Stephen Fry discusses how the Catholic Church asserts its power

[@sentinal001]

And oddly enough, only the church defines the need for salvation.

[@ronaldthwaites177]

The church invented evil. The church gives us no choice. Religion is disgusting. When do the clergy accept the the responsibility

[@samhwwg]

I would argue that the need for salvation is almost an inherent desire in any person, save the rich and noble of the time. Most people don’t find life that enjoyable and fun, they need to make sense of the suffering, and so the church, whether you find it convincing or not is entirely up to you, declares that the root of pain is sin, and the solution to sin is the Saviour. That doesn’t really feel off, what feels off is that a supposed “spiritual” teaching turns into an actual worldly power and a rich, transnational cooperation. That’s what’s so weird. One may be lead to think that many of the higher ups aren’t exactly believing in what they themselves preach.

[@PocketMarmo04]

You could easily make the argument that a rich trans national organization is needed precisely for this purpose. The light bill does not get paid by itself.

[@CharlesInMotion]

@@samhwwgreplacing one mental illness for another isn’t better.

[@samhwwg]

@@CharlesInMotion How do you mean?

[@NicoScorpio]

I am happy that this shows up in shorts. Its extremely old, but Fry is brutal in that speech. You hear in his dry mouth that he his very nervous, but boy did he nuke the church beautifully that day 👏

[@karsteinvolle]

Nothing like hearing ‘this is an extremely old clip’ while remembering watching the livestream. Yours sincerely, ancient bloke.

[@Balin93]

He should have delivered it as General Melchett. lol

[@tiatrips]

And he did it with Christopher Hitchens. The two they were debating on the other side didn't stand a chance at all.

[@frankmontez6853]

You must actually hate God then. Not good in your position geez

[@fezmancomments]

He sounds almost ecclesiastical in tone and theme. Old School Anglican opening a door to vacuous liberalism. It’s easy to kill God. It’s easy to destroy. But what then? It better be good because the devil is waiting to fill the vacuum.

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

I can't remember who it was - but I believe it was Stephen Hawking - but as a child they said about the question of whether the wine ACTUALLY gets turned into wine, to the priest, "Why don't you have my stomach contents analyzed to see if this is true?" The priest answers, "Well, if you're not a believer then it won't happen!" to which the kid says, "Well how about having the contents of YOUR stomach analyzed?" The priest, as you can imagine, didn't quite know how to respond to that!

[@bradsizemore3333]

Not true. The change is substantial, analyzing the stomach contents would prove nothing. It’s a made up story.

[@mac9245]

The Anti-Preacher. Catholicism is such a criminal enterprise.

[@karolinawww6834]

Scientific method in a nutshell

[@fillipo1972]

You should listen to the entire debate it's fantastic. Search intelligence squared catholic church force for good.

[@vonteflon]

I will just add to this comment the suggestion that whenever the hideous Anne Widdicombe appears, do yourself a favour and skip that entire section.

[@JohnJohn-zn8ib]

Stephen Fry is an idiot, he is gay so he will be against anything that doesn’t agree with him, a hypocrite.

[@ChesterMeadows]

I hope for a day when all religions can be this openly scrutinised across the world.

[@Kakaragi]

Including Atheism?

[@d-t-b6984]

Atheism is not a religion.

[@vamsikrishna4562]

@@Kakaragi atheism is not a religion.

[@johanb.7869]

I like him. He's smart and funny. I can listen to him for hours.

[@FlatlandMando]

he & Christopher Hitchens...top humanist intellects in our time!

[@lukemacmillan4030]

Packer too.

[@tonylawlor8833]

Well said, the biggest con job ever run and still running.

[@stephenjohnson9632]

He sure is.

[@guzzidude7410]

God is an it not a "he"

[@stephenjohnson9632]

@@guzzidude7410 The Bible uses the pronoun “He” when referring to God. The Bible is the Word of God. Don’t disrespect His preferred pronouns.

