Stick Fighting Isn't Real | How To Use FMA ft.

Stick Fighting and Filipino Martial Arts are extremely popular methods of training - but are they really useful for self defense and fighting? Short answer, no. But for the long answer, I brought in @metrolinamartialarts to explain and hopefully shed some light on the subject.
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[@scottocha1892]

The stick is an alternative tool to the blade. FMA are all bladed arts and when the Spanish controlled the Central/Northern Philippine Islands in the 15th Century, the Filipinos were forbidden to carry bladed weapons and therefore used sticks instead. So when training, u treat the stick as if it were a bladed weapon. Many many different systems since the turn of the 20th Century but granted, when you have a stick, u bash and when u have a blade, u cut. The movement still stays the same

[@dreamrestore213]

You can't educate the 'Determined to be Stupid' ....

[@scottocha1892]

@DREAMRestore people have to be open-minded to be educated

[@richardunica3542]

Watching this two guys make filipino guru laugh. This two guy cant beat a kid that bobby taboada spar.

[@rileysilosmusic]

@@dreamrestore213 so true

[@spicketspaghet7773]

Looking at videos from "masters" in kali. If this is supposed to be a blade art, it is a pathetic and useless one.

[@mattkelly9846]

This is like listening to bandage applicators discuss major complex life saving surgery

[@Fluffy-777]

😂

[@tarantulazer]

💀💀💀

[@ives3572]

Just because it doesn't work well for you means it doesn't actually work well or is unrealistic. As an FMA practitioner who also does some MMA but primarily a self-defense practitioner, I have firsthand experience that FMA which is particularly designed for self-defense, indeed does work well for self-defense scenarios

[@zeros-gy7bl]

he lacks a true warriors mind... his ego will fall soon and he will be humbled...

[@flyingalien2yearsago442]

well your right it's not really useful in real self-defence but it's teach you to kill, unlike other martial arts that really teach you self-defence. Kali is really blade art. I train Kali in traditional and painful since childhood by my grandpa and I'm sure i have very powerful strike and I'm sure with baston I can break bone or kill. But fighting a well trained master in barehands like boxing, Jujitsu etc, with only Kali big no, that why I'm learning some Brazilian Jujitsu and boxing

[@vaitgabalhag]

@@zeros-gy7bl Agree

[@paulaljadealcantara8719]

@@flyingalien2yearsago442 true i agree with you its arnis or kali is not really meant for self defense scenarios but is meant to kill this art was even used in the old times of the philippines in which there are datus sultanate or maharlika i think theres diffirence in modern arnis and the old anceint kali is the style because kali stick is meant to be a practical weapon kali is actually meant to be a bolo or a sword

[@iandominiclagman7546]

As much as I love talking about the philosophy in fighting styles, the misinformation in this video is appalling. While I myself am very inexperienced with fma, a lot of the opinions expressed on this video run counter with some of what the few masters I've met have taught me about the art. First off, arnis/kali is considered a 'complete' martial art. Confining it to simply grappling or striking is bad enough, but completely negating the feasibility of a stick based martial art takes the cake. The art isn't meant for tournaments, it's designed to arm you for EVERY type of engagement, barring firearms. If a master can't apply their stick techniques to their fists then they can't be called a master. Look at arnis like you would Kung fu except our masters have studied under multiple martial arts. It's rare to find a teacher without experience in multiple martial arts. New styles evolve in arnis because those different arts and approaches get integrated to the particular style's form. To conclude, the attention you brought to arnis/kali is appreciated, but really if you wish to know more I implore you to seek out a guro of any system. Good luck on your journey.

[@michalwright6979]

Yeah I felt the take was disrespectful & minimizing as well too

[@ziggymarley4961]

They are both imbeciles. He's a nobody trying to get views for his vlogs.

[@spartanwarrior1]

Most guros nowadays know nothing about the art they allegedly practice

[@iandominiclagman7546]

@@spartanwarrior1 Not the Filipino ones surely. I don't know about the teachers in other countries, but any guro from the islands who doesn't know what they're doing would be heavily shamed.

[@rodrigorodriguez509]

You small-minded stooge

[@garybaugh5433]

learning with a beginner is never advisable

[@OperationEndGame]

I dunno… you can ask Romeo Tortal, Jared Wihongi, Bobby Tabaoda if stick fighting is ineffective…

[@glenndeogracias8652]

haha nice!😆

[@wilsontexas]

You mispelled Grand Tuhon Gaje.

[@Hinterfrage]

No need to mention old grandmasters ... referencing others always seems weak. If anyone doubts FMA have a friendly round of sparring with them ...

[@808frontline]

Btw it’s not so much about the stick but the ability to utilize random hand held objects in a similar fashion. The Escrima sticks are more like weights then they are an exact representation of the “tool” the you’ll utilize on the go..

[@randomtvninja]

I think the biggest issue is people don't understand that the stick is solely a replacement for machetes.. it's not intended to be used as the actual weapon.

[@Funky1ism]

Correct, thats why this video is just bullshit. They replaced machete’s with sticks for training purposes. Also in a real scenario, you would not hit the stick, you would immediately step out and target/hit/cut the hand. What is being shown in the video is the “training” aspect, but the combat aspect hits differently. Also there is no footwork in this video which is really important. Also the stick movements translate into the empty hand movements, and then you get more into the real life/street scenario’s.

[@hopelesslydull7588]

@@Funky1ism But...he literally said all of those things except the part about machetes. He said those drills wouldn't be used in actual stick fighting, but they were probably used to teach something else. He mentioned the point about keeping distance and how those techniques seem to be teaching grappling or unarmed striking. Movement doesn't matter for their point because if you move with the flow drill to hit your opponent's machete with your machete, you're still hitting blade edge against blade edge. It's not a practical technique because it probably wasn't designed to be one. Did you watch the video?

[@Funky1ism]

@@hopelesslydull7588 but the Filipino’s used to fight in death matches with sticks..so stick fighting is very real. And in my training, we still always assume the sticks are machete’s.

[@hopelesslydull7588]

@@Funky1ism First minute of the video again. He's not saying that stick fighting as a concept doesn't exist. He's saying FMA's flowy striking and disarming techniques aren't real stick fighting. Which is okay. Kata isn't real unarmed fighting. Boxing combinations aren't real boxing. They were trying to pick apart why these drills are taught assuming the original creators knew what they were doing. One time he made fun of the style at the end of the video and it was meant to not be taken seriously. Other than that he was giving respect to the art.

[@WyldKard]

The biggest issue is that this claim is rarely put into practice by eskrima/kali groups. Most don’t use steel trainers, when that’s logically what they should be using if they’re serious about teaching a machete-based art.

[@NOMADKACF]

I get it. It’s supposed to be thought provoking. But I find it more disingenuous. Of course depends on the level of knowledge, understanding and the skill sets one is proficiency in. There’s so much (more) that the weapon arts, like FMA has to offer, in (further) developing the skills one has. But this kind of “criticism” could be done better. There’s much more that what you have shown, has to offer. But it was decided to downplay them. Yes. It’s fun, engaging, and even helps with cognitive development and improvement. But you’re missing a lot of potential applications. I’m not just self defense but also in fighting.

