Starline Vs Eggman Fight (Sonic IDW Comic Dub)

John Hobo: Starline
Sheepy_Boi81: Eggman and Editor
Fight! (Background music) made by Arthaz Cientazaro
Sonic IDW made by Ian Flynn
Sonic The Hedgehog made by Sega

[@SupremelordBruv]

This is how Eggman should be. Smart. Terrifying. Still slightly goofy.

[@TeamMarioandSonicDubbing]

The perfect Eggman 🥚

[@boneman9751]

“You’ve never shown this much foresight before-“ He’s never shown that much foresight when fighting *sonic.* The same person who’s he’s praised and respected, to the point that he almost treats his battles like a game. Starline, on the other hand, is definitely no sonic.

[@Mikescool444]

He tussles with Sonic. Here, he fought starline.

[@Bluesit32]

It is a game. Eggman flat out tells Starline that, if he wanted, he could have carpet bombed Sonic into oblivion, but that just isn't fun. He was furious at Starline for trying to lure Sonic into an exploding bunker.

[@boneman9751]

@@Bluesit32 that’s like with bowser, who we know can rip entire islands out of the ground and bust through *the moon* losing to a set of questionably in shape plumbers. There’s a reason there’s always a kill switch at the end of the fight. It’s all a game. Each time the stakes need to be higher, the designs grander, the spectacle flashier. Yk, something like remaking the universe in your image, or in eggman’s case, holding the planet hostage. Subtle right? And it’s not like Mario and sonic don’t enjoy the game also. How many times has sonic had the opportunity to blow robotniks head off, yet he usually lets him go or works with him to take down something else.

[@DenisK21]

Basically… Starline: You… listened to me? No, you’ve never listened to me! Eggman: Dear Starline, never confuse “not listening” with “not caring”.

[@raistlin3462]

Ah, a fellow Order of the Stick follower.

[@maninthevoid]

Honestly i feel like eggman is fully capa le of throwing hands with a lot of people but prefers beating them with brain rather than brawn

[@diegocarrillo7512]

Ong I feel like Eggman would actually be a serious challenge for sonic if they fought 1 on 1 combat.

[@maninthevoid]

@@diegocarrillo7512 I mean he can canonical outrun sonic so yea I believe that

[@Mikescool444]

@@maninthevoid I mean, I would also be pretty spent if I had to deal with the Death Egg, but ok.

[@cameronballz6154]

Remember who Eggman's typical opponents are, dude can absolutely run hands but all his opponents can either move at lightning speed or move mountains

[@Am_Cookie2436]

​@@maninthevoid only video game sonic, since video game sonic is really freaking slow. Slower than most cars

[@jotarokujo4983]

I am 99% sure Sonic's super speed is the only thing keeping Eggman from absolutely obliterating him in a fair fight.

[@cameronballz6154]

Not even a mech, just a straight up fist fight

[@brockhanson8720]

@@cristodemonte1690 in the games Eggman is classified as a power type.

[@masterharrison3921]

In the games eggman is portrayed as faster than sonic even super sonic

[@Sayonara_Sumi]

@@masterharrison3921 "how...can a man...THAT FAT MOVE FUCKIN FAST" - Sonic Paradox

[@ashtonboutwell6154]

@@Sayonara_Sumi 6ft-10 fat man with science.

[@GuukanKitsune]

"You've never shown this much foresight!" ...Starline hasn't been paying attention. Eggman always has a Plan B. He is always running MULTIPLE plots to take over the world so that if one is taken down by factors he couldn't forsee, he can just abandon it and focus on the next instead. And he always, ALWAYS escapes because he plans for his own defeat in any gambit as well as for his success. In Sonic Adventure, despite being absolutely assured of his Egg Carrier being invincible, he STILL BUILT AN ENTIRE BACKUP EGG CARRIER JUST IN CASE. Eggman has nothing BUT Foresight. He is practically the GOD of foresight. Doctor Starline plans for every single detail, and that was his flaw. When his plans went wrong he didn't know what to do because he couldn't be flexible. If even a tiny detail goes off from his plan it collapses. Eggman plans for every possibility. If his plans go wrong he can adapt them on the fly, and if he discovers something that can be to his advantage, or detriment, he didn't know about... it becomes part of his plan on the spot. Starline never could have outplanned Eggman. Or truly outsmarted him. Pure hubris is what took Starline down.

[@bloffbloff3367]

I like how there someone would spend their free time to explain everything in detail ,u are a gentleman ,I thx and respect u for that

[@melonmale]

Most of his tools are flexible too, the egg carrier aa you said his best defense and escape is often always integrated into his mechs in a way atleast early on haven't seen more recent ones but the way that it connects and seems to be easily modified his egg carrier is another strength

[@Gunni4091]

Xanatos Gambit? More like Eggman Gambit.

[@xXYannuschXx]

The only thing is: why didnt he make a vaccine for the metal virus? Or take any precautions? I mean, it nearly cost him his life in the end.

[@GuukanKitsune]

@xXYannuschXx He did take precautions. He had absolute control of the metal virus and its zombot victims... at first. Then it did what viruses always do and mutated... and kept mutating and changing... and over time these mutations made it impossible to control it and the zombots the original way. But he had a backup method of control ready, devices he could implant into individual zombots to re-establish his control if he lost it. However, the same problem arose, the virus began steadily evolving immunity to that control system too, and as the metal virus kept mutating and evolving it became apparent that it would eventually mutate away any control method he devised... at which point he abandoned all plans regarding it and withdrew. As for a vaccine, creating one was not only impossible but it would run counter to the entire point of the virus: everyone everywhere being enslaved to Eggman's will.

[@thisgooberisinmanyasylums]

Eggman single-handedly destroying the smartest mobian known Edit: wow 135….you all like this huh?

[@waddleboyadvance7187]

Epic

[@thisgooberisinmanyasylums]

@@waddleboyadvance7187 yep very epic

[@Mikescool444]

Well, he is one of the only humans around, aswell as apparently being the smartest there is.

