Steam Deck vs MSI Claw

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The MSI Claw handheld uses an Intel APU, which may have power consumption and driver issues compared to other handheld devices.
The hosts express skepticism about the performance and battery life of the MSI Claw handheld.
The price of the MSI Claw handheld will play a significant role in its success, but it may struggle to compete with other established handheld devices.
Personal preference and familiarity with Steam input may influence the decision to purchase the MSI Claw handheld. Console amenities, such as extended battery life, are important factors for handheld PC gamers.
The concept of a gaming phone with built-in controls and a larger battery is appealing to some gamers.
Power and efficiency are crucial in PC gaming, and there is a need for more efficient chips and optimization.
Subscription services for indie games can help highlight and support smaller developers.
The number of games on Steam is overwhelming, making it challenging to discover hidden gems.
NCSoft's decision to license a fan project for City of Heroes shows a positive approach to game preservation and community support. Cannibalization of game sales may not be a significant concern given the vast number of games available in the industry.
The snapshot feature in Prince of Persia helps players navigate metroidvania-style games more efficiently by marking areas of interest on the mini-map.
Prioritizing performance over visual quality in games can lead to a more enjoyable gaming experience.
Lengthy tutorials in games can be a turn-off for players and may discourage them from continuing to play.
The hosts express their gratitude to their patrons for their support.
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[@B_Machine]

Oh man... I hope everything is ok with Rich and his family.

[@acdnan]

Yeah that was scary.

[@MobileDecay]

After seeing I couldn’t focus on the video. 😢

[@AlexRubio]

Oh, don't know what happen is he and his family okay?

[@LiteraryCurtastrophe]

​@@MobileDecay Same. Honestly, I wouldn't have been able to continue the podcast because I'd be too worried to focus. I'm impressed they were able to.

[@OliverStogden]

He confirmed on his own channel later that he had received a message about a death in the family.

[@smidlee7747]

Dr Claw is the villain in Inspector Gadget.

[@NerdNest]

His cat is the real villain in that.

[@MR-oy5yt]

Bill you're such a great host. Noticing small movements and asking guests if they want to say something. I wish more podcast hosts had as much eye for detail and attention

[@NerdNest]

Well, most podcasts are audio only so they can't see that kind of thing. But thank you.

[@Herwees]

@@NerdNest don’t be modest, you’re hosting is great! I noticed this before and I assumed you were in an occupation focused on guided group discussion like counseling or something like that based on how well you facilitate group discussion with different people

[@NerdNest]

I'm a high school teacher. Thanks for the kind words.

[@MR-oy5yt]

@@NerdNest yeah for sure... I do watch quite a lot of podcasts on youtube, all of them are video calls, and from my sample size you're definitely in the top 5% when it comes to being a fantastic host!

[@GamerAnime200]

@@NerdNest Where can I buy the msi claw handheld. Can I buy it online?

[@yutt]

I hope you all realize what a great podcast you have here. I know you're super niche, but the personalities and knowledge and viewpoints you all cover is excellent. I listen to a lot of podcasts on a lot of topics (history, science, comedy, economics, gaming) and your regular group here is one of the best for your areas of interest/expertise.

[@Mcvanilla83]

since the steamdeck im playing a lot of indie games that i never would have played with my monster pc. right now im playing "the messenger" and its absolutly awesome.

[@Carbiniz3r]

Price dictates all here. If its right in between a RoG ally and a steamdeck it will be ok. If it tries to go to Lenovo Go pricing with all its current drawbacks, this thing will fail miserably. The GO only works at its price point because its the only USB4 handheld, the huge battery, Huge screen and the 144hz display. It went all in. If MSI thinks this stripped down thing can be 600-800 bucks then good luck.

[@Scatner]

noway it will be between rog ally and deck. Only given 32 Gb RAm the price will start with 700$. To me the budget version will be somewhere between 750-850$. This intel cpu is kinda fresh ,and release somewhere in the end ot 2023. Which also adds some $ to the price. And I assume it also will have more buttery as rog ally has too much of free space inside which could be populated by more size battery. Given all of that i'm afraid the price might end up started from 800 or even 850$. Which made it kinda useless already. But we need to wait for the official announce to check the screen and battery. But i wouldn't count to much on it actually.

