Stellaris Ship Designs Are BROKEN

[@Strategiser2]

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[@boris_abc]

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[@Strategiser2]

GOTTA PAY UP BORIS, CHOP CHOP maybe in the future i'll set up public discord in addition to the Members Only one, once i graduate for sure

[@boris_abc]

@@Strategiser2 One day my friend, one day

[@h0w1347]

Yaman even there

[@kralkralovsky8416]

why get better at stellaris when you can just meme your way to victories instead?

[@therealgaben5527]

How tf Stellaris get more cheese then the hoi4 navy system

[@Seth-Halo]

Because paradox keeps adding more and more bad game design lol

[@onepangaean3018]

Wdym this is peak design

[@therealgaben5527]

@@onepangaean3018it *was* peek in hoi4 too before BBA navel “balancing” where the meta was roach destroyers (single gun nothing else except an engine which is required) and max light attack heavy cruisers (heavy cruisers with one heavy gun and maxed out light guns at least for fleet battles.) the theory was that the heavy cruisers would have too much evasion so battleships wouldn’t hit them and the roach destroyers would stop torpedos from hitting the heavy cruisers and then you just use what every carriers you have at the start of the game or are building at the start of the game and then fill them with navel bombers.

[@onepangaean3018]

@The real GabeN don't play hoi4 so can't comment on it. It's a good thing you have to use your brain slightly in Stellaris designs now, previously it was just Neutron spam.

[@urstaxfetish1206]

@@Seth-Halo bruh, while cute Strike craft are easily countered in PvP so this only works verse A.I.

[@dr_sus]

Now i can save up my precious alloys so i can waste them even faster 💀

[@Strategiser2]

yes, EXACTLY!!!

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

Help me how do I get more alloys and speedrun voidcraft tech 😭

[@supercellodude]

@@therealspeedwagon1451 Technocracy civic and a voidcraft expertise scientist might help you rush towards the ship types and starbases. Egalitarian ethic, meritocracy civic, and the prosperity tradition give specialist output bonuses that affect both alloys and research. A planet with the Forge World designation will help save on the mineral -> alloy conversion rate. Find ways to increase stability for more resources from jobs.

[@kyosukearashi3523]

more giga structures !!

[@monchyd6519]

so we can finally micro stellaris battles? my 2k+ hours invested in starcraft 2: THIS IS THE MOMENT I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR MY WHOLE LIFE

[@Strategiser2]

LESSSGOOOOOOOO

[@kyosukearashi3523]

auto kiting

[@gript31]

Aaah yeah Good old meat shields Now imagine being the one who serve on such a ship. I guess there are some kind of lottery being held at recruitment office Or maybe just a nice way to deal with dissidents

[@Strategiser2]

honestly, 2 birds with ONE stone! i wonder where they got this idea from?

[@Gwynbleidd93]

0:30 All the strikecraft are deployed immediately. The 0.50 days is the regen time for the destroyed strikecraft (so you regain 2/day) and 2.30 days is the cooldown for their weapons (8 strikecraft * 6 average dmg / 2.30 cooldown = 20.86 dps you see at the end.

[@kalebbateman]

I always get unreasonably excited when I recognize the music in your videos. Into the Breach has an amazing soundtrack. Good pick.

[@supercellodude]

Thank you for pointing to a ratio of 20% for PD destroyers compared to the rest of the fleet.

[@CeriTsujimura]

me when speed carrier and speed admiral

[@mortache]

Schpeed

[@CeriTsujimura]

something I forgot to add but even with stupidly high value mods the speed carrier is still viable lmao even more so with a fast firing long range weapon and high evasion for extra trollage

[@aidenpitts8549]

The ai will actively counter me, I had a game when the entire galaxy was in a federation, so there was a fleet of around 100k by year 50, and I was trying to stabilizer my eco after a war with the ai inviting empire all around me. I saw how they had a lot of point defense and torpedo, so i did shield hardners, they switched to auto cannon, I was losing production time so i sent out smaller ships, they got carriers, I got frigets back in, they got a fuck ton of point defense and torpedo. The ratio of ships was like 4 to 1, so I could not do much damage before the wave of 240 frigets slammed into me. It was the first time i have had to surrender to ai since they no longer are monkey brain spam out disrupters or focus on attacking all 3 levels of defense.

