Stem Cells for Back Pain: 2020 Update

Dr. Shim discusses the current research on stem cells for back pain as of 2020.
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Citations:
Aoun, S. G., Reyes, V. P., El Ahmadieh, T. Y., Davies, M., Patel, A. R., Ban, V. S., ... & Bagley, C. A. (2019). Stem cell injections for axial back pain: a systematic review of associated risks and complications with a case illustration of diffuse hyperplastic gliosis resulting in cauda equina syndrome. Journal of Neurosurgery: Spine, 31(6), 906-913. DOI: 10.3171/2019.6.SPINE19594
Wu, T., Song, H. X., Dong, Y., & Li, J. H. (2018). Cell-based therapies for lumbar discogenic low back pain. Spine, 43(1), 49-57. DOI: 10.1097/BRS.0000000000001549

[@eduardoramirez4768]

I'm 27 and have been diagnosed with degenerative disc disease on my L5 disc and have been dealing with herniated disc pain for 3 months now. I had to quit my job as a trucker. It's very scary being told by my doctor that I'm a candidate for back surgery at 27. I'm honestly desperate to try anything that will return me back to normal

[@normafernandez8520]

I feel the same way. How are you feeling now?

[@eduardoramirez4768]

@Norma Fernandez some days are better than others. Lately I've been feeling really great however I've been going the mckenzie method combined with home pt exercises and my disc herniation pain has been feeling better

[@jay3651]

Have you tried the reverse hyper? Just watch the whole thing. I backed out when it said “Cross fit” as the opener but just listen. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2rXhmqVrJylrNk

[@matthewimi]

You're young. Research every single movement to treat disc degeneration. Yoga is extremely good for this. There are Brazilian jiu jitsu warm up drills that are perfect for opening up the hips and low back. I believe the reason why your discs have degenerated is secondary to lack of movement, exercising all those small muscles that hold those discs together, + spinalis, illiocostalis, & All those muscles that control internal and external rotation of the hips. You're a trucker. You've been sitting in the same position for hours and hours on end. I can say this because I've been driving for 23 years and my L4 L5 disc is degenerated. Nevertheless I do CrossFit and yoga. I'm holding my own, but I refuse to let them cut me. I am not at that stage and I think spinal fusion is way over the top unnecessary at this stage. There are people that have lived with stuff like this for decades, the pain eventually goes away, the nerve learns to live in a smaller space and adjusts. Don't let them cut you unless It gets serious enough to where you've lost feeling in a leg or you can't control your bowels.

[@cartersmith3544]

@@eduardoramirez4768 I’m 19 years old, I had to have a microdiscectomy almost exactly one year ago because I had a completely blown l5 s1 disc and it was impossible for me to move sleep sit and exist. I will say that after the surgery I woke up with IMMEDIATE relief, any longer with that pain and I was going to end my life because it was so terrible. So if you get to that point get the microdiscectomy because there are no fusions and no rods and I’ve been able to return to work in construction for 8 months now. I will say that now I have to live the rest of my life with the concern of my back getting worse but it’s better than existing the way I did before.

[@Tacoman1967]

Thanks for bringing the ethical problem to light about experimental issues with back pain and stem cell research.

[@ShimSpineVideos]

Many treatments remain experimental as the ramifications may not be known for years or decades.

[@tonyjenkins3806]

Need to leave USA for stem cell. Stents for heart attacks wasn’t approved for 15 years and doctors were using it before FDA approval

[@meshiabean2865]

I am getting mines done on February 10th... I am very hopeful 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@paddyloughran2171]

Hi there, I hope you're treatment was successful, has it freed you from your pain?

[@shubhtrendz]

Hey which procedure have undegone i m too going have stem cell or prp

[@Randoman9987]

PLEASE PROVIDE UPDATES... many people need to know what you know

[@meshiabean2865]

@@paddyloughran2171 hello there I went to a clinic where I live at in Atlanta GA and they inject me with something called wharton's Jelly but I am not in as much pain as I was before I go to physical therapy twice a week but by me having MS I might just be in a little pain for the rest of my life I wish I could tell you something more positive but all procedures affect people differently

[@meshiabean2865]

@@shubhtrendz I had a procedure done here in Atlanta GA they injected me with something called whartons Jelly it helped a little bit but this procedure well affect everybody is differently I pray everything worked out for you

[@quocanhvu4961]

Can you update this treatment in 2023?