[@latragokali]

I come from Kali as a blade art that has been interpreted into stick. Can Kali (blade art) be used for self defense? I say yes :)

[@badfoody]

Any soldier that has survived because of hand to hand combat is alive because of Kali

[@raymundbalce4550]

@@badfoody fax

[@arnowisp6244]

@@badfoody Makes it cringy seeing all these "martial artist" telling you that it doesn't work when it's literally being trained to military forces. I'm guessing men who are trained to game end you got it wrong?

[@SoldierAndrew]

Correction: Dan Inosanto actively trains numerous combative arts, including Jiujitsu, Judo, Wrestling, Boxing, Muay Thai, Jeetkundo, Wing Tsun and Filipino Martial Arts. He has arthritis in his hands from years of striking things with his hands and grip fighting judo & jiujitsu gi.

[@amante2443]

Could he have arthritis because he's 86 and might be genetically predisposed? Does he have general run of the mill arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, osteoarthritis, etc.? To diagnose his condition (and not clinically clearly) while also specifying the specifics that caused it, surely should be something to be fact checked first right?

[@brucehuddler7518]

Also Dan blends Aikido in his work, It’s stranger to hear someone from BJJ trash “hobby” Aikido then the next video is BJJ people training Aikido wrist locks for takedowns 🤔. JS

[@Shiresgammai]

@@amante2443 No, I doubt that genetics has anything to do with this. One of my Eskrima teachers has similar issues, his constant sparring with sticks and wearing little to no hand protection has damaged and injured his fingers. He suffers now from gout and arthritis, both of which was most likely either caused or negatively influenced by his life-long practice of martial arts.

[@narbabao7826]

Where’s the sparring? Wasted my time

[@lindamaemullins-wr1jg]

😂❤😂😂 like get to it already 😂

[@globoyflemming9315]

Been watching stick fighting videos all day, commenting to exchange opinions. Trained boxing, MMA, Muay Thai collectively for 20+ years since I was a young kid. Never tried stick fighting but after watching so many videos I definitely see it's utility. Honestly not bad to know if you live by where I live. Not everyone's carrying a gun but you'll get jumped, I'd imagine a wooden stick fucking hurts, you don't break your hands in a fist fight and against some untrained guys that can't grab the stick you probably have a better chance getting away from 3 dudes jumping you if you carry around a stick and are nice with it. This shits probably great for wrist flexibility and hand-eye coordination. I've spent my whole life shitting on Wing Chun and stuff like this but I guess everything has utility. I'm bouta get a stick snd try it out, I think this is worth Learning even for MMA fighrers

[@globoyflemming9315]

I also feel like if you understand footwork in boxing/MMA, Takedown defense and are generally athletic, being able to fight with a stick becomes really useful. Understanding countering, being able to move, then put a stick in your lead hand like a jab you'll probably Crack some noses if a dudes charging at you and you side step and smack em in the face

[@antondelacruz9362]

Wooden sticks are a traditional european self defense weapon. Short heavy sticks are a traditional police weapon. Maces and clubs are top heavy sticks for war. Light sticks can crack skulls, tear retinas, and pop testicles, all faster and with less telegraphing than a punch or a kick. Of course theyre useful for fighting.

[@badfoody]

This guy goes out to trash stick fighting and he lives in a world where cops actively use nigt sticks lmao

[@amante2443]

You've changed my mind about Filipino stick fighting. I've previously never thought of it as having any utility at all. I know many people in the Filipino military (i.e the people who fight for the country were the stick fighting is from) and for basic combat they normally trained in stuff like Judo, boxing, Tae Kwon Do (but kicking to knock you out), Muay Thai (especially for the clinch as mentioned in the video), etc. I think they've military started incorporating BJJ & MMA into the military training too. I know that many combat units do learn stick fighting, but they don't use sticks, they use machetes (i.e they might practice with sticks, but use machetes in real combat). Hence, I've always thought in a normal civilian world, Filipino stick fighting has no utility. But as you've said (and this video too), if you've got a background in other fighting arts (which I believe Inosanto has) and have a stick or something stick like, and want to keep someone at a distance, or you don't want to break your fists, start rolling around on the ground, or if the other dude is just plain disgusting to touch, this is actually a way to go. And especially great when you're getting old too. Thank you for well reasoned comments (unlike others here) that compliment this video well.

[@DHRGrafix]

Go to a Dog Brothers open gathering, sign the waiver and ask an experienced fighter to a match. Then tell me whether or not you think stick fighting is for real.

[@cjbadia-on9348]

Nice one. I second the motion.

[@dillonprice6044]

Dog Brothers is as real as it gets.

[@collinroehner608]

I think this video would have been more meaningful with an instructor that had a greater grasp of the various FMA and how they were influenced from the culture in which they were born. To say the art is ineffective once the attacker starts "swinging away" is making the assumption that the defender is merely holding their position and not using the endless foot work, use of environment, and understanding of rhythm/timing that comes from training seriously within these systems. I get what you're trying to say, but the perspective lacks wisdom (and I mean no offense) because you're a martial artist trying to figure it out, but you need to keep pursuing higher degrees of instruction (maybe check out Ray Dionaldo or Doug Marcaida to start) because it can only improve your degree of understanding, not hinder it.

[@hopelesslydull7588]

Foot work, use of environment and understanding of rhythm and timing is something you could learn from 90% of martial arts, even the bad ones. If I taught you techniques for fighting unarmed that expected you to intercept every single incredibly fast strike I send you, and then once you're good enough I teach you to move out of the way, that's either a bad instructor or a bad style. Techniques can be designed for use in training that aren't effective in actual combat because they're teaching something else besides the technique. They aren't saying FMA as a whole is ineffective in real combat, they're saying these techniques that seem to be strong teaching points for the art wouldn't work in real combat and they're giving the benefit of the doubt that they were developed to teach something else.

[@norbe6534]

@@hopelesslydull7588 Footwork is the hardest part imho. Here to give you an idea of the real fma footwork kzbin.info/www/bejne/fX_bmYODqtitr80

[@collinroehner608]

@@hopelesslydull7588 Fair point regarding foot work, use of environment, and understanding of rhythm and timing, I absolutely agree. FMA training often involves layering their material (Dumog and Panantukan are added typically once the student can demonstrate the basics) much like the traditional kata of both the Japanese and Okinawan systems which you only discover through training relentlessly (one of my favorite things as a matter of fact). And if I am misunderstanding your initial response please let me know, but the teaching points in an art that was initially developed for the jungle should be analyzed on that level which was not done in this video; and the guest instructor is unfortunately not demonstrating enough knowledge either (not stating he does not possess such knowledge, but he did not make a strong case for the art which he teaches). Again, I do not disagree with your analogy regarding intercepting fast strikes vs simply moving out of the way but the host was looking to be correct, which you can make the argument he was just joking or whatnot but that open-mindedness was not present in my opinion. What further thoughts do you have?

