Steam Summer Sale 2023 Is PERFECTLY BALANCED - Infinite Trading Cards = Infinite Free Games

[@-Kidzin]

If Valve ever changes their refund policy for worse we'll know where to point fingers.

[@KairiMorin]

At steam.

[@Jalbesbe]

The easier solution for them would be to stop the sale of steam cards, or connecting the cards to the purchase making it where if you refund the game you must refund the cards with it.

[@KryptoKn8]

​@@KairiMorinat the people abusing the systems in place to help protect the average end user

[@Chromeno]

same thing happened with scammer support, they used to give you your lost items back but people abused it to duplicate items so they stopped :(

[@mastergreenfox6004]

Yeah, at people who would abuse this exploit, not the people who tried to shed light on this so it gets fixed as soon as possible and not left to fester and guarantee that it would be removed for the damages it caused over weeks/months/years instead of a few days.

[@cavehermit5992]

To anyone considering attempting this, keep in mind that Valve’s refund FAQ states that “If it appears that you are abusing the refund system, we reserve the right to revoke access to this feature.”

[@dirpyturtle69]

@@Borgolii they absolutely will revoke access if you abuse the feature, Iv seen people get it revoked because they were using it to just demo games and then refunding them. You have to do it a lot but doing something like In this video would absolutely make them look at your account.

[@GamePilLP]

This. A friend of mine liked buying games to test them and then refund them frequently. After refunding the 10th or so game within the same month, Steam refused his refund request and told him he can't refund anymore due to abusing the feature

[@lululululululu926]

@@GamePilLP Honest question: why not just pirate it to demo instead? It's pretty normal for people to pirate games they're not sure if they like and buy them after playing, then why abuse the refund system instead? Like I know piracy is supposed to be illegal and all but to me abusing a system like this sounds far worse and kinda silly

[@Basuko_Smoker]

@@lululululululu926 risking a virus for a Game that you may not even want to play

[@dankolord]

@@dirpyturtle69 devs fault for not adding a demo (also steam's fault for not forcing devs to add demos)

[@KIA130123]

Steam has a fairly good refund policy. It would feel morally wrong to abuse it in this way.

[@TinyTurdlet]

For real, here we are celebrating the one guy who ruins it all for us. What the fuck are we doin?

[@meki___6881]

Yea feel the same steam is so great how it is would be a Shame if it would be exploited on mass and it was forced to change (Excluding review bombing while it's bad most of it is justified actually in particular the bigger ones are)

[@mastergreenfox6004]

Unfortunately, there are people who would definitely exploit the hell out of this. Which in turn is why it's good that Spiff is the one who caught it. Because he isn't going to stay quiet about it. And also have a good laugh while he's at it too.

[@KIA130123]

@@TinyTurdlet Look, I love Spiff, his exploits and game breaking is hilarious but Steam has been good to me and I don't think it's responsible to make people aware of this.

[@KIA130123]

@@mastergreenfox6004 Well, I guess it's arguable that by making it public knowledge, it'll get fixed quicker but it still doesn't feel right to me.

[@cosmicpiggyVillain]

I can just imagine the valve employees planning for spiff before every summer sales

[@MagicE13]

They did, they faked the Steam Deck Out of Stock.

[@vonweiss7149]

Real

[@FunkeymonkeyTTR]

the guy is a joke no one at valve needs to do that

[@keit99]

Spiffproofing steam is impossible

[@drybrawler]

I mean they make 3 cents for ever 2 he makes on the card, so I can't imagine them being too upset.

[@ShadowReaper8919]

Be warned steam can and do refuse refunds if you abuse the system.

[@jairolivares3015]

Spiffing is a Steam psyop

[@BiggusDingus325]

Lmao. Imagine spending thousands and then steam pulls an uno reverse card like this.

[@alexandercaires5921]

Hence why you use a burner account. Not sure why Spiff didn't say this at the beginning.

[@evantheatheist]

@@alexandercaires5921 you got a burner $850?

[@qwerty60837]

@@alexandercaires5921 burner account won't help when u need first to spent few hundred to get any reasonable money back

[@Strelka_edits]

I think Valve is the only company I wouldn't want to exploit

[@wolf12king17]

Looks at steam library.... yeah im not gonna piss off that beast.

[@sirmeilodas4321]

nintendo?

[@benito9830]

@@sirmeilodas4321 If you like paying for lawsuits, go ahead😂

[@Strelka_edits]

@sirmeilodas4321 , I don't use any Nintendo products but they screw over their fans so I would exploit them

[@The-Blue-Knight]

They are removing support for old os so I'm pissed.

[@davejonacek7934]

We gonna make it outta steam wishlist with this one.

[@thespiffingbrit]

Remember you can now buy the full EU4 DLC For the low cost of your kidney

[@IncredibleGaming]

​@@thespiffingbritoh my god really??? I guess I'm losing one of my kidneys...

[@GarryAndrews_]

@@thespiffingbritOMG! I can get one for me, and one for my friend

[@Maybe_Me_Maybe_Not]

DAMN IT I BOUGHT IT FOR TWO BEFORE THE SUMMER SALE

[@sgador]

@@thespiffingbrit would a testicle work i already sold my kidneys

[@Rhalion]

You're actually helping Valve make money with this, money comes from whoever buys these trading cards, steam gets a small amount for each transaction, you get cards by spending money, then that money is refunded but the cards remain, then someone spends their money for these made up cards and valve will get a small amount from it. Since your steam wallet is actually Valve's money, the money circulates in a closed loop ending in Gabe's wallet.

