Archer invites a Vulcan captain to dinner

[@omicron6513]

For those curious: there are two close established translations to what Varik says to T'pol in this scene: A. "Shan sha'tuhllar ak ko-mos." Translation- ("Transfer yourself soon, weak woman.") B. "Shan sha'tuhllar ak ko-mesh." Translation- ("Transfer yourself or you'll soon be a shamed-woman." )

[@slewone4905]

don't you need emotions to be shamed

[@kevinemmers7025]

Vulcans have emotions. They just deny that they do.

[@harvestcanada]

The first translation makes more sense. But both words Weak and Shame convey same concept, but used in different contexts. It comes down to finding out more about the socio/cultural aspects of Vulcan society before we could understand the essence of Vanik's meaning. I don't think he said shame, because she hasn't done anything shameful to begin with. But since Vulcans follow the Teachings of Surak, all Vulcans seem to oblige each other maintain the discipline of suppressing thier emotions at an adept to expert level, any preceived deviation from those teachings will be seen as a weak minded thing to do. Shame implies that T'pol is not worth speaking to. But Vanik spoked to her at the end of the meal and excepted her invitation, so his actions does not imply he is ashamed of her, but cannot understand why she chooses to serve with Humans he treats with utter disdane.

[@XSilver_WaterX]

This show gives a good example of how their mighty civilization fell, pride and self-dominance. 600 years of willing-neglect and they let ONLY logic dictate their lives as the corrupted Surak's teaching of balancing the three powers of their society. Logic, emotion, will. Archer is annoying af, but his is right that Vulcans are extinct on a cultural and mental level.

[@jimmyzhao2673]

I think he said "I will snatch every motherf*cker birthday"

[@silverguy9605]

That face Archer gives when Varik says hes already eaten like: Mate I asked you over to eat why the hell did you eat before you came here?

[@Beacuzz]

Exceptionally rude to all human cultures.

[@paulhunter6742]

Maybe the Vulcan Captain though he have eat human food which wasn't prepared for. yet could made effort be civilized.

[@NathanielHellerstein]

How rude!

[@harvestcanada]

Vanik accept Archer's invitation. Archer made a bad host. Imagine having the grace to accept an invitation in the spirit in which it has been given, and then being kicked in the Alien balls for it.

[@jakerazmataz852]

That got me as well. He should have called him on it. Ok, dammit, know I have to watch the episode for free somewhere. I'm not paying for it.😁 To find out the back, and front, story.

[@TheRealLaughingGravy]

I always liked it when Star Trek dared to depict Vulcans as less than saints. It made them more interesting and more believable. They weren't all zen like Spock; he was an exception. This series did it extremely well.

[@kokukokubin6092]

The primary personality trait of Vulcans is stoicism, and with Spock and Tuvok they came off as abrasive because of it, but they were never really bad people. Enterprise and S7 of DS9 really explored what that stoicism looked like in Vulcans who actually were mean-spirited or crazy. The thing that gets me about Vanik is that either he was deliberately provoking Archer, or Vulcan training on dealing with foreign cultures is so poor that he was unwittingly being extremely rude. Either way it reflects poorly on the Vulcans.

[@alphanerd7221]

It's not like Spock is perfect. He flips out often.

[@dr.stephenflorezdc6358]

I would imagine they would have a dark side. Consider their distant past, their total suppression of emotions, and their close relations the Romulans.

[@dawood121derful]

Spock was half human

[@rickcarson591]

@@dawood121derful there's possibly an argument to be made that Spock was doing what Worf was doing - trying desperately to be more Vulcan/Klingon than the Vulcans/Klingons themselves in order to gain their acceptance - in which case they're unreliable witnesses as to the true nature of those species' societies because they're an exaggeration, a caricature as they try to overcompensate for their human sides. (In Worf it's cultural instead of biological, but still)

[@Ooilei]

I hate how people say Vulcans don't have emotions, this scene proves that they do. Vulcans have emotions, very strong emotions as well, they just repress them, or try not to show them, but it's never possible to completey hide or repress your emotions, and this captain is a clear example of that. He's rude, arrogant, and offensive. Vulcans can be humble, polite, and friendly, he just chose not to be

[@MemekingJag]

yeah, they think themselves above all emotional pulls but still indulge in petty vindictiveness and snooty superiority. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations is a nice phrase, but doesn't really mean anything when you rule out the massive range of permutations and variables that come with what they see as a 'primitive' species. I like that though. It's nice that species are contradictory, nuanced and flawed, just like our own is. It's contradictions like those that really make a fictional universe cross the threshold from 'thought out setting' to 'setting with depth'.

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@MemekingJag A slight non sequitur - The Vulcan captain was played by the actor who played " Phil " on original Night Court.

[@MemekingJag]

@@DanielAppleton-lr9eq NIIIGHTTT COUUURRRTTTT

[@SardonicALLY]

I think you'll find that none of the negative or positive attributes you listed are actually 'emotions' - and that the so called emotions you mentioned are actually your response to his cold and calculated lack of emotion. Having said that, you are right they do have very strong emotions that they suppress and they are aware of them even as they suppress them, Vulcans of this era are even somewhat informed by their emotions although they would never admit it.

