Behringer RD-8 vs Roland TR08: 808 clone final showdown

[@dragonmobrecords]

The Tr08 is quite louder in this video. Maybe it's the stereo effect, but it overpowers the RD8 volume. Thanks for the comparison

[@digitaldiezel5870]

The Roland sounds better...but the Behringer has a better workflow. Thanks for this comparison!

[@richnewman]

The TR-08 is crazy good. I have the RD-8 and TR-8S, too and love them as well, but it's crazy how the TR-08 just sits so well in a mix without much tweaking.

[@rodmorrison47]

I owned a TR-808 back in the day and - I may be in the minority here - I love my TR-8. Out of nostalgia I'd love a TR-08 or RD-8, but the TR-8 does just what I need, and I got it used at a cracking price (although not as little as I paid for my 808 back in 1988).

[@st0rmchild]

Excellent comparison…much better than the first one. The summary in the first couple minutes is totally accurate. I own a TR-08 and love it. The RD-8 looks and sounds good, and has several nice improvements over the originals. These are both excellent boxes with different pros and cons. The TR-8S is a great option for live performance; it has the same emulations, and also lets you mix and match sounds from the 606, 707, 808, 909 (and your own samples).

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks.. a few more hours under the belt and the TR08 as a comparison was well worth another pop I thought :)

[@wesleymino]

I watched this video a couple years ago and thought the RD8 sounded more meaty, so I bought one. I recorded with it for about a year and never quite got what I wanted from it. Finally got the Tr-08 and sold the RD8 shortly afterward. The RD8 does sound fatter, but it doesn't nail the 808 sound like the boutique does. Most importantly, the Tr08 sequencer is tighter. The RD8 always seems a little sloppy, and at higher tempos you really notice something is off. But the Tr08 sounds like a record should, tight and groovy. You wanna dance to it. Roland got it right. On top of that the Tr08 won't make you go through the stupid multi-button push saving process for every pattern.

[@Zeal808]

Yesss. It’s Roland’s sequencers that do it for me too. Plus the sound

[@dropshadow1932]

The truth is. The TR-808 sound everyone recognizes and loves is not just the Roland TR-808. It is the 808 blasted through an SSL G4000 console, using their pres, EQ's, compression, and saturation by driving the drums. If you even watch comparison videos between two different TR-808's they will sound different due to age and condition. One is not better than the other, rather they just sound different. That classic sound is from the production process of this drum machine. Naked, an 808 sounds tinny, sharp, and lacks punch. Just my two cents. I love the 808 and the sound. But that classic 'Egyptian Lover' type electro sound is from heavy EQ and compression of a thin, snappy drum machine known as the TR-808. #nerdism.

[@StarskyCarr]

yep, you're right that's exactly why the Roland has a the option of a longer compressed style kick, and why the Behringer's separate outputs are great for adding FX and EQ to each sound ... still quite sexy little beasts through. :)

[@Handarimasta]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3yuaKydetaSo5I lol Id say anything but tiny sharp and no punch!

[@MoldManMotionGrafix]

Thank you for this. As someone who has quite a few toys in their studio facts like these are more important than the marketing points of each unit. I was considering the SSL channels soon anyway (albeit plug-in versions). I think somewhere close to original 808 and somewhere close to a real SSL console will give me great results. I was allllmost sold on the Behringer but I think I’m gonna go with the roland Altho the only thing for me is the multi outs. Do you think the multi outs on the Behringer is more valuable? Also, that sound of the Roland is night and day. Is it just the stereo vs mono? Now I’m thinking before I try to beef up my drums with a bunch of plugins I should make it stereo.

[@damian-henderson]

If you use the separate outputs the 808 is beefy punchy and far from tinny running through an analog desk, never heard anyone say a 808 sound as such, many of those old records where recorded with raw 808 beats...

[@volt7cooltangs701]

I own both and used to own a TR-808. I adore the TR-08’s tiny size but the big difference for me is the hats and the mute and solo ease of use on the RD8. Apart from the BD & SD the main sound most use are the hi-hats. The open hat for me on the 08 is the most disappointing sound. Just not metallic / analog enough for me. Saying that the BD and SD on the 08 are stupidly good. The original TR-808 looked wonderful and is iconic in music history but it was so big for what it did. Mine was midied in. At the time I just sampled it and sold it. The 16 step buttons on the 08 are a nasty & tiny hard plastic that are too hard to push in. That said the size of 08 outweighs its minus points. Roland’s boutiques, like the Volcas are well useable with great portability and battery operation. The 08 also has loads of patterns available. 16x16=256 x A & B variations = 512!

[@topspeed5546]

I got a real Roland TR-808 and when I got the 08 I sat up for about 4 hours comparing and just laughed most of the time cause I could get the 08 to match the real 808 exact! Love that 09 too!