[@guzzidude7410]

Depends on which version of the bible used. God prefers "it"lower case....

[@stephenjohnson9632]

@@guzzidude7410 Father = Masculine

[@elizabethmenegon8057]

I can't believe it is still need to be told. Thanks Stephen Fry. 🌟

[@craigbillings9973]

A true world class genius we as British people should be very proud

[@michaelbrickley2443]

You set the bar rather low for that word genius

[@davidmcenery9134]

Genius. He’s knowledgeable, not clever. What else would you expect him to say.

[@thomasbell7033]

Yes, you should be proud to have him. In a nation so fat with national treasures (both human and not), couldn't you spare a few for us, your cousins across the water? After all, we did send you T.S. Eliot.

[@ronanmcauley9943]

I'm straight... An I am falling in love with this man..... He should be running the country.... Makes me feel like I'm not the only one that is switched on... 👍👍👍👍👍

[@yelleryoung5870]

I watched this live, they crushed the Catholics.

[@johanb.7869]

The arrogance of the Roman Catholic church is mind boggling.

[@rickchros1919]

My mom, raised catholic in the north of England, has told me astonishing stories of a poor mother with 6 children setting money aside for the church every single week. The reason she would have had six children was because of catholicism and however much money was left after providing for these 6 children went to the Catholic Church.

[@Acksking82]

And how is that the church's fault ?

[@Fitchy-ke3wz]

​@Acksking82 that woman believed in the church so much, hoped that the money she gave would help her family and yet it did nothing. They only asked for more and promised salvation yet by the time she would receive salvation, she's dead and her children have no mother. She'd rather blindly pay the church than feed her family

[@Acksking82]

@@Fitchy-ke3wz and again how is that the church's fault ?

[@Fitchy-ke3wz]

@Acksking82 sorry you mean to say the church taking her money for themselves and not helping her is not the churchs fault?

[@Acksking82]

@@Fitchy-ke3wz you mean to say the church sent their henchmen who put a gun to her head and took the money away ?

[@SC-bg8wf]

The nonsense spoken by religions is obvious but Mr Fry lays it out very clearly.

[@jwbjpb1338]

Stephen Fry just destroyed the myth of religion.

[@Babyluthi]

You would enjoy reading The Hiram Key.

[@louisasmith7891]

Now THIS is a man who should have eternal life to be able to talk sense in to the rest of us for ever and ever.

[@patti3855]

Eternal life is only received by those who surrender their lives entirely to the Lord Jesus Christ.

[@frankmurray1549]

@@patti3855 What evidence do you have for your reply?

[@Love_Divine]

As Promised: Evidence will be given on THAT day.

[@frankmurray1549]

@@Love_Divine How about some evidence now? You don't realise that atheists do not believe in the magic man in the sky.

[@JoaoFelipe-oy6en]

And what evidence you have to believe the day will come?

[@blauemadeleine]

Actually the three monotheistic religions share that belief that they are the only ones who "got it right"

[@georgeschannel6168]

He is intelligent as f@ck!

[@sabrina.h2737]

I've been atheist since I was nine. I went to a Catholic school and hated it.

[@millepill]

Fry for President of the planet!

[@c.guydubois8270]

The people qualified/Worthy of our trust wouldn't touch that job with your 10' stick. ...

[@sbkenn1]

The new "Hitch". Both exquisitely sharp and rational.

[@PsychonunBO2]

Hitchens literally sat next to him during this speech….

[@michaelbrickley2443]

Shane Kennedy, there are so many errors in Hitches two books regarding God and Mother Teresa as to be laughable. Fry is no better.

[@PsychonunBO2]

@@michaelbrickley2443 name one.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

@@PsychonunBO2 just google criticism of both. It’s easy. Hitch is far from God and his brother wised up and regained his faith. The funny thing is we have evidence and you don’t. Atheism is defeated as a viable world view by the very hopeless world it projects.