[@thisgooberisinmanyasylums]

@@Mikescool444 well, yes, but he only uses mechs most of the time, yet he never throws hands, and now that we see him doing so here, HES STRONG ASF

[@The_Racr1]

That’s the difference between the two. Robotnik has never called himself a failure. he admits he’s made mistakes but doesn’t see them as utter failures. He is a scientist so failures are merely seen as setbacks.

[@northernalpine4350]

*_"a mistake is no failure, it is merely a setback, a lesson, a step back to make a leap forward"_*

[@Shifterwizard]

One of the better explanations I've seen is that Dr. Eggman is like that because he goes up against SONIC. Sonic is too fast for Dr. Eggman to get hung up on contingencies normally, because that's time wasted when he could be building the next thing. So instead he just keeps things rolling, always jumping to the next plan just to keep up with the blue blur. While Starline absolutely folded as soon as he hit the first major roadblock. Because when Dr. Eggman isn't going against the literal fastest thing alive, he has time to take things apart piece by piece and think things through much more thoroughly.

[@DrGandW]

Basically Starline’s too slow

[@HalfTangible]

Also nothing about Sonic's abilities makes any logical sense at all So planning against him is kind of an exercise in futility

[@trainman5675]

One could argue that eggmans plans agaunst sonic are stalling tactics for the grand finale qhere he hopes to overpower them

[@leon4000]

One thing to take from this is that Robotnik keeps learning to adapt and change to try to see what he could create to snare and best Sonic. He represents those who never give up after a mistake, and learns from it. Essentially, he learns how to fail better and use that to improve himself. Dr. Starline is like a lot of people who have been conditioned terribly on the concept of failure in a derogatory way. That even one mistake or certain factors unreachable due to specific things makes you unable to find success no matter what you do. A crippling insecurity if you let it run your very life. Dr. Starline potential is bogged down by trying hard not to fail, and when he does, he freaks out due to factors in his life that skewed his perception of what failure is at its simple nature, but other insecure people make it worse than it seems because they struggle to find success too. The platypus was so lost in thought over his failure of surpassing Eggman, he didn't see his demise he had seconds to avoid, but did not act in time.

[@TVmantitan779]

​@HalfTangible, and that's not counting how Sonic's friends in the situation since Sonic's many friends are threats to Eggman only lesser than Sonic's threat to Eggman.

[@SillySilverYeh]

Eggman is super strong but he just refuses to use his strength for some reason, like how he single handedly destroyed a wall with his fist in sonic lost world

[@Sugma.Nuts-]

Because he prefers brains over brawns

[@iamlouis1495]

Don't forget he is faster than sonic in the second game.

[@shemoniesimpson7275]

@@iamlouis1495 don't forget he is still human I think that he can keep up with Sonic at normal speed but all those years fighting Sonic and his friends with eventually make him pick up some things

[@gabeskai]

I'd say he avoids fighting himself to reduce the risk of him injuring his arms, as he needs those to build at max capacity

[@thedarkest9]

Starline was nothing but a bag of tricks, so when he took them all away, he not only knew he could beat him hand to hand, but wanted to as to make a fool of him. Trying that kind of maneuver on Sonic would end with him back on his but without his mustache with a throbbing headache. If it was anyone else, he would have used his tech, but Starline needed to be humbled.

[@galaxycamerata]

I only just realized that around the "No, Doctor..." panel, he's straight up just rising from the rubble like another of his machines. The Emperor was never his desperation weapon, nor was it just any old ploy. He arranged this SPECIFICALLY so he could personally beat Starline senseless with his bare hands because HE is the weapon.

[@runedoom]

"I AM THE -HYPE- WEAPON!"

[@bunny6820]

Acting strictly rationally and evading mistakes makes you extremely predictable Being insane and unpredictable and also a genius however...

[@edwintrinidadperazacaraban4650]

Know THAT, is what separates a villain. FROM A SUPER-VILLAIN

[@shadowhunter1429]

​@@edwintrinidadperazacaraban4650 I thought the key difference was... PRESENTATION!

[@theemeraldenderman3007]

@@shadowhunter1429 he’s had that from the start.

[@Thoughtmage100]

Starline is just lucky Eggman didn't decide to whip out the Nokia.

[@nightmare9930]

"I'm gonna make sure you use a Samsung tablet to make phone calls for the rest of your life!"

[@reaperflar273]

@@nightmare9930 I can go golden

[@philipjamora2345]

@@reaperflar273 gold this

[@Federation-Cosmo-Bolt]

@@philipjamora2345 "Oh Sh*t Wait a Minute!"

[@nightmare9930]

@@Federation-Cosmo-Bolt *frieza fucking dies*

[@theeternalsuperstar3773]

Now Starline really knows what it feels like to be Eggman. "I planned everything out to the smallest detail. I had every advantage. Accounted for every contingency. And I still lost. He destroyed all that effort in MINUTES." Sounds like how a little blue hedgehog sabotages a mustachioed scientist's schemes.

[@boffadeeznuts6312]

But unlike eggman, starline's confidence shattered instantly.

[@cosmo-dragon3973]

Thing people fail to remember is that Eggman makes his plans FLEXIBLE because he’s fighting *Sonic.* EVERYTHING can go wrong when you’re fighting this world’s equivalent of Super Man. It’s a miracle that Eggman can even stand up to let alone fight Sonic. People all too regularly forget that Eggman puts double, triple, quadruple redundancies in his plans and still loses only because of how overpowered Sonic is. Starline got by on a fluke. He’s competent, but he effectively barged in while everyone else was preoccupied and declared himself superior. Eggman, finally going toe to toe with someone as… RIGID in mindset as Starline, realized how easy it’d be to exploit his rigidity. Starline planning everything out WAS his downfall. Like it or not, Eggman LEARNS, and he learned from Sonic that it’s easiest to beat someone when they think **they** are in total control. Plans always go wrong, and Starline continually planning everything down to a tee meant that Eggman just had to wedge himself in at the right time and… well… screw it up. Starline wasn’t going to account for any mishaps… Eggman was. His entire CAREER was filled with mishaps. He just used Starline’s mindset against him. This is what happens when Sonic media gets good writing.

[@orumonuldor1340]

Depending on when you count the timeline of sonic, you could say he's been adapting since sonic 1 on the genesis if not sooner. You can see this in how his traps evolved even back in Sonic 2. By sonic 3 and knuckles, Robotnik had even developed a viable, albeit unsuccessful strategy against super transformations, even if that strategy was simply stall until the form ran out of energy.

