Starting a 567 GM "E" Locomotive Diesel Engine

Rail buffs turn the volume up. The GM "E" Diesel 567 V12 works at 850 rpm delivers 1125 hp to electric motors. NYC #4080 #4068 I covered the lens fearing a fine oil mist, during that part of the video a photo was inserted. video 2331 dieselsmoke1 sends this video address a locomotive blowing carbon out www.zeljeznice.net/download/vi...
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[@isfeldt34]

There's nothing quite as beautiful as the song of The General motors 567 series locomotive engine. Thank you Mr Kettering. The sound of the roots blower, that valve train, those giant pistons. If that's not a reason to be a GM fan. It's up there with a Detroit. Those sounds!

[@jamieteal2107]

Long live the GENERAL 💪💪👍🇦🇺

[@ACLTony]

Up until 1971, the Rock Island and Illinois Central ran their E8s at sustained 90mph speeds on their hotshot passenger runs. Seaboard Coast Line E6,7s, and 8s were whipping 80mph speeds with the Silver Meteor, Silver Star, and Champion. They were mechanical "race horses" until age, high miles ( million+) and deferred maintenance took their toll.

[@vf4000]

It sounds the way they always did. The old engines sound different from the newer EMD engines mostly due to the different blowers. The old engines used gear-driven Roots-type blowers, while modern EMD two-stroke engines use a hybrid blower/turbo charger. This unit is a direct-drive blower up to about throttle 3, after which there is usually enough exhaust flow/pressure to push the turbines and overrun the clutch; then it runs like a normal free-wheeling turbo charger.

[@professorpatpending8731]

love that sound. brings back memories as a small boy in the mid 60s listening to Victorian Railways locos idling at the platform and then increasing the revs when departing.

[@capt.sparrow34]

I worked on a fishing boat that had a very similar engine. I don't remember what model it was but it was a 12 cylinder GM that put out 1,600 hp. Prior to start up we did a blowdown like you, this engine also had a pre-lube system that would bring the oil pressure to about 14 lbs. before rolling it over.

[@colinmcgovern6302]

The sound of an EMD E class locomotive, so soothing

[@richardvanderbilt1261]

20th Century Limited Productions

[@Mercmad]

Thats a sound that brings back memories for me, 4 decades ago i was a loco maintainer and did all sorts of work on dash 8s with the same engine . Quite enjoyable engines to work on except washing out the scavenge chambers .

[@donsgotmoney]

Very exciting. I know this is an older video, but as a 20 year veteran on diesel engines, it still makes my blood dance when I hear one start up, something very unique about a cold diesel from a gas engine. Thanks for sharing.

[@franciscogarcia479]

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[@RadRed44]

Awesome! My grandfather worked for GM in the 40's, installing and tuning these beasts in the LST landing ships for the Navy. I still have some of his notes and manuals.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

RadRed44 A look at the notes would be interesting.

[@Mercmad]

i worked on EMDs an apprentice, and the foreman told me he had seen them in LST's too during WW2.

[@jamieteal2107]

Redrad44 you sure got the beast part right 👍🇦🇺

[@michaelhatcher5264]

Listen to this guy old school Diesel. He knows his stuff

[@Thermionman1970]

Awesome! For years and years and years I always wondered what an engine room on a locomotive was like inside........!!

[@cesarquintana9034]

I don't know anything about locomotives, only that I use to love trains as a kid, but oh boy, WHAT A SWEET SOUND. Thank you for sharing.

[@MrMartmatsil]

This is a valuable tool to learn how a diesel locomotive works.How to start and how it works different from a gasoline engine.And the safety view point,to keep it from having any problems.

[@jmrau]

Boy does this bring back memories. Thanks for sharing. I have had the opportunity to rebuild some of these engines years ago.

[@franciscogarcia479]

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[@Rideandlively]

walking through one of these running is an awesome experience

[@fisharmy5785]

Next time I start my car I'm going to yell "hot start".

[@rossbryan6102]

fish Army THAT IS A SAFETY REQUIREMENT ON THE RAILROAD! YOU CAN BECOME VERY UNPOPULAR IN A HURRY IF YOU DON'T!

[@dumdum7786]

Cold starts are better.

