Static electricity refuelling risk and portable fuel containers | Auto Expert John Cadogan

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[@petercallaghan6987]

Great work. Welcome to Perth. I fuel aircraft and we connect to the aircraft with a bonding lead. That ensures the same continuity between our trucks and the aircraft. Because as you said fuel flowing through piping/hoses creates static. And when fuelling an A330 at around 2700L a min that potentially is a lot of static. JetA1 has a lower flash point then petrol so a little safer. But the things I see in petrol stations are crazy. People don’t understand how volatile petrol is! The static from taking a jumper off is more then enough for a free ride in an ambulance...

[@dustyfarmer]

I did mention in my original question to John Cadogan about aircraft static & refuelling as I have some experience with AVGAS & Jet A1 re-fuelling rotary wing & small fixed wing aircraft. I'm going to screw an earthing equalisation point into the handle of my steel jerry cans as they are coated in thick enamel paint, statistically, more people get killed on the way going to or going from the servo to somewhere else, very few get killed at the servo, unless your behind the counter at the cash register but that's another story.

[@MySparkle888]

I have a sticker in the back of my ute warning me to never refill a jerry can in the back. I though it was all a little silly but if I was wrong then I get a free bed in the burn unit. Next time I need to be a little more careful at the Petrol Station.

[@iDrive123]

It’s the same when loading a fuel Tanker.

[@brucewoods9377]

Dusty Farmer static doesn’t give a shit about the powder coating on your metal jerry can. Take a plastic ruler and rub it under your jumper (pullover) and place it near to small scraps of paper. The paper is attracted to the ruler. THAT IS STATIC ELECTRICITY

[@canto10mosha65]

Peter Callaghan it’s only free if you’re insured...wait, what?

[@wmmorsch]

Any landing you walk away from is a good one, if you can use the plane again as well then its just an added bonus.

[@ateamfan42]

If the plane can be used again, then it is a GREAT landing.

[@stevemckewen1046]

Too right JC - I did a lot of research on this in a previous life - the major failure vector is the operator interrupting the refueling process and the resuming with a static charge. The most common failure was when you get something out of the car (phone or wallet) while refueling is in progress.

[@garyhope6577]

Hey AutoExpert TV. This subject hits home for me because the last time I fueled up my car i truely experienced that oh heck darn blast moment of dread. Why ? When I refuel my actions go as follows, open fuel door, remove fuel cap, select fuel, insert pump and supply fuel until vehicle thirst is quenched or wallet will be emptied by the transaction. On this particular occasion I succeeded in getting as far as releasing the fuel cap, I heard the usual hiss rushing as the seal was broken and right at that moment I brushed against a metal part near the cap and felt the biggest electrostatic discharge I've been belted with in a long time. I thank my lucky stars because I wasn't on fire. That genuinely scared the crap out of me because I understand what danger of what I had just experienced. From now on I will be making more of an effort to ensure myself and the car are discharged before opening the fuel cap.

[@davidvoinier6008]

When refueling on high speed motorways, I always touch the car's body with the fuel hose nozzle BEFORE opening the tank. I'm always OCD about that after serving in military aviation.

[@Sivalente1]

On this episode our host shadily sneaks around major landmarks of a foreign state, telling us how to definitely not blow ourselves up. Nothing suspicious here sir.

[@surfside75]

You win😂🍻

[@CanonFirefly]

Foreign for some! Looks like home to me 😂

[@Sivalente1]

@@CanonFirefly it wouldn't be nearly as funny then would it? I'm from perth too btw.

[@hotdrippyglass]

Yet another excellent explanation of the details involved in everyday living that so many people just don't get educated about in the public school system. Thanks John.

[@bradz9413]

hotdrippyglass Yes, John does a great job educating us. It would not be unreasonable for him to get some coin from the government for what he does. I can tell you he has definitely helped me in obtaining my degree.

[@nicksauer6749]

I think a bigger reason for filling containers outside of a vehicle is that minor spills are pretty routine. A small spill on the forecourt is a lot less dangerous than one inside your car.

[@lasentinal]

Once again, a very informative video. I recall one of my uni lecturers informing informing us of the dangers if petrol and static electricity in the early 1970s. It never hurts to be reminded. Thanks John, for the great work that you do.

[@muzzaball]

Thanks John, another sound video. I had a Tanker Driver explain this to me once from his perspective. He had a 150mm hose, with fuel travelling at 1000 Lpm into the ground and he said that static electricity a risk that they HAVE to deal with on every drop. Cheers mate.

