Stirring up a 'religious freedom' culture war | Media Watch

[@TBHNotGonnaLie]

Sky News is Australia's version of America's Fox News.

[@hillvalley6716]

Same company. Murdoch media.

[@lordcaptain73]

They wish, they’re a OAN knock off sold in Red Dot.

[@sheavague7058]

And the right wing version of The Project.

[@NH-qs1or]

Yes bro that is literally its purpose

[@stuarthaigh6051]

Thank goodness it is. ABC is becoming increasingly the ‘CNN of Australia’ except funded by Australian taxpayers spanning a population with 40%+ Christians. I am personally agnostic but respect people who have found or follow religion for purpose and a positive influence. While I personally don’t agree with the views of Thorburn’s church on gays and abortion, I RESPECT and TOLERATE other people’s opinions. Compassion is not words, it is actions and behaviours. Jacinta Price’s first speech to the parliament inspires this message and unites Australians. This is a far cry from whiney lefties and defensive right wingers. Jacinta is one of the few parliamentarians with a holistic and truly considerate view. All power to her. Shame the ABC lacks maturity and has drifted left to appease the virtue signalling narrative that continues to fragment and set-back this mighty country.

[@williamhornabrook8081]

It annoys me when presenters on Sky News Australia lambast 'the media' and the 'mainstream media' as if they are not part of those things.

[@betula2137]

Yep

[@educatingfool216]

Once again, great journalistic show, well done media watch

[@jillstevenson9585]

At least you chose the right name for yourself.

[@eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807]

Thumbs up, ABC, for having a comment section.

[@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax]

Yeah, especially with MEDIA WATCH. I really enjoy it and like to express it 😊

[@dave.p153]

You wait till there's a story about Central Australia it'll be turned off straight away

[@eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807]

@@dave.p153, it seems like the comment sections, of many ABC you tube videos, are not available.

[@YogonKalisto]

damn straight

[@YogonKalisto]

​@@dave.p153 always noted when silence is enforced

[@huepix]

Does it get any more right wing when opposing religious bigotry is described as bigotry. Be nice to see a news outlet that is truth driven rather than profit driven

[@sheavague7058]

Profit isn't alway financial. Not much of corporate media (including ABC) is actually making financial profit these days.

[@brothermaynard3200]

Yes, that would be nice. Pity their ABC is ideologically driven.

[@johney3734]

so broken.. right wing news papers get the church guy fired... then the same right wing news blames the left for it and double dips on rating outrage they stoke

[@deldridg]

To me this isn't about bigotry or anything you can cast as such and to say so is missing the real point. No two people share the same ideals or philosophies in totality. So who gets to determine what is acceptable and what is not? How about differing views on climate change, on wealth distribution, on pharmaceutical drug prescriptions, on the rights of various groups, abortion, gender quotas etc.? Controlling thought was what the Stasi was about, so people would utter one thing and think something else. We all know where that ended up. This "inclusive" organisation cannot tolerate people who don't approve of the homosexual lifestyle choice. So does this mean that now all Muslims and people of other faiths or who share this view can no longer work for an "inclusive" organisation? What's next to be audited? Another question - is disapproving of the homosexual lifestyle choice the same thing as homophobia? To me they are different. For example, my parents are believing Christians and don't agree with the homosexual choice, but they have spent a lifetime supporting needy people who are druggies, gays, trans etc. with selfless love and no judgement. So to me they are different things. While some are very judgemental, many more simultaneously disapprove of the act of homosexuality but have unconditional love and support for homosexuals. Easy to bash Christians at every opportunity, but really this is about everyone's right to hold a view on anything and the extent to which that can be used against them. Bit scary IMHO. Cheers - Dave

[@deldridg]

...and don't be fooled, this organisation (the ABC) has a very Marxist agenda. Karl Marx's utopian dreams played into the hands of tyrants and led to the deaths of many millions of people. His ideology is not for my children please.

[@andrewthomas695]

news flash. Sky News is a grubby self-serving media outlet. Yeah. We know.

[@davidcarter4247]

News flash. So is the ABC which runs as a taxpayer funded club for an elite. No media outlet in Australia has less diversity of views than the ABC yet it is the only one required by law to balanced. More than commercial media, the ABC places its interests above that of the nation. It campaigns for Labor not on any ideological belief but because Labor will indulge it with bigger and bigger budgets that can be spent on them. Higher pay, more luxurious offices, more jet-setting, more personal vendettas against those who offend them. Christians in particular.

[@johndunn4182]

news flash. ABC grubby self-serving left wing rubbish outlet. Yeah. We know.

[@anguslakes2370]

At times . They were good in Victoria exposing Dan Andrews for what he is though no other media outlet dared to.

[@davo-ju6er]

But less so than the ABC .

[@kirk5152]

As much as most of the country would love to see Sky News gone. Sometimes you just can't remove mould!!

