The Unprecious Gift of Irreverence

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[@Redmage913]

Anyone who has ever laughed *at* “Spock’s Brain” has realized on some low level that irreverence is a form of love. The TOS, TAS, and DS9 tribbles episodes remind us that it is okay and encouraged to not take things deadly seriously and to find the humor in events.

[@brentwalker9576]

“It lets me not get mad at the people who made it, or who like it more than I do…but I’m going to pretend to be mad at those people anyway, because it’s funny.” -Steve

[@SteveShives]

Exactly. You get it.

[@sael91]

This mode of thinking is a big reason why your content is interesting. There's no pressure on the audience to agree with your points of view as some kind of price of entry. You present your points, you explain your reasoning, and we all get to move the fuck on with our lives. It's refreshing.

[@lillywho]

I'm Irish and Scottish and both sides of the family see banter as a tradition and have actual colloquialisms for it, like "wee patter" on the Scottish side or "slaggin' yer off" on the Irish side. I think banter is one of the most essential "brain foods" to me, if you will.

[@kaitlyn__L]

One of my other favourite Scots terms is “ripping the pish (oot ya)” ;) although some places in the islands and highlands don’t like the practice so much!!

[@Bastian227]

I have matured over the years, but Young Me was very sensitive to people making fun of the things I loved. This was in the days of sci-fi not being mainstream. I remember tuning into TNG and feeling on-edge when someone else walked into the room. I was almost expecting them to laugh at it, or me. An innate aspect of fandom is the emotional attachment to a piece of media. Making fun of the media makes fun of the fan, in a lot of cases. My emotional and social maturity was under-developed at that age, so I could get hurt and defensive pretty fast. I think what helped was the consumption of other things not-Star-Trek. The more I could compare and contrast against, the more flaws in Star Trek I could see. But, I could also see its strengths in a new light.

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

That light you feel.. that's the loving protection you feel from The Emperor of Mankind from his holy throne on 40K Terra

[@Nerdcoresteve1]

This is why the best parodies are made by those who love what they're parodying.

[@ahouyearno]

And understand it.

[@oliverwisniewski]

Great video, Steve! I agree, we should all probably learn to not always take everything seriously all the time

[@krazzeeaj]

True fans can love something while joking about it's flaws. I'll never understand how everything became so unnecessarily serious, especially for things that weren't serious to begin with.

[@nikoteardrop4904]

It's not in any way a new occurrence. There's always been unnecessarily uptight fans.

[@LaktostheIntolerant]

As a Star Wars fan, I constantly remind the others that we might not have gotten Empire if 13 million people hadn't shown up for the Holiday Special, and it is integral to the overall meta.

[@KaiHenningsen]

@@Keithustus Can't tell you when it happened, but Grammarly seems to be able to do it. There's other stuff it gets wrong, so much so that I refuse to use the paid version, but it seems to get this one right.

[@jenniferwilliams9612]

One of my favorite Futurama jokes is the episode where they reveal that Star Trek has become a religion, with churches and everything! Not only is that episode hilarious, with cameos from the living original cast members, but the meta joke about the desperate clinging to the canon of StarTrek is brilliant in its own right! And, for what it’s worth, Futurama is one of my favorite shows too! It is an absolutely brilliant sci fi parody, that only true fans can make.

[@Jesselaj]

I'm glad to hear that you once took Batman too seriously. Me and most of my friends went through that exact same evolution, but people don't talk about it much. We tend not to give the benefit of the doubt to people who take things too unrigidly seriously, be recognizing that most of us went through that phase selves. Yes, it's an immature response, but that mostly means people haven't grown out of it yet.

[@jaycobb8564]

Once again, you deliver an insightful video. Thank you, sir.

[@brianstiles1701]

My friend Dan was this guy for me. We'd talk so much shit at each other and the things each other liked, but, there's one other buddy I loved as much. Dan and I had this front on social media that made people think we were arch enemies, but in person we could hang out forever and not get tired of each other's company.

[@michaelmitchell4989]

Steve, your co- hosted reviews of Star Trek Picard with your friend Jason are helping me to shake myself out of too-serious mode; keep it up.

[@TogusaRusso]

Oh, yes. Ang Lee's Hulk! Movie that wasn't afraid to look like comics, years before Scott Pilgrim and Speed Racer.

