*STARSHIP TROOPERS* had us exhilarated (First time watching reaction)

[@FaceTheQwazaar]

There's an interview with Paul Verhoeven where he's talking about how people didn't get that the movie was a satire on fascism and militarism and he was like "I thought we made it pretty clear when we put Doogie Howser in an SS uniform, but I guess not"

[@Slopmaster]

When has Paul Verhoeven ever been subtle? 😂

[@gregorygunn7508]

He also showed them having democracy, a free press, capitalism, a volunteer army, leaders being held accountable, as well as racial and gender equality. But sure, trench coats means fascism.

[@karldammann]

@@gregorygunn7508 Arguing with the directors own quotes is kinda idiotic, makes you look just like the brainwashed facist bootlickers they satirize in the film. ""Ed and I disagreed with Robert Heinlein and we felt that we needed to counter with our own narrative," he explains. "Basically the political undercurrent of the film is that these heroes and heroines are living in a fascist utopia - but they are not even aware of it! They think this is normal. And somehow you are seduced to follow them, and at the same time, made aware that they might be fascists.""

[@korganrocks3995]

@@gregorygunn7508 A volunteer army filled with brainwashed highschool graduates who joined because their media, their leaders and even their TEACHERS have been filling their heads with patriotic propaganda isn't a volunteer army; it's the military industrial complex figuring out how to get fresh meat for the grinder without upsetting the general populace with something like the draft. If the fascism in this movie doesn't look too bad that tells you something about how close we're getting to fascism in the US and UK today.

[@paulmerviel1617]

@@gregorygunn7508 Hi there, fellow Sargon subscriber!

[@TheAcydbuzz]

It's fun watching someone experience this movie for the first time. After you've watched it a hundred plus times, it's easy to forget how much fun it was the first time.

[@JackDoThings]

so I’m not the only one who has watched Starship Troopers over 50 times? Thanks for validating me

[@tiffanytosh1569]

I went to the theater first. Then got it on Pay-Per-View a couple of years later. Watched it 10+ times. Love this movie. It’s based on a novel written by Robert A. Heinlein. It’s nothing like the book, though.

[@nickmanzo8459]

“The enemy cannot push a button… if you disable his hand!!!” This always makes me crack up XD

[@Browncoat66]

MEDIC!!!!! LOL!

[@Subjectivity13]

Though once you're in the same room together, nukes are probably no longer an option.

[@kedolan4992]

@@Subjectivity13 Sure, but commandos/spies are a thing.

[@oliverm3589]

The best part is that it's Mr Krabs.

[@jackspringheel9963]

@Tony Sacre - that's the best line in movie history. Shakespeare? Doesn't even come close.

[@WingManFang1]

As a war time parody it’s great, as sci-fi horror it’s great, but as a romance or drama it was above most in the saddest ways. This movie truly is Legendary.

[@Ozai75]

I actually got to ask a couple of questions to the actor who played Xander and he said his favorite scene was the Outpost scene (which they shot as a Remake of Zulu) and the creepiest scene was when they had the fully animatronic version of his head (with the brain bug sucker thing in it) and they Operators kept making it look at him and open and close it's mouth.

[@Sandrock313]

Fun fact, the combat uniforms were later reused in Power Rangers Lost Galaxy. Love this, keep up the good work guys

[@Vash001]

They're also the Alliance uniforms in Firefly

[@Slopmaster]

and “Imposter”

[@ThreadBomb]

Another fun-ish fact. They were going to use the uniforms in the sequel, but the studio forced the director to use an inferior digital camera which made the uniforms strobe, so they had to make new uniforms in only a couple of weeks.

[@alucard624]

@@ThreadBomb That second film was terrible. 3 wasn't much better but at least Casper Van Dien came back. The anime films are pretty good for the most part.

[@Vash001]

@@alucard624 I will agree with you on that. They redeemed the series a bit with STI and STTM, the 90s CGI cartoon ain't bad either. And the 80s laser disk anime is fucking amazing

[@danieln6700]

Love this movie, the CGI on the bugs still holds up pretty well.

[@Cyborganna]

Something about the computers back then that could render really solid looking structures, that you don't see so much in movies today. That's why stuff like Jurassic Park still looks fantastic. And they took a lot of care with lighting dynamics, too.

[@ARStudios2000]

@@Cyborganna and they used physical props and what not with CGI on top of it to make it look more believable.

[@Cyborganna]

@@ARStudios2000 Absolutely, but I'm specifically talking about the application of digital effects and how those computers rendered more solid looking objects. Just watch a masterpiece like Terminator 2, and see how much weight the T-1000 has between transformations. Sure, you notice the polygons a little more and sometimes the texture maps look a bit pixelated in places, but overall the work then felt more tangible (when done with care, obviously). 💖

[@infolker]

@@Cyborganna This just makes no sense... there is nothing to do with the computer or how much they care about lighting dynamics. around 1998 there was just no way to care about lighting dynamics at all.

[@Cyborganna]

@@infolker Intelligent rebuttal. 😑

[@Over_Lord_1492]

For the ones that also watched Stranger Things last season. Chrissy, the cheerleader killed by Vecna, her name is Grace Van Dien and is the daughter of Casper Van Dien (Johnny Rico)

[@agp11001]

Finding out about that made me feel old.

[@jesternario]

In the book, the military recruiters were purposefully using scare tactics to get as many people to choose to quit as possible. They used multiple amputees, many videos that told horror stories, and constantly telling them it was better to quit now than die in a war they didn't care about. Because the setting has a military government, they want to make sure that only those that understand and care for their lives and the lives of others join, and make sure they're well aware of what they will face.