[@JJWo]

This is quality journalism - I feel grateful for this show

[@Coolsomeone234]

Plus one

[@iThinkBiblically]

Seriously? The ABC is filled with left wing loonies!

[@seriousmonkey5654]

Surely you jest.

[@JJWo]

@@seriousmonkey5654 I wasn’t at that time …. But it it could probably be arranged …what’s the earn?

[@brunomckay1875]

​@@seriousmonkey5654 If he was jesting he would say: A horse walked into a bar and the bar tender said, "Why the long face?" In the meantime no one cares what you think.

[@goeegoanna]

How easily these people forget, that freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. They quickly forget that the 'nones' are now the largest religious group in the country. As always with Christians and conservatives alike wilful ignorance, cognitive dissonance and rank hypocrisy. Civilisation was built on well reasoned ideas, humanist ideals and constant evolution over thousands of years, not religion. How easily they forget democracy was invented through philosophy, not theology. It is built on our innate nature of egalitarianism, altruism, empathy and compassion, not the godly intervention of their household deities. One only needs to read the Bible to know it is not conducive to the betterment of society, other than those who control the power.

[@duncanwallace7760]

I like it when religious groups say whatever they want. Their intolerance puts young people off joining, resulting in a less religious society. An excellent trend in my opinion, and completely self-inflicted.

[@forallofme4441]

Yup it's good that the young idiots go off and get into their safe spaces. Then they can sit in the corner and cry about their imaginary problems until they come back to Christ.

[@coasterblocks3420]

A majority of Australians are now non-believers, going by the current rate of 2% per annum increase in “no religion”. Hooray! Australia is majority atheist (well, first-past-the-post majority anyway).

[@jillstevenson9585]

It's not intolerance..it's the Bible..Read it.

[@coasterblocks3420]

@@jillstevenson9585 it’s superstitious nonsense and when it comes to human sexuality, laughably ignorant. Would we allow Christian schools to teach the earth is only 10,000 years old or flat or at the centre of the universe as being fact? No? Then that same rule should apply to their bigoted homophobic teachings.

[@duncanwallace7760]

@@jillstevenson9585 "Love they neighbor", "do not judge others", "Do unto others as you would have done to you".... I think you should probably read the bible.

[@joshg4208]

It doesn’t take much to offend the clowns at Skynews

[@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax]

They remind me of the clowns on FOX in the US. I wonder if this is purposely done?

[@aughalough1]

Fox, has lost the conspiratorial loons that they have themselves bred, now it’s sky’s turn !!

[@nhodgie]

​@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax they're literally the same media conglomorate.

[@lindacedonulli5197]

The thing that offended them most was the Labor victory. 😂

[@SaintKimbo]

You're joking aren't you? The opposing side to Sky are the ones that pressured a Guy to quit his job, because they were offended by his, alleged, anti homosexual views. You people have cornered the market of being offended, sorry I don't know your pronouns, no offence, lol.

[@TheTemplar333]

For a side of politics that seems to think that the left are all "snowflakes", conservatives get offended SO easily.

[@SaintKimbo]

Are you serious? It was the 'Snowflakes' that forced a Guy to resign from his job, because they were so offended by his alleged views. Normal people are not 'offended' they're angry, big difference.

[@lordcaptain73]

Their salty tears feed my socialist, left leaning hatred of everything conservative and christian.

[@davidharvey8179]

@@phillipaclemons7261 but an AFLW player who refuses to wear the 'pride' jumper is stunning, strong, brave, standing up for her religion and culture. Yep, I can't see any hypocrisy going on here.

[@kane4013]

@@davidharvey8179 Are you sure about that? I thought the players who refused to wear the ‘pride’ jumper got slammed for it?

[@matta6088]

@@davidharvey8179 nah that player sucks too 🙂

[@Tupunaforever]

You poor thing

[@channelname1019]

@@Tupunaforever Keep crying, it keep us *wet*

[@capitalknockers666]

I'm sure the irony of convicted racist Andrew Bolt crying about bigotry is lost on no one here.

[@shaneharrisnj3484]

Sky should know, that the California crash has a Chevrolet S10 pickup in the driveway in the camera's view, a truck that's not available or made for Australia.

[@craigprocter1232]

Murdoch news not fact checking their stories? So unsurprising.

[@uberdice]

You're of course implying that the hyenas who work for Sky would stoop so low as to actually fact check.

[@chulkcha]

It's a representation of the quality of journalism from skynews. Rubbish in rubbish out, right? Like my pun?

[@TheAbrantino]

Love your show, thanks for posting it on KZbin so that this Portuguese dude can see it !

[@TheAbrantino]

@@deecee5922 no im rich

[@Zei33]

I’m always happy to see religion shunned. That guy was so wrong. What’s brought all of the good things to the Western world was secularism and the rationalist movement. Religion has only slowed us down.

[@debbieanne7962]

I've seen it quoted that religion has put science back 1000 years. Look at the dark ages, burning of books and heresy laws!

