Vader's Thoughts if Obi-Wan NEVER Followed Padme to Mustafar REVEALED

[@Cobra-uy3jz]

Padme specifically stated that she was not going to be with him anymore...he was too far into the darkside...Padme tried multiple times to reason with anakin but it was clear palpatine's influence ran deeper than his love for Padme, each time rejecting her pleas for the darkside! Assume obi never shows up - are we to think that anakin would have just let padme leave him (like she said she was going to do?)? He had already rejected her and their child for the darkside. She announced it was over, that she wouldn't go. Honestly, I think ultimately, Anakin would have killed her instead of letting her leave him. The chances of padme deciding to go with Anakin (after she already said she could never and anakin was literally breaking her heart) and then them fighting Palpatine are WAY LESS than anaking killing padme on his own. IMHO. Great video! Thank you.

[@StarWarsLaDage]

Great point. I’m not sure she would go with Anakin at that point either. He had already done too much damage, especially killing everyone in the Jedi temple

[@IMGNFUN]

Guarantee if this played out he'd be like *If only Obi-Wan was there, to be a voice of reason, instead he abandoned me, like the rest.* -This provided he knew he survived the initial order 66.

[@Cobra-uy3jz]

@@IMGNFUN lol prob true!

[@samanthathrower8069]

I think if Anakin didn't kill the younglings she may have attempted to listen if given the opportunity; that part would be too much for anyone....at that point she saw a monster...imo

[@joelgoh1504]

She was actually pleading for him to come back even at the last moment before Obi Wan appeared. There is quite a high probability that he would listened if Obi Wan did not intervene.

[@bro4life693]

He just said he would “make” her understand…that’s maximum abuse coming from a guy who just killed all of his friends. He really was hypnotized by the dark side at that point. I can’t imagine that it would’ve gone “better” if Padmé kept talking to him. It would’ve been different for sure, but she would’ve been killed by Sheev anyway.

[@starcabal2006]

Vader on Mustafar never really control his arrogance when fighting Kenobi, but its sad that he could've listened which led him to lose his potential.

[@Z-q5q]

Vader actually would have won the fight if it didn't came to the high ground situation. Vader dominated the fight until that point,

[@AnxyTp]

@@Z-q5q Yeah Obi knew if the fight went on any longer he'd die. If you noticed ,Anakin was striking more fluently, slower but with harder hits that had Kenobi on the back pedal. When they clashed Kenobi was like "shit, I need to get an advantage or i'm toast" so he leapt to the hill which of course won him the fight

[@illuminatedperspectives2894]

HE DECIDED TO FIGHT OBI WAN BEFORE HE WAS READY.

[@barcabocalda2583]

Sad because the Jedi council never bothered listening to him as well Which their arrogance and their political loving asses lead them to their down fall

[@hassanmasood186]

As Anakin he would’ve lived on Naboo, too bad as Vader he chose to live on Mustafar

[@Chinachik]

This is sort of why I wish they'd do some animated 'What If' scenarios for Star Wars the way Marvel did. It would be so interesting to see how canon could be twisted into different circumstances with different outcomes than what is known in the films. I'd much rather see something like this than more series and films tearing down already established and well-loved characters.

[@DeffNinja]

I second this.

[@whyshouldi9786]

Star Wars sequels are the what if of Star Wars

[@refracc]

@@whyshouldi9786”What if we made all the wrong choices in making a new set of sequel movies.”

[@illuminatedperspectives2894]

HE DECIDED TO FIGHT OBI WAN BEFORE HE WAS READY.

[@Chinachik]

@@whyshouldi9786 Exactly! What if Han Solo was a deadbeat dad...what if he and Leia's son was a darkside user who killed all of his Uncle Luke's younglings...what if Luke just ran away and abandoned his sister after already losing her son...what if Leia could force fly...etc. You're so right. Disney threw away hundreds of millions to film 3 really bad compilations of even worse what if scenarios.

[@ymcdahl2060]

Hey Theory. I recently lost my mom and she always loved Star Wars so much. I would always play your videos breaking down the mandolorian for her. Just wanted to thank you for all the amazing Star Wars content you put out. I love it. And she did too. ❤️

[@robertsavageau]

I'm sorry for your loss, may she rest in peace.

[@NickBergOne]

I love the plan to have more classic content on the channel! I like the new stuff as well, but to me this is the heart of Star Wars Theory.

[@Lukman_AFC]

I don't think Padme was going to forgive all and just go with Anakin. Also, Anakin wasn't going to stop now because, remember he's doing it for her, to keep her alive. He really believes its the only way to "save her" even though she tried to convince him she'll be fine earlier in the movie. Without Obi, I think neither will budge, Anakin lashes out due to the dark side and somehow kills her unintentionally.

[@rigby_rich3650]

I don’t think padme would ever side with Anakin after what he had done, there was no convincing her, she was a good person and he was a monster.

[@Chinachik]

I have to agree. She stayed with him after he slaughtered the Tusken Raiders because she was able to justify it because of his rage after what had happened to his mother. I doubt she would ever be able to still feel that kind of love and trust in him after slaying all the younglings and Jedi who looked to him as a comrade and leader. Particularly as she’s becoming a mother and him a father. I don’t think she would’ve wanted their children anywhere near Anakin.

