Stargate SG-1 - Season 10 - The Road Not Taken - Sam meets Alternative Hammond

The biggest difference between the other Hammond and our own: "Goa'uld" versus "Ghould".
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[@matthiasheger]

Ja

[@mattwho81]

No matter how wacky or outrageous the episode General Hammond always had an air of gravitas about him. He brought a sense of realism to the show no other sci-fi had.

[@Ragitsu]

Hammond the Rock.

[@Muscles_McGee]

Liked that actor in the original Twin Peaks.

[@williambrown2830]

He was an officer in the U. S. Army IRL.

[@LabradorIndependent]

Not that I don't like Landry, but there's something reassuring about seeing Hammond in command - even if it is a parallel universe

[@TessaBain]

Probably the fact that Davis actually was an army captain at one point in his life who was at least near actual combat, if not directly involved, rather than basically just an actor. Write what you know is just as valid a notion for actors. Bridges had coast guard reserves but that's not exactly the same thing. Especially not during the time he was in it when nothing was going on and they weren't involved in anything.

[@mandya.8203]

@@TessaBain He was also a Major in Twin Peaks.

[@Administrator_O-5]

This was near the time his health was taking a downturn & he was forced to limit his screen time. If you notice he's a lot slimmer here than previous episodes. I mean no disrespect to the others, but General George Hammond will always be the true & natural leader of the SGC...RDA was promoted to Brig. General & given command of the SGC because he wanted to cut back on his screen time as well, not for anything wrong, he was just spending too much time away from his daughter & she was more important to him. Which is a perfectly understandable position to take, you only have a set number of years that are special with your children before they grow up. He also wasn't willing to just up & leave the show either. The periodic Jack appearances in later SG-1 & SGA were the result of that compromise. Like Star Trek, SG-1 & SGA both had phenomenal casts that were not just outstanding actors, but good people that worked well with others.

[@mitchellgurney4390]

Landry had a more aloof way about him , Hammond Is like the grandpa who's gonna be understanding but tell you straight on what you need to do

[@Meushell]

I gave up on the show before this, so I have no opinion on Landry…but…Hammond is awesome. He will always be awesome. Don S. Davis, RIP, you are awesome.

[@BaseDeltaZero1972]

Young Hammond, alternative reality Hammond, real Hammond - they are all top blokes. Godspeed, Don. You gave us a great character.

[@Doctorme4]

Splendid chaps. All of him. :)

[@marpfel]

You forgot Hammond of Texas ;-)

[@Ragitsu]

Don't omit MistHammond.

[@Lyze]

I really like how Hammond handles this situation. He wants Carter's help, she just wants to get home because her own dimension is more important to her. Okay, that's fine, we'll help you. But if you want to get home, you're going to have to help us because if you don't we all die. No threats, no appeals to emotions just a frank statement that we'd love to help you but you're going to have to help us to do that. Very diplomatic and rational.

[@FiXato]

Also, you don't have nearly as much time as you think you need 😂

[@Reoh0z]

They wrote Hammond as a great leader.

[@lionlord8784]

Even in such a situation, Hammond was the most capable, reasonable, understanding and diplomatic commander ever.

[@jeric_synergy8581]

1) Love seeing Hammond again. 2) Holy smokes, Amanda Tapping is so beautiful.

[@masonbricke4568]

Amanda was, for my money, the most beautiful woman on television at the time. Her character was capable, wholesome, sweet and utterly brilliant. Wonderful. 😊

[@fr9714]

Hammond was the perfect boss imo. He would stand up for you but not let you slack or bullshit him. He earned his respect and command. People also felt reassured in his command presence yet also felt his authority.

[@shadowenergyAI]

"people panicked. there was rioting in the streets." oh so a normal Tuesday in our timeline

[@Awelbeckk]

*Thursday

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

Our timeline: Omg please I hope some Alien invade us.

[@lamelama22]

I really liked General Hammond here, and the breakdown of the situation. One nitpick though, that bugged me when I saw this when it first aired... their main concern is power generation, and Sam says that there are lots more ZPMs available on Atlantis; and they totally just ignore that and focus on the lack of international cooperation. Their next statements should've been: "how do we get to Atlantis?" and "how hard / how long would it take to recover ZPMs / other tech/weapons from Atlantis, given what you know?". Then to keep this story on track, Sam could just give 1-2 lines about it being really difficult. Edit: It was really nice seeing Hammond again. It was like seeing an old friend. If I recall correctly, they also wrote his scenes here to not stress him too much, since his health was in decline; which actually made this scene better, since he was super serious & direct & methodical; rather than the occasional emoting / outburst 'our' Hammond had.