[@philwatkins2800]

Speed Racer is the best Wachowski movie and I will die on that hill. Or more accurately, continue to enjoy it without getting worked up over someone else's differing opinion or insult others for not liking it as much as I do.

[@Immudzen]

@@philwatkins2800 I find it hard to compare as better or worse than the matrix movies. However, I love to watch speed racer and I have done it many times because it is a fun movie. That is one of the movies I picked up on DVD and added to my collection so I can watch it whenever I want.

[@beldin2987]

The Fantastic Four movies (with Jessica Alba) also looked like comics, and i liked them. The only fact i really hated was in the end when Galactus was just a stupid cloud .. that was really bad. But else .. i still like them.

[@B.B.Digital_Forest]

One of the many things I love about Ang Lee's Hulk is the editing. It's far more creative than its contemporaries.

[@twig8523]

In regards to cutting banter among friends. For me it's more like: love, friendship, & only a mere ounce of malicious intent. 😅

[@francoislacombe9071]

A sense of humor is one of the defining features of true intelligence.

[@sloanekuria3249]

I personally know a number of blue jays with a better sense of humor than the many conservative people I also personally know. Apropos of nothing, I'm sure.

[@BleydTorvall]

Trek has made itself a joke numerous times, often intentionally! To pretend otherwise would be doing the shows a disservice. Being able to do that while also providing poignant dramatic pieces and thrilling adventures is a testament to how expansive the franchise and its universe can be.

[@marocat4749]

A parody is considered part of lore even. Th fact hat galaxy qust a parody is as reverd as it is, should tell a lot. Granted it was clearly made by fans, but still shows trekkies usually dont have a problm doing jokes on it if its in good faith.

[@andreaparham79]

I do think a lot of people taking these shows much more seriously tend to be struggling with mental illness/neurodivergence tho and we need to be mindful of that. I have adhd and often hyper focus on shows to an unhealthy degree, but it’s part of my functionality and hyper focusing isn’t something I can control so if I hyper focus on something that starts to upset me or something other people trash it’s impact affects me deeply. Same goes with people struggling with autism or other issues very similar. You make great points in this video, but it’s not exactly taking into account people who might be neurodivergent and struggle with doing just that. I’ve gotten better at this point through therapy and practice… not everyone has that luxury….

[@EmeralBookwise]

Obviously we should try to be courteous to other people's feelings and struggles, but that's not really what Steve is talking about here. He's talking about the people who vitriolically attack anyone with an opinion divergent to their own.

[@HeavyMetalMouse]

Additionally, some people just express their love for something by taking it seriously. Finding a healthy way to do this can take time.

[@kaitlyn__L]

While it’s true it’s easier to fall into those lines of thinking, it’s definitely not inevitable even without paying for expensive therapy! But maybe I’m lucky in that during my malleable-brain years, anime fandom had “abridged series” which made fun of them all but from a loving place. So ever since I came to Star Trek, I always kinda wished there was more of that irreverence! I’ve seen other commenters credit MST3K with providing them a similar mental framework to apply to other works and formats. (I’m autistic and have ADHD, and definitely the first time I experienced that “fandom seriousness” was with Thomas the Tank Engine lol) I do also agree with Emeral Bookwise that they’re not the main toxic complainers Steve is discussing, but I won’t rehash their comment since it already exists! So in as much as this video makes a personal plea to the viewers, it’s definitely not just something you can turn on and off at will, but with practice watching how your brain works, you can start to exert control to (subtly at first) nudge yourself away from certain emotional reactions which you dislike. Like “oh, I’m getting annoyed at a movie again, maybe I’ll finish this thought and then refocus on something else”

[@CaptainPikeachu]

While I do agree, I also think groups like the fandom menace types aren’t struggling with those things, they’re just grifting on hatred. So I do think there is a difference with someone’s hyperfixation (which I get too) and someone willing to attack and hate and tear at creatives with often bigoted comments.

