Steve vs. Scully (Full Scene) | Steve Jobs

[@lundylow]

I love how percussive Jeff Daniels's pronunciation is when he gets upset. "Coopertino in the middle of the fuckin night" is so satisfying to my ears.

[@andrewgundy3045]

lol I know exactly what you mean

[@metroid767]

Cupertino

[@solame4983]

Couperteeno

[@dougy0324]

Yes !! Me too lol

[@danieldevito6380]

I love that part also

[@tomace4898]

"We showed a lot of happy people drinking Pepsi! We didn't say the world was going to end if you bought a Dr. Pepper!"

[@cyberperson53]

"AND we showed the product!"

[@trewhite7903]

@@cyberperson53 “you think the secret to your success is not assuming people knew what to do with a can of soda?”

[@loopwoop]

Exquisite execution and quite memorable delivery 👌

[@MrTrincent]

Now Dr. Pepper has surpassed Pepsi

[@thom2185]

Yes, they were the words .

[@trewhite7903]

i remember being like 15 in the theatre watching this scene and realizing for the first time the power a good script can have - never been the same ❤

[@P.MoMoney61]

Aaron Sorkin, great writer. I loved this and 'The Social Network'.

[@cameronbrown8384]

@@P.MoMoney61As well as The Trial of the Chicago Seven. His directorial debut, if im not mistaken.

[@pioneermac3802]

I remember my first beer. Alright kiddo, settle down. The POWER... Lol; I don't think 2015's Steve Jobs was cinema's, "Power..", moment.

[@movielover828]

@@cameronbrown8384"Molly's Game" was Sorkin's directorial debut

[@KMcNally117]

I'll protect Woz... Until he asks me to acknowledge the Apple II team.

[@souvikmondal6161]

Lmao

[@natethegreat1999]

He’ll protect Woz the same way a bully older brother protects his little brother.

[@Ironworthstriking]

Never happened. It was Sculley who wouldn’t acknowledge the Apple II Team.

[@danieldevito6380]

That whole part, like much of this movie, was made up for entertainment purposes.

[@nicholaslong4360]

@@Ironworthstriking Ya gotta give us the proof brotendo, I believe ya but Im dyin here

[@jerryiverson5363]

It's sad really. Steve was right about the Mac but he was wrong about the way he handled it and ultimately caused his own dismissal. He had no one to blame but himself but he couldn't admit it. A narcissist can never be wrong because they have a hard time accepting blame.

[@kirishima638]

The only thing he was ‘right’ about was the price of the mac.

[@litjellyfish]

@@kirishima638so what was he wrong about? I mean as windows copied the Macs UX a lot. And Mac’s still exists today. Seems it was more than price that he was right about?

[@kirishima638]

@@litjellyfish the (original) mac was a failure. It had no slots, no upgradability, no color, no compatibility, no software support, not enough memory, no fan so it overheated, one slow and noisy 400kb floppy. But the Apple III was also a failure, which forced Apple to fix the mac platform instead, which they did with the Macintosh II (slots, memory, color, 800kb drives and hard drive).

[@dustinholt7308]

The MAC was garbage

[@WinWin-oo4uk]

Your judging Steve based on the first part of the movie in which he is portrayed as a neurotic.

[@john_drennon]

Regardless of the accuracy of this movie, it’s compelling af. So good.

[@Bethos1247-Arne]

a masterpiece. The writing is very good. The filming is superb. The acting is beyond the scale.

[@haydenhuh2]

The best quote I've heard about the film is "none of it happened, but all of it's true"

[@WatercraftGames]

@@haydenhuh2 the definition of a biopìc

[@WatercraftGames]

@@haydenhuh2 biopics in a nutshell

[@lacyvalenti9523]

The conversations never happened, but what they describe 100% did.

[@ashjogalekar8814]

Michael Fassbender was great in this movie, but Jeff Daniels totally steals this scene. He's phenomenal.

[@ttsk]

Jeff Daniels is such an amazing talent, I remember watching him in The Newsroom and glued to the screen for every episode.

[@Bethos1247-Arne]

agree. He is no John Scully, does not look like John Scully (though Fassbender also does not even remotely looks like Steve Jobs) but Jeff Daniels allowed me to understand John Scully thanks to Daniels' acting skills. A great actor.

[@BlakeWR81]

Daniels is incredible when performing Sorkin dialogue. His portrayal of Will McAvoy in The Newsroom is one of my favorite performances.