[@HypocriticYT]

Flammable fun! Fire cleanses and some vehicles could use it. Flying is the second greatest thrill to man, the first is landing

[@andrew_koala2974]

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[@davidvoinier6008]

Just for jollies, try an arrested landing on a carrier!

[@tundramanq]

Reminded me of telling people with rags stuffed in the filler opening that they were driving Molotov cocktails.

[@Joshuasaunders996]

I used to work at a servo, back when a service station provided a service and filled your car for you, checked your oil and washed your windscreen etc. We were trained to put the fuel container on the ground, put your foot on it, then proceed to fill it! No spills and earthed all in 1. I still do this when filling Jerry cans to this day

[@bt6850]

Hi John, I drive a petrol tanker and the things we witness on forecourts while completing a delivery can be interesting to say the least. Just on the topic of mobile phones, we don’t like people using them while we are on site even though there have been no reported accidents. The issue is the amount of e vapour floating around the site and the unlikely!! Event that the phone is dropped, breaks and may spark, probably a million to one but I do enjoy my modest modern lifestyle and would rather not be remembered as the first mobile phone statistic! Cheers

[@derekhobbs1102]

You forgot the tanker that blew up 25 years ago on Brighton road in South Australia, that was reported to be caused by mobile.

[@iDrive123]

Me too mate.

[@garyhope6577]

I'll tell you a really good reason to stop people using mobile phones while refueling even if they are totally safe is the human factor. People get distracted while they're on the phone and mistakes happen, when mistakes happen while refueling we get to witness a live burning man show.

[@iDrive123]

Derek Hobbs That Fire was not caused by a mobile phone. I suggest you do some research.

[@truckerallikatuk]

The phones themselves may be safe while fueling, as Mythbusters showed, but people certainly aren't. Distracted by a call, people do dumb stuff and cause potentially lethal and definitely expensive mistakes.

[@okcantbelieveit294]

Many years ago, almost pre history, we had anti static straps hanging down from the chassis and touching the ground so that when a car came to a standstill they would earth the vehicle. Similarly trucks, petrol engined ones, had them as well. Petrol tankers often had metal chains that did the earthing .

[@granttuckwell9274]

Thanks John, good information, well presented and most relevant answering all the questions I had about refueling containers in the back of my tub-lined Ford Ranger.

[@itemushmush]

you can tell he is a REAL expert. not sure what his background is, but he seems to be very academic maybe in Physics or Engineering definitely

[@granttuckwell9274]

@@itemushmush mechanical engineering.

[@WillPower46]

What could go wrong with flying? Nothing, it's the safest form of travel. Malaysian Airways: "hold my beer".

[@bigm383]

It's pure bad luck to lose one plane...oh, wait a minute, not if you fly through a newly declared war zone. Fuckwits.

[@bigm383]

@@ColinPacker I seem to remember it was only Malaysia Air that ignored the warnings. We we flying from Rome to Singapore so were quite interested!

[@16sputnik7]

Colin Packer Nope, they most certainly are not.

[@Lumby1]

You mean, Boeing 737 Max 8, 'Hold my beer', no?

[@gozfromoz119]

Video From Sydney To Perth equals Tax Deductible Holiday. Well Done.

[@whitehorse1959]

OMG John C. I vote this your very best upload based on philosophical content. 100% inspiration. Thank you.

[@brianhoward9217]

Love the style of you out and about John. Not that your studio ones are anything but excellent of course but it is nice for a change. Particularly well shot this one today for a single traveler - you make it all look so easy - the mark of a true expert! Thanks John, entertaining and informative as usual.

[@FlatWorld_Jomhuri_Regime]

I asked my classmate once, "why are you afraid of fires?" He said: "when I was 14 I poured gasoline all over the garage floor and tried to set it on fire; when my dad drove home and saw what I was doing he immediately went on an utter rampage and thrashed and beat me with such utter prejudice that I did not recover for 2 weeks"

[@AndreAndFriends]

1min. John, you're definitely belong in NY!!! You're natural. I mean it in a good way.

[@dezib5458]

Thanks JC I was never aware of the risks involved filling plastic fuel containers that I use at the race track , I had been filling them in the back of my ute next to my motorcycle .Its lucky Im still alive. Like the roving reporting , makes a change from your man cave in stockings .

[@terrystephens1102]

John, sincere thanks for this episode. Fortunately I’ve been using the technique you outlined for some years. We all can become nonchalant about the everyday risks we face and I have never ceased to be amazed at the utter stupidity that many show in how they handle petrol. 😃👌👌👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@aussietaipan8700]

Earthed Grounded, same thing, as JC said, take the plastic container out and fill it while is on the ground/earth. Makes perfect sense and keeps you and others alive.