[@jackwhitbread4583]

​@@michaelbrickley2443come on then name some please

[@loqutisborg5416]

Would love to see/hear him in person

[@JTM1809]

Not really. The Roman Catholic Church is not the only church to believe in its own exclusivity to dispense salvation. The Orthodox Churches postulate the exact same thing, i.e. that there’s no salvation outside of their communion. Stephen Fry is a truly captivating orator, though. I’m sure, his disciples forgive him the occasional sleight of hand, those who are even aware, that is.

[@JTM1809]

@@ciggystardust Utterly orthogonal to my point.

[@buddhasgurl1986]

bless Steven Fry for always speaking truths! exposing the hypocrisy of the church, it makes no sense.

[@dennisevans6544]

Oh, Stephen, you are a gem. What a magnificent apostle to dispel the superstitious nonsense that is Catholicism, and for that matter, all religious nonsense.

[@aalb1873]

Maybe he could start from the Church of England and the British Monarchy.

[@markanderson535]

As a catholic, I am so pleased that he spoke clearly about our beliefs. I would correct his use of the word 'molecule' and substitute it with the Aristotelian word 'substance,' and priests forgive the sins of he rich and the poor, but aside from that, he unwittingly did a reasonably good job. I pray that all who do not yet know our Blessed Lord might come to learn of the great life and love that awaits them in His Church.

[@panda6907]

I think you missed his point

[@markanderson535]

He unwittingly spoke very well, even if there were a couple of minor errors. The reasons he cited to object to the Catholic Church are precisely the reasons that attract so many.

[@Rydonattelo]

As a Presbyterian i also thought he explained Catholic beliefs rather well . Similar to yourself i think he misrepresented some small details but only small. I also don't believe the bread and wine become flesh and blood literally but i do believe outside Jesus there is no salvation. We disagree about what that means in practice but im fairly sure were both on the right track, especially compared to these godliness heathens 👍🏼✝️

[@redeemed6955]

He Will answer for the lies, and people led astray because of his LIES... According to GODS WORD......

[@dimsdays]

​@@redeemed6955HIS lies? Spoken to any cute altar boys lately

[@michaelmay5453]

Stephen Fry, the man, the artist.... The legend.

[@bertplank8011]

The gay.

[@yumorules]

Old bore.

[@roryboytube]

He's a pedophile

[@arjan2777]

@@bertplank8011 Well yes but does that have any relevance in this context?

[@Glasstable2011]

@@bertplank8011 I assume the 11 in your username means you were born in 2011 because that is the comment of a pre-pubescent child

[@2msystems740]

A great demonstration by Stephen Fry of the cult rituals that is catholism.

[@roytaylor2161]

It's a blooming miracle Stephen. And a gift. Most these poor, down-trodden (usually by godless politicians) feel re-energized and inspired by this experience. I hope you can respect that.

[@stevetarrant3898]

He and Hitch made a great, balanced debate machine. RIP Hitch, sorely missed.

[@seanoshaughnessy4556]

You do realise RIP means “rest” in peace. You surely don’t think he’s at rest if there is no afterlife 😀

[@JTM1809]

They were/are both left-leaning materialists, largely uniform in their views. How is that balanced?

[@Irish780]

Just because the Catholics Church disagree with your homosexuality you say this no salvation for you

[@Glasstable2011]

Always remember, if you *have* to have faith to believe something, you probably shouldn’t believe it

[@joefarr3304]

Faith is what you need, when you don't like all the facts.

[@Isaac5123]

Good point

[@Glasstable2011]

@@Episcopalianacolyte I’ve a seen pictures and videos of those places. I live in a city. I’ve visited cities before. Nobody has ever told me anything about those four cities that run counter to my experience of other cities, or natural laws in general. I understand how cities are built and how they are laid out. I understand population mechanics and the attraction of mass migration from rural to urban centres and exploding populations. I can go on Google Earth and see my own house, then pan over to New York and see it similarly rendered. I can buy a dozen different maps of these cities and see that they are all exactly the same. I can streetview these places, I can speak to people who lived there. Nobody has ever told me those cities are invisible and lie outside of time and space. However whilst I do believe that New York exists, I don’t have to accept that Spider-Man therefore exists and lives there. In the same way that I can believe Jerusalem exists, without having to believe that 2000 years ago all of the tombs opened up and the dead roamed the streets, as described in Matthew 27.