[@jamesloll4601]

I... actually like that ideal in the military... Shit gets serious fast when it's your mission to kill the enemy BEFORE they kill you and in that aspect of reality? Brutal. Least this version TELLS you what will happen to you if the enemy gets the jump ON YOU and what you have to look forwards to IF you happen to survive. It's always a good point for our military to give the real 'realities' you face when joining. If not? Our military is blowing sunshine up your ass as one of MY drill sergeants told me. Save? HIS point was women and actually getting laid in the military. Lets face it, in the military STILL, men out number the women ten to one and getting laid versus getting gay? Going gay is MORE likely... LMAO. Same note? Most straight men will stay exactly that... so... not to many men are going to get laid but? Women WILL noticed disciplined men that do come back. We're bad boys with experience and disciplined enough to generally have better control over OUR finances.

[@tbone9474]

I forgot about that bit, need to reread it sometime

[@pedrolopez8057]

In the movie though the human race was losing (something most people miss) and accepting 12 year olds.

[@tbone9474]

@@pedrolopez8057 they aren't accepting 12 year olds in the movie, it was just a propaganda bit.

[@jesternario]

@@pedrolopez8057 Pretty sure the 12-year old shown in the beginning was a morale joke to get people more relaxed before the government started pushing the mobile infantry recruitment.

[@sylvainfrancoeur5905]

I do remember watching it in theater and everyone was screaming when they were killing bugs. Honestly, i never saw that again in a theater. It was just so amasing that i had to put Starship Troopers in my best theater experience of my life.

[@solokom]

I remember a similar thing happen. When I watched Independence Day in the theatre and Will Smith's character punches the alien in the face with the legday "welcome to earth" line the hole theatre erupted in cheering and applause. That was my best Cinema experience ever. 😄

[@DuggyDarko]

The most American thing I've ever read.

[@sylvainfrancoeur5905]

@@DuggyDarko From a french canadian :D

[@DuggyDarko]

@@sylvainfrancoeur5905 sorry I was supposed to be replying to the other guy 😂

[@PeterZeeke]

same

[@YolandaAnneBrown95726]

The cast was nervous doing the shower scene, so Verhoeven jumped into the scene COMPLETELY NAKED and this broke the ice, getting the scene done. That's dedication!

[@keithmays8076]

What? He just wanted to hangout with the guys. Nothing gay about that. Ummm.... Sir. We haven't started filming yet. Shhhh! Don't spoil the moment.

[@primepm8861]

Shit, I'd fucking require the whole Goddamn film crew to strip naked for that scene if that were possible. Don't need pants to be a key grip.

[@ChrisMaxfieldActs]

The gals were naked, too.

[@chrislyne377]

I don't think that's quite true. What I read was that they refused to do it unless Verhoeven and the crew had to be naked as well and, fair play to him, he and the crew did so. But it was the actors challenging him rather than him volunteering to put them at ease.

[@robertryan7204]

Shower scene where men and women showered together, represents the dehumanising aspect of a fascist military existence. You are a soldier first human being second

[@bronzewand]

This is actually a very sad and deep story purposely hidden behind the mask of a silly action/high school romance movie

[@fredcasdensworld]

Yeah, the dangers of a fascist society creating a war just for the sake of having a war is certainly relevant in this day and age

[@sircdrom]

Yeah, not only are all the significant events happening to Rico very sad but the overall story of Rico and Carmen extremely tragic. They grow up optimistic wanting to explore the world and they both loose the love of their lives (presumably) and just end up fighting a war that will either see them dead or with a lot of dead friends.

[@jiiaga5017]

@@sircdrom Well, the framing of the movie is of a future ruled by an autocratic military state with tiered citizenship. That's pretty brutal.

[@robertryan7204]

Paul puts an amazing amount of references to World War 2( Movie Title " example SS Troopers") it also is a history of Nazi Germany in WW2. Essentially the movie is about propaganda and how it distorts facts

[@allighast9714]

Lol big bug movie go boom

[@Billinois78]

20:33 "You're it until you're dead, or until I find someone better" - Michael Ironside "Aw, my wedding vows" - Mike Nelson

[@wallyhellblazer6905]

I am from buenos aires argentina and rico made us proud! Thanks to him we are now 100% free of space bugs! God bless you rico

[@NowioFel]

In the movie Buenos Aires is a wealthy place without crime... does that hold up in reality?

[@wallyhellblazer6905]

@@NowioFel nope XD we have all kind of crimes...but 100% space bugs free.

[@davidthomas4282]

A wingman who can play violin!! A dream come true,

[@larspunk86]

You called it when you spoke of how the ship shot reminded you of old school miniatures. That’s how the ship exteriors were done. They did some seriously beautiful work there.

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

They just don't make 'em like that anymore 😔 Thanks for watching!

[@ARStudios2000]

@@NiceDudeMovieNight I agree. I wish more films used more practical props and effects and the CGI used to enhance that to really make things even better

[@p_goth8258]

One of the many brilliant things I love about this film was the film score by Basil Poledouris (who died in 2006 from lung cancer), whose credits include the film scores for Conan the Barbarian, Robocop, Hunt for Red October amongst many others. The track titled "The Klendathu Drop" is simply brilliant!

[@carsilk2492]

Would you like to know more? During the prom scene when they're all dancing to the woman singing "I Have Not Been To Paradise", that's Basil's daughter, Zoe. That song is great, too!

[@HeatRaver]

"Klendathu Drop" always gets me so hype! Like, LET'S GO!!

[@robinparish8396]

I'm a (mature) student studying film in London and this video filled me so much joy. I wish could rewatch every film I've ever seen but with these two. In such a cynical world, it's people like this that we should all have in our lives. Can't wait to watch their entire back catalogue.

[@The_RedVIII]

Can I say that I love how your channel just immediately starts with you guys watching the movie? No damn introduction needed. So refreshing. I love it.