[@rainmaker3146]

It saved my life.....I had mine in 2018

[@chillnspace777]

How much was it and how did the procedure go

[@rainmaker3146]

@@chillnspace777 LifeSaver....it was a study but my ex husband had insurance and I think the pre study evaluation was 32,000 per procedure.dont quote me on it..but after 2 I am able to do back flips again at 50..and dance again..Really Get In One if u find one ..the study was supposed to be free but we later found a bill for 92,000.but he said I was worth that..Preciate It! Grateful for it..

[@chillnspace777]

@Libra CEO of Changes I currently have a herniated disk, and boy, I was not expecting that high of a bill.

[@rainmaker3146]

@@chillnspace777 I'm sorry that that price alarmed u .but listen what I have learned is that when it's said that u are worth the amount of insurance u have for your health..it's true .but so the fact that that was billed to us after the incomplete study..due to my divorce ..now had I continued with the full study trial . experiment..it would've or supposed to have been free.. herniated disc I have 2 and it's no joke .near my tail bone and arch so I understand your pain...check in your area for that study for stem cell or ask your doctor..also take the meds before u actually hurt to keep your body moving without too much pain and agitation..I suffered like that for almost 17 years...Whew Chile...Don't even wanna think back when..but know I'm here for u..if u need someone to talk to .also start walking long walks...I also noticed before stem cell that when I worked out by walking dancing or swimming.i was in less pain than when I sat

[@nazmulhasanmasum8095]

Please make a video on Discseel procedure

[@danieltebbi4714]

Stem cell treatment helps the degenerated intervertebral discs to repair themselves and it's safe and effective in treating the disc degeneration!

[@nishuee9349]

So please why is he saying this is not proved yet?

[@raydababin]

My dad has had an injured back pretty much his whole life and a couple years ago it became unbearable and he could barely walk. One of his discs was pretty much gone and it was almost completely bone-on-bone. He got injections and 3-4 years later he’s feeling better than ever.

[@nishuee9349]

please, where did he get it?

[@KadeBronson]

Where did he get it?

[@AyubHassan-cq3ke]

Mexico just google Dream body

[@dcat2004]

I’ve had it and I am doing great. My pain mgmt dr is great!

[@cornelbucur3577]

You had stem around the disc or I go the disc?

[@don2144]

@@cornelbucur3577 I had Ozone + Stemcells L1 L3-4 area ... Improvement for sure ..Ready for rd 2

[@cornelbucur3577]

I need the same for my thinning s1 disc asap

[@cornelbucur3577]

Glad it worked for you))

[@ShimSpineVideos]

I am glad you are better.

[@RafaelGarcia-wv9uy]

I got into a really bad car accident last august, I messed up my L3 -L5 I dead with lots of pain every day I’m tired of taking medication every day. I just wanna be the way I used too. I’m looking into trying stem cell therapy I hope it works 🙏🏽

[@nathanboy1363]

Did you end up getting it?

[@Dieselpwr]

Apparently is too difficult to do a ct scan

[@jainendramishra6855]

I am a patient of dysautonomia the problem of autonomic nervous system dysfunction can stem cell therapy help in dysautonomia or pots patient

[@markmusial8590]

What is your opinion on PRP injections?

[@ccorrigan3]

I am 61 and a floor nurse, had A double Lamy, them 8 mo later a revision in a disc and still have a new protrusion causing pain. The pain management wants to do stem cell via amniotic fluid but insurance doesn’t cover it. Also suggesting a ablation. Please help! My workman’s Comp doc is saying he will do an infusion 1 year from my last surgery but expecting me to get by until then. I can’t take it, any pearls of wisdom for me? Thank you!!!!

[@Randoman9987]

I had RF Ablation twice, it did not help me and the recovery time is quite significant. I would recommend you try Prolotherapy first.