[@Zei33]

@@topologyrob I think I made it pretty clear. Religion is an archaic tradition that the modern world simply doesn’t need. We need less people with blind faith and more critical thinkers to spearhead humanity’s future. The world needs more science and rationalism and less senseless belief. The cure for cancer isn’t going to be coming from a priest, I can assure you of that.

[@billmago7991]

He lost his job at the NAB too for fees for no services....such a nice Christian.... seriously Bombers wtf were you thinking?

[@deldridg]

Really Bill? Is life that simple for you? Andrew Thorburn presided over a period of bad policy that did hurt many while at NAB, sure, but things are often far more complex than they appear. To assign him the direct blame and denigrate his Christianity on a basis that you don't fully understand is not very nice behaviour in anyone's language.

[@deldridg]

@Proper Clearly as CEO he has to take responsibility, but also as CEO, he's not across the detail of every part of the machine. Many individuals within the org structure were involved in the establishment of the systems and procedures that led to overcharging and there would probably be no individual who was across the lot. I'm not sure that there was a clearly articulated policy of overcharging from the top. A CEO has a lot on his/her plate (I've had a bit to do with a number of them over the years) and it is not uncommon for significant matters to be obfuscated from the upper echelons, sometimes for signifiant periods. However, as said, the buck certainly has to stop somewhere and for something of this scale, that was clearly with the big Kahuna. (A poorly described layman's view, taken from my own personal experiences within large orgs, including banks). Back to my original point - I think it's a bit rich to call his "Christianity" into question based on the above, though it could certainly appear a bit shaky to someone wanting to be judmental about it with limited analysis. Cheers - Dave 🙂

[@rickyelvis3215]

@@deldridg one steals your money… the other steals your soul

[@billmago7991]

@@deldridg CEO is responsible for the work environment and to maintain the culture of the company among other duties,so a bit of Christian honesty and integrity was lacking. As far as being the CEO of both a church that demonised some of our community and a CEO of a sporting club that embraces tolerance and inclusion the two jobs were on a collision course kinda like can't be the CEO of a Mosque and a church at the same time,could be a bit awkward at times🤔😇

[@deldridg]

@@rickyelvis3215 Mate, I wish I had such an uncomplicated view of the world. Neither of your statements make any sense to me but that's cool. 🙂

[@kidmohair8151]

it's a bit rich hearing Bolt ask if someone is "bigoted".. all he needed to do to find out was look in the mirror

[@davidhoward4715]

Cue the comments from Christians rejecting the teachings of Jesus Christ about love, compassion and turning the other cheek. If Hell exists, it's full of self-proclaimed Christians.

[@duncanwallace7760]

That's my definition of hell!

[@hapt122]

Chris Kenny - “Christianity gave us all the benefits, all the ideas, all the prosperity of Western Civilisation”. Hmmm, remember all the scientists like Galileo who were persecuted by the church for trying to promote science Chris?

[@matta6088]

Yeah I thought the same. Christianity STOOD AGAINST the things that made society stronger!

[@damienroberts934]

Anyone else? Galileo was a devoted Catholic BTW.

[@blueknight07]

You think Chris Kenny believes in science? He probably thinks the earth is flat

[@gingertom56]

The burni g of the herbal medicine women who were burnt as wicks.

[@toe395]

Can't teach common sense to a potato 🥔

[@redlightmax]

0:36 Andrew Bolt: "Are these guys as stupid as they are bigoted?" But enough about Sky News hosts. Heyo!

[@toe395]

Just another sky daddy fan...ho hum.

[@moff8631]

Media watch is a great program. One of the few

[@SaintKimbo]

It's left wing propaganda, but I guess that's what you want.

[@NateStona]

Its a shame that right wingers dont watch media watch. Media watch (while definitely left leaning) seems to be one of the few media shows that actually explains stuff 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Hadrianus01]

Is this sarcasm?

[@deldridg]

Bit of a big statement that one.

[@doedoe9307]

@@Hadrianus01 nah i agree with nate, seems youre the only one with your pants down

[@blueknight07]

It's not necessarily left wing. They just keep covering the murdoch media because it always acts unethical. If the guardian acted up, media watch would probably give them a hard time too.

[@jheden9386]

what a broad generalisation that one is. 'right wingers don't watch media watch'... so it's only left wing people here? highly doubt that

[@GregoreLopez]

Well done Media Watch.

[@creeib]

Christian values? Really? Tell me about values.

[@davidharvey8179]

Show me a football club of any type who actually has values other than making money.

[@adamlouis3725]

@@davidharvey8179 essendon fc, they just sacked a guy for being a bigot. any other dumb questions?

[@blueknight07]

Real Christians advocate tolerance. They also don't get involved with a ladies health or what two consenting adults do in the bedroom

[@richardfinlayson1524]

You can always trust the Herald Sun to miss the point

[@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax]

That's a terrible rag. Haven't bought it or read it for years.