[@hopelesslydull7588]

@@collinroehner608 Rob's sense of humor is sarcastic like that, where he says things like, "I think I'm the best Kali fighter in the world now" after one class. He also said that obviously stick fighting is a real thing at the start of the video, but a lot of commenters didn't catch that. That's a regular issue in unscripted videos like this, it's super easy in the moment to think since you said something earlier on or in passing that the audience will get what you're trying to say. Throughout the video they were interpreting some movements and techniques as teaching tools for something else like striking or grappling because those specific movements as taught would be bad as techniques in real combat with sticks/machetes. That assumes a kind of respect for the art that it isn't teaching a useless drill, it was designed for something more and they tried to interpret what that is. I can't speak too much to either of their knowledge of FMA and I'll accept they might not know enough to debate from a place of authority on the subject, but from a mixed martial arts perspective, at least Metrolina Martial Arts seemed to have a good amount of understanding to at least instruct the basics, which should be enough in an informal setting to try and pull more knowledge out through experimentation. Whether that is respectful or not is really up the person.

[@hopelesslydull7588]

@@collinroehner608 Rob also replied to lastnameavailable326 explaining a little more.

[@FlyingVFan]

From my limited training in the FMAs, there are a few things missing from the philosophical discussion here. Thanks for the content by the way, my brain is on fire now! Hahaha! 1.) Drills are drills. All these angles and drills associated with them are meant to get you accustomed to seeing these angles of attack and to get you to learn how to deal with them. Yes, we train slowly and methodically just like any drilling technique in BJJ/Muay Thai. Now application is different, because fights are fights and you will not leave unscathed if you engage anyone with a weapon. So yes, it is significantly more difficult to apply these in real time. When someone charges you with a machete or stick/pipe/tire-iron, you have at least some training that may allow you to survive the fight and go home, if the opportunity presents itself. Being familiar with long/medium/close range FMA techniques can help you get cut/smacked one less time than necessary or help you minimalize the cuts/smacking by blocking with the back of the arm rather than the front. Knowing where your vital arteries and nerves are can help you not die before you get to the hospital. 2.) FMA can be translated into many forms: sticks, machetes, knives, guns, punches, etc. You can still use the Hubud drill to parry punches and trap the arm to return strikes in the most caveman-like fashion. It works, and you can take the "fancy" drilling out of it to make it simple and effective. Add in a some striking, grappling, some explosive energy with the element of surprise and you are good to go. If your pistol is out of ammo and the holes you just shot into them don't stop them immediately as they are running toward you, don't toss the weapon down and punch... use that chunk of metal to beat them down (Angles 1-4 to the head and arms). If you are defending your home with a rifle and the invader cuts the corner and jams your rifle away from you, you can imagine that your rifle is just a stick at this point; chokes, throws, and weapon maneuverability/retention are an option now because after all that training, you should be able to apply something that you've learned. Even if it is just for a few short seconds, even if it is ugly as hell, or even if it makes them back up... you can engage with your firearm or continue beating them. 3.) The practicality of stick is that they are much faster than a punch. Most boxers/strikers I train with are forced to deal with sticks at some point in training because of this. The tip of the stick can move over 100mph. If you know the angle, then you can potentially avoid it by the hair of your chinny-chin-chin and potentially escape or deal with them. If you can deal with a stick, you can deal with a punch, as punches are much slower. If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball LOL. 4.) Remember the history of the FMAs, because Magellan can no longer. The reality of muggings, provoked/random maliciousness, and home invasions are dire in consequence. People die or get hospitalized of machete and knife attacks far too often, and a lot of people have pocket knives on them around the globe. The MMA approach to fighting is honorable, worthwhile to train, and highly effective given certain scenarios. Shit, even grappling focuses on beltline/hip control (AKA: where the weapons are hidden). Although, someone who wants your stuff, or your lady, is not going to challenge you to fisticuffs and play by the rules. They will have a weapon and they will do whatever it takes to win. You must deal with this in some way, if that be running or engaging. You probably don't want to leave your lady behind if you run. So learn how to confront a weapon because one day (hopefully not) you may have to deal with that. 5.) FMA/JKD teaches you to end the fight as quickly as possible. Most of this is not applicable in an Octagon for safety purposes. Eye jabs, groin kicks, hand hunting, ear slaps, and much more. These notions are effective. FMA/JKD is much less a formal martial art, rather, it is the fastest way to end a real fight and potentially kill your opponent. The concept that is missing here is in this regard is that stick striking is not meant to smack sticks back and forth, it is to hand hunt and meet/follow their force at Largo Mano distance. It is to weave/unweave, trap, and block at Medio Mano distance. It is to retain and utilize your weapons Puno at Corto Mano distance, even if that is just enough to break away and create distance. You attack the hand or forearm to defang the snake, effectively removing the weapon from their hands. You shouldn't let them touch it again, while engaging them. In the Hubud drill, instead of just passing the arm after parrying the punch/strike, you can eye swipe as you pass... this momentary delay in their sight leaves all the options in the world open for you to end the fight... whether that is throws, chokes, striking, controlling them, etc. 6.) Panantukan has a lot to offer... split entries, gunting/siko limb destruction, and much more dirty techniques. Combine this with some badass Muay Thai striking, and you are in good shape to win/leave. I could go on and on about how this can be utilized in any fighting scenario. Although MMA is fantastic (I do train modern MMA) and there are no weapons in the ring, that doesn't mean a good split entry punch to the chin won't be effective in an MMA fight. It doesn't mean that when clenching you can't slam your forearms into their neck (judo-chop LOL) and hubud/chi-sao/pummel into better positions in an MMA fight. It doesn't mean that you cant eye swipe after parrying a punch in a bar fight and then engage in grappling/striking/controlling or just end it there and get the hell out of that place. FMA is a fantastic and effective Martial Art and can be applied to many forms of fighting. Thank you again for the content and allowing me to analyze/comment. "Shed no needless blood."

[@skypants2]

Yeah, weird watching them talk about the art without going over or understanding the context & roots of it.

[@FlyingVFan]

I didnt even mention footwork... movement is life.

[@user-qv4fp9vm8u]

Yep drills are just drills for you to understand the movement and learn it

[@nhats4262]

Correct, Drills are Drills, it is until u don't need your brain to react but a reflex or muscle memory do, and it is up to you to form ur attack. Again it is up to your reflex either u wanted to be lethal or not, to kill or be killed. In the 80's one incident, a drunk man with machete swaying it like hell (Nag maoy), we ask for help from Kali practitioner (around 50's of age - I know his not a master but a relative of a master) he got consent to neutralize the drunk man. He only get half meter 2x2 coco lumber in his left hand and a baton (ratan) in his right hand. The drunk man run to him with bolo in right hand , the kali user just standing in the other side of the street with his coco lumber on his left side and ratan in the right side not showing aggression or form, here comes the attack coming to his left side, BOOM! the machete hit the coco lumber, Done the drunk man fell flat on the street. :-) LoL. so quick. I dont know how he hit the drunk man's rigth hand with his ratan, but I saw that he kick the drunk guy right after the machete landed in his coco lumber. Still I am amazed and awe how that right hand with ratan hit with accuracy. It Still a shocks me to this days every time I remember it. A praise from that kali user I remember, Kali is for warriors (handang mamatay o pumatay sa sitwasyon), it is useless for cowards and slow. You may call it kwentong barbero pero that's my real life experience :-D. hehehehe "I'm not a Kali user, me no good in Kali"

[@TheTruthseeker1231]

@Gabe Ron In some cases "stick fighting" was used for sword training and in other cases, it is "impact" weapon training. It is obvious that no one in this video actually has any real understanding of what FMA is. The rattan "sticks" are for training purposes in a real fight hardwood batons would be the weapon. These MMA guys are getting sport confused with armed combat.