[@Bethos1247-Arne]

@@BlakeWR81 Daniels' special ability seems to be portraying a multi-layered, good hearted man which has to make some tough decisions. In this scene he shows a remarkable performance when Michael Fassbender turned it up to eleven, playing Steve Jobs. Fassbender's presence is physical like he could grab at me through the screen, Daniels however was able to stand up, being the counterweight. And somehow both actors sell their role while not even looking like the historic person.

[@divinity176]

To all the "Steve was right" people - no, he was right about almost nothing until he came back to the company later on as a much more polished businessman. Every project he worked on in his stint ended with a terrible product (nothing to do with price or marketing, they were useless) and the only worthwhile product that the company actually had (Apple II) was something he kept trying to kill because it wasn't his. Scully being wrong about a bunch of stuff too doesn't make Jobs any more right.

[@litjellyfish]

He was right and wrong. Mac was right and wrong and unpolished. If it was bad why did Apple not cancel it. No basically they continued on a less expensive and slower roadmap. That’s it

[@henrypeters5291]

He was not even right about that. Jobs had a problem with timing. He wanted to for there to be a computer in every home but the problem with that is that computers at the time did not really do that much. At most, you could use them for business purposes like accounting and bookkeeping. And so he begrudged the very audience who was buying his product.

[@litjellyfish]

@@henrypeters5291 that is true. He was ahead of time so to speak (which he learned his lesson later with great success) But what that reasoning all the work Xerox did was also wrong. I mean they totally failed with Star externally and one can say Alto internally as the core team got dissolved and put on other things. So I am all for that Steve was wrong. As long as the people at Xerox who did great innovation in GUI and system also was wrong. It can’t be cherry picking here. It’s one way or the other right?

[@litjellyfish]

@@henrypeters5291 well that is not entirely true. Home computers (not pc) like even Apple II itself. c64, Atari 800 and tons of other 8 bit systems from around 1980-1984 was located in decent amount of homes was was used to compose music, draw and play games one. So not hair for business.

[@henrypeters5291]

@@litjellyfish It depends on how you would define decent. The computer adoption rate when the Mac first came out was less than 10%. On the one hand, that is about 10-15 million homes but we did not cross 50% until around 2000.

[@richardmcconnell2520]

Daniel Pemberton’s score underpins this so well. Swelling up and carrying the momentum of the scene. Incredible

[@Bethos1247-Arne]

the music in this movie is outstanding.

[@colossvs_iii]

"I forced the vote because I believed I was right. I STILL believe I'm right! AND I'M RIGHT!"

[@danieldevito6380]

The best part!

[@Nicole19989]

​@@danieldevito6380no, the best part's the next line.

[@patrickwhelpley1745]

I always felt he says it a third time to reassure himself. I was right..I am right and the last I’m right is louder. Just something I’ve always noticed when I watch this film.

[@monotech20.14]

But he wasn't right. There is a reason why PCs sold far better than Apple at the time and even to this day. Mac's suck unless you need it to do on specific thing very good.

[@colossvs_iii]

@@monotech20.14 it's like he's saying it to convince himself.

[@tc2241]

The Apple II was easily one of Apples greatest achievements, to hear how much Steve hated it was eye opening

[@Nicole19989]

The main reason for the Apple II's success was Woz.

[@nativewood]

He hated it because it wasn't his creation. Jobs created a career on 'what if' then had other people create that 'what if' then said it was his.

[@AmanDeep-fg3im]

@@nativewood😅 in today’s time thinking what if is a gr8 task if u really ponder my friend

[@pallavsinha9391]

@@nativewood 'what if' is the most riskiest and the most effective way of making something that doesnt exist. that being said, Jobs was a terrible business in the first decade of apple, and without Scully it would have bankrupt, but then again, without Jobs it started to stall as it ran out of innovation in the mid 90's

[@goenji602]

This is by far the best written film I've ever seen. Such crisp dialogue

[@lukea977]

You should watch most, if not all, of Aaron Sorkin written shows/movies then. You'll very likely enjoy them quite a bit.

[@andrewbaskett8581]

I cannot stress how much I love this movie. It does such a good job of capturing the good and the bad, creating completely fake moments that demonstrate who these people really were. Fassbender is maybe the best he has ever been, but damnit, Jeff Daniels is right there stealing every scene. He plays where he is at emotionally so perfect. I love this movie. I watch it ever 6 months.