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@SardonicALLY & the irony of talking about representatives of a species that doesn't exist in the physical world except for actors in makeup,

[@dingodango3725]

I don't know why but Archer repeatedly ducking under the beam as he paces back and forth talking to T'Pol tickles me. I wonder how many times he hit his head on that thing before it became second nature.

[@wizrom3046]

When the engineers designed that big ship they would have given the good rooms to the high rank officers, and the low ceiling crappy rooms near the engines, to the disposable ensigns. So both Archer and TPol would have good rooms with high ceilings.

[@cellulanus]

@@wizrom3046 I always got the impression that the Ready Room on the NX class was less something that was specifically designed and more a happy accident making use of a small gap in the deck layout that was too small to be used for much. Keep in mind the Constitution class didn't have a Ready Room at all.

[@wizrom3046]

@@cellulanus ... fair enough, but considering the ENORMOUS size and expense of these starships, building in enough headroom would have been a no brainer.

[@zacharyb2723]

@@wizrom3046 I mean in sea ships, you get annoying headspace issues because the shape of the vessel's hull is the priority.

[@wizrom3046]

@@zacharyb2723 yeah, but those sea ships were designed long before computer CAD walkthroughs etc, you would think by the 24th century they would have decent designers that can make a CEILING work

[@theunknowngamer5477]

The restraint and control of emotions the Vulcan culture strives for seems to not include pride and insult.

[@laz7354]

Vulcans if this era had ... lost their way.

[@Ge1Ri4]

It wasn't until later in the series that Archer and T'Pol helped a much younger T'Pau rescue the lost teachings of Surak and make them public to re-enlighten Vulcan society.

[@Xerxes2005]

Vulcans have never been good at hiding those, and you could add indignation, disgust and irritation to that list.

[@Jadefox32]

It's more their baser aggressive emotions and passions they strive to control.

[@carstenhansen5757]

I'm pretty sure it's not healthy, to restrain your emotions like that.

[@MackeyDeez]

Seeing Archer and Vanik interaction is like when your mother-in-law come to stay for a few days.

[@Sagittarius-81]

Or, the NSA.

[@douglascooper1987]

@@Sagittarius-81 🎯

[@davidkay7389]

A few days too long

[@jamest1148]

On Everybody Loves Raymond, Deborah would be Archer and Varik would be Marie?

[@BentWaterZ]

especially that last line, lmao

[@SG14ever]

"Ah, Captain Vanik! Welcome! I hope you're prepared for an unforgettable luncheon!"

[@williambowes4150]

"I thought you said we were having pock'tar"

[@Winterascent]

Really, the aurora Borealis, at this time of day, entirely confined to your engineering department?

[@williambowes4150]

Well archer, made it, despite your co-ordinates

[@LordDavid04]

@@williambowes4150 And you call this pock'tar despite the fact that it is obviously pomleek soup.

[@williambowes4150]

@@LordDavid04 yes, it's a regional dialect

[@davidgradwell8830]

It sorta explains why Dr. McCoy was always ticked off by Vulcans in general. They're like that smart-ass, snobby brainy kid in high school, the teacher's pet who'd always rub your nose in the fact that they always get straight "A"s!

[@MrCrchandler]

An entire race of Fraiser and Niles Cranes.

[@ADayintheLifeoftheTw]

@Beth Jim They wish they were that hilarious and fashionable.

[@LordTalax]

Spock wasn't so arrogant as this captain. He also had a great amount of scientific curiosity.

[@davidgradwell8830]

@@LordTalax Well, we know that beneath his bluster, McCoy loved Spock and risked his life to save him--on several occasions. And Spock felt the same for Bones. Of course, neither of them would admit it--publicly. :)

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@MrCrchandler A planet of Sheldon Coopers.

[@johnmclean9382]

"Vulcans don't drink wine." Neither do vampires.

[@MandoMTL]

Imagine if Andorians had made first contact istead of Vulcans. Earth and Andoria would be sister planets and we'd already have mixed families.

[@jefferee2002]

Not sure about that. Andorians appear to be a species evolved from insects and humans from mammals.

[@lucacornille83]

​@@jefferee2002actually they're mammals that evolved antennae for better coordination and to sense pressure changes in the air due to frequent storms on their homeworld (think of them as a set of secondary inner ears)

[@mikejankowski3088]

I don't know...both Andorians and Vulcans are cold.... just different meanings of "cold" lol

[@hemaccabe4292]

Or they may have decided to impose martial law to help us. Never know. We can be hard to get along with.

[@chrisloesch1870]

@@hemaccabe4292 and so could they. And how would Vulcans imposing martial law on all of humanity help? That’s tyranny, that’s fascism, if anything. Sorry but no way.

[@douggraham5082]

A very underrated show. Jolene Blalock was just great to watch. She really WAS T'Pol.

[@LG123ABC]

And easy on the eyes too!

[@The_Gallowglass]

If you ever watch interviews with her she's like a huge Trek nerd.

[@kanaric]

She is one of like only 2 or 3 characters that were good on this shit.

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@LG123ABC She also had a recurring role on Stargate SG1 as Teal'c's romantic interest, a female Jaffa.

[@mikedeck8381]

Yeah outside of Archer, the Vulcan and maybe Trip the rest of the cast was fairly bland.

[@144Donn]

Enterprise....in my opinion a quality show! There were some great scenes and I like Archer's energy and approach to being captain.