[@Glasstable2011]

@@Episcopalianacolyte given what you just wrote, why would you believe the bible?

[@Glasstable2011]

@@Episcopalianacolyte a Muslim would probably say that the Quran is important and does good, if interpreted correctly. Does that mean the stories contained within it are more likely to be true?

[@ChuckChuckWood]

I remember when i was about 12 just before my confirmation we were told to ask questions to the bishop - i had heard that the bread wasn't a metaphor, I asked the bishop and he said yes it actually physically turns into the body of Jesus - I said "What?! I've had it and it definitely doesn't", silenced the room and i was swiftly ignored, afterwards I got a talking to, what a load of horseshit 😂

[@darrenbishop1619]

Listen to this man as he’s telling the truth people

[@lostgleammedia]

But the vicars always seemed like nice guys, who were just friendly and kind

[@johanb.7869]

When people need something they always show their best nature, but once they have it, out comes their true nature.

[@thecook8964]

Probably at the begining for the abusers of children...

[@jhvoojh]

I really think Stephen is a gem, that we should at least try to understand his point of view.

[@michellemagee7223]

I am a Catholic am literally transformed

[@exercisethemind]

They don't understand the Eucharist. You should explain more sister.

[@exercisethemind]

@@LowBudgetKajiCosplay Explain Love. Is it merely symbolic? Or is it real, substantive? Is it mysterious at all?

[@davidfitnesstech]

Please check out this *whole video* .

[@roscoerigby]

Do you have a link to the whole video?

[@EzioAuditoreDaFirenze99]

​@@roscoerigbykzbin.info/www/bejne/gIu1lIyXdr6KnZYsi=Z6AhwsOe9x05Iqvh A little late but here.

[@tonygahan2171]

Well said

[@FlyingDutchman19801]

what a treasure.

[@jeffreyrodgers1130]

the only laying of hands where on children. what a cess pool

[@bristolrovers27]

Don't like agreeing with privately educated millionaires but in this case he's got it right

[@marquisdemoo1792]

How about privately educated moderately wealthy? I think he got it right too.

[@IMO1964]

Deserves every penny. True humanitarian.

[@davidb3979]

"Only thus church has this extraordinary principle"... that's not true, all religions teach that only they have the answer's and only they can lead you to salvation!

[@dbn52]

Stephen is brilliant in this takedown.

[@Mickel-jb3mt]

Well said, or should I say, brilliantly said.!!!!!!

[@zeroviscositysales3506]

Well done Stephen.

[@MichaelM-tt5wd]

Despite these wise words, we are still surrounded by a hell amount of people believing in fairy tales . . .

[@MichaelB-wm5cg]

Like to see how brave he is if he tries to criticise Islam.

[@jackwhitbread4583]

Many atheists are critical of Islam, both Fry and Dawkins have been critical of Islam.

[@evil_eye-04]

Islam doesn't even need to be critiqued. Basically it's a rip off of Christianity with some disqusting and moronic additions like hijabs, beards and etc.

[@CR-og5ho]

Why would we be discussing Islam rather than Christianity in a Christian country?

[@kensmith8152]

What always amazes me is how the RCC till this day tries to control the narrative that Peter was the first pope when there were numerous bishops in the first century church other than the Roman one (ie Antioch, Jerusalem Ephesus etc) The actual RCC church didn’t come about until around the sixth century. Also if you read the biblical account there’s a play on words here the name Peter is petros (pebble), the rock that Jesus says the church is built upon is Petra or a very large rock. Jesus said to build our faith upon the rock not sand. Jesus is the rock that the church is built upon, not Peter!