[@Jon-ko1qg]

completely agree, i come back to this movie again and again

[@Nicole19989]

Fassbender's performance is on another level to Daniels.

[@Leoncroi]

And lets not forget Seth Rogan (granted he's not in this clip). Everyone did a fantastic job giving their A-Game, but this movie shows that Seth Rogan truly has acting chops and can really be a drama powerhouse with the right script and right direction.

[@danieldevito6380]

The Mac cost $2495 in 1984, the equivalent to $7,200 today. Today you can get a computer that's millions of times more powerful for under $500.

[@Robbstark2024]

A big reason for that is the diffusion of the technology into society. Once people realized the utility that the Mac and computers like it provided they started buying it which prompted more companies to enter the market and therefore in competing with one another they were able to reduce costs and increase computing power at an incredible rate, and that’s not even mentioning the fact that computers completely changed the way the world functions really unlike any product we have seen before. Very oversimplified but it goes to show what can be produced when the right incentives and resources are in place

[@rigger41]

@@Robbstark2024 Apple didn't change anything with the Mac. The iPod was such a huge success, they could then use all the extra capital to do whatever they wanted. PCs were mostly (and I think still are) mostly Windows based machines. Apple is an image and a brand and it drives much of their capitalization. I could be wrong though

[@michaeldavies4871]

Apple didn’t change anything with the Mac? How about hastening the transition from a character based operating system to an efficient and easier to use GUI for starters. It was far from a perfect PC, but it did influence significant change in personal computing.

[@michaeldavies4871]

@@rigger41as for the iPod, it was a middling failure when the first gen launched. It wasn’t until iTunes launched and created a legal and seamless way to obtain music, an ideal delivery system, that the iPod became a major success.

[@rigger41]

@@michaeldavies4871 Xerox designed the first GUI, Jobs stole it just like Microsoft. He went to market first and held almost no market share from then until basically now...Apple didn't give us the GUI. The Mac was trendy and chic and basically nowhere. You heard about them but nobody had them outside the few school districts that made exclusive deals to use them. But the people that do love Apple products LOVE them, and they crushed mobile devices. The Mac though, not a big deal to most people at the time...

[@joshuajackett6371]

In real terms Scully made Jobs. Any CEO would have done the same. If he didn’t have that setback it’s hard to believe he would have became what he later became.

[@Nicole19989]

Totally wrong. Scully effectively taught Jobs *nothing*

[@fabianarmilla8166]

@@Nicole19989not at all. It humbled him. It's how he rose from the ashes and became a tech icon.

[@Nicole19989]

@@fabianarmilla8166 again, absolutely *wrong* Please leave commenting on intelligent topics to smarter people.

[@fabianarmilla8166]

@@Nicole19989 you win! You are the smartest person on KZbin. 👋

[@ttrestle]

Love how Steve lies so much here

[@TheMaleRei]

Narcissists gonna narcissist.

[@ttrestle]

@@TheMaleRei exactly. Like Trump his entire life. I’ve also noticed that people who are the most enamored with narcissist sometimes take on similar traits. For example, a lot of Trump cultists compulsively lie. And they tend to believe in lies, hoax, conspiracy theories, etc. more.

[@lacyvalenti9523]

What does he lie about?

[@danieldevito6380]

"I believed I was right, I still believe I'm right, and I'M RIGHT"... That part gives me goosebumps.

[@jedsithor]

Jesus what a scene. The script, the acting, the editing....beautifully done.

[@andregordon2599]

What i like about this scene and the rest of the movie is how, in reality, it actually is a thorough character assasination of Jobs, but in a really well written way

[@dustinaddington74]

The best scene in the entire film and one of my favorite movie scenes of all-time.

[@roadwarrior144]

So, Steve was the dreamer and Scully was the pragmatist. Steve fought for what he believed in when it would’ve bankrupted Apple, and Scully fought to save the company even though it enraged Steve. Am I on track there or have I missed something?

[@PlasmaCoolantLeak]

If you can find a copy, read Sculley's book "Odyssey."

[@VuotoPneumaNN]

Jobs was more of a megalomaniac than a dreamer.

[@litjellyfish]

Spot on.