[@RunBayou]

It's been really cool to see the appreciation this film has gotten over the past several years.

[@brandongnuschke6054]

So glad you guys watched this! Starship Troopers is a masterpiece and I will fight anyone who disagrees

[@A-small-amount-of-peas]

Mike Tyson disagrees

[@brandongnuschke6054]

@@A-small-amount-of-peas I will fight, and I will win.

[@A-small-amount-of-peas]

@@brandongnuschke6054 Logan Paul! Is that you?

[@OmarLivesUnderSpace]

Fight Heinlein's fanboys then

[@piotrk.8652]

They should watch ST2, some things are clearing out, if I remember correctly.

[@kingman450]

I just wanna let you guys know that you have been my new favorite set a reactors. You make it really enjoyable to watch these movies along with you. Keep it up!

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

Thank you so much 😭 We're really glad you enjoy!

[@TatsuChi]

@@NiceDudeMovieNight theres 2 sequels to this the 2nd is kinda meh and feels more like spin-off/side story and the 3rd picks up with Rico again to finish off his story arc (sort of) also if you want an interesting/strange movie to react to that the two of you might not have seen try The Adventures of Baron Munchausen

[@ThreadBomb]

@@TatsuChi The sequel Starship Troopers 2 was made for almost no money and gets generally shat on, but I think it's good for what it is. It's not really an action movie, more an updated version of The Thing. It was directed by Phil Tippett, who did the creature effects for the first movie. And yes, Baron Munchausen is a great film.

[@TatsuChi]

@@ThreadBomb thats fair to say, and by meh i was meaning its kinda middle of the road rather than down right awful

[@mrharrison4948]

Totally agree 😀

[@Inconsistent-Dogwash]

I was so into this movie as a teenager, watched it repeatedly and got a book on the making, which I remember bringing into school once.

[@Silenced23]

I saw this movie in the movie theaters back in the day, and it was such a great experience because once Michael Ironside said make it that 20 minutes the whole audience erupted cheering not only on that scene but a lot of other scenes the crowd was just going wild in the theater it was a great time.

[@TheInfinityzeN]

I love Starship Troopers, both this movie and the book. There are such great differences between the two that they do not spoil each other, unlike what commonly happens with movies based on a book. If you like the movie then I suggest reading the book. You will not be disappointed.

[@wendywoodruff2871]

Clancy Brown is epic in Highlander. And Jake Busey in The Frighteners (directed by Peter Jackson). Both movies remind me of Starship Troopers in that you start out going wtf but they build a whole world that sucks you in. Fun video Nice Dudes!

[@_Jay_Maker_]

Oh my god, Clancy Brown utterly dominates Highlander and walks all over that screen. He's also _fucking huge_ in that film. "Mom!"

[@78vinyl97]

I second the frighteners.fun movie.

[@rickardroach9075]

And everyone’s favourite _Shawshank_ prison guard!

[@ChibiHelloween]

The "Val Kilmer" is Jake Busey, Gary Busey´s son, just one among a lot of great names in this movie like Ironside, Richards, Brown and Harris. The not so subtle militarism going on in that universe is a great touch on the usual Space Marine trope right down to idea of "You are not a citizen unless you have served in the army" and Neil Patrick Harris slowly wearing more and more fascistic looking uniforms as the movie progresses And besides the Verhoeven-isms, it´s a damn fun Space Opera to watch

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

Well said! It uses the sci-fi backdrop really well, and it makes the movie more "accessible" to people who aren't normally into political satires

[@rccraig7580]

Yes Gary and Jake Busey. Gary was in Predator 2 1990 while Jake appeared in The Predator from 2018.

[@kylejde]

i was gonna point out Jake Busey as well...he totally pulls off the "crazy look" he gets from his dad....Check him out in "Contact" as well

[@heavycritic9554]

@@kylejde He's brilliant as the radicalized preacher in Contact, yes. Basically perfect casting, in a small but pivotal role.

[@ThreadBomb]

Jake was also in the TV series of From Dusk Till Dawn (the movie would be great for a reaction, BTW - script by Tarantino).

[@evilzzzability]

Michael Ironside is my favourite actor. He elevates anything that he's in - absolute legend.

[@dalevintage]

I saw this in the theater when it came out. It IMMEDIATELY joined the ranks of my all time favorite sci-fi!!! Such a killer cast and a fantastic movie!

[@SpaDeKo]

This is my all time favorite movie, and has been for 20 years. I would Strongly suggest you guys to have a look at Pandorum from 2009. Very good Sci-fi movie and hugely underrated!

[@HoldenTudiks81]

For years I never knew that was Gary Busey son, they even have the same face.😂🤣💙💙

[@arisucheddar3097]

Those, and the Quaid genes, are some strong genes.

[@maxcooper6554]

I loved the fact that you guys were just as jazzed about this movie as I am! I never miss an upload rom you guys, keep it up!

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

Thank you, we will! 😁

[@CrashHulkman]

Commenting for the algorithm: I’m doing my part! Great reaction to a great film. A lot of people misinterpret this film as being just straight pro-fascist instead of a satire on fascism. Satire tends to fly over a lot of heads. Classic Verhoeven!

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

Oh the satire is staggering in this one, lol! Thanks for doing your part 🙌

[@unittype]

@@NiceDudeMovieNight Oh, don't underestimate this. I worked in a small German village cinema when the movie came out. It was not a huge blockbuster flick for us but we had it nearly a year in the late shows on weekends and it did pretty well being some underdog nerdy sleeper hit. But boy, from the reactions of the people after the movie and the word of mouth it generated over the time (no internet in that time, folks!), especially the 16-21 age range got it completely wrong, attracting more and more people who actually did not get that satire part at all. It was strange to fire up the projectors, grab some popcorn and sit with ~50 people on a Saturday night where half of the audience was hooting the wohle time for its obvious laugh at racism and the other half for - well - the exact opposite.