[@realworldretouching7933]

Not once did I hear the instructor mention "defanging the snake". Icus and high low high are exercises that help us to build muscle memory and familiarity with specific lines, but they all lead to striking the limb to disarm the opponent. If someone rushes you with a stick your mission is not to "engage", but to strike his limb - disarm the snake. First principle in Kali - Defang the snake

[@CombatSelfDefense]

yeah that doesn't work.

[@realworldretouching7933]

@@CombatSelfDefense tell that to the Dog Brothers

[@negativeionz]

@@CombatSelfDefense Uh, the fuck it doesn't. I've disarmed people with blunt force weapons numerous times before. I know kali students who are psychiatric nurses who regularly disarm their mental hospital patients trying to stab them with bladed implements. Using kali. Like it happens several times a year level of experience. That's a hell of a lot harder than disarming a stick.

[@danix8538]

@@CombatSelfDefense So eating a jab sparring is a valid technique but getting a power strike on the fingers from a stick is totally fine. Tell me, what is this magic your using? And why can't you use it on your face to ignore those jabs and hooks?

[@Lcky-gu2gi]

@@CombatSelfDefense try Bobby Tabamina lol instead of some gringo who actually dont know FMA

[@inspirationalsportsph7288]

Shallow understanding of FMA martial arts sorry to tell that

[@808frontline]

Metrolina martial arts was taught that McDojo Escrima… just saying

[@RudyLouieTayong]

These guys are not Filipinos. Sticks are use because you do not want to kill and just minimise damage and put you in a safe distance. It is a weapon of peace. Filipinos actually use guns in war.

[@danix8538]

Brilliant 12:03 minutes mate. This "rushing in" business you mentioned sounded positively groundbreaking. Alas, it took just 3 seconds to type "Kali sparring" in the search field and have my hopes of a new secret weapon destroyed. On the other hand the search button can be your secret weapon too. You can avoid possible embarrassing situations where you might claim the equivalent of discovering hot water. Should anything like that happen, of course. As for the knowledge on display I can honestly say it is something else. Why not take that deep understanding of eskrima (and by that I mean the hundreds of styles grouped under the name of eskrima/kali/arnis, not to speak of other subfamilies like dumog - aka standup & ground grappling etc.) to the thirsty masses? There's more than a couple of groups who do sparring with live sticks. Of the top of my head Dog Brothers(also available through the magic of the search button) are one of the more well known, with training groups all over the US and in parts of Europe as well. Some of the more hardcore I think even do knife sparring with metal blanks. I'm sure they'll be quite interested in your insights and subsequent sparring. All-in-all your discussion of the various perceived failings of all the eskrima styles with a guest eskrima instructor who doesn't know how to deal with a charge, doesn't use the point of his weapon and who basically doesn't use the stick part in the stick grappling has been particularly illuminating. I mean usually just the grappling part has striking with knees/elbows/ fist/open hand/kicks, sweeps, throws, joint breaking, foot traps, all with a focus on controlling the hands since eskrima systems are, you know, weapon based, and we kinda worry about new weapons being introduced in play. I have to commend Mr. Leglocker being so knowledgeable and so modest, all at the same time. He so thoroughly avoided displaying that vast knowledge, in order not to outshine his host I assume, that people might think he is an incompetent hack. He truly is one of a kind. As a final note, I have to say I appreciate the deep analysis and the special pov provided. I knew it was going to be special right from the start, when I saw "stick fighter" in the title. I mean most eskrima students don't call themselves "stick fighters ". They don't call themselves knifefighters either despite the knife being way more present among the eskrima styles. They are called stick fighters mostly by people from outside the systems. That's when it hit me. While from the inside it looks like the blade is the essence of the system from the outside it looks like we're just banging sticks together. I mean I could kinda see it when Mr. Leglocker was doing hubud. Even when he didn't have a stick he had that solid grace of a brick hitting the asphalt. My mind has truly been opened today. I can hardly wait for an analysis of this level for more well known martial arts like Muay Thai or BJJ. I can already see the titles: "Crotchhugger technique laid bare!", "Is stand-up hugging fake?" Cheers fellow stickfighters

[@metrolinamartialarts]

You sure typed a lot for not having a point.

[@Denden-mx9gl]

My question is, if its not effective. Why do US Military and law enforcement use it?

[@aldavedesierdo42]

As someone who practices Kali here in Philippines yes some elements of kali are indeed unrealistic like some other combat sports or martial arts but as out instructor said, Kali is really not for sport nor point system although gyms encourages sparring with sticks to improve coordination and skill, Kali is being used widespread by our PH military and even ordinary guards in society who has their own arnis stick and the motion that 'stick fighting isn't real" is false.

[@arnowisp6244]

Given that Kali is from a third world country. Willing to bet it's garbage and promoted in the military via nationalistic propaganda. Can't wait to see men dying from an ineffective Martial art.

[@adamphillips2966]

Thank you ! illuminating and fun. I've been practising Kali/FMA in Bristol, UK for 8 weeks and loving it. I'm 48 years living now and really appreciate the gentle warm up we do in class (officially the fastest hour of my week) and the many drills to enliven my body spirit and mind confidence. After many different styles of MA - this one feels perfect for now. I look forward to more of your videos...

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Thank you for understanding my point! It’s a nuanced one and not a lot of people seem to get it

[@amante2443]

@@CombatSelfDefense You've changed my mind about Filipino stick fighting. I've previously never thought of it as having any utility at all. I know many people in the Filipino military (i.e the people who fight for the country were the stick fighting is from) and for basic combat they normally trained in stuff like Judo, boxing, Tae Kwon Do (but kicking to knock you out), Muay Thai (especially for the clinch as mentioned in the video), etc. I think they've military started incorporating BJJ & MMA into the military training too. I know that many combat units do learn stick fighting, but they don't use sticks, they use machetes (i.e they might practice with sticks, but use machetes in real combat). Hence, I've always thought in a normal civilian world, Filipino stick fighting has no utility. But as you've said if you've got a background in other fighting arts (which I believe Inosanto has) and have a stick or something stick like, and want to keep someone at a distance, or you don't want to break your fists, start rolling around on the ground, or if the other dude is just plain disgusting to touch, this is actually a way to go. And especially great when you're getting old too. Thank you for well reasoned argument (unlike others around the comments).