[@litjellyfish]

@@VuotoPneumaNNa mix I would say. He was a product guy. A product visionary that loved to sell his vision. At this point in time. The vision was good but the cost / profit skillset of him was bad. Also to his defense it was a lot of rnd work. His key problem was that he saw himself still and the core founded and expected to be able both get money to be able to continue to build his vision and also money to market his vision that at this stage was more like a beta than anything else. A production costly beta that he wanted to seek cheaper at loss. Which of course don’t make sense. But instead of being tactical to get some more slow burn funding he did not accept it and went behind the back of the board.

[@tc2241]

Steve was right about the vision, but all of his projects up until his return were bunk. Apple II was their Mona Lisa and it was the one project Steve had no involvement in. It’s responsible for giving us some of the greatest minds to grace modern programming, and to him it was like an illegitimate child from an unfaithful lover. When hardware finally caught up to jobs vision and he had more time around the circuit, he was better equipped to lead Apple. The problem is Steve had a lot of fans stroking his ego, so I don’t believe he ever came to terms with that and still held strong to the belief that Apples earlier failures were not his and that others ‘rational’ decisions were irrational

[@nakatash1977]

This is one of the best scenes in movie history.

[@radioguy1667]

This is probably the only movie where I didn’t feel uncomfortable while people argued. Doesn’t mean the other movies are bad movies. I just think it’s pretty cool I felt totally alright and was just invested with this one.

[@rjaymolina]

I know the movie's heavily fictionalized, but the price of the Mac at the time, adjusted for inflation today, is about the same as a base model M-series Mac Pro. Holy crap. Steve was right - too much for most people.

[@kirishima638]

He was right about the price, wrong about literally everything else. The mac was a toy. It didn’t have enough memory. It didn’t have color. It was completely incompatible with literally everything else. It was a closed system with no slots. It overheated because it didn’t have a fan. It was entirely dependent on a single slow and noisy 400kb floppy disk drive. And it was flop. The only reason the platform survived long enough for all these issues to be addressed (specifically in the Mac II, a project started in secret because Jobs was against it) was because Apple fumbled the Apple III so badly.

[@henrypeters5291]

The thing is that Steve want to bring the price down to $1,995 which would cost $6,000 in today's dollars. He also wanted to increase the marketing budget and add extra features for a product that had sold less than 10,000 units after claiming it would sell more than a million. Killing the Mac was the right call. Not to mention, as much as Jobs hated that the Apple II only sold to hobbyists, they were the core market. Sculley was right, the smarter move was updating the Apple II, they just went about it the wrong way.

[@kirishima638]

@@henrypeters5291 the Apple II didn’t just sell to hobbyists, it was big in the education market and was many people’s first computer. But it was an 8-bit computer and technical dead end. I don’t understand, from an engineering perspective, why they couldn’t have combined the two platforms, but using the more modern mac as the base: give it slots, color video out, Apple II compatibility (including a compatible 5 inch floppy drive). I know Apple would eventually produce Apple II cards for Mac LCs but by then the Apple II’s market had eroded. And I know the IIGS back-ported some of the Mac’s technologies, but it was the wrong direction. Ultimately Apple chose to keep the two platforms entirely separate and incomplete which was the biggest mistake.

[@john_drennon]

@@henrypeters5291 the smart move would have been not to put all of their eggs in one basket at the beginning. Understanding your current market audience and updating a current product while developing a new product in parallel is very possible and a company like Apple should have been able to do that. But they all bet on Jobs to not miss so when he did, they were in a really bad spot.

[@user-otzlixr]

Yes, selling the Mac at a loss was the way to go. Too bad they didn’t consult an economist with your skills.

[@cousineddie7444]

I love the rollercoaster of energy in this scene. An all time favorite.

[@john195223]

Artists lead and hacks ask for a show of hands might be the best line ever.

[@buenadiccion6882]

scully was right....

[@seancunningham3753]

Jeff Daniels & Michael Fassbender acting out Aaron Sorkins words with Danny Boyle directing it. This scene is high fucking level all around. Kudos to Jeff Daniels & Fassbender on their incredible acting

[@ThomasLWoolsey]

Is this the most Aaron Sorkin scene ever written?

[@shashanksai4477]

“Artists lead and Hacks ask for a show of hands”

[@Txmaverick413]

Artists are hacks. They're just too self absorbed to see it.