[@getinthering7309]

yeah it just wasnt "star treky" enough to most fans. same thing happened with marvel vs capcom games: latest came out heh, so they didnt buy it & it got neve patched or modified in anyway because despite being good it didnt have the notches that defines that kind of game to fans: xmen(marvel was buying fox at the time, they couldnt let fox know the price could rise). result? nomoreMVC. at all. mvci was the last. no rumour nor tease for another one: fans killed it.

[@TowGunner]

Being a life long Trekkie, I too enjoyed the show. Scott Bacula was great. Jolene Blalock and John Billingsley was fantastic. I didn’t care much for Dominic Keating or Anthony Montgomery. A lot of fans didn’t like the Xindi arc but I did. The finale was unadulterated shit.

[@Robert-hz9bj]

"Archer's energy and approach..." You mean like at 1:07 where he has his Vulcan science officer come into his cabin to make a bigoted generalization about Vulcans, complain loudly about suspected Vulcan government policies she has no knowledge or influence on before declaring that he's going to do nothing (thus rendering their entire private meeting pointless)? Archer was a moron and a bigot, and honestly his presence as captain made me think the Vulcans were right to be suspicious of humanity (i.e., THIS is the best you amateurs could come up with to run your most important piece of technology?!)...

[@pirunnyrkki518]

@@Robert-hz9bj Considering the history he is just in his supicions. And the irony in your statement speaks volumes considering how the vulcans are towards humans. Both are untrusting of one another. Putting the blame on archer is silly. Maybe you need to put your bias aside and actually watch the show and learn before you made an absurd comment lol

[@Robert-hz9bj]

@@pirunnyrkki518 A) I watched literally every episode of Enterprise as it premiered on UPN hoping it would get better, B) The fact that his baseless suspicions proved justified does not vindicate Archer, it demonstrates bad writing. The way these plots demonstrate the supposed correctness of Archer's prejudices is akin to a moral of "it turns out the bigot was right to be bigoted," which is VERY bad storytelling, c) literally none of this justifies his hostility or open prejudice to T'Pol.

[@salilbhatnagar]

I always prefered the Andorians in this era. Heck I even rooted for them went they basically went to war with the vulcans

[@jameshagan2832]

Same. They were more relatable to humans then the Vulcans

[@nicholasmaude6906]

"Vulcans don't drink wine" - Well T'Pol certainly did so as the series progressed.

[@gerardcousineau3478]

T'Pol did get very human as she hangs around humans. This series if not for the last episode will be one of the best sci-fi show ever. Very underrated. This episode with that Vulcan Captain is a delight. 👌

[@laz7354]

@@gerardcousineau3478 indeed ... I always skip that last episode whenever I rewatch this otherwise stellar series.

[@waynefiddler3609]

@@gerardcousineau3478 Rewatch it and pretend the second to last episode is the last episode and it dramatically improves the series. Just pretend the last episode never happens, trip never dies a stupid death. Perfect

[@Tehownilator]

That’s what was so relatable about her character; she was not like humans but deep down she felt the sensibility of what humans do and wanted to enjoy it with them. Just her upbringing programmed her to reject those feelings with logic.

[@nicholasmaude6906]

@@Tehownilator IIRC T'Pol's mother, T'Les, told Trip that her daughter was quite emotional by Vulcan standards.

[@catsupchutney]

He's acting rather haughty for someone cautioning against arrogance.

[@margotrosendorn6371]

You have to admire Archer for throwing a dinner party so awkward it made a VULCAN lose his cool and storm off! No way he didn't do that on purpose...

[@jamest1148]

Vulcans have a lot of nerve calling humans arrogant. Vulcans have alot more in common with Romulans than being simple blood relatives.

[@rudolphclancy8293]

It's something I love about the Vulcans in Enterprise, thinking their shit don't stink.

[@JunoMacLeod]

"Seeing the attitude of some Vulcans, you might even consider liking it some Romulans"

[@ShannonFreng]

My favourite was when Vanik told Archer: "You're easily impressed." The look on Archer's face was classic. William Utay was perfectly cast, as Vanik.

[@mrdynamic8678]

If vulcans lived on earth, they would drive BMW’s and take up two parking spaces at the grocery store

[@franksizzllemann5628]

Two parking spaces? They would park in front of the door with the motor running so everyone would have to walk around to get to the door and get a nice whiff of the exhaust along the way.

[@robertmartinjr.4537]

No they would have driven Teslas and hogged all of the supercharging stations 😂

[@KH4444444444N]

Not logical...

[@edwardrapp235]

You mean Mercedes, Land Rover or other snooty vehicle

[@Southern_Crusader]

This comment still makes me laugh! 😂

[@kamaboko1]

Trip: "What did he say?" T'pol: "He said I'm hot as shit, and should be on a Vulcan ship."

[@Gunner192]

"Humans have never held much interest for me." Somewhat serious scene, but the Vulcan dryness is quite humorous.