[@citrinedragonfly]

MST3K has this stated blatantly in their theme song, and I think having heard and sung-along to it many times in middle school and high school, it's helped me with this: "If you're wondering how he eats and breathes and other science facts/Then repeat to yourself it's just a show, I should really just relax". It's one thing to, in the moment while watching, get swept up in the story itself and treat it as a form of 'reality' while suspending disbelief. But after the show's over, and you're back in reality, looking at things this way is helpful. It's also a form of knowing yourself and how you react. On a first viewing, I am completely absorbed in whatever I'm watching/reading/etc. The outside world ceases to exist, and I'm fully immersed in the story. It's only on subsequent watchings/readings that I can get a sense of perspective and distance myself from the media. That all being said, I'm also the one who, after having my students watch Spartacus (Kirk Douglas version), and they've seen the Big Scene everyone knows (and I've had my tear-up over Antoninus's final scenes), shows them the Pepsi commercial from about a decade ago, that takes the Big Scene everyone knows and turns it into the most hilarious soda commercial I've ever seen. Gotta be able to laugh at your favorites, and Spartacus is one of my very most favorite movies (second only to the Lost Skeleton of Cadavra and The Abominable Dr. Phibes, which tie for first).

[@johngingras]

That's why I love your Star Trek figure comics. So wonderfully irreverent! I know how much you like Riker (I feel much the same way), and it just makes me laugh the way you portray him in those comics.

[@steveng.clinard1766]

Whenever someone asks me about Hulk movies, I always warn them that they wouldn't like it when it's Ang Lee's

[@hellogoditsmesara3569]

True friendship is mercilessly bullying each other but out of love

[@PhineasPhule]

My take is that being able to poke fun at what you're a fan of is one of the most fun things about being a fan.

[@TrueYellowDart]

Loving a property has similarities to loving a person: you either accept the flaws and find a good balance or you decide the cost is too much and move on. Or you stick with a bad situation as it gets more and more toxic.

[@briancurtis6022]

And by the same token, there's no obligation to like every remake of a franchise or even refrain from calling out bad decisions. Criticism isn't intolerance, and calling all negativity toward a show "bigotry" is lazy and shallow.

[@tunafarrell2067]

When I was a kid, growing up, my favorite celebrities were the ones who didn't take themselves to seriously. The Beatles, Frank Zappa, Jim Henson, George Carlin.

[@fionavalkyrie]

I was raised to be in your camp about this topic. Over the years, however, I’ve come across some people who are scarred via bullying to the point of ptsd. It’s tough because I usually would be offended that my terms of endearment would be interpreted in such the opposite way it was intended. In the long run, through no fault of either party, it became a truly insurmountable incompatibility. I love your content, I just hope you don’t take some criticism of your criticism too seriously. It’s probably just one of those incompatibilities that’s not worth smoothing over, especially if you find it ever tone policing your own voice/content.

[@ShiftyGeeza]

Totally agree with you re Ang Lees "Hulk". Brilliant movie that I've watched more frequently than any other superhero movie and I'm pretty sure that you're the only person I've seen online who has appreciated it. I've never cared that nobody else seems to like it

[@AndrewLakeUK]

I get some people liking one Hulk over the other. Some people were saying, "Don't make it Ang Lee" they wouldn't like him when he was Ang Lee's. Dancing Spock is funny, it's an advert, so it's fine. If he'd done it just after Hemmer gorns it, I would probably complain a little. Taking the piss is a good old British tradition, we know how bad Blake's 7 or Dr Who's special effects were, and we all took the piss, but we loved them. It's what we do with our mates. Maturity is knowing when and where it's OK and when it's not.

[@sloanekuria3249]

The running Aquaman gag in Peacekeeper is gold, but having Momoa show up at the end and actually canonize the bit was actual genius level comedy, or as close as corporate content can get at least.

[@floriangunzer6244]

Yeah, true. I mean, I tend to be a stickler for the canon, too. I'm kind of a Fluff-Bunny, BUT jokes are fair game. I loosened up over the years aswell, so I agree. Very good video essay, as usual, Steve. Greetings from Europe.

[@MarcSGA]

I like the “canon worship is silly” take but I also like approach where there is an effort made to make the story fit into a larger continuity. That said, 100% on board with the “don’t take everything so seriously” message

[@seraphonica]

I'm so glad you hit on MST3K for this. you needed to get to either that or the Rocky Horror Picture Show.

[@blueguy12345]

There's nothing i love more than watching cinemasins roast a movie that i love. It's also cool to see them roast a movie that they love. You feel the apprecisation of the film and they can illustrate all that is wrong with it.