[@theresakoehler3503]

You have your facts wrong . Do some research

[@kensmith8152]

@@theresakoehler3503: Just like Islam, there is a gap in the narrative. For the narrative of the RCC, there is a gap of 400 years between the apostolic age and the period where Rome started to dominate the Christian narrative. Between that time there was several other Christian churches that made up the church. So what if Peter was in Rome, he was in a lot of other locales as well, this doesn’t make him the first Pope of Rome

[@frankpulmanns6685]

Ok?

[@lucashardy4481]

@@kensmith8152”Wherever Jesus Christ is there is the Catholic Church” -St. Ignatius of Antioch, disciple of St John, Father of the Church 106 AD

[@AndyPeers]

The whole worshipping Mary and other idols should give the Catholic church away. England expelled the church in the 1500s and that is why countries invited Britain to run their countries for trade and protection. Bow to God and God alone. The very notion of a pope is wrong. All men are equal. End of.

[@Rydonattelo]

I love Steven Fry, always have. Spoken like a Presbyterian. Well said sir. ❤🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿✝️

[@claymor8241]

I doubt he meant you lot were any better, you have your own problems, not least an almost medieval level of bigotry.

[@glengrant3884]

LEGEND!!💥🙌👊

[@333Cherubim._.]

Amen, its true❤ I honestly think they have pushed good people away👇 No other name is gonna save but one 👆 That statement also agrees with Mr. Fry

[@AJNevenner]

Proud Catholic here!

[@DerryPope]

Pride is a sin...off to hell you go.

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

Child abuse supporter...

[@lottiewilds539]

That's like saying " I heard the facts but choose to pretend that I don't know them. Am I a genius, or what? WHAT!

[@pawekajdrowicz3221]

@@lottiewilds539but Stephen Fry is wrong in this video. So it is not invalid to be a pround catholic here. Of you want I can tell you were he is wrong

[@johndeanrichards4067]

That's why I love him

[@justinmac316]

One of my favorite debates. With his trusty Hitch by his side, they crushed the catholic church

[@timothycushing5473]

If you want to learn about the bread and the wine: Read St. Thomas Aquinas.

[@antropatico]

Yep. He explained it very well. God bless the holy Catholic Church.

[@vincentdunne3642]

Even the paedophile abusive members and those who enabled their rape of children?

[@BatTaz19]

I presume you're trolling

[@neiltristanyabut]

what god?

[@antropatico]

@@neiltristanyabut my God. obviously.

[@Manu-Official]

@@antropatico congratulations about your imaginary friend. It puts the donation in the basket, or else it gets eternal damnation again

[@jonstokes7588]

The catholic faith teaches that you can be saved by acts of 'baptism', that are not specifically pouring water over your head as an infant. People outside the church are sainted, saved, and raised to heaven. Throw all the Latin you want at it but SF is wrong on that.

[@stevenmorgan3849]

Amen and amen

[@outermarker5801]

Still tasted like bread and wine to me so I guess they don't really have any such power

[@edwarddonaldspiesjr.8262]

Well said sir!

[@plasticrap4577]

This dude needs to read the gospel of John chapter 6! “You must eat my body and drink my blood to have everlasting life”! Jesus said this not the church! Also read about the last supper where this doctrine comes from!

[@epiccthulu]

priests need to leave the molecules of children alone…

[@Bluewater9]

As a Christian the Truth supports love never harm or hatred or unwanted attention as in never ending HARASSMENT! I am certain this church and others support atrocities on me when will it end. Is it because we have so much in this world that you feel you must create opposition.

[@paulwaterstreet9844]

Stephen Fry tells us as it IS

[@bombonalvarez3802]

Religion poisons everything. Christopher Hitchens

[@exercisethemind]

And then he endorsed a war of aggression in Iraq.

[@romystumpy1197]

His word is the truth

[@michaelbrickley2443]

Hardly….

[@exercisethemind]

You worship a false god.