[@xJaaku]

Eggman learns and yet he gets defeated the same way every time. Try again.

[@TheMainOne2.0]

​@@xJaaku bro please just shut up. In almost every comment I've seen you in you just decide to be a massive dick for no reason

[@thatguyfromak5190]

You wanted this Starline. You killed Mr thinker... there's your reward

[@danielmendes989]

I agree with you

[@d.k.islander8095]

You wanted him to think things through? Here’s your wish!

[@ForeveraBoss117]

Starline’s whole edgelord persona crumbled when he got fed hands by the Villain notorious for having anyone else’s fight his battles for him and cowering in fear when that fails. And he got quite litterally ragdolled

[@Mr._Galaxywide]

Starline: "But... But.. But.. How? You have always relied on your suites in battle." EggMAN: "Yes, but that was against a Hedgehog who can break the laws of physics and is favored by fate itself to win." *Slams Starline into concrete* "But against you? an upstart who thinks they are a genius?" *Throws a Punch* "I don't need a mech all I need are the hand that built them." *Throws him to the side* "And the hands that could tear them apart..."

[@bradleyadams5252]

​@@Mr._Galaxywidesonic, watching from the sidlines: Almost makes me feel bad for Starline...almost.

[@fefnir6950]

This is the kind of Eggman I want in Sonic games, an actual mastermind with backup plans for his backup plans, who can outsmart the smartest beings in his verse on a whim

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

It's the thing Sonic Forces came closest to getting right. "I knew you'd blow up my death ray, so I made a fake one to divert your attention. You're too late now. Game over."

[@clockmaker9273]

We should never forget, that eggman is still a fully grown tall human man in a world full of small animals.

[@agustinfuentes8501]

Remember he catches up with Sonic running in the first games

[@twaggytheatricks4960]

Right? It is _so easy_ to forget.

[@west-art558]

He was lucky eggman didnt make an announcment when he first entered

[@mrdonutswildride7808]

Starline at least kept his wife out of it.

[@Door227]

IVE COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT

[@amorflos]

“I have an announcement to make”

[@amorflos]

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[@grandboy6879]

"HAHA, REFERENCE!"

[@kingpharoahgaming466]

Considering in comics and games, eggman has been shown to do so many superhuman feats like outrunning sonic in multiple games, breaking walls and ice with his bare hands, etc. Getting your butt whopped in a hand to hand fight by eggman is somewhat normal. Also at the end of the day, he's always viewed facing sonic as a little game anyways. He literally shows that he respects the crap out of him, to the point where eggman flat out has said that he could always just end him on the spot. Same with Sonic, as he's had more than enough times to kill Eggman on the spot.

[@t.b.cont.]

Casual reminder that Dr Eggman is a grown ass 6’1” adult man in a world entirely populated by children sized characters

[@Skillfulstone]

I mean, most of those children-sized characters can send stuff weighing tons flying with their bare hands and destroy super advanced robots. Not to mention the various insane abilities they have. Sure Eggman could likely handle the average human but Sonic & co. are on another level.

[@southerncoastproductions7587]

Shut up.

[@potahtwah9591]

I tend to forget, the freedom fighters are superhuman by Mobian standards. Starline is all tech, and Eggman is several feet taller, and heavier than an anthropomorphic platypus. It is not difficult to yeet a normal toddler when all you fight, day in day out, is super toddlers.

[@ashtonboutwell6154]

.. bro this is the best run down i have ever seen in my life.

[@naetoru0746]

Starline: ima fight eggman with his machine Minutes later Damn... Eggman got hands

[@Morales3088]

Funniest thing is that eggman didnt even have to intervene, he could've waited for sonic to take starline down since the surge and kit plan failed But he wanted to humiliate him himself

[@raistlin3462]

That's entirely in-character for Robotnik.

[@lunar9342]

The day Eggman drops the ego and focuses on doing as much as he can regardless of himself is the day he wins, but it's also the day he stops being Eggman

[@qbertsandy1367]

Mr Tinker

[@waifusmith4043]

Can we all appreciate the eggman voice in this dub? Really fucking good.

[@TeamMarioandSonicDubbing]

Thank you so much!! ❤️❤️

[@TarsonTalon]

People make the mistake of thinking "Haha, Eggman can't even defeat a speedy blue hedgehog!" What people should be really thinking: "Oh f*ck, it takes running around at the speed of sound to even have a snowball's chance of winning..." Thinking about it, the reason why Dr. Robotnic might have obvious flashing weak points on his machines is because those points are the reason the rest of the robot is INVINCIBLE. Theoretically, Sonic, with his powers, should be able to break Robotnic's machines in any way he desires. Yet, it's only damaged when the glowing weak points are attacked. My theory is that they are some kind of kinetic force negation devices, that convert forces that would normally cause structural failure into light energy, which is then dispersed out of the robot. Once these are destroyed, whatever remaining latent kinetic energy that wasn't dispersed destroy the machine.

[@mistermann4163]

Or ya know that's just a videogame mechanic for players to know when to attack the enemy since that doesn't explain every other robot that Eggman has in his arsenal that doesn't have a glowing weak point yet breaks like their made of styrofoam in one hit. That includes from everyone else who's fought them. Eggman goes at Sonic more like a slow burn to just prove his superiority while ignoring everything else until it comes back to bite him in the ass. That includes Starline here, during the Metal Virus arc in that Starline went out of his was to impress Eggman in recruiting the Zeti to control the Metal Virus. Only for the Zeti to betray them because Starline didn't do his homework about Eggman and his relationship with the Zeti to which they kicked him off the ship, took the Emeralds to supercharge themselves, and nearly took over the world themselves all because Eggman overlooked what his fanboy was doing at the time.