[@johngnipper8768]

@@rossbryan6102 fuck yeah !

[@dennisrevlett1971]

This is one of my favorite videos. I LOVE the sound of the 567. THANKS.

[@scdevon]

I liked how the lights dimmed on the hot start. It takes serious battery amperage to roll those engines over.

[@nerfinator03]

PingasTheFourth i think more if you're talking at 12v

[@robbiewales3007]

This happens on the locomotives I help restore at the museum I do volunteer work for. We have three diesels with emd 8-567cr engines, one with a emd 16-567bc, two with emd 16-567c engines and one with a emd 16-567e

[@adamchoruzek3805]

The beautiful sounds of history here! Thanks for sharing!

[@dalejohnson9342]

I ran the C series of these engines when I was on the U.S.S Enterprise. It is a wonderful engine.

[@natebot321]

That guy is so American it's incredible.

[@thegoingthing]

I love this comment. Reminds me very much of an American teacher of mine.

[@bipradeeproy12a16]

God youtube is recommending videos from the start of its era....

[@charlesrlassiter]

Very interesting explanations on the EMD 567E prime mover. I liked especially the explaining the blowing out of water in the cylinders to prevent vapor lock and possible damage (bending or cracking) of the connecting rods. Thank you for sharing!!!!

[@douglasskaalrud6865]

charlesrlassiter Prevent vapor lock? No, it's to keep the engine from blowing the heads off because you can't compress water.

[@jetstream454]

@@douglasskaalrud6865 Same thing, almost. Vapour, more rather water/hydro lock, causes this

[@jamesshanks2614]

One day I had just dropped off an E60 at motor storage in New Haven, Ct. And as I exited the clerks office I heard an EMD 567B engine start up that was on the wall track between the motor storage building and the wall was one track where they stored excess power and when the E-8 engine started it was running very rough. The center door was open so I stuck my head inside and inquired if they were having any trouble and was told it was a broken camshaft on one side of the engine. I set my bag down and climbed inside as as I was known as a smart ass on locomotives I was told they didn't need my help. So I asked them I know what's wrong and I don't think it's a broken camshaft. The Enginehouse foreman was in there and out of frustration as they had been trying to figure out what was wrong and I asked them " how many over speed trips are on an EMD engine?" One was the answer and everybody agreed with the answer, Gentlemen, not trying to sound like a know it all though I realize that's how I come across the correct answer is 2 over speed trips, one for each camshaft now pull the low oil button on the governor and someone climb up to grab the reset lever for the over speed trip lever then pull on it steadily as we crank her over and when the parts line up she'll drop into reset position. Everyone looked at the foreman and he looked at me and said what have we got to lose? Jim has been right more than I care to admit, try it and they did and the machinist helper pulling on the reset lever was surprised when we rotated the engine and the reset lever moved and locked into place. The foreman released the starter button when he saw the lever move. He reset the low oil button and hit the starter and everyone except me was surprised when she started normally and settled down to a normal idle. This was during August and the engine room was hot and everyone said thanks to me as they had been trying to figure it out for over 45 minutes. The lead machinist asked me how did I know? Sometimes being a railroad buff is helpful when you study the mechanical side of diesel locomotives and I apologize if I sometimes seem like an ass. I noticed over the next couple of years they treated me with a lot more respect than they had previously. And once in a while when going on or off duty they would question me on a problem they were having. One I had heard before. They had a GP-9 that kept having multiple ground relays and would bring it into the shop and Megga the motors all motor cables and the main generator looking for a short to no avail, everything checked out find. Take the engine out on a road test and sooner or later the ground relays started again. I told him a story when I was 15 years old hanging around the Boston and Maine railroad locomotive Shop and they had the same problem with an F-7A unit for 8 months and when I visited on a Saturday night the electrician offered me a cab ride as they were taking her out to see if the problem was fixed. We had at my suggestion all the floor panels up and off to the side and when she tripped out the ground relay the 6th time I saw something and asked the engineer to stop the engine and shut it down and told the electrician there was something rolling around on the box that runs under the high voltage panel. He climbed down and after a minute he started cursing like crazy. And came up and handed me a chrome flashlight with hundreds of scorched marks all over it. While the engineer restarted the engine the electrician put down all the floor boards back where they belonged and the engine worked just fine without any ground relay trips. The locomotive shop foreman was highly upset when he saw the flashlight and called everybody in the shop to his office with their flashlights. Over half had chrome all metal flashlights which he confiscated and issued new yellow plastic flashlights. The electrician at motor storage said it couldn't be that simple and went off to check the locomotive and while I was waiting for my train to come in from Boston the shop foreman called me on the radio by name and said thank you sir, that is exactly what we found in the tray. The locomotive shop foreman issued over 50 new yellow plastic flashlights to his shop people. The is a reason why the railroad issues plastic flashlights and prohibits the use of all metal flashlights. Everyone that reads this whether an employee or a volunteer at a railroad museum this applies to you guys too. Plastic doesn't conduct electricity.