[@scythe13-13]

@@Txmaverick413 or maybe you're just a whiny little loner that will perish without making a single mark during your life

[@ricardoperea3794]

Artist create. Hacks cut corners

[@Seitanic_panic]

2:01 it had skinheads in it - she was liberating them! -liberating the skinheads? - THE AD DIDNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH FUCKING SKINHEADS! WE USED THEM AS FUCKING EXTRAS! NOBODY EVEN KNOWS THEY WERE SKINHEADS! This exchange always cracks me up

[@AlbusCasyphus]

Even if this is just an imaginative retelling of an event that may not even have happened, this is still great mothereffin cinema, scriptwriting, and acting.

[@Nicole19989]

If you want to see just how great it truly is, search "Steve Jobs vs. Jobs" 😆 Thank me later!

[@stevewolf6222]

And here we are, mostly likey most of us watching on an iPhone. They really did pave the way to the future. Woz 💛💛💛

[@fingolfin536]

"Don't send Woz to slap me around in the press. Anyone but Rain Man."

[@hanscombe72]

I was hugely into radio control cars in the 80’s. The company Tamiya was my favourite brand. I always hated the idea of using non Tamiya parts. I liked the consistency.

[@Kriptiko]

This is one of the most legendary on-screen arguments ever

[@mikac2002]

This movie did Ophenheimer 8 years before Ophenheimer

[@AK-pw3oq]

Ophenheimer has shit screenplay. Nolan is nowhere near Sorkin when it comes to screenplay

[@theengineer9910]

Nice comparison. Time skipping between two dialogues. Slick looking pictures. Love both movies but never realized the similarities. Oppenheimer in the theatre was amazing. That ending still stings.

[@vg77574]

Jobs was a manchild

[@callumblack1]

Whole lot more successful than you'll ever be

[@cassiusclayreels]

​@@callumblack1yeah and a whole lot deader too lol. Now we all gonna die that's no secret. However, I think it says a lot about the way we die and the way Steve went out knowing none of his money could stop the inevitable, hopefully allowed for clarity and reflection for the way he treated his colleagues when he didn't need to.

[@vg77574]

@@callumblack1 Dickriding a dead man is crazy 💀💀

[@Kazanko28]

@@callumblack1 lol That was rude, but you didn't disagree though =P

[@smiley4995]

@@callumblack1 He died from his ego

[@mstripling86]

i think we should all just take a moment to appreciate the brilliant acting in this scene from both jeff daniels and michael fassbander.

[@danieldevito6380]

One of the greatest scenes ever

[@tfsevo5773]

The reality is Jobs was wrong about his products before he returned to apple. The products were attempting to be “innovative” but jobs ignored plenty of design and function problems. He was obsessed with portrayal and it didn’t blossom till he returned to apple. Many people had the wrong idea including Woz (he wanted to give more control to users than making a social currency which is why apple is so popular today) but scully is a clear example why companies fail, they are more concerned with shares than innovation. I highly suggest the book this movie is based on!

[@Tompie913]

That MD-80 was never gonna make it to China anyway.

[@pbdye1607]

I'm guessing they couldn't find a lounge with a window overlooking a 747.

[@user-qm7bp4ul5t]

hahahahaha thought nobody had noticed that

[@allys744]

I love how they’re arguing about the now infamous 1984 commercial since no one knew what to make of it. That commercial later turned into a success, but the next year was a disaster: Lemmings wasn’t nearly as successful, no one knew what the makers were referring to and it almost insulted their audience. To some degree, the 1984 ad “showed” the new apple computer by having a woman dress up in bright colors like the Mac.

[@avilpennmysticaande]

Amazing scene from an amazing film! Michael, Jeff and the cast/crew knocked it out of the park!

[@fredrm6023]

Scully won the battle but Steve won the war.

[@OmegaSaiyan92]

1:48 every movie or show Jeff Daniels gives a list in this cadence, he did it in the Newsroom too in his opening monologue

[@litjellyfish]

Why people think he fired him. Well he DID. Not from Apple but from the MacProject. What should Steve had done. Just sit in his small wardrobe cash in his salary and be happy?

[@darrenwendroff3441]

This scene is so freaking complex, but is basically about the future of design, computers, music, art and business. Incredibly written scene, this should be studied.

[@bytesizedfeed]

He still defended Woz - Jobs knew how to protect the people he cared about. And also knew how when Woz was being manipulated, that’s a good leader right there. Looking after us autistic rain men.