[@TarsonTalon]

@@mistermann4163 Bruh, I understand that yes, it's just a mechanic, and the developers didn't think of the ramifications. But I am thinking of the ramifications, and this is now my personal head canon. Speaking of which, I'll add another: Intelligence is not equal to wisdom. Intelligence is about being able to accomplish something with science; wisdom is about being able to figure out if you should or shouldn't. And yes, there's a lot of things Robotnic and Starline just shouldn't have done. I think the problem is that, while they are genius inventors, they SUCK at being commanders. Their primary tactics seem to be "Random bullsh*t, GO!" If Sonic had gone up against an actually competent strategist, say, Thrawn from Star Wars, he'd probably lose. I personally would be trying everything in my power to take away Sonic's primary asset, which is his speed. However if it is Archie Sonic, screw that, ain't going anywhere NEAR that.

[@WazzpinatorReviews-or1zb]

I think eggman purposely builds weak points into his mechs to test sonic. He once said he keeps sonic around for outside stimulus, as every engineer needs some outside variable to motivate themselves and to compete against. In other words, eggman keeps sonic around to test himself.

[@Nightout88]

you learned you lesson the HARD WAY starline. eggman is not to be messed with he's not like sonic who will put up with you. eggman is a user, he uses everything he has to complete his goals _no matter the cost_ . it doesn't matter if that involves saving sonic and teaming up with him or using innocent mobians like you, he will do whatever it takes to win and rule the world and he _ALONE_ will be the one to sit on a golden throne nobody else. thats the type of person eggman is.

[@DerrickMcDanielLucky1391]

We overlook his design choice for each mech with his signature face and smile. So when he himself shows that face in the shadows with his grinning face he emits the terror of what the image truly bestows, FEAR. He is the EGGMAN.

[@WebManFanClub]

Quick reminder that Eggman is still and always has been a scary villain, he never lost his touch, sure he can be a tad goofy, but his mind is always calculating his mistakes, his repetitive nature is not arrogance but him experimenting with multiple similar trials, each slightly different, every bit of information is stored and processed into his mind, he’s always learning and adapting

[@SABlueAngryBlur]

After playing Sonic Riders as a kid, I wondered why Eggman was a power type. Years in later games and comics, it all makes sense.

[@qua_xor3348]

Why did I read this in Sonic's voice lmao

[@filipvadas7602]

Honestly, scenes like this make you realise Eggman isn't a pushover. Sonic is just so OP its not even *fair*

[@omgitzthunderlol4598]

Eggman admits he could kill sonic with a carpet bomb but there is no fun in that

[@ashwolf2006]

@@omgitzthunderlol4598 he respects sonic as much as he hates him, and if he is going to beat the blue furball he want's to beat him using his intellect and not brute force or back handed schemes.

[@calebdemosthene284]

​@@omgitzthunderlol4598he has to prove he better

[@Bumblebee0400]

This showed that Eggman can actually be a threat against his opponents, but I think the reason Eggman was able to beat Starline was because he could predict what Starline would do against him, which is why Eggman can't defeat Sonic, Sonic is very unpredictable in a fight so Eggman is unable to predict what Sonic will do

[@firekoovin3347]

bro what are you saying, all sonic does is say "gotta go fast durrrr" and then molest eggman.

[@megablueflash1816]

​@@firekoovin3347Because that worked so well for Sonic in Unleashed. Or SA2. Or Forces...

[@firekoovin3347]

@@megablueflash1816 i might of not of known specifically how he takes Ls but i sort of already know that this dude has God feats

[@crosspathofficial9414]

@@firekoovin3347😂😂😂

[@VestedUTuber]

This, plus as he himself stated previously Eggman doesn't typically go for the easy option against Sonic. What we see here is what Eggman's capable of when he takes the kid's gloves off.

[@fireyfacepunch6394]

That was one hell of a command grab punish from Dr. Eggman.

[@The_french_troll]

ppl tend to forgot that eggman is a mastermind, the only reason he loses to sonic is that this hedghog breaks all laws of physics

[@yasquishyboi902]

it’s like detective zenyata, dude gets trounced a lot by lupin but he’s fighting the criminal equivalent of fucking shakespeare, dude puts down standard criminals like clockwork

[@d.k.islander8095]

Not just that. The doctor often lets his ego and desire to beat Sonic blind him. He can learn when he wants to, he just chooses not to

[@dairyqueenmouth1472]

The way Eggman just casually beats up animals with his bare hands is just funny believe they going to do call the police for animal abuse

[@Mikescool444]

What are they going to do, arrest his skyscraper-sized robot mech that can level cities?

[@TVmantitan779]

Eggman was like: ITS TIME YOU FIND OUT WHY IM THE ONLY VILLIAN THAT TRULY CAN STAND AGAINST SONIC!

[@i_like_videogames9517]

Eggman: What? Solaris? Infinite? Erazor Djinn? The End? Chaos? Mph, those are all WEAKLINGS.

[@ashwolf2006]

@@i_like_videogames9517 why did i suddenly hear It has to be this way playing in the background.

[@AnUnstableHybrid]

Tbf, there was a bit of a Chekov's Gun early on in the IDW series where in which Rouge tells Sonic that Eggman has a surprisingly good workout regiment. When she said that, she wss NOT joking, the fact he is able to handle Starline the way he did is no doubt due to said workout. Actually ir anything Eggman is sort of like a Muscle Man case where he looks "fat" on the outside but he's actually got muscle underneath his skin.

[@ihaventthoughtofausernamey1071]

Dr. Eggman is the peak of peak male performance.

[@xJaaku]

🙄 It's a human being slamming a duck to the ground. And you think he's the Incredible Hulk for that?

[@minimalbstolerance8113]

@@xJaaku You really don't know much about Sonic, do you? Firstly, Starline's a platypus, not a duck. Secondly, it's been repeatedly shown in every Sonic continuity that pound for pound, the strength of the non-human characters is far superior to the humans. Even if we discount some of the more ridiculous comics moments like Mighty punching through a mountain or Enerjak hitting Silver with an island in the Archie comics, or evil Super Sonic pushing the MOON out of orbit in Fleetway and limit it to the games, you still have a cast of 3.5 foot tall furries who can punch, kick and spin through metal plate, solid rock and military grade robot alloys like wet tissue paper.

[@awesierra704]

Eggman's a 7 foot giant in a world of 3 foot rodents. The only reason he ever looks weak is because he fights superheroes on the daily.