[@guysimpson9420]

What a sacrifice to make an interesting video, in paying for a long haul flight, what a hero!

[@KegRaider]

Thanks mate, very informative. I've never questioned the reason for filling on the ground, as it makes logical sense anyway. Even as difficult as it is to remove the fuel container from the tinny at times, still remove it because there was a sign telling me so. I didn't actually think about the passenger approach though! That's something to look out for, again thanks!

[@nevarran]

The airport is the perfect place to talk about the easiest way to blow yourself up. John was itching for a cavity search :P

[@BradGryphonn]

4:33 Oh, John, you are smooth. I used to get volunteered for the emergency windows when I used to fly fairly regularly from Cairns to Brissie and back. On a side note, I was flying from somewhere to somewhere once and had a connecting flight (edit: I remember now...ROK-BNE-BNE-CNS). I was in A1 on the first leg, which was an emergency exit (small plane). When I boarded the next flight my seat was still marked as A1, which was a First Class seat. Anyway, I'm escorted to my seat, given a glass of juice and was then offered a menu and alcohol list. The 'waiter' leaves. Five minutes later he returns and tells me there's been a terrible mistake with my seating allocation and I'll have to go back to economy class. Now, there was no-one else in 1st class and there were over 300 empty seats in the plane, but they insisted I go back with the other commoners. However, I could sit anywhere I wanted "back there". It was pretty funny in hindsight.

[@electrofiction.]

2:09 In thrust we trust...

[@nelsblair2667]

The flight ✈️ attendant loves his work. We envy her ability to tell you that in person. ❤️ 💕 💗 🦕 🦖 🏎

[@gregjacques3159]

Love your work cobber, enjoy the tax rebate on the "working" holiday

[@cameradoctor205]

In Endurance Racing, the rules state we must Ground ( Earth ) the car when refueling.... I'd never really given it a lot of thought, but you hit the nail on the head about other people not necessarily being grounded .. we normally have 5 or 6 people running around the car like mad chooks !

[@uzaiyaro]

“Fabulous - love your work.” They really do appreciate it when you do your homework (which is not much in this case!) and come prepared.

[@michaelthemekhanical]

This is a good story. I've been to so many petrol stations and when dealing with Petrol I have been warned not to refuel while the container is on the tray regardless if it is insulated or not. However I've been to Costco to refuel and never have I been warned, but I've never taken a Jerry can for anything but Diesel fuel to Costco and always strap the steel can to the head board of the tray. It acts like a secondary fuel tank the ways it's attached if the pluming existed. I have seen people fill Jerry cans up in the vehicle but without warnings. I also don't know what they were using. I guess you could say Costco does not seem as cautious. I've also seen the Nozzles fall off while pumping and people were covered in fuel. Static does not get built up as bad in some cars. Old vehicles don't seem to shock you when you jump out of the car wheres newer cars seem to do just that... Shock you. Good video, keep doing what your doing! Have a nice flight.

[@charles1379]

Hi John, another reason for not filling the drums of fuel in the boot of the car or the rear of the Ute is that in refueling in these places could lead to a build up of fuel Fumes that normally flow out of the container as it is filled. This occurs because fuel vapour is heavier than air and the vapors will settle in the depression of the vehicle. This occurs in boats as well and that is why the fuel cap is placed on the out side section of the Hull so the vapours flow overboard. These vapours can then ignite with static or the interior lights turning on or the start ignition. Not a good thing if it happens.

[@charles1379]

@Stijn 3 who are you replying to , I don't believe it was my comment, was it??

[@dustyfarmer]

Except those blokes in Sydney not that long ago who blew themselves up after refuelling their trailer boat....they put the fuel bowser filler in a gunwale mounted plastic rod holder hole and filled the bottom of the boat with petrol.

[@charles1379]

@@dustyfarmer Yes you cant legislate against stupidity and it is best not to. Boats do blow you away in more ways than one.

[@camrsr5463]

I like to shut down the dispenser when retards re enter the car after locking the nozzle to full blast! Specially in the winter months. Love that power trip!

[@stevecallachor]

When I was a wee kid fuel delivery trucks (we called them petrol tankers) had a chain which dragged on the ground as the vehicle drove along. I presume that it eliminated static charge as the vehicle came to a rest, and I also guess that it circumvented the driver being too daft to attach an earthing strap. Don't see it any more!! Steve from the age when petrol stations sold many fuel brands. Amoco, Purr Pull, Golden Fleece, Atlantic, Ampol, BP............

