Starmer’s woke authoritarianism | Jacob Rees-Mogg

[@janewatson8108]

Love the Mogg, he’s the best thing on GBN.

[@nothanks3236]

He's absolutely right on the first question. And that's why he should abandon that party and join Reform.

[@ColonelMuppet]

Membership would go through the roof with his credibility

[@E9819_]

I'd normally argue he should form his own truly conservative party as Reform is more populist (not a bad thing) which doesn't really suit JRM but that would only split the vote. Reform needs to become a real contender to replace the Tories and to do that you need to be a unified but broad party. As long as everyone agrees on core policy factions are not a bad thing and can serve to bring not just balance but also appeal to a far broader voter base. I'm sure it's the same in the UK but here in Australia, I know moderates and conservatives who both tend to vote for the Liberals (our Tories). That's what Reform needs to strive for.

[@nothanks3236]

@@E9819_ Well, to be fair, since I wrote that comment, we've had the Habib situation, as well as them disavowing TR. At this point I'm starting to think Reform is a facade...

[@wentoneisendon6502]

Fantastic interview

[@ColonelMuppet]

@@nothanks3236 They said that about nascent right wing parties in Europe. The British public is slower to come around because of our appalling state broadcaster and progressive MSM. I have lots of friends on the Continent and they cannot believe the level of propaganda we are subjected to,

[@vicjones3992]

He is right ......by getting rid of Boris they showed that they were at the mercy of the civil service.....Jacob should have been leader...

[@rusticrye5413]

Jacob is such a knowledgeable and intelligent man. What a contrast with Starmer and his Cabinet, all of whom come across as a bunch of half-wits.

[@JamesKillswitchPolanco]

Jacob has a big fan from America right here for the last 8 years ✋ . So sad for you guys and the state of things. Rooting for you guys! 🇺🇸🇬🇧

[@roberttucker805]

Then do us all a big favour and vote for Trump! 🇬🇧🇺🇸

[@JamesKillswitchPolanco]

@@roberttucker805 No problem! Easy

[@brittonjames3335]

intelligent and well thought out interview and balanced, Join REFORM Mr Rees-Mogg your wasted in the conservative party.

[@MrEW1985]

The people who made a fuzz about Powell would under no circumstance allow any serious intellectual debate about migration. Speech or no speech.

[@davidguy209]

Keir Stoma- what a disgrace!

[@MB-st7be]

Mogg on Spiked? Christmas came early!

[@Elizabeth-jd3mn]

I'm afraid both Labour and Tories are both net zero climate zealots now. Both are bad for the country and neither have been able to grow the economy because neither of them have the courage or will to be bold and ambitious. They both prefer stagnation and decline in line with Europe.

[@andrewcheadle948]

Agreed.... Jelly Johnson would have wrecked the country one way or another, If not through his lunatic covid policies, his lunatic net zero policy!

[@johnl5316]

People are entitled to be "racist" about immigration. People have a right to stop all immigration

[@JckSwan]

I like JRM, but I think the problem with him is that he saw Parliament as just a bit of jolly good fun. Maybe it's not in his character, but we would've all benefited more had he been a tad more combative.

[@Jenjenilou]

Totally agree that the conspiracy against Boris was what finished me with the Conservatives. He wasn’t perfect but he was a proud Brit, talked the country up, not all this handwringing nonsense. They wanted him out and they hounded him out. His own party. Too much jealousy and infighting and factions in the Conservative Party. We need a party that will put the country first and foremost and the Tories weren’t it. Neither are Labour but that’s another story.

[@Elizabeth-jd3mn]

He wasn't a conservative, he's a spineless immoral liberal with a woke wife who wouldn't instigate conservative policies anyway. His instincts are liberal not conservative. The Tory party generally have become Blairite liberals.

[@andrewcheadle948]

Shame he was a weak woke net zero zealot! One way or another, he'd have wrecked the country!

[@jonnyconcrete1406]

Thank you Spiked for this podcast. Jacob is a real beacon of light in a party that is done and dusted. His political leaning and perspective is much closer aligned to Reform. He would be a valuable addition to Reform, unfortunately i do think he is resigned to over a decade in the political wildness with the Tories a waste of his intellect and talent !