[@lastnameavailable326]

On most accounts, Filipino culture had actual stick-fighting duels as a non-lethal alternative to machete duels. Which is to say- it's a real thing, but not one that comes up in the US cultural context.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

I don’t want to sound like I’m picking on you specifically, but this is a comment that has come up multiple times, so I think I need to respond now… Sticks are real Beating someone with a stick is real Dueling with sticks is also real The training methods in FMA that involve long flows and complicated disarms are not real. Stick fighting - even amongst the dog brothers and other pressure tested stick fighters - looks like swinging, dodging, and lunging, then it looks like wrestling. It does not look like Jason Bourne. And that’s okay, I don’t believe the people that invented hubud drills thought of them as actual techniques to be applied

[@lastnameavailable326]

@@CombatSelfDefense That's fair. There was a point in the video where the claim seemed to be that stick fighting isn't a thing. That's a claim that gets made, anyway, because people in lots of places never do get into stick fights. It's different than the claim that stick drills aren't real stick fighting.

[@Hinterfrage]

@@CombatSelfDefense Yes, one should not confuse some training methods with applications. But why do you make a critical fma video, invite someone over ... and then not spar with him ?

[@007thematrix007]

fma/escrima stick fighting is more complicated than what was shown/explained in this vid., gotta go to a grandmaster in the art for you to fully understand it's applications in r.l.

[@alexanderbumgardner8899]

Not a sword fighting art? Lol. Read anything about the Fillipino Guerilla war against the US when we occupied it. Lots of soldiers got stabbed and we had to change how we interacted with the local population.

[@5milamila]

exactly. Little does Mr. Rex-Kwon-Do realize that if it weren't for the Filipino warrior, the US Military would have never considered the need for a powerful .45 round and the invention of the 1911 to deliver it.

[@astonprice-lockhart7261]

You make a really good point. A lot of the taichi waving arms didn't make sense until I saw shuai jiao.

[@wilsontexas]

I think you were saying you didn't have a teacher or the teacher didn't teach you?

[@astonprice-lockhart7261]

@@wilsontexas I said or better yet meant that shuai jiao and taijiquan has a lot in common and helps demystify it. Add shaolin long fist and the striking system that Taijiquan has makes sense as well considering it's a mixed martial art.

[@frameshapereyewear]

the Problem why u cannot translate your stick movements to hand to hand is because you stick movements are already awkward: You drill outside the range where you cannot hit your target and that is messing up timing, targeting, angles.. I did this kind of stuff and felt it did nothing for my progression. my Suggestion: The drill itsself is fine as most drills are so lets use this example: 1. define one a as the attacking role 2.get both into a state of mind and body position where you are loaded and ready to fight 3. the attacking guy starts with angle one to go for the head - right range/ proper timing (weapon moves first then body follows) 4. the other guy does the counter / block (whatever you call it) in angle two (proper angle, range and timing (body moves first then weapon) 5. roles change the guy that did the counter is now attacking with angle 3 6.the other guy counters using the angel 4 and so on... when you can do this you can translate it to empty hands without feeling awkward because you are actually hitting the target instead of playing stone and scissors and you can even beat up guys who swing at you and run into you fast. and you learn to read your Opponent where is he doing mistakes in his timing (e.g,. body moves first - hit him directly) his distance ( he is missing - do not run into it) his angles - he is not directly threatening or even slightly turnt away with his body - exploit it or at least correct your partner train mindful and monitor what you are doing and if you are in a good position or what you have to change to be in a good position and iterate every time. that's how I feel progression works keep up the good click baits it is bs but it brings attention to the art 🙂

[@BlastYu321]

FYI: Many are ignorant on how fighting mostly in the provinces of the Philippines happens. In the province since most are farmers we carry bolo/sword everyday. When one gets into a fight, expect that you are not fighting one opponent but many, by many I mean 2 - 10 or more multiple opponents all at the same time. We call it "kuyog". In real fights, you have to run and stop and run while fighting because there are just too many on all sides running after you with weapons such as knives and bolos. You train therefore with sticks but in reality it is a bolo/sword or knife. Remember you will be fighting multiple opponents at the same time. MMA fighting is good for 1-on-1 but not if you're fighting 5 people all together. You can grapple 1 but the other 4 are stabbing you. Hope the picture I try to draw will help you a bit to understand why Filipinos train with Kali.

[@sonsofthunder007]

Anything can be used knife 🔪 pen 🖊️ broomstick 🧹 Pool stick or sword 🗡️ Anything becomes essential an extension for your limbs in a fight. I believe Kali is what you make it

[@huntertruth1139]

Panantukan is the empty hand version, another element illustrating it as a complete art form

[@robertbehan9186]

I'd like to study Escrima. My dad was in the Marines and thought my twin bro and I should study Judo at 10yo. Thanks Dad! I love you and I miss you! After we quit I started getting bullied. I've only lost 2 fights in my life. I lost my first fight cause I didn't fight back because I thought I'd get on trouble for fighting. But my mom told me "don't ever come home beat up, unless the other person is worse!" 😂 Thanks mom! She was the enforcer growing up!. I fought once or twice a week, and got suspended every Thursday or Friday. I lost one more fight to a boxer. I was a kid and never fought a trained boxer. I studied Wing Chun for 2+ years when i was 40.

[@kenfutv]

Great video guys! If I can offer some technical advice; You have some great clean audio coming out of your static camera. I love that you have multiple camera angles. You'll have a much more cohesive viewing experience if you cut just the camera angles and keep the good audio track going throughout. Looking forward to watching more of your stuff!

[@RSergio08]

If guns never been invented… FMA will own everyone.. just like what they did to Magellan.. nuff said

[@ninjetos]

Great video guys. Just subscribed to Metrolina. When's the next collaboration? Nice work.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

My secret goal is to move Ed out here

[@arnowisp6244]

Please tell that to the Philippine armed forces that they are teaching their men an ineffective fighting art.

[@Hinterfrage]

That has no relevance ... military units do not fight unarmed(gun) ... if you want to know if something works then you go to places where this type of fighting is also being used.

[@klargusa]

You don’t enough about stick fighting to speak on the matter. Kali has empty hand principles as well, inside and outside fighting. Was practiced for combat and proven in death matches.

[@joshuae.6447]

I hope someone will teach true FMA

[@guroedwinrodriguez]

I’m calling him out

[@devinmccurry5546]

These two have never grew up in a rural area, every man carries a knife every wear he goes, and sticks are easy to get and use, along eith baseball bats and bricks which is also usually found In fights 😅😅, also a tatted guy with a gun, and knife holsters if perfectly normal to engage, would just assume either a veteran or some wanna be badaass

[@Myidealbody]

So what I'm hearing is I should walk around dressed as The Punisher....

[@CombatSelfDefense]

I….rewatch the video.

[@michalwright6979]

I think a lot of points were missed about Escrima in general. My first art was boxing then BJJ, then Serrada Escrima. I do not claim to be an expert, but the takes on Escrima were minimizing. I do agree Escrima has use outside of the art itself & can be done into old age; but I believe many of the combat concepts can be applied in other areas of training & martial arts.

[@jimromero8224]

Although your hearts were in the right place you missed the most important part of Kali........

[@maaa.a.8003]

Great video! I like your knowledge base in the various techniques.

[@GruncleJohn]

Thanks for the advice!

[@senseierictollett4830]

You guys are utilizing the sticks as a stick. In some forms of FMA, Kali the stick is a blade. And we are cutting your hands,arms,legs and in all the vital areas. And also taking on multiple attackers. In short everything is transferred to the blade. Stick,knife and hand.