[@vic5594]

When any religion comes up against someone with a superior intellect it always goes away looking like a cult

[@alexamaya3208]

The most intellectual people on the planet of human history are theist, historically Catholic too… What ever are you talking about?

[@JTM1809]

I didn’t know, a religion was an individual with an ascertainable intellect.

[@exercisethemind]

Good to know that rich white Englishmen still know better than poor Palestinians.

[@Lukelikesmissiles]

Within the church, there is no salvation.

[@bradsizemore3333]

Transubstantiation has nothing to do with “molecules”. Sounds trite but it’s a significant error. If he can’t be bothered to get it right on that why should anyone listen to him about the Catholic Church?

[@bradsizemore3333]

@@ciggystardust​​⁠I teach at a Catholic school etc., that’s not what transubstantiation is-there is no molecular change-he doesn’t understand the philosophical definition of “substance”. I’m not splitting hairs, it shows intellectual laziness on his part and it calls into question the rest of his diatribe. The Catholic Church is the single largest charitable organization the world has ever known. Stephen Fry is a pseudo-intellectual who worships himself. I’m not sure why anyone would listen to this man.

[@zweigackroyd7301]

The Church is quite clear that the wine and bread change literally into blood and flesh. How does that happen without affecting the molecules? Recall it is the Protestants who say they symbolize those things. Hand-waving and very vague statements don't rebut Fry's point.

[@lazaruslazuli6130]

As a non-Catholic, I never understood how they got past that part about not worshipping 'graven' images with all the Mary worship. I understand they pray to Mary like "hey, Mary, next time you see God, could you ask him for me that...etc. etc." What BS.

[@thecook8964]

I reject Catholicism, but I will point out, images in the church, were to illustrate the Bible for illiterate people who couldn't read back in the day.

[@Paul-ks2fv]

Remember sitting as a 11 yr old genuinely believing that this was happening in front of me.

[@IMO1964]

Hope you understood it all and became a critical thinker

[@AdLockhorst-bf8pz]

Transsubstantiation is playing at being cannibals 🤮

[@condelevante4]

The mystery of the Eucharist is at the heart of existence. The more love you give the more love is created. This is what God is. He literally gives himself to us and we should do the same. Theosis or divinization is to become like God. Of course you don’t have to martyr yourself but you can start by spreading the Love - giving everything about you away. Harden not your hearts

[@andy2950]

You can prove this? Don't quote the bible.

[@condelevante4]

@@andy2950 there are plenty of examples of positive feedback loops in nature. But in the case of God and the spirit I would say what is not material cannot be proved materially.

[@dancedecker]

No it isn't. It's man nade bollocks. And you first have to PROVE that this immoral, idiotic, inhuman, disgusting, despicable, fantasy shithead of a 'god' even exists before you can even start saying what he 'is' or 'can do' or represents. You claim he exists. So now you have the infamous burden of proof. So don't just assert it, as you god bothering muppets can.only ever do....PROVE IT. Or Stfu.

[@dalestreeter341]

I wonder how well Fry would have fared in arguing against Bishop Baron or any other skilled debater on the Catholic side. A lot of Fry's arguments are mere assertions and clever outrage. His exemplify the anti-Catholicism that is so powerful in the UK. He doesn't care very much for the Church of England either.

[@henryramosacosta7746]

The church does not claim you change the molecules, priests are not the ones who forgive sins in confession and the church does not say people outside the catholic church cannot be saved. There are good arguments to make against the catholic church but if you’re going to make up stuff it doesn’t help. Everyone knows some Catholic that thinks this is true but if you’re going to critique church doctrine then read the doctrines and critique that, not what you’ve heard is doctrine

[@Bokkie100k]

He literally quoted church doctrine.

[@allthenewsordeath5772]

@@Bokkie100k , Out of context, and in bad faith, also, with no understanding of metaphysics, or Catholic epistemology.