[@davidrenton]

do we worry this might become an authoritarian goverment, oh you sweet summer child, it already is

[@msimms-lp5qw]

Others would call it strong leadership,

[@gilly5094]

@msims only the mentally feeble, or those with communist beliefs, would support advantaging outsider groups over their own vulnerable citizens.

[@syracuseephelump9995]

@@msimms-lp5qw still others, dictatorial.

[@msimms-lp5qw]

@@syracuseephelump9995 Not yet up to Stallin or Hitlers class, but give him time

[@johnlongford1734]

What a shock, a politician who actually answers the questions.

[@gj7392]

But all of this was happening under your govt Mogg.

[@Poppy-gq7lf]

Through all the Tory betrayals, scandals and messes, I still can't help but have massive affection for the Mogg. 🤷‍♀

[@MrGenedancingmachine]

Conservatives always talk a big game but when the time comes to make the final step on a particular issue, they shrivel and wither away, seen it with Farage, seen it with Mogg..

[@davidrenton]

What is the point of the Tories, the answer to growth is relatively easy, esp as none of the west is doing it either. Cheap Energy, lower regulations, low tax , invest in hard science at schools You wish to reduce poverty, then have cheap energy, creates investment, creates jobs, increases the tax take, reduces unemployment. Net Zero will make the poor poorer we all know that, so for some virtue signalling points, so 2 Teir Keir can go to Davo's and proudly announced he destroyed the UK Economy before the Germans, millions will suffer. The Tories and Labour are filled with exactly the wrong type of people. These are not people who have excelled in Business, innovation , tough projects. They are the worst equiped people to have in office We need to remove from office the likes of Cooper, Lammy, May, all useless. These are not the 'elites', they are the slowest, least capable people. I would not employ one of them to clean the toilets as that would be beyond them

[@TheBenchPressMan]

you forget one major thing, the social state. It’s is beyond unaffordable now, and must be stopped before it makes everyone so poor that’s self implodes (which btw it will do).

[@davidrenton]

@@TheBenchPressMan you are not wrong, you cannot have a working economy, state health care with uncontrolled immigration/ Private enterprise will always be the main driver behind any successful economy. So you need to reduce the friction for that to flourish Sure you need some regulation, but a lot you can probaly do away with They bang on about wealth inequality , but the best method as the saying goes, a rising tide, raises all ships The UK is in a prime position to out compete it's european neighbours, because in theory we can do things they cannot, but we restrict ourselves, re Corporation tax, legislation that keeps up tied to Europe and nullfies any benefit's we can have This should'nt even be a political issue, all parties should be , lets have the best trained, educated workforce possible, but none of them seem bothered. Thinking importing millions of low skilled labour, which the majority is , will somehow work out How many deliveroo drivers, waiters does the UK need, i don't think an economy based on that will be a high functioning economy

[@davidrenton]

@@TheBenchPressMan the much vaunted NHS, yet in Europe they tend to pay less for healthcare and get better results. People are dogmactic, almost fanactical about the NHS. My position is if it does'nt work, then reform, scrap it, get a better alternative When they say we need more doctors, nurses, yes of course to cater for the 10+ million extra people in the country. So we need to import Doctors, to deal with the imported people, it's never ending. We need politicans who don't just say it but act. Immigration solves nothing , it does'nt help the economy, it's does'nt help the aging issue, also Net Zero is pointless, the world is not going to end, these 'solutions' will do nothing to fix any issues and will just make us poorer, therefore less likely to be able to fix actual issues with the planet

[@TheBenchPressMan]

@@davidrenton totally agree with you 100%. The only point i make about the social state is that is simply takes up essentially all the tax revenue the government collects. Government spending continues to climb and climb, yet actually government expenditure on capital projects and infrastructure has been falling year on year since the 1960s. We can argue for less regulation, lower taxes and such, but i don’t think it will happen until a Thatcherite revival post a huge global 1973 like oil shock. We could however spend the atrocious amount of money we tax our people on productive infrastructure (roads, railways, energy generation, energy storage, energy distribution, freight rail yards, canal regeneration, motorway expansion, industrial capacity growth etc - not houses btw, these are not productive) and see great gains, instead we spend it on social projects that are a drain, that as i said, is and has been unaffordable since the 1970sz

[@ianelliott8224]

Fantastic to hear that some tories are finally grasping the pernicious nature of the equalities act. and the woke agenda.