[@dukeofpearl]

Yep! Me too. The tr08 is amazing. My 808 needs equalising to cut low hiss out. But the 08 is a breath of fresh air for my ageing studio. Good job Roland. 👍🏻

[@LochNessAnthony]

Vanished Mm. He didn’t mention the behringer.

[@jessejarrar]

Thanks for your time making this video. I had the tr08 and just couldn't get down with the tiny form factor. I'm used to bigger machines. Sounded great and wasn't bad past the occasional menu diving. I also had a TR8S. I can't imagine buying an rd8 or a tr08 apart from really needing to save the cash and pass on a TR8S. It's much more capable than both, but unfortunately doesn't have the 808 aesthetic visually like these 2 boxes. Still the TR8S is a monster! I kinda regret selling it but I already am swimming in drum machines!

[@project-95]

Yeah the TR8S covers all the x0x sounds and then some, I love it. Everything else is redundant. It's just a shame Roland keeps failing to deliver on something or other that everyone really wants, whether it's aesthetics / outputs / digital / analogue / voice limit of boutiques / monophonic sequencer on JU-06A but poly on SH-01A 🙃 / the list is endless

[@Pandangus]

Your videos are really helpful! Thanks for all the comparisons.

[@evankeal]

Roland, as usual has the sound and reliability nailed. Everything else goes to the Behringer for me, and it's a lot of extra functionality. Master volumes seemed different in this comparison.

[@kvmoore1]

Everything in the RD-8 sounds really good except for the clave. The TR-08 clave sounds better where as the rimshot on the RD-8 sounds better. Despite the longer kick decay on the TR-08, I like the tone of the RD-8 better. Same for the snare. I actually like the overall tone of the RD-8 better. With that said, the TR-08 isn't bad either. I have a TR-8 and it's not that different from the TR-08 soundwise.

[@vincentdewildenberg4529]

The can have a longer decay on the kick with the wave shaper... it is not in the video

[@kvmoore1]

@@vincentdewildenberg4529 It's been a year now since I've made this post. Since then, Behringer has actually improved (or fixed) the sound of the clave in the new RD-8 units. I now own an RD-8 and all of it's sounds are wonderful. It even rivals my original 808. With that said, it didn't take me long to trade in my TR-8 afterwards. I have also played around with the wave designer and I am able to get a longer decay on the bass drum, not as long as the one on the TR-8, but much longer than without the wave designer engaged. I really like what the wave designer does to the clap. However, it would have been nice if the wave designer circuit had it's own dedicated separate audio output instead of going back through the main mix output.

[@vincentdewildenberg4529]

@@kvmoore1 Yeahhh, totally agree.. ! But's a real success for a first clone

[@Stevali1966]

I'm watching this and its 8:08 am.

[@ChrisNova777]

i just read that at 9:09am lol

[@Astronomater]

watch it again on August 8th at 8:08 AM.

[@joker9494949494]

Stevali1966 as soon as I read this I looked at my clock and it was 3:03 am 🤟

[@mooremaceo]

I'm watching on 8-08 year 1808 at 8:08 am.

[@alexmagor7538]

In short the roland sounds bright/sharp/clean/digital, the Behringer sounds more analog/fatter/old school and closer to the original I think.

[@powermix24]

I bought the RD-8 and man what a solid machine it is!!!! I highly recommend it as it has so much versatility. In-person it looks much much better.

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha I know... when I got it out of the box I had a massive grin :)

[@powermix24]

@@StarskyCarr LED lights are top notch as well 😉

[@jimmy_jamesjams_a_lot4171]

I’m almost positive that taking the AIRA TR8 on Ableton Live and you plug-in the USB, each and every individual part gets spit across the USB into Live, just as what’s being demonstrated here. These capabilities of USB are absolutely jaw dropping to me. It’s something that not just demonstrates the far reaching territories that technology can travel to, but also the corners we can cut now since that sIngle USB Cable I’m using is sending my MIDI to and from my DAW, AND my separated individual parts are being captured so that’s what? NINE fewer 6.25mm cables??!? That ‘ALL over USB’ capability is the real selling point from my perspective, so keep that Boutique! THANKS FOR SHARING, great topic to make into a video!

[@Intrapersonal77]

Yes but you must then use it as an audio interface

[@paul_ward_music]

Interesting comparison. Thanks. My decision - TR-8S... It's pretty much the best average of all worlds.

[@StarskyCarr]

Hah I’m hearing that a lot. So I’ve a TR8, TR08, RD -8 and now need to sell them all for a TR8s aaarghhhh :) lol

[@paul_ward_music]

@@StarskyCarr You know it makes sense, mate! Lol!