[@thespiffingbrit]

indeed! This is why I think it is rather unlikely to get patched swiftly

[@attilavs2]

Gabe is really a 4D chess master

[@Gimmegames4free6942]

Steam making their own cryptocurrency side hustle

[@Narque]

not valves money if i buy a tf2 skin or csgo skin and sell it on a 3rd party website for money on paypal XD

[@BUCZOL]

@@Narque but you gonna sell steam trading card to acquire cs go skin

[@Superschokokeks]

Getting those refund policies we have nowadays was a painful path. Abusing it so they may change it would be incredible frustrating

[@lola-to9om]

just buy the games that you want instead there is no need to refund

[@powerdude6835]

@@lola-to9om well sometimes it turns out its sh*t so that doesnt work.

[@iPlayDotaReligiously]

​@@lola-to9om2023 game runs smoothly on release? Rare.

[@Flitzpiepe3000]

remember when you were able to resell the games you owned?

[@iPlayDotaReligiously]

@@Flitzpiepe3000 nah im too old for that shit

[@EmporerDragon]

Just to point out, if you need to sell a bunch of cards, don't go to the market page. Instead go to the badge page and click on the card's game badge entry. On there there's an option saying "sell these on the market". From there, you can bulk list the cards all at one price.

[@silphone]

You can also bulk sell any other item from your steam inventory, including those from games. Just modify the bulk sell link to include the game id and item name of whatever you want to sell instead. Works wonders for mass selling things like csgo or tf2 cases.

[@jcdenton4685]

god bless you sir for that information

[@rhabeldibabeldi6812]

you are the hero we needed, thank you!

[@D1.y]

Well, I use add-ons for this

[@why_i_game]

@@D1.y What add-ons?

[@ak-t7d6f]

Warning: If you abuse the refund feature too much Steam can eventually remove your ability to refund any game. I got a warning once and didn't refund any games since then.

[@GamingDad]

How many games did you try to refund?

[@MrMali22]

You still can you just have to give it a break. I've gotten the warning like 6 times because I use the 2 hour feature as intended

[@MrMali22]

​@GamingDad doesn't take many I think I did 6 in a few days. Got a bad streak of games I didn't like

[@JunJunisKing]

i have 2000+ games on my account, whenever i buy a bunch of games, i usually refund around half of them(to paypal), have yet to receive a warning.

[@celdina]

Have gotten an warning from time to time when I've refunded for various reasons - but within a month or two (can't say for sure) the message disappears if I've not refunded during that window (and I have had the warning like 4 times in a row from, well, not abusing the system but simply using it - and still everything was fine) use it within reason and you will be treated... reasonably

[@mathiasrubarth7430]

Your dedication to exploits is commendable, yet I cannot shake the feeling that a day’s work would be both easier and more profitable.

[@spayced]

Reminds me of that old video about WoW which is a gold farming guide but really just shows you how to get a job lol

[@redactedcanceledcensored6890]

unless you live in the Balkans...

[@fastshovel7036]

@@redactedcanceledcensored6890 ? I live in the balkans as well so could you elaborate what you mean?

[@iPlayDotaReligiously]

​@@fastshovel7036LMAO

[@poika22]

@@redactedcanceledcensored6890 If you live somewhere poor enough that an actual job wouldn't earn money faster than this, then it's unlikely you have a few thousand dollars/euros sitting on your bank account you'd be able to tie up to Steam waiting for the refunds.

[@birdup1_2]

Tfw the price of all these trading cards become a 50th of a cent because of the insane volume

[@thespiffingbrit]

Would not surprise me if they all collapse to 3p in the next few hours

[@nioinsane]

@@thespiffingbrit Already on 3p. Exploite exploited by the market volume. Auto fix aay lmao

[@seekerhunts]

Buy them all en masse, then sell them at slight profit

[@BidoMaggot]

@@seekerhunts how profit with steam 0.03$ tax

[@randomzocker8956]

​@@nioinsaneso steam makes 2 cents on every 1 cent u make from this exploit... I see now loss for stean with this

[@deltalord6969]

We knew that once a steam summer sale came around thespiffingbrit would find a way to exploit the economy to generate infinity positive emotions out of it.

[@mauer1]

he made more money with the video already, compared to the amount of money he made from the exploit lol.

[@arthurclery5731]

I have a slightly different perspective on this "exploit." When we buy games during the summer sale, we earn virtual steam trading cards that cost nothing for Valve to make. Now, here's the interesting part: when people purchase these trading cards on the community market, they're actually putting money into Steam and paying Valve's market tax. Then, the money we receive from selling those cards is reinvested in the Steam store on other games. So, it's not really taking money away from Steam, but rather creating a cycle that brings in more money overall. It's an intriguing aspect of the system that benefits the platform itself, so honestly, they don’t even really have a need to patch it. You’re essentially just doing labour for people who want to level up their steam account with trading cards and Valve is profiting all the way.

[@Lars_Hermsen]

it's probably in a legal gray area/just straight up illegal. As you said, steam is facilitating the generation of money and profiting off of it, so it's essentially just printing money for itself. With exploits like this, you're essentially generating nothing out of thin air and selling that nothing, which steam takes 2 cents from. So, if valve lets this continue while knowing about this issue, they're essentially printing money, which is illegal iirc. It may be beneficial for them, but it's probably legally very sketchy.