[@Elizabeth-jd3mn]

He's a tiny minority. He'll not be a majority now the Tories are a Blairite liberal party. The party had 14 years to sort out the social and cultural problems but did nothing until they were behind in the polls then they did minimal to virtue signal. This country needs a bold courageous party....the Tories will never be that again.

[@ianelliott8224]

@@Elizabeth-jd3mn Agreed. Hitchens expression for them all is Gramshian euro communists after Antonio Gramshi, the cultural Marxist philosopher.

[@Isisbridge]

Boris had the mandate, but wasted it. So good riddance to bad rubbish.

[@theearlofgrantham9816]

Who remembers Moggmentum? Those were the days.

[@nickhanlon9331]

7.35 Or you could build robots to pick the fruit.

[@stevealba4599]

🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:00:14 *💡 Jacob Rees-Mogg critiques the current government's approach to economic management, specifically criticizing their focus on reducing carbon dioxide emissions, which he argues lowers the standard of living.* 00:00:55 *📉 Rees-Mogg reflects on the Conservative Party's defeat, attributing it to the dismissal of Boris Johnson and a perceived disrespect towards voters who had supported him.* 00:02:18 *🇪🇺 He discusses the inherent challenges the Conservative Party faced in implementing Brexit, given its leadership and a significant portion of its MPs initially opposed the referendum result.* 00:03:26 *🚫 Rees-Mogg criticizes the Windsor Agreement for making Northern Ireland subservient to Brussels, highlighting ongoing issues with VAT adjustments in the UK as a result.* 00:04:22 *🐷 He mentions bureaucratic challenges within the government, particularly in relation to unnecessary trade controls, using the example of Romanian pork to illustrate bureaucratic overreach.* 00:06:44 *📉 Discusses the need for a significant reduction in both legal and illegal immigration to promote a technologically advanced and automated economy in the UK.* 00:08:18 *🔇 Rees-Mogg expresses concerns over an increasing crackdown on free speech and lawful but disliked expressions, under current legislative trends.* 00:11:11 *📢 He addresses the long-term impacts of identity politics and "woke" agendas within the Conservative Party, critiquing past leadership for not effectively opposing these movements.* 00:13:42 *⚡ Rees-Mogg argues that the goals of achieving Net Zero and economic growth are incompatible, claiming that policies focused on reducing carbon emissions are detrimental to economic development.* Made with HARPA AI

[@sambadham1404]

10:37 she didn't she said 'they can burn down the hotels for ALL I CARE' that is not incitement to be violent it is merely not being against it if others choose too. Exactly the same as when starmer took the knee during the BLM riots. If she got prosecuted for that then Starmer should be prosecuted for taking the knee.

[@gusmlie]

Jrm was part of the problem that gave us Stalin.

[@jane---489]

*_At this point I'm pretty tired of us all just endlessly talking - I seriously think that it time for a little action ..._*

[@breohtbrusmid489]

Im sorry, what!? I never voted for that Johnson clown and neither did non party members.

[@Sid-Cannon]

The Brexit we voted for never happened, politicians made sure of that. What we ended up with was a million miles away from what we voted for, and Boris should have had the balls to just say No Deal. Now whether that would have been career suicide or not, he got in on "Get Brexit Done" and he would have got far more respect from the public if he would have done that. Him being pro Brexit mattered not one jot in the end.

[@yalmahond2813]

He talks some real rubbish - clearly believes in 'global warming' and says mass migration is *not* about race. Pathetic

[@mitchtupelo76]

I like Mogg, he's a nice chap, with good manners. I even agree with him on a lot of policy. His father's defence of the Rolling Stones was incredible and bizarre. But he is completely deluded about the Conservatives and Boris Johnson. What did Johnson actually conserve? He pushed the climate tyranny harder than anyone. He created ULEZ for crying out loud. He has no small responsibility in the disaster that is the Ukraine-Russia war. Fact is the Tories need to be abandoned to the dustbin of history, and this is the only way for a genuinely conservative, classically liberal consensus to form in the UK. It's become so serious that I might even say it's either the destruction of the Tories or the destruction of the UK. You are by far the worst opposition party anywhere in the Western world. And I say that as an Australian, with our awful Liberals. Who needs Labour when you have Tory elites?