[@onlyacomentarynothingspeci2419]

​​​@@Chinachiksure thats why shes kissing him tells Obi Wan theres still good in him after theire fight and leave with her on Mustafar telling him she loves him And her marrying him despite killing all those Tuskens is definetly not a dead giveaway that she has her own issues What are you basing this on?

[@Chinachik]

@@onlyacomentarynothingspeci2419 I’m basing it on the movies I watched and my opinion of the characters I saw in them. You, however, are entitled to your own opinions about them.

[@darryl.spivey]

The part where he says "I would have *made* her listen" doesn't indicate he had any control of the situation at all. It indicates that he would have forced her to see things his way and that was the only way. So even had Obi-Wan Kenobi not shown up; things still would have went south between he and Padme because her ideals and what she stood in her political role were completely against what Anakin was striving for with this nee tyrannical empire. Simply put, Bro was too far gone to see that.

[@samanthathrower8069]

I agree....him 'making her listen' implies he will do whatever to make her see things his way.

[@InfernoScorpion14]

To be fair, that is Vader thinking in hindsight, not in the moment.

[@protalghulnist4126]

​@@InfernoScorpion14If anything that just works against this whole argument, through Vader's rose tinted glasses things would've been better if obi-wan hadn't showed up, in reality had obi-wan not showed up Anakin would've most likely choked her out anyway, and finished the job this time.

[@darryl.spivey]

@@InfernoScorpion14 it doesn't matter if it's on hindsight or in the moment; the fact is os that Padme was completely against any notion of anything other than a republic. The result would have been the same either way.

[@darryl.spivey]

@@protalghulnist4126 exactly!

[@rafz9147]

Even in her dying breath she truly belived that there was good in anakin, She even pleaded with obi wan that there was good still going in him

[@robertsavageau]

Same with Qui Gon, in fact the only people who still believed there was good in Darth Vader and that one day Darth Vader could become Anakin Skywalker once again were Qui Gon, Padme, and decades later Luke.

[@Max25670]

@@robertsavageau That's why Obi Wan tells Anakin that he failed him as a master.

[@robertsavageau]

@@Max25670 Exactly.

[@daylanbrawley631]

I think that Padme was a few syllables away from her husband force-choking her out on a volcano planet whether or not Obi showed up 😬🤷🏾‍♂️

[@cryptic-lo1bf]

Ha Ha ....Ha Harder Ani

[@remdowers6765]

@@cryptic-lo1bf 😈

[@ThesonofAJR_edits]

Obi wan told me this Obi wan told me that Obi wan appears in her ship Anakin Skywalker: "Your with him you brought him here to kill me" Padme Amidala: No no no I love you *Anakin Skywalker force choke Padme* Anakin Skywalker: Liar Obi wan Kenobi: Let her go Anakin

[@ribottostudio]

I think by the time that Anakin got to Mustafar he was too far gone. And even before that, even in the Clone Wars Anakin honestly had a TON of red flags as a partner. I like to think he'd have been a good father, cause Ahsoka Tano is proof that he can raise someone to be better than he was, but there were still signs of him being possessive of her as well as controlling. And my BIG red flag for Anakin as a partner, is the Clovis arc. Anakin, despite Padme protesting, BEGGING him to stop, attacks Clovis, was ready to murder him with his saber, and nearly beats him to death with his own hands. Not to mention, during the fight he shouts at her "YOU DON'T HAVE A SAY IN THIS." Listen if ANYONE ever told you that, then you just need to DIP. Sure he was horrified at his actions later, but Padme herself stated "I don't even know who you are anymore." after too. She was seeing the signs, then too. I think honestly, though it pains me to say it, Anakin is the "if I can't have you no one will" type. Because his abandonment issues were never properly addressed, he can't stand the thought of losing those close to him (Ahsoka, Rex, Obi-Wan, Padme). And that can lead him to obviously take drastic actions to keep them protected.

[@BitigoBlack]

This goes back to Theory's point that Jedi institution had failed him.

[@ЯрославЯковлев-ш8х]

Anakin certainly lost his temper when he saw clovis nearly kissing his wife. But what would be better? Him leaving without a word? He really loved Padme, after all its to "save" her Anni betrayed jesi and. even killed younglings.

[@kingtrentinius659]

@@ЯрославЯковлев-ш8хyea Clovis kept trying to pressure her into a relationship. That ass beating was well deserved

[@ribottostudio]

@@kingtrentinius659 It was but PADME is just as capable as having her own agency. The fact that ANAKIN told her she didn't have a say during the fight is just as bad as pushing yourself on someone. BECAUSE YOU ARE pushing yourself on someone and backing them into a corner. Clovis didn't know the meaning of the word NO, but had Anakin not come in right then, she probably just would've one kicked his ass and two called the guards.