[@ThreadBomb]

I confess that I didn't get the movie the first time I saw it, seeing it as an anti-Arab movie based on the first Gulf War. I dunno, maybe I missed the opening parody news segments? Anyway, I got it on second viewing and now think it's one of the great science fiction movies.

[@platinumspider7859]

@@ThreadBomb Yes Robert Heinlein wrote a book in 1959 about the Gulf War so they could make the movie when it finally happened.

[@jakubfabisiak9810]

@@NiceDudeMovieNight Speaking of satire - you might wanna try tracking down "Sexmission" - unfortunately, I don't think a dubbed version exists, so you'd have to watch with subtitles, but oh well. It's a 1984 Polish comedy about two guys that volounteer for a cryosleep experiment for 3 years, but instead wake up 53 years later, after a global war in a world where men are extinct, and it's all females. The film is a satire of sociallist regimes disguised as a sci-fi comedy to get it past censorship (which back in 1984 Poland was purely political - the same censorship had no problem with scenes of gratuituous nudity in the film).

[@TormentedPenguin]

This is truly one of my favourite movies.. it's always got something going on.. the lines are still great to this day and the effects aren't even dated decades later.

[@reginald1817]

One of my fav films of all times. One thing I've always loved about Veerhoven, is that his death scenes were always so incredibly purposefully realistic. He liked that!😅😁

[@blitzkrieg4689]

So glad you guys both agreed that ACE is awesome we all want a buddy like him always got ya back.

[@Hurbie_53]

@26:30 "Why do they look like SS officers?" Fully intended by Verhoeven as the whole movie was shot in a way to portrait how litterally attractive and alluring fascism can look, how tempting and it can seem as a society model. The cast was selected with their youth and attractiveness in mind. Verhoeven experienced the german occupied Netherlands having been born 1938 and it was a commentary on how fascism can sneak back into a society. Nevertheless was the movie often criticised for glamorizing and glorifying fascism.

[@korganrocks3995]

It really is amazing that anyone managed to watch this movie without noticing the blindingly obvious satire...

[@paulmerviel1617]

I see the satire, however, despite liking this movie a lot, I criticise it for misunderstanding fascism. The resignation of Sky Marshall Dienes for the failure of the Klendathu invasion would never happen in a true fascist society. Verhoeven should know that fascist leaders never accept responsibility for military failures because they identify themselves with the state, and build their cult of personality for the armed foeces to worship. I may be blind, but I never saw any such thing in this movie.

[@korganrocks3995]

@@paulmerviel1617 Boris Johnson campaigned for Brexit, then resigned when they won, only to end up as prime minister a year or so later once the dust had settled and the voters had forgotten to be angry at him. Who is to say Sky Marshall Dienes won't show up again in some capacity? The fascist government in this movie are actually successful, unlike most we've seen irl, with the possible exception of China.

[@paulmerviel1617]

@@korganrocks3995 What the hell does Boris Johnson have to do with fascism?

[@korganrocks3995]

@@paulmerviel1617 I mean, that's a hilariously naive question, because if you don't think the Tories are creeping towards fascism(albeit not as quickly as the Republican party), then you haven't been paying attention. However, in this particular case, I just picked the first politician that came to mind who resigned and stayed out of the public eye long enough for public outrage to cool down before making a comeback, ending up leading the entire country. Sky Marshall Dienes could do the same thing. If you'd read both paragraphs of my comment I'm sure you could have put two and two together and figured that out, so please try that next time instead of reading the first line and giving up.

[@marioalfonso9582]

I cannot believe i sat thru 30 min of you guys reviewing my fav movie of all time. Thank you for the kind word of the film, and ur reactions were the best !! XD i died laughing so many times lol !! God bless

[@ministryoflies1344]

I enjoyed this rewatch with you both. Partly because you appreciated this amazing movie, and partly because you don't say 'like' every other word!

[@ethanor]

*Officer falls on the ground* Ace: Officer on the deck! gets me every time XD

[@poolee77]

@jn4756in the military the command, in the US Marines anyway is “officer on deck”, saying “officer on THE deck” is poking fun at him falling…. On the deck (deck can also refer to the floor in naval terms). It’s pretty subtle and clever military humor most civilians will miss.

[@Mviews-hb4ib]

I fell in a fountain outside courts 20 minutes before going in to see this movie in the cinema... I was soaked through watching.. ah memories

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

Oh man 😂 Glad you made it to the movie though!

[@Mviews-hb4ib]

@@NiceDudeMovieNight it was close to Middlesbrough courts and we were early , didn't know water was in it lol, it was dark

[@ludovicoc7046]

Best SFX in this movie? Casper Van Dien and Denise Richards because no real humans could be this gorgeous.

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

It's impossible!!

[@haruruben]

The song while they are at the dance is written and performed by Zoe Poledouris is the daughter of Basil Poledouris the composer For Starship Troopers, Robocop, Conan (with Arnold) and a ton of other movies

[@ianwestc]

Rest in peace, Basil Poledouris. Wish we'd been able to hear more of his works.

[@SnausageKing]

Holy shit that’s awesome. RIP Poledouris

[@bobmessier5215]

I love Paul Verhoeven's style of filmmaking. This was my favorite, though I very much enjoyed Robocop, Total Recall, Hollow Man, Flesh + Blood, Basic Instinct, and even Showgirls. Satire, schlock, gore, sex and special FX that pushes the envelope. I just have to catch up with his newest feature films. I've heard they are a bit underrated, but quite good.