[@peaceharmony74]

We wonder how many people regret voting labour into office... Vote reform at next year's local elections and let the government know how you feel

[@benphilips7235]

In relation to fruit picking, a) how did we produce fruit in the days before Romanian and other pickers; b) if the fruit farms (or any other business) cannot pay a living wage, it is not a business. Finally what are we doing about the x million Brits who are claiming benefits but not actually working? That again represents a colossal waste of tax payers' money as well as being highly damaging to their own lives.

[@lizl4158]

Students picked fruit, they also worked canning the harvest on short term summer jobs. Now students have massive loans and are often too elite to stoop to manual labour. The links to this work are now broken. The law says the farmers must pay minimum wage (or above) regardless of the heritage of the workforce. Employers allegedly preferred European fruit pickers as their work ethic surpassed ours. The NFU was anti-Brexit. Jacob’s knowledge of farming is not the best, shifting production to a monoculture of corn is not a viable option for many farms. You can see them simply selling up fro development. The welfare standards of pigs is the issue for the chief vet, we cannot hypocritically expect high standards in the UK and undermine this with imports of a lesser standard, which does the consumer want high standards or cheap meat? Jacob is not a details man he’s an ideologue.

[@familycompactthegrange7014]

People may have voted initially for Boris, but became very disenchanted with his conduct, or lack of it, in office. He only had a mandate in the beginning.

[@Backwardlooking]

Unfortunately the Conservative Parliamentary Party’s behaviour post Brexit revealed their contempt for their membership’s values and views. Crossing the floor of the House, sounding-off like the baby in the pram and tossing their toys across the media did nothing to retain party members’s votes or endear themselves. It only demonstrated how childish and prima Donna were some Ministers and M.P..s were in reality with their clearly inflated sense of importance. It was hard to actually see them as Conservatives so closely aligned to the Liberal Left’s views on the E.U. and globalisation they demonstrated in reality. That and their self indulgent infighting and continued lip service to their membership. On every occasion they undermined the trust and loyalty of not merely their membership but the electorate. They played into the hands of our biased leftist media and literally scored multiple own goals. That Labour secured an overwhelming majority on a miserable share of the votes only underlines the aforementioned comments. And yet, the majority of the Leadership candidates still adhere to the E.ac.H.U. and have moved away from core Conservative values.

[@msimms-lp5qw]

Cant see how this fuel policy has anything to do with being woke

[@mrsmith7019]

Although I take the point, there may be better examples re comparative advantage. In the event of war, we'd need to be able to produce certain things ourselves, including fruit, so a certain amount of capacity must be maintained.

[@bhencho5256]

The haunted pencil

[@Slumbert]

Boris was/is a globopopulist.

[@9n3-]

Jacob you voted for the lockdown come on

[@--Dani]

One speech made a getting a handle on immigration…excuse!!!

[@deal2live]

They wish to lower uk carbon footprint per person!!!

[@edmunddengler7687]

This man demonstrates why Conservatives lost. "One way free trade" ignores all the jobs you lose. He will not lose his job, and he clearly does not care if others do. Luxury beliefs.

[@ColonelMuppet]

Best Tory politician alive is JRB 😊

[@davidhoban3825]

I haven't listened to this but going on the headlines/topics that were seemingly covered during this podcast, for Rees Mog, who was silent during the lockdowns and subsequent insanity, to now question authoritarianism coming from the other side, is galling. As for Net Zero, it was Teresa May who made what was the 2050 net zero target into a legal obligation. He thinks we are stupid.

[@MikeSmith-go8wk]

But what has Mogg actually done. He hasn't spoken up nearly enough

[@Elizabeth-jd3mn]

And when he does he keeps defending his failing party like a braindead tribalist.

