Are Manchester United In Serious Trouble?

Manchester United are in big trouble.
Our financial situation is a mess, signings aren’t coming through the
door, but it’s not just that...
We have a serious worry this season. We might finish worse than any of
us could ever have imagined. The season hasn’t started as hoped under
new manager Ruben Amorim, but it could get worse.
I think we might be doomed. Here’s why...
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[@danutd94]

The squad is frighteningly thin. A few more injuries and this could get uglier than Carlos Tevez

[@alexedwards7067]

😂😂

[@Njpro]

FFS 🤣

[@niiaryeearmah5924]

If you know, you know!

[@TSF13]

Ah he went to city he deserves some shit 😂

[@eddiemcalinden2773]

Feckin quality, here, Sir, take all the Internet points 👏 😂😂😂

[@MrValentyne]

Utd fan of over 50 years. I’ve seen good,I’ve seen bad. This is by far the worst I have ever seen. We don’t go into any games now where I feel confident, none! I wouldn’t back us against anybody right now,and I haven’t done for around 2 years. We carry zero goal threat, create very little. And we can’t keep a clean sheet. The only reason we will avoid relegation this season is there are 3 teams who are worse than us. If those 3, Leicester and Ipswich are only marginally worse than us. Wolves are better than us,so are Everton. We are a million mikes off teams like Palace and Brighton, and don’t even mention the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal. It breaks my heart to say it, but I fear it’s over. I fear we are witnessing the demise and downfall of a once mighty and admired club. A club with a rich history. One of the worlds leading sporting institutions. The likes of Matt Busby and Bobby Charlton will be rolling in their graves. I will always love my club….always! But right now I have no faith in it, from top to bottom. I feel sorry for Ruben Amorim because he’s clearly a top coach, but his reputation and his belief in himself must be taking a hammering right now. Thus club is toxic and has destroyed reputations if managers and players alike over the past 10 odd years. It’s become a poisoned chalice. Who right now would take on the role as manager right now? Which top players or even those with huge potential risk their careers by coming here? When an empire crumbles and finally falls it takes sometimes years to get to that stage. Cracks appear, they are not dealt with, the cracks get bigger and bigger. The foundations begging to fail until one day….total collapse. This is the culmination of 20 years of mismanagement, mistakes, failures and downright neglect. And trust me, it isn’t over yet.

[@scottsinner7530]

Fifty years ago they were relegated. This is not worse.

[@ethicalelectricalgroupltd3153]

Relegation will be what gets rid of the glazers as the revenue won’t cover the debt if/when we go down

[@GordyB666]

Calm down. We'll finish mid table and be back to competing for 6-4th next season.

[@1972dsrai]

Lfc fan. Damn! Don’t sugar coat it. Say what you really think. Tbf I hope for your same you’re proven wrong, but the signs aren’t good and the rebuild could take a few years at best. You’re right in that if you’re struggling to compete with the likes of Palace top four is miles away and theres nothing at the club other than history to build on. You’ll be competing for players who will probably not want to be joining a project that has no chance of challenging or competing in Europe so you’re likely only going to be able to attract cheap young prospects and hope Amorim can mould them into what he needs. We went 30 years without winning the title, but we still always remained competitive throughout and picked up major trophies along the way. Hopefully Utd can get back to where they were as the pl is better off having a strong Utd.

[@1972dsrai]

@@GordyB666Thats very optimistic when you can’t even compete with teams like Palace right now.

[@GovernorBandicoot]

To everyone desperately asking for Chido to feature - let's learn from Charlie McNeill. It's a big step up from kids football to the first team and not every future star makes it. Let's wait and if he's ready he'll make it to the first team!

[@milz97y]

With respect, if our youth team setup/coaches think he’s ready and Ruben thinks he’s ready for his first cameo off the bench, then he’s ready. Greenwood was a generational talent and got drip fed into the first team perfectly, his off field baggage to one side, it was 100% the right call to sub him on against psg at 17. Who cares what the fans reckon, our youth team setup is becoming the best in England trust their judgement. Clearly they know how to produce unreal talent atm Greenwood elanga garnacho mainoo to name a few. Trust the process…it’s the one of the few things elite at United atm

[@Galloglaoch]

@@milz97y But that's the thing mate, RUben and the coaches haven't decided he's ready for his cameo. That's why we don't see him playing with the first team. OP's message was to everyone in our fanbase who demands that he's given a chance. If the coaches haven't decided he's ready htne chances are he's NOT. More often than not coaches are wrong about a player being ready when they play him and it turns out too early, the opposite is extreamly rare. Besides can't compare him to Greenwood, Greenwood was (is?) generational. You don't get these type of players more than once every generation and we're in HIS generation still. A combined effort between us and that idiot lead to us losing this generation's product of our academy. Thankfully as you've pointed out it is still an elite academy and it has granted us a few more reasonable players with good potential (Kobe and Garnacho currently making the team better, Collyer a decent squad player atm and hopefully a few more in the coming years).

[@garyeld13]

60+ years supporting United, this is the lowest point! Even when we were relegated the team had more going for it. I love the club and always will, not sure how this will play out but we need some good news!

[@grahamrichardson7851]

Same here!, it’s more depressing now than it was back then.

[@pjo1974]

We haven’t cheated for all our titles. We didn’t win the lottery then go out on the rob. Some minor positives

[@Kilmoveebee]

@@garyeld13 Do you think that we should give some of the youngsters a chance? You obviously remember Norman Whiteside he was the youngest player ever to play for his country in the World Cup. He played well for United until he got caught up in the drink culture.

[@DannyG-cv8so]

Spot on mate. When we came back up in 75, we had Skip to my Lou Macari, Steve Coppell, Gordon Hill etc.