[@brianveestrom6784]

You are looking great there John. I was wanting to see you in fishnets on the flight. You certainly would have experienced "special treatment" by the airline and possibly security (maybe an interesting proposition or 3?). The episode was brilliant, I felt like I was with you in your travels. The airport looked like the local one here in Vancouver CA. Great filming. XXOO

[@MrBuyerman]

Great video, fab format. Informative content. Sorted!

[@russellgaskin7995]

Hi John. Welcome to the West. I had a vehicle a long time ago that was very bad for static electricity. It was diesel but it always concerned me about the potential of a spark when refuelling. I always made sure I earthed myself to the car before going near it holding the fuel nozzle. I even installed a static strap like cars used to have back in the 60's and 70's. I always thought what if this was petrol? Even now when I refuel either my wife's petrol car or my diesel ute I manually control the fuel flow and lean against the car to minimise a spark. When refuelling Jerry cans and mower fuel containers, I've always put them on the ground before filling them. My dad always did this from farming days and so have I for the last 50 years but never thought about why. Guess when your young you learn habits from you're parents (some good some not so good) with out realising the why's.

[@achillies40]

Welcome to Perth John. I'm glad the wings were still attached. And you were able to get to your hotel due to the men and women doing their job at Traffic Operations. In WA, you can't lock the pump ON, unless it's the Diesel pump for trucks. It's funny that the servo's go NUTS about phones but it's very rare for anyone to say anything about static discharge, present video excepted. I always put my fuel containers on the ground and touch it with the nozzle before I start putting fuel into the container. I also make sure I have touched the bowzer body as well to make sure I am discharged. Being an electrician, I have a bit of an idea about electricity and static discharge.

[@AutoExpertJC]

I'm glad the wings remained attached too... Static electricity is a much more significant risk than mobiles (although I do not want people using mobiles and refuelling merely because it's a massive distraction hazard...)

[@achillies40]

@@AutoExpertJC Wings staying attached is always a good thing and it seems to help you get to your destination. Who would have thought?? Wouldn't the plane be more aerodynamic if it didn't have wings though? Who needs lift?....I mean REALLY....some people think gravity doesn't exist and the planet is actually flat. Enjoy your time in West Shitsville.

[@letsseeif]

In 1956 I began my aviation journey by learning to fly DH82 Tiger Moths. PROCEDURES FOR REFUELING -> Aerodrome were flame & spark free zones, officially. eg. Refueling Tiger Moths meant climbing onto the top of the fuselage to the Centre corrugated aluminium Tank & pumping fuel 'til the SOLE aircraft fuel gauge (a plastic thermometer-like tube poking above that top wing) indicated full, right up to the top of said tube. [in flight the fuel gauge/ plastic tube was in clear sight of the rear seat where the pilot sat & piloted (at the back for weight & balance considerations). RE FUEL GAUGE ACCURACY, we were given to understand that once the pink fuel disappeared below the visual level of sight within the tube, that we would run dry in 20 minutes. ON REFUELLING:- Before we refueled we 'GROUNDED EVERYTHING'! 1. Using clips onto specific metal inserts in the tarmac. 2. onto the fuel truck (also grounded) or bowser & of course, 3. also onto that elevated fuel tank too. THE FUEL was a 'low' 80-87, but (and as indicated re Peter C below,) much more 'your basic v clean petrol' and much more volatile that JET A1 (basically vv clean kerosene). YET Most (not me) people 'Smoked' (remember fags (I don't mean 'alternative gender folk')) and naked flames (mainly matches) were everywhere including at the omni-present petrol 'service stations.' At age 17, I had to wait another year to drive. But I was old enough to talk to Dad (an electronics pioneer) about such inconsistencies. I'd ask why wasn't their the occasional 'flash' or 'bang'. He'd explained everything (under & above the Sun) but never ever any sex ed at all ! I rest my case

[@doughibberd1576]

Very informative. Enjoy Perth.

[@FireAngelZero]

Never took you for an aviation aficionado John. Cheers from ‘Murica!

[@RichardOzanne]

Good advice, John. Never really put much thought into this subject... just got on with filling up! Now you've got me thinking, unfortunately. What about emptying said petrol can into bike/mower/boat/chainsaw etc? I guess a similar risk exists if there's static in the can and the aforementioned toys are earthed.

[@wacio]

There is another point worth mentioning: Filling the container in the car can end up with spill - in the car. This would be hard to recover from - and would usually end up with driving fuel vapor filled car home with all electrical and electrostatic spark dangers continuing for the duration of the trip.

[@jayreiter268]

John is great. Wish we had a twin in merica.