[@kralkralovsky8416]

dunno artillery bombardments still work

[@TheHuffur]

Recently played a bit myself, not played in quite a while and yeah I played like I used to do against the AI and just kinda chilled in my systems and improved my economy and tech thinking everything was going fine except the AI actually had decent ship designs and loads of them. First war was a surprise but I managed to win it, then another AI took advantage and just steamrolled me before I could recover from the first war. Not used to actually having to put a little effort in against the AI, seems like its improved a lot. Though it did not help that I was playing a Devouring Swarm wanting to try out the re-introduced combat regeneration and it turns out the game lies HARD about how effective it is, saying stuff like +5% daily hull regen when it appears its actually like +0.05% when in combat.. I was expecting so much from that! :'(

[@aidenpitts8549]

@@TheHuffur yeah, personally my first game was very sad because a fanatic purifier happen to be next to me and went down the crisis path, and i did not realize till it declared war on me and i saw the 2 Star eatters rushing to my capital. I do like the hull regen though, it makes campaigning throught a war much more sustainable. And frigets spam is a lot more effective since once they finish an engagement they wont need to go straight to a port and repair. Hangers and missle rush seems to be fairly effect against them and i use destroyers on every main fleet for pickets

[@TheHuffur]

@@aidenpitts8549 yeah missiles and fighters seem to be fairly strong atm but I think some people are really exaggerating how good missiles are, they only have 25% tracking(swarmers have 30%) so it does not actually take a lot for corvettes to dodge like 40-60% of the shots, afterburner and tier 2 thrusters and I think they push something like 70+% evasion. At that point a single tier 1 laser/ballistic slot is doing like 2x more damage on average because it actually has a decent chance of hitting.

[@TheOverseerDDF]

Now I can use Soviet tactics in another Paradox game, splendid

[@sowiwiody3681]

Meanwhile me who never uses more than one design for one ship clas: "woah, this is worthless"

[@grandengineernathan]

I don't if it is intentional or not, but it mirrors real life carriers that don't have any armour

[@VasiliyOgniov]

So, you're telling me that now micro in Stellaris kinda means something? Holy shit

[@trolley01]

So basically you build a landing pad a strap some engines on it

[@Strategiser2]

this seems awfully familiar...

[@evansarver2989]

I didn’t understand a single sentence of this but it was hilarious! But I’m still gonna build my horribly designed mixed fleets!

[@Strategiser2]

lmfao, my average viewer in a nutshell "this guy is making a point...i'm gonna do the opposite!"

[@janehrahan5116]

@@Strategiser2 lurker in all of these servers, watching you be consistently early adopter of new ideas ahead of other good players is neat.

[@redtsun67]

yeah ngl I did NOT know you could hotkey fleets. I've been manually clicking on them this entire time.

[@bravalloy]

In og Master of Orion missiles costs BC (energy) per volley. And the volleys are limited per engagement. This also happens in Starfleet Command. I wonder how hard would be to add this mechanic to Stellaris.

[@Strategiser2]

i imagine...would need a complete rework of the entire game's engine...

[@syrusalder7795]

So you're telling me a triple afterburner impulse thruster naked hangar carrier can just... Outrun everything in the game? Why do you even need a screen then?

[@Strategiser2]

to absorb the first strike and in the rare case where the enemy can get close to prevent Torpedoes from landing in the first place it's just "Insurance" to not get rekt, since there is always human error in positioning for example: kiting is less effective if your ships are at the edge of the system

[@HendSelp]

It is probably not healthy to watch these videos as a new stellaris player

[@Strategiser2]

well...

[@kyosukearashi3523]

that carrier computer part is so ridiculous

[@Lepinsuki]

I like how the carriers turn into space tornadoes

[@AGuy-vq9qp]

Torpedos can’t kill you if the cruisers die before they reach you.

[@aleverettes2789]

Glad to see paradox's valiant attempt to "rebalance" the combat system only led to even more broken meta

[@haifengkao9075]

I was able to kite AI fleets forever in Stellaris 2.6. Just running around the whole system. Stellaris was broken long long ago

[@nicoruppert4207]

This actually seems like a fun meta that doesn't seem stale.

[@anidiot4243]

Better tactic against ai is spamming whirlwind missile cruisers

[@Strategiser2]

that is also an option, i would make a vid on it someday on how it's the new "Kiting Meta"

[@jellyburghers895]

This is getting out of hand

[@Jssonn]

Amazing video but the music is enabling my battle brothers fight or flight response

[@KizzyNoodle]

I tried this in a game today, it was hillarious xD

[@Strategiser2]

lol, how many Veterans did you clap that day?

[@lysy-zn2gg]

Why when you are talking your tone changes 10 times during one sentence, I cant watch it it's too anooyining

[@Strategiser2]

my accent, unfortunately the one thing i cannot change lol

[@AlyssMa7rin]

Anooyining?

[@lysy-zn2gg]

@@Strategiser2 No problem bro, still good video tho

[@TheRealTonie]

I'm looking forward to see how Paradox patches this...

[@diogitalk]

Strat: Pro level minmaxing Me: Hehe, 180k destroyer fleet go brr

[@shooey-mcmoss]

*nanostrikecraft, son*

[@shadeus3053]

I don't get how you can kitte while in battle. The move button just isn't there once the fight starts...