[@inybisinsulate]

Would have been an odd universe, roughly 40 years to develop the wraith killing drug, spread it all across Pegasus meanwhile deadbolting towards the hidden ZPM modules like space wizards. Come to think of it why haven't they used the time machine, they should still have it around because they never went hunting for the Egyptian ZPM. A show being so long it'd be pretty ballsy to open a dozen cans of worms.

[@Finallast574]

Taonas

[@FakeJeep]

There are other headaches going that route which Carter likely would have been against. In universe 1(u1) the remaining zpm on atlantis was near depletion and there's no telling if the wraith were awake in u2 or not. There's a possibility that u2's atlantis had already collapsed under the ocean, and that's even if they could generate the power to dial it. Could be a death trap, waste of time, waste of power.

[@justicedemocrat9357]

OMG no one cares about atlantis that's why the show flopped and was canceled stop crying about atlantis.

[@joelellis7035]

@@justicedemocrat9357 the show got 5 seasons. I don't think that's a "flop".

[@xinixini1826]

When you get isekaid and the king is like "sorry for summoning you and all, but the bigbad is attacking and we, while having the power to abduct people from other universes or realities, are completely unable to do anything. Please, forget all YOUR problems and fix ours first."

[@estellemelodimitchell8259]

I missed Stargate SG-1 so much! Even SGC from an alternate reality needs to be saved!

[@fredfolson5355]

Me too! There is nothing like this on the tube or the Internet any more.

[@michaelgalt388]

This episode is so relevant NOW! The last 2-3 season of Stargate SG-1 had some really good writing that has aged well. More character developments and poked fun of inconsistencies of prior seasons.

[@erictaylor5462]

She's like, "You guys are totally screwed."

[@warrenreid6109]

Great episode. I so miss those days.

[@Rensune]

The Best General in Fiction

[@B.Wayne1939]

There's No Better General than General George.S Hammond 🇺🇸🫡🇦🇺 In Any Universe, Whether a Colonel, Lieutenant or General, Hammond Is the Best 😊

[@michalsindler3931]

Good negotiating tactics from general Hammond

[@emdee7744]

I'd hope that people wouldn't panic or riot in the streets if such technology and possibilities were revealed to exist. Just the extraordinary potential for development in knowledge, the chance to learn from the richness of other cultures, the room for growth in medicine, science, tech, even mundane things like fashion and cuisine. What a wonder that would be.

[@aliciaborth3016]

The saying goes, "A person is smart, people are dumb".

[@harrykim400]

Are these the same people where Polio is making a comeback due to nothing but sheer ignorance ? I'm sorry but I feel your hopes are unjustified.

[@willia3r]

You are very hopeful about humanity. But I suppose someone has to be. Good luck with that one.

[@starhawke380]

2 years ago people panicked and rioted because they thought we were running out of toilet paper... I cant imagine the people of this country if they found out the government had access to other worlds, higher technology, medical devices and space travel, and chose to keep it secret. It would not be pretty. It might make the "peaceful protests" of 2020 seem peaceful though...

[@raymondhsu6407]

Or that they’d be rioting in *other* countries, not in the one that was benefiting from all the tech

[@b.3397]

This is the episode where Carter makes earth disappear outta phase, so the ORI cant shoot and hurt the planet. One of my fav episodes.

[@jjbinx]

BRING BACK STARGATE ATLANTIS!

[@daryl198920]

Then we die with our Asgard brothers and sisters in glorious battle 🍺

[@RecklessFables]

Imagine a universe where the Ori run into the Klingons or BORG.

[@daryl198920]

@@RecklessFables their we be no battle because Klingon would die very easily and Borg would sucome to the virus they’ve got lol the ori are more powerful than the enemy in Star Trek because of the ori knowledge is godly almost

[@trelane88]

@@daryl198920 Klingons? You are correct. Borg? Eh, no. The Borg would have no trouble with the Ori. Maybe the first few cubes. After that? Nope. Hell, all they have to do is assimilate ONE piece of Ori tech and it's game over at that point.