[@kingtrentinius659]

@@ribottostudio so if your significant other walked in the house saw you and someone else about to kiss with no context. You expect him to be rational, especially when he’s admitted to you that he does not like that certain person. Anakin didn’t just say “ you don’t have a say in this.” for no reason. Then Clovis mid- fight says “ thought y’all didn’t have romantic feelings for eachother.” Which made it worse. Like you’re leaving out a whole bunch of context with this example. We as the audience knew exactly what was going on. From anakins point of view it would just look like she was about to cheat on him/ him forcing her into something. Bad timing led to that situation not being a bad partner. Also it’s his house lol, so why is the argument “ if he never went in a room of his own property. He lives there, so that’s a goofy argument Also his attachments issue is addressed multiple times by people… then instead of putting him in a situation to learn proper coping mechanisms. They pretend to off his Master to get an angry reaction from him, basically tell him to let Ashoka die when there’s still a chance she could be saved, ask him to spy on a father figure even though the council knows it’s wrong, tries to pin a crime on his padawan they know she didn’t commit, and the biggest catalyst was his mothers death. Which no doubt gave him PTSD about his visions going into episode 3, since in episode 2 you’re told he had the visions for about a month and wanted to save her. Instead he was not permitted and she died. Exactly the reason why palpatine was so easily able to manipulate anakin to his side.

[@ralathasnir4987]

I hadn't thought of some of the points you made, like if Obi-Wan had just let Anakin speak what was on his mind, maybe Obi-Wan could've swade him back to the light side. I haven't read any of the books, so I would never had guessed that Anakin was still himself to a degree even after all of the killing. If he and Padme had tried to overthrow the Emperor, that would've made for a very heated and crazy battle. It's crazy to think about really.

[@Viothon]

My take is that Anakin's finale turning point was before going to meet Mace Windu in Palpatine's office. The music when he is in the Jedi council room is so different from what is in a Star Wars film, yet it has echoes of the ROTJ finale battle when Luke starts unleashing anger on Vader. Music gives us clues as to what is going on, the first turn to the dark side test ritual was Anakin killing Count Dooku, he passes it, the next is in the opera house when Palpatine tells Anakin about Darth Plagueis and keeping people from dying, again we get this hum chanting music, the air dancers also look like they are sperm penetrating an egg, are thy giving birth to Darth Vader? Anakin gets OCD about this and starts to see a path using the Dark side to expand his powers from keeping Padme from death, like his mother. I would also argue that Mace WIndu had a lot to do with why Ankain turned on the Jedi and in that could be the real trigger for the rise of Darth Sidious. Mace Windu seems to get overlooked a lot in being the person that triggered the rise of the Empire and the death of the old Jedi order. Its Ironic that Mace Windu in wanting to prevent the fall of the Jedi, may have triggered it with his distrust of Anakin. I think that had Mace Windu first let Anakin on the council as a Jedi master and then said lets go take Palpatine down together, Anakin would not have had that final moment of debate and it would have offended Anakin's internal code of loyalty to ever let harm happen to Mace Windu. Also Mace Windu did a disservice going into that chamber without Anakin, to those poor other Jedi with him, not knowing what kind of powers this Sith Lord had. No I have a lot of problems with Mace Windu and he was like this from the start with Anakin, first thing he says is the boy is to old to take Jedi training, that is a lie, we know that is a lie from the traditions of others who come in later into training. Yoda, Mace Windu and Obi Wan form this triumvirate of Jedi power around Anakin that unfortunately as much as Yoda I think meant well ended up turning Anakin to the dark side in the end, for nothing other then not ranging in Mace Windu's egotistical ideology, and people can spin around it forever but at the end of the day Mace Windu is egotistical about the force. Ahsoka Tano's trial clearly was his deciding vote expelling her, exposing the fall of the Order from within, I think after that Anakin lost respect for the council and looked at Yoda, Mace Windu and Obi Wan as tainted.

[@Grigsy]

Anakin’s fate was sealed not at one specific moment in time, but dozens of times throughout his life. The Clone Wars and the trauma it caused ensured Palpatine would have a fearful and angry apprentice.

[@robertsavageau]

Anakin was doomed to become Darth Vader the moment Qui Gon was physically slain by Darth Maul hence why the lightsaber duel between Qui Gon and Obi Wan vs Darth Maul is called "Duel Of The Fates" it's the fate of Anakin.

[@EumelaninKnight]

Hard to imagine Palpatine NOT taking the kids hostage to control the couple.

[@LungMing23]

I'm loving this old school classic Theory content man. Back to the roots!

[@ace360]

Easley One of my favorites The Dark Lord Trilogy and this one "Dark Lord Rise of Lord Vader"🔥🌋 Awesome video General Theory

[@LadyKhiaani]

"only a sith deals in absolutes" he says as an absolute

[@livjohansson-morrison4682]

It’s definitely interesting to picture our own visions of what could have been especially when we have source material to help us create the vision

[@Ghostface64385]

Yeah you right and the reason why i became a star wars fan is because of my big brother when i was 7 he showed me all the films and tell me about it now i know everything i'm now 16 year old boy i love him so much

[@commandocommander4041]

I read this book when I was a kid! It was so great, one of my favorites. I loved Darth Vader's perspective of everything. The interaction with the tusken as a kid was real interesting. I read the book twice over!