[@markjwilcox]

I think the problem is complacency. For years we fill up our vehicles with no issue then “kaboom”. Somehow we cause a spark and set off an almighty fire show. I’d never even thought of the way we bring the potential of us, the pump and the car to be equal. Thanks for the explanation John and I hope you have / had a good trip.

[@teardowndan5364]

The biggest danger while refueling is from over-reacting: the tank atmosphere should be close to 100% fuel vapor when the evap system is working properly and shouldn't be able to ignite, most of the damage comes from people getting startled when the cloud of gasoline outside the fill tube ignites and spooks the customer into spraying gasoline all over the place. Fingers off the trigger when you pull the nozzle out.

[@DOC19581]

Amazing. 1 view and 3 likes when I switched over to this video. Magic!

[@50pence59]

Bleach is no fun to manage either. 🙁

[@BradGryphonn]

I'm a relatively old fart. I have always grounded myself and my vessel before adding petrol vapours to the mix. I did IATA Dangerous Goods (transport by air) certification and the Road Transport equivalent many years ago and I have a healthy respect for all DGs. The descriptions and examples of BLEVEs were pretty graphic and the explanation of air-fuel vapour mechanics was enlightening. I've forgotten most of what I learned, except the important shit.

[@threesquared6720]

Probably the reason why many servo's have removed the lock clip from nozzle guns.

[@iDrive123]

That’s exactly why they don’t have them.

[@robv.o.1777]

Did you go indoor skydiving? Check for safeguards 😀

[@robinhaynes8985]

Back about 50 years ago in Retardistan a 10,000 gallon tanker was being prepped for air transport. The checklist called for the tanker to be filled with CO2 to make it resistant to spark induce booms before being loaded on the C5A transport. The guy in charge of pumping the tanker full of CO2 was not to be found so the two braniacs decided to use fire extinguishers containing the said gas. Static caused a big boom heard 20km away. The two braniacs were found spread a simular distance away

[@danielphythian76]

Kudos Always a pleasure watching

[@andrewhallett-patterson9778]

What you have stated is near identical to the mine safety training received when first receiving site inductions. The only real variation is that all vehicles are fitted with a earth lead that is attached to a certified earthing point when refilling with both diesel and adblue. We do use poly fuel containers, mine site approved versions which do differ from civilian versions, but there are earthing mats situated next to the pumps that you fill the containers on. Then the fuel hose has copper spiraling embedded. And with 180 spirals/m, flex is restrictive. Everything is tested every 3 months, and some of the results can be worrying. Though the battery is auto isolated when ignition is turned off, vehicle connected to the earthing point, testing observed both voltage and amperage readings. Further testing indicated capacitor discharge from alternator, ECM and body modules generated the readings. Policy now indicates 5 minute waiting period for complete discharge before refilling can occur. Overkill ? No. Just arse covering, or 'crystal balling'. 👍👍🇦🇺

[@Equiluxe1]

Another major reason for not filling a portable container in the boot of a car, spillage. The vapour from a spill can and will anesthetize you in a closed environment and the boot of a car is not sealed from the cab, well at least not gas tight. Another thing not to do is try and warm a cold nozzle with a lighter, that always ends badly. Like this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/al7Zq6l-qalsg9E

[@andrew_koala2974]

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[@vk6xre]

Hey John, yes, welcome to Perth.

[@mcdon2401]

The stewardess said she loves your work... hope that means you got extra free stuff on the flight.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Perhaps she was talking about my fine work on KZbin...

[@mayflowerlash11]

Right on the money again. One omission, you could have mentioned that the use of a mobile phone at the filling point causes fires is an urban myth. As you rightly assert static discharge is the cause of the fires. Drivers with woollen car seat covers should take note especially. As you rub your arse on the wool getting out of the car the potential difference between you and your car increases.

[@dazzaco6734]

I completely agree. The other thing of note is that petrol stations in Australia stopped allowing people to lock off the fuel nozzle over a decade ago to prevent people from leaving the pump & getting back into their cars due to the static risk. The only place where you can still lock off a nozzle is at dedicated truck pumps and in some private industrial/farm pumps for internal company use. Users of these pumps are supposed to have instruction on safe refueling as part of their OH&S.

[@iDrive123]

DazzaCo That’s because diesel is not a flammable liquid. Static will not cause ignition.

[@mayflowerlash11]

@@iDrive123 I think John was talking about ignition at petrol bowsers, not diesel.

[@iDrive123]

Gary LeLacheur I was replying to Dazzaco.

[@mayflowerlash11]

@@iDrive123 No worries. I couldn't see that.

