Stargate SG-1 - Season 5 - 2001 - Plot revealed / Crisis averted

With their plan fully exposed and the pretense of friendly relations gone, Sam tries to save Earth from the Aschen.

[@Ragitsu]

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[@xadam2dudex]

Would it be possible to turn up the volume on the videos ? Even on full volume it is hard to hear

[@Ragitsu]

@@xadam2dudex I know of no way to permanently raise the (inherent) volume level of an already uploaded video.

[@xadam2dudex]

@@Ragitsu you have to do it when uploading .. I was referring to future uploads

[@tumbles8350]

What the fuck are you talking about, the only reference to conspiracy stories is your post.

[@eisenklad]

@@xadam2dudex there are plugins on browsers to raise the volume higher than what's uploaded.. just be prepared to turn it back down when you open another video in same tab

[@kevinh811]

Always felt bad for the ambassador. Especially since no one besides Carter seems to give him a passing thought.

[@zorkmid1083]

And he could've been Carter's soul mate as well. Too bad.

[@reelsoffortuneslotsplay4267]

And in another timeline... they married

[@Elydir]

I kinda feel that instead of staring at each other at 3:00 , he could have just jumped over the railing. Yes, the landing at SGC would be very rough, he'd probably break some bones. Still seems better than staying.

[@Knight121198]

@@Elydir same

[@RedRidersTerraTrips]

I mean, he's probably still alive.

[@Foebane72]

Great episode for two reasons: 1. Catching the Aschen totally off-guard with the translation of the one word that is the key to their intentions for Earth. 2. Giving the Aschen a laptop filled with nasty Stargate addresses, a black hole being the least of their new problems.

[@cadengrace5466]

The worst thing is they gave them a Macbook.

[@spacetechempire510]

@@cadengrace5466 so like around 2 possibly 4 years of usefulness before it brakes

[@cadengrace5466]

@@spacetechempire510 It is crap right out of the box.

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

Still curious what can be worse than a black hole

[@cadengrace5466]

@@JoaoSoares-rs6ec Well falling into a Black Hole is relative to the perspective. It would take millions of years just to get tot he event horizon. So, there would be lots of time to think about it and a civilization might even come up with a way to escape before that threshold was reached, they do after all have a really long time to work on the problem. Something worse could be something that tortures you for ever or something else that prolongs the suffering.

[@moncystuff6089]

My favourite part is still O'neill holding up 3 fingers and yelling "2 l s"

[@Ragitsu]

Air Force Colonels just *love* birds.

[@chaosakazero]

He held up 2 fingers and wanted him to read between the lines (;

[@madcapmagician3130]

There's another O'Neil, with one 'L', but he has no sense of humour.

[@ChrisTian-ed8ol]

I have to admit my favorite O'Neil line is "WORKING ON MY BACK SWING!"

[@delcox8165]

@@ChrisTian-ed8ol How is it your favorite when the line is "in the middle of my backswing?!"?

[@MrCCollins1993]

I like to think that the Tau'ri visited the Aschen later, in their Asgard upgraded BC-304s and went all Asgard/5th Race on them. Beamed away all their weapons and gave them a firm warning to never harm another race ever again. Maybe Carter commanding the Hammond... 😊

[@Leviathis_Krade]

I saw some comments asking why the Aschen never made another appearance, and just remember that one of the gates at the top of the list is to a black hole; the Aschen are most likely super extinct.

[@Ragitsu]

Assuming they thwarted the black hole, they'd then have their hands full with any number of horrors.

[@erikkarlsson9843]

Given the effects when SGC dialed the black hole, they are probably still thinking they just opened the gate to it...

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

Or the Wraith found them tasty.

[@DraygaFlight]

Extinct, no, staying the hell away from SG1, heck yes... They want no part of any society that carries a list of black hole gate addresses!

[@neolexiousneolexian6079]

@@DraygaFlight ...Could you send the black hole *through* the gate, if its event horizon is small enough?

[@Daedalus-BC308]

3:19 "Speedy thing goes in, speedy thing goes out." - GLaDOS

[@philipwhiuk]

At some point they'll learn to make the ramp to the gate out of a material that is less bad if you land on it at speed.

[@Ragitsu]

Bumper-car rubber!

[@delcox8165]

Then it would be slippery when wet, and anyone disembarking not completely dry would have a far more humiliating tumble.

[@thomas.parnell7365]

Like a playgrounds spongy materials for example ?

[@amandasunshine2]

It's easier to wash the blood and guts and alien goo

[@JnEricsonx]

@@delcox8165 Somehow I read that in Teal'C's voice, the phrasing just....fits.

[@ciphernine7824]

Beginning with 1987's Robocop, Ronny Cox has shown us how much fun it is to play the villain. RDA's irreverent portrayal of O'Neill never disappoints.