[@sbkeel5639]

Obi-Wan didn't notice that Anakin had married Padme after Geonosis or that Padme was pregnant with his child if he had then maybe Anakin would have confided in Obi-Wan and his fears would not have piled up until siding with Palpatine seemed like the only way to save Padme. Yoda also failed Anakin by telling him he should accept that he may not be able to change the future he foresaw of someone he cared about dying. Interestingly Yoda later made that same mistake with Luke since Yoda was only looking at the bigger picture of galactic peace so much that he did not understand the emotions of those who had people they cared about enough to risk not only their own lives but the fate of the galaxy on. Sort of like how Nico Robin turned herself over to CP9 because as long as the other 6 Straw Hats she loved were safe she did not care that it might cause the world to be destroyed... But I think Mace Windu was the worst since he openly said he did not trust Anakin and left him out of the arrest of Palpatine. If Anakin had arrived then maybe some of the other Jedi would have survived and they could have persuded Mace to arrest Palpatine instead of executing him which is what made Anakin panic and lash out against Mace. Well Mace should have stopped and called Yoda and the rest of the council as soon as he got Anakin's report about Palpatine being a Sith instead of rushing off but that is another story... Anyway the Jedi leaders really did fail Anakin in one way or another. But Palpatine was counting on those mistakes and took advantage of them to twist Anakin's heart. It is a sad story we all should learn from!

[@jjjoniec]

Really enjoy your videos, man… keep up the good work!!

[@paulloughlin3732]

Man, Luceno's books are amazing. I also love Tarkin as well, and it's such a shame that he and the rest of the Lucas era writers have been replaced by Disney writers.

[@survivingtheredpill7126]

I’ve always wondered if someone else showed up with Padme…more specifically, what if Ashoka came to talk to Anakin? Not a threat and another person he felt like he needed to protect. Especially with knowing about order 66.

[@brandrider1989]

Ashoka didn’t exist when the prequel trilogy was made . She’s not in true Star Wars cannon she was created by Disney and is in Disney’s cannon which we all know is garbage

[@jermonejackson8437]

Bro ashoka wasn't created by Disney she was created before them 😂 by George Lucas and filoni ass dude

[@JJ-ds2uf]

Please what Anakin thought about Palpatine before becoming Vader. As you already spoke about it in the first half of the video, this was to me personally very interesting how Anakin did not ignore the fact that Palps manipulated him so much!

[@JakeMcBoss]

We’re gonna need a “What if Padme & Anakin rebuilt the galaxy after ROTS” fan fiction, Theory 👍

[@SoySauceMMA]

Great vid. Always so many theorys on what could have happened with Anakin. I’m going to have to read that book. Excited for the next video. ❤ may the force be with you

[@kronosaur417]

An alternate version of the mustafar dual I thought up, goes as such…. Everything would play out as it had originally, right up till the end, either Anakin defeats his former master, or Obi-Wan is able to talk some sense into his former pupil, either way, Anakin would return to Padme only to discover that she was dying, this happens just as Sidious arrives in his shuttle, in desperation Anakin would beg him to help him find a way yo save her life, they return to Coruscant where the imperial medical droids would essentially relay the same information to the two Sith as the Polis Massa medical droid would have told to the two Jedi. Padme would give birth to the twins and die in Anakin’s arms, telling him that she could still feel the good in him before darkness took her. However Palpentine is ecstatic at the prospect of the two new Skywalker children and their potential, and for a brief moment he lets his guard down, and in that brief moment, Anakin strikes, sending his blue blade through his masters back, and as Sidious stares in shock at the lightsaber protruding from his chest, Anakin pulls him close and whispers in his ear, “That’s for lying”. He then removes the saber and uses it to chop of his former masters head. Many years later, the Galactic Empire reigns across the galaxy bringing hope and peace to all its citizens, all under the watchful eye of Emperor Vader, his twin children, now fully trained imperial knights, lead to grand army of the empire to crush oppression and evil wherever it may rise. Princess Leia is set to marry an imperial captain named Han Solo, Prince Luke has vanquished the former Sith Lord Maul and his shadow collective. And far away on a distant world, designated as a safe haven for Jedi survivors, Yoda, Ahsoka, (Possibly Obi Wan) and many other Jedi, work together to rebuild their fallen order, and return to their roots, as peacekeepers, not soldiers.

[@xReMi13x]

anakins arrogance was a product of the jedi orders mishandling of his training.

[@littleblizzard7591]

There’s a super interesting Anakin/Vader analysis on the channel Cinema Therapy. A film maker and a therapist discuss movies and characters and in an episode they discuss Anakin and his upbringing and how he became Vader, what could have been done differently to save him. Y’all might find it interesting!

[@Aluhcav]

I've always said, that Yoda gave into fear around Anakin. Yoda had always feared that something might happen, even if he accepted it. But Yoda was also the head of the Jedi council, and was the one that would spear head many things, and decisions, that lead to Anakin almost being looked down on by the rest of them. That, and Anakin, as the chosen one, was to bring a new way of the force to the Jedi, and I must point out, that it had a lot to do about relationships, and yet Yoda, and many other Jedi, were clinging onto the old ways, and didn't want to let go, which could've caused a slight civil war amongst the Jedi, but either way, the Jedi council went down the path of the dark side, but excluding Anakin, and there for, creating there own demise.

[@nyx8823]

I mean... That's what he THINKS would happen, but...