[@Setright]

ESD is also a major cause of many failures in electronics. A 500 Volt discharge can cause subtle damage to semi-conductors, even though the person handling them won't feel a thing. We experimented with this during my studies, and most of us needed 2500 Volts of static charge before we could feel it.

[@rogerpearson9081]

That's why any reputable computer tech will wear a special wrist strap with a built in high value resistor which bleeds any static but will not give a fatal shock if line voltage is contacted when handling $1000 video cards or other computer parts. On parts that run at 1-2 volts a 200 volt discharge is like hooking your car up to 1000V. Maybe lucky but it can weaken the silicon for a later early failure.

[@terrystarr3012]

Excellent report John, good to see the man flu has gone for another year

[@AutoExpertJC]

Thank you Terry. It was emotional while it lasted.

[@CatsMeowPaw]

The only thing missing from this report is video of John being carted off by security and given the rubber glove treatment after talking about aircraft blowing up in an airport.

[@azizbelkharmoudi2564]

😂😂😂

[@mindtraveller100]

If he was in Retardistan and if the year was 2002, maybe that could be arranged.

[@brymanable]

great information jonh 🤔👍

[@MothershipVideos]

Some handy safety tips beautifly explained as usual.

[@jamesbarisitz4794]

Lived with snowmobiles, and most every 2 stroke thing you can fill with a plastic fuel jug. Haven't heard of this being a problem here in Canada. Probably because when you take the container out of the vehicle you have to set it down on the ground to remove the top off the can. How do you manage to pull the jug out of the car, remove the cap and select the refueling grade button , then start filling the can without setting the can on the ground first? Holding the gas can under your left arm and removing the cap with your right hand, then dropping the lid so you don't earth it by placing it down thus earthing everything. Now grab the pump and refuel with the jug up at eye height to see the fill line without ever having made contact with the container to the ground. If that's how you 'Strains do it- no wonder you blow yourselves up. Hint- Don't fill your jerry can after more than 8-9 Fosters.☺

[@graemebrown8851]

Another excellent video John. What about filling my 50 liter alloy tank in my fiberglass boat, that is on a trailer at the servo? What if any, precautions should I take?

[@KegRaider]

Wear thongs, slip one off and hook your shin into the metal mudgaurd on your trailer. Grab the bowser nozzle, limp over to the boat 'cause you just stood in some asshole's chewie, lean into your boat and start filling. Once the blood from your shin reaches your ankle, the tank should be full. Return the nozzle, slip on your double plugger and swear under your breath while limping into the servo attendant.

[@robertlangham2356]

Great advice JC, after a couple of minor "incidents" I too have learned the wisdom of obtaining good earth 💥. On another topic, I would value your opinion on which causes least environmental damage, modern diesel, modern pettol, hybrid or EV. Knowing your love of research to back up your arguement, please do so, fill your boots my friend 🙄

[@AutoExpertJC]

'Least environmental damage' is very hard to define. Probably best to keep your old car for that, until the economic end of its life, then buy a hybrid.

[@robertlangham2356]

@@AutoExpertJC Thank you JC, that is very sage advice 👍

[@user-iy6de7qi1r]

Here in "merica" I routinely fill fuel containers with five or ten gallons of "petrol, or gasoline', because I've got ten acres of lawn to mow, or cords of wood to cut, having fifty acres of woods surrounding my home. A mere "gallon" of gas or diesel would be more than enough to ruin one's day, week, months of recovery from a fire and static is generated at every pumping and transfer/transition point. Carrying ten or twenty gallons or more is incredibly dangerous if one is a fool.

[@allangibson8494]

All certified fuel containers are conductive. They are legally required to be. This includes the plastic ones which are loaded with conductive fillers in the plastic. Always touch the nozzle to the container before filling however to equalise the voltages. No voltage difference - no spark.

[@Wayne-Pr]