[@averagemobileplayergfs7383]

@@WhiteG60That’s true.

[@Carbiniz3r]

@@Scatner That price range makes 0 sense for a device that has a physically smaller and slower refresh rate screen than the go. No touchpads and a higher battery consumption rate granted an extra 4 watt hours. It doesnt warrant that price tag. This thing is DOA if thats the case.

[@Scatner]

@@Carbiniz3r i was wrong and write simulteneously. Claw started at 700$ and top version is for 800$

[@silvacrest11]

Kerry is a real one for even mentioning the xperia play, I loved mine, its a shame Sony didn't bother with a successor

[@Muhluri]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M I also think mobile gaming wasn't at a good point at that time. Even now there aren't many good games with good controller support

[@AlexandreHenriques240]

I'm getting old... Here I am making soup and listening a gaming podcast. I really have to buy a deck 😅

[@marco.pereira]

Hope all is well with Rich! 🙏

[@TGAMOdin]

MSI Claw appears to suffer from the same hardware challenge that Legion Go & ROG Allay both have... Namely no trackpad, which I think is the true point of difference between the Deck and others. It essentially means that the deck doesn't need periphery's to run everything (although you can get them for it if you want).

[@MotherRat-ii6ji]

Hope everything is ok with Rich!

[@LarryGanz]

Great! Thanks so much for showing us this!

[@OpoSai]

Swappable batteries would be amazing for a handheld

[@hornantuutti5157]

We will soon enjoy jist that in eu. As it will be illegal to sell stuff that dont have easily swappable battery. Like phones used to be. But this comes back to all devises

[@Blackfatrat]

@@hornantuutti5157 They will be replacable but can require tools, so not exactly like it used to be. Just not any special tools. Steam deck battery is replacable as far i understand, you do need to open it up however.

[@nuckv7544]

New sub here. Love the podcast, just great vibes, everyone gets a chance to speak and no speaking over each other, Bill is a great host. Been binge watching all the episodes. Looking forward to more!

[@tomkirbygreen]

Gosh. Hope Rich is OK…

[@heshermunson]

Phawx: I don't like grinding. Also Phawx: Last Final Fantasy I played was FF7.

[@staygood249]

I own an Asus Rog ally and a Steam Deck biggest issues with ROG Ally is the sleep/suspend function for games is trash and battery life unplugged is not the best for most games. I love both devices but i need to be able to Sleep/suspend games with confidence. I do think the competition is welcomed in the market though.

[@theo5675]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34Mit obviously is a windows issue nothing to do with the ally

[@staygood249]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M it is prob most definitely a windows issue.

[@hornantuutti5157]

Ally comes with windows so yeah. It is ally issue. No need to get bitthurt if someone points out something thats done badly on ally. They might sent out fix for it later anyway. I hate when fanboys start screeching lol.

[@emiliosanchez4610]

Today's episode was really fun and I enjoy how passionate you guys are when talking about things. I 100% agree with Cary on the gaming phone debate in that people always move the goalpost. I can't count the amount of times I have heard people say the "why wouldn't I just get a laptop" thing :/ Hope Richard is doing well. 🙏

[@garyoneil9791]

Maybe two power profiles for docked and handheld mode - as long as low power mode is still performing well enough

[@logansaetre6595]

This is a really good talk. Very informative and entertaining. Final Fantasy 13 is a divisive topic. I've always preferred a more linear experience in games and that's a big reason why this is one of the best games I've ever played. It also came down to where I was at in my life when I played it. Opinions are very subjective, and that's one thing you made very clear in this video. We each have our own personal experience going through things.

[@rastamouse7861]

I remember tinkering with Clear Linux, which is an Intel maintained flavor and distribution of Linux on my old and insanely underpowered Intel NUC and being impressed with some of the initial, albeit slight, performance improvements I got playing mid spec PC games on it. I thought it would be cool if Intel turned their NUC series into handhelds and used Clear Linux as their base OS because of the micro code level tweaks and chip specific enhancements Intel implements into the distro. Sadly, it's only used mainly as a server Linux distro now.