[@donveto4317]

You must not forget, if you see something in your opponents hand, you will hesitate.. Do not understimate that stick weapon. It is the only weapon easily to find and can pass airport scanners with out problems

[@dbz24]

Haha “do it when I’m running at you this fast”. Kali is not used as an art for show..it’s combat and straight to the kill. When you’re facing a Kali fighter, and you’re swinging your stick around that fast, chances are…he’s going to catch it and go for the straight kill. “One hit, one kill”..the Filipino way. He’s not going to play fight you using the same technique you showed swinging the stick around. The only time that’s used is to develop the attributes and sensitivity drill.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Yes. That’s the point we’re making

[@zeros-gy7bl]

@@CombatSelfDefense then why do a whole song and dance? why make a video in such a click baiting and racist type (pinoy baiting & featuring non-filipinos) of way? for views? you want a load of comments and engagement by looking ignorant? just say from the beginning that it's for quick kills (TKO by stick or beheading w/ bolo), and that you personally believe long form disarmaments don't work, for you. have a warriors mind.

[@ziggymarley4961]

@@CombatSelfDefense NO you were not you're trying to say it was useless if someone was to come running at you wildly with a stick and that the arnis defense was useless. That so called kali practitioner didnt even know how to defend himself with a stick wielding attack. He's useless with the arnis. You guys are a buncha imbeciles go learn it properly dont take pieces from a book and claim it yours to understand.

[@richardhenry1969]

His argument breaks down when you live in a violent city. Yes defending yourself is important. Yet Baltimore has more then 300 murders a year. I guess he believes none of those guys could fight. I’m just getting sick of thes guys that train mma for a few years and think they know everything.

[@bryanocampo9537]

I'm not an expert in FMA also practitioner, but if I'm to choose and to be surrounded by a lot of enemy I'll choose stick, I can do block and attack at ease. Hollywood just made it cool looking and from other that practice it, but in my opinion it kinda look soft. The history of stick fighting in the Philippines predates ancient times, our ancestor used this to fight during Spanish colonization of the Philippines specially for those that don't have access to itak/bolo(long knife) or other metal weapons. With stick you can easily make it from a strong tree branch and almost available back then. While the stick can do mostly stun I think for some guru they forgot that this stick is being use to break enemy's neck or skull. Arnis(the stick) well for some it is just a typical wood but the real Arnis is not ordinary stick it should be created from strong tree like Narra, Kamagong and Philippine ironwood, this stick is heavier compare to ordinary one, practitioner are trained for the weight of it as well, there are even variants of long stick. Sadly those of our lolo's(grand father, guru) that practices it are fading, there are more to Stick and Knife in Kali. Like any other martial arts there are variants of this technique specially the stick fighting. No martial arts are perfect or no technique are perfect it always has flaw. One flaw of every martial arts/ technique in my opinion is the practitioner. Kali knife is the the deadliest form, stick for the defense, you can use it both in a fight. I have 1 stick in my car, for knife it is legal only if it is shorter and folded.

[@TyMcLeod]

hah, recognized Ed and knew the other guy looked familiar. What’s up Rob, you been killing it with your training. ✊🏽

[@TheTruthseeker1231]

Sorry I can't buy this. Where did you get your stick? Really? FMA techniques are valid for all kinds of improvised weapons, bottles, pipe, broomhandles, cane, umbrella, etc... even a rock! All can be used with FMA techniques in combat. Edged weapons use some different techniques but core techniques are the same. Many drills are designed to develop attributes (timing, range, etc...) not actually used for combat. Just like a speed bag in boxing. The rattan sticks are for training in real practice one would prefer a hardwood. Bull rushing against a trained FMA practitioner would be suicide. Doesn't really seem like these guys know much about FMA. I seriously doubt that any MMA practitioner has a chance against an experienced FMA with a knife. I would say there isn't much chance for the MMA against an impact weapon either.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Most FMA practitioners would also not stand a chance against an attacker with a knife. The honest ones will tell you that. Also, “many drills are designed to develop attributes?” That sounds verrry familiar 😉

[@TheTruthseeker1231]

@@CombatSelfDefense a FMA practitioner would stand a far greater chance than an MMA fighter who has absolutely no training in knife fighting at all. No one should ever want to be in a knife fight as it is a very dangerous situation. But to have no training in such tactics at all is to have no real chance against someone who is trained.

[@inspirationalsportsph7288]

@@CombatSelfDefense sorry to tell but your understanding of FMA is so limited

[@negativeionz]

@@inspirationalsportsph7288 His understanding of many arts and principles of violence is very limited. He gets some things right but he loves hyperbole too much.

[@stephenkenny7661]

QUESTION???....3:22 THE NAME of the camera that SHE IS USING??? I'm curious because it looks small!!

[@abriltagapulot5299]

Kali works. During spanish revolt long time ago. And it was not sticks before. They use blade like bolo. Spaniards replace it with sticks. And fma is suppose attack or counter to kill. The shorter the figths. The better.

[@AlfonzoCarson]

How realistic is Kali stick fighting with a cane or walking stick? In that scenario it seems like it would be very effective.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

It kind of depends on how it’s trained.

[@frankbaron1608]

the stick is meant to represent a bladed weapon hence you angle your wrists the way you do a sword, but my instructor states that one of its prime purpsoes is to tighten hand/eye coordination

[@Swaa]

A person must decide what they're training for, sport or self defense. I think some people (even martial artists) mistake drills for actual combat or techniques. Drills are used to create muscle memory and sensitivity. When defending yourself in the street, chances are the attacker isn't a skilled fighter, but skilled in violence, which goes a long way when attacking someone. So skills and techniques alone isn't enough to save you. You must embrace controlled violence if you hope to survive.

[@tomazmoreira881]

I sugest you to go to Filipines and pick a fight at streets, than you will see if there is no "stick" fight lol

[@antondelacruz9362]

The information telling you what kali is is freely available online. This video is a lot of idle speculation based on modern practices and the assumption that all classic 'kali' styles were used in the same context and had the same weapons and applications.

[@christopherpavkovich4995]

Dumog is Filipino wrestling. Panatukan is dirty boxing.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Correct.

[@johnspow2798]

The purpose of full contact stickfighting is also, that you can use machetes, knives etc. with exactly the same actions like you use for your sticks.

[@robertmedsker5305]

The original stick fighting was more one hit one kill.. modern day has brought more movement based training for attributes and flow..

[@richardhenry1969]

First off why pick a guy that’s not really a stick fighter. I promise anyone I trained with in FCS could kick his ass.

[@henryposadas3309]

Wow people these days seem to think they are experts at everything 🤣 The mere fact that Americans call it Kali and think it is just one style (there are specific stick styes and blade styles) shows how much misinformation Americans (even Filamericams) have about arnis. Id like to see him rush against a good arnis guy using heavy wood here in the Philippines.

[@Basta11]

The thing with Filipino Martial Arts is that it’s based on dueling culture similar to fencing and gun dueling in Europe. Spaniards didn’t want Filipinos carrying swords, and also swords were expensive, and probably too lethal for trivial offenses so people decided to use sticks of a certain type for duels combining western fencing with indigenous arts.