[@dinernotes]

That closing thought was the right idea at the right time for me. Also found it hysterical that KZbin is recommending I watch the Snyder Cut below the video.

[@allanjmcpherson]

I used to be that insufferable, and I can confirm it is exhausting. It's much more fun not taking yourself and the things you like too seriously!

[@euansmith3699]

Realising that I am "not the target audience" has made interacting with media a lot easier for me. I no longer feel the need to grind my teeth about Zach Snyder films.

[@Canuovea]

To quote one of Londo's wives: "Whatever it is, it can't be that bad." I disliked a fair few things done in The Rings of Power, and it certainly changes a number of things, but I overall quite enjoyed it. It wasn't the best TV show I watched last year (that was Arcane), but it received a lot more vitriol than it deserved, I think. But do I think the people who despised it are unsophisticated pea brains with maybe three braincells rubbing together? Okay, that depends on the specific criticism (keeping in mind the, for instance, Italian Fascist Party's love of Tolkien's work...), I suppose, but mostly no, of course not. This is really quite an interesting way people think, I suppose.

[@TonyGingrich]

Very well spoken! On every point. Across the spectrum, diversity has been impostered around as "divided". As something negative. As if our civility should be broken for it. Somehow, the value of diversity has become obscure. We should embrace our divisions. Those aren't bad things. Division is the foundation stone, upon which the best of civility and society was built: The United States of America. I'm glad that there are people who love eggs. So that I don't have to touch a single one :)

[@HeavyMetalMouse]

Straight up agree. Point of fun nuance. A lot of my formative years involved the so-called Angry Reviewer era of media criticism. The reviewers who would play a character who were so incensed, so personally affronted by the existence of bad media in their wheelhouse that they needed to destroy it with criticism (and sometimes literally). In maturing among that environment, I noticed that there were some examples that I found excellent and fun, who clearly *enjoyed* the process of roasting things, while I also noticed that there were some examples that came across as not having fun at all. One of the former, Linkara (who reviews bad comic books, even to this day), would mention in candid comments and such how people would ask him "Why don't you go read good comics, instead of complaining about bad ones?", to which he would invariably reply that he *does* read good comics, on his own time, and he loves them; that he loves comics, and that bringing out the bad ones to face the light of day is both cathartic for him, and hilarious for his audience in a similar way to the 'Deep Hurting' from MST3K was for viewers of that program; and that if we want to expect the companies that make media we like to make good things, we do need to call them out when they make bad things, and be able to articulate how they are bad. He also is on record saying that all media is worth critique, of the good and bad about it - nothing is too sacred to examine or too trashy to be worth the effort. A lot of the 'Angry Reviewers' that I actually enjoyed followed similar philosophies - they were essentially *mocking* the 'angry fan' who 'takes things too seriously' with their demeanor, while displaying their love of the art by diligently taking these things apart to thoroughly roast and riff on them. People would always come up in comments to tell them 'not to take it so seriously, it's just a movie/comic/show' - but I never got the impression that the point was generally that 'you should hate this', but, as you suggest here, a sort of boisterous irreverence. So yeah, on the one hand, it's important to take a step back and enjoy a cheeseburger from your sacred cows, to keep that sort of perspective and not let ourselves get to caught up in everything; but on the other hand there is also a benefit of elevating even 'bad' media to position of Serious Discussion; because if we can't take a good academic look at what makes things good and bad and why the decisions get made that make something bad... well, then we'll never really be able to expect much better, either.

[@TJRtheOriginal]

I remember feeling that same sense of anger and outrage over the Adam West Batman Series when I was a teenager. Now I own the entire series on blu ray. I guess this is why I feel so much disdain for a lot of the fandom you bring up in your video. Because I used to think like them.

[@righteousham]

A really good video, Steve.

[@BirthquakeRecords]

In regards to the Hulk films: With the exception of the obvious casting differences and some minor differences (mostly just aesthetic callbacks to the 1970s series) in the opening exposition dump of the film, I think “The Incredible Hulk” acts nearly flawlessly as a sequel to Ang Lee’s “Hulk.” It basically continues the story with very little contradiction at all. That’s one of the things I like about that film. It’s a hard reboot AND a soft sequel (which is a combination that basically never happens), and I think that’s neat.