[@brucecaudill1958]

This is by far my favorite scene in the whole entire movie. It is amazing and I always felt like after watching this movie it would make a great play to do on Broadway or something. It kind of feels like it it’s really good I love it.

[@subinsomasunder4891]

All the best came from Jobs was after he came back to apple. Once he came back, he was more smart, brave, polished, patient, had a vision which is practical. Everything has a second chance. Second chances are always about redemption and rising from your mistakes.

[@n_v9386]

8:20 Nice way to include Arthur Rock into the script. The investor who funded early semiconductor companies in Palo Alto that eventually grew into the Silicon Valley we know today. Early Investor in Apple as well.

[@secondrateking]

Jobs didn't invent shit "in a garage with Wozniak". Unless you count sitting there and watching him do all the work as inventing something.

[@litjellyfish]

Not true at all. Also what did Woz invent apart from the smart color signals approach? Setting up a circuit board with off the shelf components and not knowing how to do a real chip mask. Because that is basically what Woz did. Very little inventing. An electronic student. Good. Skilled. Putting off the shelf components together as a cool build my own computer project. What Steve did was to feedback, test, talk to people. Listen. Analyze market and read market data. And push Woz to finish it. And then network to try to find a way to commercially make it a product. Seems they both was rather fresh and inexperienced and together added what was needed to make a product. Steve refined was already was there. And invented some new product angles Woz did was already was there, refined some and invented some new tech.

[@ct6502c]

​@@litjellyfishSteve Jobs was nothing but an egomaniac marketing guy. He didn't do any real work.

[@litjellyfish]

@@ct6502c ah… you say so. Could you elaborate on what you mean with “real work” like what is real work and what is not and why is some work not “real” work 😃

[@secondrateking]

@@litjellyfish I hear what you're saying and keep in mind that Woz was trying to make something that few had ever attempted. So it was new. That being said, what you just described from Jobs is something a project manager would do. That's not working on the tech. That's encouraging someone else to do the work. And in the end, Jobs secretly pocketed the bonus that was supposed to be for both of them. He was overly ambitious and greedy. Always was. Sure, it made him an effective leader, but it doesn't mean he did the real work involved.

[@litjellyfish]

@@secondrateking for me there is no “real” / not realwork. Ok some is more fundamental than others sure. But it’s not just to esperare things. He wa not just project manager. He gave ideas feedback. And yes Woz did things few and attempted. But people before has done it. Not exactly but very similar. What he did that was totally new was his color output system. That was an invention of him that could have been patented (I assume it was) the rest of the computer building chip design he did was not really possible to patent (which usually is an indication that it’s not really new things) Also I spoke working “with” tech. Not “on” tech. And is tech then hardware or software etc. there is a line that is a bit fuzzy. I myself can’t code and I can’t design a hardware chip on the production layout level. But I understand them and I have taking part in designing both hardware and software. I have had titles technical director, technical art director and also project manager and producer. And from my pure personal journey and expertise when I read and heard about jobs participation he was for sure a lot more than a sales man and a project manager.

[@JoshyHendoMan]

Thank God for music because I have no idea what they’re saying

[@MegaKnight2012]

Artists lead the world. Even the Renaissance needed financial backing

[@tonytaox]

Steve Jobs was way ahead of everyone. He was misunderstood, when finally the “doing hardware and software together to ensure a better experience “ mantra was proven to be right, he was about to die, life is ironic, isn’t?

[@BobLovesKaren]

Ok, I’ll watch Steve Jobs again. And it’s amazing what a script and acting can do. Aston Kutcher looks EXACTLY like a young Jobs, but Fassbender IS Jobs.

[@localblackman427]

"Did you think the secret to your success was not assuming people knew what to do with a can of soda?"

[@subinsomasunder4891]

What a beautiful scene.. ❤️

[@kevinscottbailey8335]

Jeff Bridges is truly one of the greatest actors of our time.

[@monotech20.14]

"How we buy stereos". Yep. And that's not what you can do w/ a Mac.

[@Nutzkie2001]

...which is precisely why I'm typing this on a P.C.

[@0r0ch1]

Aaron Sorkin's dialogue did untold damage to the angloidsphere

[@natethegreat1999]

Elaborate

[@grieverlion]

I tihnk it was the other way around

[@Bethos1247-Arne]

I dialogue which never happened. Well written tough. Acted extremely well by Michael Fassbender and the incomparable Jeff Daniels.