[@davidvaneck2045]

James Shanks Thanks james for the intuitive story.... genius.!!

[@BenDover-wu7ed]

@james wanks Yea yea yea,i bet they really said fuck off jim you fucking know all

[@irishsavage8715]

Too long didn’t read #TLDR

[@a-lineaficionado1000]

You’re a genius James! Very cool stories

[@kenbtheman]

@@irishsavage8715 you should read it. A good spent minute of your life

[@general5104]

I appreciate you making this video. By reading some of the comments, I can tell that they weren't made by railroaders. There are usually 3 or more crafts working on a locomotive at any one time. Each employee NEEDS to keep talking in order to protect hid own safety. If he's quiet the one cranking the engine up thinks he's alone and is less likely to say what step he's in, in the startup process. You heard him ask whether or not the TOP DECK DOORS were closed...that tells me that a Machinist was working on the tops of all the cylinders. If you start an engine with these open its an oily mess! (top deck doors are essentially Valve Covers). Communication amongst railroaders keeps everyone safe.

[@MAPJAH]

America is not only President. America is hardworking people. America are wonderfull buildings. America are you and your goodness.

[@gestmerino]

Great video! Here in Argentine we have a lots of 567-c running!! 💪🏻

[@shawnr26]

I like how the engine starts up. You can actually hear the pistons pumping in the hollow cylinder (at the time), while it's ramping up to speed....kool deal!

[@swf2e]

These locomotives used to be in service for another museum when they were still in Tennessee. There are several pictures of them pulling our excursions.

[@TugboatMatt]

good old 567 series! tons of them on tugs, great old engines

[@alexlane9409]

3:55 is what you're waiting for

[@timmungenast]

I like this one! It's educational and the big EMD sounds very nice.

[@chevyboyforlife4234]

I use to work on tug boats and they had 2 GM locomotive v20..they are just like this engine but with 20 cylinders and 15 litters of displacement per cylinder

[@Bbendfender]

I believe we had a diesel engine similar to this one down in our missile silo when I was in the USAF. Huge engine and very loud being 3 levels deep in a concrete structure. This is how I lost part of my hearing.

[@douglasskaalrud6865]

It's called a layshaft. After the engine has caught you just pull on it a little bit until you hear the engine smooth idle. Try it, it's really easy.

[@MrMartmatsil]

very good for people who love trains.And railroads.the worlds greatest hobby.

[@TrainmasterCurt]

The beautiful chant of the 567c, ahhh!

[@natezemanek]

I love the guy at the beginning! "He`s got that magic demeanor" about him! LOVE this piece!! proud of you guys!!! 50 stars!

[@georgeboyd2774]

Love the sound of a non-turbocharged EMD.

[@CraigArndt]

Love the Medina Museum. Santa Express was a ton of fun when my kids were young.

[@koroshbaradaran9001]

0:08 "i got your nuts" hahahahahahahh

[@robbiewales3007]

This kind of thing reminds me of what a mate of mine constantly does which is start up a emd 16-567e engine. Also being in Australia, he has to activate the knife switch first and turn a dial to start, then he can fire up the loco

[@np560]

Great video and a nice sounding 567B engine. I learned something here, too; hold the layshaft OUT when blowing down with the test cocks open so it won't start. I am Engineer of a GP7 with a 16-567-B engine, so this is good information.

