Stihl 500i VS 090 Forty Year Old Saw | Rip Race

The most popular saw vs the old giant, which one is faster at ripping logs?
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[@NathanVdV]

the 090G is a 105cc saw, basically the same as an 070 but in addition it has the gearing system to improve its torque to be close to the actual 137cc (not 120cc) of the 090. so less fuel consumption for the same amount of torque.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

I split the difference. 😉 That gear box, It definitely has the torque factor going.

[@NathanVdV]

@@MountainVoiceInc that’s the whole purpose of its existence ;-) torque for days 🤘

[@em4703]

@@NathanVdV Which is irrelevant unless you're burying a 84" bar in a huge tree. Anything smaller and its RPM and HP that matters, and that's in 99.9% of other cases, like this video. So no, that 090g is a very niche saw.

[@NathanVdV]

@@em4703 torque is never irrelevant for a saw, doesn’t matter if you have a 20 or 80inch bar on it. If you lean on it to push it to the max, torque is what it keeps going. And you can push an 090g much harder than the 070 while they have the came cc.

[@joewelder6780]

Awesome video guys!

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Thanks!

[@shottyshoshco]

Love ❤️ the humor! I need one of them debarkers. New subscriber here. Thank you for the video. Carpe diem.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Welcome. The debarker is called a log wizard if you want look them up.

[@timwoodger7896]

You should try the McCullough 125 as they were made for higher rpms the 090 is a torque monster and are good for felling big trees but are slower and not really suitable for the smaller trees of today. The 090 makes a good milling saw as it has a manual oiler and can run an 8 foot bar :)

[@MountainVoiceInc]

The 090 makes a good miller if the cuts are wide. I haven’t tried a McCullough 125, maybe it would be a little faster. Or I know there are several versions of the O90 and some of them don’t have the gear reduction which might actually be helpful here.

[@grantlandking4361]

yeah i have had a few of the MCGUTLESS 125 , few years back at a log cutting event i was bragging on the 125 MCGUTLESS and a old timer ask could he show me something and being the nice person i am i said YES show me what u got, he took the 090 stihl and cut the 125 in half, moral or the story, ir u want to keep any of the guts in your 125 MCGUTLESS dont get it close to a 090 stihl because it cut it in half like butter, i when home and got the other one i had and dug a small hole and iaid em to rest, on a quite nite u can hear them rusting, no guts, no saw, thats the story and i am sticking to it!!

[@em4703]

There's nothing a McCullough 125sp has over a stihl 880 or 881, not in weight, and not in power. Its a great saw for its time but it's loved because of nostalgia, not because it's something better.

[@loganmendelev2529]

I have a Stihl 076. It has the same horsepower as the Stihl 661 but holds more fuel and apparently has a lot more torque? How does torque affect the saw? It it just how it's able to pull through a very large log without the chain stalling? Or is that horsepower. I feel like I know but then I could be entirely wrong. I know the 090 has 0.1 hp less thant the 881 but has waay more torque. Does that mean it can cut much larger logs?

[@boooshes]

That was fun

[@MountainVoiceInc]

It was

[@Machinesvehiclesvariouscontent]

good video

[@Whateva67]

I used to rip big spruce,fir and cedar trees either using an 088 or a Husky 3120 with 5 or 6 foot bars,never used an 090 though but I would sure love to have one. I use an old 066,an 038 magnum 2 and a 200T for climbing.Hello from British Columbia

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Was the 3120 or 088 better at ripping? I’m also in BC, how bout that.

[@Whateva67]

@@MountainVoiceInc had a few issues with the 3120s but they cut a bit faster than the 088, that Stihl is a tractor tho. I don’t think the husky could take a bar longer than 6 feet but I still ripped through spruce and cedars up to 8 ft diameter. I used to Heli log with the skycranes all over the coast.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

I see so you were breaking them down in the bush just to get the weight down for the heli. The o9o is a definitely a tractor. Full house chain on it with like 100 teeth contacting wood and it still just pulls out shavings.