[@Bob-f3x6w]

​@DannyG-cv8so Stuart Pearson,Jimmy Greenhoff and Willie Morgan until Docherty sold him.

[@malpa2345]

We’ve been in serious trouble ever since the Glazers took over

[@stevenlynch33]

Haha, it is the local lad now to blame now not the americanos 😂😂😂

[@keithstitt9532]

Ferguson painted over the cracks with the " no value in the market" talk but it was a clear warning sign. These yanks and Ratcliffe will continue rinsing fans.

[@slashingbison2503]

and you realise its only going to get worse.

[@iainsteele5737]

far worse under ineos. hope this helps.

[@Djsonley]

@@iainsteele5737 It's just not though. They've already put a few hundred million into the club to help ease debt, re-designing the training facilities and building a new stadium. How is that worse than Glazer's who made us go totally broke and put less than a quarter in the club over 20 years? This season IS the Glazer's mistakes perviously catching up with INEOS. Thats why they sold so people like you can claim it's the new guys fault as they clean up the previous mess. We can't sign players because of previous years also.

[@Nykona-Sharrowkyn]

Mentioning Alex Ferguson's worst Premier League finish ignores how United finished 11th in the old First Division in his first season with United AND that in the 1989/90 season he came close to being sacked

[@dodgysmum8340]

Yeah, I went to every home game tht season. We had dolly and daisy at the back, robbo and ince in the middle and hughes/ chocky up top. W a bonus Lee Sharpe on the wing. Tht team PISSES on this one - they were just in transition.

[@wheezyfreire3830]

He finished 11th 2nd 11th 13th first 4 seasons

[@wheezyfreire3830]

People need to just relax and not be pessimistic this energy kills the club the players feel it if they themselves believe they're shit and the fans do to what hope do they have , It's affirmated, We're garbage but we can see glimpses of what the future holds in this club , There's tons of bad but there's also a lot of good, We need to focus on that

[@hschsc1300]

Fergusonn did not inherit nor manage a squad imo as bad as this one in the 1980's. The team he took over may have been threatened with relegation, but consistently finished top 4 for the many seasons prior and nearly won the title the year before. They had: Robson, Strachan, Whiteside, McGrath, and Hughes. United have not finished top four in 3 of the last 4 seasons, and bar Fernandes or maybe Amad have no true quality player.

[@saiyerugara9038]

​@wheezyfreire3830 What's this lot of good that you see, United is 13th. 😂🤣

[@conlethberry1236]

It all comes back to the Glazers and I have no idea what you do about it.

[@count69]

Just by some new players simples lol!!

[@moodswinggaming2972]

The only time the parasites will fall off is when there's nothing left to suck out of us. Sadly that might take a complete crash of the club financially and/or relegation. Or y'know fans could protest with their wallets but that'll never happen enough.

[@slashingbison2503]

yep they aint letting go of the brand its making them a fortune.

[@count69]

@slashingbison2503 Look into the upcoming redevelopment of the area, they are going to make ten times more in the property game, especially when they go rogue with their dark arts. It's a small scale Olympics/World cup type situation similar to South Africa or Brazil. And the Glazers and the Man U assets are right in the centre of that, and you know they will play dirty. Also Alex Ferguson, David Beckham, and Gary Neville are all lined up at this particular trough, and are all on the verge of destroying the last remaining embers of their legacies by getting their hands dirty in these redevelopment plans. They do not have your, or Manchester's, best interests in mind. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the Glazers bought Man U and have held onto the assets so long because of the attached property, and the potential for redevelopment in the area. This is their speciality, like Tescos, in bullying locales to their will, and profiting as many ways as they can. Mark my words, this redevelopment is going to get murky and dirty. I am willing to bet that the Glazers find some way to blackmail the redevelopment purse holders to pay, at least in part, even indirectly, for their new stadium.

[@5C4riot]

Close down Old Trafford until they agree to pay off the debt that they put on our club. But there’s not enough people with the balls to do it.

[@mohamedalryah-nj8yn]

“ the worst fergi position was 3rd” fergi finished 11th twice, and 13th and was almost sacked

[@DDMAN89]

In the premier league perhaps

[@jjufeno]

perhaps he meant in the new premier league era, not since fergie started

[@MJShorts34]

In the premier league era.

[@fibessnaredrum2775]

Agreed. Football existed before the Premier League. He sounds like a rival fan spouting that kinda Shite.

[@Jaybeef1]

INEOS are not interested in football at United, they are here for the real estate. Their real intentions are to make as much money from the stadium development and surrounding area. They are going to sell all the excess land to the government for redevelopment. The land will catapult in value, then there’s non club ownership of the new ground, it will be rented for use by United and all the events, concert income will not go to the club. The club will still be saddled with debt but with no assets. It’s an asset stripping exercise. The honey isn’t on the football pitch. It really couldn’t be any worse.

[@wheezyfreire3830]

In theory , Do you have any solid proof?

[@richyclubsport5155]

Another clueless keyboard warrior

[@jamesmaskell3743]

Ah yes, Ineos with their 28% are making the final call on that... 😂

[@Adventures_with_kepler]

Correct

[@Adventures_with_kepler]

@@wheezyfreire3830you must be stupid mate, totally stupid

[@grahamrichardson7851]

I can’t see us winning the Europa league with no strikers.

[@Reypstraptor4269]

I can, its a shite competitin. Like Lazio is the best team there, we should be avble to beat Lazio if Bruno decides to play good.Just no Spanish teams and we can do it.

[@MRLONG758]

@@Reypstraptor4269 we can barely not lose to relegation fodder in the prem mate

[@SuperHarl007]

​@@Reypstraptor4269 first step should be to forfiet the FA Cup and focus on the europa league. Secure our stay in the EPL those should be the goals. Fa Cup is not useful to us atm.