[@chrisloesch1870]

You can't really blame archer for reacting to Vanik the way he did. Vulcans had treated humans like scum for 100 years prior to their first warp 5 vessel and he had witnessed it first hand with his father and his dad's interactions with Solak. The Vulcans had a long history of that behavior with other species as well, part of the reason they went to war with the Andorians on several different occassions. The Vulcans were never able to lead the coalition that became the federation and had to rely on Humans whom they deemed inferior because of their inability to emotionally relate to other species. It was the giant paradox of logic. Logic without compassion is tyranny according to Surak and by this time in Star Trek lore they had strayed far from the teachings of Surak even becoming militaristic partly due to the covert infiltration of the Rhiansuu “those that march beneath the raptors wings” aka the Romulans into the Vulcan hierarchy of the High Command something ENT was going to get into had a Season 5 gone forward, that and T'Pol's half Romulan heritage. It’s a shame too they didn’t get to seasons 5,6,&7. Fans were BEGGING Berman and Braga to dive into the Vulcan Romulan connection even in season 2 as well as the Earth Romulan war that preceded the original series encounter in “balance of terror.” Unfortunately Braga had terrible writers working for him in seasons 1&2 and he was out of ideas as well when the series started. It was only when manny Coto took over midway through the Xindi arc that the series took a major turn in the right direction. If they had stuck with the concept of the series being a prequel to the first Star Trek series and focused more on some of the topics hinted at during the early days of the Federation like the disastrous first contact and war with the Klingon empire and Romulan Star empire instead of regurgitated rehashed Voyager episodes they might have been able to convince Paramount and CBS executives to override Les Moonves (who hated everything Star Trek) and stop the cancellation.

[@lagrangewei]

the relation between the human and vulcan mirrors that of china and america then with the american always looking down on chinese technology. there is no point to be angry about it, if your technology is on par, why would you care how they judge you? this is why china is working hard to reach parity, it is the only way to gain respect, they know only result matter, there is no point in being angry about their prejudice, being angry won't change anything. this is why i look down on archer in this scene, he allow his emotion to get the better of him just because he was provoked.

[@chadwickmacarthur4760]

As fans raised up to 32 million dollars too start a another season interesting fact :) it was crowd sourced

[@xanderguldie]

Hear, hear! Great comment, I absolutely agree with everything you said.

[@chrisloesch1870]

@@lagrangewei I’m not sure I understand your comment in relationship to mine. archer was not prejudice, certainly not anymore than the Vulcans who despised humans and everything they stood for yet hid behind logic. Archer disliked Vulcans because of what they did to his father. That’s called street smarts. Would you like someone that treats your family like scum? If your completely honest with yourself you wouldn’t. And I wouldn’t call you prejudice either. And you are completely wrong about the relationship between Vulcans and Humans mirroring China and the US regarding technology. A more accurate analogy would be the British and China. But the fact remains China stole a good deal of their technology from the United States and that’s undeniable fact even though we were a big reason they joined the WTO. And I don’t care how they judged anyone.

[@chrisloesch1870]

@@chadwickmacarthur4760 yeah almost enough to keep it going but Cbs still refused. Les moonves was a total ahole that hated everything Trek

[@damocles8417]

Please show Captain Vanik to the launch bay. Not the one with his shuttle in it, the empty launch bay, with the defective door.

[@jeffersonadams8711]

SPOILERS FOR ENTERPRISE S01. STOP READING IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED IT: There's actually a "valid" (depending on your POV) reason for the rudeness this Vulcan is showing Archer. In the episode immediately before this one, Archer and his crew were indirectly responsible for the destruction of a sacred, thousands year-old Vulcan sanctuary. Granted, it was the fault of the Vulcans because they had hidden an espionage facility beneath the sanctuary, but Archer and his team not only uncovered the facility but let the Andorians (the Vulcans' sworn enemies) report the existence of the facility to their superiors. The Andorians then destroyed the spy facility and the sanctuary because its existence was in violation of a treaty they had with the Vulcans. So it was 95% the fault of the Vulcans, but since they couldn't go to war with Andoria, they decided to take out their "anger" on Archer and his crew. Hence, this scene. Bearing all that in mind, this is actually a pretty well-written show.

[@josefwolanczyk4866]

…okay, you know what, this *makes sense* and I feel a bit silly for not realizing it before. This isn't a spying mission-this is a "What the hell kind of people are these iconoclastic terrorist-supporting freaks" mission. And that makes his attitude *so much clearer*.

[@ballybunion9]

He's not interested in humans but he went _two days_ out of his way to watch humans study a comet?

[@georgehaze]

Just imagine how it would have gone had Shrann also been invited to the same table! :)

[@MisterMarin]

Assuming Shran would've even agreed to sit at the same table with a Vulcan, he'd spend the whole time yakking his mouth, mocking and ridiculing the Vulcans. 😛

[@BigManPigMan628]

Say what you want about Klingons and their "table manners", they are a lively conversation at the dinner table.

[@ParagonRex]

Man...I miss this show, especially in light of what has come since....Jonathan Archer greatest explorer in human history

[@W00KER]

This show looks like the last Star Trek show ever in hindsight. But I think Archer is the weakest aspect. He's constantly emotional and making terrible decisions, lol. The first season is outright comedy in how he risks lives and stumbles blindly into dangerous situations. Only plot armor could keep this guy alive.

[@richardlahan7068]

@Wooker That's the whole point of the show. Humans are still trying to figure it out. No Prime Directive, no Federation and maybe a bit too defensive when it comes to their own inexperience.