[@Chanel4211]

Loved the Sound of this GM Engine always in my Childhood here in Austria, as the Class 2050 (Austrian Railways) were equipped with this Engine. :)

[@Abitibidoug]

I agree fully. To this day I recognise the characteristic sound of a 2 stroke EMD (GM) engine. There are still many running today, continuing to deliver reliable service, in my home country of Canada. I've also heard their characteristic sound in other places I've travelled, including the United States, India, and Australia. Edited to add: I've also heard this characteristic sound from locomotives of Kiwi Rail in New Zealand. More recently, GE has been getting a larger share of the locomotive market. I wonder if EMD lost their edge after being bought out by Caterpillar.

[@rayford21]

The GM's that used a blower instead of a supercharger sounded better

[@Aspire198]

fantastic, thats what an engine should be like to start up

[@trainman071]

that engine has damn good equal compression on all 16"s perfect for its age in time

[@paradisemace1]

Many years ago I had an International Harvester TD-18 dozer. It had 3 valves per cylinder... one intake, one exhaust, and one that opened a spark plug chamber (also lowered the compression). The intake had flaps to draw from the carb for cranking and warmup... or fresh air when you kicked it over to diesel, never losing more than a few RPM for a few seconds.

[@Cap6302]

We ran these engines on my LST in the Navy! We really didn't need the second blower!! 64 volt electric start.

[@lilbigmorgan]

Those "E" units are amazing. The 6051 sp in Sacramento Ca. Is a beautiful engine. But standing in the middle of those emd motive power engines while under load is incredible youll feel true power from the soles of your shoes through your spine.

[@cmans79tr7]

Beautiful sound.

[@Saf-T-Vision_C2]

Great video. Love the humor in the beginning

Starts quicker than my car.

[@wills.5762]

When I first read this comment I thought you meant it as a joke, but then I watched the video Starts quicker than my car, too

[@leaturk11]

and mine

[@claimless]

"Hot Start!"

[@crashice667]

love how this thing starts up

[@Chevypower265]

Thats cool they let you on there and all. My Grandpa used to work for N+S.

[@chrisgerardpalma5795]

It's the same engine that we're currently using on a still active WW2 landing ship tank here in the Philippines

[@EMDfan1965]

Számomra ezek a motorok az"alfák", nálunk Hungáriában is voltak ezek távoli rokonai, a NOHAB-ok. Én is vezettem őket, sajnos csak keveset.Most mátr a közforgalomban sajnos nincsenek. Ezek a motorok a királyok!!!

[@jongerber3476]

nice of someone running their mouth when you were explaining this. Thank you for your time.

[@OverlandOne]

Awesome! Thanks for sharing it.

[@JasonWaterfalls13]

Awesome vid!! Diesel engines are so great!!

[@skuula]

These are still in operation in Denmark. Search dsb mx and dsb my, danish my locomotive etc.

[@DieselElevators]

These are our locomotives. We're finally looking into realistic time frames for these to be operating on excursions. You should be able to honestly expect them in the next year and a half.

[@MAPJAH]

BRAVO MAESTRO *****

[@foxdmulder]

this is the coolest video on youtube

[@h1aa]

Lovely 2 stroke rumble.

[@Lighting_Desk]

So cool! Fascinating and kinda scary to watch at the same time due to the Woodhorn Museum scale of this beast, but boy does she purr...

[@crashice667]

love the starter noise

[@marcelogprado]

Hi! This vídeo is excellent demonstration. Congratulations!!!

[@truckinjeff]

Great video! Love diesel engines.

[@khadijagwen]

It'd be nice if the other guys were not talking.

[@waitingforacentury]

Americans are always talking

[@Antonio-he4oh]

Waiting For A Century because we have the right to

[@nabonitapaul2011]

Waiting For A Century america

[@AR-jx6wr]

Waiting For A Century you’re a jerk.

[@Jleed989]

I wish KZbin could be for Americans only. I hate foreigners

[@michaelkennedy8573]

To think this was all state of the art brand new tech one day

[@Hiei2k7]

Gotta love that DUB DUB DUB DUB DUB and then it sounds like a whole row of Cylinders clicks on at one time.