[@404nutfound]

I watch a lot of react channels for movies but I genuinly enjoy you guys the best. The genuine excitement you show is great.

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

Thank you so much! We're psyched that we get to have a channel where we just hang out and watch movies. But it's even better that people enjoy it so much!

[@jean-paulaudette9246]

I always felt that an excellent follow-up to this film is "Ender's Game" (2013). It has a lot of shared themes, and is quite thoughtful -- even if it doesn't measure up to the novel.

[@ahmanetbones9496]

This movie was epic, I haven't seen this movie in years and you guys brought me right back to seeing it for the first time. I can't wait to see what film you guys see next! I'm praying Beetlejuice. Stay classy folks

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

Thank you!!

[@Swampthing86]

@@NiceDudeMovieNight here's a movie for you to react to The Mask Of Zorro (1998) it's directed by Martin Campbell who directed two of the best James Bond movies Goldeneye and Casino Royale. It stars Antonio Banderas, Sir Anthony Hopkins, & Catherine Zeta-Jones. It's based on the pulp magazine character created by Johnston McCully in 1919. He was one of the main inspirations for Batman along with the pulp magazine character The Shadow and Sherlock Holmes.

[@Lost_n_Found_1]

Best to save prayer for selfless acts, and things that actually matter.

[@ahmanetbones9496]

@@Lost_n_Found_1 I'm really glad you have that faith and respect for the power of prayer in your life, I haven't felt the power in it for years to be fully honest with you, Losing my faith was devastating for me but I hope you keep yours. God has abandoned me, I hope that's more attention for you

[@Lost_n_Found_1]

@@ahmanetbones9496 God abandons no one. He has a plan for us all. God loves the long-suffering. It builds character. The purpose of life is to live a life of purpose. You were and are never alone.

[@pieceofgosa]

Verhoeven wanted to make a satirical movie about teenage Nazis graduating high school in 1939 but since no studio in Hollywood would touch that with a bargepole, we got this instead.

[@Vash001]

Which is based on a Novel by Robert A. Heinlein and turned into an overly satirical piece of trash that only chose bits and pieces from an amazing novel

[@pieceofgosa]

@@Vash001 just fyi bud, phrases like "overly satirical piece of trash" make you look like an idiot. This is a Verhoeven film, if you expected anything different from it then that's 100% on you.

[@Dacre1000]

@@Vash001 Whatever, fanboy.

[@Vash001]

@@Dacre1000 of the novel? Yes yes I am, without it the concept of armored space Marines like Doom guy or Master Chief wouldn't exist. He set the trope in 1959

[@Dacre1000]

@@Vash001 spoken like a true Heinlein fan boy indeed. None of those things make for a good novel. Also I don't think you understand what a fan boy is in this context. Thanks for the confirmation, tough. Meeting a moron that is proud of being one is always a pleasure.

[@MidnightOwl92]

Fun fact in the novel the moment 3:36 the recruiter Rico meets doesn't have the prosthetics instead he in a wheel chair with three of four limbs missing. Rico later meets the same recruiter again now with prothestics and learns that the mobile infantry uses his missing limbs as a scare tatic to test how serious new recruits are when joining the mobile infantry.

[@The_Zilli]

As for the special effects, this movie were insanely expensive when it was released at the time, hence why the effects still hold up even to this day.

[@jonathanrobertson3406]

This movie actually ages quite well. Saw it at it's premiere in Los Angeles. It's also worth reading the book, which is different. And any introduction to Robert A. Heinlein is a good thing, but if you only read one of his books, read "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress." Then read the rest.

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

Yeah, we've heard the book is very different than the movie. How'd you like the premiere??

[@jonathanrobertson3406]

@@NiceDudeMovieNight It was entertaining (that was way back in the day), but I suppose I was a bit confused because I had read the novel first.. and the movie deviated a lot from it. But that is fine. It is only in retrospect that I really appreciate it. I don't think I appreciated it fully at the time. The director (who also did Robocop and Total Recall) is a true original. Over the top but somehow agreeable. Again, thanks for a most excellent review.

[@jonathanrobertson3406]

(I love the campy propaganda moments and over the top lines from Michael Ironside. Also, the CGI was pretty damn good for it's day.) Also, fun fact... when it was released, a lot of people called it "Starship Troopers, 90210." (A Bererly Hills 90210 reference).

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

@@jonathanrobertson3406 Thanks for sharing! I can definitely understand what you mean, we've heard this movie's very satirical, so we were more prepared for it. We're also huge fans of Robocop, so we understood his style going into this movie. If someone isn't expecting it, this movie can come off as very strange in its presentation and sense of humor!

[@jonathanrobertson3406]

@@NiceDudeMovieNight Thanks for the response guys. Take care, but consider my suggestion of reading "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress." But even if not, God Bless and take care.

[@FurryStockings]

I really liked that Ace survived too

[@malakarolobotomite9556]

I'm in love with this! Seeing two guys who clearly love cinema enjoying one my of favorite films and embracing it's campy yet dark nature is great. The fact you guys understand the satire is also refreshing most people don't seem to get that. Defo a sub from me :)

[@Sam_of_Anarchy92]

there's also two sequel's Starship Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation and Starship Troopers 3: Marauder

[@wereboarder2009]

I remember watching this movie when it was fresh off the press. A timeless classic in the truest sense of the the phrase.

[@shainewhite2781]

The film was nominated for Best Visual Effects but lost to TITANIC. The film made $122 million dollars against a $100 million dollar budget. It got mixed reviews by Critics but has gained a cult following overtime. There are some talks of a reboot to the movie that would follow more closely to the original novel. Thanks for the video!! See you later!! Stay safe.

