ascending as far as I know

[@WarpedFabric]

@@detsalb5789 oma desala put the good or bad parameters to ascend into place, probably because anubis tricked her once.

[@Violent2aShadow]

I love how Vala is asking perfectly rational questions and nobody bothers to answer her. I guess the writers wanted to poke fun at how dumb and inconsistent this law of non-interference can be.

[@battlesheep2552]

I don't think it's inconsistent. As Daniel explained it to Jack in a previous episode, just talking to them is technically against the rules, but the other ascended beings don't care enough to enforce the rules in those instances.

[@CatoNovus]

You also have to keep in mind that while technically against letter of the rules, it isn't against the intent of the rules. The letter is "Don't interfere in the existence of lesser evolved beings." and the reason of that is evidenced by the actions of the Goa'uld and Ori. They eventually take on the mindset of being gods, and treat everyone "beneath" them as slaves. It may start as helping out(let me teach you about aqueducts and indoor plumbing), but then becomes "without me, you would be huddled in caves around scraps". The intent of the rule is to let lesser evolved beings determine their own fates, rather than to just leave them adrift. More "I cannot just give you information that would risk you and the people of your world annihilating yourselves." than "I'm a higher being, your physical existence doesn't effect me, and therefore, I'll just ignore it." They want to help, but also want the lesser beings to earn things as well. If we're not intelligent to figure out stuff ourselves, then we're likely not wise enough to handle the burden of those things. Edited to complete the logic.

[@nihilityjoey]

​@@CatoNovus great comment, and it's refreshing to see someone who has given thought to the nuances of the non interference policy.

[@Iguana93]

Vala, in many cases, takes on the role of the "spectator" so she voices the doubts that the audience may have. Through her the writers can poke fun at their own writing and keeping the tone a little lighter, while making the audience not feel like obvious questions are left unasked. The non-interference rule actually always felt pretty logical to me - like any rule in a powerful cabal, it will be tested and bent because for the others in the cabal it is not exactly simple to enforce them and it doesn't make sense to punish minor infractions like talking and nudging. It's not like there's some highest ascended authority that will cut your internet privileges if you say something you shouldn't.

[@jlight1965]

That is 3 seriously good looking women in one room

[@sorinev]

I love her exiled look in Daniel's cell in Ark of Truth. ♥️

[@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164]

This series was good.

[@stuff8195]

Thats the understatement of a decade

[@mnomadvfx]

It was up until they decided to dump Farscape actors onto the scene. To say that they did not fit the mold is an understatement, they turned it into a farce. I can almost feel Michael Shanks wanting to be elsewhere every time Claudia Black opens her mouth.

[@mitche5007]

Atlantis was cool😊

[@Deltaflot1701]

"Planting a few small seeds of civilization among the first tribes of Man" Almost seems to harken back to the opening monologue of the original Battlestar Galactica, and what the survivors of the Colonial fleet did at the end of the more recent edition of BSG.

[@Goldenknave]

that was my thoughts also, the last of the colonials and cylons settle in ancient prehistoric earth and give birth to the first signs of higher humanity. Gives me chills how whether by intuition or dreams, stories in myth and legend both modern and ancient say the same thing, this is not the first time we have been dealing with the problems we are now.

[@Ooilei]

The Ancients and the Federation, "our highest law is to not interfere," yet constantly interfere every now and then, then make up an explanation as to why

[@Ragitsu]

Occasional interventions in extreme situations.

[@Gatetraveller1]

They can only interfere when whatever they are doing could have been done if they were human/on the lower planes. So when Daniel said he couldn’t help find the Eye Of Ra in S6, he did help, but by using the knowledge around him to find the eye, and not phase through the wall to find it. Morgan is using information that she could have discovered if she was human, which is allowed, and she is being rather held back on information.

[@Paul-A01]

Rules mean nothing, the exceptions are everything.

[@Ragitsu]

@@Paul-A01 Is that you, Ra's?

[@Magus_Union]

The moral high ground is useless in a flooded world. The Ancients were always hypocrites.

[@Sasfoot]

Morgan LeFay/Ganos Lal was actually pretty hot.