[@W00KER]

@@richardlahan7068 Yeah, I need to rewatch, I may have been too harsh there on Archer, and I like Bakula as an actor, but the entire rest of the crew seemed professional and competent while I remember him as Mr emotional outburst, lol. Kirk would pop a joke off once and a while but was always composed and rational, nevermind Picard who is like the embodiment of professionalism.

[@garrenseifert790]

Picard did far more than archer

[@ParagonRex]

@@garrenseifert790 Troll somewhere else. Picard walk a street paved by Archer and Garth and Pike and Kirk.

[@getreal6124]

By the way, this is from the ep "Breaking the Ice."

[@carolynm8421]

"Well, where did the time go?" 😂

[@gcmgome]

I used to enjoy this show. Scott Bakula took a bit of getting used to as captain but the Andorans, Augments, T'Pol and Phlox among many unique characters and engaging story lines more than made up for it.

[@ralphpal]

But Scott bakula is kind of actor you just like

[@wizrom3046]

Nah he sucks. The show would have rocked with a good captain, Bakula is comic relief, not captain material.

[@paulhunter6742]

I liked Scott Bakula right from beginning. He was lot more stable than Captain Kirk. He thought about his actions before just jumping into situations.

[@neilcarter77]

@@wizrom3046wtf are you talking about? His portrayal of Archer, is right up there with Picard.

[@wizrom3046]

@@neilcarter77 No I think Bakula has too much natural humour, too much smirk. The captain is NEVER a comedy role. I know Shatner dabbled in a bit of cheeky comic behaviour in the original series but he was also a swashbuckling hero cowboy character. Bakula's written part was more of a modern captain; thoughtful, tactical etc but he was just way to smirky for that part. He should have been the sidekick first officer or something.

[@saucyduckglobalomnihyperme7510]

Bakula and Blalock really played off each other beautifully in these scenes, especially as the show went on. Great stuff.

[@ejseabury]

They should do a limited “Star Trek: Archer” series. Feature an upgraded Enterprise, the Earth-Romulan War and more discoveries made by Jonathan Archer. And yes… Make the last episode go away, as a bad dream William Riker had, and make certain Tripp is still alive and well.

[@thomas.parnell7365]

I love the idea but they much older now archer as admiral that could maybe work

[@kanaric]

since all the actors are old now and Lower Decks did well they should just do an animated show at this point, it would work

[@volbound1700]

@@kanaric or say the characters in the original show were holograms and have the "actual" characters as the new actors. However, that would be a MAJOR insult to the original cast. The last episode was trash.

[@My-Pal-Hal]

They don't hold humans as interesting. Yet they want to hang around them and Observe. I guess Vulcan Logic didn't exist in this timeline eh 😂

[@nicerdycer7872]

This fascinating statement is illogical 😂

[@rcnelson]

Translation of Vulcan phrase: "Your damned pasta was underdone."

[@wristdisabledwriter2893]

Was that really?

[@l.a.3479]

@@wristdisabledwriter2893 No

[@l.a.3479]

🤣🤣🤣

[@solotron7390]

I can't get past the way Archer has to duck each time he moves past that beam. Who designed this ship?

[@ColinRichardson]

Maybe the same people who build the first submarines. It's like they have never seen a Galaxy class starship before!

[@Vhailor_Mithras]

Yeah, Human ships in this Era went through space like submarines, so the design was more utilitarian. As the ships got bigger and advanced they became more like cruise liners.

[@BeardsleyMark]

Solo, the low overhead and lower beams were intentional design elements to show how new and basic the ship was. It echoes the low overhead and deck beams on Napololeonic Era sailing vessels. The writer and the director had Bakula pace back and forth to bring your attention to the basic nature of the Enterprise and the drive and energy of Captain Archer, and Earth.

[@guysky3873]

I am curious to see the blooper reel - I wonder how many times Bakula bumped his noggin while filming in this set?

[@fionam3554]

@@BeardsleyMark I was on a Revolutionary War era vessel in Boston once, Below decks I could ALMOST touch the beams with my SHOULDERS... much less my head. Granted, people are a little taller now than those days, but not a foot.

[@williamcollins7724]

I can just see the Earth Captain's log concerning dinner this evening..."...Dinner was awkward to say the least!"

[@myfavoritemartian1]

Vulcan Capt to T'Pol: "Leave this ship or you will be a shamed female." T'Pol back: "I have already bonded and had sex with a Human so staying on this ship should not be an issue." (She really upped her game on one liners)

[@Ooilei]

@mydixiewrecked4582 That's been the best translation that's been given

[@jwbartle]

Didn't this episode happen way before the Xindi arc where T'Pol and Trip got together?

[@pavarottiaardvark3431]

Ah, Captain Vanek! I hope you're prepared for an unforgettable luncheon!

[@saturn580]

"It's called trolling. We do a little trolling." -Vulcans

[@l.a.3479]

🤣🤣🤣

[@RabbitShirak]

No, that would be Vorlons

[@cernstormrunner7263]

5:44 that sounded rather emotional for a Vulcan...

[@robertlee1497]

So...did Cmdr Tucker finish his supper?...did he gaze at all that food and think: "are you going to eat that?" Will i have to buy this series to find any answers? :)

[@Shogun459]

When the Vulcan's turned in their emotions they got a double portion of both Arrogance and Rudeness.

[@sidpheasant7585]

Yes, a particularly intriguing feature of "Enterprise" (given that First Contact was with Vulcans and that Spock had primed us with a vision of their most noble side) was how much of a pain they actually were. Really a clever and rather paradoxical twist!