[@Strategiser2]

the combat AI got an update recently, and now automatically kites to the best of it's abilities as long as the ships aren't on the edge of the system and have high speed, they can do well by dispersing in all directions while still being in range if they have medium to short range weapons this is effectively a death sentence

[@shadeus3053]

@@Strategiser2 Got it! Thanks ;)

[@_furydance8890]

in my community we call them T-34s, mass produced cheap war machines that swarm up every opponent

[@protogen_apollo]

I really like the use of Into the Breach music :3

[@B3RyL]

I don't think it's the game that's broken. It's you. How did you even come up with that? How? And also, how do you expect me to pull this off? Do I need a MOBA mouse with 24 programmable buttons to play Stellaris now? All I ever wanted from this combat rework was to build 10 of each ship type with literally every conceivable weapon type and pretend I'm covered on all fronts for all time, and you ruined it! Why did you do this to me? 😭😭😭

[@legendaryziggs]

3:47 When did Stellaris become a Total War game?

[@Strategiser2]

just now!

[@valthorix7347]

WHAT THE FUCK? YOU CAN HOTKEY FLEETS?????????? I'VE PLAYED THIS GAME FOR FIVE YEARS AND I NEVER KNEW THAT ASDGH;LASKJHGOL;AIHGAHG

[@AlyssMa7rin]

This i learned by accident

[@felalot8801]

What about neutron launchers? They still hitscan and have a lot of range

[@Strategiser2]

yes, they do counter this strategy...as long as it doesn't land on the screens 20 day reload is enough to get shredded by strike crafts

[@felalot8801]

You can say the same thing about torpedos since they get the same 20 days to reload I guess

[@felalot8801]

And 75% damage increase to hull on top of 5x damage increase to cruisers will not help at all

[@Strategiser2]

@@felalot8801 true, but the main power of the neutron is that it's range covers the entire battle, which means it will prioritize bigger ships in general, aka the naked carriers which is why it's better than Torps against the naked ships as it will only get distracted once but yes, if enemy has enough Neutron frigates you're dead, then again if enemy has that much already they probably have more alloys in the battle, as a fully kitted frigate ain't cheap

[@stefanivanovic3455]

guys after last update i cant find ship desinger menu can some one help me pls

[@appetizzer]

Ok, no MP for me in Stellaris. 😂

[@ScorpioneOrzion]

Would filling the other 2 slots with some pd be even better?

[@Strategiser2]

your screens will constantly follow the enemy fleet, so having some PD on you is only useful if they Missiles/Swarmers the only situation where this strat gets countered is if they have Neutrons, in that case PD on the carrier is pointless as they can't be intercepted the best way to counter Neutrons in this case is to just make another fleet tank the first volley to force out the 20 day cooldown and let your strike crafts deploy in the meantime

[@mortache]

No chapters for each sentence 0/10

[@Strategiser2]

1 min vids are now officially CRINGE

[@pashkanorm]

Idc and just build corvets. For some reason their fleet power was significantly increased in the latest patches. 100 corvets = 150k-190k fleet power is kinda scary considering how fast and cheap you can build them.

[@Strategiser2]

autocannon "inflates" FleetPower, i'll make a vid on "FleetPower Inflation" someday

[@pashkanorm]

@@Strategiser2you can spam corvette since it's build time is 15 days so idk how carrier fleet with 3x less fleet power can overcome that flooding.

[@machixius]

@@pashkanorm fleet power stat doesn’t mean much but an estimation. Without testing it’s not possible to confirm if it’s viable or not.

[@AlyssMa7rin]

@@Strategiser2 Regarding that. Is it better to put a weapon with roughly 2 days faster attack speed but roughly 20-50 less damage? Or vice versa?

[@Juhnte]

Where is the music from?

[@mctobi2921]

Wait, and why are fighter better than normal weapons...seems like their damage is pretty average??

[@Strategiser2]

they bypass evasion, never overkill, and also chase enemies at blazing fast speeds(cannot be kited)

[@prefontaine9940]

I love into the breach music...

[@major8625]

Afterburnes go brrr

[@nickroland4610]

Does Montu know you're using his content?

[@Strategiser2]

yes, he does

[@soffren]

LETS GOOOOOO

[@boris_abc]

good

[@Strategiser2]

good

[@alexkzy5210]

excellent

[@grafeugenius]

nice? i am confused. i think nice is apt.

[@vthings001]

...what?

[@hccdgvvfccdgn993]

Your videos are getting a bit too long, I lost attention at two minutes

[@Strategiser2]

bruuuuuuuh

[@GoklasM]

How the hell do you play Stellaris then?

[@auspiciouscheetah]

The Waffle House has found it’s new host

[@onlyone7307]

The Waffle house has found a new host

[@villem2000]

The Waffle House has found its new host

[@gabe75001]

Strike craft bad tho

[@baileyrose4057]

The waffle house has found its new host

[@Rage_Quiting]

skull

[@RocketRaccoonIzHot]

why do you talk like that

[@Rage_Quiting]

first

[@ABYSS666k1]

At least neutron launcher meta was realistic

[@nicoruppert4207]

What are you talking about. Building a big ship with lots of aircraft on it is just efficient design. Aircraft carriers are a thing irl and now specialized spaceship designs are feasible in stellaris. It just works.

[@ABYSS666k1]

@@nicoruppert4207 yeah but compare that to a highly armored ship with nuke cannons

[@ABYSS666k1]

@@nicoruppert4207 i think its obvious which one is more powerful