[@michaelkarriem5132]

There’s needs to be a 2hr what if movie, what if Anikan never went to the dark side but instead went undercover and pretended to be on palpatines side, stay on the dark side till the time was right and let him reach his ultimate form killing a trace of the, raised his children, stayed with his wife and give him the best what if situation, every Star Wars fan want this

[@macwelch8599]

It would’ve been cool if Revenge of the Sith had a “bad ending”, where Anakin manages to kill Obi-Wan and takes Padme into Imperial custody I know the game had a similar ending, I’m talking about the movie

[@robertsavageau]

If that were the case A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return Of The Jedi would be very different.

[@InfiniteNaos]

Though Vader thought that Anakin would’ve been able to convince Padme that overthrowing Sidious would’ve been possible if he had the time, extra training, and patience. Yet, I believe the reverse could’ve happened also. Padme could’ve helped turned Anakin back to the light for the sake of her and her children. That power isn’t everything and only brings pain. Yes Anakin was ultimately destined to be as powerful as he could’ve been, but his purpose was what needed to be done. Why I think Anakin would’ve turned to the light with Padme’s help is based around what Luke had done for him in ROTJ. His love for his father helped bring Anakin back to the light even if it was only for the last few moments. Padme would’ve done the same thing in this moment if she had not mentioned Obiwan’s name and just kept trying to speak to Anakin’s heart, not his brain or ego.

[@Gor85]

I don't know how it would end. It's chilling that he would make her understand. He would probably choke her. But your theory is pretty good too. Anakin would destroy the Emperor in a year. Or few months. If Padme was with him. I think Anakin wouldn't let Luke and Lea turn to dark side. I agree,it's nice to hear characters monologue's about the events. I think Obi-Wan could do better during their duel. Instead of saying"well then you are lost",like you said in a video few years ago. It was pretty good. May the Force be with you too. Always :)

[@AnxyTp]

A live action What if series would be so good for star wars, if done right. The possibilities with Anakin and his story is endless and other cool short what ifs would be cool too

[@robertsavageau]

It would probably be cheaper and easier to do it animated since then they could get most of the original cast back from both the prequel and original trilogies (sequels aren't canon in my mind) and not have to worry about certain things like shooting schedules or sets etc.

[@babysinclairfan]

It's absolutely wild to think that all of this could've been avoided if Obi Wan just chilled on the ship for 5 more minutes.

[@moviemix9351]

People give Anakin way too much slack, he was responsible for his own actions.

[@jonasdrake211]

Because he is a human like us we all make mistakes so we can relate

[@itsyouuu3152]

@@jonasdrake211 mistakes dont include killing 10 thousands people and even more

[@tylersheridan8376]

@@jonasdrake211 not those kind of mistakes bro.. he’s evil.. no ifs ands or buts

[@griffinkeiser2014]

Another great vid as always Lord Theory 🙌🏻

[@hunterkiller1440]

"It's all Obi Wan's fault!"

[@spencertaylor-mrliltay]

I think it’s fair to say I’m addicted to a specific Star Wars theory or “what if” that being What if Qui Gon won the Dual of the Fates, and trained Anakin! Sometimes I wish I could magically turn my imagination of that what if into movies! I seriously think Anakin would’ve fulfilled his destiny and become insanely powerful and have a happier ending.

[@nissanzenkiboy]

I think there was still time for him to return to the light. Kinda like Cal embracing his darkness but he had his friends help him stay in the light and being able to control the darkness for a power bump, just like how Merrin saved Cal in the end so could have padme.

[@SuntoryKick]

Even before Anakin goes to the dark side he shows that he would not be someone you want ruling the Galaxy. He says that he would force people to share his views and implies he would be totalitarian.

[@r2-d2mcfancypants49]

Doubt you’ll see this but I’m curious as to how powerful palpatine would be if he was in the light side. Would be a cool video.

[@johnhorton4436]

If Anakin Skywalker had the Patience and Knowledge that mechanical darth Vader had he'd probably be stronger than Palpatine

[@justinanderson2460]

I like the little idea at the end of the Emperor rocking up and seeing Anakin and Obi-Wan talking. Palpatine has a lot of options here but doing something to Padmé is the WORST idea I could imagine. You want Anakin to go God Mode? Hurt his wife. I don't care how powerful the Emperor is. In that moment, with that amount of rage and conviction (especially with him just having embraced the idea of dark side amp), his power would skyrocket and he'd rip the Emperor apart.

[@proxyfilms]

if Obi-wan hadn't followed padme to Mustafar, Anikan still would've probably end up without his limbs(if he ever found and faced obi-wan), but he would still have his skin still attached to his body. Padme would still be alive temporarily, then Palpatine would use the force to kill her, and Anikan would eventually find out Palpatine did it, leading to Theory's "Vader's Past" dream scene to become reality. and thats Vaders thoughts of the situation in a nutshell...😂

[@Ragnar_5522]

Is anyone else still recovering from Jedi Survivor? Lol, it felt so long but at the same time so short. I hope we won't have to wait too long for the 3rd game.

[@storyteller618]

Bro we need a Star Wars vision episode if everything went different with Aniken and Obi-Wan.Showing full potential Aniken

[@scottjuhnke6825]

Padme would never have been convinced. He killed younglings. For Padme, I don't think this was something she could ever forgive him for. Anakin was too far gone by the interaction on Mustafar. She would have denied him, even if Obi-Wan doesn't show up, she's dead. It might have taken him longer, but, sooner, rather than later, she would have made to leave, and he would have killed her all the same.