[@daryl198920]

@@trelane88it takes one virus to kill billions of Borg yer they can be able to assimilate one but at what cost the collective won’t cope don’t forget the ori control an entire galaxy of their own so bye bye Borg

[@trelane88]

@@daryl198920 they have used the virus trick at least a couple of times in canon trek. Both times it killed a lot of Borg, and both times the Borg came back because there are quite literally trillions of them. In more than one quadrant of the galaxy. Even if the virus killed half of them, as soon as the others, now equipped with the assimilated tech, show up, it's game over. Remember, it only takes 1. If it costs a billion Borg, or 10 billion Borg, who cares? You just better hope the Borg never assimilated a replicator. Oh GOD that would be bad.

[@THEMAX00000]

This is how I feel during midterms and finals

[@Maddie-zv3gv77]

I wish got to see Alternative Hammond wearing a blue leather jacket.

[@thomas.parnell7365]

I suspect after cloaking the planet and Sam giving them a detailed list of items and groups to seek contact with and planets to search that universes sgc be driving out the ori within 5 years after intense negotiating a new united nations defense fleet is agreed building their own fleet of 20 bc 304s and 303s capable of cloaking out of phase .and in process beaming mk 9s into their engine rooms destroying or disabling them. After stealing a crippled Ori ships primary weapons specifications.the upgraded fleet proceeds to gradually retake the Galaxy.

[@KS-xk2so]

George should definitely have 3 stars on his shoulder by now... kind of weird he doesn't.

[@andyh4518]

You only get to be a three (or four) star general if the position requires it. Head of the SGC apparently doesn't, so Hammond stayed at 2.

[@KS-xk2so]

@@andyh4518 Isn't there only one 4 star general at a time? Also, considering this is a world where the Stargate is public knowledge, you'd think they'd want a Lt. General running that show, no? Meh, either way, throw my man George a bone god dammit lol

[@Utubesuperstar]

@@KS-xk2so there are multiple at one time however there is only one 4 star in charge of each branch

[@Seadog7981]

@@Utubesuperstar There are currently 43 active-duty four-star officers in the uniformed services of the United States: 16 in the Army, 3 in the Marine Corps, 9 in the Navy, 10 in the Air Force, 2 in the Space Force, 2 in the Coast Guard, and 1 in the Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. Of the eight federal uniformed services, the NOAA Commissioned Officer Corps is the only service that does not have an established four-star position.

[@samj1185]

Politics man! I blame Kinsey.

[@anonymator]

What bugged me when I saw it way back then. The priors could have reported 'disappeared' Earth to their masters. The Ori ,being what they are, would have guessed what Carter did. Let's say the ships couldn't immediately counteract the out of phase cloak, but they could have parked near by and waited for Earth to reappear or they could have destroyed Moon or Sun.

[@DomWeasel]

At this point the Ori weren't ready to battle the Ascended Ancients in the Milky Way. They were still building up their strength by converting planets across the galaxy.

[@KS-xk2so]

Also, I assume they are looking to convert large chunks of the Earth's population. Remember, Earth has like 6 billion people on it. It's probably one of the more populated planets in the Milky Way. If they destroy the Sun, they'd just kill everyone. They are looking to beat the piss out of Earth first, then convert the remaining 4 or 5 billion people after conquest into worshippers.

[@anonymator]

@@KS-xk2so Good point. But rememner in that parallel reality Earth was probably one of the few (if not the only one) who has already managed to fight an Ori ship off. Such impudence could not have gone unanswered.

[@YouthRightsRadical]

Remember that Merlin's cloak was specifically designed to hide you from ascended beings. The Priors could report back, but the Ori would have no way of knowing what actually happened, whether the planet was destroyed, moved elsewhere, or what.

[@danieljackson1272]

​@@DomWeaselThat always bothered me about the storyline between the ancients and the ori. Why would the ori need to convert dozens of worlds to gain power to be able to battle the ancients? As ascended beings, wouldn't they have the same level of power? After all, the ancients never forced anybody to worship them.

[@dirdib69]

Hammond was just right - RIP Don S. Davis.