[@CitizensCommunity]

"The first being a black hole and all, they get progressively darker after that" haha that must be dark indeed.

[@wvanyar1801]

So has anyone figured out what as darker than a black hole? I’m not remembering anything worse than a a black hole.

[@CitizensCommunity]

@@wvanyar1801 Well these ideas would backfire on the SGC for the same reasons, but an address to the replicators or ORI would be worse as the damage spreads?

[@wvanyar1801]

@@CitizensCommunity, the only thing I can think of is maybe the Asgard or the Nox, as they don't need the Ashen tp help them. But they were given five addresses.

[@lexxstrum]

Wasn't there one where they devolved into more primitive states? But yeah, the Black Hole was pretty much the worst they got from the first 5 seasons? I mean, you could serve the Aschen up to the Goa'uld on a platter, but that might make things worse.

[@DrTolis]

@@lexxstrum in one of the alternate timeline episodes (forgot which one), the SG1 encountered the Aschen homeworld instead of this planet, and the Aschen wiped the Goa'uld from existence with a biologocal weapon.And then they used the same sterility vaccine on Earth's population. So the Aschen were more than a match for the Goa'uld

[@Ragitsu]

Robert Moloney as "Borren" looks like a fusion of "Data" (Brent Spiner) and the "T-1000" (Robert Patrick).

[@JustSomeRandomIdiot]

Shame we never got to see the Ashen dialing the gate to the black hole world and their reactions.

[@musicalaviator]

Haha these taur'i are gonna regret this. *Chevron 7 locks* Ashen disappears through the stargate like water down a plug hole.

[@jackychang9148]

You'd think that the Stargates would have some sort of safety feature to deactivate gates within cosmic danger zones under the influence of dangerous things including Black Holes.

[@musicalaviator]

@@jackychang9148 the DHDs do. But earth don't use DHDs. Not sure what Achen use.

[@jackychang9148]

@@musicalaviator Yes but what about the DHD on the Black Hole Planet? Because of the time dilation, you'd think it'd stutter, or time out the connection, or realize that something is wrong. Unless in the weird way time works, even with the time dilation, the DHD would make the connection (because the electrical signals are still going at their supposed times even if it's being affected at a constantly changing rate). I think the DHD on the Aschen side would just disconnect because of a timed out connection. That is, of course, if the DHDs are allowed to do so. Who knows? Maybe the Ancients programmed them to make a connection no matter what?

[@JustSomeRandomIdiot]

@@jackychang9148 If it was designed under human safety laws, definitely wouldn't shoot out unstable wormholes that destroy anything they touch without some kind of safety guardrail extending around the dangerous area first.

[@abztrakt7071]

Lol Carter was trying not to laugh at Jack's sarcastic joke 😂😂😂

[@lvlc6023]

The Ashen were clever. That's a shame we don't so them often in the series. They could have been good badies with the other ones.

[@amandasunshine2]

They could've been Milky Way's Genii I really hated those mfers

[@lvlc6023]

@@amandasunshine2 That's right. But I guess SG-1 got to many enemy.

[@rekrn12345]

In the comics the black hole gate destroyed their home world. Only a few still exist and their power is greatly reduced.

[@derianvandalsen]

Maybe they get back in the upcoming series?

[@thomas.parnell7365]

@@derianvandalsen who knows but that said only a idiot tests a gate address on your home world off a race just foiled your plans .you would at least think in passing thought maybe use on the outer farm planets or a Stargate in a ship right beyond. The edge of furthest star in case .they clearly had ships of some kind .

[@B-26354]

_"We better get an extraction team together to rescue the Ambassador."_ _"No, no... We should just leave him trapped off world forever."_ _"Oh Ok... Sounds reasonable."_

[@Ragitsu]

I wonder if they figured he was a lost cause (thanks to the deadly Stargate addresses in the hands of the Aschen).

[@fatman123526]

The Ashen had no reason to believe that their bio weapon hadn't worked. So it was better for earth to play dead at that moment. The ambassador knew what he was doing when he didn't jump over the rail.

[@fourthhorseman4531]

@@fatman123526 And maybe it's a little hokey, but I liked the idea that the mild mannered ambassador was willing to go out a hero and fight to save his planet.

[@taloutezero]

Ok, interesting idea. Knowing what resources they had at the time of that episode, what would be their best move in terms of attempting that?

[@IsleOfFeldspar]

So many times they were smart and outwitted the bad guys……then ruined it all by allowing themselves to be so easily deceived by the replicators when they gave them the knowledge to defend against one of only two weapon technologies capable of breaking the bonds between replicator blocks.

[@Ragitsu]

Yeah...that made me angry.

[@richtea615]

'The first one being a black hole...' Funny that we never heard from the Aschen again. 🙄

[@musicalaviator]

almost like they got sucked into a black hole or something.