[@ConwayBob]

That's exactly what I ended up doing a couple of weeks ago. Found a mint-condition used TR-8s at a decent discount and snatched it up. Before that, I'd been leaning strongly toward the Behringer RD-8. But it's Roland TR-8s time for me, at least for now. No regrets so far.

[@paul_ward_music]

@@ConwayBob Good for you, Bob. I've loaded my TR-8S up with all the drum machine samples I need, including Linn, Simmons, CR-78, Drumtracks, Fairlight... With the included modelled sounds and facility for sample import it pretty much makes the TR-8S every drum machine I ever owned or wanted to own. The extra analogue outputs are a boon for me - switching ASIO drivers to record separate outputs is a PITA.

[@paul_ward_music]

@@StarskyCarr If you want to try one out I could lend it for a week or two. I'm in Sheffield.

[@Worldnewstime.]

I prefer the rd8 also a salute to the engeneers to bring back those awesome 80s stuffs

[@jomak9]

It proves that they still care about music.

[@mikaelschloenzig9590]

Digital costly minitoy made by the original creators vs a cloned sought after dream machine to a price you would never belived possible?So fun with (analog) synths and drummachines again ,thanks Roland for making the originals ,but a much much bigger thanks to Behringer.

[@benmast7089]

I also have both. Sound different enough for me to hold them both. But maybe I am just addicted to drummachines :)

[@lcaise]

abslutly not - for example, RD8 cowbell is a joke. Overall sound of RD8 is more warm but MUDDY as hell.

[@volt7cooltangs701]

Addicted to drum machines too. Wonderful things.

[@ManCalledMif]

Great video. Both sound really good. 23:10 Huge difference between the two here. Happy that TR-08 can do precise timing to allow matching with existing songs. many songs have precise tempos e.g. 60.5. I would be surprised if Behringer couldn't fix this with a firmware update.

[@JeroenKnoops]

I’ve got both and I see myself using the Roland more because of the auto fill feature, every x measures automatically add a fill. This is for me really useful in jam sessions when I need my arms and fingers to trigger other machines. I really miss this feature on the Behringer.

[@cresshead]

track write, add in fills, save track, hit play

[@theaudioeng]

Wow! You do do your demo's justice ... and for us YT consumers! Cheers SC, look forward to your next drop. Love my RD-8 .... good, chunky ole skool drum m/c 🙃💊💉🌿🚬👍🎵

[@ashleymartinez7704]

The individual outs👍

[@DarossTheGreat]

I see a lot of people saying the Bear sounds better, but for me, using sennheiser hd650s through a tube amp, the difference is night and day in favor of the roland...

[@_EightySix]

Good, because i have the TR08

[@fortheloveofnoise]

The UI makes the Behringer worth it regardless.

[@SphericEl]

Maybe you are just into clear, brighter (louder) sounds. I wondered whether the kick will sound to dominating in the mix, although clearly more impressive in isolation 🤔

[@sashetasev505]

Does the RD8 kick get closer to Roland's long decay at 5:15 if you put it through the wave designer sustain? Because that right there is a winning argument for the little guy :D

[@tdavis8118]

You said a mouth full there! The RD8 may be more user friendly but the kick on the TR8 closes the deal!

[@jakevan22]

I have the RD8 and I'm enjoying it very much.

[@synthartist69]

Behringer RD8 hands down, bigger, analog, individual outs... unbelievable low price!!!

[@lcaise]

yeah, that's why they stole projects since 90s :D LOL

[@braincoral9866]

lol - "the Roland Cloud version is the best for the studio"...You just saved me £300 :D I'm getting an RD8 anyway but maybe not quite as quickly as I was going to

[@lownrgy]

funny thing is.. RD-8 sync is unusable for live setup

[@braincoral9866]

@@lownrgy in or out?

[@lownrgy]

@@braincoral9866 sync in

[@MrOuija-rr8kq]

People always compare these type of things together. But the honest truth is , as long as it’s close , there’s nothing an EQ won’t fix

[@NatLifeSounds]

I thought so before, with a 20 years of VST expripience in a bag, but its not so man, really. Not all can be fixed with eq.

[@darenager]

TR-08 for me. Midi cc and all sounds available simultaneously, small size, audio over USB, plus it sounds much better, RD-8 sounds dull and muddy, lacking the crispness of a TR-808 especially on kick, toms, congas. RD-8 hats and cymbals sound ok though. Unfortunately for the RD-8 no amount of software updates will solve its major flaw - it doesn’t sound like a TR-808, especially apparent when you listen to the pattern shootouts at the end, RD-8 sounds lifeless and flat, just use your ears.