[@Vysair]

I just remembered that you can buy a hardware on steam like their Deck and VR

[@its_fabled]

This may not be entirely true. The practice lowers the value of the trading cards when done in an excessive way. This doesn't directly damage the revenue of Valve because their share for each transaction is already at the lowest possible amount (0.02€) for the event cards. But you can also generate Steam gems by destroying the cards. So, the price for sacks of Steam gems on the market would go down and for this transactions, the Valve share for each transaction is >0.02€. So it could go down to 0.02€ which could damage the revenues for Valve. I know, probably just peanuts in the end and maybe people would start to buy more gems but yeah, this just crossed my mind.

[@xfusionx6988]

@@__Agony_ nah he spent wayyyy more, from the 800 he only got like 2 pounds

[@arthurclery5731]

@@its_fabled The value per transaction will decrease, but bear in mind this only happens because the number of transactions increases, so the number of dollars flowing into the steam economy increases. When a card is created, value is created. This value does not come from Valve, but from the buyer who decides to exchange their IRL cash into Steam dollars, at which point Valve profits.

[@squiddle5193]

I never would have imagined that Paradox's excessive DLC catalogue would ever benefit someone financially, of all things.

[@KaszaKaszel]

Well except the Paradox obviously xD

[@Skilliard]

If you refund games too often, Valve cuts off your account from being allowed to refund. Be careful with this or you could end up with $800 of games you don't want lol.

[@Dell-ol6hb]

yea I'd never actually attempt this for such minute gain

[@angel_of_rust]

idk man, just check out gameplays of the game before buying it? normal people wouldn't buy things without knowing what they wanna buy.

[@JaCrispy3060]

That sounds like the ultimate troll

[@HamidKarzai]

@@angel_of_rust games could look fun in videos and turn out to be not so fun. Or they could run badly or not at all on your system. Unconditional refunds are extremely useful, consumer friendly and plainly good.

[@EAGYSL]

Is it known how much is too often I often try new games and when I don't like it refund it (I use the refund system as a glorified demo) because of that I easily refund 4-5 games per year but I probably still buy more than I refund.

[@ItsJabo]

I’m so embarrassed to be that ONE friend who owns Redfall at 3:45 😅

[@thespiffingbrit]

Get publicly shamed!

[@justinsgun00]

@@thespiffingbrit should pin it for public shaming purposes?

[@ZakisHereNow]

Holy crap, I thought you were joking. For shame, Jabo!

[@inserttitlehere9713]

Ohh nooo. Someone owns Redfalllll. The shaaammee (sarcasm). btw it was and is completely free on game pass and predownloading it before it launched got you the dlc for free. "Game bad because expensive and I regret paying way too much money for it :("

[@AsmodeusMictian]

@@inserttitlehere9713 Hi! XBGP member here! You're right, you CAN install it for free! Then you too can experience the dogshit gameplay, laughably fucked up enemy AI, garbage story line, and utter rubbish in general that is Redfall. Hey, at least you didn't have to waste money on purchasing the game, right? I will point out that you still have to burn up some bandwidth and electricity to download and install it, oh and HD space. It's not worth the fucking hard drive space, just saying. P.S. I DID in fact pre-install that game because I thought it looked awesome! Imagine my surprise and disappointment when I fired up the game and literally stood on the other side of a car from a vampire and it had no clue where I was. I deleted it shortly after attempting to play it. Took me days to get the stink off my SSD. :(

[@Timocracy]

At this point, GabeN should be personally writing Spiff a check for "auditing" Steam for "balance" and "inexploitability".

[@MrJoeDone]

This "exploit" brings money to steam. And they don't need towork for that, exery card exchange gives them free money, while you need to put in work to make the "exploit" work

[@yyflame]

@@MrJoeDonenot really, steam eats the credit card/banking fees on every refund. So this probably results in a net loss for them

[@MrJoeDone]

@@yyflame hm haven't considered that

[@arxci9402]

I highly doubt he figures these out by himself just saying

[@kroooassant9899]

I think that it is very easy to fix, Valve just would just have to offer the goodies after the refund policy expires.

[@thespiffingbrit]

Welcome back to the yearly tradition! *Hi Valve nothing to see here! Just a happy youtube video nothing suspicious at all!* (Worth sharing with your friends before they fix it swiftly :D) *AND BE CAREFUL, VALVE MAY END UP REFUSING REFUNDS IF THEY SUSPECT ABUSE!!!*

[@IncredibleGaming]

:o

[@TraditionThat]

hello

[@Theguineachannel]

Free money yay

[@SuperCreeper990]

nothing to see

[@mister_bomb7777]

It's time for a minor amount of trolling.

[@DanielIlha]

It's worth pointing out that this morning exploit does not hurt steam or developers (too much, it can crash the trading card marked or make some wonky charts, plus it costs them transaction fees) all of the profit comes from other people buying the cards.

[@yura37]

judging by the time it takes to do this, the risk of it getting patched midway, the waiting time, and the investment capital, youre better off working a few hours at almost any job than going through with this.

[@christianmartinez6161]

Yea he spent way too much time for like 3 dollars each time

[@Robjec53]

True, but Spiff makes his money by making a funny video. So it is profitable for him. I think (hope?) everyone commenting on this is in on the joke. If not they will learn fast lol.