[@sirierieott5882]

This is like a boyfriend to father dinner with girlfriend in the middle… But seriously, this brilliantly awkward dinner scene sets up the dialogue in later episodes where a senior Vulcan, maybe T’Pol’s father expresses the real and present truth and concern that the Vulcans have over Humans. It took them (Vulcans) over a thousand years to recover and develop after a devastating planetary nuclear war. Contrasting starkly with Humans recovery and surging developemt into spaceflight in only 150 years. That is what frightens and fascinates them with regard to their new allies the Humans who managed to do what they did, but in only 15% of the time… The Vulcan leaders recognise the emotional power of imagination and motivation that drives us and which they have banished to protect themselves from their own inner demons. They know and see the benefits of us as emerging allies , it’s just thatthey hate to admit it because it’s a bit humiliating as they see us sucseeding them in time.

[@tandy139]

I'd forgotten how great this show was.

[@metal87power]

Vulcans are so jealous, I love it

[@MerlynEmerald]

I like the Vulcans from this series. I don't know what everyone doesn't like? Vulcans are exactly like that - conservative, traditional, closed, high opinion of themselves. They still helped people to get out of the post-war pit. And, by the way, dealing with another planet is not equal to mixing two different species!

[@jamesrowntree108]

Bonus... They are not Transgender or LGBTQ etc...

[@MerlynEmerald]

@@jamesrowntree108 By the way, yes! For Vulcans, such deviations are certainly not normal, it strongly contradicts logic. They are clear traditionalists. Unfortunately, I read that in Peter David's New Frontiers, Dr. Selar has a gay brother named Slon. Nah... they still pushed in a minority, and even spoiled the Vulcan image. But his parents thought it was illogical and didn't accept it, which is reassuring. Vulcans are the right guys.

[@Ragitsu]

@@jamesrowntree108 If you cannot judge a man's character, look to the company he keeps. The fact that this channel owner isn't shooing away bigots such as yourself (in the comment section for a STAR TREK video) speaks volumes about _their_ character.

[@Ragitsu]

@@MerlynEmerald You're projecting your homophobic cultural sentiments onto a fictional one.

[@MerlynEmerald]

@@Ragitsu Freedom of speech? No, I haven't. And, by the way, Star Trek has made it clear by many of its TV series and films that LGBT people are not in it or are censured. Recently, the agenda has been pushed everywhere and everywhere. Vulcans wouldn't approve of that. And the Klingons even more so.

[@refulgent_fanta]

Vanik was such a dick even T'Pol was uncomfortable with his behavior.

[@captainobvious9233]

The Vulcan Captain is me when my aunts come over and I'm forced converse with them.

[@willybeezy2775]

William Utay is a very versatile actor. This is his only episode as Vulcan Captain Vanik. He has numerous credited tv shows and movies under his belt. The one character that I remember him playing was Phil Sanders on night court.

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

Mr. Utay must have an inner Vulcan.

[@lorenzolamacchia9944]

Non sono un fanatico di Star Trek ma dipingere in tal modo i vulcaniani rispecchia il bisogno ossessivo di noi umani di disprezzare tutti i modi di pensare e vivere altrui. Sempre convinti di essere i migliori.

[@JoePina0]

I agree with others, this is a very underrated show. Definitely some flaws, but overall, well written. I found the Vulcan-Human relationship arc... er, fascinating. It took a while for me to get used to the open condescension of the Vulcans and the resentment of the humans, but the Admiral Forest and Ambassador Soval relationship explained it all to me. Both species are vulnerable and fearful of each other, but they come to respect and need each other as allies.

[@JanetStarChild]

Gawdammit, Archer; stand still for a moment.

[@ynvch]

Archer should have just spoken directly.

[@alydev23]

The way he was ducking under that bulkhead while pacing was very funny

[@Freddie1980]

For a moment I thought he was going to be escorted to the air lock

[@darrellhagan6124]

I SO thought that Capt. Archer was going to smack his head on the ceiling support at least once while talking to T'Pol.....

[@caronstout354]

Thats our Sam Beckett..still leaping and trying to make right what once was wrong...

[@GeorgeGiann]

I just loved this show.

[@blazemordly9746]

At the end he said, "You have the most beautiful eyes in the galaxy." hehe

[@lohrtom]

Legend has it Vanik has loosened up a bit and now has it own facebook page and Grindr profile.

[@savvassimitsis9090]

There's something about his accent that makes him even more distant

[@kevinthepaladin235]

This and deep space nine are my favorite star trek

[@halwasserman7905]

I don't think there have ever been Vulcans less interested in having a good time than the Vulcans on this show. Mind you I have to tell you in terms of unpleasant dinners I think my family takes the prize. It's like eating in a damn mausoleum.

[@christopherdean1326]

That woman could read the telephone directory for 1960s Doncaster and make it sound sexy!

[@MisterMarin]

Ooouuuhhh! Most awkward dinner ever! 🙂

[@KH4444444444N]

Uhhh. No. Star Trek 6, The Undiscovered Country. If you're a fan, be a fan.

[@MisterMarin]

@@KH4444444444N Hmmm... debatable, debatable... 🤔

[@KH4444444444N]

@@MisterMarin If a conversation between Humans and Klingons goes into "Hitler" territpry...Come onnn.