[@user-dg2hh1tq7d]

In criminology class or police curriculumn in Philippines we trained in multiple attackers armed and unarmed with motorcycles and hardcore resisting jujutsu, aikijujutsu and Kali/FMA if you got injured there is wheelchair, there is clinic and there is hospital, but soldiers trained in blades and others were confidential.

[@alanrawson-wg8io]

I’ve been a Arnis practitioner most of my adult life ( Okinawan Karate before that) . I’ve attended seminars taught by Master Remy Presas who said that sticks were a relatively safe training tool for bolos .

[@johnemmanlongabela6149]

If your hand wasn't smash once it means you didn't learn Filipino Martial Art.

[@unclebraddah]

In context of the topic, the doubter was right. Drills aren't enough to convince someone. They have to be applied and work while sparring at the very least.

[@gw1357]

I agree with the points about the stick fighting being a vehicle for trapping/wrestling instruction. But, I don't think though that its fair to skip over the more obvious applications. There may not be "stick fighting" but "objects of roughly stick size" come into play all the time. The most important thing from a self-defense perspective is that the stick is a stand-in for any other object of similar size...and the world is FULL of those things. So the stick becomes a proxy for learning about concealed, disguised, and improvised weapons. Managing range is the foundation of all combat and the stick training is the vehicles for learning how objects alter range calculation. (By concealed weapons, I mean things like knives and batons small enough to be hidden on your person. By disguised weapons, I mean dual use objects like canes, umbrellas, flashlights, etc. By improvised weapons, I mean things like a bottle, magazine, silverware, glasses, simple tools, etc.) So, in that sense, I don't really agree that "stick fighting doesn't exist." You're right that no one has a symmetrical fight using sticks of equal size and shape. But if you ever have a fight in a real world environment (especially indoors), then your ability to wield an object of that size (and to defend against an object of that size) -- no matter where that object originates from -- is very relevant.

[@ziggydog5091]

You just have to be willing to use the weapon, that is all. Beware of old men with small knives.

[@museumarchive6484]

Send location so that we can play???or i say you are begginers.

[@rageoftheredphoenix]

When they were close without the loos, it looks like wing Chun. With the arm and blocks techniques.

[@krisvincent]

The dude in black has fingers missing on his right hand handles the stick pretty well.

[@daviddoby4645]

I would like to see you face off against an fma practitioner!

[@CombatSelfDefense]

In what arena? Hand to hand or stick on stick?

[@daviddoby4645]

@@CombatSelfDefense you make the statements you do ! The law enforcement, special forces train with fma practitioners not Metrolina Martial Arts ! So it sounds as though you consider yourself an expert so arena would be your choice !

[@CombatSelfDefense]

@@daviddoby4645 you have no way of knowing this, so I won’t hold it against you, but I worked for the police force in Austin for a time. They require less than 8 hours of combat training per year, and don’t pay their officers for extended learning either. Most of the time, LEO and military forces that “train in” a given style do it on their own time or when a special seminar is given maybe once or twice per year. Many of those “elite operator” trainers are selected not because they have something of value to add, but because they reached out to the police or military themselves and sold a pretty package. This isn’t to say that those programs don’t include good training, but “working with police and military” doesn’t automatically mean the training is good. Moreover, if you’re in the police or military and find yourself in a one on one, hand to hand confrontation, something went horribly wrong

[@Hinterfrage]

@@CombatSelfDefense Always these military and police arguments ... these people are not fighters, neither unarmed nor with historical weapons such as sticks, knives and so on. If martial arts are taught in the military then only to have basic techniques and for the mindset and sometimes a bit of fitness! Still, the argument remains you can't make a clip and badmouth FMA without fighting! So put a stick in your hand and do a few fights with as few rules as possible ... go to a Gathering or something like that for example ... then you can see if the whole thing is as skillless as you might think ...

[@chn-pinoytv4790]

​@@CombatSelfDefense no rules just do ur best to win the figth ur MMA style vs Kali with stick,machete or knife...then compare it if ur style is best in real life

[@metrolinamartialarts]

The No-Touch Trapping Guy vs No-Hands Trapping Guy 😅🤣

[@CombatSelfDefense]

This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object

[@Viewtyfulworld]

I would believe you if you shot a video challenging a kali practitioner if you could be even here with us after to publish it hahaha you don understand that this has proven efficiency pre gun wars.

[@eczp2002]

Try to fight 1 in a real life and death situation or even just look at how fast this people fight in a tournament... you literally cannot see where the strikes come from. In fact I was tasked to make an electronic scoring system back in 2004 in a Camp Crame World Arnis Championship tournament... my system failed only in one aspect... the fighters were too fast and even setting my push buttons a 3rd of a second was not enough.

[@johndrake5467]

Historical context is important for understanding any martial art. The historical context of FMA is that a lot of people carried nachettes in the Philippines for non fighting applications such as clearing a path through the jungle of cutting sugar cane. If you just ran at somebody wildly with a machete who also has a machette you might not survive the encounter. There are other context of people fighting with machettes The successful slave rebelluon on the ship La Amistad was done with xane knives. The Rwandan genocide was done with machetes. As an American or Canadian walking this may never apply to you. As for stick fighting, the most none threatening person armed with astick is someone carrying a walking cane or "combat umbrellaa." In a bar there may be pool ques though thats more of a ayah staff weapon. And I say this as someone who doesn't train stick fighting. That said it's interesting to at the cross application of training drills.

[@lons5472]

Reminds me of my early days with Northwest Kali under Sifu Chris Clarke.

[@k9ninjaworld557]

It's a complete system, of which there are endless tribal and family teachings and doctrine. It varies from European style swordsmanship duelling to more primitive machete and melee weapon weilding techniques and group battlefield tactics. It covers all ranges including ground, (but not often trained), grappling, empty hands with heavy western boxing influence, knife defence, two hand long weapons, double hand weapons, disarms, maiming techniques, improvised weapon skills that utilise the patterns built from the weapons training, and short blade killing methods. It has been used on the battlefield, the local villages in honour duels, and defence from marauders,with Chinese, Indonesian, Spanish, Western, and Japanese Karate and Judo influence. Probably the most versatile art under the sun, it fills the gaps and contains many of its own. It's only as practical as you train it. You're not going to bite, gouge and spit on your training partner, but you can hit them hard with PPE. Of course there's weapon grappling, as does Tai Chi, if you look you will see the similarities. You'll see Karate footwork and forms, the circular aspects of Chinese MA, and incredibly refined swordsmanship eg. Espada y daga. You need to cross train outside FMA to truly appreciate it, then it can be used to fill the gaps combatively with great effect. It can be as benign as using hubad concepts with the local drunk to get past him peacefully, or as inhumanely violent as can be imagined.

[@kevincage1641]

This guy says stick fighting doesn’t exist. I never understood how someone from a culture not historically rooted in day to day survival can make a statement such as this. Privilege and preference never cease to amaze me. His opinion is based in emotion rather than fact and logic.