[@alucard624]

Would love to see them do the powered armor from the book with a proper budget. That Mechwarrior thing with really bad CGI in the third flick was really bad.

[@names_are_useless]

> There are some talks of a reboot to the movie that would follow more closely to the original novel. We don't need that. The 97 Film is far better then the original novel. The original novel is pro-militarist, promoting ideas that lean towards fascism in all honesty. The 97 film, if anything, is a parody of the original novel. Verhoeven is very anti-war: he lived through Nazi occupation in The Netherlands for crying out loud, and saw the full affects of Nazi propaganda. This film is not just a message against Nazism and Fascism, but the American Military Complex. It's honestly a prophetic film: came out 4 years before 9/11. Film Critics panned this film for being too "unrealistic". Considering the direction America is going now ... it was far ahead of its time. We aren't meant to cheer on our heroes: they've become completely brainwashed by society and the military into a war that doesn't matter (Klendathu is on the other side of the galaxy, there is no evidence to suggest that the bugs sent the meteor against Buenos Aires, the evidence leads us to believe we occupied bug territory in the first place, etc). It's an incredibly deep film masked by an over-the-top action film that went FAR over the head of audiences in 97.

[@JohnDoe-wt9ek]

@@names_are_useless The ironies are thick. American Liberalism is trying to be and not be Starship Troopers at the same time. The News is absolutely propaganda like that of Starship Troopers. The Military is trying to be the Starship Troopers Federal Service (and failing miserably) through inclusion and diversity... We are no longer a free market society (which is the opposite reality for Starship Troopers. Rico's dad was never prior service and yet the family inherited wealth from many generations of plantation farming in the Philippines as a Filipino, not white, family). Hollywood does exactly the kind of embellishment that Starship Troopers does for literally ANYTHING. Not just the military. Its another arm of the propaganda machine and everyone can see it. We have a government under Liberal Democrats trying to push for war in the Ukraine and over Taiwan, precisely because the Division in the US is so immense and they might end up losing complete control of the fabricated division. (The other irony is that all the major wars of the 20th Century, under US Leadership, were all Democrats.) The mockery actually falls flat when you consider that literally everything its trying to make satire of is so blatantly obvious, despised, and even countered by classical conservative views, or even basic libertarian views... Quite literally only a handful of American politicians (not one of them Democrats) have voted no and further considerable debate on such issues as that of the Inflation Relief Act and the sending of billions of dollars to Ukraine to support their war that we have no reason to be involved in... And we have a current sitting president and multitude of politicians essentially pushing rhetoric to create faux Causus Belli about Russia and the potential of a Taiwan confrontation with China.

[@keiichi8191]

I have zero confidence that any modern Hollywood movie studio would be able to faithfully adapt the book in the current political climate. It would either be altered drastically to replace the militaristic philosophy of the novel, or it would be made even more of a "humans bad" satire than the Verhoeven film for fear of being crucified on social media for "glorifying fascism". Even though that's unfair to the book. Incidentally, Verhoeven has famously admitted that he never even read more than two chapters of the book before filming the movie based on it. Instead he just had someone summarize it for him, and then set about making a movie to deliberately undermine what he perceived to be the themes of the book.

[@NiteSaiya]

@@names_are_useless You don't know what you're talking about. The novel is anti-fascist. The fact that you misunderstood it so severely is exactly why a new movie needs to be made. Consider how one of the moral lectures Heinlein delivers is on how ignorant voters will vote for the impossible and then be forced to deal with the consequences when they try to make the impossible come true. We're living through that every day right now.

[@haxic]

One of my favourite movies of all time. I wish more sci-fi war movies like this were made - no weird gimmicks like time travel, just humans with guns and aliens with claws.

[@MrDrManPerson]

This movie is a gimmick lol. It's a giant parody.

[@Marcieishereandqueer]

…you do realize this movie is a massive parody mocking Fascism right?

[@haxic]

@@Marcieishereandqueer Yes? And your point is?

[@Marcieishereandqueer]

@@haxic just checking

[@chrisking6667]

Great film. Came out when I was 10 and I loved it immediately for the battle scenes and CGI. Had no idea of the underlying political and social satire when I was 10. Once I was older and understood the broarder meaning of the film I still like it for the battle scenes and CGI.

[@mattg2306]

Starship Troopers is one of my favorite sci-fi movies. Hell, it's one of my favorite movies.

[@RoadQuestPH]

I remember watching this on Star Movies 20+ years ago. This is one of those movies that you "need" to watch when you encounter it on the cable TV.

[@interghost]

I always remember watching this and thought it was a normal Sci-Fi action movie... and I was like what the hell... pmsl... 10 mins in you can see its tounge in cheek! - Good movie for sure.

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

Yeah, especially if someone isn't already familiar with Verhoeven films, it takes a second to get it 😂

[@robertryan7204]

@@NiceDudeMovieNight Nazi analogies everywhere.

[@saintboy93]

The CGI in this movie is on par, sometimes even better than marvel recent movies

[@lionheartt15]

this is what happens when you combine practical effects cgi and a whole lotta tlc with talent

[@samuelperezgarcia]

I would say it's better than any MCU movie. Do you see any MCU sfx holding up 20 years from now like Starship Troopers? Me neither.

[@semerahpadi4484]

Nah, Marvel movies CGI looks like fantasy, you can tell some doesnt look real. Starship Trooper, man, even the explosion looks super epic and the bugs looks freakingly real.

[@taloscurze5826]

Helldivers 2 videos led me here.😂 For Democracy!!!!

[@nuts4414]

This movie is one of those flicks that just get better and better every time you watch it. It's definitely in my top favs of all time

[@Xingularity]

Remember, Carmen altered the ships trajectory to make it more "efficient", it put them on the path of the asteroid, which the nav computer probably had anticipated, thus striking the asteroid and altering its course, causing it to veer towards earth, striking Rico's parents and his home. Making them all rush to war.