[@BirthquakeRecords]

Unrelated to my point, but I just wanna say that Hulk looks wayyyyyyy better in the Ang Lee film (where he looks like a big green muscle boy) than in the Incredible Hulk (where he looks like a veiny colorless mess with sunken features).

[@mdmenzel]

I think this is why Screen Rants' Pitch Meeting works so well.

[@K3M15A]

It's like me with Dude Where's My Car, one of the funniest movies i ever watched, but i can see the shittiness.. that shittiness gives me more reason to laugh

[@Immudzen]

I love to make fun of star trek and I love the show. Most engineers I know got involved in engineering because of star trek. We even make jokes that some of the stuff we are working on sounds close to technobabble that would be found on star trek. if you can't make fun of something you love do you really love it?

[@MarcColten-us2pl]

Ang Lee and his Hulk movie were portrayed on Robot Chicken. He explains the metaphor of Banner and Hulk and says "Surely it will not be huge failure that will ruin my career. Surely."

[@robinburt5735]

I often catch myself ranting about canon or something in numerous different genres hehe. I try and avoid doing this but.. well you know...

[@CaptainPikeachu]

The dancing Spock gif gives me life ❤️

[@NoxUnboxed]

Oh god, they must have hated Galaxy Quest.

[@gracevilche6195]

"...people need to lighten up about 'Holy Scripture'..." 100% yes! Actually, one thing that I, as an atheist, and some of my irreverent Christian family and friends can do together is laugh at that text. I know plenty of devout believers who can still recognize and appreciate some of the absolute absurdity in that book.

[@robmckee5295]

I needed to hear that when the Star Wars sequel trilogy was rolling out. Great advice.

[@richh6001]

Thinking about the same thing lol

[@docmccrimmon4489]

Look up Aurelio Voltaire’s music. He does some great fan songs about Star Trek and Star Wars. Some are a bit… risqué. But they’re all fun. Sexy Data Tango especially shows how much he loves the fandom he wrote. The euphemisms he uses show how much he’s into the fandom. Oh, and Expendable (Star Trek Red Shirt vs a Star Wars Storm Trooper)

[@kaitlyn__L]

That ending note was quite buddhist I thought :) ie bad stuff is gonna happen no matter what, so cultivate nice things in the areas you can control. Don’t upset yourself needlessly or engage in pastimes which harm you. Consciously choosing how you react to things as well, a wider theme in the video.

[@vintagezebra5527]

As someone else mentioned below, there’s a lot you don’t know about the folks that you encounter online who are so precious about things or who are outraged about this or that. Are they suffering from some sort of mental illness or non-clinical emotional issue like lowercase D depression or extreme loneliness? Are they LITERALLY 12 year old boys like Steve referenced about himself? The social media ecosystem thrives on all kinds of outrage, not just political or culture war stuff. Many “creators” make an actual living off of riling people up. We shouldn’t be surprised that it seems to work on some folks.

[@sirbuckeye]

I'm sorry, did you say JIF? That's the most offensive thing in this whole video!

[@itsOasus]

As someone who subscribes to the John Green school of thought on the subject, I say both pronunciations interchangeably! :D

[@richardwithanarr]

instant unsubscribe, flag, tell youtube never to recommend the channel anymore, letters are being written right now to various 3 letter government agencies, and I'll probably be voting republican from now on. I used to have a twin who pronounced gif that way. used to.

[@wanderfulification]

I have a giant giraffe here who wants a word with you.

[@twig8523]

Oh? ... Huh. So much for authorial intent & respecting the creator's vision. 😆

[@thumper8684]

@@richardwithanarr No, no. I know you. You are the twin that said "jif". You could not stand your sibling, how he was so "perfect", so successful no matter how undeserved. Of course you say "gif" now, even though it bring bile to your throat to say it.

[@tukicat1399]

Unless its Changelings in Picard................................................................... :) I do wish we could get back to civil disagreements..

[@SteveShives]

No, even Changelings in Picard. Lots of people obviously think that's a good thing. At this point, I don't like it. But that's me. And as I say in our review of that episode, I'm open to the possibility that the story will justify that choice as it goes on. I don't necessarily expect it, but if it happens I will happily accept it.