[@tiktokcompilations797]

People forget that the only thing stopping Eggman from taking over, is sonic himself. Without sonic Eggman would’ve won a long time ago and this shows how sadistic he can be

[@franztheprussian4166]

The start of the IDW comics actually plays after Eggman ruled the earth for half a year because he managed to trap Sonic. The world was only freed from him because they busted Sonic out. A really long time passed and they're still dealing with consequences of the initial conquest all the way up to issue 65 and his first major ploy with the metal virus almost succeeded and I'd argue its failure was entirely due to Dr. Starline lacking the foresight he ironically accused Eggman of lacking by summoning the Six. People forget how frightening Dr. Ivo Robotnik can be because of how he has been portrayed in the games in the past few games and shows. They just went overboard with the goofyness. I'm happy IDW didn't go that path

[@fort2558]

Meanwhile Sonic's just as capable friends in question

[@lorefox201]

it's not even just sonic, it's his strange obsession with him. Eggman basically trips on his own brain every time That Hedgehog is involved because he has a very specific idea of what defeating him looks like and circumstances simply fail to align for that idea to come to fruition because, in short, sonic is so fast it's OP. I think Egg said to starline himself once "I could nuke him from orbit at any time but THAT wouldn't prove anything". tldr: if he wasn't out to specifically defeat sonic in such away as to prove his unfathomable genius and superiority, he would have just drone struck his home like he was Obama and Sonic was an Iraqi kid in 2009 and it would have been over.

[@pacifistminigun3987]

​@@lorefox201 so, Eggman's ego really is his own biggest downside

[@lorefox201]

@@pacifistminigun3987 exactly

[@coomcharger6105]

This ain't a fight. This is Eggman beating the shit out of Starline

[@maineventchaosgenefeliix]

Starline didn't know that eggman has a near perfect idyllic memory or perfect photographic memory meaning he remembers everything

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

This is an interesting concept... someone who appears as though they aren't listening, because they know they can go back and consider what you said later.

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

That is utter nonsense, he forgets stuff all the time.

[@Sentralkontrol]

Eidetic

[@bigbosses4686]

@@anthonyrodriguez8788 He does, but that's usually out of cockiness and that's one of his only things holding him back. Once he takes things seriously (like here), you can't outsmart him.

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

People seem to forget that Doctor Eggman loses so much because he goes against demigod hedgehog Sonic and his friends. Normal people? with normal physiques? Obstacles to be tossed aside like paper. He COMPLETELY defeats that duck; Outsmarts him at every turn, and when the chips are down, THROTTLES HIM.

[@GuyGuyGuyG]

Good comment though I just want to say that he’s actually a platypus.

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

@@GuyGuyGuyG A Platypus?

[@lorefox201]

​@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 yes, isn't that even cooler, they got to basically draw a Disney comic character in their comic and Disney itself could only seethe impotently

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

@@lorefox201 PERRY the Platypus?!?!?!

[@lorefox201]

@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 CURSE YOU PERRY THE PLATYPUS

[@Zenos-zd3rm]

I think people forget that his fight with sonic is a game to eggman. Especially more so in the comics. He loves his mad scientist role, and plays is perfectly. But it sometimes undermines the fact that he is, undeniably, completely INSANE in a way that makes him way more dangerous than people assume.

[@calebdemosthene284]

Kinda.he wants to prove he is better than sonic by playing this game his way.

remember that Eggman is a 7 foot person in a world with 4 foot people

[@jefeover945]

buddy is used to looking down on people💀

[@WazzpinatorReviews-or1zb]

And that he competes with a supersonic hedgehog daily, eggman only looks weak because he is constantly compared to sonic. When you realize he is hard enough to take a hit from sonic, and pilot a mech (and other assorted machinery) fast enough to keep up with the supersonic hedgehog, PLUS he can canonically outrun sonic in the games, you realize eggman is borderline superhuman!

[@alexanderrosario8569]

Fun fact: Eggman can in fact throw hands. Even knuckles has a hard time as Eggman has the superior height and reach advantage when not including added augment equipment. And explains why most characters don't directly engage him alone or in close quarters. Eggman is prideful and spiteful yes but as the video shows, he isn't an idiot. Mistakes are quickly analyzed and touched upon to create fail safes and countermeasures.

[@squidsterman]

' Approximately 2% of my body is made of fat. The other 98% is pure muscle. ' 4:05 ' Allow me to show you what the 98% can do. '

[@Red_Ryry]

Dude is literally just Wilson Fisk from marvel comics but with a lankier build. Literally peak human performance, the ideal male form.

[@U_DYT2]

We should all grow to be like Eggman. …wait

[@ZoanBlade90]

"Congratulations, my dear Starlink. You really *are* following in my footsteps."

[@cheesebird4057]

Ouch.

[@A-literal-insect]

difference with starline and Eggman is that Eggman adapts and overcomes his failures

[@Nombrenooriginal]

The problem is his own ego

[@chrish6698]

TFW you consider every possibility expect eggman just beating you up with his fists 💀

[@Bluesit32]

Yeah, that had to be the one thing he never expected. He's a fat guy who travels in a hovership and pilots mechs. How tough could he be? Apparently, tougher than a psychotic platypus.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

@@Bluesit32that isn’t fat not exactly a lot of that is pure strongman build like. Kingpin

[@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8]

@@Bluesit32 that moment when the egg is several times taller than you and has longer arms than yours:

[@Bluesit32]

@@SuperGamefreak18 Pfft...oh no it isn't. Look at those toothpick arms and legs.

[@caninelupus8369]

Sonic by himself is fast enough to break the laws of physics, and he has Tails at his side, the only one smart enough to rival Eggman. In some versions, he has Knuckles and Amy on the team, two bruisers who crumple metal like paper. And Eggman *still* manages to fight them to a standstill on multiple occasions. He is not the one with whom to fuck.

[@deeznuts9886]

People usually forget just how dangerous eggman can be physically. Such as him straight up OUTRUNNING SONIC on multiple occasions.

[@bwilson7947]

also the fact that most sonic characters don't even weight that much and isn't egg man like 7 foot or something?