[@blueknight07]

@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax I bought it when all the bog roll sold out.

[@rickyelvis3215]

@@blueknight07 flogged mine from the library

[@lindacedonulli5197]

@@rickyelvis3215 Smart move. I only read Merdedoc papers in cafes, so no payment to them.

[@Richard-sy1ej]

@@blueknight07 One wipe and the quality of the content improves dramatically!

[@infernalstan886]

Why was the last media bites video cropped so badly?

[@toogaytofunction3029]

Vertical 🤮

[@thomasparker9531]

Agree the media bites cropped to vertical was terrible, release vertical videos as shorts instead??

[@AussieNaturalist]

Oh the irony, some of the most powerful, rich and privileged people on the planet (Christians) once again claiming "persecution".... (facepalm) Their level of projection and dishonesty is truly astounding, no low is low enough for those types of people!

[@bellabana]

Andrew Thorburn had a conflict of interest, you can’t be the Chair of ‘The church on the hill’ which holds such bigoted views against the LBGT community and who likens a woman’s right to chose as a sin yet also be the CEO of the EFC which promotes inclusivity and diversity. The EFC didn’t do their due diligence in regards to Thorburn, it’s that simple. The latest census shows there’s now more Atheists 39% than Catholics 20% and Anglicans 9% in Australia. By the next census that will only increase further, so the religious will no longer be able to claim that Australia is a ‘Christian country’ anymore! It’s time for religious churches and schools to lose their tax exemptions and start paying taxes like everyone else! Religious rightwing conservatives heads will explode…

[@htopherollem649]

in regards to the last line of your comment... if only we could be that lucky! lol

[@blueknight07]

The church is bigoted. It's not a religious institution, it's a fraud

[@SaintKimbo]

You are confusing yourself here, you claim that Thorburn's Church holds such bigoted views, but how can that bigotry be harmful if it's not true? Their stated punishment for homosexuality is to be sent to hell, but, according to the Atheist view, there is no hell. So, unless they do something that manifests itself physically to homosexuals, they are essentially harmless, from YOUR perspective. No Homosexual is going to hell, so what is your problem?

[@tk5813]

@@arthurross8553 There's obviously a difference between being a member of a church and being in a senior, publically facing leadership role within it. If you're the leader of a vocal atheist group and in a public facing leadership position at a religious school (and are also responsible for how religious education would be provided) I think that would absolutely raise some questions

[@arthurross8553]

@@tk5813 Let me paraphrase your comment to make sure I'm clear on what you're saying. The reason he couldn't be in that role had nothing to do with whether he could do the role (as a Christian) but because it would look bad for the club if he was a leader at both the club and the church? Is that correct?

[@t_z1030]

Sounds like they're gearing up for the usual season of feeding the Christian persecution fetish. Place your bets everyone, how many times are we going to hear the phrase "war on Christmas" from Sky commentators and their ilk this year?

[@davidharvey8179]

Muslim AFLW player refuses to wear 'pride' jersey - 'strong', 'brave', 'standing up for her culture and religion'. Christian male gets made head of an AFL club - sacked because of something a pastor (not the guy being sacked) said 15 years ago. "Great', ''bigot', 'about time', 'religious nutjobs' and so on Nope, no hypocrisy to see here, move along.....

[@brothermaynard3200]

How much longer must we endure the ideologically driven bigotry of their ABC?

[@blueknight07]

I hope they know that religious freedom also includes Muslims

[@brothermaynard3200]

@Proper Well, why are the same prohibitions and sanctions not applied to Muslim players? That is the point. There is one standard for some and another standard for the politically acceptable. Surely, Your ABC is not that stupid that it can see no contradiction? So, they're either stupid or bigoted. What about you?

[@SaintKimbo]

A Guy was forced to resign because of his Religious beliefs, it's not a 'fetish' it's a fact. Useful Idiots, like you, just cannot see the forest for the trees.

[@creeib]

When did Andrew Bolt last go to church?

[@johndunn4182]

When did you go to a meeting of left wing lunatics?

[@coasterblocks3420]

@Guang Jong "Kenneth" Mahjong Oath II lack of bias? He’s a far right MAGA peddler of conspiracy theories.

[@sheavague7058]

Church is obsolete. Sky News and Media Watch have replaced them for moral guidance.

[@blueknight07]

Probably 1899.

[@stillfierce1]

last time he got online to check his bank account,he worships $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[@JohnPatersonAu]

What has diversity got to do with footy anyway? Also, doesn't diversity mean including everyone? Even Christians?

[@peterhird3542]

Fox News and Sky, both absolutely pathetic 👎.

[@SaintKimbo]

Or so your Puppet Masters told you...

[@coasterblocks3420]

As a gay man, it’s always gratifying when a god-botherer gets a taste of their own medicine.