[@slashingbison2503]

You arent winning the europa league if you had 22 players on the pitch.

[@info0]

@@Reypstraptor4269 there is also Tottenham, Fenerbahce, Galatasaray all better than Man Utd right now and we had trouble beating Rangers and Steaua... -.-

[@lukekingsland4813]

The warning for the europa league is last year with Liverpool thinking it was a formality and along came atalanta who no one fancied

[@bazman05]

That is one hell of a weird take, saying to drop the Europa League. We're done in the league so just pick up whatever points to mathematically make us safe but the league is done for us and the FA Cup has too many dangerous teams left and we don't have the squad for it so the Europa League is all we have and the trickiest team on paper is Spurs and they're a bit of a mess like us and the rest are teams I wouldn't fear. So give your head a wobble Steve. We need European football for next season and it's Europa or bust.

[@CraigCairney83]

Think I’ll spend the weekend re-watching clips from the Treble season. Brings back great memories and takes me out of the modern day Man Utd s**t. ; )

[@neilg6675]

When I do that I'm shocked at how bad the footage is. Its like it was recorded on home video cameras. I'm sure it wasn't that bad at the time

[@pjo1974]

Watch Eric at his best if you really want to feel happy

[@Njpro]

That'll just make me even more depressed at how far we've fallen from that standard we used to set

[@mw56101]

Watch the FA Cup game against Wimbledon, what a United side that was. Dennis Irwin the original inverted wingback

[@beatzguy]

Fergie’s worst position wasn’t 3rd. Didn’t he finish 13th one year?

[@samlarkin4096]

I don’t get how people keep saying we won’t get relegated by end of Feb I think we will be seriously close to bottom 3 Don’t beat Ipswich or Leicester we are in huge trouble Because if we did go down this club will do a Leeds & won’t come back up for a long long time

[@TSF13]

We’re not getting relegated don’t be silly. We’re in no great shakes done get me wrong but to think we won’t get 10 points out of 14 games is stupid

[@samlarkin4096]

@ I will hold you to that because I can guarantee we won’t get to 40 points this season

[@TSF13]

@@samlarkin4096 haha fair enough. I know we’re bad but we’re not THAT bad. Especially now we have a while with just one game a week. I can imagine us starting to improve

[@samlarkin4096]

@ well I like your optimism however we keep losing we & Amorim are bang in trouble & it’s not his fault Ineos have come in & mad glazers look like gods

[@tombardsley3081]

@@samlarkin4096won against Fulham though and going down requires two of wolves, Leicester or Ipswich going on an unbelievable run of form. Leicester and Ipswich currently have less wins combined than what Man United have so I can’t see it unless they do what they did 10 years ago under Pearson to save themselves.

[@Kilmoveebee]

Steve we will be very lucky, on recent form, to be still in the Premier League next season. Amorim was brought in, like Ten Hag, on the success of their systems and both of them have been let down by the United board and now of course Ratcliffe and Ineos. They rushed in got rid of Ten Hag and brought in Amorim mid season, to me they should have left it until the summer to make changes.

[@count69]

What's the point in sticking with a manger you intend to get rid of? If they intended to replace Ten Haag with Amorim, why would you leave Ten Haag in the job for the rest of the season?

[@sutters7251]

@@count69because Amorim didn’t want to come until after the season so he could have a pre-season getting the players onboard with his way of playing.

[@count69]

@@sutters7251 So what you're saying is he is effectively his own interim manager at the moment?

[@Jaydefrei]

I'm fine with us having our worst ever finish. Amorim has all the characteristics of a good coach and a great leader. We need something to change, so let's back him and trust in him for the long term, not just the short term.

[@dymcozzy]

You're exhausted from heart mate I can feel

[@Remi10pm]

Wow, I found a positive comment 📌 📍 🔥 these Blokes lack long term vision & faith 🙄

[@count69]

A good coach who is inflexible in his tactical approach? A good coach would be able to work with what is in front of him. He can't get this group of players to play basic football.

[@Remi10pm]

@count69 Nothings wrong with his tactics. You literally don't complain about his tactics until we lose. Just say ur a Fair weather fan 🙄😪 he's literally working with the lot he has, and yall still complain. Take the piss

[@PinderM157]

The opinion of wanting to go out of the Europa league is mad. CL football is worth more than just the trophy we got along the way.

[@dustinmccrindle343]

It's madness. Staying in Europe via wining either the FA cup or Europa League is way more important than finishing in the top half of the table. 1. It will bring in tens of millions that we desperately need. 2. It's a pull for potential incoming players that we'll be trying to attract. We're going to need every little advantage when trying ro bring in players with how bad our current performance is. 😊

[@1972dsrai]

Lfc fan. Right now INEOS need the revenue and it could seriously affect what Amorim gets to spend in the summer.

[@johnroth7938]

100% disagree. The leqgue should take less of a focus. The fa cup and europa are our lifelines into Europe next year and must be won at all costs.

[@v1kzu]

Memba when we had 4 strikers on the team fighting for one or two positions? Rooney, Van Persie, Chicharito and Welbeck for example. Yorke, Cole, Sheringham and Solskjaer. It goes back all the way to the 90s. Crazy how we have let it come to this. We let Cavani and Ronaldo go and never replaced them.

[@straedeizoizoffle9137]

Tbf how much did they get service anyway?

[@wtfamiactuallyright1823]

Wait, what? Luke Shaw is injured again. I'm not saying this as a joke either, how is this even possible, it's the first time I realised. I've been hearing the comments etc, but just thought people were bitchin about past injuries. Adam was right, this is now worse than Martial and more along the lines of Phil Jones.