[@ringo8410]

I've never watched Stargate (I know, I'm probably missing out) but this seems like the SG-1 equivalent of the Star Trek TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise". Kinda.

[@spasjt]

Yes you are definitely missing out. While I LOVE me some Trek, Sg1 was something special. When you watch it, as I hope you will do with a forgiving attitude for the first few episodes as the show was still finding its footing, I think you'll agree it's either 2nd to your favorite Trek show or it's even better than Trek.

[@Gunth0r]

@@spasjt Arguably the three elements that made me cringe the hardest were the "finding Sha're" arc, the episode with the "mongolians" and the episode with the pacifist race of wood elves sort of :D Everything else from SG1/Atlantis/Universe, but mostly SG1 is a damn good trip and by God, I'm gonna start watching SG1 again.

[@lamelama22]

Not really, it's got it's roots in the TNG episode Parallels, where Worf goes to other parallel universes. At the end we see an Enterprise from a universe where they didn't stop the Borg from conquering the Federation. SG-1 has a really good early episode where Daniel goes to a different universe where the Go'uld are in the process of invading & conquering Earth; very similar. Parallels was in the last season of TNG, & other than the mirror universe episodes in later shows, it was never really revisited. SG-1 and its spinoff Atlantis basically followed up with several other episodes involving parallel universes; this is one of them. There's a late SG-1 episode where something goes wrong w/ the gate & it connects to other universes, this episode where Carter gets accidentally teleported to a different universe, an Atlantis ep where an alternate Rodney (scientist character) shows up from his universe, and a fun Atlantis episode where a ship they're on starts jumping from one universe to the next (like Worf was, but the whole ship). There might be more but that's what I remember offhand. Edit: omg I forgot the direct sequel episode where an alt non-military Carter & alt-still alive Kowalski transport themselves to the main universe as it's been conquered, and then our heroes have to try & help the alternate universe. In terms of "Yesterday's Enterprise", it's most similar to a late SG-1 episode where they go back in time to ancient Egypt when the Go'uld were still on Earth to steal a piece of tech. But they screw up, and end up creating an alternate timeline. In this alternate timeline, we see alternate versions of all the main characters, like in TNG where we have the alternate wartime crew (including an alive Tasha); and just like in TNG, they learn history has been wrongly changed, and that they need to go back in time to restore the original timeline & fix things.

[@Ragitsu]

@@lamelama22"Ours is the only universe of consequence."

[@gnarlin4964]

No pressure.

[@Marconius6]

The point about diplomatic fallout is interesting, since in the main timeline foreign governments were made secretly aware of the Stargate program. I guess in this timeline that never happened either.

[@MrIronhat]

Was this the actor's last appearance before his death?

[@Frankie2012channel]

No, His appearance in the movie Stargate Continuum was his last.

[@davidd837]

How do you power the chair without drones?

[@lamelama22]

The chair isn't powered by drones, it's powered by "energy". Normally, this energy is from ZPMs (basically super advanced batteries made by the race called Ancients). Drones are the missiles it fires (or bullets if you want to think of them like that). They have drone ammo, but they are out of the batteries. As for *how* they power it; in both SG-1 and Atlantis, they were able to power up Ancient technology (including the chair) from "regular" real world power sources, like electricity, and from portable generations. More details below: In later seasons of SG-1 they had portable "naquadah generators", basically mini generators the size of a backpack, based on technology from the Go'uld race, which ran on the fictional alien mineral naquadah and were more powerful than a giant nuclear reactor, though nowhere near as powerful as a ZPM. It could fully power up Ancient tech like computers, lights, and even the small flying ships without any issues; or it could temporarily power Ancient tech like shields or weapons, or run them, but not at full power. Later in this episode, it is revealed that this alternate USA has been building up infrastructure to pump all of the electricity from the entire country's generators into the chair to power it up (basically every oil, gas, coal, & nuclear reactor, + solar/wind). It's kinda funny b/c we see Carter literally hook up 2 normal wires to the Ancient device, like the kind you would use for a car battery. But if you tried to put that much electricity through that size of wire in real life, it would immediately melt & catch on fire. The "wires" that power the lights at sports stadiums, for example, are like 10-12 feet wide (3-4 meters). :D

[@alancarnell2747]

Sounds like quite the pickle...