[@davidgray8654]

Intolerance, hatred and bigitory is just wrong, from the Premier of Vic. Really? so we cannot have a point of view and express this in a Nation that embraces free speech. Whether you like to acknowledge this or not, this 'religious' view and the many other beliefs associated with this faith was the cornerstone of western civilisation, one of the building blocks of 'civilised' cultures. If I, or anyone else doesn't believe or support homosexuality then I and they, have a right to express that view. Being the CEO of an organisation is another matter entirely. Wake up Australia and understand why this country is the country it has become, it is because of its foundation.

[@annepascoe3029]

This isn't going to wash in Australia, ridiculous,I don't know any one who's religious

[@gerardyoutube3826]

Typical of Sky News.

[@MsRubyet]

Why the hell didn’t Essendon vet this guy before appointing him CEO? You’d think in today’s climate every business (especially one in entertainment) would be looking pretty thoroughly into any potential senior staffers’ background and commitments. This should never have happened.

[@arthurross8553]

"This guy", was the CEO of NAB while they championed and sponsored the inaugural "Pride Match" during the NAB cup. Due diligence would suggest he's a perfect fit for the Essendon club. Unfortunately, after that due diligence, somebody discovered a link to a church they dislike and fueled a 'witch hunt'.

[@SaintKimbo]

The Guy is a Christian, what are you suggesting here ??? How would your proposed vetting process work?? Hey, why don't you just paint an 'X' on the backs of anyone who doesn't share your world view, Adolph.

[@clevelandwilliams5922]

These people like the former CEO are hypocrites because, they want to be self righteous but not prepared to back it up with persecution.

[@matthewhurst6099]

Mr Bolt is a biggoted tool. Who knew lmao.

[@davidharvey8179]

Unlike the media watch tool who lies, edits things to fit his narrative and so on.

[@blueknight07]

He used to be alright but then he lost his mind

[@kirk5152]

Ummmmm most of the county 😂

[@SaintKimbo]

Always with the childish insults, never any actual critique..

[@intrusivethought]

And the saddest thing is that getting rid of that guy will play directly into that narrative. Gaining social harmony by exclusion will never work, it will just get used by the usual suspects.

[@noelanderson8915]

you could be right, but it just HAD to be done.

[@jaclo3112]

You mean like how christians exclude those they hate? I guess we're fortunate they aren't slaughtering, genociding and enslaving as was their traditional biblcial family values for the majority of the last 2000 years.

[@grahamhowe9277]

Right wing idiots

[@ThexBorg]

The Bible is so wholesome isn't it...? Here's one of many... Genesis 19:30-36

[@AZ2PM]

You're acting surprised. No one says the Bible is wholesome - its over 65 books spanning multiple millennia, with an overarching theme of redemption. You're someone who seems to not know it at all and instead have googled 'whats the worst verses in the bible' for shits n giggles. Putting up a few lines from literally hundreds of thousands of lines is like playing one note in a 24 hour long song.

[@ThexBorg]

@@AZ2PM Did you write that sermon response or did your pastor. Stop preaching ignorance and making excuses for its lurid content mate.

[@channelname1019]

@@AZ2PM Just going by your description alone, I'd say that that certainly sounds like a great source to base my entire code of morals, hell, my entire existence on.

[@SaintKimbo]

@@ThexBorg You just won't tolerate 'wrong think' will you?

[@righteousbyfaithinChrist]

The Bible declares abortion as human sacrifice, and homosexuality as an abomination. The Bible is instructions to Gods people...not those who are not.

[@seanmcdonald5859]

"Wahhh wahhh i wanna be a bigot and use my bible as a shield wahhh wahhhh i wanna be special". All Thorburn had to do was say "I dont support those views expressed" and because he didnt, he got free consequences for his actions. Its called Accountability.

[@watchandyearn1186]

Do a story on the Suburban Rail Loop! It’s being pretty poorly reported in by the media, taking Liberal PBO costings as gospel.

[@teinspringz]

Stopped watching Sky News 15 years ago, I suggest everyone else do so too.😆

[@markeggins890]

What would Media Watch talk about then?

[@OhJeebers]

I can’t believe people still believe in a god…

[@Tupunaforever]

You been to a funeral lately love

[@topologyrob]

You should get out more and use your mind more.

[@teatree80]

Anglican churches don’t do teaching. It was an opinion, not necessarily Thorburn’s.

[@billybeads3328]

If his church holds those bigoted views then good riddance to Thorburn

[@jamiebrotherston2241]

The problem Chris Kenny has is there's only 8 people watching him.

[@henryjames5663]

Chris Kenny started his career at the ABC Adelaide, as a reporter on the Adelaide 7.30 report. It would appear poor Chris has since lost his way !!

[@jamiebrotherston2241]

@@henryjames5663 people say that's a problem most people when navigating Rupert's prostrate.

[@adamlouis3725]

religious people and falsely claiming to be persecuted. name a more iconic duo over the last 2000 years

[@garydargan6]

If Bolt wants to see bigotry he should look in a mirror.

[@JamesEtc3417]

Great reporting as always. Please change Media Bites back to widescreen…and allow comments.