[@IR._]

Hasn’t he made like 2 appearances for United in the last year. Probably more appearances for England than for United. He’s not on an insignificant salary either.

[@wtfamiactuallyright1823]

@IR._ I think he's only been on the bench those two times, since England? I don't hold anything against him for playing for England, I do Southgate tho, very bad management. He's a great player, it's a huge shame and I have no idea how we're going to offload him.

[@ymca4547]

@@IR._ it's utterly preposterous. Shaw missed half the season, miraculously turned out for England, and injured again after the Euros ended. Under SAF he would've been sold or released for such an action, the club got absolutely no return on that investment last season.

[@wtfamiactuallyright1823]

@ymca4547 I don't think SAF would have sold him for that reason, he would have been replaced after the injury that started it all. This England criticism, is pointless.

[@IR._]

@wtfamiactuallyright1823 yeah came off the bench twice under Amorim. His latest set of injuries go all the way back to Feb of last year if I remember correctly. An entire calendar year. I don’t have an issue with him playing for England either, it should have been up to the people around him to tell him he wasn’t ready.

[@ColinParrott]

Please stop this negativity get behind the team your support is much needed we are all in it together

[@Remi10pm]

These will be the same lot in glee when we win 😂😂 fair weather shi>te Fans smh. The same crowd that got Greenwood axed 🪓 I love Man Utd, I ABHOR our "Fan Base" 🤡

[@amirtawfik7495]

Being realistic is not like being negative. He actually optimistic in some sort of

[@ssheldon1616]

I wouldn’t be concerned about “competitions” right now because we offer very little. Just be happy if we stay up. If anyone is surprised where we are at, you are off your nut. I figured we would land in the 40-45 points area for the season. All this talk about a new stadium is just a distraction. Ineos have yet to sustain success with any sporting venture they have had over time, and United will be no different. Buying players for a system will be another nail in this coffin, if there is room for more. Buying properly taught, intelligent, relentless footballers is the better way to go. Far too much attention on systems and not enough on effort, movement and football IQ. There is way more to what is happening than we know, and it’s frightening at best.

[@FootballChatbox]

Even if one game a week could be beneficial for the squad right now, our only ticket to any European football next season is most likely either winning the fa cup or the Europa league. Without any European football next season means an impact to the already small transfer budget that's available for the summer. So we kinda have to try our best to go all the way in these two tournaments.

[@stephenwalton2633]

If we don’t have an Academy filled with players that are not at least as good as Hojlund and Zirkzee then the Academy needs dumping . After all, it’s a pretty low bar.

[@count69]

I think the academy is the least of your problems!

[@n7manu]

Our remaining fixtures are kind of frightening considering anybody we play outplay us! We can't even rely on our home games to get us through it's Squeaky bum time lads 😬

[@richyclubsport5155]

Summer spending will depend on European football, why winning the FA cup or Europa league is vital.

[@count69]

There's one word in there that is the route of your issues - "winning". You have to actually WIN to win.

[@saiyerugara9038]

​@count69 😂🤣😂🤣 Exactly lol!

[@Adventures_with_kepler]

It’s the least of the issues really

[@richyclubsport5155]

@@Adventures_with_kepler seriously it's huge

[@geoffreymorley9906]

Can someone explain how we have no money now and the restrictions with FFP and in 6 months those issues will be gone so we can go mad and spend, spend, spend? Dont we owe millions in transfer fees that are due any day? Revenue is going to be down just from the league position. I get we're hoping to get rid of the big earners but they haven't gone yet....just out on loan. What am i missing here? Oh and the huge debt from the lovely Glazers......still there the last time i checked. Things feel so bad i think relegation is a real possibility and everyone is just ignoring it.

[@Brooksey01]

Of course we're in massive trouble this shouldn't even be a question

[@jrv_27]

We're Cooked like Barcelona

[@manni192]

Barca won the title 2 seasons ago, came 2nd in this years CL group scoring goals for fun. They are in a much better state than us bro.

[@jrv_27]

@manni192 that's poor analysis bro. I'm talking about the financials.. debts upon debts & more debts etc

[@manni192]

@@jrv_27 Fair enough bro and I get where your coming from. The difference between the 2 clubs is that Barca are still bringing in money from the pitch through winning the league/competing every season and performing well in the CL. We are missing both of those elements and as such makes us in a worse position financially. They also have La Masia to help build their first team or sell academy players. Their owners also didnt lump a £35m consultancy fee onto the club (part sale to Sir Jim) and their ground renovation is well underway nearing completion within 2 years.

[@hansj5846]

We owe £319m in transfer payments for players we already have. Most of them not good enough and on their way out... £154m must be paid next year (from the Athletic). The reality of being in debt has caught up with us real fast

[@steve13191]

look at our remaining league fixtures there is a serious argument that we have real chance to lose 90 percent of them.

[@stevenlynch33]

When you walk through a storm Hold your head up high And don't be afraid of the dark At the end of a storm There's a golden sky And the sweet silver song of a lark Walk on through the wind Walk on through the rain For your dreams be tossed and blown Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

[@leemccccccc999]

@@stevenlynch33imagine actually typing that you plastic bin dipper

[@saddammall3337]

The senior squad needs to be thin...inoder for that u18 champs to break through on bulk ...the kids wil bring that intensity...

[@ShinnaDEW]

In regards to financials its even worse. 370mil to pay for installments on recent tranfers needs to be paid with next 2yrs. And usualy a construction like renovate or heck even rebuild will end up at +30% over scheduel budget. Another thing to consider. The club already have to pay high interest rates for debt/loans. Taking another 2bil for a Stadium will only increase that numbers. Sure naming rights can be sold. Would you like homegames at the "Snapdragon New Trafford"? The biggest and most important thing going forward would be getting debt free! And im not 100% sure SirJim would invest +1bil into it. Even if INEOS would manage to buy out the Glazers. Overall we talk about total of +1,4bil in debt.