[@someguy7564]

He would argue he was bound by collective responsibility for some of his time as he was part of the cabinet, so he could not speak out

[@xelakram]

JRM says in this video that you want your trade to be as free as possible. Yes, of course. That is one of the main reasons why Brexit was such a dumb, stupid idea! Duh!

[@MattyR472]

Wasn’t free to trade with nations outside the EU though was it?

[@xelakram]

@@MattyR472 We didn't need to. We were part of the club and we were free to trade with all those nations which the EU had negotiated excellent trading deals with. The EU had muscle. The UK has little by comparison. That is why we are going downhill faster than a boulder on an icy day! Gone are the days when we had huge muscle. The Empire is as dead as the proverbial dodo. Now we are free to make our trading relations with Togo and the Christmas Islands!

[@shelleyphilcox4743]

​@@xelakramWhat is our biggest export and can you point me to trade deals that helped with our RoW trade?

[@xelakram]

@@shelleyphilcox4743 What is this some kind of school test in junior school, or something? Cars, mechanical power generators, medicinal and pharmaceutical products, crude oil are our biggest exports. On your next question, no, I can’t point you to trade deals with our ROW trading partners. How on earth would you expect me to know that? If you need that information, I suggest that you spend your time doing some searches on Google. Clearly, you are trying to be clever. I write as an economist, not as a trader. I know that walking away from the largest, most successful single market in the world - _the_ Single Market - was a really stupid move. Nobody who understands economics does such a thing, especially when that market is on our doorstep. FYI, Margaret Thatcher worked very hard to bring the Single Market about. She was one of its main architects. Nobody with any understanding even of economics 101 would advocate such a thing. This is why this country will struggle for many years to come to try and achieve any significant economic growth. The Single Market is a market of 449 million consumers. And those consumers are largely affluent, too. Stupid is as stupid does! End of story.

[@MrNPC]

@@xelakram What you advocate for is Britains membership of a protection racket which harms poorer countries.

[@keithkhan174]

And more & more of a muslamic state by the week.

[@Susan.W]

I hope Sir Starmer doesn't get assassinated

[@Isisbridge]

Trump was saved by an act of God, but Starmer is an atheist.

[@javierfuente1395]

I can't stand him or his rotten party but this comment is stupid and you should edit it.

[@Hrossey]

@@javierfuente1395that’s a little authoritarian of you, don’t you think? your will be done is it? Two Tier Javier so you are! Still love ya big guy x

[@Isisbridge]

@@javierfuente1395 You're right. There should be a full stop at the end.

[@davidrenton]

@@javierfuente1395 she did say she hope it does'nt happen, of course he could fall of a ladder putting up a TV aerial , which i'm not sure would even make the news

[@highlands]

1. I don't agree that maximum free trade is a benefit. Some protectionism is reasonable, particularly when you have countries like China dumping cheap steel in an attempt to destroy the European steel industry or price-fixing cartels like OPEC. And not to forget that British industry is effectively hamstrung by insane Government policies like high energy costs and obscene levels of bureaucracy. He sort of gets this later in the interview but doesn't seem to understand the inherent contradictions. 2. JRM's opinion of the 'Rivers Of Blood' speech is at least partially guided by his own wrongly held belief about its content. In his interview with Steven Edginton, JRM claimed there was no evidence for 'excreta pushed through letter-boxes', a claim from the speech where Powell is relaying an anonymous constituents experiences. However, in a BBC Radio 4 documentary titled 'The Woman Who Never Was', not only did they manage to identify the woman who made the claims, they interviewed Black people who had moved into the street and grown up when this woman had lived there and admitted they had pushed faeces through her letter box and, IIRC, thrown a dead cat through a window. 3. A Country that produces nothing is not sustainable. It benefits nobody here to off-shore labour except big business. JRM's example of fruit picking might mean cheaper fruit but what of the loss of fruit varieties that won't be produced and the loss of biodiversity that ensues? Why support crap Moroccan raspberries when those grown in Scotland are the best in the World? Again this goes back to Government. They have the power to make anything unaffordable. Until we stop that we can't fix the problems that hurt British Farmers, Engineers, Craftsmen and other businesses. God forbid the rest of the World discover they too can shuffle paper around because under JRMS vision we'd be well and truly fucked.