[@Bokkie100k]

@@allthenewsordeath5772 explain how "Extra ecclesiam nulla salus" was out of context and that it doesn't mean what Fry said

[@allthenewsordeath5772]

@@Bokkie100k Without getting into the meat and potatoes of it for which I would ask that you read your catholic catechism, or find it if you don’t have one laying around, he forgot to include the * after the “there is no salvation outside the church”

[@Bokkie100k]

@@allthenewsordeath5772 what does * mean? Also, I'll take your lack of an actual answer to the question as a sign of defeat.

[@mikebooker6243]

Steven Fry is an exceptionally intelligent man

[@rabgabro6595]

Fry is a hypocrite. He is always happy to self-indulge in mocking Christianity or Islam but never finds a calling to mock his religion, their beliefs, and church...

[@brucetindal7399]

They like laying the hands on children

[@燕北山前萬梅山莊主人]

He is a brave man to say this.

[@saysitallrealy791]

he makes me want to rekindle my catholic faith

[@jonmeador8637]

No Protestant believes that the Catholic Church was the inheritor of Jesus' church. The Founders hated the Catholic Church and laughed at its practices.

[@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039]

Do you mean like Iranaeus, Clement of Rome, Polycarp, Barbaras, and Theophilius? All of them firmly agreed upon the Bishop of Rome being in charge

[@yancypuerto8016]

Faith, hope and love but the greatest of all is love

[@zursmith]

always telling us the trees he don't like but never addressing the forest.

[@mikepettipas690]

ITS NOT A LIE, IF YOU BELIEVE IT !! GEORGE COSTANZA,,,,,,

[@robertbarnier45]

Religion is ridiculous

[@rosemaryallen2128]

Most PRACTICE of religion is ridiculous. But ask yourself, what is reality? What is the spirit which gives me life and identity? How can the universe be infinitely expanding? That is where the concept of a God/Allah is helpful.

[@punt0028]

​@@rosemaryallen2128 , no. Education is helpful.

[@robintaylor7374]

@@rosemaryallen2128 the big bang theory..science maybe ? no, a mythical invisible deity is the obvious answer /s

[@rosemaryallen2128]

@@punt0028 Intellectual awareness throughout life is essential. The path to a sense of Meaning takes many routes.

[@rosemaryallen2128]

@@robintaylor7374 The problem you highlight is the tradition of envisaging God as a cross old man sitting on a cloud, or some external force out in spacetime. The best I can do is to say that spiritual awareness originates in an individual's mind, and takes full advantage of both intellectual capacity and emotion.

[@Isaac5123]

He is so right

[@russbus1967]

Your problem is not with the Church, but with God. If you are not open to God, the Church will never make any sense.

[@Dulaman107]

strange, it started making less sense before I ditched it

[@johntwigg3714]

This church sounds great. How do I join. 😂😂

[@tgwcl6194]

Christ founded the Holy Roman Church. Being a true Christian is impossible without accepting mystery, Stephen. I love Christ and Mary, so I love His Church. After these End Times, the Holy Roman Church will resurrect in its full Glory. Pray daily the mighty holy Rosary! God bless

[@frankpulmanns6685]

Yeah, that first part is pretty much his point...

[@fsinjin60]

Your info is wrong. Christ did not found the Holy *Roman* Church. That would be Peter with Jesus as the foundation on which the *Roman* is built. Jesus did found the holy catholic church but Rome is Peter’s ball of wax.

[@eddiej9733]

@@fsinjin60 there is a clear succession from Jesus to the spreading of his church, it’s establishment as a formal structure and it’s base in Rome. The authority for the ongoing formalisation of the original experiences, beliefs and traditions come straight from Jesus command in Matthew 16:18 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." The progressive complexity of the articles of faith are simply expositions on the original teachings and greater understandings of what was meant in scriptures and the traditions of the apostles and early church

[@fsinjin60]

@@eddiej9733 Peter himself founded the Roman Church. Jesus IS the foundation of all Christendom but the Holy Roman Church comes from the hands of Simon Peter, the first bishop and Pope.