[@chrisclassical7]

all united need to do is get off the stock exchange and then they can cook the books like everyone else

[@dustinmccrindle343]

About how much would a club like United get per season for naming rights? City get 15mil. That kind of money would pay for a decent signing or two. Or actually chip away and pay down the debt. Any idea how much the debt servicing is that counts toward FFP?

[@ShinnaDEW]

@@dustinmccrindle343 For a famous Club like United you can expect approx 20mil per Season. When Bayern renew their contract couple years ago. They agreed a 13mil/yr for 10 year deal.

[@dustinmccrindle343]

@@ShinnaDEW that sounds fair. We're terrible at the moment, but still one of the biggest clubs in world football, as a brand. Crazy thought: 20mil wouldn't even cover 66% if Cassa + Rashfords wages... 😅😅😅 We seriously need to move on a lot of players!

[@ShinnaDEW]

@@dustinmccrindle343 Yep. This squad needs a major overhaul. Basicly replace every one other then maybe 4 or 5 players. And that will take at the very least 4 windows.

[@JakeDriver]

What's sad is INEOS will likely cop all the flak for it when in reality they've bought into a complete and utter disaster.

[@barbarohelm9697]

Nobody forced them .they knew about the land .. they could of stipulated that the debt went

[@JakeDriver]

@barbarohelm9697 You are right no one did force them but fuck me the Glazers letting it get this bad is unforgiveable. One of the biggest clubs on the planet and we are a shadow of our former self.

[@Adventures_with_kepler]

Then they are thick

[@Brooksey01]

Oh Ineos are the ones who kept the Glazers at united we need to get both ineos and the glazers out of our club i can't stand either

[@Brooksey01]

17th 😂😂

[@barbarohelm9697]

Glazers should pay off their debt first . Or be forced to sell more shares . Cant share holders sue owners for incompetent running of the business

[@krisphackett6855]

The debt is Man Utd's though. Used to buy players and can only be paid off from revenue the club generates; it all counts on the PSR accounts.

[@Njpro]

United Muppetiers explained this in a video about 2 days ago. It's not that simple...

[@matthewbaker2573]

@@krisphackett6855 no it isn't. the debt was levied against the club after the Glazers borrowed the money to buy the club. You don't know what you are talking about

[@richyclubsport5155]

​@@Njprowhat an excellent video it was, James is the only one I trust for accurate information on anything United.

[@Birdman686]

We not competing whilst that debt exists. The debt needs clearing 1st imo, in terms of ffp that’s a massive burden to carry. We’re hamstrung by that every financial year, we’d blow everyone out of the water with zero or little debt to manage.

[@danielberry4765]

Nonsense. The glazer debt costs 20m a year. That doesn’t stop us competing

[@Birdman686]

@@danielberry4765 By 2015, the cumulative cost to Manchester United of being owned by the Glazers exceeded £1 billion in interest payments, financing costs, and other outflows.  As of March 2022, the club’s gross debt stood at £592 million, only slightly less than the £603 million reported at the end of their first year under Glazer ownership.  In summary, over the past 20 years, Manchester United has expended over £1 billion on debt-related payments, encompassing interest, financing costs, and dividends.

[@Birdman686]

@@danielberry4765 By 2015, the cumulative cost to Manchester United of being owned by the Glazers exceeded £1 billion in interest payments, financing costs, and other outflows.  As of March 2022, the club’s gross debt stood at £592 million, only slightly less than the £603 million reported at the end of their first year under Glazer ownership.  In summary, over the past 20 years, Manchester United has expended over £1 billion on debt-related payments, encompassing interest, financing costs, and dividends. That has a major effect on our ability to compete. Glazers out!

[@Kryptonomicxs]

Amorim’s squad's ‘getting thin’ with two injuries, while Ten Hag had 27 and that wasn't an excuse.

[@danielberry4765]

Ten hag was responsible for the injuries

[@Kryptonomicxs]

@@danielberry4765 righhhhtttttt

[@richyclubsport5155]

Exactly 64 different injuries and he was a bad coach, seriously some are totally deluded, we're going backwards currently.

[@rekzahogk6476]

Because Ten Hag's results were just as bad if not worse without the injuries.

[@Kryptonomicxs]

@@rekzahogk6476 he finished 3rd without the injuries ,"not his players" and won a cup u doofus....with injuries he finished 8th and still won a tophy...the 3rd year he played few games and his wins are still the reason u man are on paper not in relegation right now...keep glazing amorim

[@Kilmoveebee]

I have to say that I take exception to the arrogant way that you replied to me, I was under the impression that we were having a civil discussion about the plight that our club is in, I have been supporting United for over 55 years, I was a season ticket holder until I returned to Ireland. The Club are in deep trouble with our forwards having a problem finding where the goal is we have players in the Academy who do not appear to have that problem, do you not think that perhaps they should be given the chance? What have we got to lose we are sliding down the league anyway and maybe just maybe a couple of these youngsters could do a job like Amad or Mainoo or Garnacho.

[@stevecooke2893]

Its really dependent on other factors. Your not getting relegated, that's bolted on for me, at least not this season. But your gonna take a pretty big hit financially. No Europe money, less prem money and likely a dip in sales with the economy being terrible. Now, your apparently getting a new stadium from the tax payer, you still have a huge international fan base and you still get some great sponsorship deals as long as you stay up. Not the best news, but its not exactly apocalyptic

[@Cuchulain-rk1kw]

What did Amorim think he was signing up to? Was he told there was money for players? If not why would he come to OT?