[@Renteka-Bond]

Ooh, huge props for the FF13 appreciation! 13 is my favorite alongside 9, despite the flaws, but as the series went on, the sequels cleared up a lot of the rougher spots of the system. I believe that them coming back to 13 with fresher eyes would do a lot to shore up a lot of the issues to let it shine. Edit: For the Phawx in regards to FF13, despite 13 being called a tutorial for the first 20-50 hours, however long it takes to get to the open map for you, 13 actually is very against grinding and can be beaten with skill over direct time commitment. A lot of the optional stuff will be harder, but it's just that, optional. You can mainline the game well enough without needing to run into a loop.

[@peterd7009]

Another great show guys. I hope all is ok with Rich .

[@ko7gaming470]

Devils advocate some people don't want to use it in handheld all the time, they want more powered when docked.

[@justjoshininjapan700]

Agreed on the gaming phone! Hopefully retroid/odin/aya neo will launch a psp go like device that has cellular data capabilities.

[@ZaberfangX]

Wonder if wildstar be in NCsoft cards too, I am sure be alot more then city of hero, then we got asheron call too from WB and so on.

[@flywheelshyster6549]

Steam deck turned me on to tech when i got it and fell in love with it. And *most* games i play are 2d metroidvania so i get 4 to 6 hours from the battery. And thats the lcd. Such an awesome device, loss weight while you game by playing on a stationary exercise bike

[@MrHuck]

You tried Blasphemous? Bought it for budget price from Steam store.

[@danavidal8774]

My only problem with phones as gaming devices is that the usable screen is small for anything outside of Android games (which near all are gotcha or short indie games or are so outdated that they no longer work) Battery is no concern with my power bank and controller is ok with Kishi V1 (there are better controllers) but despite the better screen (1080p 120hz OLED) I prefer to use the Steam Deck (non OLED) just for that aspect ratio and 7 inch

[@EvryGama]

If you need a gaming phone, just take one of the many out there with digital (or even real) shoulder buttons like the ASUS ROG phones, the Xiaomi Black shark, the Lenovo Legion Dual, the Iqoo phones, the Nubia Redmagic... Those will give you the best compromise being "real phones" more portable and also having great gaming compatibility. I'm often playing and streaming PUBG NEW State on my channel and it just works great and is a lot of fun on my ROG Phone 6D. And it having one of the newer Mediatek processor it even has a really great runtime compared to the Snapdragon processors.

[@hornantuutti5157]

There is not much to play with phones. Dumbest way to spend money really. Bad games on a reeeally expensive phone. Bad + bad.

[@EvryGama]

@@hornantuutti5157 There are many good games, you just need to know which ones they are; PUBG New State, Grid Legends, Pascal's Wager, Dead Cells, Castlevania Synphony of the night, Slay the Spire, Rusty Lake Hotel, Asphalt 9, Assoluto Racing, Mini Motor Racing, Mudrunner, FF7, 3 and 4, Genshin Impact, Nier, Brotato, Death's Door, and many, many more!

[@lanedj801]

Kerry is exactly right about gaming phones. A modern experia play is all I’ve ever wanted.

[@lockingsalt]

Been using the gpd xp plus as my main phone and gaming phone as well...

[@dcarpenter85]

The sliding between narrow doors/tunnels is 100% where they are hiding the asset loads. It’s very common in Unreal Engine 4 and older games since they struggle at asset streaming. Unreal engine 5 has improved this significantly.

[@AlexandreHenriques240]

I'm not playing FF13, at least not counting on it. I'm getting really into indies now.

[@timsullivan9252]

I definitely like my Lenovo Legion Go having some power when I need-want some power lol 800p with integer scaling looks great on its screen and it can run the hell out of some games plugged in. I’m away from my gaming setup quite a bit so it’s really nice to be able to bring my go and have access to my PC, Xbox, and PS5 games love it!!! lol

[@squiddymute]

whatever handheld is coming out it's compared with the steam deck. This only tells you what you need to know.