[@Whateva67]

@@MountainVoiceInc yup,the aircrane would lift up to 25 thousand pounds but sometimes the logs were too much even though they were at a minimum bucking length already,sometimes 13’6” but still weighing over 30 grand. The smaller helicopters like a vertol or Kamov would lift 10-14 thousand but they were usually in smaller wood cutblocks anyway but there would be the occasional ripper on the hill. Makes me miss logging now that I’m talking about it.

[@grantlandking4361]

very good job men, nice to see you young men doing test such as the one u just did, the 090 is a beast and makes a nice cut, iot iess work to do on the finish, have not had a saw that beat the beast, over all the 090 is a dress right dress saw mill in its on right!!! keep up the good work.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

The fact it’s a relatively close race speaks for itself. It’s not like you could race a brand new impact drill and a 50 year old impact.

[@joefarmer4465]

Awesome saw!. I own husky, craftsman homelite and poulan. No Stihl yet, cause I'm still looking for a deal!

[@MountainVoiceInc]

All good saws i'm sure. I was a husky only faller for many years. Stihl and Husky hold the professional saw market in a close first and second.

[@howarddeheer8295]

The old stihl has their own sound. Do the test again with the same size of bar and chains . My 056 is as big as I want with a 32 inch bar. You younger guys can have them bigger saws

[@eagerlawncare3700]

I used to own that model saw Sitting at idle it would vibrate across the grass over the curb and into the street

[@MountainVoiceInc]

sounds about right. ha

[@garengtutorial8923]

Wow keren bos

[@redlinemotorcars2184]

Idk if that comparison is really fair because the butt log is always harder than the first cut but a good comparison nonetheless, these new saws do rock i have a 661 and a first edition 066 and the 661 cuts considerably better but I’m comparing new with perhaps 30 years old.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Both logs are butt logs but they are on opposite sides. Pretty close to the same size, no two trees are exactly the same though. I used a 661 for bucking some of these trees, it’s works well, 500i was slightly faster.

[@mountainviewcattle]

I noticed all the wood chips you got in your boots when you emptied them out at 13:25. I was wondering why you had been wearing your chainsaw pants inside your boots as that allows wood chips to get down into your boots 😀. I noticed when you put them back on you put your pants over top which is how I wear mine to prevent stuff from getting down into them.👍. I'd recommend always wearing your pants over top of your chainsaw boots.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

The hidden lesson of this video. The reverse tuck. Glad you noticed.

[@chikaraemmanuel8689]

I’d like to see a comparison between Dunlop’s and Vikings.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

ha. please no...

[@azkachainsaw7401]

Mantau bs 👍👍

[@hariantogesek]

Mantap tarikan mesinnya👍

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Pulls great.

[@grandbozkiranrestaurant1237]

Ayni boyda pala takin ozaman hangisi daha iyi

[@cakrselami5015]

Stıhl 090g modeli (yeniden kesinlikle üretilmeli)

[@awaite7992]

What are the chain specs on each ??? 3/8, 404 etc

[@MountainVoiceInc]

O90 is 404. 500i is 3/8. Good point, wider chain = slower cut. Maybe. Might need to test that theory.

[@awaite7992]

@@MountainVoiceInc 404 is like running a cat thru a keyhole. I would worry about chain stretch on such a long bar as the 090 and torque that this beast has. Another comparison would be a Non Geardrive Version.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

@@awaite7992 So far so good. 404 was standard back in the day so I don’t even know if the 090 can run anything else. I would also be curious about a non gear reduction model. 090s are hard to find though.

[@Whateva67]

Cannon used to make an 8 foot bar that I believe would only fit the 088 or 090.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

That’s a lot of bar, ripping only I’ll bet. Even my 5’ bar bends so much the chain comes off.

[@TimberTrainer]

My favorite ripper is the 592.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

I imagine that would be a great ripper. I love my 390 so a 592 would be even better.