[@sambrandon8178]

also, if steam sees you are doing this from your refund history, solid chance you get your whole account banned/ cant buy from the store anymore

[@JohnSmith-bs9ym]

Seriously, I was thinking exactly this! You're spending like, what, 4 hours to earn $40? lmao

[@B3ASTLYPLAYZ]

@@JohnSmith-bs9ym Steam refunds take a while sometimes even more than 24 hours so.......make what u want with this information

[@czalon]

well, this is definitely going to crash the summer trading cards economy, and as a buyer, I'm all for it.

[@notverifiable3731]

Why do people buy those?

[@Karak971]

Acting like the economy doesn't already crash day 2 of the sale

[@gab9433]

@@notverifiable3731 lvl up steam acc

[@EEEEEEEE]

‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎E

[@gilney.mathias]

@@notverifiable3731 I wish i knew too... First time seem those cards 😅

[@minibula5139]

When u are selling a lot of steam cards at once there is a faster way. U go into the card and go into the badge and from there u should be able to list all of the same cards at once. If u knew it earlier it could have saved u a lot of time. Keep this in mind if u ever do a card exploit or u just have a lot of them that u wan t to sell.

[@planetbob6703]

4:40 "So many fantastic opportunities for fun to be had! (And also Redfall is there...)" I can hear the excitement!

[@jayhom5385]

That had me dying.

[@hhfggvogtthehy6451]

At this point, Spiffing would probably be the best scammer in history.

[@thespiffingbrit]

on an unrelated note why not become a channel member

[@hhfggvogtthehy6451]

@@thespiffingbrit Sorry, pal. I’m broke.

[@andromidius]

Perhaps he is, and has just never been caught.

[@thespiffingbrit]

@hhfggvogtthehy6451 hey dude hope your financial situation improves in the future

[@abhiigg]

​@@thespiffingbritthat sounds like a scam

[@gardian06_85]

Efficiency trick: when you have multiple trading cades from a specific title (anything that you can combine to get an emote/wallpaper/badge) instead of selling each one individually, you can click "View Badge progress" and in that menu there is an option to "Sell these cards on the Market" which gives you a separate interface showing you for each card: Quantity to sell (pre-populated with "quantity owned" value), quantity 'owned', name (with picture), and most importantly 2 text boxes similar to the sell individually window,("You Recieve" and "Buyer Pays") but pre-populated with the highest current "Buy Order" meaning you only need to enter the target price once for each card, and agree to the subscribe agreement once for listing all of them at once. taking a few hours of manually going through the process individually for each card especially at 100+ cards, down to a few seconds for each "title"

[@newgroundguy123]

You can actually speed up the selling of cards in your inventory if you click on a card and then "View Badge Progress" You then get the option near the top to Sell these cards on the market, and then can bulk sell any cards you have all at once without doing so individually.

[@donkanaillesc5714]

he had to stretch the video to over 10 minutes somehow...

[@MohaDou]

@@donkanaillesc5714 exactly 😂

[@Pancake_Nix]

When I was watching I thought he was trolling at first... but it seems he did in fact spend several hours tediously listing each card individually >_< I really hope he sees your comment so he will know what a waste of time that was xD

[@Jacob-pu4zj]

When I saw the trading card feature on the Store page, I said to myself, "that's something Spiff will surely abuse this summer." Now here we are.

[@Alex-cd3lr]

Holy shit, you actually did say that! Source: I was the keyboard!

[@sheeshert]

They've done it every year for a while, why'd you just say it this year?

[@OvAeons]

@@sheeshert Yeah i was just thinking: But i have seen the cards from purchases for a looong while now... What's lame is the lack of minigames now a days :T

[@wiljagerhardt1219]

@@Alex-cd3lr yea i was the mouse he did say it

[@littlerixk1025]

palmetto Moon !

[@ModWolf682]

Next time you do a card selling one. Best way to bulk sell cards is to click on a card and above the "Turn into Gems" Button you can click on View badge progress. Once you do that there is a button to "Sell these cards on the Market button". If you click on that you can bulk sell all those cards, Adjust the QTY and prices and hit create listing at the bottom. Will save you a ton of time :P

[@domoslomo1]

You just KNOW that Valve is constantly monitoring this channel every summer.

[@maxx0r050]

How funny would it be if he put out a fully faked video which shows a non existent exploit and the steam devs cannot reproduce it.

[@xaf15001]

​@@maxx0r050video for whenever summer somehow happens on April Fools

[@HeisenbergFam]

I find it amazing how Spiff turned finding bugs & exploits into a successful career admired by many

[@thespiffingbrit]

It is very heart warming to hear stories from people in QA and bug testing being inspired by some of my mad experiments. It is a really fun line of work that I am happy to be bringing some attention to in my own silly little ways

[@HeisenbergFam]

​@@thespiffingbritgreat to hear, you are great fam, have a good one

[@bloepje]

I love this. To be clear, this is not really free games, because if you have time to do this, you could probably better spend 2 hours at a mcdonalds or worse and work for less than minimum wage and earn more than you would in the time you used trying to sell all the free trading cards. As a matter of fact, the more you do this, the less you will earn because you will basically kill the market with these. So if you are still willing to do this, you have earned it!

[@Pancake_Nix]

Erm... you can sell the entire series of cards with two clicks... but yes, if you do it like Spiff, you're better off doing literally any work that pays cash and you'll get a better hourly wage :D

[@qwart22]

Ye but I have way too severe anxiety to go out and get an interview for a job

[@homoerectus3355]

@@Pancake_Nix doesn’t matter if it takes 2 clicks the crazy part is actually spending all the money on games in the first place even if you request a refund

[@glitchy_weasel]

An easy fix for Valve would be to not let you trade the cards until the refund period of the corresponding game has passed, so yeah I think we would see a patch very soon.