[@brucecaudill1958]

The acting in this scene is by far the most compelling. I love Kate Winslet in this movie so much these two guys were by far my favorite because of this scene right here. They should’ve gotten Jeff Daniels and Oscar nomination.

[@joejohnson5051]

I think Steve Jobs was a genius at stacking the deck and putting the smart people in the right rooms together and I’ll always admire him for that. I see people making unfair comparisons of him to Elon Musk when that guy is only going to be remembered for creating chaos and discord. Apple doesn’t seem like they have their eye on the ball since his death which shows his importance

[@davidrea6310]

I like how, in his mind, even though Steve won this argument, he still found it necessary to try and justify his actions as protecting Waz. Scully knows it’s bs, but what can he say. They did con Waz into going out in public and slamming the only guy who actually believed in his talent.

[@AK-pw3oq]

Now this is what top class screenplay looks like not the shit that people liked in Oppenheimer

[@odarestephen]

Amazing score.

[@Spenceley]

All this so I could play Cannon Fodder.

[@jeffreyfarlow9862]

All of this so we can play candy crush with ads 😂

[@simonphoenix3789]

isn't that the ad that is considered to be the most successful ad in history?

[@JamieDarren]

Will McAvoy arguing with Magneto and I'm Here for it all.

[@kokomanation]

These guys cannot resolve an argument with a little bit of calmness if Apple was really run that way it would have been the ultimate failure

[@AreYouThereGodItsMePhil]

Steve Jobs was such a mouthpiece curr playing politics. He literally did nothing except sell products.

[@enokdnb7388]

The thing about tech is... Jobs was right. For instance, that watch Woz had? (Beautiful and poetic scene, BTW) That Steve was making fun, is essentially... The apple watch. Steve knew a good product when he saw it. Tech guys know how to make really cool things, but most of them have no idea how to make this tech easily usable by the mass. Easily understandable by the mass. Appealing to the mass. That's what jobs was good for. He knew how to make a really stupid looking watch... into something that TONS of people wear now. (Just an example of what I mean) He's the conductor. However, it's easier than ever to build your own PC.... Woz AND Jobs were BOTH right. Thats why we have RGB and something like easily putting a RAM stick in your new PC.

[@OmegaSaiyan92]

Wozniak - Function Over Form Jobs - Presentation over Practicality

[@DanLetts97]

Steve Jobs never spoke to or saw Scully again after 1984. So that gives you an idea of how fictional all this is.

[@ivanpb1983]

Best biopic ever made.

[@ChesterCipher-xe2yg]

WHEN WILL PEOPLE LEARN? Never make your company public! I've watched so many of the films and documentaries where everything goes to shit & the founder gets ousted all because "the board" wanted more control. They kick the visionary out and drive the company into the ground. Always Stay Private!

[@OmegaSaiyan92]

it's always because people want to get richer and expand their market

[@ChesterCipher-xe2yg]

@OmegaSaiyan92 Greed will always be their downfall

[@stefanocroce2577]

it's not binary

[@BredBillO]

This movie has an incredible script

[@zadyeDK]

the fucking power in this scene

[@notchNdrop2]

This is such an underrated movie. The whole thing is just solid dialog and acting.

[@Shutch512]

5:17 "I left my bags on the plane...my shit's still somewhere in Beijing." Love that line.

[@MarioGomez-zg7hb]

I think by then airplanes would not leave if the bag owner was not onboard. So his shit never left. 😂 I doubled checked, his shit is in china. The policy was implemented in 2003.

[@wojciechczupta]

what is the movie title?

[@AlanClouse]

steve jobs, the michael fassbender one

[@Bapuji42]

Star Wars

[@wojciechczupta]

@@Bapuji42 good one:)

[@wojciechczupta]

@@AlanClouse thanks.

[@Bapuji42]

@@wojciechczupta good what?

[@TheFireflyGuy]

Fictional or not - this movie is incredible and should have made more money.

[@abcd56698]

writing can be kinetic when it's aaron sorkin. can't believe fassbender still doesn't have an oscar

[@SuperMikeyBaxter]

Quality acting from both

[@Bapuji42]

as it turned out, he was right

[@jacobscott9732]

Nope

[@Bapuji42]

@@jacobscott9732 yep

[@Nicole19989]

Completely

[@Lubble-]

Don't understand why people like this film along with The Social Network, it's about a bunch of rich, out of touch snobs arguing and fighting about money and stocks.... Best thing they can all do is follow Jobs to where he is now

[@richard77231]

You don't have to agree or sympathize with the characters. I think both are good stories, fantastic dialogue, well acted, and as this scene shows, building tension with score.