[@eddiej9733]

@@fsinjin60 yes. Peter is the ‘rock’ that Jesus said he would build his church on. Full authority to bind and loose was given to Peter and his successors.

[@newnewhutchison991]

Spot on

[@iainfitz1234]

Might be more productive if he didn’t believe a man can change into a woman.

[@PaGaNism]

he doesn't belive that.

[@iainfitz1234]

@@PaGaNism He does.

[@PaGaNism]

@@iainfitz1234 No he doesn't.... Hitchens' Razor.

[@iainfitz1234]

@@PaGaNism Eh?

[@PaGaNism]

@@iainfitz1234 What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

[@Jeff-z3l3q]

He and Hitch absolutely *destroyed* the RCC in this debate! Stephen got his start with "A Bit of Fry and (Hugh) Laurie" on the early BBC, and were hilarious from the start!

[@Babyluthi]

He got his start at the Edinburgh festival. Footlights.

[@chriswaters926]

Time to end this nonsense.

[@IMO1964]

And their charitable status.

[@JTM1809]

Ah, the secular humanism coming to the fore. “Eradicate this abomination!” Comes to show, how eerily similar militant atheists are to the 14th century Spanish inquisitors.

[@exercisethemind]

That's what you said about Iraq too. How'd that work for you? Maybe you should look again and figure out why people find something valuable, before you try to destroy it and have it blow up in your face instead?

[@callumgoodwin-xz1pu]

He’s never been happy since application for priesthood was rejected.

[@colmivers]

Was this a gay joke?

[@carlseddon2392]

Correct, well said

[@petermanz9874]

Not accurate. Read the catechism or Aquinas.

[@ratatoskr9366]

Exactly. Atheists seem to be absent of any knowledge of history or actual theology within the Church.

[@neiltristanyabut]

and you believed that rubbish?

[@ratatoskr9366]

@@neiltristanyabut Saying you don't believe in Aquinas' writings is like saying you don't believe in Socrates' writings. That makes no sense.

[@neiltristanyabut]

@@ratatoskr9366 aaand how are they alike, hmm?

[@ratatoskr9366]

@@neiltristanyabut philospgy is philosphy. You don't know who Aquinas is do you? Haha

[@Jack458111]

Legendary statement.

[@bernadettelloyd9154]

How sad that he misunderstands the Catholic Church!

[@LaSorciereFeuillue]

Bernadette I can't find the videos you've made explaining the Catholic church ...?

[@bernadettelloyd9154]

@@LaSorciereFeuillue its true I do not make KZbin videos :) but I am always happy to discuss with anyone who is curious the beauty of my Faith!

[@philpeterson8133]

Which would lead one too question what he just said as to its veracity.

[@MrsZambezi]

No, he understands perfectly.

[@philpeterson8133]

@MrsZambezi I'm inclined too believe in what you said!!

[@Quick-n-eg쿠이크앤이지]

I do not like the principles: 1. Pope is infallible. 2. Praying to Mary. I do understand these are traditional practices of the founding church 1,600 years ago (not exact number) when people at that time did not know much. I lean more toward Protestant teachings. I value my personal relationship with Christ.

[@bingbong8649]

In 2000 years no one will know this man’s name

[@righteousshift482]

Sorry, I'm afraid you haven't watched Futurama. Fry's a pretty big deal in the future.

[@lennielefler2081]

And in 2,000 years delusionals will STILL be waiting for Jesus to return as he promised…

[@telltale7266]

​@@lennielefler2081 we are patient

[@philpeterson8133]

​@@telltale7266You had better be!!

[@tyrionlannister6459]

Either you’re an optimist or an idiot, what makes you think this dumpster fire of a planet is around 2000 years more

[@aitzi6732]

It's a cult.

[@openspace3687]

It's a trap!

[@Novarcharesk]

Retard comment. You can call any religion a cult and and any cult a religion. It’s meaningless