[@ashtonboutwell6154]

@@bwilson7947 2 inchs shorter then that but yes

[@CrustyLiquid]

remember eggman is supposedly around 6’1-6’3 and he builds his machines usually himself, machines that probably weigh a lot. Bro has the size and strength of a steelworker and the brains of a genius in a world where everyone is the size of a toddler

[@hisirhow3476]

step 1: drain his glove step 2: beat the &*(# out of him

[@Eldoofus]

It's funny because Starline probably wouldn't have been smashed like a flyswatter if he didn't attempt kicking Eggman... then again, that platypus was doomed to fail from the moment he decided to give the veterans a lesson.

[@chewyuanqiang]

Considering Starline idolized Eggman and brought him back when he lost his memories as Mr. Tinker. This beating was very much poetic karma and well deserved. Being ended by the very monster he brought back from the dead.

[@hexelss]

you know you fucked up when Eggman starts throwing hands

[@zipperfingers749]

The thing that this duck guy (I haven’t read the IDW comics) didn’t consider is that Eggman and Sonic have a Megamind-Metroman dynamic, they always put on a show while holding back their full power so that fighting doesn’t become boring they always banter and play up their roles of mad scientist and teenage superhero but against other enemies they are a force to be reckoned with.

[@ShinigamiSamaH]

For some context: First off, the dude is a platypus. And you are right about the Megamind/Metroman dynamic. It's essentially the entire arc with Starline, really. He first showed up asking to be Eggman's sidekick, seeing him as his idol and acting like the #1 fan who know all the Eggman trivia. That rose tinted glasses is gone when he saw his hero in action however. He saw Eggman as a bumbling fool who get too dramatic with fighting Sonic instead of the objective, thus ending up losing every time. For Eggman, he visibly get upset and almost wring Starline's neck when the platypus went and booby trapped Sonic and Silver with an explosive. He always pretend to ignore or dismiss Starline's ideas, but is actually paying attention at everything he said. Just in case. To paraphrase Eggman: "I could always just carpet bomb the hedgehog and his friends, but if I don't conquer the world MY WAY then what's the point?"

[@omgitzthunderlol4598]

@@ShinigamiSamaHI admit I respect that sonic and eggman could one shot each other but they want to win fair and square

[@Ginfeldi]

Remember eggman is the equivalent of a 8 foot tall absolute unit, sonic characters are really small close to him the reason he doesn't throw hands often is because he might be a bit of a glass cannon

[@ashtonboutwell6154]

yeah.

[@funninoriginal6054]

And also because most of team sonic have their powers to back them up. But im fairly sure Eggman could manhandle most of the animal people, including the ones in team sonic without innate powers like Tails.

[@littlebadassgaming]

​@@funninoriginal6054 i wanna see eggman hit the gym and throw hands with super sonic.

[@Tha-mountain]

@@littlebadassgaming I want a training montage

[@Ginfeldi]

Y'all saw boom Eggman? dude looks that he can recreate that Omni man vs Red rush scene against Sonic

[@Sledgewashereorsomthin]

Eggman being only a shadow and eyes looked like sickler in my closet

[@wanaplay6923]

True Eggman style, dudes got to much pride to let someone do all the work. So much he beat his ass for even offering a team up.

[@GreenDude_Gaming]

That moment were eggman exiting the wreckage he looks legitimately terrifying

[@pixelname4899]

man woke up and just said "ok plan for the day: get some coffee, make some plans, throw some hands"

[@EndoJiren]

My dream is finally coming into frui- Eggman: please shut the hell up.

[@edward_dreamwalker69]

You know the saying "Never meet your heroes 'cause you might be disappointed." Well this whole situation is the very definition of it.

[@lorefox201]

I wouldn't call getting beaten to a pulp "disappointment"

[@TVmantitan779]

​@lorefox201, if anything, this showed Starline why Sonic is THAT much of a powerhouse that he's the only thing that keeps Eggmah from no diffing the entire IDW verse.

[@nameless5512]

Starline was right about one thing. He’s a failure. While he wallows in his self pity, Eggman would simply plan for the next thing.

[@tremor230]

Starline cries and bitches and moans. Robotnik instead goes, "Okay, here is a list of the 2347 things that went wrong. Next time I am accounting for them!" ... while raging and throwing a fit. 😂 It's all a matter of how they react, mostly.

[@nameless5512]

@@tremor230 Exactly, and Eggman, whilst has his own faults, doesn’t dwell on the past. We all saw what Starline unleashed by prying at old wounds.

[@yoohoo236]

Eggman smiling while shadowed is intimidating as hell

[@TeamMarioandSonicDubbing]

It shows how intimidating Eggman can truly be!

[@ashtonboutwell6154]

@@TeamMarioandSonicDubbing I mean he almost killed all of the residence on the planet with the metal virus. and watched sonic struggle MOCKING HIM LIKE A TOY, and so on.

[@ChoomOfDoom]

4:22 That has to be the worst feeling. Planning for every single thing, having a contingency for everything and still getting his shit kicked in.

[@lucasmartinez5703]

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

[@FlannelManiac]

Luffy vs Doffy

[@togeluga_the_cat]

Starline was playing chess while Eggman was actualy doing something

[@TVmantitan779]

​@togeluga_the_cat Eggman: YOU FOOL STARLINE YOUR OWN CREATIONS CAN OUTSMART YOU BUT MINE CAN'T! SHOULDN'T THAT TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US?!

[@boffadeeznuts6312]

What eggman probably feels every time sonic fucks shit up, but unlike Perry the Platypus over here, the good doctor has an unbreakable will to defeat that rotten hedgehog.

[@leenard1237]

Sonic: wait a minute eggman can throw hands too 😮

[@johna6169]

Eggman folded starline like an omelette

[@mr.shplorb662]

He folded their clothes with them in them

[@bluenoobhere]

4:05 eggman finally realized that hes 2 feet taller that the dude hes fighting

[@luiginumbers6268]

6ft v 5’11

[@audreyholmes9751]

Egg really be giving him the "bitch, you thought!" treatment

[@Victor-056]

He also did a Jojo Pose when approaching Starlight.

[@Dragonpit]

I mean, if Eggman can participate in Olympic Boxing, then he MUST have some fighting chops...