[@MobileTechGaming]

Still waiting on the Xperia play 2 from when the r800 launched back in the day

[@maddoggaming1171]

I was excited to see another company enter the ring of handhelds but by the time this finally releases we might be 1-2 months out from the ROG Ally 2 which I’d assume will be much more stable with how long they’ve been doing updates and learning from their mistakes in comparison. I doubt I’d pick up the claw myself, but idk.

[@kindpanda1075]

Steamdeck shows 17 gigs used in No Man's Sky. I had texture issues even at "standard textures."

[@aarongoodwin8675]

Man I have no idea why noone talks about the ability to stream from your PC. Its GREAT on the Deck i can get 5 to 6 hours of battery streaming with RTX and all the other bells from my main rig. I love watching this I just would like to meantion that i use it all the time. You guys should mention that and how well the ROG streams i have no idea. ... Thanks,

[@Xraided89]

Also alot of people just dont realize much rather play on a stronger handheld that can play most games than a laptop that can play all ,more comfortable more immerssion especially on the go, and most of time i have mine plugged in ,and i do have an asus g 14 too that i dont play no more

[@justjoshininjapan700]

I need that pixel art frame in the background! Anyone know what it is and if that specific video file is publicly available? Absolutely love the animations that were displayed! Thanks in advance : ) 😊

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

Cary's vocal centers shutting down as he gets visibly upset about the gaming phone argument was pretty funny ngl

[@_thatGuy_87]

IMO you guys got it wrong, if you want to play indie games then get a mid range oled deck, if not then get more power, as much power as humanly possible for an under $800 price point, otherwise why even spend $700??

[@hornantuutti5157]

420+ hard drive. More like 500e for 1tb deck. Thats what i did and if i can finish cyberpunk with it i gues i am pretty damn happy 😁 it is not smart to buy the most expensive one.

[@melmacj2142]

I hope everything ok with Rich too. I’m also not knocking The Claw either but all these manufacturers need to remember the word portable. Until battery tech gets better. Efficiency is key and I agree with Bill at 7-8 inches I don’t need 4K or even 2K and 1080p is pushing it. I need the frame rate and battery. I’m sorry I’m also a steam deck fan fanboy whatever it’s hitting it good.

[@cirmothe9]

I like the linear part of FF13. The way the story was hitting you in rapid succession and the characters were making a focused journey to a certain destination/goal was nice. I actually started losing interest in the game when it opened up. Oh look sidequests, do you want to put your world ending plot on hold while we hunt some monsters?

[@MrDiMaggio5]

Bill did you forget to set your shutter speed?

[@colejensen1035]

I get the argument of efficiency over power in order to have better battery life… But how often are you gaming within a reasonable distance of an outlet? If you are on a train or in a car you might be SOL but I feel like a lot of people use these in an environment where outlets are nearby. Buy a 10 ft usb cable! *This is coming from someone who just put 40 hours into Cyberpunk 2077 at 30W on a plugged in Ally sitting on the couch

[@smidlee7747]

I like my wireless device to be wireless. One of the complaint of the PS5 controller is it's battery life. Of course it close to an outlet but that's the reason I like wireless. I feel you are likely in the minority. I agree Ally is best plugged in like a gaming laptop.

[@QuestionTheTruth]

I had a PS Vita, and that's basically one of the few handheld devices that I have ever owned. PSP Phat, PSP Slim and PS Vita. I have a great deal of handhelds to choose from now, I have a decent computer (7900X & 6700 XT, 64GB RAM and unRaid OS), but when I plan to game I usually get stuck at watching videos on crunchyroll, netflix or youtube or posts on social media platforms when I sit by the computer, even when I plan to game I seem to end up not gaming. "/ I have a lot of small games and emulated games that I would like to play through, but at the stationary computer that rarely happen. "/ So I thought. Oh! Handheld, I'm going to get a Steam Deck. I don't perceive the others as as interesting, because VALVe made a handheld pc that basically has expanded steam controllers, using Linux with Steam Big Picture Mode. Yeah, even if it's outdated in regards to the competition, it's still the only one that I have perceived as interesting. I'm currently saving up my Steam Wallet amount in order to buy the Steam Deck 1TB OLED version. When I had a PS4, I would sit down and I would play, and I want that feeling again ever since my PS4 broke, I could have bought a new or a PS5, but I gave away my PS4 games to my sisters children, and starting anew, didn't feel like a smart plan when I have between 500-600 games for PC while about 100-200 for PS3-PS5. A computer seemed like the only option for me, and the better proton performs the bigger the chance VALVe will release a deck with even better hardware, I don't get it why they don't have their own Steam Machine for sale, they could have a rebranded NUC basically. ;P haha They could sell them in multiple tiers, I know I would, but It would perhaps become more of a 'monopoly' then it already is with it's superb service to the customers. ^^

[@mattcy6591]

Does the Claw come in white? Can we get a White Claw?