[@tukicat1399]

@@SteveShives I must admit I dont mind crossovers, but this series seems to be a big.. this is the last so we have to get every STNG, Voyager, DS9 reference in..

[@CT-316]

I am a hardcore Star wars fan (legends, not Canon). I can go into detail about all the interwoven themes and nuances that Lucas sought to communicate, the lore and continuity (including problems within said continuity), listing specs of the E-11 blaster rifle, the history of the Old Republic, the deep tragedy of the clone wars and the emotional intensity of Luke's redemption of his father, etc. etc. etc. And I will still find "sand" to be the funniest meme and line of dialogue from anything. And it's funny BECAUSE I love everything else. I used to despise Jar Jar, until I saw an interview with Lucas where he discussed his reasoning behind the character. And while I ultimately disagree with his method, it lightened me up greatly with regards to the mythos as a whole.

[@MrLeafeater]

#bringbackthejohnsonverse I want my 70s TV Hulk back! Waaaaaa! Kenneth Johnson was the real visionary!

[@CaptainAndy]

I also used to be very defensive of my interests when I was younger and took criticisms of them like personal insults. I have grown out if this now, however I’m convinced that a lot of people haven’t, hence we get nonsense like Gamergate where criticism of a thing is interpreted as some sort of attempt to ban it and/or some sort of attempt to hurt those who like said thing.

[@DavidNash1948]

The core of the matter is "Trust".

[@TalLikesThat]

I really appreciate this video. As a big Buffy fan, as well as a Trekkie I wholeheartedly agree. Making fun of things that I love is incredibly fun and rewarding. But, YOU SAID GIF WRONG SO YOU ARE EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG IN THE WORLD. Also I don't know if I'm happy or disappointed you didn't make a "why so serious" joke at the end of your anecdote about seeing the silly side of Batman 😂

[@yensid4294]

I don't have the emotional/nostalgia connection to comic books that many Marvel & DC fans have since most of my "superhero" consumption came via cartoons in the 60s, 70, & 90s(& later the WB animated series) One thing I always loved was the shit talking certain characters did not only to their adversaries but to each other. Wolverine & Cyclops ~chefs kiss~ Spiderman was a smartass long before Dead Pool who I've grown to adore as a character via the films. I really enjoyed the newest Suicide Squad film with Peacemaker (haven't caught his series yet) So yeah, people need to lighten up. Some of my more favorite eps of Trek & other scifi shows were the lighter hearted ones.

[@skug9bob]

Now I want to see an episode in which you tell us (in exhaustive detail) all the ways in which Ang Lee's Hulk rules. 😊

[@bluecat42]

For the most part I've been able to embrace a similar irreverence. I enjoy the things I enjoy, and shrug off the ones I don't. I've been able to have a laugh at nostalgic properties I loved as a kid, and acknowledge the flaws in favorites while still being able to enjoy them. The few exceptions for me haven't even been centered on the media itself, but cynical jabs made directly at those who like it. One case in particular involved a YTer whose content I usually would appreciate watching calling fans of a particular movie I happened to like fools for liking it. Honestly, I have to say-that didn't sit well. However, I didn't leave a cynical comment or go on blast in the comments section of that video. I processed my disappointment over thee situation mentally, and then moved on. I have since not been able to watch any of their content moving forward, but I never made a big stink about my issue with their content.

[@jordansean18]

I whole-heartedly believe that Cinemasins is the modern MST3K. People get mad because they make fun of good movies but honestly I love them for that

[@cassiedevereaux-smith3890]

I'm glad you went to Snyder. That's where I went immediately. This is why I can't take Snyder's Superman. TOO self serious. It's NOT for me, and I don't like the toxicity found in some fans of it. But at the end of the day, it's simply not for me. I still have Superman '78 to lovingly watch.

[@mglenadel]

"Get a life, will you, people? I… I… I mean… For crying out loud… It's just a TV show!"

[@samwill7259]

As someone born with a twin brother, let me give you some advice It means being born as 2 kids with 1 personal space you have to share So yes, I take some solace in being able to call him a @#$%$#@ @##$#@#@ and a whole big bag of @#&&% and then everybody laughs! It's good for the soul!