[@Egilhelmson]

This was the second Aschen episode. In the first, Carter married the character who was here “Ambassador”, Earth accepted the Aschen offer despite Jack’s misgivings, and some time later, SG1 end up dying to toss a note to SGC in the past to NOT dial the Aschen main number. In this episode, they dialed a world that had accepted the Aschen offer a couple centuries earlier, and discovered the downside of the Aschen making all their dreams come true.

[@DragonChild069]

There was a 'novel' where they came back because one of the Aschen guy's (the one who said 'lock them in') wife wanted revenge because he died when they used the black hole address.

[@davidlewis5312]

according to a book apparently they dialed the first address from their homeworld and got sucked through the gate... the whole planet. Though that does contradict that when the SGC was trying screw with someone, they were able to dial that gate. Who did they cause a supernova on (grab a gate, dial black hole, chuck gate into sun, let it drain the star's mass until boom!

[@Hammerhead137]

🎵Major Carter's falling down, falling down, falling down, Major Carter's falling down, close the iris!🎵

[@Ragitsu]

She's gotta fly like an eagle.

[@Kaida760]

"Jack's fair lady"

[@danielyeshe]

Hang on. If Carter hadn't sent her IDC the iris would have been closed so how was the bomb supposed to work?

[@anteas0184]

Go away with your logic, we dont need that in our SciFi universe :D

[@danielyeshe]

@@anteas0184 I Mr Spock, Tuvok, Seven and Mr Data would disagree!

[@anteas0184]

@@danielyeshe I see I once again fell victim to the difficulty of expressing irony and sarcasm in written text on the internet.

[@melissamiranti4858]

The Aschen would have likely requested that the iris be opened before firing, and the diplomatic situation would have likely overridden protocol. By Carter coming through the iris beforehand in obvious distress and telling them to close the iris at the right time, she ensured that the weapon would hit the iris instead.

[@amandasunshine2]

@@melissamiranti4858 also it would be unlikely they'd get another chance to gate back to earth

[@bazfish2904]

always wondered why the ambassador didnt just jump off and carter do what she done - both wouldve made it

[@Foebane72]

The Ambassador was fighting the Aschen the whole time Carter was doing her thing, trying to keep them distracted, I suppose.

[@bazfish2904]

@@Foebane72 i realise that but there is that moment when he looks over the edge and tells carter to go - thats when i meant, why didnt he just jump then and carter wouldve followed him....i know it was more dramatic the way it was shown but still ....

[@Foebane72]

@@bazfish2904 Perhaps he wasn't sure about the Stargate? Carter is very familiar with how they work, but he had nowhere near the experience she had. I just don't know.

[@RogerMSanderson]

The Ambassador yelled Go and then was tackled by the Ashen, had he tried to climb onto the railing to jump over they still would have grabbed him.

[@knutritter461]

@@bazfish2904 You might have realized that Carter could have just jumped into it, too. But she did not.... although this is science fiction.... I think it's about inertia! Imagine the worm hole was about 10 m down.... if you jumped into it from that height you would exit it on the other side with the same speed. Carter flew a good distance on the other side.... the ambassador would have smashed against the concrete/glass wall at the end of the gate-room.

[@craigkirsch9699]

What terrible and very effective weapon. Give a solution to a problem but secretly destroy a whole species. I love how the writers always brought some history into this show. Made you think.

[@Ragitsu]

What history?

[@dustojnikhummer]

@@Ragitsu Chemical warfare I suppose?

[@soupsoup6813]

@@Ragitsu There are unfortunately some awful events in history like the Tuskegee Syphilis Study

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

@@Ragitsu In the real world, the "aid" the West dumps on poor nations is weaponized. They take their own surplus goods and then flood the developing nation's markets with free goods. This drives the local farmers out of business, who are forced to sell out to big multinational agri-corps, who use the land to grow cheap cash crops like pineapples, coffee, and berries for Western tables. When the aid runs out, the local people are now even worse off than they were before, forced to slave for the multinationals to buy expensive, foreign-grown food.

[@florisv559]

@@Ragitsu Think of the sterilization of Native American women during the 1960s and 1970s.

[@ScorpiusZA.]

Progressively darker after stating the blackhole address? Trying to remember worse than that.

[@Ragitsu]

"Message in a Bottle" -> A hive-mind microbial life form that absorbs all the energy you throw at it and is able to possess you. "Bane" -> Aerial alien insects that transform their victims into more of their own kind (via mutagenic venom). "Watergate" -> Sentient water that is able to possess you. "Entity" -> An electronic life form that can control computer systems and is able to possess you. With the black hole, the game is over more-or-less instantly; at best, you _may_ be able to escape via a spaceship/starship or perhaps stumble across the "nuke the gate" solution. With the other planets, you are tackling unconventional horrors that cannot always be countered with brute force.

[@ScorpiusZA.]