[@tomkirbygreen]

Good to see a non AMD based product in this space but on paper at least it’s a complete turn off.

[@AlexRubio]

Not mean. Ultra is horrible product

[@GStatus232]

Dave2d just put out a video

[@bradleymetcalf]

As someone who works on a Mac. Having real thunderbolt is an advantage.

[@magorose7382]

Best of wishes to Rich’s family

[@shakshaka8355]

Just steam deck having steam os beats anything windows based no matter how powerful!!

[@bokidusanic7084]

great show

[@_thatGuy_87]

Feels like lotta people are missing the point of getting these higher end handhelds. They are trying to do something that the deck doesn’t, trade that battery a few people seem to be so fond of even though your not gonna be walking around playing your games even with a handheld, so ur in most scenarios gonna still get the handheld experience while being plugged in, much different than a laptop but with close to equal power Having up to 2 hours only on indie and low quality games is why I’d look into one of those handhelds that don’t even cost as much as the old deck.. why even bother but ay if u get extra money to spend on something you get the deck, which at this point seems obsolete to me. IMO you should go cheaper deck like refurbished or even the oled refurb if u just want to be able to play some of the current (NOT FUTURE) high quality games( and not only emulated or indie or low quality games) or wait for something stronger than rog ally or legion go, cuz they at least seem to be on the right track. If I want a souped up game boy advance I’ll look at the deck if I don’t want to play old man/non gamer games I’ll look at anything stronger. I’m getting old but I can still enjoy new games just as much or usually more than indies or old or just bad quality games, not sure what all this weird stigma is about here

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

Can you please post a 3rd comment that's even longer?

[@user-qh3us7se2z]

Indie games are dominating the market especially on pc lol a lot of people are backing away from the “big time games” and also handhelds other than the switch really aren’t meant for your typical console gamer basically none of them will buy these I feel like these are gaming enthusiast devices mostly through and through and sales for all them reflect this

[@MrREAPERsz]

I'd rather get a laptop if it runs windows

[@MobileTechGaming]

Nothing against subscriptions, but when they take away the option to buy it e.g. adobe or add always online drm. That is what I have issues with.

[@DragunBreath]

All these handheld options are nice to pad out the market, but they all suffer form the same issue to me: They just don't have the back-end support the steam deck does, and never will. Hardware improvements are great and all, but end-user experience and support is more important.

[@BigKurzMD]

For me, the Ally is balanced enough when it comes to Power and battery life. Ive played plenty of games at 10W on the ally and it lasts hours. Obviously less at higher TDP. But for me I’m always near an outlet and with kids/family duties, the battery up time is good enough for me.

[@alphamacguru]

Gimme da power!

[@lilrockstar77]

Do we know that the Intel chip is not revised? It seems like they may have worked with Intel so hopefully they understand the job a little. The reactions make it seem like it’s like for like the same chip as the one in laptops..

[@PartyofNone]

this came out 3 days ago and kerrys never heard of the razer, red magic or rog phone’s

[@Blackbird9070]

Hell yeah dude 🤘🏻

[@Coconutgl]

MSI released a H155 13" laptop, and its gaming performance is worse than 7840u but much more expensive. I wonder how this new handheld has the same issue.

[@killerapp7612]

Valve is my favorite gaming company beating out the incredible Sony first party. Sony releasing their games on Steam doesn't hurt either. I have a 3090 desktop, 4080 laptop, and PS5 and I find myself playing the OLED Steam Deck the most. I don't say this to brag, but to say if you buy a OLED Steam Deck you're going to be experiencing the most impressive tech in gaming in my opinion. To play the same games as a desk top or laptop in the palm of your hands untethered is next level. It sounds like I'm a paid shill, but it really is that good and those Steam sales make me a super fanboy.