Hi John. Love your videos, I've never felt the need to write in and correct you before because ha your the car dude and what could you ever possible get wrong when it comes to cars.?. But as a commercial pilot I feel the need to correct you on 2 x really important facts from this video. 1St the Qantas A330-300 that you flew to Perth on has 2 x General Electric CF6-80E1A2 Turbo Fan Engines NOT Rolls Royce, Rolls Royce are used on Boeing aircraft Airbus use General Electric. The fuel Volumetric fuel capacity of the Qantas A330-300 is in fact 97,530l / 27,760gal which equals 97.5 Cubic meters not 110 cubic meters and just for the hell of it that fuel weighs 78.024 Tons At a standard temperature of 15 degrees Celsius, the Jet A1 density is 0.804 kg/l. At a standard temperature of 36 degrees Celsius, the Jet A1 density of 0.784 kg/l And just because I know you love Tech stuff here's some Tech stuff below for you. Jet A1 has a Flash Point of 38 °C (100 °F) Autoignition temperature of 210 °C (410 °F) Freezing Point of −47 °C (−53 °F) Max adiabatic burn temperature 2,500 K (2,230 °C) (4,040 °F) open air burn temperature: 1,030 °C (1,890 °F) Specific energy 42.80 MJ/kg (11.90 kWh / kg) Energy density 34.7 MJ/L [13] (9.6 kWh / L) And produces Each General Electric CF6-80E1A2 Turbo Fan Engine produces 65,800-69,800 lbf or 293-310 kN of thrust at take off. Regards Wayne.

[@waynekavanagh745]

Love your work Wayne

[@davidvoinier6008]

In "MERICA" on our paid motorways where we have tool booths, there are tiny metal antennas in the pavement to ground the vehicles before they approach the booth attendant so he doesn't get knocked on his butt from the built up static energy in the vehicle when he takes your payment. Likewise, I've been on aircraft carriers in the Navy and watched static arcs jump from the arresting gear as the aircraft come aboard. Have you ever seen night vision videos of helicopters in the desert with a circle of light following the rotor blades? Static energy is all around us!

[@rogerhendy8340]

Aircraft are a little bit more complicated than being just an aluminium tube. There's Titanium and carbon fiber composite structural components that are multiple times stronger than aircraft grade aluminium alloys. Boeing 787 Dreamliners are mostly carbon fiber reinforced plastic CFRP.

[@Thedoug369]

Earthing? Never heard that one before. We call it "grounding" here in Retardastan.

[@tony34star]

Earthing is Grounding

[@malcolmyoung7866]

@@tony34star Grounding is Earthing......

[@Setright]

Grounding, doesn't that mean to confine a child to their room?? ;-)

[@obzai]

Static discharge is one thing but the single best reason not to fill a container in the boot of a car or tub of a ute is spillage. If you're doing it on the ground outside the car you can splash water on it, but if you've just overfilled the container into the boot of your own car...

[@steved2623]

Great information John, thanks.

[@badwolf6254]

this video is great.

[@kanada2525]

Thank you John, I m just about to fill two 20L jerry cans of v power to take with me on my very first track day. I am concerned abaut the fuel safety as I learnt from you how dangerous it is, we tend to forget that as it is so avalabe, and no o e makes a big deal oit of it. Love your videos, sorry for not hating, I'll try harder next time.

[@kanada2525]

Actually now on second that, I will not take that risk, I will instead buy the inflated price fuel at track, its nkt worth all the hassle, also I waisted 32 brexstani pounds o the jerry cans, but I guess I will know better next time.

[@AutoExpertJC]

I think the Jerry cans can be conveyed safely as long as they're secure and sealed and you don't leave them in the sun and you decant the fuel into the car safely. It's like using an angle grinder - only potentially dangerous.

[@kanada2525]

@@AutoExpertJC thank you for your reply, I feel honoured. Oh, and I also got the ryoby i flator deflator, really cool, and will come real handy on the track, so thanks for that review as well.

[@dmajumdar2059]

Hello, sir! Liked the video, as always. Just wondering if you might be interested in making a video explaining the 'pancake motor/integrated starter alternator' systems in use in today's mild hybrids! What I find most intriguing is their ability to switch roles between being a generator charging the 48v system and a motor adding to the torque output of the engine. There aren't any in depth dedicated videos out there on this topic and interested as I am, I'm definitely not smart enough to make sense of any scholarly articles on this either! Hence this request. Please consider 🙂

[@USMC-es4yy]

I came to this video when I ordered a metal gas can from amazon..when I was reading the reviews some guy was mentioning this static thing which I was never aware of..I've filled metal and plastic cans up soooooo many times on the bed of my truck it isnt even funny..I'll be taking the can and sitting it on the cement from now on!!!

[@Jeff_MT09]

Thanks John - very informative and well presented. Likewise, I must dismount my motorcycle before refuelling for obvious reasons. What I dislike is that I have to remove my helmet before the attendants will activate the fuel bowser! Cheers.

[@tony34star]

But be careful even just removing your helmet gains static

[@pyrobob208]

Try covering your helmet with a burka and tell them you are Muslim.

[@Jeff_MT09]

Tony R I actually put my helmet on the ground - never really knew why, but now that you mention it! Cheers.