[@clank4001]

It should be an E-8. The square hand hole covers indicates the crankace is a 567B, which was offereed in the E8. The E-9 would have round hand hold covers as it had the 567C engine/crankcase

[@dariusadrian650]

And the most interesting part is that în Romania these locomotives are still running and are operational

[@clank4001]

Another spotting feature- notice the square access covers right under the pressure relief valves, this indicates either a 567, 567A or 567B engine. The 567B was used in the E8 locomotive, which this is.

[@vf4000]

Lastly, the EMD engine blocks are of fabricated steel pieces, while the GE's are of huge castings.

[@3Mudbone1]

Reminds me of when I sailed in the best union in the world for merchant marine refrigeration engineers and electricians. (Marine Firemen, Oilers, Watertenders and Wipers Association) [M.F.O.W.]. We would blown down the huge (six story tall) main propulsion 2-stroke diesel engines which were the largest diesel engines in the world. I loved the smell of blowing them down. We used compressed air to start those slow speed, direct drive reversable encines. I would make $100,000 per year (6 months on)

[@ledarilmosley2638]

I went to a boat race in Charleston and got to see a sub. also went to Chicago and went through the u boat that was captured off the African coast. I know it was an electric boat but having worked around diesels, I can imagine how it must have smelled when the krauts were surfacing and charging batteries or moving long distances. glad we had exhaust pipes at the nuclear plant.

[@jchelm1979]

The Diesel engine is not just a generator, what you meant was "You know the diesel engine merely drives a generator" !

[@ranjitdasdirectorofswadhas9]

very nice...

[@Thetrucky69]

THIS ENGINE SOUNDS TUFF!

[@clank4001]

hot start

[@clank4001]

@n4120p It's an E8 which was made in the early 1950's. The engines are specifically 12 cylinder 567B prime movers.

[@colindhowell]

@the124Lscania Yup, two V12 engines, one in front and one in the rear. EMD's E-type passenger locomotives were all like this. In this video the camera is in the middle of the locomotive, usually looking toward the forward engine and the cab. EMD's F-type and GP-type locomotives had a single V16 engine.

[@creamyfilling102]

that is one monster of an engine

[@artisticbeats1016]

The quality of the vid is great considering this vid was made 9 years ago!

[@garfixit]

Great video guys

[@quarans08]

Nah I couldn’t stand next to that thing! I have a crazy imagination from dangerous things in an engine. Especially that big thing!!!

[@ilovemthtrains]

Great Job! I love this guy!!! "the part suits Him" :)

[@TrainmasterCurt]

The most common ones in Canada are the 1200hp ones in the GMD-1's and the SW1200RS's, and the 1750hp ones in the GP9's

[@clank4001]

@the124Lscania yes, two engines. The need for two engines goes back to the original Winton powered E units of the 1930's where 2000HP was required per locomotive, but there was no sigle engine that would put that out. 2ea Winton 900hp engined did fit the bill, and as the E units evolved, two engines were kept to increase redundancy and reliability.

[@massltca]

Yeah I have noticed that too. Guilford Rail System runs a couple SD26 locomotives that originally had 567 engines, but were converted to 645 by Sante Fe. The turbochargers sound different then their GP40's, quieter.

[@bigstuff52]

Goe I love that sound......

[@alansklenar2848]

A very informative video

[@CatHeadKnows53]

Nice video! Sounds like my old Plymouth Fury on a cold morning! Haha! seriously, though, really nice to see this old gal firing up!

[@KohalaIronWorksCase]

Started pretty fast for such huge engine...

[@allencrider]

That's because it's a two-stroke.

[@hamish2202]

+allencrider yes

[@91slownotch]

@4;37, is that 2 superchargers stacked? In the Detroit Diesel/GM world, would that still be considered naturally aspirated? I know in their truck motors, old Detroits with blowers are considered N/A unless turbo'd. But I know very little when it comes to locomotive engines! Cool video!!

[@Ulleval73]

Very interesting; now I have a better idea of the engine start sequence and some of the "wheres" and "why fors" about a diesel locomotive. The engine compartment resembles a U-Boat, just a little bit.

[@craniel2]

these engines were at the tennessee central in nashville a few years ago.

[@clank4001]

@WhiteGangster400 the displacement is 567ci per cylinder, and in thos engine's configuration, 12 cylinders. this locomotive has two 12 cylinder engines