[@AlexAmaralxandebom15]

Did anyone else notice that when the tanker melts the 1 troopers arm it was her right arm but after Rico blows it up its her left arm that's missing? 😂

[@Kainlarsen]

yeah, that was fucking me up a bit. :D

[@multivillainous8535]

same thing in the beginning with the "colonel" who has the missing arm..... as the scene keeps going the missing arm switches 3 times lol

[@adrianryan8586]

I was about to just mention that. At the start he was missing his right, then it went left, then back to a shot of his right and when we see Michael Ironside again in battle his left arm is the prosthetic

[@Yasmine11011]

Sorry for the off-topic question But when will you do reaction video to Korean movie "Train To Busan" This movie is so good. Totally became my favorite zombie movie

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

We LOVE Train To Busan. Awesome movie. We haven't gotten around to making a reaction video to any Korean films yet, but we definitely love them and would love to make one sometime. One of my favorite movies of all time is Parasite as well!

[@sheldingo]

To touch on the comment about neil patricks harris' character looking like an SS officer, Paul Verhoeven chose to adapt it from the book as an overt satire of fascism. Verhoeven even stated in an interview that the beginning scene of the film is a shot for shot recreation from a nazi propaganda film "truimph of the will".

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

Wow, that's crazy! Rewatching it while we were editing, we picked up waaay more on the fascist imagery throughout the costume design and sets

[@Melancthon7332]

@@NiceDudeMovieNight yeah, not only is Psi Corps in SS uniforms, but Fleet is dressed up in crisp Luftwaffe outifts and Mobile Infantry wears Wehrmacht.

[@nathanhinkle1329]

I really like how this movie makes a lot of really cool characters and have most of them die off and it makes their deaths more memorable and impactful

[@Corey_Rowe]

Best movie ever, the satire is the best. I watched this when it released I was 11 at the time. It's a movie I tell everyone to watch. Just remember that this movie was made before everyone was offended by everything lol.

[@thegingergyrl455]

Saw this in the theater with my ex husband. He was way too intrigued. After he got it on dvd , it seemed to be on a loop in my living room. I can appreciate it for what it is, a great opportunity to watch Jake Busey act, you know the dude who played violin . That’s Gary Busey’s son. Lol…. I can watch it now, it was too violent for me then. I hope y’all had fun.

[@TatsuChi]

A little tid-bit you may or may not have known but when Ace (Jake Busey) is playing the Violin it is actually him legitimately playing and not dubbed over/mimed

[@lifewuzonceezr]

Found one..my mind knew DENISE RICHARDS and NPH..iknew who his dad was.. could click his name..back to being proud my kids saw this ? Ago

[@AJR-zg2py]

@@TatsuChi I wonder if he knew how to play prior to the film or if it was a skill he learned after being cast.

[@caramelcrunchy9927]

You guys are fantastic reactors. You guys are very attentive and you set a good laughable and relatable mood. You aren't annoying with too much commentary, and you show enough film to where it doesn't feel like a commentary. More of a reaction. You leave untouched chunks of scene, and you also chop out some other stuff. All I need to say now, is do Beetlejuice next. Please.

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

Thank you so much! And Beetlejuice is definitely on the list 👍👍

[@thriller3466]

I absolutely love this movie Note: will y’all ever do insidious 2? Just asking

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

Possibly! It might be a bit, but we'd love to revisit the horror genre sometime soon!

[@johnnymoreno5065]

@@NiceDudeMovieNight maybe in October be nice bros

[@TheItzal11]

The fact that there are recent releases (a fps and an rts) shows the sheer longevity of this movie.

[@TheMNWolf]

There was a subtlety that I did not catch for years watching this movie. And it is one of my favorites. A criminal was caught, tried, and executed all within the same day. I always knew this movie was a satire but it went even harder than I realized.

[@SmaugUKA]

Other 80s and 90s Classics to think about if you both or one of you hasn't seen: Revenge of the Nerds 1 and 2 Roadhouse Last Dragon Police Academy 1-3 (4-7 aren't all that good and some were 90s) Short Circuit 1 and 2 Tango and Cash (Kurt Russel and Stallone in a buddy cop movie) Escape from LA (Escape From NY wasn't as good) Twins (Danny DeVito and Arnold movie) Tombstone (Best western movie ever and Val Kilmer is at his best in it.) Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter is Dead Kindergarten Cop All Indiana Jones movies up to The Last Crusade And for a 2000s movie, Boondock Saints

[@Sassage]

FOR DEMOCRACY!!!!

[@tylerellis7633]

Go play the game Helldivers 2 which is obviously inspired by this movie

[@n9ne]

what i really love about this movie is how many beginnings and endings it has

[@christopherhodgdon8638]

came back to this reaction after playing some Helldivers 2 :)

[@Arkens]

Love your reactions. Starship Troopers is one of my favorite movies of all time. A great action movie, and a great satire of a militaristic society. It's based on a book by Robert Heinlein, but it's quite different from the source material. For example - in the book the soldiers use big power armors to fight the bugs - something similar to a mech suit. The novel was controversial, because many people accused the author of promoting militarism and fascism. Come to think of it - the movie satirizes the book

[@Nyah420]

The power armors only appear in a latter Starship Troopers movie and its sequels. Better late than never. I guess they didn't have the budget for that at the time; but they wrote it in a way that makes sense with the first one.