[@monokult6610]

I have both and RD-8 sounds a little bit better in real live then tr-08 for sure. Tr-08 sounds lifeless because sounds are digital and not unique per step. Rd-8 is full analog and sounds different. Not 100% tr-808 but better then tr-08. + tr-08 size is like a kids toy! Maybe good for play live but for studio i prefer rd-9 because this thing has outs for every instrument. A must have in the studio!

[@esekion1]

WE talking about 8 bits samples wh Can be stored on a floppy disk.

[@savanaviolenta]

Agree. From Behringer I bought only the good ones : Model D and Deep Mind 12,the rest are kind of meh

[@esekion1]

@Ordinary Joe of course it is ! 808 come from the 80's

[@shillientemplar6539]

i understanded right, dat i can connect midi keyboard to Roland TR-08, & play notes ot tr's cowbell >?? plz, tell me. it wold be great if it is. ty for ur video.

[@niknayme3754]

As my great great great grandad used to say, you can never have too many 808 clones :) Both good, one's as analogue as the original, the other's as close as digital will get to an 808. The TR8 and TR8s are both as good for 808 sounds and the Cloud version is fab as well. Get 'em all! Apart from the Cloud one, you'll always be able to sell again without too much trouble..

[@niknayme3754]

@@ROBERTTONUS That's maybe because of the RD8 coming out? Hang on to it for a year or two. People will want the Boutiques when Roland stop making them. Until they brought out the JU06A, the JU06 was quite hard to get second hand and more expensive than the original asking price.

[@StarskyCarr]

I’ll buy it for £100 ;) it depends on what your asking I suppose 😀

[@StarskyCarr]

ROBERT TONUS haha... good try - my grandmother said god loves a trier :) ... they’re new in amazon for £280 with warrantee and money back guarantee etc... which is prob why your having trouble selling it ;)

[@niknayme3754]

No no, don't sell your Boutiques now. Wait. Much maligned 'cos they're not analogue, and you need kids fingers to use 'em, but they're actually really good anyway. Shhhh! Don't sell, buy cheap!

[@Astronomater]

have they updated the behringer firmware yet? also curious if you have done a long term review yet on either machine or if the software continued to mess up on the Behringer unit.

[@davidosolo]

Because nearly all these Roland boxes are digital, I think Roland cloud is the way to go, instead of going with the D-05 for example. However, in the case of the TR-08, the physical buttons and knobs are a big plus, of course when compared to the VST.

[@denoiser]

Question arises is the difference from Roland cloud ones big enough that it justifies hardware box, expence, space etc.

[@mancavemusician]

I'm tempted with the cloud version for £130 but then again, I like having things I can touch so I might just go for the TR08

[@DaraM73]

Yeess my man, knocking out of park

[@RoofLight00]

Got my RD-8 and will be picking up the Roland when the prices drop more. Any differences with the swing on each machine. I use swing a LOT.

[@StarskyCarr]

I’ve not noticed anything unusual or out of the ordinary, but not a swig aficionado ;)

[@fjfrancois]

@@StarskyCarr Lol

[@RoofLight00]

@@StarskyCarr Having had my RD8 for a few weeks now, I can confirm the swing function alone can give loads of neat groove possibilities due to the way you can apply it to individual instrument tracks etc.

[@Cray23_Official]

Well I’ll go with behringer when I found it on eBay for 200-250 Roland sounded good as well and really outdone behringers kick with that long decay but behringer got so much more which works for me(also I got quite big fingers) but as for sound I’m not really sure which one is closer to original 808 and to me they sound both nice. Great work sir

[@josephwright5921]

The Roland is just too dang small for me. I like the tone shaping options of the Behringer and the individual outputs are awesome. I can run them into a plethora of stomp boxes and rack units. Also, the analog filter on the BEHRINGER is the deal sealer. There is nothing like real analog filters in real time. The bottom line is that even if the RD8 is only 90% close to the original 808, it sounds good enough for me and is big enough to jam with live without being overly careful to bump the wrong knob. I already own Roland Boutique SE 01 and D 05, so Roland has already received a fair share of my business. Those synths are great, but the feel a little cheap. My DeepMind 12 desktop, Neutron and VC340 are well built.

[@TheDddkkk]

What is the 10% you dont hear is 808. I really wonder. I owned the original i sold it as it had issues i didnt had the money to fix it. But now i own thus behringer and its just amazing. I think close to 98,7

[@josephwright5921]

@@TheDddkkk I wasn’t saying it is definitely only 90% close. I was saying it is good enough for me and I prefer analog over samples.

[@QuanticeProductions]

Before I Moved over to the Cloud 808 I had Nepheton d16 Group. Still work with it. More flexible. But the Roland VSTi is pretty much bang on to the original machine. As we know their test department should of paid more attention to the Default velocity, Way to high...