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

Heck yeah. Honestly I think Star Trek the Original Series is totally hilarious most of the time. Mostly due to the budget sets but at the same time I can marvel at what they did on a budget (while laughing at them trying to convince me a dog in a costume is an ‘alien’). One reason I like your videos is when you don’t like something it’s usually from a point if valid criticism. And you find a funny way to deliver it most of the time. I will say sometimes the line between general real annoyance and poking fun for fun sometimes confuses me with you. Especially since we aren’t friends riffing on a couch and because I have a hard time with social cues in real life. 😂 I like a gray adherence to canon, but I am not precious about it. While I don’t agree on your almost anti-canon approach SOMETIMES. What I like about you tho is that you don’t attack creators for trying to do new things or take franchises in new directions. Kurtzman isn’t the demon of creation for having some imperfect Star Trek projects and none of them are nearly as bad as Kurtzman haters make them out to be. And I don’t care what anyone says, Kurtzman era has also added a great resurgence to Trek I appreciate.

[@marocat4749]

I love the funny bizarrness TNG takes especially in later seasons. An because its episodic, it doesnt ruin th legid good drama ones, that have fun, but also are good drama.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@marocat4749 like the holodeck becoming sentient and replicating a glowing orb thing, plus nonsense about cowboys and gangsters on a train!

[@marocat4749]

@@kaitlyn__L Yes XD

[@spacedinosaur8733]

One of my favorite movies is Battle Beyond the Stars. It's the bestest ever!

[@B.B.Digital_Forest]

Yeah! We should see the Justice League slap each other's butts after a successful mission. It's locker room comraderie.

[@harrybehemoth2751]

Some people do argue that the 2008 Hulk is a sequel to the 2003 Hulk. They're wrong, though.

[@SteveShives]

I think it's a bit of a Superman Returns situation, although to a lesser extent. Some of Incredible Hulk is definitely incompatible with Ang Lee's Hulk (how Banner gets exposed to gamma radiation, for example), but it also picks up roughly where Lee's Hulk leaves off, with Banner in South America. So, there's at least the impression of it being a sequel, even if it's actually much more of a reboot.

[@LeftyConspirator]

I'm sorry, did you just say... *jiff*? Cancelled!

[@nikoteardrop4904]

Don't forget the other star of Hulk-- Ang Lee's face 😎

[@castironchaos]

So how *did* Joel and Mike eat and breathe up there on that satellite, anyway?

[@urbantechbrourban9630]

Sounds like all the shit id say...im diggin these little reality checks your doin here Keep em comming The Chads and Karens love this shit....lol

[@jdonvance]

THIS! I don't know the best descriptor is for people with zero chill, no sense of humor and no capacity for irreverence, especially about themselves or the things they love and invariably hang their existences upon. "You can't make fun of that!" they shout. "Why not?" I calmly reply. "Because it's SACRED!" they wail. "Says who?" I query. "Says me!" they insist. "And who," I question, leaning in closer, "...are you?" I mean, honestly, if you can't laugh about a thing, you aren't examining it closely enough. And if you never question your surroundings, you can have no say in how events play out.

[@Saiyanprince1114]

The incensed reaction to Aquaman and Flash at the end of Peacemaker is hilariously sad. The angry Snyderbots don't understand friendly banter because they don't have friends 😂

[@DietrichvonSachsen]

I love you to bits Steve, but all my teeth went on edge when you called a GIF a JIF. It's a hard G - I don't care what the creator of the format says, he is *wrong*. And this is totally the hill I will die on. :p

[@linkeragon7885]

it is painfully ironic that i got an ad for "ZACK SNYDER’S JUSTICE LEAGUE," on this video actually no its just painful

[@Chiscringle]

It's about investment and return. A change to what we know about a story or a franchise is an investment because now everyone watching and everyone writing it change their perspective. That investment from the writer also requires an investment from the viewer, and if the return isn't worth it, then both the viewer and future writers feel disrespected. It's not something to get too upset about, but it's like how Elon moved all the buttons around on Twitter. It makes people who work on Twitter have to do more cognitive work to deal with working on a new UI and it makes users have to do work to get used to it. If the changes don't work for the users and/or it doesn't help anyone working on the system, then it wasn't worth the investment of their time and the users' time. It's not something worth getting more than mildly annoyed about, but it's still a minor bit of disrespect that says, "I like it this way so everyone else has to deal with that."