[@docstevens007]

Why does a church need a CEO?

[@kirk5152]

Someone's got to be in charge of all the molestation!!

[@robinaboy]

Thorburn was head of the National Australia Bank that urged the AFL to have the first gay pride round. I wouldn’t expect Media Watch to report that. Essendon should be ashamed of itself.

[@maricareizele]

Thorburn was head of the NAB who the Banking Royal Commission said took money from dead people's accounts.

[@roderick2105]

@@arthurross8553 Even if he brings his faith to work - which he most probably does - his Christian values do not negatively affect his ability to do his job professionally and ethically - they have no tangible bearing on his job performance. If they did, millions of practicing Christians would be disqualified from holding jobs in the Australian work force. Or is this the new norm where Christians are to be ostracized and treated as outcasts in Australian society ? Only a few short years ago, Australians were asked to vote on Gay marriage, with the promise that such legislation would have no impact on religious freedoms. What a load of codswallop that promise turned out to be !!

[@roderick2105]

@Herkimer Snerd He was a banker; what else would you have expected from such a banking profession !!

[@arthurross8553]

@@roderick2105 I actually agree (almost) wholeheartedly with you. I DO expect him to bring his faith to work, and I DO expect it to have an impact on the way goes about his job professionally. I assume you will know what I mean when I reference the 'fruits of the Spirit'. These will all bring about a positive impact on his workplace. Unfortunately, and this recent saga was a classic example, 'the church' is presented to the public by people who are, at best, non-Christian but more often than not anti-Christian. And yes, I'm am in wholehearted agreement with your last point.

[@Jimblefy]

and a small note on your channels graphic style guide. A random super falling from the top right where the text is rotated at a strange angle for some reason is actually a distraction. It stops me listening to your narrative and makes me think is that the best you could do.

[@Ninjaguiden89]

As a non-Australian this is both interesting and also pretty entertaining in it's sarcastic wit haha

[@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax]

LOL..True the whole program is sarcastic wit and not just from the host.

[@kirk5152]

The best thing about this show is it will even criticise and retract false reporting from it's own channel it's broadcasted on, if and when has to. Solid honest media reporting. Not much of it left these days.

[@goosie8207]

Australians should be very proud of Essendon, the AFL and the vic state government for stating that the bigotry of that horrible organisation, that uses religion as an excuse to be horrible ignorant people, is not acceptable in footy and should not be acceptable in sport and society as a whole. It’s a shame the ARU and NRL can’t do the same thing. The best outcome who be for the bigot to not get paid out after quitting and hopefully doesn’t get a leadership position anywhere until he evaluates he beliefs and leaves that cult and the frauds that run it behind.

[@brezza6892]

Paul Barry is so cute, wish he would voice Mario.

[@alanfurlong-drummer4419]

Great reporting and analysis.

[@internethardcase]

The AFL is about football. It doesn't have any values, it's just a corporation. The politicization of every institution is the problem here.

[@danwhythough]

Wont somebody please stand up for the literal creator of the universe. Do these actually believe what they’re saying? Why would an org owned and operated by god need media defence or peoples money for that matter?

[@FlattardiansSuck]

No magical skywizards exist.

[@adamlouis3725]

they believe it in an emotional way. if they are actually challenged rationally they are forced to admit that, no, they arent being persecuted. very few have the patience or intelligence to get that far tho

[@Jimblefy]

Thanks again though :) I always enjoy your content.

[@frankdunne2401]

Murdoch used to own skynews, now with herald sun he's had to shift to a soft left position at the end of the day its readership=money

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

Can we assume that all those complaining about "attacks on religious freedom" think that those involved in the death of Elizabeth Struhs have no case to answer because they were just exercising their religious freedom?

[@SaintKimbo]

As opposed to what?? Your 'feelings'?

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@SaintKimbo You tell me! As apposed to "what'?"

[@SaintKimbo]

@@holgerlubotzki3469 People exercising their 'religious freedom', as in your extreme example, are being guided by tenets and doctrines that are written by their respective Gods or, passed down through generations, transcribed by Messengers of their Gods, whatever. As barbaric as some of them obviously are, they are there in a tangible form. What is YOUR alternative?

[@billybeads3328]

Media Watch is really good as they even strongly criticise their own employer which very few if any other media does that

[@alfredopampanga9356]

What happened to the idea that we should support the expression of views that we disagree with?

[@davo-ju6er]

Footy clubs are the fastest way to get your kids into drugs & alcohol.

[@TheBlackguard]

Your kids are gonna need drugs and alcohol if that’s your outlook.

[@paddyholly2184]

And steroids. 🥺

[@bithiahamariah9139]

Diversity is okay, if it includes everyone and doesn't dictate who's views are unacceptable. When it starts to do that - it has failed to be diversity.

[@huwgrossmith9555]

We have religious freedom it's called section 116 of the constitution

[@BenState]

Should be illegal to be Christian. It's illegal to be crazy and take actions as such in many other areas.