[@normdurkin6425]

..not possible for digital samples to sound analog.. to hear a huge difference all you have to do is send them through external effects..

[@Digiphex]

The RD-8 strikes me as more inspiring to get me playing.

[@StarskyCarr]

It does invite you to start pushing buttons

[@PeteHorsham]

I've got both now. My conclusion: The RD-8 is much more inspiring to play (live!) and sounds very slightly better (less toppy and more silky analog sounding) BUT the TR-08 is great for the multi-track digital record thing - even if that is a bit awkward to do mid track writing, because you have to switch to it as a soundcard (in Ableton at least). The TR-08 is just too damn small! Both good overall.

[@girlinagale]

The RD8 fill placement is total win for me.

[@StarskyCarr]

It's so much more useable. I was quite shocked when trying to add fills on the TR08. How anyone managed doing that live I'll never know!

[@thesrabbit]

I think stereo makes a big diff in the overall sound. An 8-channel mixer can be had for pretty cheap, and then maybe add a couple pedals as fx sends and that would make a pretty sweet setup. But that would make it probably 10 times the physical footprint of the boutique. I ordered the RD-8 because it seems more intuitive for “composing” (TM) beats. Then I can capture the MIDI in the DAW and use whatever I want for the drums sounds if I so choose. I’m hoping it will be a solid choice for that purpose, if it ever arrives.

[@chesterpoobum]

I was all ready to get a RD-8. But this video changed my mind! The TR-08 sounds much better then the Behringer!! I don't think Roland gets enough credit. Btw, I've owned a real 808 for over a decade, but just sold it. The going rate for 808's are through the roof. I had to sell before they eventually drop in price. I'm very familiar with it's sound. And the TR-08 is much closer!

[@latenightfortunecookie]

lol they will never drop in price

[@thegrinderman1090]

@@latenightfortunecookie Of course they will. There's been a big trend for 80's/90's throwbacks and analogue gear in recent years. It might keep growing for a while but it will pass eventually.

[@basicnoise]

I had the TR-8 and always thought that there is something wrong with the 808 hihats. I just didn't like them. They sound similar on the TR08, somehow strange filtered or something. On the Behringer it reminds me much more on real 808 hats. Rounder, not that aggressive. This plus the overall grittier sound, the much better sequencer and individual outs would make my decision easy.

[@SphericEl]

Yes I got this feeling. But it all comes down to the bass drum for me. Starsky pointed out the quicker pitch envelope on the RD may sound better in a mix and he might be right from his demos. In isolation the 08 kik sounded clearly superior, but maybe too clear in context. I'm still undecided, though I did seem to like the RD full mixed better. Sequencer wins hands down

[@spectrumcommand1188]

the Behringer RD-8 for me I just can't stand the size (plus being battery powered eco sort of thing and yes I know it's usb power capable) just annoys me to great extent if the TR08 was full size and was plug powered then I would have been all for it but it's size and battery power it puts me off from buying it if I wanted anything from Roland I'd just buy their MC-707 simple as. plus the RD-8 being analogue that TR08 just sounds to clean with that digital circuitry that muddy sound of the RD-8 is just right for what I'm wanting to make and all the extra features on it individual outs plus that on board wave designer that's ticks the right boxes for me. if I wanted boutique synths I'd go to a proper boutique synth company such as Twisted Electrons I guess also the TR08 is a digital mini clone of a original full size analogue drum machine at least the AY3 & HapiNES are their own original synths (ok based of 8-bit gaming consoles but at least not cloned) I will be getting those 2 in future. I guess I'm picky with what I get I like things specific lol.

[@StarskyCarr]

I have to say the battery power/usb power is really annoying !!

[@sonicultura]

The Roland sounds better I think! Sounds like it could stick out better in a mix as well? :)

[@drake1011]

much better

[@sheriffderek]

I want something for the sounds (slight live adjustments) - and to control it with an MPC. Which one would you choose - just for that? I think I'm ok with the stereo out in this case.

[@mattd23]

I'm looking to go down this Rd as it's how I used to work. I don't want to run a computer with Cubase/ logic. Have you found a sequencer that can do real time for this?

[@sheriffderek]

@@mattd23 I ended up buying a Novation DrumStation.

[@don1mega]

Imagine, The original TR-808 with all the features of The TR-08 and with sampling capabilities and many other features, (I can't tell too much). Roland TR-808 MKII...............................................Arriving in 2020.

[@noordholland648]

Word

[@do2k76]

Which means Roland needs to pull its head out of the ass 🙂

[@LochNessAnthony]

Why is the RD-8 so quiet here?