[@thetealturtwig5667]

2:40 this has got to be one of the creepiest moments in sonic. I never though Eggman could do much of anything in a fight without some kind of robot. But this fight just blows that idea out of the water

[@CryotheSnowOwl6244]

THIS EGG GOT HANDS!

[@BobThePenguin.]

In Soviet Russia, the egg scrambles you.

[@jessedeklein7542]

ladies and gentleman, dr eggman at his best, as far as we know at least

[@godtheone2083]

Eggman can break SOLID ICE so i feel plenty of bones are broken

[@galaxycamerata]

Dude can punch a fucking freight train down the rails in Riders.

[@gabeskai]

​@@galaxycamerata....holy shit he WAS a power type wasn't he?

[@shadow98004]

​@@gabeskai makes sense, he's a grown ass man in a world of short talking animals. That, and he's come into contact with the Chaos Emeralds _how_ many times over the years? Coming into contact with that kind of energy so many times has to have had _some_ sort of effect on him.

[@Mikescool444]

@@shadow98004 that, and he’s built the same way Gru is. You ever heard of the Gru true girth copypasta?

[@DaRealKir]

The 300iq scientist vs 200iq scientist is obvious

[@lugiamastero13]

Yeah this is literally Eggmans 300 IQ coming into play he single handedly considered potential betrayal even before it even manifested into Starline's head and listened to all the juicy info he ever gave and thought up contingencies for his every move possible that he already lost before he began ploting and just lead him to that ultimate failure so the only way a person could of have had been able to destroy Eggman is if hes smqrt enough to fool him in a way he cannot detect and thats a tall order none have accomplished

[@Acrossdapond445]

Eggman is basically batman

[@Mikescool444]

@@Acrossdapond445 this is what people are talking about when they give Batman prep time.

[@Bluesit32]

It's more than that. Eggman listened to everything Starline said while maintaining an air of indifference, as if ignoring him. It was that behavior that caused Starline to never consider that he would develop counter measures. It's brilliant.

[@lianaverwood9810]

Starline _did_ rival Eggman *in Intellect,* but _his Ego and Idolization of the Doctor_ is what was used against him. Dr Eggman could easily see that *Starline wouldn't let himself stay just a lackey,* and aimed to be _at least Equal Partners with him..._ So Eggman started by trying to *dissuade Starline's Emulation of him:* he acted like _the most Egotistical Jerk he could_ towards him, but it backfired - *Starline's obsession grew greater,* and he took it _as another Lesson;_ So he *kicked Starline out much softer than he could've,* and carried on, knowing that he'd likely have to deal with this problem _more thoroughly later_ - *he wasn't Wrong;* Then Dr Starline made his move - _taking control of most of his Badniks_ and one of his _Largest Cities._ Bringing *his own Biological Sonic Knock-Offs* out to fight their Rivals, and *weilding a* _Heroes-Inspired_ *Powerset,* he sought to _destroy the entire City_ to bring Sonic down - wasting so much of *EGGMAN'S resources* to do it! Dr Eggman didn't want to _beat_ Starline, he wanted *to Humiliate him.* To prove to him that *No Plan* _has enough Contingencies or Fail-Safes_ to succeed against someone *thinking and adapting at a Super-Sonic Speed* - something _Eggman has learnt to contend with,_ *and Match* whenever he fights Sonic... Being locked out of his more Modern *Death-Egg-Class Battle Robots,* Dr Eggman chose _an older Model_ that Starline would recognize - *the Egg Emperor from Sonic Heroes.* He understood that _when_ he out-piloted Starline with it, he'd resort to *the Tri-Power Glove - and waste its Energy* in *a display of the same powers* the Egg Emperor had fallen to previously. This would leave Starline with _just his Hypno-Glove_ to work with - a laughable issue to protect himself from. *All* of this comes from just _Eggman being Observant_ and being _able to Think on the Fly_ - if Starline could come up with something he didn't predict, *then* they'll have proven themselves to him! Needless to say, Dr Starline _failed to surpass his Expectations._ His Ego made him do *everything* Eggman predicted he would, leaving him _Powerless in a one-on-one physical Fight_ - where Dr Eggman *towered over him, literally!* A couple of attacks _unsuited for Intellectuals like themselves_ later, and Starline was *Broken - Physically and Psychologically...*

[@jimmyjeff1777]

People often forget that eggman, for all his intellect, is also quite physical strong

[@bradleyadams5252]

Jim carry robotnik had some military training.

[@gamemasterempier]

Lets not forget, eggman is STILL a power class and has an IQ of 300. somehow outruns sonic to get into his mech, punch a wall down if he worked out more, and was close enough to dominate the world. He is still and will always a force to be reconned with if sonic is not their to stop him at every turn. (these are feats I've seen him do in sonic games not counting the Olympics.)

[@purpderp]

Eggman can't outrun sonic its pretty clear sonic was either fatigued or holding back

[@wailmoregd140]

@@purpderp Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Eggman keeps pace with or flat out outruns Sonic on his way to the Death Egg Robot. He later repeats this feat in Sonic the Hedgehog 4. This is pretty common knowledge.

[@purpderp]

@wailmoregd140 however it's most likely he has holding back or tired had we never see eggman do anything on that level again

[@thetealturtwig5667]

he's kinda like the Bandits of Skyrim. A legitimate and serious threat to everyone except the character who's pov we've got.

[@XROSSGAMES]

seeing eggman outsmarting a villian like that only shows how good is he as a villian and how formidable is sonic as his nemesis making him look like a clawn most of the time

[@nakedmario9359]

Nha eggman is just playing with sonic he doesnt want to out right kill sonic he want humilate him

[@Chuyandknuckles]

@@nakedmario9359yea, he could kill Sonic if he wanted too.

[@luiginumbers6268]

@@Chuyandknucklescoming from someone who hasn’t played a Sonic game, that werewolf one seemed like eggman could’ve just killed Sonic outright instead of turning Sonic into an even greater furry. Bro took him out of super form by force, so it doesn’t really seem like he’s going for the kill until his greater plan is complete.