[@eccentricbeing]

Playing FFVII Remake too....yeah, there's a lot of tight space traversal. It's like playing Callisto Protocol lol. It's no coincidence that these are UE4 games.

[@mercuriete]

14:20 Solution: SteamOS => linux kernel and anvil mesa driver.

[@garethUK]

Ok so who was it exactly that started the craze of ending every statement with "right?".

[@brianfairchild4665]

I agree with you all on most things, but strongly disagree with the Bill's opinion of wanting a phone to be thing. Give me the thiccest boi out there and 4 days of battery life. Back when you could swap Android phones batteries, I'd buy an after market 10,000 maH battery and carry that brick with me for a week without charging it. It was glorious.

[@Xraided89]

I think these handhelds especially the steam deck and i love the go have us playing older games and indies more ,also bill like how u have a mac ,not alot of people can get that cuz of the price but u wanted the best so i hope the battery is great lol

[@Xraided89]

I am an android guy tho lol thinner more powerful phones on galaxy anyway😅 jk! much love guys

[@MasterOfNoneRomney]

The name reminds me of the Jim Carrey movie liar liar.

[@bmwofboganville456]

No OLED, way worse battery life, more expensive. Only plus is superior at playing AAA 2024 slop.

[@theo5675]

It’s the same performance as the z1 extreme

[@son0fsocal]

I Kinda hope that no other company uses STEAM OS, so far no company has and I don’t think they want to pay VALE, I want it to stay exclusively on SD so it feels special owning a SD, know what I mean?

[@rastamouse7861]

Praying for Rich 🙏

[@brandonkarm9092]

In regards to Intel MeteorLake, there is a reason why desktop SKUs were cancelled.... The efficiency above the 40watt point is not great. I know this is an older episode, but as I go through the Playlist, Me from the future has some I fo that should concern MSI Claw buyers.... Just don't, at this point. Again, there is a reason why OEMs and pc manufacturers are feeling jaded by Intel.... MSI made a bad decision and happens to be big enough to take this loss. Great Show Gents!

[@JoshJohnson-ii5fz]

Msi in there gaming motherboards gpus ect is the dragon its there logo and has been used for over a decade the true name for this handheld would be the Msi Dragon Claw just my two cents

[@Leopardeye]

Geez, so sudden. Rich, I hope everything’s okay, man.

[@ironysteeth]

It be nice if it had steam decks touch pad and a.coupla z buttons on the back. I want something like a rog ally with touch pads. That is to say a windows steam deck. Legion go is just too big.

[@lanedj801]

Msi claw probably uses the OG Xbox claw grip. I’m assuming nvidia has a non compete clause with Nintendo handheld chips.

[@nzxtsnue1139]

you wont make fun of the name once the claw come out

[@bautistavazquez6295]

I remember everyone made fun of amd apus back in 2011 2012 and how mad bulldozer was as an architecture it all paid off PS I was 12 years old back then 😅

[@TheScripflipNetwork]

Peace

[@dtectatl1]

Gaming phones do exist, they have for quite awhile.

[@nrg753]

The CLAAAWWW - Jim Carey 1997

[@jeffhansen3481]

The CLAAAWWW - The aliens in “Toy Story” 1995

[@Argentbuilds]

That Intel statement was so far off reality lol, Intel CPU/apu hold more than half of the desktop market and are optimized by 99% of game developers. To wrap the entire thing into one junk handheld cpu/apu argument is absurd especially considering how incredibly far Intel arc has come. These feel more and more misinformed and misleading each week

[@steelfoe]

I’ll stick with steam deck until other handhelds have steam os. I rather use a buggy steam os on another system before I ever use windows.

[@Wellsy-qr8pb]

So not sure why this is never brought up but as good of a product as the steam deck is if your and fps fan it is basically missing every major title. That is a big factor that is never brought up as those are the most popular games on the planet.

[@NerdNest]

We talk about the games that we play. I guess we don't play those games.