[@Vincent_Beers]

Which is how it works for normal trading cards. You have to actually play the games to get game specific cards and until your account has achieved a trusted state you won't get cards until you've played more than 2 hours. Event cards like this are the only ones you can still exploit like this. It used to be possible to do it with all of them, but they fixed that half a decade ago when they also removed free games from having trading cards because those were also being mass exploited by burner accounts.

[@leonro]

An alternative is to make you repurchase the cards you sold and return them as well, or to take your earnings from the game's cards off of the total refund.

[@Lindsey_Lockwood]

easier fix is to deny your refund and keep your 1000$ good luck fighting them for the money

[@BierBart12]

Steam's refund policy has saved my life a couple of times. I was able to refund some big games I didn't play years ago so I could pay for food and water

[@Margen67]

Ducks need HUGS

[@Wave_Duck]

@@Margen67 agreed

[@SerfinBird]

Out of curiosity, how long ago was that? They've tightened their rules in the past few years saying they won't allow refunds on a game purchased over a week or two before requesting the refund.

[@BierBart12]

@@SerfinBird A few months ago was my biggest refund spree, but it's worked every time before too

[@aqbar135]

I think maybe they fix this? Bcs after seeing ur comment, I definitely look back into my couple games that I played < 1 hours and steam said 'cant refund games that are older than 14 days in your account'

[@dododede875]

It’s insane how you find all these exploit. I remember doing one of your exploit during summer sales lol

[@afeathereddinosaur]

I can never buy stuff from the Steam Summer Sale before watching Spiff's yearly steam exploit.

[@notenoughmonkeys]

I first tried speed running the bible on the Genesis way back in the day, but now I'm able to get it through Steam, being able to finally finish it is an absolute revelation.

[@tokeivo]

I see what you did there.

[@kapothegod]

props i guess for figuring it out, but as others have said Steam actually has a pretty fair refund policy and it’s videos like this with a million views in a few days that could end up ruining what was a good thing.

[@MadMikael]

Ah a yearly tradition... Spiff releases an exploit video on the summer sale... shortly thereafter (and completely unrelated of course) the steam store starts having brief technical issues xD

[@andreas360]

Might wanna use Steam's multisell feature when selling them cards next time

[@crgraduu]

Can you multisell trading cards?

[@danjal87nl]

@@crgraduu Ya, you could sell all cards associated with any given badge at once for example if you got 100+ summer sale cards

[@mokomak1]

People worried about the refund policy and taking advantage on Steam seem to forget when you sell the card for £0.05 each and get £0.03, Steam is also getting £0.02 essentially joining in the free money printing.

[@SamHancke]

The funny thing is that this is mainly an infinite money glitch for Valve too. they made no game sales, but took 0.02pounds off of each sale. The only people losing money in this exploit are people buying the cards

[@Dadsezso]

I'm not sure they'd make that much from it, if anything at all. Maybe even lose money. If people use credit cards to make these purchases, even if refunded the business (Valve in this case) still has to pay credit card fees on their end for accepting the card for the purchase(s).

[@SamHancke]

@@Dadsezso I believe these transactions are paid off of Steam balance so there's no transaction fees to speak of as far as I know. They might lose overall due to the refunds of the games though... interesting

[@thomasjefferson6528]

Love your content spiff please never go away ❤

[@thespiffingbrit]

As an immortal it is rather challenging to go away :)

[@NeoRacer]

@@thespiffingbrit 24 hour stream?

[@thomasjefferson6528]

@@thespiffingbrit thank the Yorkshire gods 🙏🙏

[@resileaf9501]

The Valve contract killers are on the hunt.

[@mugnasson]

@@thespiffingbrit You misspelled immoral. Hah! Good on ya mate, great content as always!

[@basnyr]

Someone somewhere didn't think this through with the refunds. Glorious video.

[@derptyderp5287]

In the next video Spiff will be buying up all the cheap Summer trading cards and selling them for a profit, teaching us about insider trading via the Steam marketplace.

[@Provokatze23]

They can decline your refund if you do it too often in a short amount of time, keep that in mind.

[@kroooassant9899]

Yes or simply only give the gift cards only after the refund policy expires, it's no big deal but Valve is suprising sometimes I am asking myself how did they let that to happen? In the mean time there are not a lot of people out there who will have enough time to do that, time is precious and more precious than this exploit it just sounds like a waste of time to me I'd rather have a day working at a job than doing this just looks miserable.

[@hoovy2319]

Valve breaks into a cold sweat every time the steam summer sale rolls around just because Spiffs on the prowl

[@poika22]

Considering that anyone who's ever bought a game on Steam and sold the cards just to get rid of that notification has probably thought of this "scam", I'm pretty sure Valve employees have too.

[@danielkelsosmith]

I’ve been waiting for this for opportunity for years. Finally being on time before stuff is patched

[@danielkelsosmith]

Nevermind. I don’t have €800 pounds to burn

[@thespiffingbrit]

I mean realistically at least £8 is enough you would just have to spend more time of the loop refunding. Thanks to some very lovely patreons I get to bypass a good chunk of that loop

[@AvenFurness]

@@thespiffingbrit thing is tho valve would get extremely suspicious if you decided to buy and refund the same game about 100 times lol

[@thespiffingbrit]

indeed. Hence why we used multiple accounts, cards and games.