[@andraw4002]

What a dumb take. You can still delete this, you know.

[@Lubble-]

@@andraw4002 no what's actually dumb is just saying something is dumb without any reason as to why??

[@andraw4002]

​@@Lubble-Why would I say that it's dumb without a reason? Of course I have a reason.

[@Lubble-]

@@andraw4002 not explaining that reason off the bat is why your comment is dumb...

[@michaelpate4774]

Don’t forget Kate Winslet as the Teflon coated Joanna Hoffman…holding her one on one with Fassbender’s Jobs

[@paulthird3942]

Its ironic that Steve made the company more of an image brand before he passed.

[@LyingTube]

I feel like it says something that we have not one but two different movies telling the story of Steve Jobs and unabashedly showing he was a complete ass. I'm not sure exactly what it says, but it sure says something.

[@litjellyfish]

I don’t think the movies show how as an ass. But as a stubborn, self centered young guy that has not learn to compromise or be tactical yet

[@Nicole19989]

​@@litjellyfishhe literally *never* learned to compromise! Man, you need to stop commenting so many misinformed stories.

[@atrac88]

I just…I just wish Fassbender looked like Steve Jobs. At least somewhat!

[@jliller]

Having read about Marconi & the radio and the Wright Brothers & flight, and considering what I know of Steve Jobs I see a trend. Visionaries usually come from the outside and can achieve what nobody else can achieve because they don't know what is "impossible." But after making that breakthrough, that same ignorance then often holds them back because they lack the knowledge and/or temperament necessary for efficient, effective refinement. Marconi struggled to refine the wireless, trying the wrong things to improve the signal. The Wrights got stuck on the dead end of wing-warping and became overly aggressive about their patent. Jobs was stubborn and impractical. Visionaries invent. Engineers implement. Executives lead. And for everything to run optimally it usually needs to be compartmentalized that way - maximizing the strengths and minimizing the weaknesses of all involved. Lack of vision, bad development, and bad leadership can all ruin a product and kill a company.

[@redmustangredmustang]

For almost 10 years the Apple 2 kept Apple afloat for years, but Steve's failure on the LISA and at the time failure of the Macintosh cost Apple big time. Steve had to go. When Steve came back in 1997 he learned from his failures. Apple was doing too many products so they simplified it plus made a deal with Bill Gates to come up with extra cash to run Microsoft on Apple for 5 years. Microsoft was feeling the heat of the anti trust lawsuit so Gates thought having Apple around would get the government off his back.

[@litjellyfish]

True. Still don’t forget that Steve did not go because of Mac or Lisa. He went because that after/ around what is dramatized here he disregarded order and in the end went behind the back of Scully and others. He basically got a third chance. Was not happy with that setup. Got removed but still could stay. Did not accept either. He basically got a 5 strikes and you are out deal that he failed due to pride and both working with what he was given

[@Nicole19989]

You really don't have a clue, do you? 🤦

[@JimmySteller]

Much as I like this scene, I can’t help but find it stupid how it begins (it’s cut off in this vid but I’m sure people have already seen it). How long was John Sculley waiting in that chair for Steve to show up? How many other people saw him before Steve? What did John say when they asked him what he was doing there? That’s the thing with Sorkin: he’s a great writer, but he sometimes gets high off his own rep.

[@Bethos1247-Arne]

Jeff Daniels uttering lines never spoken in actual history, looking not very much like John Sculley, yet conveying John Sculley. And he is able to stand up against Micheal fucking Fassbender. Who portrays Steve fucking Jobs.

[@Tapeleg247]

It's so weird seeing Fassbender with brown eyes.

[@Time_Traveling_Trucker]

Good acting

[@NoMoreBsPlease]

WOW! Fassbender looks so much like Jim Carrey!

[@colinforkner1873]

IM THE EVIDENCE

[@wexusdotcom]

Artis lead - They hate creators.... Burn down by so may hack's - I'm in the cave now......Served them all to the bone... - Hack's don't care but the dollar... - We care about creation... but now keep it a secret...