[@HaxeRain]

​@@luiginumbers6268the thing is, he expected the orbit reentry and fall to kill sonic, he is even like "I shouldn't even be surprised at this point you managed to survive THAT" and it was all cus Light Gaia bailed him from the fall, there is also that Sonic equally could have just finished eggman, but chooses not to because that's his moral code, he says it in this comic against Surge, him killing eggman or any villain would mean removing their ability to choose and exercise their freedom, he let's everyone choose and be free to do what they want but will stop them if they want to stop that for others, they both are ideal rivals for each other with their own morals and the moment one kills the other forgoing them, they will have lost in the end too

[@theeternalsuperstar3773]

4:18 Now Starline knows EXACTLY how Eggman feels.

[@lorefox201]

no he doesn't because eggman doesn't care about defeats he just tries again.

[@joadarium9605]

Honestly laughed my ass off watching Eggman SLAM HIM AROUND like Hulk ragdolling Loki in Avengers

[@bradleyadams5252]

Puny god...

[@MrKakuzukun]

We keep forgetting...eggman has an IQ of over 300

[@ashtonboutwell6154]

300 on the dot his iq is 300.

[@blastphantomgames6369]

Eggman after watching senator Armstrong once

[@samurairowe6486]

I've seen eggman create robots,survive an explosion,survive the most dangreous situations,but ever in my life.....never seen eggman weave a kick and throw hands OH MY LORD I'D BE COOK IF I GET PULLED UP AND SEEN HIM

[@georgemelton9017]

Bro he learned martial arts bruh sonic your spin dash ain't gonna help you this time

[@bloodkraft]

Bro Just imagine = Sonic Expidetion egg man boss he just insta kills you💀

[@iamafuckingfailure]

man really was 4 parallel universes ahead

[@metal_gear_rayquaza8914]

Starline. Buddy. Amigo. Bro-ski. You were going against a scientist who had the scientific prowess to tango with a hedgehog fast enough to break physics several times over, AND can physically throw hands with some of the stronger fighters the good guys have!

[@TVmantitan779]

AND HE GOT BEAT BY HIS OWN CREATIONS! LIKE BRO EGGMAN HAS NEVER BEEN BEATEN BY HIS OWN CREATIONS!

[@Kowery105]

@@TVmantitan779 What about Neo Metal Sonic capturing him?

[@lunaitor-uq9hz]

Can't wait for “Eggman wins with prep time” to become a meme

[@MysticPlasma]

the Egg needs no prep time, he runs your fade RAW

[@Red_Ryry]

It would be funny but like, all of his plans already require an incredible amount of prep time. You don’t chain entire planets together and build 5 amusement parks on them without prep time. Also the intro sequence to sonic unleashed was actually him pulling a similar stunt and using prep time… he just kind of made the mistake of not confiscating his opponents weapon before discarding the loser. (In unleashed’s case the chaos emeralds, in this case he confiscated the hypnotic glove)

[@jgoofy8233]

It's easy to forget that despite always relying on his mechs for battle, Eggman is still a grown ass man compared to the small mobians and can still throw hands by himself

[@XROSSGAMES]

in one of the games he basically destroys an ice wall punching it out off rage so he is not a weakling at all

[@jgoofy8233]

@@XROSSGAMES yeah in Lost World The Zeti absolutely pissed him off

[@clone6141]

Yeah its just the mobians he fights are ones who can absolutely beat his ASS even tails in a fist fight could beat eggman up

[@Bioburningk]

GOD DAMN EGGMAN CAN THROW HANDS

[@baconchilldev5760]

Idk what is more cursed, Eggman being able to throw hands or Zoro having sense of direction

[@serventium4049]

This isn't a fight. This is a massacre. Starline had no chance.

[@Netherwolf6100]

Imagine if Eggman fought Sonic with this level of precision. He admits that he wants to beat Sonic on his own level to prove his superiority but good god, this shows if he stopped f-ing around, Eggman could pose a serious threat like he used to 20 years ago. Now, he's more or less an arrogant jerk who doesn't think his plans all the way through and would rather try to control ancient gods, aliens and monsters than use his superior technological advances.

[@togeluga_the_cat]

he himself said it, he could carpet bomb sonic any time he wants, and we have SEEN what this man can do, on the same comic the infamous "Limit" scene happens

[@theeternalsuperstar3773]

I think the opposite. This shows that Eggman is ALWAYS precise and calculating. Starline's panic attack after Eggman pummeled him proves that. "I planned everything out to the smallest detail. I had every advantage. Accounted for every contingency. And I still lost. He destroyed all that effort in MINUTES." Sounds like how a little blue hedgehog sabotages a mustachioed scientist's schemes.

[@joshuahirosaka8887]

It would appear that Eggman can indeed throw hands

[@Titanus_Prime]

When did Eggman become such a menace in 2:39

[@locuscorvuswed336]

Actually looks like fawul from MaLSSS

[@AugustoEL]

I think that in c9mics and lore he has always been. He just prefers to use brains.

[@LaffyTaffy04]

He's always has been, it's just that Sonic is too fast and chaotic to ever get within manhandling range.

[@i_am_jarvistm7220]

Can we all just remember that, in Sonic X, despite being made out to be an absolute mockery by Sonic, he in turn makes a mockery of the MILITARY with nothing more than his typical pod that is mostly used for transportation and getaways? He may be a joke to the protagonist character of the franchise, but there's a reason why he's contested ONLY by that protagonist... and crew...

[@jaysherman2615]

Eggman is a scientist and more than likely modified his own body whether through augmented biology or by cybernetic enhancements. He is more than capable of just simply punching people into oblivion, but chooses not to most of the time.

[@dymaz6282]

Man, EGGMAN EGG BODY IS NOT FATNESS IS ACTUALLY MUSCLES

[@Victor-056]

He is like Wilson Fisk from Spiderman... The Kingpin's big body is _not_ fat, but _Pure Muscle._ Both Kingpin and Eggman are also incredibly intelligent, it is just that Eggman is on the level of Tony Stark.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

I _adore_ the throwback to Sonic Heroes, seeing the Egg Emperor come out of mothballs for another epic battle. But not as much as I adore Robotnik reminding everyone why he's the only Doctor anyone remembers! 🥚

[@TheSpeaker-cj1mo]

Bro when he grabbed the leg was like: damn... *he really bouta rock my shit.*