[@anonnymouse2402]

Volume?

[@Ragitsu]

Capacity?

[@Notalawyer101]

@@Ragitsu - I see what you did there.

[@BobSmith-dk8nw]

Yeah. I watched all ten years of this multiple times and bought all the DVD's. This was so good and had such a good cast. Everyone in the cast was great at what they did. I could never get into Atlantis. They had this one guy in there where watching him was like "nails on a chalk board" for me. If you don't now what that's like - be glad. Rainbow Sun Franks - was this guys name. Can you imagine the parents that would give a boy a name like that? The other thing was Rachel Luttrell did nothing for me. Torrie Higginson - was good but - she played the part of "The General" and we didn't get to see much of her. So - I watched it for a while but then stopped. SGU was just awful. Don Davis was great. The big thing though was that Amanda Tapping was just fucking gorgeous. I just loved watching her ass as she walked up to the gate. One of the most beautiful women ever on Television - and she was on a Sci Fi Show running around with a sub machine gun. Hot Girls with Guns! Doesn't get any better than that. .

[@brandonhammond4953]

Maybe... 🤔 This was the universe where a bird pooped on his car shortly followed by a dead criminal.

[@Ragitsu]

Huh?

[@brandonhammond4953]

@@Ragitsu obviously you never seen a Nice Cage movie where Hammond made a guest appearance.

[@DomWeasel]

@@Ragitsu Con Air reference. Don S. Davis has a bit part playing a driver who has a corpse crush his car after being dropped out of a plane.

[@roll3park143]

volume is so low

[@Ragitsu]

Use a larger container.

[@raymurphy2182]

The ori would have no chance against a couple of Klingon battle cruisers and a star destroyer

[@Romir0s]

Sound is too quite, maybe you want to increase the volume up before uploading.

[@brownro214]

Quiet

[@oatlord]

I thought he passed before the Ori.

[@jonathanryan9946]

No, he retired before the Ori, but died 3 years later. His death date was between the conclusion of season 10 and the start of the Continuum movie. Though there in an alternate universe Hammond in the film, sadly that Hammond never meet the members of SG1. In real life Don S Davis died a month before Continuum was released.

[@Frankie2012channel]

@@jonathanryan9946 I was so sad when Don S. Davis died. Hammond was my all time favorite Military Commander in Fiction. He was the BEST leader anyone could hope for.

[@theetiologist9539]

I'm kind of happy I stopped watching stargate at the beginning of season 8. Jack and Carter dont get marreid, and it never really ends. It just keeps getting weirder. The writers really should have let this one go. Carter did a great job through the whole thing though.

[@Revkor]

there are regualtions agaisnt that kind of thing. which is why in season 4 with the time loop jack reisgns so he can kiss her

[@DavidSmith-fs5qj]

For me the decline set in during season seven, losing Dr Fraiser(for no good reason), seeing less of Hammond, the dynamics of SG-1 changing, just wasn't the same.

[@DomWeasel]

@@DavidSmith-fs5qj I liked the changes. Military commands are not static and you can't keep the status quo forever. Life doesn't work that way. I liked seeing Jack get the promotion he deserved for his service. I liked seeing the members of SG:1 leading their own lives. As for Frasier's death, most military deaths are abrupt and anti-climactic. The military always tells the families that they died on some vital mission performing some heroic act when the majority of the time, they were killed either in some truly horrific manner (Burned alive in a vehicle that struck an IED) or completely randomly (patrol in the arse-end of nowhere and the only one hit in an ambush), and their death achieved nothing. At least Janet stabilised her patient and he got to live to see his daughter.

[@DavidSmith-fs5qj]

@@DomWeasel It's all about opinions, like i say, for me, the decline truly set in, as for Fraiser dying, we hardly see her, what kind of tribute is that, when the person isn't a big part of the drama? It would have been better to have Wells die, this would have had the more emotional impact of seeing his newly born daughter, who would grow up never seeing her farther, and his wife left to bring her daughter up alone. There could also have been the question of disclosure, his wife wouldn't know that her husband had died on an alien world.

[@DavidSmith-fs5qj]

@@cfssuperhero In an alternate reality episode, it was never going to happen in anything other than these episodes.

[@user-hv3qd3yl6j]

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[@arielg7000]

so not cool