[@contintail]

I had 3 levels ablation l5- S1 and up. All it did was make me hurt more for a couple weeks. No help. But as I told my wife, it’s worth a shot. Unfortunately so many give it a shot treatments and I’m worse after all. Also had spine stimulator. Discectomy twice, laminectomy and discectomy again, fusion all at L5 S1. One more give it a shot, now looking in to stem cell treatments. So expensive.

[@musaletharuni_08]

My mom is suffering from lumbar spondylosis disc degeneration at l4-l5 disc. She doesn't have pain but has numbness in left feet. Will she be cured by stem cell treatment?? Which treatment would u suggest to her sir??

[@tajakjejtam]

Did you listen to the end? He said he would NOT recommend it to anyone

[@musaletharuni_08]

@@tajakjejtam why?

[@tajakjejtam]

@@musaletharuni_08 not enough scientific evidence to help in back pain

[@musaletharuni_08]

@@tajakjejtam Oo😒what about button hole surgery?

[@tajakjejtam]

@@musaletharuni_08 idk, I am not a doctor so it's best to consult with one. Tho here are current recommendations for spine treatment www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng59/chapter/Recommendations?fbclid=IwAR2VFzGPQ6gl11pe9lG-8OlhoJsougSR_DLxF-HF7Sp6P-y9CSJt2IbPYn0 Tl;Dr - excises, massage and steroid injections are recommend

[@istiaqmirza8242]

I feel so pain due to L4L5 L5S1 facet joint arthaopathy and L5S1 disc bulging what should I do right now.

[@sdhdgasd]

What about intradiscal PRP injections?

[@ShimSpineVideos]

Not approved by FDA, and not studied enough by the scientific community to know if it is helping, or hurting the spine. Be cautious.

[@AmritGrewal31]

@@ShimSpineVideos why is it not studied?

[@mikeguyton6293]

It's studied it just cost hella money. Life is messed up.

[@88siddharthchopra]

I just had microdiscectomy.Should I use this to regenerate the damaged disc to original size ??

[@ShimSpineVideos]

If you watched my whole video, I explained how this is still very experimental, with very little long term information. Please make sure to make informed decisions, and understand the risks, benefits, and the experimental nature of this treatment.

[@Chocoecstasy]

Can you train me? I am doing CCT in the UK

[@craigdally418]

People feeling better after salt water injection 💉 reminds me of when I had dye injected into my shoulder joint for an MRI. Felt better immediately and more stable but by time we had driven down the road and I'd moved arm up and down couple times it must've leaked out or dissipated somewhere and shoulder was back to where it was.

[@mikeguyton6293]

I developed nerve damage from bipolar medications. I haven't been able too work good like i used too at all and i use my insurance too cover the cost. Why is life like this. Damn it.

[@iraidarodrigue8979]

I’m 49 have DDD on my L5-S1. Literally bone on bone. Horrific pain. I’ve had decompression therapy. PT. Chiropractic care. Epidural injections. My recent MRI shows complete dehydration. Debating on the single level ALif. Can you provide insight pleaseeee

[@ShimSpineVideos]

Only general comments. If your surgeon has determined the L5-S1 disc is the cause of your pain, ALIF is a very acceptable option. Make sure you understand the risks, benefits, and alternatives and you have exhausted all non surgical options. Try to minimize the use of any narcotic medications. Chronic use will make it even harder to stop use of the medication, even after a successful surgery.

[@arturcuryllo5832]

@@ShimSpineVideos Do you have a stripped and permanently damaged nerve root causing blinding and disabling pain 24/7? If not, please don't comment on the use of narcotic medication as you simply have no idea about pain some people live with. You would be on Oxy 6 x 10mg per day if you suffered my life sentence.

[@vanessaland5090]

@@arturcuryllo5832 His comment doesn't apply to everyone as clearly stated- if it offends you then don't watch this. He said 'general' comments only and he said 'try to minimise''. If you're not able to it, that obviously doesn't apply to you. Sure offer your experience but no need to be so defensive. He can comment what he likes on his own channel. If you don't like it, then you don't have to watch it but I personally find his take on reducing medications naturally quite helpful.

[@arturcuryllo5832]

@@vanessaland5090 And what should I do if I have already watched it? Can I unwatch it? Any "general" tips would be much appreciated.