[@MajesticRidez]

Tell that to my homeboy who was a golden gloves champion and had his skull cracked open

[@kimmok74]

you are correct. The FMA is concept of timing, range, ways to attack etc. It was never about just hitting with a stick in a fancy looking way :)

[@waynecrane1466]

No time to wrestle in street fight for your life, all martial arts have benefits

[@ZenatiOmar]

I love KALI because its a Humble and Amazing Art and it never claimed to be the best

[@bethelacademyofmartialarts3966]

So the take away is that stick fighting doesn’t exist 🤔🤔🤔

[@hopelesslydull7588]

Watch the first minute of the video again. One of the first things they say. The takeaway is most of the techniques in FMA aren't designed to be used in real combat. They're designed to teach a concept or build some other skill. Smacking someone's stick directly in line with your stick/knife with your knife/sword with your sword is very dumb in a fight 90% of the time. Grappling up close isn't stick fighting, it's grappling while holding a stick/knife/sword. Stick fighting is real. Most of the early stick fighting techniques taught in FMA aren't real.

[@bethelacademyofmartialarts3966]

Thats ridiculous, maybe to the untrained or ignorant. FMA is a weapon art based system, of course it has practical concepts and strategies to fight with a impact weapon.

[@hopelesslydull7588]

@@bethelacademyofmartialarts3966 Using kata isn't practical in real life 90% of the time. Boxing combinations aren't practical in real life 90% of the time. It's not necessarily an insult to say these drills and moves weren't designed to be used in a real fight, but to teach a skill or have some kind of cross application. Comparing real (not light) FMA sparring to this video and videos by people that claim to be instructors, there is a big difference. I don't understand why that is.

[@bethelacademyofmartialarts3966]

@@hopelesslydull7588 drills build skills, sparring and Alive training drills need to be part of one’s training in FMA, but again I don’t agree that someone not trained at all in FMA should be making a judgement call on them. The Dog Brothers, KI, Sayoc , etc. train and have fight specific drilling.

[@hopelesslydull7588]

@@bethelacademyofmartialarts3966 That's fine to think someone not trained at all in a martial art can't pass a judgement call, but it's not always wrong to do so. I'm not in a position to make any claims, but someone who has trained under several martial arts for a few decades would, even if they have never been trained in that particular style. Example: Xu Xiaodong

[@willcurrie6210]

Damn you Rob, now I have nothing but Filipino Stick fighting videos on my suggestions now 😂😂

[@CombatSelfDefense]

You’re welcome ;)

[@gdjaybee742]

I read somewhere here on youtube the history or Kali or Arnis in the Philippines. I'm Filipino, and this story makes sense. Filipinos were colonized by Spaniards for 400 years, and in those times, the Spaniards forbid Filipnos to practice martial arts to defend themselves from their occupation, so Filipinos were forbidden to practice with knifes, swords, spears, etc, so the Filipinos devised a way to learn the art of Kali in secrecy, and stick fighting was born. As you've surmised fighting or defending with a stick was not end form, is basically theory for the art which is applied in real life using hand to hand combat, knife, sword, etc. The very first Spaniard occupation Ferdinand Magellan died at tha hand of the local Indigenous people of Lapu Lapu. The Spaniards were well armed and wore armors but was defeated by Filipinos who the equals of native Americans, but were very skilled with the machetes, spears. knives.

[@catstudent1]

I think it is useful, but really in the context in which is was developed. I would definitely say the origins is a sword art\ blade to grappling range. But today its unlikely you are going to walk around with a stick or small sword on you.

[@ConveyApp]

I did stick for about 4 years back in 1999-2003. I believe stick should be taught to anyone interested in MMA. Stick was invaluable for my hip movement in Thai boxing, Judo, and BJJ. It also helped me with my southpaw movement. I owe a lot of my skills for the other things I do to my Arnis practice.

[@tonyhondo416]

I would love to see a You Tube video of these two guys attending a Bobby Taboada eskrima seminar or traveling to the Philippines and training with the Balintwak eskrimadors. It would open their eyes.

[@fishonado]

1) stick fighting is a substitute for sword fighting and everything revolves around it starting with a long blade to short blade to empty hand. 2) WWII was won by farmers like my grandfather, great uncles and uncles using sticks, bolos and spears to take guns away from the Japanese before the US came back which was 3 years. I think it works.. your comparing sport stick fighting with hitting the broad face of a stick to targeting the ends of the stick to someone's temple, eyes, hands or knees where 100 percent of the force and torque is used to explode the nerve endings.

[@thomasstillman4805]

Let's not confuse training drills with actual combat. Actual weapons fighting is more multidimensional than training drills. Also, many well thought out theory's don't necessarily hold up under pressure.

[@tumao_kaliwat_napulo]

I don't know if this is a clickbait or not but you don't do drill moves when it comes to real fights, and the kali instructor first and foremost should already have an idea that those sticks are just placeholder for anything you can hold on to... and a swordfight kali is also a very bad idea because if sticks could already cause injuries how much would a sword be even its a dull blade...

[@davidncw4613]

Watch out for the old man that gets around pretty good but carries a 1'' hickory cane.

[@garybaugh5433]

If you want to see real stick fighting, contact me or Darren Tibon. BTW you have two contacts.

[@arvincheech]

pls spar with grandmaster Taboada.. he will change your mind about filipino kali art..

[@CombatSelfDefense]

You realize the absurdity of you saying “spar a 70 year old man who is literally the grandmaster of his system and one of the most famous martial artists on the planet,” right? You realize the absurdity of having to reach that far to find an accurate representative of the style? And that, even if we SHOULD find a way to spar, he will end up only swinging the stick or wrestling with me?

[@spoonking3333]

There is a big difference if you practice the art part of kali .and the combat part of kali.. come here in the philippines, here you still see people kill each other using machete/bolo,i am a first hand witness to fma's brutality . pilipino military used combat kali fighting rebels in the mountains,tell that to these people that kali is not realistic..come here in mindanao particularly..

[@cjbadia-on9348]

Oh yeah. As a mindanaon from Philippines, you want to try first hand real FMA combat using sticks or blades, one hit, one kill? You are welcome here.

[@nicheplusarchitecture8632]

this guy will get beaten well if he meets a well trained kali practitioner

[@nikolab.4065]

So, here is the simplest tip on how to make any "unrealistic" martial art work *do boxing* Boxing + FMA empty hands = instantly better Boxing + Wing Chun = instantly better Boxing + Taekwondo = instantly better Also, do lots of pull-ups and incorporate onions into your diet ;)

[@Maodifi]

Maybe that just means that many of those “unrealistic” arts are lacking proper training of fundamentals?

[@SparktehFox]

@@Maodifi Part of FMA includes striking (dirty boxing), disarming, joint locks, and wrestling. Sticks are introductory.

[@yeetlordentertainment3937]

Big agree tbh, Boxing is stellar for making up for what a "bad" martial art lacks. Wing chun is a great example, some really solid techniques in that one. But due to a few reasons, it gets absolutely bodied... until you mix it with boxing. That's probably my number 1 piece of advice to a would-be kung fu fighter, learn wing chun AND boxing, you'll be better off if you'd learned either on its own.