[@wayneflynn8698]

Short answer yes! We will get relegated before winning another league or champions league just down to the glazer mismanagement for so long.

[@chrisdun9272]

It's a tough situation, guy's, and it's gonna get worse before it gets better... as rangnick said we need open heart surgery, and amorim is the surgeon... all we can hope for is that we dont get dragged into the relegation battle because I'd be worried we dont have the mentally to see it out... next season will be better, hopefully, but we gotta get behind the team, and the manager we need to stop thinking were still a top 6 team because were not currently but under amorim we might be again.. this club needs this humbling for things to change.. money didn't fix things previously. Why do we think 100+mil would fix it now.. the players' attitudes are off and should never have been signed.. team needs gutted so we can build from the ground up again.. its tough but we need this

[@richyclubsport5155]

Ineos are the surgeons

[@count69]

Amorim is not the surgeon lol!

[@jtl1380]

Leceister seems to be a team that is a "get well" match for Utd this season. Really hopeful that Hojlund or Zirkzee or both can find a goal or 2 tonight & start gaining some confidence. We saw last year that Hojlund is capable of scoring goals in bunches when he's playing with confidence & getting the ball. I'd love for Chido Obi to be a solution, but the lad is what 16? Shouldn't be relied on for anything other than a cameo right now.

[@saiyerugara9038]

@@jtl1380 Well, this aged well I suppose.

[@chrish3208]

Winning the Europa would effectively mean £75-100m more to spend on players with the extra income, so worth going all out for.

[@count69]

It's simple really, just WIN a European competition, if only others had realised it was that easy! You do realise you have to play other teams and actually BEAT them at soccerball on a pitch with players? It might not be your decision to win the Europa league?

[@mettycarpenter3267]

As far as I’m concerned!!! It’s not the biggest issue. The existing team is not good enough or doing the required work needed at a colossal club like ours!!! The narrative needs to shift!!!! These players need to show their mental strength and resilience!!!! If we get this team firing and DOING WHAT THERE SUPPOSED TO DO AND BEING WHAT THEY NEED TO BE!!! WE ARE MANCHESTER UNITED!!!! We gotta do better. Regardless of the SHIT SHOW!!! These boys need to stand up and fight!!!! Fight for each other!!! Fight for us!!! Fight for the Badge!!! That’s what is necessary!!! From the players that we do have…. GGMU FOREVER!!!!

[@mettycarpenter3267]

Cuz there’s a 17yr old at Barcelona who is killing it!!! And could easily win the ballon d’or by the time he’s 21!!!! COME ON!!! LETS GO!!!

[@MrRokkit]

*"Backing the manager" isn't a solution.* For us, it's the definition of madness. The root of our problems are _not_ on the pitch. Time for INEOS to walk the walk. We need a club that doesn't collapse with every change in management.

[@count69]

Someone who gets it. Man U fans back and forth with the blame game - "It's the players" - "No, it's the manager" - when neither can work properly in the current system and set up. Until the fundamental way MU approach it's daily business changes, then no manager or players will fix this on the pitch.

[@dodgysmum8340]

Why wld u think INEOS wld do the right thing, based on previous behaviour? We don’t hv money to buy this summer. Only winning the FA or the europa can save us, short a proper financial restructuring and there’s no fecking sign of that. We need to give it everything.

[@danielberry4765]

Financial restructuring like the cuts people are bitching about.

[@mjsteier]

Big trouble under Ineos .

[@Kilmoveebee]

Let’s not forget “ The Class of 92” 6 young players that were brought into the first team and the rest is history. We have young talented players, we are in deep trouble particularly in the forward line, the Academy is the only place now to look for help, give some of these youngsters a chance.

[@matthewbaker2573]

what you are forgetting is there was a healthy mix of experienced players among them. Bruce 32, Pallister 27, Schmeichel 29, Irwin 27, Kanchelskis 24, Cantona 27, McClair 29, Hughes 29. This is not a computer game, it's real life, experience is MASSIVE in football, and this clown is getting rid of experience for youth

[@telewag-travel]

In other words, you have no idea what you are talking about, and wasn't watching Utd at the time. This is such a stupid cliche. There was already a squad of experienced and talented players those youth players were added too.

[@TSF13]

Look at the squad they came into. Big difference

[@grahamshaw3802]

A very different time the league was much weaker

[@count69]

Like Rashford? Oh wait! What makes you think Academy players will fair any better in a MU team than seasoned professionals? Your entire pipeline is broken - recruitment > training - bringing in Academy players will only break them like you do with every player that goes onto your books.

[@liamhearne146]

This team doesn't have what it takes to get out of a relegation battle if we get dragged into one.

[@AL71B]

It’s going to be close come the end of the season. We could lose 9 of our remaining games, the others possible wins/draws. Go through the games - it’s worrying the way we are performing right now. Got to give youth players a chance, especially in striker position.

[@simonsparks7540]

After every shitty January window we get the spin of ‘the summer targets are xxxx’ and ‘United are looking to do better stuff in the future’ what’s new? They (glazers) will always use this period to distract us. Just stay angry at them and don’t except the excuses.

[@Kilmoveebee]

I’m well aware of the team that these young lads came into but we are in deep trouble and Ten Hag gave some young lads a chance promoted them to the first team and they settled in well. Amorim could maybe give a few maybe 15 minutes ease them in and let’s see how they progress.

[@bradmodd7856]

I have a strong feeling Amorim got stitched up proper, no wonder he is getting snappy with people, I will admire the character of this man if he can pull something this season.

[@johnrider5701]

I've been a fan since 1967 and I see no end to the decline of our club. United are not just doomed United is dying and the end is near.