[@CraigPMiller]

Ahhhh …. Sanity. Its so rare 😃🙃😎👍

[@GamesNTech]

You said Jiff, un subbed!!!! :)

[@Onodera1980]

Toxic Reactionary Discourse is how you make money on social media.

[@guywithdacap4713]

Hey Steve, where Do you draw the line between friendly tough love and toxic narcicistic behaviour. I encountered both and the path is really small and dangerous.

[@ddamaged]

Oh, these humorless people need to be introduced to Mad Magazine. As an Old School fan of various pop cultural media, e.g., Star Trek, Star Wars, Batman, etc., Mad Magazine always had a humorous way of keeping everything in perspective.

[@nikoteardrop4904]

"Utmost gravitas at all times... sounds exhausting" It is, and it's why ZS JLA is almost four hours long. So... much... slooooooooooow mooooooooootiiiiiiiiioooooooonnnnnnnn....... Ugh. Seriously, fuck that "movie".

[@christopherwilson3754]

Healthy attitude Lt. Jg. Johnson. Wished more people had one.

[@SteveShives]

You can just say "lieutenant."

[@ScottishBelly1986]

In Scotland it is the norm. Its called banter.

[@tideoftime]

I agree with you about the general content of the video ... but have to thumbs down your use of "Jif"... ;)

[@lurchiomorientes]

I wish everyone would feel this way, I LOVE alien 3, and the amount of shit I've got over he years for that is ridiculous, I even had one lad offer to watch with me so he could explain HAHA why its a bad movie

[@jaredofmo]

I remember when there was a Lord of the Rings inspired couch gag on The Simpsons and when a certain fan site reported on it, I saw a comment taking offense that the show parodied a major work of fantasy. I don't tend to see parody as an insult, though.

[@gracevilche6195]

This pretty much encapsulates the mentality of most Twilight fans! 😂😂😂

[@TechGroupF430i]

11:35 - Was that a dig at Angry Joe, because that dude was furious over "Star Trek: Picard". In one of his reviews, he not only questioned the intelligence of anyone who liked it, he went as far as to outright insult them for it, even going as far as to blame them (the audience mind you) for the direction it went in.

[@spinchsprimkle6541]

I guess there are advantages to having a pre-ruined childhood

[@supercrownjosie7732]

this was a hard lesson for me to learn regarding my favorite show, Dragon Ball. not that I was made when people didn't like it - that was fine. but when stewards of the series made something "bad" and, god forbid, people liked it. infuriating! it made me miserable. am I the only person paying attention to what was good about this thing to begin with??? then I took some time away, didn't engage, and pursued interests that had fallen by the wayside. let my little autistic brain play with some new toys for awhile. and when another Dragon Ball movie was trotted out, I went and saw it. I didn't like it, but I did my duty to the series that had meant so much to me. and what stuck with me were the kids coming out, excited about what they'd just seen. that let me, finally, let that stuff go. maybe those kids will discover the version I liked and enjoy it for the same reasons, maybe they won't. but it's theirs now. my show run from 1986 to 1997, and I can watch it whenever I want. (Because I'm a grown up, now. Mostly.)

[@neesi1570]

I say this as someone who learned to love literature by reading comic books as a kid: superheroes are inherently stupid. Dressing up in a costume and defeating criminals with kicks and backflips is stupid. Getting powers from radiation instead of dying horribly is stupid. Being inspired to avenge your parents' deaths by a bat flying through your window is stupid, and you know what? That's fine. As long as you realize this and place it in some context, there's nothing wrong with enjoying that stuff into adulthood. It's nice to find someone else who thinks that Ang Lee's Hulk is massively underrated (remember when Marvel was eager to experiment instead of having to sell the next five movies in the MCU?), and another one I'll stand up for is Wonder Woman 1984. Sure, its execution left something to be desired, but it really felt like a Silver Age comic come to life and I liked how gleefully it disregarded "continuity" and fanboy angst to embrace the inherent ridiculousness of a heroine in a red bustier who uses a magic lasso. These characters were created for children with the expectation they'd outgrow them in a few years and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that, guys...

[@colinsmith3945]

Fellow Ang Lee Hulk fan! I agree 💯%. I enjoy Picard though.

[@SomeOne-cc6fy]

I wonder what Steve thinks of the Spock vs Spock Audi commercial.