[@undeadwizard432]

Це найкращий серіал!Я його передивлявся мабуть десять разів!

[@mitche5007]

I miss Stargate, both of them😮😊

[@soukupojob]

I love how she seems annoyed by mention of Camelot. Like she remembered her rivality with Merlin.

[@Gatetraveller1]

1:25 ‘Others making their way to the stargate at the southern pole’ So does that mean when they arrived back on Earth 10000 years ago, it was in Egypt under Ra’s domain? I take it that’s what she meant by ‘harsh’.

[@indecisive5365]

No there were two gates on earth. The one the ancients went to is in Antarctica, the second as you know is in Egypt

[@Gatetraveller1]

@@indecisive5365 ‘others made their way to the southern pole stargate’ implies that they did not exit at Antarctica, but had to travel there. ‘Made their way’. I think Ra had already set up the Alpha gate before the Lanteans arrived, so that would be Earths active stargate.

[@printezstroman]

Well, she’s an Alteran, modern Earth is probably harsh to her.

[@printezstroman]

@@indecisive5365 I thought the Goa’uld brought the Egyptian gate to Earth after the first was lost.

[@Gatetraveller1]

@@printezstroman Ra arrived on Earth 10000 years ago and couldn’t locate where the Beta gate was (he may have never know it existed), so he went to another planet and stole their gate, which is the one in the SGC. He stole the Alpha gate before the Lanteans arrived back on Earth, so they would come through wherever Ra placed the new gate. Morgan is a Lantean, as Alteran existed 50 million years ago, where Lanteans existed 10000 years ago.

[@Marek31122]

First question should be how to create ZPM or where can they learn it

[@happisakshappiplace.6588]

I'm watching this and completely missed all the words due to the very pretty lady in white.

[@mouadrimwind8839]

Does someone know what is the ost playing in the background?

[@asvarien]

She says that it was only after several thousand years after Atlantis was abandoned that Merlin saw the threat the Ori could one day become. Yet from the Star Gate movie we know that the original Lanteans came from the place as the Ori, another galaxy far far away a very, very long time ago. So how is it that Merlin, a mere 8,000 years or so give or take observed the Ori and decided they were becoming a threat?

[@Frenki94]

Merlin was a bit of an outlier in the Ancient society. Considering he was building a weapon and Morgan was sent to stop him, it's quite probable he didn't agree with them not using the Ark of Truth and not outright dealing with the Ori from the start instead of running away.

[@lordsathariel4384]

@@Frenki94 iv got a feeling morgan and merlin are alot like janus they followed the majority orders in writing only which is why so many hidden ancient caches and bases appear to only have belonged to those 3 because their abit like garak for example in ds9 walking in the shadows to serve the light similar to how garak serves his people even as a exile these 3 in stargate despite being percieved geniuses and among the greatest ancients even among their own people at the time and other races like the asgard these 3 were forced to bend to the majority even tho they from what we see in the movies and tv series are some of the most clear thinking logical ancients about

[@xolotlnephthys]

Darn youths

[@NATIK001]

We don't know how long the Ori have pushed Origin like they would later do. We don't know when the Ori ascended, did they do it before or after the Ancients, or around the same time. We don't know what kind of contact the Ori and Ancients maintained after their breakup, but we know they had devices which could communicate between them and they still existed and worked at this point in time. Frankly there are many ways in which the Ori could become a threat requiring a weapon to fight them thousands of years ago, even when the schism between Ancients and Ori were millions of years old. After all it is suggested the plague which befell the Ancients in the Milky Way was Ori in nature, but given later information regarding the ascended Ori not knowing of the Milky Way's many humans, it seem the Ori assumed the Ancients wiped out by the plague when they left for Pegasus and wiped the galaxy with the Dakara device. Going by this information the Ori would have had to not be ascended at that point in time. So they must have ascended on a similar time scale to the Ancients, and probably later than the first Ancients, so the ascended Ancients could set up the "defense" of their human successors in anticipation of potential problems with the Ori. Personally I think the Ori grew to be a problem over time for the ascended, initially they were probably a non-threat but then they set up Origin and their threat started to escalate as their power grew with each additional human follower. Merlin predicted this threat would escalate indefinitely and decided that acting while the Ancients still had numerical superiority and could defend against the Ori was better than waiting for the Ori to become so powerful they could not be contained.