[@Mickocarbomb]

I love the old saws becsuse they sound like they got a friggin cam in em. By no means is the poulan a good brand or the same tier as an 090 but my 245 and 306 sound badass compared to my 460 rancher

[@adamzaidi1748]

I would have thought running the same size bar on each saw would be a more fair comparison rather than having a significantly larger or longer bar on one saw than the other.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Ya I would have if I had a small bar for the 090. It's a disadvantage to have the long bar in this situation I think. Long bar vs short, full house chain vs skip tooth, nothing is fair, but that doesn't really matter, just which is faster.

[@em4703]

Ms500i with a 36’’ bar is the way to go

[@MountainVoiceInc]

It handles it well enough. I find 28-32 is a good fit for me, balance point vs reach is the debate with longer bars. I favour balance myself.

[@JamesWilson-ox1kc]

So a fuel injected 100-110cc saw or a 50cc lightsabre would be awsome

[@MountainVoiceInc]

haha, ya a nice thin lightsaber might be the ticket.

[@joemcguire256]

To be fair, each saw ought to have the same length bar and a new same style chain out of the box.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

The fair part is they both have chains and are saws. The rest is different engineering decisions and 40 years of technology

[@vinzer8808]

090g has double the torque and half the rpm vs 070 due to its gear reduction. While it's not a really fair fight, when bar lengths go more 500i will not even come close

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Ya if they had the same bar on the 090 would win if the bar was long and had lots of teeth, but the 500i would win if the bar was short and had few teeth. The trees were both fairly big, but the double cut method favours smaller bars. If the question is which saw can rip a relatively large log in half faster I thing we have a winner.

[@vinzer8808]

@@MountainVoiceInc you bet brother, short bar low load high HP wins. Long bar heavy load? Torque! Always! 😉

[@sonsofliberty3081]

4ft, full house ripping =tq²

[@grandbozkiranhotel4105]

Pala boyları aynı olması gerek 090 palasi büyük daha derine dalıyor 500i palasi kıssa

[@davidrehaluk8620]

I had a 80cc jonsered but the anti vibe was horrible I had to sell it I run my 30” bar on my 372 now But you gotta lone the sound of the old saws I have a 90 cc partner that sounds like a. Dirt bike

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Exactly like a dirt bike. Old 2 stroke ones anyway.

[@luuuk7534]

They'd pay a fortune for that 090 G here in Germany

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Really? Wasn’t it made in Germany, shouldn’t there be more of them in or near Germany?

[@Oli4vn]

@@MountainVoiceIncthe trees here don’t require massive bars and thus saws that pull them. So there are very little 090s and even less geared variants here. I would love to own one one day.

[@dn0682]

090g it's 105.6 cc unless upgraded to 66 mm pot and piston wich make 137 cc . I personally prefer old ones less fussy.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

I haven’t checked piston size, so let’s go with 105.5cc. Pretty hard to tell how much power the saw has with that gear reduction, keeps working though. I’ll bet the 500i won’t be working in 40 years.

[@dn0682]

I totally agree that new saws won't last as long, anyway 090g it's a torque monster, hp not much maybe 6.5 but loads of torque. I have couple of old stihls myself and enjoy running them.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

they are pretty fun, might just have to make my own anti vibe though.

[@timwoodger7896]

The 070 is 105cc and the 090 is 137cc, I have an 070 and going to change the jug to an 090 :)

[@dolmarf411]

this was the 090G, not the same as 090@@timwoodger7896

[@elisha_oo]

Why not use the same bar length, stock chain, and just cut rounds....

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Good question. Well I’m sure other people have covered the 500is cross cut already, and I have logs to rip in half anyway. The 090 isn’t really compatible with a stock bar, so there is no fair comparison there. I just set each one to play off their advantage’s. The 090 is slow but high torque so lots of teeth is better. The 500i is fast so narrow bar and less teeth is better.