[@danielm5838]

Tr 08 is louder, crisper, and that cowbell and open hat is much better than the rd 8. I wish it had that 808 grit like the rd 8, but the fact that the rd 8 bass doesn't have the same oomph as the tr08 pretty much kills it for me. Which kind of sucks, seeing that the primary drum sounds, to me, sound better on the tr 08, cowbell included. While the rd 8's toms, claps, claves, cymbal, and rims sound better. Would be nice if I could just buy both 🤔

[@ramonkey2939]

I got a Roland cloud and it is very nice still having fun with my drumbrute though

[@aliasghar907]

Why record individually....less interferance of different sounds?

[@LochNessAnthony]

On the Rd-8 it’s so you can apply effects to individual channels.

[@josephlepkowski2383]

Good demonstration of the two. I have the TR08 and love it and have a RD8 on the way. You had to do a factory reset twice using the RD8 (the software you mentioned being worked out) that was probably unexpected. The TR08 has build in compression for every sound (awesome feature didnt see mentioned ). As for what to keep? Thats easy both because you can never have enough 808 .

[@StarskyCarr]

i really like both of them for different reasons. I can see you keeping both once the RD8 arrives. Btw I thought I mentioned the compression on the TR08 (maybe I cut it in an edit?) but it’s only on the kick and snare isn’t it???

[@st0rmchild]

TR-08 compression is only on the bass drum and snare drum. Wouldn't make sense on most of the other sounds, but you can of course compress them however you like since you have separate outputs for every sound over USB.

[@GullySyde28]

I have programmed 808s for years on daw and my main hing for jungle and even trap is to be able to use 808 like a note, you cant have 2 kicks or you cant program a kick pattern? can you tweak the Tune knob on a sequence and it saves??

[@StarskyCarr]

No you can’t retune in a sequence. There are no parameter lock style adjustments.

[@GullySyde28]

@@StarskyCarr Thanks man i still want a RD8 though lol

[@chrisbarnette7137]

I got the rd-8 and what you said is true. It has more " grit " to it, I won't say " distortion " but it's darker sounding. It can be cleaned up in a mixer or DAW.

[@_EightySix]

I just wish Roland would make a Boutique form factor USB interface with 10 analog outs for the Boutique drum machines. Also a Boutique 606. I don't think they'll ever make a Boutique 606 or 707 because the real deals can still be had for pretty cheap.

[@slavikdoter]

Tr6s

[@Cray23_Official]

13:56 should’ve added some lift music to pass the time 😭😭😭

[@robinspiers8109]

Thanks for the executive summary at the beginning, great idea for us "bottom line" personality types!

[@FlockStudio]

At around 6:20 you miss the long decay on the RD-8. To achieve this you will have to use the SEND button and turn the sustain up all the way.

[@StarskyCarr]

I didn’t miss it. It’s a new function from the firmware update that wasn’t available in initial release.

[@waheex]

hate to say it but I prefer the TR-08 sound wise. Was all ready to buy a RD8.

[@iammrpops]

great comparison...i want one of but couldn't choose

[@leeyun1324]

how you connect with microkey? usb cable?

[@victorhugod387]

For me this is about Volume. The RD-8 is not loud enough!!

[@farben_]

Best way is to judge without knowing which machine is playing and guessing, I was surprised to see that even the TR08 has better sounding Toms, maybe people don't care about these sounds but if you're a fan of Detroit electro from the 90's they play a significant part, the RD-8 has some positive aspects but it all boils down to what style of music you want to make.

[@ME-ru4hv]

6:07 did you match these for decay length? the rd8 either looks zoomed or depleted of info.. I wanted one of these for all it can do. I would rather have analogue but it sounds different to me.

[@StarskyCarr]

I took 2 hits of equal duration, but stretched/compressed the screen grabs to fit the screen. Hope that’s ok. What you hear is what they sound like. I’ve not manipulated any audio.

[@ME-ru4hv]

@@StarskyCarr is it ok? lol just wanted to know if there was a correlation with the visual and audio difference. Did not think you messed with the sound. I hope it was ok to ask about it. I like your work.. its helpful.. I dont mean to be give a hrad time ever

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha no worries.

[@rwnet1]

@@StarskyCarr Can I ask, as I don't own one of these: does the R8 trigger stop as soon as you take your finger off, is that why the kick drum decay was so short ? if its that short, I am dissapointed.. in fact a bit gutted tbh..

[@mindtones770]

Hard to judge, Levels matched for sure?

[@StarskyCarr]

read the description... it seems not!

[@lindsaywebb1904]

Has anyone analysed how well the rd8 syncs to midi clock?

[@Ni5ei]

34:15 You can clearly hear the lack of reverb on the RD-8 clap here. Has this been fixed by now?

[@StarskyCarr]

I think it’s inherent in the design.

[@esekion1]

There is no reverb on any sounds.