@@Ragitsu I always considered those lesser horrors, but i guess there is logic in what you say

[@stephenrichards2639]

Black hole is kinder

[@kalinystazvoruna8702]

@@Ragitsu Watergate? Ha! So that's where Doctor Who got the idea for Waters of Mars.

[@TheAgamemnon911]

Theres also still P3X-7763... And don't forget the (unnamed) adress that the SGC themselves ruined with a Naquadah enriched nuke.

[@Holty2k6]

would of loved to have seen the Aschen faces as they dial up the black hole planet would of been icing on the cake haha

[@Deltaflot1701]

I would imagine they would have an ashen look :D

[@greenhat8978]

Any episode where senator Kenzi got pissed off was a happy episode.

[@123RADIOactive]

O’Neill: *O’Neill..... 2 L’s!!!* *uses 3 fingers* Did..... was it my imagination or was that an attempt to give him the finger?

[@axel4196]

He wanted the good Senator to 'read between the lines'

[@varianschirmer9375]

Or a reverse of the Disney Christmas gag when Marley (Goofy) tells Scrooge he'll be visited by 3 spirits... holding up 2 fingers...

[@deathtoll5000x]

Ambassador Ted Beneke Also, not the same guy, but, same inter-franchise connection: Col. Everett "Declan" Young (From SGU)

[@Ragitsu]

Samantha Carter: "IFJ".

[@mattboesch8907]

There was going to be a third episode called "Judgment" where the Aschen put Earth on trial for screwing them over. but it never happened

[@Nephron89]

What annoys me most is in season 10 when the writers said they were running out of ideas but we still needed episodes like that. There’s a book that goes into it tho

[@mattboesch8907]

@@Nephron89 which one?

[@arakwar]

I prefer to think that the aschen got stuck with the black hole and their colonies finally got free from their opression.

[@adrianpopagh]

@@mattboesch8907 Look for Stargate: Return of the Ancients. Well written fan fiction that brings back these guys.

[@tomascernak6112]

@@Nephron89 With end of SG-1 show, Tauri had access to technology superior even to ascended ancients. Taking into consideration, that SG-1 was always schematicall show with more and more powered main bad guys for season, who would be their new foe? They simply reached zenith of storybuilding. And taking levels down did not worked well in SGU. Audiences simply did not believed to that.

[@TheTrueCallen151]

I love the smirk that Hammond gives O'Neill 😂😂

[@demontooth0428]

Nobody gets left behind. Except for the ambassador who no one cares about. Such a strange reaction from Hammond and the boys.

[@Ragitsu]

Black hole?

[@demontooth0428]

@@Ragitsu ambassador faxon from season 5 ep 10. 2001.

[@Ragitsu]

@@demontooth0428 I meant that they probably thought he was likely irretrievable due to the black hole that the Aschen would soon encounter.

[@analise17]

Yeah... a little too cleanly wrapped up with forgetting the ambassador that disappeared on US soil... several million light years away. I never bought into the idea of him being Sam's soulmate -- although he seemed an ok match until the whole "sorry I went behind everyone's back and screwed our species, honey" thing. Between the awful options of a black hole, a 'test subject' for the human bioweapon, and just straight up torture for a prisoner of war (you know their going to extract any and all information from him). Either that or he was the 'thump' on the Iris but I'd imagine the wouldn't have disengaged the Stargate without sending the bioweapon. Hey... how *does* the Stargate know when to shut off? The Alterans just program it with the 38 min mark? What if someone else had to use it and it became grand central station? I wouldn't want to wait around all day in line. Crap did I just find another plot device. X(

[@Josh-oj9mm]

@@analise17 he's not several million light years away, the milky way is only 100,000 light years wide

[@mpittard21]

Heez the fact they left someone behind to die... who by the eay couldnt he just jump headfirst past carter into the wormhole? They mention him barely once in the wrap up conclusion.. then people are smiling... seems pretty callous

[@Ragitsu]

Yeah...that *is* troubling. Also, the Volian people (or what's left of them) will continue to be exploited by the Aschen. P.S. This series shows that getting into a relationship with Samantha Carter is a TERRIBLE idea.

[@mpittard21]

@@Ragitsu Totally. Mark of desth... or you become Pete and lose all personality. But the diplomat guy could of escape too by jumping. Guess it was done to give the conclusion some kick... which they laughed away anyway

[@Ragitsu]

@@mpittard21 Joe Faxon could have made a return if there had been a trilogy of Aschen episodes. There was a plan to bring back Narim, so why not this guy?

[@mpittard21]

@@Ragitsu The fact that a race like the aschen could exist alongside the go’auld is also odd. The go’auld would steip mine them for hosts and tech. Re the Tollans... i would of like to see Narim back as... a go’auld host. Perhaps Zipacna survived the bioweapon and took him as a host 😎 shake things up there . Or to be amusing.. a host for Klorel? He still needed a ride

[@mpittard21]

@@Ragitsu Also I just realised, they gave them an address for a Black Hole. So The Vollans suffer the same fate as the ASchen?