[@barneyrubble4293]

I think the Ori had not yet ascended by the time the Ancients left the Ori galaxy and it was only after ascending that Merlin became aware of them and the threat they posed thus prompting him to return to human form.

[@AckzaTV]

So these are the same beings on atlantis right? And they are the real life beings talked about by Kerry Cassidy and Alex collier right?

[@DarkArtsMage]

What's funny, is that one part of the "Ancients have a law-of-non-interference"! But all of them still break it, when it's convenient for them, by not interfering in the ones that do. or by punishing the ones that do, with half-measure-punishments... that do more harm for the universe than helps it! Just look at the Ancients not fully Un-Ascending Anubis!

[@Wonderboy46Z]

You have to absolutely love Vala! Zero fear!

[@marvinmartian6516]

can they make a new stargate based in ancient ruins on the moon and mars

[@SangsungMeansToCome]

Camelot! It's only a model!

[@Jason-ho8wr]

I guess the British accent has persisted for millennia

[@weekim3974]

Hmm... if the ancients were around the king Arthur era, wouldn't they have been around the same time the guaould was in control?

[@troybailey6904]

Why did the Humans not find out how to create a ZPM ?

[@kenisi_thedevilonhigh]

:)

[@crackwitz]

please fix the volume. this says -23.7 dB. that's not "a youtube glitch". that needs to be fixed in your video editing workflow. perhaps use a different program...

[@Ragitsu]

No suh.

[@gregmcmahon124]

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[@Ragitsu]

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[@rizon72]

The Ancients were one of the most annoying races in the Stargate universe.

[@crackwitz]

The Genii take the cake. They are insufferable. Deceptive, envious, treacherous, entitled, ... All of them even!

[@TheKingTywinLannister]

I disagree. The ancients were the best!!

[@Afanickton]

How were they annoying? Once you reach that level of godliness, interfering would do way more harm to a civilization than good. Especially for those in stargate command or atlantis. Not to mention telling someone outright where something is ruins the entire journey they would have to take to become a better person. Yeah the journey might be painful but it defines who you are and lessons are learned.

[@ItamarO93]

@@Afanickton Yeah, but they tended to interfere a lot before they acsended. They acted high and mighty, but tended to cause a lot of problems cuz they thought they were smarter than they actually were and had a tendency of being hypocritical. At the end, despite being "The Ancients", they were so very human.

[@peter4210]

@@crackwitz In the milky way, the tollans are the worse. Not only do they "not interfere" but they can't think for a moment to save their life from 1 Goa'uld ship.

[@christianresel8051]

1:30 and NONE OF THEM where smart enogh to basicaly JUST start mass producing drones and ZPM's (and yes, what jack build with the first knowledge of the acients was a MINI ZPM so that cant be THAT HARD for them) and send them to..... ATLANTIS FFS! Giving them INFINITE RESSORCES from a place the wraith cant attack would have ENDED the war. Atlantis with 3 ZPM's was strong enogh to counter the 40ish hives AT THE SAME TIME for YEARS(Yes, them hive ships come in limited numbers and while acients could pump out Aurora's en mass, a hive needs considerable time to grow, while producing a ZPM takes what? At tops a day? Drones? Honestly if we go back to full war industry of WW2 proportions then we would throw out our most modern weapons and ammunitions PER HOUR instead of PER YEAR!

[@esraeloh8681]

I really never understood the pushing & the pushing & the pushing for more when they knew exactly what was going to happen & that she'd then be far less able to help again, I mean, talk about obviously shooting your own feet off, seriously, for Daniel not to just understand that intuitively. There's quite obviously tollerances to what people do, it's literally how all of our society & law works, there's not many other ways to go about it, because ultra hard lines can very easily become blood baths, there's obviously inherent tollerances in everything. I mean just look at our fking world right now, the untold horrors going on right now & for the past 400 days for both sides, just meat in a pit of hell wrought purely by Putin, there's natural tollerances on both sides, what Putin threatens & barks at the world, & what the world does back.