[@newhappiness4410]

Don’t won’t have a proper attacking left back if Dorgu gets injured. Amass is not ready

[@spaceswan2605]

Been in the worst of mires for years, and will be until we stop giving huge fees away to pay interest on a debt that makes thieves richer. Its a scandal, and until Ratcliffe pays that debt, nothing changes. Whether he's prevented from doing so by said thieves is another matter. Truly the worst crime in the history of the sport, stealing great childhood memories from young reds, and stealing the joy from all of us on a weekly basis. All for more profit for people who couldn't spend it in ten lifetimes. Disgusting.

[@ScottFord-qw3lg]

25/26 Maignan/Bayindir, Maz/Yoro, De Ligt/Harry, Butcher/Inacio, Amad/Frimpong, Ugarte/Rigg, Bruno/Gomes, Dorgu/Leon, Mbuemo/Mainoo, Cunha/Garna, Gyrokes/Hojlund. Est 320M spend, 195M sales in Onana Shaw, Malacia, Dalot, Rashy, Mount, Zirkzee and Casemiro, 125M net with youth of Heaven, Chido etc coming through. Let's go

[@starbug5399]

I get the impression that the lack of spending was predetermined. I'm here for it. For all the chasing and spending, it's about time we just stopped and took stock. Our youth has killed it over the last couple of years, and if we don't start giving more of them a chance, then we will not get the best young talent going forward. Who wants to play for a club that doesn't give you a chance. Wild to say that about United, I know, but we have panicked into playing first team players who underperform on a consistent basis.

[@esclad]

MU are at a 50/50 tipping point that will decide the future of the club for years to come. It all comes down to the mega money in the Champions League next year. If MU are not in it; due to the the loss of revenue the club will have to shrink, sell players & go backwards- whilst the top 5 who are in it will take huge steps forwards in bolstering & further securing their positions at the top for the future. Each year the gap will get wider & wider and the mountain higher & higher to climb to get back to the top. On the flipside, if MU do find themselves in the CL next year, the job of getting back to the top just gets so much easier with all that money.

[@1972dsrai]

All rival fans are questioning is Amorim definitely the guy who can fix this team. Its a huge job for anyone and he doesn’t have most experience tbf. I suppose fans don’t have much option but to back him and pray things will improve. Challenging for top four is some way off when they can’t compete with Palace.

[@glennwhitehead1178]

We are thinking on the ground, squad wise. But bringing those youth players into the first team this season isn’t a good idea. I do think we’ll see at least 3 of them though, who do well in preseason and feature considerably next season.

[@manishmohite2393]

I only want one thing - Put stadium project on hold and instead clear the debt first. Those interest payment should be going to our PSR and allow us more transfer activity.

[@ColsPlaying]

Sabitzer, Amrabat and even Weghorst would do wonders for our squad right now.

[@mw56101]

I know this is delusional and just a coping mechanism but i keep thinking back to England's performances at the Euros and what a difference a proper left back made, I'm just hoping having Dorgu allows the team to click and attack more. We need both wing backs to be offensive, Dorgu and Amad then we can attack with 5 players rather than 3

[@aboudhussein902]

Ste these are videos that set you apart from every other fan reaction, review , watch along , podcast non sense! Keep on!

[@thepiratepeteshow2684]

I was in panic mode how we can afford to build. But thinking about it, if they sign Pogba and he is still class, then they can focus on an end product striker. They can buy a cheap midfielder for the future. And 2 progressing wingbacks. That won't challenge but could be a top 4 team. But this will cost 180m to do, they may need to sell Garnacho in the summer

[@ruairikinney]

Lots of big hitters in the FA Cup who need a trophy to save their season. The standard in the Europa League is actually lower (Lazio/Bilbao the top dogs?), and with a better pay off. Prioritise Europe. Can't believe we didnt bring in reinforcements up front to go for it, if a short term solution took us back into the Champions League he could pay for himself with a handful of goals

[@kevinreece6475]

A healthy dose of realism from Ste. Concentrate on the Cups, and our young academy players, ready for next season.

[@alanthomaswilliamson]

Yes they are Steve… sick of it

[@ste4392]

The financial situation is the one benefit of the doubt I give Ineos, because it's such a huge task to get us back to being able to spend and that's without the stadium and debt

[@Kris__dk]

Mentioning Eriksen in the same sentence as Casemiro is outright disrespectful. Can’t take away what he has accomplished, but Eriksen still contributes greatly to the team.

[@danielberry4765]

Eriksen barely plays. 200k a week, it’s a mad overspend

[@Kris__dk]

@ He plays more than Casemiro does. I'm not saying he's our future creative midfielder, but there's no reason to be disrespectful.

[@danielberry4765]

@@Kris__dk He plays more than Casemiro. Thats hardly an achievement. Eriksen is what, 5th choice now ?. Casemiro being 6th ?. 200k a week for 5th choice cm

[@Kris__dk]

@ We don't even have 5 fit midfielders 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@danielberry4765]

@@Kris__dk Ugarte Fernandes Mainoo Collyer 5. Eriksen 6. Casemiro

[@troborobo-1]

At this point everything I hear is white noise-my ears are buzzing and my eyes are fixed on the manager.

[@Hndrx88]

"Luke Shaw is injured again." Now that's a surprise... said no one ever😐

[@Selambehere]

Ste, i think we are going to prioritize Europa. we simply need the money to rebuild. We might choose to throw the FA Cup and finish 16th or 17th in the league, so that we can focus on Europa. With no europe next season, according to the mupp...we can buy a striker and Quenda everything else is sell to buy! Meaning we will need to sell Rashford, Anthony, Casemiro, one of the strikers, one of the Goalies, or Garnacho inorder to buy a left center-back, a midfielder, a forward and Goalkeeper at the minimum. I don't know...i'm not sure we can move on any of those guys effectivelly, except Garna. It might have to be Garnacho and that might give us extra £120m-£150m to spend. We will see...