[@ThatRandomChannelTRC]

Would be nice if they bumped into them again....it would have been an awful but awesome enemy to continue

[@Ragitsu]

An Aschen trilogy? Neat.

[@philipwhiuk]

SG-1 Relativity

[@gerryfogarty8274]

@@philipwhiuk Is it possible to get 'Relativity' online or in a library?

[@rizon72]

To be fair, the gate addresses they gave the Ashen were not places the SGC were going to revisit anytime soon.

[@tomb7088]

I always thought that since they all those fairly potent star ships, they should swing by and pay the Aschen a visit, maybe with the same type of payload they visited upon the humanoid replicators in the Pegasus galaxy. Or even better, transfer a few thousand of those insects that when they sting they plant eggs. The ones that got Teal'c. Give them something to occupy their time for awhile.

[@savagebear4374]

Honestly I think the Aschen could be the greatest enemy SG-1 has faced. An enemy that pretends to be your friend and then slowly wipes out your species. Hopefully the horrors of those gate addresses finished them off. Although I can't imagine what can be worse than a Blackhole.

[@Ragitsu]

"I can't imagine what can be worse than a Blackhole." "Message in a Bottle", "Bane", "Watergate" and "Entity".

[@varianschirmer9375]

Maybe O'Neill gave them planet addresses like the one that gave the SGC holographically-disguised imposters in a foothold situation? Or the planet that the energy that came thru the gate took over Carter's body? Or the gate address to the planet of "the Giant Aliens" that had the high radiation levels? Or the planet in Solitudes that hit the wormhole with so much energy weapons it send O'Neill & Carter to Antarctica? Or maybe some gate addresses of Gou'ald strongholds as identified by SGC or Tokra? Am I the only one who would have loved to see the Aschen get a visit from a Ori Prior?

[@Warkive]

Progressively darker than a black hole? Sounds like my last airbnb.

[@alcoholandfun243]

Progressively darker AFTER the black hole 🕳 😅

[@blairbrown4812]

"O'Neill." "Two L's." Yet three fingers.

[@SapphireCrusader1988]

It's O'Neill's crafty way of flipping Kinsey the bird.

[@donaldstinnett5630]

Yes, that is what we just saw. Indeed.

[@Demun1649]

Sam does look gorgeous with the pixie cut hairdo.

[@Deltarious]

1:35 What is that? That's a Dalek exterminating someone!

[@Jerry_S.]

I've always wondered what could possibly be worse than a black hole?

[@demiserofd]

Hostile aliens, perhaps? A black hole will just wipe out one planet, aliens could take out all of them.

[@Iceflkn]

4:15 "2 LL's!" (Holds up 3 fingers)...guess O'Neill had an extra finger, just in case! 😉😜

[@jpalmer999]

I think it's safe to say given what we see when Carter goes through the star gate that it works the same way to portals in Portal. You continue to gain momentum :P

[@maestroamonathan4279]

im just a little confuse... the aschens dialled the gate to earth ..why did carter use her GDO code to open the iris.. the enemy dont have an idea about the iris... plot is not good... she can radio SG command and warn them

[@randyanderson4442]

What is with the volume on these videos?You can hardly hear them.Makes me very angry!

[@Ragitsu]

Apologies for the inconvenience.

[@ducknorris233]

Ted Beneke can’t catch a break.

[@CoolsBreeze]

Poor laptop was never heard or seen again lol.

[@davidchristiansen2858]

I'd like to think that the Stargates automatically download the main language of the planet so that incoming travelers would understand and be able to communicate. It's just my wish. It's obviously not the case, especially since our world has many languages.

[@ThePathStrider]

If that was the case, having the Stargate lowering the inertia of any object travelling through it to a safe level should be a feature.

[@tribbleq]

@@ThePathStrider Aww; but that would make firing weapons through it less effective!

[@ThePathStrider]

@@tribbleq it's not like you can see what you are shooting at anyway, without going through the gate yourself.

[@davidlewis5312]

they abandoned the whole reason Daniel is there way too quickly. LOL

[@seeinlay4details]

Excellent use of an itallian hitch. Of course, using it meant she would have needed to cut the rope and would have fallen a touch less hard if she hadn't. She also wouldn't have been able to cut the rope as it would have started feeding through the moment she let go to use her knife. (To be clear: no criticism of the actor or character is intended. This is entirely grumbling about Holywood never wanting to listen to experts in any field ever)

[@Ragitsu]

"Italian hitch"...is that the rope harness that Carter fashioned?

[@quillaja]

@@Ragitsu it's the part she tied around the railing. presumably she tied a bowline or something else around her waist or hips. the italian hitch is more commonly known as the munter hitch in the united states. it allows one to feed rope in a controlled manner or brake completely.