[@carl156]

Do An Acidlab Miami v RD-8 Showdown ? That would be interesting.

[@gixerags750]

I got the RD9, Roland TRO8 integration with Serato TR Sync is great but sticking with Recordbox as Serato requures a subscription, Audio over USB and Roland MX1 integration is cool , but i id going for the RD8mk2 , not only for rhe price but effects and RD9 workflow familiarity, and the TR08 is pisssant small .with the Behringers it feels more like the OEM originals. Great video m8 .😊

[@VincentsVideoVisions]

The TR08 sounds brighter and louder but that could be because of some sort of compression? I prefer the kick drum on the TR08 personally. Overall I think they are both nifty machines but if I were to buy one it would probably be the RD8 because of the UI and the individual analog outputs. I also do like the wave designer. The clave and rim shot on the TR8 sound nicer IMO, especially the clave. The cowbell on the RD8 is definitely better IMO. The cymbals on the TR8 sound like crap compared to the RD8 - extremely digital sounding. Same with the open and closed hats. That said, even the RD8 hats don't sound that great compared to a real 808 or other analog drum machines like a Tanzbar or Vermona DRM mkIII. That said, I think something like a TR-8s or a used RYTM mk1 would be better because although they both cost more than either of these units, they offer so much more. I got a mk1 RYTM recently for $600 USD and it's amazing because each sound can have a sample AND analog synthesis, plus lots of sound shaping options, fx, p-locking, etc. That said

[@StarskyCarr]

$600 wow... an excellent purchase. I spent over £1000 on mine.. new a few years back

[@QuanticeProductions]

Its mad that an animal as part or a heard with a brass object around its neck would make Electro/Hip-Hop History. i.e The "Iconic Cowbell" 😊

[@anarchist]

Guess what? I got a fever. . And the only prescription... . ...is more cowbell

[@MadelnMachines]

The Roland has a very clean and bright modern hi-fi sound. The RD-8 sounds all old, deep and moody. I wish Roland would stop making these tiny little toy boxes. The Volcas can sod off as well.

[@StarskyCarr]

Now a huge fan of tiny boxes myself... but they do have their uses. The only ones I’ve kept are the TR09 and TR8. TR09 fits in a draw and is very handy and sounds great. TR8 is good for jamming, but doesn’t sound as good. REALLY liked the TD8 but is just so dammed big (can’t believe I’m actually saying it). It was fantastic hands in but took up the room where the Grandmother now sits!!

[@fjfrancois]

13:19 More Cow Bell :)

[@johnny5kmusic346]

Cool video 👍🏾 I dunno... I like the Behringer price wise, and it seem that the difference in the Kick drum can be compensated for by some limiting on a recorded track. As for live, I don't know... But great vid! You helped me make my decision

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

Do you know of any such drum machines that are useful for Jazz (all types, bop, fusion, bossa, etc.). Particularly any that swing (one way or another)? These are all math/astronomically geared. They don't swing at all. Thanks....

[@naev.3344]

I really like the larger size of the rd8 and the ability to correct without starting over. However, I prefer the clarity of the TR08. This is difficult...

[@cymonalex]

Interesting reviews.... I had the original... certainly from a mix point of view, there’s nothing in it... Great work!

[@s3nsec0rruptr80]

Damn. I like the clap mix function in the rd8. The Roland seems like they were mostly concerned with making the kick big and boomy, and phoned in some other things, especially UI. I don't care about that boomy kick since I don't do hip hop or house, so I guess it's the rd8 overall for me. Which sucks because I have room for the Roland firm factor more than the rd8... dammit

[@s3nsec0rruptr80]

Hell of I could get a cr78 or a clone I'd probably go for that, but the 808 shares a lot of similar sounds and the rd8 is probably better for making those kinds of beats.

[@PartsandRestoration]

I like that the Repeat Triggers section was repeated. Cheeky

[@nicholasfaith8999]

Had they gave the Rolands full outputs I'd bought one...

[@QuanticeProductions]

What DAW Do you use Starsky? Hate the word "Daw" Computer Software to remember record ones musical thoughts 😄😄😄 4

[@StarskyCarr]

Quantice Productions I use Logic. ... and in the old days we called it a sequencer!

[@freejazzbone]

always good videos, thanks

[@terrybeach6619]

The TR-08 is great and also the RD-8 is great... But how the RD-8 is on the long run... as an analog device... can it be serviced???

[@StarskyCarr]

All the Behringer stuff feels really solid, and I don’t see why their electronics wouldn’t be as stable as anyone else’s, particularly as they’ve got a state of the art factory so should in theory be better! As far as servicing goes I suspect that like everything else on PCBs it’s harder than with older kit. But at this price... just buy another 😂

[@terrybeach6619]

@@StarskyCarr That's exactly why I bought 2 RD-8's....