[@DarthRoo]

I really enjoyed this video! It’s always interesting to hear what might have been with Anakin and Padame. I personally don’t think that Padame would have joined Anakin, because she was in tears over what he had done.

[@robbiewatson3525]

I agree with Plagueis being #1❤️ Then ROTS #2 Then Darth Bane or Heir to the Empire for the tiebreaker at #3

[@jordanharirchi4604]

LMFAO at the thought of Padme “nagging” Anakin 😂😂😂

[@lalalala666]

Question/curiosity: since in the present Canon Vader is able to take off his suit of armor and also allowed to tinker at it (as per comics), how come he didn't "ground" his suit or made it more resistant to lightning - didn't he have the tech knowledge or did the Emperor pull a tech limit/nono on how much he can inprove it? Also, how come before ep. 6 he didn't simply parry the Emperor's force lightning with the blade of the lightsaber, Obi-Wan style?

[@vizioncs505]

Even the potential of padme surviving and palpatine utilising this in some way to manipulate anakin would probably unleash anakins full rage and potential. I feel like even the emperor would be scared to meddle with padme or using her against him. If anakin were to fully submerge into the darkside which he probably would I dont think the emperor stands a chance.

[@trystanweir745]

I think regarding the emperor trying to turn his kids to the dark side, within that 6 months to a year of anakin training and reaching that level 10, the kids wouldn’t be old enough to manipulate or turn, I think this issue would sort of solve itself before the emperor would get the chance of anakin did indeed hit that level in that period of time

[@XxAzureNekoxX]

You’ve done this particular video topic 100 times

[@jillybee1840]

Now I wanna see some sort of 3d animation or even fan film about this where in the end Anakin defeats the emperor and goes to live with Padme on Naboo.

[@jj-po2qy]

Great Video! Even if Anakin destroyed the Emperor shortly after the events of episode 3 how would he have taken over the universe as emperor? Palpatine needed the Senate for 20 years so he could build a death star. Anakin possessed none of the finesse that Papaltine did when it came to politics (especially so soon after ROS). Yes Anakin would have been the most powerful being in the force but you need more than that otherwise Palpatine would have disbanded the senate right away and reigned the way he did in episodes 4 through 6.

[@stephanwalters5963]

Great video theory🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 loved it🥳🥳🥳🥳🔥🔥

[@KropzUncensored]

What's interesting is Anakin fell to the dark side to save Padme , and him doing that ultimately killed her. The stress of it all finished her. If Anakin teamed up with Mace and killed Palpatine its possible she would of lived.

[@robertsavageau]

Or if Mace had just listened to Anakin and arrested Palpatine/Sideous things might have been different.

[@KropzUncensored]

@@robertsavageau Yeah for sure i have thought about that but i don't think Sideous would allow himself to be arrested. Plus Anakin was convinced he needed Palpatine to learn how to prevent Padme from death. If Anakin let mace arrest him how would he learn this new power? I see Anakin as very conflicted, he wanted to do the right thing by tuning Palpatine in to the authorities but also couldn't live with himself if he didn't prevent padme from death, and he thought he could only do that through Sideous. In the clone wars when his mother died he said he wasn't strong enough to save her, he vowed never to let that happen again.

[@robertsavageau]

@@KropzUncensored I agree, thought if Palpatine were to have been arrested Anakin either could have visited him in person on occasion to learn from him or since Anakin most likely would have helped Mace arrest Palpatine then Mace most likely would have granted him the rank of master not long after and then Anakin wouldn't need to talk to Palpatine about how to save Padme since he would have access to the restricted section of the Jedi archive and could learn the information he needed that way, plus I think it was possible that Palpatine was manipulating Anakin's versions of the future/Padme dying in childbirth as to push him even closer to the dark side and making him even more desperate and paranoid.

[@KropzUncensored]

@@robertsavageauI'm not sure the Jedi would let Anakin visit Sideous in prison knowing that he was trying to use him to create distrust in the Jedi. But as soon as Padme birthed the children he would know that she wouldn't died in childbirth and he doesn't need to learn this power from Sideous. I think you're right about Palpatine manipulating Anakin's versions, I'm not 100% sure if its canon but that fear off loss is what drove Anakin to the dark side. He was definitely desperate and paranoid, but mace could of sat him down and explained that he's being manipulated by Palpatine because of his power rather than dismissing him and asking him to wait in the room like a child. Another thing is that order 66 haven't happened before Mace went to arrest Sideous. He should of came with like 30 troopers and more Jedi to make sure they capture the Sith Lord. This shows the arrogance of the Jedi and overconfidence.

[@robertsavageau]

@@KropzUncensored Exactly The Jedi Order at this time was arrogant and ridged, they had lost their way and what purpose they were suppost to serve which is to follow the Living Force instead of following the Senate, only Qui Gon Jinn and Dooku knew this and once Qui Gon was physically slain by Darth Maul Anakin lost the one Jedi who could have saved/prevented him from becoming Darth Vader, hence Duel Of The Fates = The Fate Of Anakin Skywalker.

[@daddyjosh9931]

Great vid

[@zarfies23]

Great video I want to see more videos like this! I think why I disagree with your take is I cannot see Padmae being a dictator, also I cannot see Palpatine allowing her to live knowing Anakins feelings for her AND her loyalty for the republic. If OWK never shows up I think it plays out exactly the same.