[@TheJECNova]

It DOES make you wonder, what worlds Jack thought were WORSE than a gate connected BENEATH the event horizon of a black hole of all things.

[@Fayanora]

What I never understood about the Aschen is how, if they're so smart, they never figured out on their own how to get access to the rest of the stargate network. They were doing things with stars in one episode, planning to turn Jupiter into a second sun or something... and they couldn't figure out the math for the astronomical drift to fix the addresses?

[@CanidRose]

I mean, first they'd have to figure out that stellar drift was the issue. Then, they'd have to guess gate addresses one by one, seeing as they didn't have the advantage of the Abydos cartouche. Even with a computer program to check addresses for them, it'd take ages, as there's no real way to test one without dialing it up and seeing what happens. Lastly, they'd already found a use for the Stargate; transport between their local worlds. It likely wasn't until they met Earth that they realized the Stargate had the potential for more.

[@analise17]

Going along with what has been said, I always though that somewhere in their history the Aschen gave up individuality, curiosity and creativity. Their morose attire, their lack of humor and their completely factual interests and technology all points towards a declined ability to think 'outside the box.' The fact that Mollem takes the gate addresses as viable at face value shows how their egos have totally outstripped their self-preservation. It just didn't occur to them that the SGC -- as a weaker and less technologically worthy opponent -- would give them less than useful information *despite* Carter blatantly admitting that they had basically figured them out. Basically, they were so distanced from their emotions and so sure of their superiority it never occurred to them to be cautious. Rereading it and going back to your actual question XD -- I think they just weren't interested. Basically, their lack of curiosity and interest in things outside their normal societal scope had them easily giving up.

[@davidchism6081]

@@analise17 like at the time of the sinking of Titanic?

[@greendragon0009]

Stargate - best gate!

[@SuperMasterTurtle]

Just gloss over that whole ambassador is still there dead or alive thing really? What happened to the "NO ONE LEFT BEHIND "?

[@Ragitsu]

I wonder if they figured the black hole swallowed him too.

[@zatnikatel1472]

Wonder what happened to the ambassador after that…

[@seriascannain6675]

I know this should be obvious but how are they able to dial Earth without a DHD or compensating for stellar drift? Does it not invalidate the 'gift' of giving the Ashen the gate addresses! I know it is possible they saw SG1 dialing Earth and then emulated them!

[@Ragitsu]

Perhaps they built their own dialing computer/program?

[@dakkenblah1450]

Wonder if any of those worlds happen to have a replicator infestation.

[@matt_1984_]

I kind of wonder if they ever sent the Daedalus to Ashen to see if the Ambassador was still alive...

[@notsureyou]

The way the Franchise should have gone / had an offshoot unlike "SGU"....... But that might have been just a little bit too similar to "Star Trek"

[@nikapol25]

Never understood why the ambassador guy didn't just jp after Carter put in her code,"Carter go," 4:17 and he hops over the railing. If he had time to tsk he had time to jump.

[@MikMoen]

Too bad they didn't continue the Aschen plotline. They're a cold, long lived, calculating people, highly advanced. It even said they arrived to that other world in ships instead of the Gate. Safe to assume they captured the Ambassador to milk him of everything he knows and will probably use Earth's Stargate address to get there conventionally in ships again.

[@rycs16]

I always thought Jack explaining the first address went to a black hole and us knowing what happens when you dial into a black hole implied the Ashen ceased to exist shortly after this episode.

[@wvanyar1801]

@@rycs16, But the Ashen home world did not have a gate so the Ashen could have dialed from one of their colonies and simply lost that planet. Or did they figure out how to move a gate (it has been a while since I watched those episodes with the Ashen).

[@rycs16]

@@wvanyar1801 I would think a race of beings capable of collapsing gas giants into new stars would be smart enough to figure out how to use the known gate points we gave them to do the math to re-orient a gate on their home world.

[@alanday5255]

This episode confused me, would not the iris have kept out the bio bomb?> So why did Carter, the smartest of us all, open it?

[@notsureyou]

I could be mistaken, But to escape, and she also hoped that the ambassador would also be able to escape. For me the confusing thing, was her not acting dumb. Instead letting them know that they knew what they were up to, so therefore they shouldn't trust the gate addresses......

[@AndyHerbert254]

So which gate addresses exactly are worse than the black hole...?

[@notsureyou]

Some other bad planets, The planet with the really large bugs (looked like dragonflies), The water planet, Potentially any Goa'uld "home world" The blackhole planet is bad, but potentially the Aschen might have been able to figure out how to disconnect, The planet with the big bugs may have posed a problem, but given the Aschen's knowledge of bio weapons, they MIGHT have been able to solve the problem, The water planet, could pose a problem if the Aschen don't "send a probe" first. Goa'uld home worlds have a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later. And that's just the worlds that SG1 visited, what the other teams have encountered is yet to be disclosed...... (cue "X-Files" theme music)

[@daviddewey2107]

Progressively darker after the black hole? that certainly begs a question.