[@dunoontab7859]

A bit less of the toxic Sky News propaganda, please. Unless you utterly condemn the nonsense of Bolt and Kenny and Co., you are really just giving their horrid views a megaphone. Nobody watches Sky News after dark.

[@asleepawake3645]

🤣🤣🤣 I love your news format, covering the deploravle "culture" war like a sports game

[@jemshadow123]

No surprise from Sky "News" its less a news organisation and more clickbait troll factory

[@BillSaltbush]

"A major story and a major injustice" . . . presented by a major dill.

[@wu-tangisimmortal5552]

Love how your latest media watch vid about impartiality has comments turned off. While I can understand the desire not to have hateful comments due to the subject matter of said post I can’t help but wonder if it’s also to stop viewers commenting on the shocking bias of a number of abc presenters such as Lisa Millar, Fran Kelly and others in favour of the LNP.

[@jchur7128]

Why am I unable to leave a comment on the latest episode today - 25 October? I will not watch uploads which deny the opportunity to respond.

[@johnsamson9680]

😅 Still entertaining religious nonsense in 2022? Ridiculous!

[@topologyrob]

What is really ridiculously ignorant is the philistine18th century fallacy that religion is nonsense - how embarrassing for you.

[@jillstevenson9585]

So its totally fine by you and others to offend the Religious..oh the hypocrisy 😀😁😂

[@ZootZinBootZ]

Please make an international version of Media Watch ABC. One that is geared towards KZbin terms and condition standards creators are held to for making content - but instead exploit true crime viewers and victims and accused & children of crime in exaggerating ways , becoming victims become monopolies & defamed , salacious innuendo or false allegations that call for mature professional journalist masters that really could enhance and improve the expansion on this platform... Pretty Pretty Please... It would be such a source of pride and trusted services like this are our real life show just like the identity nationally recognised from innovative programs like Beyond 2000 that stirred a kind of inspiration for technology & inventing that is so easy to overshadow through repetition... Creating a media watch approved supercharat should be going towards a youth scholarship for young journalism students..

[@netwolfstar]

Is it not discrimination to dismiss someone for there religious beliefs. If we chose to live in a secular society then surely we understand it’s fine to hold a religious view while working alongside those who hold or follow other values. Diversity does not mean that I must change my belief to work with others, it means I accept working with people with all backgrounds in a professional way even if I disagree with them. .. as a professional when dealing with others we don’t let there personal beliefs enter into the professional dialogue and discourse. Media watch I have always respected your analysis but I think in this you have missed the boat.

[@doedoe9307]

I think one of the main reasons is the fact that he never denounced the views. Distancing yourself from their views is one thing, but denouncing them shows that he is prepared to publicly call out parts of his church that he doesn't agree with - and I don't think he was prepared to do that.

[@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax]

Missed the boat? Ahh, no. I don't see where that is AT ALL. It's all common sense which I know is difficult for some. When you infringe on my rights that's where your rights stop. Even more so when it's law, let alone just have respect and treating EVERYONE with dignity even if you disagree. People shouldn't have an opinion on things like LGBT if they're aren't gonna follow that course. They expect it from others yet are unwilling to give those others the same treatment. These people want their cake and eat it too. Like the Christian Taliban in the US right now. That is their playbook and as usual elements in Australia follow suit. Society in western nations especially was pretty smart (possibly just the one time only) to introduce secularism in politics because of these attitudes coming from people who still live in the distant past. These are the same people who call Muslims barbarians yet can't see their own hypocrisies'.

[@Jimblefy]

At least Stan is an Australian owned streaming service who's staff are paid by the number of subscribers they get. Cross promoting your own business to fund Australians creating Australian productions is ok I think. Don't forget, Facebook and Google have stolen a lot of Australian commercial dollars that now head right over seas. Those dollars used to employ Australia's creatives.

[@debhenry8159]

This man was standing by what is written in scripture therefore, it is indeed an attack on Christianity. He was standing against mans views and laws, not Gods. Thats an objective view. Whether we collectively agree with something or not does not invalidate it. It may make people angry, but thats something else.

[@craigprocter1232]

Ok (Miss American commentor, on Australian issues) - so we adhere to Christian teachings as it is God's law. But then we must also look at Shariah Law and adhere to the Prophet Muhammad's teaching (as he was a direct prophet of Allah). Next we must adhere to the writings in the Tanakh as they are the laws of Yahweh. I've forgotten many other faiths (my apologies) but do you see the point yet? People can believe in and follow their religious laws, but they also must follow the laws of man if they want to fit into a mixed society. This is the whole point of tolerance to EVERYONE, but being intolerant to any form of intolerance (whether religious bigotry, racial bigotry, gender bigotry etc.)

[@capitalknockers666]

If you support bigotry the reason why is unimportant, you're a bigot. There's literally hundreds of gods to choose from, pick one that isn't a bigot.