[@nicerdycer7872]

Tucker is a Wraith 😶‍🌫️🤯

[@alexmuenster2102]

And the end, after the Vulcan captain leaves, Trip should have shouted, "Time to break out the keg!"

[@ralphchristian9273]

Archer sounds a bit paranoid

[@SciHeartJourney]

If the "Captain" asked me to dine with him, I would refuse. Nothing I do is good enough for him. I don't need that STRESS 😖 while I'm eating.

[@user-iz3gv5vo6b]

Interesting how this Vulcan has a British accent.

[@힐만94]

Damn, I miss this show already... It shouldn't be only 4 seasons, and the ending was stolen from the original casts... Capt Archer proves to be one of the best Captain in Star Trek's universe... Of course there are some "less favourite" episodes, but what I like most is the "love-hate" relationship of Archer and Shran...

[@TheSonyExperience]

Im surprised no one talked about the comment about Archer saying if he is the type of guy to watch, let him watch lol.

[@adamgrimsley2900]

This is straight outta the Shatner acting manual

[@adammiller6606]

Captain Vanak did and does rock!!! -🤘🧛‍♂️

[@Southernburrito]

Thanks for the entertainment 🖖🏻😌 ⛄️🧌 😁

[@edwardpate6128]

Enterprise was very underrated.

[@Ved000000]

Dude bit into that green bean(?) like it withheld the cure to his father's illness.

[@timmytheimpaler]

Even though this wasn't a Trip-centric scene, I find it interesting that the Trip centric episodes were clearly among the series-best: the Enemy Mine on which trip has to cooperate with a hostile alien; the one on which Trip and Reed fight hypothermia on a shuttle craft; the one on which Trip saves a kidnapped princess; Trip's pregnancy, among others.

[@armydillo1013]

I hated how the pregnancy made jokes at Trip’s expense. The guy was raped.

[@timmytheimpaler]

@@armydillo1013 I don't think you could call that rape.

[@miggz8487]

New trek fan here, so far I’ve seen all the shows except for DISC and the TOS movies. Out of all of them, enterprise and Ds9 really stand out for me. Sisko the widower, captain, father and emissary and on top of all that he showed us that brown folk will part of the future. Hip hop shit homie. But Jonathan Archer bro, this fool laid down the path of space exploration, helped form the federation. Like this vato literally was boldly going where no man has gone before, exploring strange new worlds and getting all fucked up in the process. Archer>Kirk 🤷 not to discredit the OG Kirk though he’s still a badass he fucked khan up with a plastic pipe that one time

[@volbound1700]

DS9 is the best Star Trek series IMO. Enterprise could have beat it had they taken out the pointless time travel story lines and actually finished with Earth-Romulan War and Birth of the Fed. You need to watch TOS movies. (Well you can miss 5, it isn't good).

[@DerekBurns-qe1xo]

THAT VULCAN SOUNDS 19TH CENTURY ENGLISH MAN!!!!

[@olderbutnowiser6701]

Translation: “you have a great set of norks”

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

Vulcans are voyeurs. Never woulda called that.

[@petergreenwald9639]

This episode set a tone. A tone that, according to the 'lore" of the "future" shows was slowly and painfully resolved. Had the powers that be left the whole time travel bullshit aside and realized that people were the prize of all the other series, this would have had a seven year run to take us from that dinner to the days when Kirk, Spock, and McCoy sat around a campfire trading insults and realizing the value of true friendship. Alas, yet another director/producer/etc pile of dung were more interested in their genitals than their purpose. And so my imagination will cast a blanket of dreams amidst my thoughts and hopes. And so a cast of remarkable people will find other employment to my dismay.

[@seeriktus]

My head-canon is that no Star Trek has even been produced post-2005. I've chosen to delete the rubbish in Star Trek discovery from my memory.

[@petergreenwald9639]

@@seeriktus It saddens me that you are probably taking the right path. I tried really, really hard to enjoy the ones on Paramount +. I just couldn't. In the past, there was always a certain decorum on the bridge and relationships were believable. The only complaint I had was putting 7of9 in that ghastly tight sock of an outfit. Putting her in a uniform one day would have been a hell of an episode side bar. Oh, and for goodness sake, promote Harry. Sorry for the rant, I had a couple of adult beverages tonight.

[@macmcleod1188]

@@seeriktus "Star Trek discovery" ? Is that some kind of star trek legal term? If not, how do you discover Star Trek? Your words don't make sense. Anyway.. Enterprise had a great 4th season and some good episodes with vulcans and andorans. It was also apparently taken over by Dr. Who for an entire season that had almost nothing to do with Star Trek.

[@volbound1700]

@@petergreenwald9639 the problem with the Paramount+ Star Treks is that they aren't just horrible like the new Star Wars series (or most Star Wars) but they are not really great either. They just don't fit with the older Star Trek aesthetically and thematically. It is almost easier to consider them a separate series. Star Trek always seems to not live up to its potential though. Same issue as most IP, to many cooks in the kitchen.