[@HHirohito]

​@@AvenFurnessI'm fairly certain you can refund each game only once

[@williamwall4444]

How you keep finding ways to perfectly balanced everything is amazing🙂😳

[@Robonator14]

FYI, there is a browser extension, i think its called steamhelper, which lets you automate the selling process.

[@StarlightSoda]

I'm fairly certain this was possible in past sales, but not necessarily worth the hassle, due to their being better exploits.

[@Mirvra]

Possible, but not worth doing and takes too long. Summer sale ''works'' because the cards are limited time only, TONS of Steam users will be trying to buy cards as fast as possible, so you can sell quite a boatload of cards for a tiny return on the capital you have to use to get all the cards. It's basically a ''Rich get richer'' style thing, you need a ton of capital as your earning potential increases the more capital you dump into it, and it only takes money from other Steam users, giving you AND Steam income (Remember, Steam gets a cut out of every trading card sold).

[@evellior]

I don't think Valve will mind because they're still making money out of this. Steam generated a card, which cost them nothing to do, then gave that card to you and you sold it to another person. At most they lost the transaction fees, but that would have easily been covered by the cut they took from those sales on the marketplace (the difference between the 5c price and 3c you received).

[@leakingamps2050]

Transaction fees are usually a % of total cost, so I suspect this will be a minor loss for them.

[@kbhasi]

This somehow reminds me of people on my local classifieds who would claim to have cheap Nintendo Switch games, but would mask the fact that they were selling hacked and/or compromised Nintendo accounts as selling accounts is against the ToS for that account system. From what I can tell, someone on the same website got their console permanently banned from online features for logging into one of those sold accounts, and the seller forced them to leave positive feedback before they could get the credentials to the account. I'm glad I avoided such scams. As far as I know, Nintendo do have measures in place to detect unusual account activity, like which users signed in on which consoles in which locations, as well as if too many consoles try to sign in to the same account, and if the primary console on one account kept changing. As such, I think Valve have measures to detect abuse of Steam refunds and may be able to ban Steam accounts if users keep abusing their refund system.

[@dylansteigerwaldart5564]

I love how Spiff posted this on the national holiday of America so that all of Valve's American employees are off work and can't do anything about this hahaha

[@irok1]

The most British -scam- exploit ever

[@bishielurfer]

That's not how that works. Not all companies close on holidays. Companies that need constant customer support available still have people working on holidays, it's just usually less of them. But a company like valve is going to always have people available to take care of issues that can't wait.

[@----.__]

@@bishielurfer There will be customer support staff but they're unable to do anything to the backend of steam itself.

[@mastergreenfox6004]

I like to imagine that Spiff has caused a new position to open up in Valve where every "Sale Event" has someone placed on "Spiff KZbin Scanning" duty where they have to check every hour on the hour for a new video pertaining to their Steam Sale as a means of damage control when Spiff finds an exploit. They already ruled out it being an "if", they know at this point Spiff *will* find something, they just want to catch it as fast as possible for the "when" it happens.

[@discovolante6624]

yeah real good video, keep pushing steam like this so they end up removing the refund option ya bloody mupet!

[@adamantii]

I cant wait for the "The Bible is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits" video

[@RedGreene]

Spiff, I wish you would put more disclaimers in your videos. There are probably people out there that are going to try this and not get their money refunded or that are expecting to be able to get all of their money back out of the platform when they may only be able to get it added to their Steam wallets. If Valve allowed everyone to get refunds willy-nilly they'd lose money from the transaction fees. If they are only refunding the money back into your wallet then they still have possession of the funds and the expectation that that money will likely never be withdrawn. I feel like this could be pretty damaging given that this video will encourage individuals to purchase hundreds or even thousands of dollars worth of games.

[@DarkachuWasTaken]

Absolutely deserved

[@SC2Barbarian]

Refunds are always directly to your credit card though, aren't they?

[@Paul-lx1cg]

@@SC2Barbarian not always but usually. Valve says that they can decide to refund it to your steam wallet for any reason.

[@bydlaq]

If they stiupid enough to exploit that. Wel deserved.

[@BWA85]

But he very clearly says "this exploit may be patched so do it at your own risk" If you are then Darwin enough try it and you get stuck with games you didn't want, you deserve the award.

[@EvenFlow391]

I'm glad that all the top comments are saying something along the lines of "please don't make Valve have to change their refund policy". Don't be a jerk and actually do what this video is showing you. Plus, Valve is a pretty good company. I don't want to abuse or exploit them.

[@nayuta_23]

Next episode to come : "tax report is perfectly balanced". where Spiff exploits a glitch to get infinite tax refunds. I'm waiting forward for this one lol

[@MortimerNova]

I don't normally do this but I'm willing to share my hot bible speedrun strats. Also thanks for the feature ❤

[@rubennicholls4801]

is this the madlad that speedran bible??

[@pallav8725]

@@rubennicholls4801 indeed he is

[@toughsun2704]

Mort vs Spiff live speedrun challenge when?

[@ZomBieKingTK]

Spiff, "I love docking." Me, "yeah I bet you do."