[@robertagu5533]

I wonder if Anakin woulda been less a Vader an closer to a Revan type had he been a Emperor Anakin Skywalker or the "heir apparent". Thing is it would've required some craftiness on Padmes part. Kinda what Dooku set out to do with Palpatine at first. Even in the scenario where Obi Wan succeeds, even briefly, in talking sense into Anakin. Which woulda been especially hard seeing as Anakin DELIBERATELY tried to use the diplomatic talk it through approach instead of the saber when Mace died.. just for once.. an since we all know how THAT went putting them there... Good like to Kenobi in that scenario. He'd have his work cut out for him. Even in the event THAT worked what are the odds Kenobi would been much more then a target for lighting.. we saw.. ALMOST a cliche what a lighting rod he typically wound up as when they went against Dooku. Whom might've easily been deliberately trying to NOT maim or kill them. Though he had them dead to rights God knows how much in the movie trilogy alone... Sideous would been so merciful. Even if Jedi-sorta redeemed Anakin unlocked barely enough to beat the Dark Lord. Odds of surviving wouldn't be too good for Obi Wan, whom granted what we know of how Palpatine felt about him woulda been all the MORE enraged that Ben would dare lift a blade to him AND think could handle him too AND AND turning his aimed prize even temporarily against HIM... IF Kenobi survived it'd been just barely an probably been on the threshold of Death before Anakin finished him. In something I imagine would been similar to when he did it to Palpatine saving his son Luke

[@Zamasu_EDTZ]

Great Vid Theory

[@standoutsteel023]

so old school swt i love it.

[@Admiral_99]

Please do more of these, they are few and far between

[@quinnaguirre6937]

Love both of those books! ❤ Luceno is amazing!!

[@Ghostface64385]

Yeah man and the reason why i became a star wars fan is because of my big brother when i was 7 he showed me all the films and talk about it now i know everything i'm now a 16 year old boy i have the best big brother ever sometimes i called our selfs the star wars brothers and we still are i love him so much he is proud to have a little brother we having a good sibling bond

[@bigchungusfungus]

Vader force clapped them cheeks

[@LukeplaysTV]

nice vid theory, i swear if i knew you we could talk for hours about this stuff

[@JCatl3y]

I listened to the Plagueis audiobook. Loved it! It really makes me want to see him in Tales of the Jedi/ Sith.

[@JCatl3y]

Or what would be really cool is if the Bad Batch discover recordings of Plagueis or even clones in tanks or something on Mt Tantis in season 3

[@n0byll]

Yoda never really seemed to show the same kindness to Anakin as he did to Luke. The Jedi fumbled Anakin, if he was a special case, he should have obviously been treated as one. The same rules didn't apply to him, the council should have known this.

[@affebanane3039]

Anakin would have betrayed Sidious If Kenobi never showed up. I believe his power would have grown super fast and at one point they would fight. But I still think Sidious would win the strat game and Anakin the power game. Whatever comes first will decide the winner

[@evancoffland19]

I get the feeling that his life would’ve been a lot simpler if he would’ve just quit the order.

[@coreymckee4844]

Palps would have corrupted him even easier if he quit. If he quit he would be even more vulnerable. Nothing would change much.

[@xxwales15xx33]

​@Corey Mckee I agree, unless Anakin went into hiding (which isn't in his character) then he would be corrupted by palpatine a lot quicker and easier. Having a young Vader with experience in the dark side would be a disaster for the Jedi and Galaxy

[@lordofpain3476]

Don't be naive , the jedi were fully responsible for Anakin's ascension to the dark side . They completely warped his mind . What kind of idiots tell a 10 year old former slave that he is the chosen one and not expect him to be arrogant ? The jedi locking children away in a ivory tower , then sending them out to war ( while they are still children ) is a easy way to set them up for a fall . The jedi were JUST as responsible for what happened as Palpatine was , if not more .

[@Benjosef406]

Crazy cause anakin was only 23 in episode 3 not reaching his full potential- and had not reached his prime - the way it happened with him losing to kenobi was part of his destiny and his arch to redeem himself so I love that but also think it’s interesting to learn what alternatives he could have had

[@twincesseszeigler4366]

He was 22 actually.

[@TheAtomicTexan]

I have like a million Star Wars stories in my head. I love making up stories that fit in Legends.

[@DeltaWhiskeyGames]

“Obi Wan could have reasoned with him instead of being so dogmatic”… Be real. Kenobi had just watched the CCTV footage of Anakin murdering children in cold blood. There was no going back.

[@imortalones]

Nice. For a part 2 what if padme became emperor? Darth Vader could put her there.

[@imortalones]

Obi dead, Palpatine dead, Soraka dead, Yoda dead, Jaba dead. With Padme survive secrets learned.

[@MrProblembarn]

They generate irritation witch generate anger, so hate, then maybe wicked, and so evil and the dark side of the force.

[@pianoman9421]

I'm as big a Vader fan as you are, but he was completely out of control at this point. Padme's refusal to join him would've enraged him. His use of violence against her is a corruption of everything he thought he was--the dark side had twisted him beyond recognition, as Yoda observed. I suspect he might have tried to use the Force to control her, and Padme would've resisted--one way or another, Anakin's life was going to end in tragedy the moment he embraced the dark side.