[@kotlolish]

​@@seeriktus I think Strange New Worlds does a good job even with "time travel" It's quite enjoyable. And Lower Decks is actually pretty good if you know it's a comedy show made by Star Trek fans and nothing like "Let's make an adult comedy of a famous IP like Velma" Though Lower Decks does have some moments that makes me roll my eyes since "Haha comedy.. get it?" Discovery is a nah... it took almost 3 seasons to get going strong and even then I was like: "NAH" Picard ... only in it's final season did it show glimmers of hope and neat ideas.. but I rather scrape it from my memories... Prodigy is... not bad. I am mixed on it.. but it hasn't actively angered me ever unlike Picard and Discovery. So if anything.. Lower Decks is a check out unless you don't like comedy at all in Star Trek being the focus. Strange New Worlds is a great series that feels at home at TOS but I don't like the lightining in it.. but it's good story telling. Prodigy is not bad. Picard and Discovery are just awful and take too long to even hit the weakest episodes of Voyager.

[@Zeakthecat]

i didn't like vulcans of the ENT verse, but to be fair, it was before the federation and it was before vulcan society threw speciesism and extreme pride out the window. but will admit, for a enlightened race, they sure do remind me of certain elements of humanity that i care not to say here.

[@shivasirons6159]

Oh. Say it!

[@chrisloesch1870]

Really? You should watch the original star trek series all the way up to Voyager. They really didn't change all that much. And what elements of of humanity do you care not say here? I'm curious to here the "enlightened perspective" chuckles.

[@Zeakthecat]

@@chrisloesch1870 1. i know, ive watched literally all to voyager. they have improved so much as a race, i suspect due to the human element, that often is a middle ground. hell spock died for kirk in one movie, and then spock dies saving romulus, at least in prime timeline. 2. i rather not go into political and socioeconomic, as well as the many other factors that lead up to certain groups of humanity thinking that certain ideologies are better than others. it would be a essay comment before long and im not about to do that. suffice to say, if i had to put it into TL;DR terms, it would be this: because of many cultural, educational, socioeconomic, monetary, institutional and government factors, a group of SJWs wants control of the world, and all aspects, they got allies in the authoritarian left/communist left, as well as the parties that align with those people, and the globalists like klaus shwab, george soros, and others, to enact the change globally. these SJWs have been failures all their lives, and indoctrinated to such a degree that you can't change them to see the truth, and they are causing divides globally because of it.

[@chrisloesch1870]

@@Zeakthecat you may be surprised by this but I agree with you. Star Trek was always a series about being open minded to other possibilities and the wonder of exploration but the whole concept (and it’s not just Trek but other television series and Hollywood in general), has perverted this message into conformity it’s our way or else and if you don’t get in line we will crush you while calling you a bigot or fascist meanwhile they are behaving just like they are gaslighting. And yes Soros, klaus Schwab, the Bilderberg group, etc., are behind it all with the help of big tech, media, universities, and a certain political party.

[@comatoseps1382]

@@Zeakthecat It's pretty silly though to pretend that all ideologies have equal merit. Down that road lies meek or even purposeful acceptance of serial killers and jihad. Certain ideologies are quite clearly better than others, in almost any objective sense. We just have a hard time, as humans, figuring out the criteria to make those judgments. With most ideologies, it's too subjective and too murky to make the call.

[@fredwood1490]

I guess we Humans wouldn't recognize or appreciate the Vulcans keeping an eye on us for our own protection. We "Boldly go where no Man has gone before" and assume we can handle anything. This series proved otherwise. BUT, we did make it, with a little help from our Friends.

[@TheBongReyes]

I like, the fact, than eventually it’s Earth that becomes the dominate world in the quadrant. That Starfleet represents the main organization in what’s to become the Federation.

[@Bluebuthappy182]

All in all I think that went pretty well. How about we do it again tomorrow?

[@Rob8729]

What are the odds that they got the one Vulcan captain who flunked diplomacy 101.

[@dee-wreck]

God T'pol was the hottest star trek character of all time.

[@youtubehandlescostmemyusername]

Vanik: "Humans have never held much interest for me. I just like to watch."

[@darvennej4495]

Sort of a Vulcan ""Chauncey ''from ''Being There'' ,a voyeur more than a participant.

[@99goat99]

I used to think that ENTERPRISE was the weakest entry in the Star Trek franchise to that point, excluding the animated series... but ever since JJ Abrams and Alex Kurtzman took over, I miss this show more and more.

[@prestow]

0:14 The star ship Tumor

[@prestow]

0:28 Archer could answer: "We may look lost, but we won." That will make the vulcan captain refrain from initiating poor smalltalk to humans in the future.

[@NicolasMiari]

I watched TNG, DS9, VOY multiple times... Why did I never get into Enterprise?

[@chaseroberts3111]

"Humans have never held much interest for me" he sounds like a politician

[@JWS1968]

In Star Trek they never seem to take those overalls off. Minging. HAHAHA

[@pwnmeisterage]

It is a "primitive" space vessel. Limited capacities, limited reliabilities, barely equipped with the minimum essentials, few accommodations and luxuries. Like a WW2 submarine crew. Although, yes, you'd think the Captain and his officers would have formal dress available that they'd actually wear during formal/semiformal/special occasions like this dinner.

[@caveymoley]

"Humans have never held much interest for me." "And yet, quite curiously, you lurk around observing and no doubt recording our activities... "

[@DemonKingOFFICIAL]

It’s funny how the Vulcans claim they don’t have emotions. They seem to be petty and vengeful as fuck.