[@nishuee9349]

@@arturcuryllo5832 Please ask him directly

[@RaviVarma-fr6rp]

Stemcell can reverse bulging disc problem?

[@ShimSpineVideos]

Bulging discs are part of life, and part of the aging process. Everyone (including me), hopes stem cells can help reverse aging. Right now, it does not appear to have that effect on most conditions.

[@johnnyrodriguez276]

@@ShimSpineVideos Dr what do you recommend for 3 2.5 mm herniated discs and mild canal stenosis results from last year August 2020 Alot chiros tell me not to get surgery and spinal decompression should pop those minor herniated disc back into place Right now I don't feel sciatic pain down knee but comes back if I over walk sit or stand, now I'm being careful feel pain on lower back left side only please help doc 😢

[@ShimSpineVideos]

@@johnnyrodriguez276 I can only comment on the general principles, as everyone has individual concerns. 2.5 mm herniations with mild stenosis typically does not benefit from surgery. As long as you are getting better, and can tolerate the discomfort, do not rush into anything invasive. If the pain is unbearable, then seek another opinion from a spine specialist.

[@johnnyrodriguez276]

@@ShimSpineVideos Ty I'll keep praying

[@johnnyrodriguez276]

@@ShimSpineVideos Apart from the 3 2.5 mm herniated discs I have two mild Facet diseases will I be ok? Do I need stem cell injection? PT and chiro say the same to not jump on surgery with mild canal stenosis but I just feel a dull aching spot in lower left side that im scared for it to flare up and bring down knee nerve pain what do you suggest Dr? I won't bother anymore after this question just let me know what I should do or you would do in my situation Ty 🙏

[@calidog447]

It's doctors like you why i'm still in pain . You don't want to heal people from their pain.You just want to make money on surgerys I'm sure you've never experienced severe chronic back pain.

[@tractorback76]

Dr Shim have you seen the product that is inserted after a disectomy as a "dam" of sorts that blocks more inner fluid from coming out? I belive the one brand name is "Barricaid". Looks promising

[@santimadrid8196]

Don’t give up my friend there’s a permanent solution to your problem visit Doctor Ani John on his KZbin channel he cured mine completely with his natural herbal remedies.

[@alexandergonzaga9316]

Please create a topic related to prolozone therapy I have heard it is similar treatment of steam cell to fix back issues like disk bulge or herinated disk

[@xavierfrancis2665]

mm. Hi

[@irfanrahman6165]

Prolozone is not stem cell therapy

[@johnlone3074]

Unfortunately, he has no specifics on this topic. He is generalizing a very complex problem. Also he doesn't try help in any way? He doesn't seem to have much interest in responding to questions? What are his credentials to criticize this field. Etc etc.

[@PhillipLearnTeach]

Can this be injection be done on this? The vertebral body heights are maintained. There is intervertebral disc space narrowing at L5-S1. There is facet hypertrophy throughout the lumbar spine. There is apparent obscuration of the RIGHT pedicle at L2, which in correlation with the PET/CT from 7/12/2018, corresponds to an area of marked facet hypertrophy and partial fusion of the facets at L2-3. There is no abnormal motion on flexion or extension. The sacroiliac joints are unremarkable. VIEWS: AP, lateral flexion/extension, and spot views of the lumbar spine. HISTORY: M51.16-Intervertebral disc disorder with radiculopathy of lumbar region M51.16Intervertebral disc disorder with radiculopathy of lumbar region

[@ShimSpineVideos]

Watch the whole video. Stem cells are still very experimental. There has been limited success in restoring disc height.

[@derigel1755]

@@ShimSpineVideos is there anyway to reinforce the wound on the annulus with some kind of coat which can act like glue so that a disc extrusion doesn't reoccur at the weak spot?

[@treyday5200]

Marijuana helps with pain

[@AmritGrewal31]

Answer to everything is weed, right?

[@treyday5200]

@@AmritGrewal31 yeah plants and vegetables.

[@alexanderm3504]

Damn Pot heads lol

[@Jordan-ln2ef]

It's not complicated, people like you get rich from pharmaceutical companies.

[@Randoman9987]

Stem cells aren't complicated? Lol... thanks for that little gem of advice.