[@ko7gaming470]

Plays a bunch of fps on steam deck Battlefield 4, 5, 1 Titain fall Battle bit remaster Shaddow warroirs Crysis 1,2,3(remakes) Serious sam all of them Doom, Doom enternal Far cry 3, 4 , even 5 blood dragon, What i think you meant to say is... It dont play COD Thats not on the deck that is on microsoft at this point.

[@user-qh3us7se2z]

@@ko7gaming470heck the deck even plays halo all of em the gears games on deck outriders like acting like this system has no MP is stupid lol it jus doesn’t have cod which the community thinks is ass anyways so why should I care lol

[@WeKNOWTHETRUTHITSUNDISTPUTED]

@@NerdNestthat’s fair it’s your channel and it seems like the steam deck plays your favorite games so that’s fair.

[@conchobar]

Power matters for PC handhelds because there is a power threshold requirement to play newer AAA games. Its less about 60fps vs 120fps, and more about 20fps vs 60fps. Despite how awesome the Steam Deck is, several AAA games have been released, that people would like to play on a handheld, that the Steam Deck isn't powerful enough to play. Any game with grinding is great for a handheld, while the major battles and plot points can be played on a big screen or Desktop. So when potential handheld buyers want more power, most are simply asking for modern AAA game compatibility. Prayers go out to Rich.

[@zzzzzap]

Graphical demanding games you play better on your home power pc. These kind of games will be never ideal to play on a handheld. Also not on the rog ally and not on the legion go. So Valve's way is totally right and that's why the steam deck is the most successful pc handheld. There just will be games like the microsoft flight simulator which you better play at home. But to put insane power into a handheld for the few graphical demanding games out there is not smart.

[@smidlee7747]

@@zzzzzap Even Ally hardware is dated when it comes to triple A titles. There are a lot of games where my gaming desktop is overkill and this is where a handheld is ideal. I agree with you for the more demanding games I want to play on more up to date hardware.

[@conchobar]

But you use a handheld when you CAN'T play on a powerful desktop or console. You seem to miss the point of a handheld altogether. The power of it dictates what games you can play. If I can play a AAA game at 40fps with VRR, I'm gaming on par with a PS5 or XSX. Ally users can play Starfield and grind. away, leaving the major battles and narrative plot points for their main rig. On the Steam Deck, you're just SOL.

[@zzzzzap]

@@conchobar No handheld can play ps5 games with high graphic settings and 60 fps. Otherwise it would be a ps5 and no handheld. So you miss the point of a handheld if you think it should be able to play all games. That won’t work. A handheld is for unplugged gaming and so there must be a compromise between battery life and power. And it will never play the games like a power pc. So its better to improve battery life, cause that’s more important than power on a handheld. Otherwise you don’t need a handheld if you are constantly plugged.

[@conchobar]

Many PS5 games don't even play at High settings and 60fps, homie. But that's not the point. The point is to be able to continue playing the games that I play on my desktop rig when away from my desk or living room couch. This high settings 60fps stuff isn't relevant to the conversation. You pretend Steam Deck owners and KZbinrs weren't rejoicing the ability to play God of War and Elden Ring, on the go, at Low settings and 30fps just a year ago. Are you implying that handhelds should be limited to retro and indie gaming? Valve sure didn't create the Steam Deck with that in mind. Bro, stop the cap.

[@jbuggyps2]

FF13 trilogy is already on pc

[@DabstiX]

Tbh im thinking the Xone player with external gpu thats coming out in a second will be much better performing than this claw.

[@WickedFader]