[@tigreclaws]

Why are Yanited channels fixated on the sabotaging themselves. Either the Manager leaving - quitting or sacked, or throwing potential silverware smh.

[@Njpro]

It's that "In my video back in...I said this would happen" mentality sadly. Plus, negativity albeit based in truth is always easier especially on this platform and because it's United it'll fit hand in glove

[@mfcorp9608]

@@Njprotrue Negative or fear inspiring videos do very well on youtube

[@richyclubsport5155]

Anything for KZbin ££££s

[@JohnD-qn6st]

This season is all about survival both on and off the field, I believe we will finish on 39pts hopefully that’s enough!

[@tombardsley3081]

Should be ok with that. To go down with that requires all the teams below to pick up significantly more points than they have so far in less than half a season. It’s a 12 point gap to the drop zone so United need to lose 4 and the clubs behind to at least win 4 for it to even be level.

[@luckythrone893]

The Europa league is very winnable with no champions league clubs dropping in. I say we should focus on it.

[@garethtaylor7437]

Stei agree with 90%of your vid. I defo think playing some of the young lads might give these lads a lift in energy alone. However i think the europa league is very important. We need to win it for that champions league dough to hopefully be able to go turbo in the summer. Just my thoughts pal. Enjoy the game. Me and my lad are going. Stretford end upper. Hoping for a good win.

[@abubakarabdullahi2615]

I think as long as we don't get into the relegation scrap I feel that should deal with it as fans to give the Boss a chance to see his ideas fully blossom. I'd rather we don't qualify for Europe to really focus on developing our squad

[@TheOmniscientAtheist]

We have a good manager, some decent players, and some good youngsters to come up. It's the ownership that concerns me the most. I was gutted when Ineos got in. If you look at how they run their other businesses it's really worrying. They don't have enough money and Sir Jims team doesn't have enough experience in top level football in my opinion.

[@martinwalker6172]

It doesn't matter where you finish...well, I guess we can win the Championship next season maybe.

[@TheleanMachine619]

It’s a horrible situation but….. maybe some of the youth come through and nail down a spot which is never a bad thing

[@aj-cr2le]

The europa league should be prioritized at this point now, rest players, play youth players in the league. Not saying United will win it, but it should be the main priority. You want him to focus on training with 1 game a week by getting knocked out of europa, when he hasn't even got wingbacks for his system or a striker. All it takes is 3/4 top quality right signings in the summer and the dynamics of the team changes drastically. Gyokeres/Cunha/ top level wingback pls Ineos give this man what he needs.

[@philtaylor8863]

I agree with playing more kids. Not chucking them in the deep end but more minutes. It’s perfect now effectively a giant pre season. Collyer has been great. Who knew until he got thrown in v Arsenal only probably the hardest team to play. So give more kids more minutes. As you say it’s the tradition of the club what we are most famous for the babes the class of 92. Let’s do it again.

[@christopherdewet2836]

Apparantly man utd prayer groups are growing at a rapid pace. Jesus needs to take the wheel.

[@kwekujt]

I’m struggling to understand how all the blame is being laid on the players being shit. Clearly some of it has to go to Amorim, who in my opinion hasn’t pulled up any trees so far. We brought him in because we felt the squad was underperforming. Yes I agree we need to get better players to get back to the top. But we do not need a team of superstars to beat the likes of Wolves and Palace. We have better squads than those teams. If Amorim cannot get a tune of this squad, and even bring some players through, then why should he get backed in the summer?

[@augisrk]

We don’t need 1bn on squad, we do need money spend but Amorim will work with young talent which will be cheaper and we will be able to resell players. Plus we have a great crop of u-18 players coming up.

[@richardlittlejohn8184]

Love these honest and frank videos

[@qwencyvalentino5567]

The Europa League is more important than any other competition at the moment

[@IR._]

Academies can and have saved many teams over the years. Just look at Barca right now. Or United going back many years. We have a manager that has a great track record with youth players. And a technical director with an academy background. Hope that translates into putting faith into some of these kids. Not only because “they’ll save us”. But because that’s what this club is all about.

[@jonathanlamb9024]

I think we'll be going out of the fa cup tonight to be honest and we'll finish 16th in the league and if things don't improve in the summer next seasons definitely a relagation battle mark my words things will get alot worse.

[@dairereilly8905]

At least Mazraoui has experience in the 10 position so we have an extra option in attack…

[@DannyChean]

Financially they gotta do what they gotta do. As long as the team doesn't get relegated, I am totally fine with wherever we end up in the league. 13? Fine. 15? Fine. 17? Okay. Do better next season.

[@Nicholas-i6j]

I’m watching your content rather than the match … tells you everything.

[@abergreg]

I'd be more than happy to see us in League Two for a couple of years so that the Glazer malignancy would come to an end.

[@DarioBrubeck]

F**kin DOOOOOOMED Ste. But things must get worse to get better. So time to ride the storm. Square pegs...round holes.

[@lawrencebuckley4750]

For me , transfer embargo till debt is cleared, play the academy players even at the risk of relegation, a massive reset needed.

[@leonhuggins7579]

Trying to convince my 7yr old to be a united fan is a lost cause at the mo.....im just thankfull he doesnt like city but he does love Sallah and Vvd so thats a worry but i got nothing to convince him he just says , yeah they where good in the olden days 🤦🤦

[@dalexlewis]

"...this is the worst team in club history". Love Manchester United (40yr supporter) more than any man fortunate enough to don that jersey. A midfield and forward clear out, minus Bruno, Kobbie, Amad, Ugarte, Toby directed by the gaffer, would no doubt turn our results around. Rough days ahead.