[@CorporateG0th]

One of the biggest changes in the adaptation that reflects this is the attack on Buenos Aires. In the book it's a ground landing by a bug assault force, in the movie it's an asteroid catapulted from the bug homeworld. This is because in the book the author wanted to paint the outside world as fiendish and the authoritarian as the big defender, pretty straightforward. In the movie.. It doesn't add up. Think about it. It was launched from the other side of the galaxy, so even if it were traveling at lightspeed it must've been launched tens of thousands of years ago. And it still struck Earth with precision, coincidentally wiping out the one liberal stronghold and home of the regime's opposition parties. It's implied this was a false flag attack.

[@lazarusblack9995]

One of my all-time favorite movies. The only people I knew who panned it were all military wanna-bes who played soldier but never were.

They are right though, the film was done as a military adventure for the audience, the original work, Robert A. Heinlein's Starship Troopers from 1959, did it right.

[@JohnDoe-wt9ek]

There are criticisms I have about it, after having read the novel by Heinlein. Twice. At least in regards to Verhoeven not doing any justice to the world building or the actual politics that Heinlein portrays within before the war even starts... Like the fight Rico and two of his friends have with some belligerent drinkers because of their complete hate for the Federation and the Military. Or that the world of Starship Troopers has another humanoid species called "Skinnies". Granted, I read the book when I was in the Army.

[@PH0EN1XD]

Helldivers

[@Legionnaire726]

For Super Earth!

[@TheSpiritOf97]

Something that gets overlooked with this film is the character quality of Ace, who had been set up to be a minor competitive antagonist until, Upon seeing Rico "Shot Down" and "Injured" being dumped by Carmen, Ace is almost immediately there as a supportive teammate. It's a small detail but it goes a long way to making you really like the zany violin playing flat-top. He also pours booze on fresh laser-work. Befriend with caution!

[@JohnnysWorld]

One of the best and often misunderstood films. It’s a masterpiece in science-fiction and it is aged so well. And now, cause of Helldivers 2, many folks come back to it. Sometimes watching it first time 😂

[@sabalos]

The movie doesn't end with them winning the war because the war can't end. Their society needs it.

[@korganrocks3995]

Yup, fascism always needs an enemy to blame for all the failures of its society, and one day the government will have cycled through all the smaller minorities than yours, and then they're coming for YOU...

[@timbuktu8069]

Did you notice Blanche DuBois was the biology teacher?

[@saucyduckglobalomnihyperme7510]

This movie has so many layers to it, there's something new to notice on each rewatch. Like how in the classroom we're kind of distracted with the cutesy high school romance stuff while Ironside's praising the fascist state and violence solving problems. Or Verhoeven casting Van Diem because he looks straight out of a Nazi propaganda movie, which is kind of how the PSA parts are shot. Someone pointed out that anyone who really believes in anything dies horribly, and the only people who thrive are the vapid shallow assholes lol

[@robertryan7204]

Did you notice that everyone came from Argentina? Toungue in cheek reference

[@saucyduckglobalomnihyperme7510]

@@robertryan7204 i think Argentina is from the book, but Verhoeven said he cast Johnny Rico as a blond ultra-Aryan as a direct nod to that. If you look like Casper van Diem and live in Argentina, chances are your family got there in the 1940s!

[@mihaylov131]

This movie and "Total recall" are so well crafted. I like every moment from them.

[@MichaelHarto]

man, there will be no other movie that could give the same feeling like this.

[@SentiNel090]

**** Would you like to know more?***

[@TheFacelessStoryMaker]

An interesting thing to note is this film explores the concept of "Perpetual War" very well. The federation needs the arachnids to always be a threat so they remain in power and work people up into such frenzies they ignore logic. Case in point the Buenos Aires incident. They want the people to believe an asteroid moved greater than the speed of light across the galaxy and encountered no planets, moons, comets, asteroids, black holes, etc. AND past the planetary defenses their propaganda stated is "better than ever"?

[@matwetton]

remember the most important thing. you are not supposed to root for the federation.

[@fredwin]

Yeah, I don't know if I'd say that. The satire definitely hits, but you still have protagonists to root for one way or the other. It's more a cautionary tale, it's not like they're depicted as pure evil.

[@throwback19841]

14:20 its so awesome watching a couple of people who know a bit about film production watching this because whatever you think of the movie's message you have to hand it to Paul Verhoeven, he made some exquisitely extravagant use of other people's money to make this movie.

[@ThomasStClair-zr2lb]

Such an interesting choice to make a comedy satire of a fascist propaganda movie. I love by the end the "good guys" are the ones dressed as SS officers and saying things like "somebody like me is going to kill you and your whole fucking race". Classic Verhoeven.

[@NiceDudeMovieNight]

Definitely, the irony isn't lost on us! Very fascinating movie!

[@dmwalker24]

Zander's final line in the film, "One day, someone like me is going to kill you and your whole fucking race". Actually take a moment to consider that line being used in a different context. Then consider how easy it was to agree with a statement that is so blatantly horrific. There's the answer to the question about how otherwise decent people end up taking part in acts of pure evil.

[@MrRavager420]

first you dehumanize. then you exterminate

[@sb17899]

lol I can't take that seriously when they're literal bugs that suck people's brains out.

[@samsquanch1996]

"I hope Neil Patrick Harris is just an extra in this movie!" **Becomes Colonel**

[@Punisher6791]

26 years later and people are still talking about this film, crazy the effects still hold up too with some pretty impressive looking CGI Arachnids that blend in with the background plate shots.

[@mjtgaming81]

watched this movie so many times growing up, absolute classic!

[@JeffreyBezeau]

MEDIC!!!! I first saw Starship Trooper when i was around 11 years old and damn that movie was a game changer for me. Lot of people didn't like this movie in the 90's/early 2000, and it used to frustrates me because it was my favorite hahaha. I'm glad to see so many reactors coming back at it now and gives the love that Starship Troopers deserve.