[@GottaSnipe]

Ahh the yearly steam summer sale exploit. I've been waiting for this one spiff, I hope next year's is just as good

[@deaderror3660]

Given how the "free" money comes from other people and keeping in mind the interactions with the steam store that this video causes, means that Valve is probably profiting off of Spit posting this

[@Mirvra]

Yup, the only 'risk' to Steam is that there might be a small public backlash against them for the de-value'ing of the cards this 'flooding the market' does. Though I doubt any court would bother treating the Steam Marketplace with even a fraction of the laws that regard the Stock Market.

[@mastergreenfox6004]

You do realize inflation exists and Valve makes money off of trades right? So if inflation happens immediately and trading drops because nobody needs the cards Valve massively loses money from the lack of high value trades that will basically turn into no value trades.

[@G0A7]

They would gain much more if they revoke ur right to a refound, that way they sold a lot of games instead a 1 cent comission for a card

[@jaspermooren5883]

@@mastergreenfox6004 Technically yes, but since it is an exploid that requires a huge buy in and results in very little profit over quite a lot of work I very highly doubt that will happen. People who can spend 1000s of pounds on games to refund them for the cards are not gonna spend quite a few hours to get like 50 bucks. And the people who would spend hours to get 50 bucks are not going to have the money to do this even remotely efficiently. So unless it is easily to bot (which I have no idea if it is), this doesn't work at all for basicially everyone.

[@Infinite_Ouroboros]

@@jaspermooren5883 People themselves won't manually do this. The problem is that there will be people who set up bots to automate this process and run it 24/7, have dozens, maybe even hundreds of bot accounts running this at once and voila, they will be generating thousands of dollars every day. Collect enough money to buy an expensive CSGO skin and sell on a third party market for real and clean currency. Yes, the same kind of people doing this will be using stolen credit cards so "1000s of pounds" doesn't mean anything. See the problem now?

[@aFFCorp]

You can sell all cards in like 1 min through the badge place by clicking "sell these cards on the market" so you don't have to do it 1 by 1 and it immediately sets the price automatically to the one on the market making all this so much quicker to perform :)

[@comtruise402]

Can we all take out a moment of our time to thank the good folks over at Paradox Interactive (and Creative Assembly to a lesser extent) for inadvertently facilitating this? They are friends in need indeed.

[@Veitclub]

If it wouldn't be for Paradox we'd have to buy all The Sims 4 DLCs for just about 800€. On Steam Sale.

[@nuggy9597]

I love how he has no issue with performing almost illegal loopholes

[@adifferentname]

"Almost" is an important qualifier.

[@swaggadash9017]

​@@adifferentnameIt's definitely illegal. Theft and fraud come to mind 😂

[@hivehusk5643]

@@swaggadash9017technically, he’s paying money to get the money back plus a small amount. which sounds like interest. so steam is a bank.

[@Mirvra]

There's actually nothing really ''illegal'' about it though? 🤔 Technically he's printing trading cards, flooding the trading card market with his printed cards, all while providing Steam with a cut of the of profits. I don't even think you can call it fraud since Steam cards have no ''This is an authetic trading card!'' thing... Maaaaybe market manipulation, IF you stretch the definition of 'the market' to include Steam's trading card marketplace... Though not likely since the laws refer to the stock market. The worst thing that can happen would be that Steam's lawyers would be sweating and telling Steam to stop him since there's some small potential that enough users buying the ''printed cards'' and complaining might be able to scratch Steam's reputation. 🤔

[@RoulicisThe]

@@swaggadash9017 All the tools he's using for this "exploit" are made readily available by the plateform itself. It's not illegal, it's just using all the cards at it's disposal extremely well

[@inkblooded1058]

I mean, super easy solution to this: Impose a timer onto cards so that they cannot be sold or traded in when earned this way till after the refund period has expired. None of these things are time sensitive, so adding this restriction would only minorly inconvenience people, while also keeping their fair and reasonable refund policies in place.

[@mmaster-sk]

For future exploits of trading cards that are part of sale badge - you can go to badge progress and there is button to sell all the cards in one page.

[@GScottActing]

Factoring in UK minimum wage at £10.18, Spiff made as much money as four hours' work. How long did it take you to put all those trading cards up on the market, Spiff?

[@maskettaman1488]

Anyone doing this seriously would just write a script to do it using steam's API. The entire process (except refunds maybe?) could be automated

[@thespiffingbrit]

@@maskettaman1488 there is a website that already can do it. So you could realistically repeat what I did in easily half the time

[@PlaythroughArchive-fv9wu]

@@thespiffingbrit So you're going to give some random website access to your steam account to do this? Yeah, right...

[@Squilliam2314]

While I don't wanna risk getting my ability to refund revoked I am glad I found out you can sell badges I always ignored them

[@jobbib5024]

Go team Corgi! That was the best sale ever.

[@nakano15]

Team Corgi is too mainstream. Team Hare was the best.

[@jobbib5024]

@@nakano15 If y'all were the best you would have won.

[@swenpai]

@@jobbib5024 damn you didn't have to do homie like that 💀

[@nakano15]

We didn't won because Team Corgi was too saturated XD.

[@jobbib5024]

@@nakano15 It's "win" not "won." Use correct grammer. Part of winning is recruitment. If Hare was the best more people would have joined.

[@simplycrusade]

I've followed so many of Spiffings exploits on Steam and have caused so much tomfoolery to the point where Steam even denies my refunds. So there's that lol

[@wolty_]

Well yeah thats in valve's FAQ. Its something like "If you exploit Steam, we might reduce your access to some stuff"

[@JustJanGG4]

Valve are actuelly the ones using the infinit money glitch. Since they are taking a cut from each steam market transaction the ones getting scammed/exploited are the people buying the cards.