[@zombeat7376]

I heard this Behringer does not output real stereo?

[@StarskyCarr]

Just like the original it does pseudo stereo by inverting the phase of one of the outputs. They all do this.

[@alejandrohualdez5550]

How could I not subscribe after all the great synth demos?...I'm from the 80s for God's sake!!! One thing though; why do Behringer make the D synth more compact than the Minimoog, yet the RD 8 is huge compared to the Roland!!!

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks... I suppose Behringer are filling a gap in the market - there was no budget, small Model D available, and no large analog 808 clone... there is now!

[@alanmaxwell4945]

Jason Olds You don’t recall how big the original TR-808 is ?

[@wackerburg]

Happy 808 owner here. None of the machines here moves my senses. The 808 does 😊

[@terrybeach6619]

Great video!!! Should do another one with the Roland TB-03 and Behringer TD-3....

[@43audio89]

TR08 Allows you to drop your own samples into ableton and use TR's step sequencer for all the instruments. Very fun. Even does the tripplets.

[@inf0tr8r]

you can do that with any drum machine with midi out

[@Riktenstein]

For me and I own the TR 808, TR08 and RD8(yes I know that's a bit sad). The RD is way more fun than the tr08, but I appreciate it depends on your personal workflows.

[@VinceWallace478]

why would you say its more fun? i cant decide between the tr 08 and rd 8

[@Riktenstein]

Tarik Kujovic the tr 8 is like the original. No frills but het the job done. The rd 8 has random, probability and an extra fx section. It’s the more thought out of the two. However I really question the quality. This and my td 3 have issues with the main output.

[@VinceWallace478]

@@Riktenstein thank you! so im gonna go with the tr 08. My next decision I have to make will be choosing between a Deepmind 6 or a ju 06a

[@Riktenstein]

@@VinceWallace478 It you go for the Deepmind, go for the 12. I had the 6 and you run out of voices all the time.

[@VinceWallace478]

@@Riktenstein are 6 voices really not enough? Alaso im think about buying the CAT and WASP + Keystep for the same Price rather than the DP12/6 but im not sure

[@elissitdesign]

If you’re doing a proper hip hop recording with good A/D converters the Behringer is the winner-pro studio beast. For performance definitely TR-8s!

[@AwakeFM]

The TR-8S is the business!!

[@niknayme3754]

Yep, TR8s is the best overall performance/studio drum machine Roland have ever made. I really wish they'd do a firmware update to put step probability on it, and the ability to use the big buttons to set the pitch of the step in semitones. That, for me, would just make it perfect...

[@zoundsic]

The vst will take up cpu and then you got the latency to think about depending on what your trying to do. RD-8 probably edges it over the TR-08 for me because of build quality. Those Roland boutiques have sockets that are not very strong especially the usb and if you don't put it in a rack and leave it, it's guaranteed problems before you know it, which completely defeats the point of being portable and able to carry a few around to stick into a k-25m keyboard. Which is why I just decided I may as well get the UNO instead cos I aint lugging about a RD-8. Someone's going to do some pretty amazing stuff on the RD-8 once they learn't it as a instrument but can't see myself dedicating the hours to master it to it's full potential.

[@DJWOLFLIVE]

I don’t hear much of a difference other than the tr08 was louder because it’s in stereo

[@basehead617]

unless you're comparing it against the TR-808 what is the point?

[@StarskyCarr]

have a think about what thew point maybe..? do you have an 808? can you afford an 808? does anyone you know have an 808 that you have unfettered access to? probably not... so the only options left to 99.9% of folks is one of these.. so which do you prefer?? which suits your workflow?? which suits your sound? which suits your studio/live set? .. and what do they sound like side-by-side .. Thats the point.... and I think its quite a good one. Actually I think there's quite a few good points there.. What was the point of your comment btw?

[@basehead617]

@@StarskyCarr Yes I own a TR-808. Your video is comparing two TR-808 clones without comparing them to a TR-808. Just seems odd to me. Still has a purpose though, yes, so I guess I was a bit harsh.

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks ... for putting up with my rant ;)

[@dukeofpearl]

bh617 Well mate. My 808 is noisy. Very hissy. It’s recently been serviced. But it’s analog so it’ll always be noisier than digital. In a studio (and if you really do have one) you’ll know that you have to equalise the 808 to balance it out to fit in the mix. My point here is embrace ALL technology if you are a musician/producer (I’m the latter). I picked up an 08 and was very impressed with it because of the above mentioned noise from my 808. love BOTH analog and digital. It’s all about the end product at the end of the day 👉🏻🎶🎶

[@J0Min]

@@dukeofpearl true that!

[@freelanderride]

I prefer the RD-8