Isn't you saying there's no place for the MSI Claw also goal post moving? (I will explain) My main computer died. mid December. I've used the Deck as a desktop replacement until I just repaired the computer. Other than the 1 USB port bottleneck, the handheld (pre ordered original cheapest Steam Deck, with 1TB hard drive replacement) worked amazingly as a Desktop replacement for my needs (work and play). The 1 USB port was a bottleneck for my monitor setup though. So defiantly not getting another 1 port non pocketable handheld (for my personal goal post needs). But to my surprise, my useage went like this... Use as a desktop computer most of the day and night. Then bring it to bed and game for under half an hour. The Twitch stream I was watching before I would shut down my desk computer would just accompany to my teeth cleaning ritual some nights, which was very convenient and cozy. I really loved having this experience. If not for the 1 USB issue, I would probably stick with it instead of going back to my original desktop. So, with this MSI, and the "stupid power draw". This could work really well for the experience described. If plugged in, it was high power draw, high performance (which the cooling suggests), then when you take it off, it goes to low power draw. But heck, for my half hour of unplugged use a day, then it charges during the day while it's at my desk anyways, honestly a great plan. That being said, I have no interest in the MSI. I have used circle dpads people say were great, and I think they're trash. But also, I am one who has, for the past 8 years been saying I want more power efficiency, not less. My main desktop computer mentioned earlier is a laptop. I use it unplugged 1-2 times a year when I travel only. And though that may seem rediculous to some, to be in the same environment (other then periphrials) when I travel, is SUCH a godsend. I am freelance, which makes a laptop that is 98% of the time a desktop so well worth it for that 2% of the time. So just sharing usages for both a handheld and a laptop that don't align with other peoples needs. I don't care if my laptops have no battery even (though it's nice for a power outage, though I have a battery backup for the desktop setup anyways). They're still great for me even if they must be tethered. However, interesting (and probably true) perspective that Intel may just be throwing money at them for marketing. I agree with your comment about goal post moving being frustrating to engage in. But I don't think that goal post movers will just always move the goal post. Each individual will move the goal post to meet their needs. But collectively, it can feel like no one can make up their minds. But it's really that individuals just have their minds made up about where the post should be. And it can be frustrating where they don't see the use case of it being somewhere else.

[@WalterRiggs]

“Yes, it is more powerful than the Steam Deck… as long as it has power”. I said as I was on hour 3 of my Forza Horizons play on the same charge 😂 The Fawks’ tutorial statement about “the world really opens up after 130 hours” reminds me of some anime fans trying to get me into any anime. “It doesn’t get good till season 5”. No. Just nopity nope. 👎

[@Saif0412]

MSI Claw is a bit disappointing, 6400 Mt ram and 16GB ram would a downer, 32GB would be perfect, Larger battery is good though. I have a feeling the Intel APU is going to chew through battery life. Definitely will be owned by the OLED deck in battery life.

[@Pandoso01]

you like the combat in ff7 remake!! wow, that was the thing that turned me off of that game, wow. pls i must be missing something, the dodge and block mechanics felt both SOOO bad and useless at that point give me turn based instead, ill tank the guarantee dmg every time and play around that. but then i have to do the dumb thing of pausing and going into menus to heal ugh nope it was not for me glad you guys like it. but please I'm all ears pls someone explain to me what i must be missing

[@Anna_Rae]

Better game compatibility because its windows, but worse game compatibility because it's Arc. I think ill keep my steam deck oled

[@MobileDecay]

They asked an Emo kid what to call it and he said”Call it the claw! Make it black and depressed like my life. 😳”

[@fifty2eighty248]

Imagine wanting more than an SD and the Switch 2? SD rules the pc gaming world and that won’t change. If I want a great experience on my tv I will just buy a ps5 pro

[@conchobar]

SD will rule the day until the catalogue of newly released AAA games, its not powerful enough to play, reaches around 10-15. We are at 2 right now (Starfield and Alan Wake 2). That's how it works in pc gaming.

[@smidlee7747]

@@conchobar With the recent sale on Alan Wake 2 already as a new game seems to suggest it didn't sell well.

[@knightofwandss]

@@conchobar ‘How it works in PC Gaming’ is that you play the ten billion games released pre-2023 (as well as every indie thereafter) on your Steam Deck, and play the demanding modern titles (some needlessly so due to garbage optimisation) on your, you know, gaming PC (that you scramble to upgrade every six months due to the aforementioned insidious non-optimisation).

[@bigseek00]

🙏 I hope rich and family is okay

[@Daxiongmao87]

Dude just get a backbone

[@blastu2fool]

Backbone works flawless...I tested it for distance from my home over 100 miles away from my console and it worked playing Spider-Man 2 @ the Best western 😂

[@66kaisersoza]

Finally something different asides from AMD!

[@fohhee]

MSI Flaw