[@Starwarsfearsome]

James Luceno is an amazing Author and I love both of those books!

[@BabyGollum]

You literally see it in the movie, he's talking delusions with padme but he's def himself. the second he see's Obi he chokes her and then goes Vadar

[@KyleCasey-vp8gu]

Padme would have 100% gone with Anakin if Obi didn’t show up. Her stating that Anakin is going down a path she can’t follow is only her stating that she won’t turn to the dark side. She stated before she died that there’s still good in him, so she would have gone with him to revert him from the dark. The idea of her not going down that path isn’t mutually exclusive to the idea that she wouldn’t go with him. I think all the people stating that she wouldn’t go with him are totally misreading the situation.

[@santiagoconan]

If Obi-Wan had actually put some effort into his talk no jutsu... he gave up on Anakin quite fast, and his first speech to him were more like self convincing that he had to kill him instead of trying to avoid having to do it

[@alexalbro9810]

Theory, are your episodes going to come back to Spotify soon? That's my main listening place so just curious

[@happyputt9709]

Anakin.. I'll have a crack at it

[@Xmetalfanx]

I dont care what anyone says ... I still say that EVENTUALLY Padme could have brought Anakin back to his senses. 2:20 good point ... this is my issue with the movies ... it seemed like Anakin just became a dumbass or something and as soon as he "killed" Mace he just became evil .... even AT the Temple it seems like Anakin (even if say 25% Anakin / 75% Vader) would have been "internally" fighting Vader ... i mean killing the younglins is not like Vader. 4:30 (close enough) I'D LOVE to see a fan fiction like that from you. ... where he's sort of still "Dark Anakin" (granted Sidious would still try to kill Padme) then Vader.

[@Xmetalfanx]

6:20 yeah .... Anakin would have reacted TOO SOON to protect his family .... also "what would happen in this timeline with maybe Obi Won, or Yoda talking in secret to ...(yes i know not in the movies) Ahsoka and she'd talk to Padme giving Anakin like advice in secret or something.

[@Xmetalfanx]

I could totally see Mustafar going different (forgot original Trilogy plot armor) ... Obi Won not wanting to beleive this is his brother trys to talk Anakin back to his senses ...maybe even agreeing "yeah the Jedi are doing is WRONG AND NEEDS TO STOP" .... then Sidious shows up and harms/kills Padme ... Before Sidious ... Anakin comes back (from being Vader) but then at Padme being hurt/killed LOSES IT and goes DEEP into the dark side. Sidious vs Sith Anakin vs Obi Won who is trying to kill Sidious BUT ALSO bringing back Anakin, knowing if he goes too far to the dark side, even if Anakin kills SIdious ... "it will still be too late" for Anakin (so to speak) ... .emotional and physical fighting between the three

[@Xmetalfanx]

and honestly i think forgetting the movies and "Ahsoka didn't exist then" (character wise) ... Ahsoka AND Padme together could have brought him back to the light in my mind. In my mind i still (I have NOT read the novelisation) say there should have been more "no this is wrong" conflict in him after what happened to Mace. Vader wasn't totally evil at that point. WIth all the issues @ the Jedi ... he'd not go full evil and could have been talked back to the light by his wife and in a sense his little sister .

[@willverschneider1102]

I got one for you: "What if Tim Burton directed a Star Wars film?"

[@jared5472]

Even if the events of mustafar didn’t unfold. Anakin was screwed. Palpatine wouldn’t of given skywalker the chance to overthrow him. To quote the force unleashed, “as long as she lives, you are mine”

[@Luciferrustynut662]

I actually have a question that there is no answer to so far Who had the more dominant genes that caused Anakin to spawn twins Or was it patamae And why laya didn't have twins

[@s.j.rogers129]

Have you ever considered reading the books on audio complete with you doing the voice acting? People would so pay for that. The evolution of Palpatine's voice and tenor would be fuckin sick. Like if his Sidious voice comes out while choking Plagius.

[@barryauguste9734]

Anniken could have spent time delving into Darth Plaguis' research re immortality. Or maybe he could have took steps to clone Padme.... the tech was available - the Kaminoans could have done it for him.

[@otterthewise]

I dig the thumbnail

[@tonygawk-d1b]

what if Obi-Wan didn’t look into the security hologram? And what would’ve been the result if, rather than going after Anakin, Obi Wan and Yoda tag-teamed Sideous?

[@theSith333]

Kind of off topic. So I re-watched Revenge of the Sith in Japanese and now I'm wishing for a full length anime feature film or series. Starwars Visions is scratching the surface with some of its shorts but I can imagine how cool it would be to have a legit full series or film in anime format. Maybe an anime series based on The High Republic would be interesting to watch.

[@Blue21-m6j]

He would have killed her. Either from anger or just like Malgus, to get rid of his only weakness. The only reason he'd keep his kids alive is to train them in order to be replaced by a stronger dark-side user of the force. The dark side eats up your body and mind. In the end the stronger you become, the stranger you become to your former self.

[@shanebrenton8005]

New potential theory: What if the Death Star never destroyed Alderaan. Obi-Wan, Luke, Han, and Chewy would have made it there. With everything we know from the Kenobi show, I think it would make from an interesting theory. Thoughts?