[@Ragitsu]

One which I have answered multiple times in this very comment section :-).

[@RuinNationGaming]

they just left the guy behind wow

[@waynecranton4094]

It starts at black hole and gets DARKER from there? He REALLY didn't like them...

[@varianschirmer9375]

Maybe O'Neill gave them planet addresses like the one that gave the SGC holographically-disguised imposters in a foothold situation? Or the planet that the energy that came thru the gate took over Carter's body? Or the gate address to the planet of "the Giant Aliens" that had the high radiation levels? Or the planet in Solitudes that hit the wormhole with so much energy weapons it send O'Neill & Carter to Antarctica? Or the planet that Niriti made toxic (Cassandra's planet) so SG-1 could only visit it in HazMat suits? Or the address of the planet the cold dialing program found that SG-1 ended up fleeing under fire taking a friendly with who was never seen again..? Or the address Carter visited, the suns came out, and Carter would have cooked if O'Neill Ancient-Download enhanced brain hadn't generated DHD-fix-it instructions? Maybe Teal'c gave O'Neill some suggestions on the ultimate Do-Not-Visit these addresses? Or maybe some gate addresses of Gou'ald strongholds as identified by SGC or Tokra? Am I the only one who would have loved to see the Aschen get a visit from a Ori Prior?

[@walterengler5709]

I do like how the addresses they gave them were a black hole and then progressively worse. Remember how with the black hole they barely survived. Imaginw what will happen when this civ opens one with the gate they have. Ooops.

[@damirbabic8168]

shouldn't the iris be closed unless Sam has given it to code using her GDO to open it? even if the Aschen dropped their bio-weapon the iris would have been closed when it went through

[@Deltaflot1701]

She hit her GDO about 30 seconds before she dropped, so she could get through and warn about the weapon

[@damirbabic8168]

@@Deltaflot1701 The Irish would have been closed, the weapon wouldn't have worked

[@notsureyou]

@@damirbabic8168 And Carter would have been captured.

[@johnwang9914]

Of course, if she hadn't opened the iris, the weapon didn't have a chance for going through to begin with.

[@Ragitsu]

She can't miss dinner in the mess: they are serving meatloaf.

[@keithcolman9868]

Very good point.

[@GeorgiaMostly]

They were going to communicate diplomatically through the established wormhole to have it opened, presumably so they could send a representative to meet with Senator Kinsey, which Earth was prepared to do.

[@epicstyle1000]

4:22 The Tealc Smirk ; )

[@inoch07]

That was the moment Ted Beneke became Heisenberg...

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

Tealc smile wen saying the senator was displeased was hilarious. How does it gets worse from a black hole.

[@musicalaviator]

Replicator planet. That prison planet with no DHD that water planet with the intelligent water that can take over your brain ... heck New Tollana would be a hoot seeing them interact and try to one up each other with smug

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

@@musicalaviator still how is that worse than a black hole

[@Jason_Wilhelm]

@@musicalaviator the bug planet. The one with a dangerous sentient computer virus. The planet of the retwo rebels. And any planet with a toxic atmosphere. The ashen would have their day ruined by each of them especially if they don't realize any are dangerous at first.

[@Ragitsu]

@@Jason_Wilhelm "Message in a Bottle" and "Watergate".

[@jondmt]

I always thought Sam was supposed to be smart, but telling a very advanced potentially hostile opponent that you knew what their plan was whilst on their ship seems a bit stupid. Why not play it off like, “oh we thought it meant cleanliness, thanks! Anyhoooo we need to be getting back now, don’t want to be late for dinner…”

[@jackychang9148]

I think the Aschen knew the jig was up when they translated that word. And being the smart character she was, she didn't play dumb and expected they'd know the moment it was.

[@lionlord8784]

Quote: "First one be a Black Hole an all and they get progressively darker after that". XD XD XD

[@TheMelbournelad]

This story thread needs to be followed up on in new series

[@user-jt5vm3mi1w]

Guy in suit true hero

[@Ragitsu]

High praise from j5!

[@sylviaelse5086]

What was worse than the black-hole? I don't think we saw those episodes.

[@Ragitsu]

"Message in a Bottle", "Bane", "Watergate" and "Entity".

[@sylviaelse5086]

@@Ragitsu Thanks. Yes, I suppose those were pretty bad.

[@Awalker5000]

I don't know what is 'darker' after a stargate is connected to a black hole... :)

[@googleuser8740]

4:16 why does he show 3 fingers?

[@Ragitsu]

Read between the lines.

[@chrismartindale7840]

I'm curious what is darker then the black hole. I suppose the planet from the episode Bane, but what else?