[@Machinesvehiclesvariouscontent]

the 090G will be slower due to its reduced transmission.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Totally. I tried to combat that by giving it full house chain, but ya best of both and the new saw takes it for speed with a double cut method. The 090 could cut all the way through with 1 cut, but that wouldn’t necessarily make it any faster.

[@gs51018]

Not using a rip chain. Way better and faster!

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Rip chain could be better. Either way chains only remove material as fast as the chain spins so not much faster I think in this case. Could be another video if you want, I could test rip chain on the 500i and see if it cuts faster. I have to make cross cuts all the time so I opt to not use rip chains on most of my saws.

[@rayban5737]

500i is insanely thirsty

[@MountainVoiceInc]

So was the 090, the tank on that saw is like 3 times bigger than the 500i. Can’t say that the 500i used much more fuel than any other saw I use. But I haven’t measured it.

[@emy6309]

We say the 090 is 137cc

[@MountainVoiceInc]

I thought so, but in the moment I forgot the exact cc. so I rounded down to the nearest husky.

[@Aprenticefalconer]

500 doesn’t hold up to daily logging very well. They are great when new but start coming apart after a few months. The dogs are junk and the chain catcher is a joke. Dulls your chain every time you throw it.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Hard to throw a chain if the bar is buried in wood, so more if an annoyance for brush and piddly stuff I guess. I haven’t looked close at the chain catcher, but I’ll take your word for it.

[@Tomabega]

Nije isto vodilica od 50cm na motorku od 6ks i od 100cm na staru

[@johndoe-ko8nu]

should try a different angle on your cutters ) 0 to 5 degrees?

[@MountainVoiceInc]

That would make it dull less quickly, but I am pretty happy with my program. It’s pretty fast, and I can still use the saw for normal bucking and limbing without changing the bar.

[@Maniacal_Saw_Works]

It’s an 090 G, much cooler

[@MountainVoiceInc]

True.

[@dolmarf411]

take the normal 090, then its twice the speed.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

I’ll keep an eye out, they are hard to find. One with an anti vibe would also be appreciated.

[@ispettore1cq623]

Put the 090 bar in ms500..... the ms 500 go down😂

[@MountainVoiceInc]

thats true

[@gelmarbolante6887]

Hahahaha" you don't know how to use that 090" your small saw I don't think it will last one day" or how many woods will cut" in one day"

[@MountainVoiceInc]

I mean I’m pretty confident using any chainsaw, but the 090 is a bit clunky for sure.

[@WilliamCrooks]

My hands ✋️ hurt from just watching 👀 😢, a guy's got to use his brain a little more. Believe me when I say you don't want to run any kind of chainsaw your whole life. They ruin your hands ✋️.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

It’s true, the vibrations from saws can cause carpel tunnel. Gloves, anti vibration, a looser grip these things help. I have been running saws most of my life, and the hands 🖐️ still work. Open to suggestions though if you have ideas on how to rip these logs in half faster, cheaper and easier.

[@julianlaustsen1991]

the 090 is pure crap when it comes to speed cuz it\s so low rpm.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Unless your cut is 5 feet wide.

[@julianlaustsen1991]

@@MountainVoiceInc it doesn't matter, an 880 is still better.

[@MountainVoiceInc]

@@julianlaustsen1991 unless your cut is 7 feet wide...

[@roastntoast7550]

None of this saws are North American!

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Ya I was going to drop some text in to clarify it’s a German company, but I guess Stihls main market is the US

[@roastntoast7550]

@@MountainVoiceInc you are right. US and South America. Good video thanks for sharing! 👍

[@goinwheelin]

090 the clear winner. Put that bar on the 500 and see what happens

[@MountainVoiceInc]

Ha true that’s a long bar.

[@florpdorp7190]

Don't know if it can handel that big of a bar the 500 is only 80ccs and the 090 is 120 and a chainsaw is only rated to have a certen size bar on it bc that's its limit on how mutch chain it can pull through the wood but that's not to say that the bar wouldn't fit😁😁