[@TheChocolatBlanc]

I’ve learned that when TheSpiffingBrit uploads I must click as soon as possible on his video, for my own benefit.

[@jbbresers]

Valve could fix this but they aren't actually losing any money. For the £40 you made, they made £20 from their cut of the trading card sales.

[@s.z.9517]

"The Bible is PERFECTLY BALANCED' would be an epic title.

[@l3en.]

This seems like a ridiculous amount of effort for such a small payoff

[@thespiffingbrit]

Spent a good few days of work for £40 so yes I do agree. But it is honestly part of the fun of my job just to make money appear from thin air in weird ways

[@BobOrKlaus]

well, i guess if you want to scam steam, this is the way tho they are pretty much the good guys in the gaming storefront market so idk if thats a good idea

[@xCestLaVie1]

Would you need to do this like 40x? Just say you get 65 cards and each sell net for 2 cents, you'd need to do this way too many times.

[@FallenCreed]

Another marvelous and perfectly balanced exploit! Love your videos Mr. Yorkshire Tea man ❤

[@Margen67]

Geese need HUGS

[@JauStudioFR]

Nothing better than Steam Deck ❣ I'm even watching this perfectly balanced channel on my Steamdeck ! 👌

[@DanyF02]

This seems like more work than just having a job.

[@clray123]

Yup, unless you are SpiffingBrit who gets his pay from making a video about this.

[@nick5839]

You never know man, what if it’s legitimately easier for someone in a third world country to get a steam deck this way lol

[@DanyF02]

@@nick5839 I'm sure they'll have no problem getting the initial investment...

[@thegodhoward8037]

Valve probably has somebody on payroll just to watch this guys videos😂

[@thespiffingbrit]

they do and his name is Jeremy

[@thegodhoward8037]

@@thespiffingbrit it just works

[@ninopino12]

Don't be mad at Spiff, hes the reason that Steam can FIX this issue 48h after watching this video and not have it get abused by randoms for weeks or months instead!

[@KingCrayon420]

I have little of value to say that others have not said already. Neat as this is, I would hate for Steam to use this as an excuse to take away the ability to refund a game or add all sorts of hoopla to the process. Anti-consumer actions by companies in almost every industry are so common now that even the simple ability to return something within given specific parameters feels like some kind of blessing. It's sad that this is where we are, but I'm thankful for what little is still allocated to us as consumers.

[@axelprino]

This feature has existed for years now, if you refund too frequently they'll simply deny your refunds, there's a reason why this is still a thing. Also, the summer cards are literally generated from thin air for doing stuff like going through the discovery queue or crafting badges, Valve is profiting from this by taking a bite of every card sold. All you're doing is redirect money from the users buying the cards to your account. I kinda hate you for helping crash those cards' value faster than usual tho, I was wondering why the price suddenly tanked last night.

[@DaftknightLP]

the point of a cod point is for activision to make more money while you transfer your perfectly good money into their currency at a loss

[@kayleepaylee5548]

Idk banking on Steam actually refunding you all of those purchases seems very risky since they do refuse to refund if they suspect you're abusing the system

[@jacobjericho1]

Steam has warned me before for refunding too much without keeping a purchase before. Don't think you could get away with this for long

[@mracke47]

HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS SHIT(bb ref)

[@andrewhazlewood4569]

Emotional damage from tea being thrown in the Boston Harbour has been passed down the generations to The Spiffing Brit

[@Pancake_Nix]

Spiff... you actually sold all of your cards one by one???? Oh, my... that's dedication. Btw, there's an option to sell the lot of them by the click of a button 😅 Just view *badge progress* and click *sell these cards on the market* and bam! All of them are automatically listed, and you wouldn't have to waste hours of your life >_

[@roniusadethel9768]

I wouldn't do this one. It's a large amount of risk for extremely minimal returns. After this video, the returns will be even smaller, only 1 cent per card after fees. Then all of your cards will eventually just disappear.

[@esnichso3316]

There is an easier way to sell the cards all at once. When you go into your inventory and click on one of the cards and then click "view badge progress" you can click "Sell these cards on the Market". Clicking this button will bring you into the menu for selling multiple items, where you can adjust the prices and the amount of cards you want to sell.

[@ShadowWalker2006]

How to exploid the STEAM summer sale: Step 1: Be rich Step 2: Buy lots of games Step 3: Profit (possibly?)

[@RunfisherRS]

Every year the spiffing brit gets more radical in his steam summer sale exploits and i love it.

[@Khomuna]

There's a Chrome extension for Steam that let's you sell many items at once, much easier to deal with large inventories using that.

[@Polarthief]

I so would do this to buy a discounted Steam Deck, but MAN I have a feeling Steam is gonna dish out some harsh punishments for literally stealing....

[@LordAnublz]

Its not stealing. Steam makes a profit from it. The cards costs them nothing, and steam gets 2c for each sold. Money someone had to put into their wallet. and the 40 pound he made isnt from steam either, its from users.

[@K1NDR3D]

It's fraud yeah

[@comrade2957]

I commend you considering the amount of time and effort this took. You get my seal of approval.

[@tutacat]

You know it's perfectly balanced when it starts showing up on your HMRC statement

[@Dindonmasker]

Technically the money you got was from other players and not from valve. Valve actually made money from all the transactions! They should love this and help do it more!