[@Ragitsu]

What is darker than a black hole? Well, puns aside...alien entities that cannot be countered by brute force are potentially civilization-ending.

[@chrismartindale7840]

@@Ragitsu I guess I should have worded that differently, but that is what O'Neill said. So nothing we saw in an episode.

[@Ragitsu]

@@chrismartindale7840Check out "Message in a Bottle", "Watergate" and "Entity".

[@Ndropazin]

@@Ragitsu bane planet would be a good candidate to wipe Aschen but these insects are slow to modify DNA and Aschen master genetic, it would depend on the number of insects running through the gate while the away team is leaving and the containment protocol used by aschen.

[@tytan7772]

Carter 🥰

[@Ragitsu]

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[@jasonchao343]

Two "L"s when pointing three fingers？

[@killbot86]

The ambassador could’ve just jumped in after Carter….

[@Ragitsu]

Oh no!

[@Wuschel1990]

I don't think he could. If it was so easy why did Sam bother to use the rope in the first place? I think it has to with the fact of how you enter the gate. Imagine the worm hole was about 15m over the gate.... if you jumped into it from that height you would exit it on the other side with the same speed. The ambassador would have smashed against the wall in the gate room and depending on how (head or feet first) he might either be crippled for live or dead.

[@killbot86]

@@Wuschel1990 I understand jumping from that height was unsafe but while you may injure yourself flying through the gate like that, there was still a good chance that you would survive….It is certainly better than potentially dying on another world……

[@Wuschel1990]

@@killbot86 well it is like a pick your poison kind of situation I think. die here or die there. this way he sacrificed himself to gain precious seconds for the iris to get closed before they could drop the blue ball of death. Maybe he even jumped after her and smashed against the iris together with the bomb. Or he tried to block the iris with his body and the bomb explodes on vollan and his body is smashed through the gate. Also think about the others in the gate room. carter or someone else was still there and might have been hit by a human sized bullet. Maybe the height wasn't portrayed right and it was higher than one would assume from the look of the aircraft/vessel. So maybe it was certain death, not permanent injury. I think I new he was dead the moment the guy came to look for them. Some of these scenarios are just more logical than others but in the end we can only assume why they didn't do it.

[@B20C0]

I never understood why the ambassador didn't simply jump. I mean that Aschen was a bitch. But I guess they didn't want the romance between him and Carter to happen.

[@sfgdhdhd]

These Ashens.. how come there is a developed human civilization not conquered by the Goa'uld? Ho come they are not fighting the Goa'uld?

[@TobbeDraws]

And how would the Aschen opened the iris without Carter? She could've just chilled and nothing would've happened to earth...way too risky move. Whole earth could've been wiped out, if she didn't make it through the gate in time, only bcs carter wanted to save her ass xD

[@mr.coomcoom]

I am stunned Carter doesn't just draw her side arm and end the "plot" right there. Her Ex BF might still be alive. Also, never trust the Aschen.

[@thomashipp7910]

You mean the sidearm she didn't have?

[@thomashipp7910]

Also Sam and the ambassador were never together in this timeline

[@mr.coomcoom]

@@thomashipp7910 if that's true, you'd think if they suspected something she would have brought it with her....monster misplay.

[@Matthew209100New]

whats darker then the Black hole gate address?

[@JnEricsonx]

I dunno, did they find a gate address to Hell?

[@danielharvison7510]

@@JnEricsonx It depends on whether or not Soka's pet prison colony is still around. I think it was called Netu or something.

[@Domihork]

Imagine if they were wrong and the Aschen were actually good guys :D How would they explain that the list of addresses are such horrible worlds? :D Also, Kinsey asking what is going on, Carter answering it and Kinsey still yelling at O'Neill to answer his question - wtf? :D

[@anthonylegore1517]

And why yell at O'Neill. Hammond was standing right there, and would be the focus of any investigation. I imagine Hammond might have just chopped Kinsey off at the knees.

[@davidlindsay131]

MMMmmmm-HMM!

[@Ragitsu]

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[@kenp7814]

Can You Read This .... "Good Luck"

[@Ragitsu]

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[@kenp7814]

@@Ragitsu Same thing happened in the movie "Taken"

[@frankmontez6853]

DANNGG Carter's sooo unbelievably beautiful woman WOWWW 💥💥💥💣💣💣🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯⭐⭐⭐

[@alext5497]

COVID?

[@Ragitsu]

No.

[@Ragitsu]

@@sharp14x Strike #1.

[@williamadams5384]

Aschen? Don't you mean the current Republican party?

[@ff3player]

Republicans aren't forcing vaccines

[@savagebear4374]

facts

[@danielrobinson2861]

This is where the anti vaccine guys get there ideas from.

[@epiendless1128]

I think our host was hoping we would not discuss that at all. :(