[@Jeff_MT09]

Robert Robinson I know, don’t get me started on that! Grrr. Cheers.

[@tony34star]

@@Jeff_MT09 usually synthetic materials in clothes have static when rubbed together...cotton is better much less antistatic.

[@colinboggust2950]

Thanks this really had to be said. When I buy a Bic lighter from a gas station I ask for a gas leak detector and select the colour , they just scan it $2.99.

[@IT-sq5rj]

Turbines Vs Pistons is like Rock beats scissors.

[@VroomBroomZoom]

Is this a vlog? Wow, original content! Love it John!!!

[@shane0yourgod]

Welcome to WA. Want to have a beer? Got a cold one waiting for ya.

[@Michael_Mears]

Fabulous. Love your work.

[@jimi-w]

Thought it felt fatter around here. Hope the trip goes well!

[@DogsBAwesome]

In the UK they have took the lock open mechanisms out of the pump nozzles years ago, if you don't press the lever you don't get any fuel. Most of the videos of fuel fires show people faffing about before the ignition of the fuel (apart for numbnuts smoking of course) .

[@Cheepchipsable]

Yes, they show people sitting on the car seats, then sliding off without touching anything. Doesn't help if you wear polyester clothing.

[@antiussentiment]

You crack me up.. I'm glad aircraft don't.

[@jamesplotkin4674]

Well done!

[@SunRise-ul7ko]

I once answered my mobile phone while filling my car. Then the service Station attendant over the P.A. system politely told me to get off my phone while filling.

[@AutoExpertJC]

There has never been a case of a mobile phone causing a fire at a filling station.

[@mcmoose64]

I seem to remember the Mythbusters doing an episode on this . Try as they might ,they cound not get a phone to trigger an ignition under anything like normal circumstances . Still , there is a lot to be said for the precautionary princple .

[@AyJayR28]

AutoExpert TV - I think you’ll find it’s to do with paying attention to what you’re doing. You know, so instead of tipping petrol all over the car and forecourt while you like a video on FB of some idiot setting their car on fire in a servo!!

[@AutoExpertJC]

@@AyJayR28 I think that's an excellent reason not to use a mobile phone while refuelling.

[@dustyfarmer]

I can tell you (from what I witnessed once) why they say no re-fuelling your motorbike while sitting on it... because splashing petrol on your genital area appears to be very, very painful & doesn't wash off easily.

[@Lumby1]

Dusty Farmer, Would probably kill off any crab lice, though.

[@dustyfarmer]

@@Lumby1 Reminds me of this joke... How do you kill pubic lice? Part your pubic hair carefully down the middle, set fire to one side, when the crabs run over to the other side for protection, you stab them to death with an ice pick.

[@Lumby1]

@@dustyfarmer That's funny! Blue ointment is a little gentler than gasoline, or fire and an ice pick!

[@dustyfarmer]

@@Lumby1 I recommend sheep dip for pubic lice, just be careful to keep it off your wrist watch...because it will kill the ticks too.

[@tony34star]

Great video well done.

[@cjzani]

5:10, is that Mitch McConnell in drag behind you?

[@Laz_Arus]

06:07 I'm sure you felt so much more secure seeing that dangling from the rearview mirror. 🤞🤞

[@DogsBAwesome]

I remember once walking across the carpet of the foyer of a hotel I was staying at then grabbing the big brass knob at the bottom of the stairs, the static charge I got nearly knocked me on my arse.

[@igfili]

How many fuelling accidents were recorded in AU in the last 10 years? Thanks, Jon

[@BradGryphonn]

What freaking awesome airport is that with no other annoying passengers? The place looks empty!

[@kippen64]

Have unwittingly been filling my fuel containers correctly. Met a gentleman who had had an unfortunate incident with fire and petrol. Even after multiple surgeries, his whole self still looked like someone in a horror movie. Not something that I would wish on anyone.

[@dustyfarmer]

Hello John Cadogan, You may be able to relate to this, While We are on the subject of fuel bowsers and the risks they can pose to human health, I always use surgical rubber gloves when handling the service station fuel bowser fillers because of the fact that many people cough into their hands then can transfer the flu virus or common cold virus onto the surfaces that I would otherwise handle, that nasty projectile vomiting & diarrhea Norovirus is another virus that can live for days on surfaces outside and is easily transferred by infected peoples hands. I do have the flu shot yearly but haven't had a cold or flu for many years. Would it be possible to do some culture swabs & petri dish tests on fuel bowser filler handle surfaces or should I just keep on being O.C.D and wear my gloves. P.S They do keep the diesel of my skin too so I'm probably preventing cancer as well.