[@javm2825]

You mean a 1946 update to a to a 1611 translation, of one and a half thousand years of assorted documents with many contradictions, that was basically a fan fiction addendum to a 3000 year old document that had been handed down via word of mouth… But you say it is the laws of God… OK So let us look at some of those laws. As stated by this gods foremost Prophet Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. So the Words of Moses as written in the Bible Advocates Genocide and the Sexual Slavery of minors… And this is the document you want to hold up as some Moral compass?

[@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax]

@Deb Henry...keep your Yank mistakes to yourself lol

[@channelname1019]

By your interpretation, perhaps... But you are but one man, Deb.

[@bithiahamariah9139]

What of someone from the Muslim faith who wants to run a club with diversity?? Acceptable or not?

[@tlb2970]

Will not support any woke club ever. Dan Andrews is the last person to talk about hatred, he’s the worst.

[@grantpaterson1016]

It always makes me laugh when Ghandi is trolled out like a catchall... Ghandi was a very racist man when he lived in South Africa as a lawyer. He had complete disdain for Africans. Now there are those who say 'he had too say those things to work in SA' yet he was one of THOUSANDS that didn't say those things....

[@Tyronepeader]

If you had been less consumed by bitter contempt you may have noticed that his name is spelt as 'Gandhi'.

[@grantpaterson1016]

@@Tyronepeader I dont like racist and liars...the fact you do like them is your problem to deal with.

[@TankEnMate]

"E pur si muove", the lasting comment on the myth that Christianity has given us all the order and progress we enjoy.

[@jaclo3112]

The irony is christianity diametrically opposes any concept of democracy, social equality and many basic human rights we have today such as freedom of religion. Christianity has had to be dragged kicking and screaming into civility and got a much needed kick up the arse during the Enlightenment.

[@geoffhalpin5976]

Thorburn resigned. End of story.

[@jokeradviser5843]

The frigging world is a circus!

[@derekcamilleri8]

9 is pathetic

[@kane4013]

Integrity seems to be a rapidly decreasing commodity. Truth telling itself isn’t even the virtue it used to be, thanks to the state of world politics.

[@blueknight07]

You're very late. I've been saying this for years

[@nebula6084]

Gotta love sky news

[@aughalough1]

Fox, has lost the conspiratorial loons that they have themselves bred, now it’s sky’s turn !!

[@tonganqueenb5517]

He lost his job because he left the job. And so he should have.

[@Odlaw91]

The thing that Media Watch neglected to mention is that (the act of) homosexuality and abortion being sinful is not a fringe Christian belief - the vast majority of mainline denominations, including Catholicism and Anglicanism, among others, have those as official church doctrine. Indeed, so do many sects of Islam and other religious groups. If we follow this logic to its conclusion, that nobody of a religious faith that holds these tenets, regardless of their own personal conviction, can hold a prominent public position, that will be a sad day for Australia.

[@michaeljohn7398]

And therein lies the problem. The Radical Ratbag Religions are only too willing to preach Inclusion and Diversity , however when push comes to shove, they are nothing more than Hypocritical Feckless Fornicating Fools, force feeding their twisted version of faith down everybody's throat. Keep and Practice your religion within the Privacy of your own home. Nobody else wants it. Cheers from Michael. Australia.

[@coasterblocks3420]

Religion should not be given a free pass to peddle ignorant nonsense.

[@astev52]

Whether it's a "Christian" belief or not is completely beside the point. The fact that these are religious beliefs and that religions, no matter which one, want the right to discriminate against other people and tell those people what they should and should not do, because of those beliefs is the issue!

[@Hadrianus01]

You don't realise that Islam and other non-Christian religions are immune from the ABC's criticism. Everybody knows that!

[@phillipaclemons7261]

@Odlaw 91 Less than 50% of Australians have religious belief and far fewer than that attend religious services. The Essendon Football Club is a public organisation with its own values of tolerance and diversity. These do not fit with the hateful views expressed by this Church. This accords with religious schools right to not employ Gay teachers

[@lasentinal]

A bigot is defined as a person who does not tolerate people with opinions that are different from their own.

[@matta6088]

bigot /ˈbɪɡət/ noun a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. Sounds a little more like religious types like oldmate to me tbh. Of course, I'm just a bigot against them for being appalled at them hating gay people and other socially-backwards and harmful stances 🙄

[@channelname1019]

And a spigot is defined as a small peg or plug, especially for insertion into the vent of a cask.

[@MitchDonovan]

Murdoch just wants you engaged

[@creeib]

Does Kenny attend church?

[@roughhabit9085]

The way I understand the language, the AFL champions conformity and is intolerant towards diverse opinions.

[@raymarsh5455]

Every critique is informed by some kind of bias - and this "Media Watch" is no different. It is not the truth about anything. It is just another opinion...

[@Tyronepeader]

Do you conceed that anything of the same kind applies to your own comment?

[@raymarsh5455]

@@Tyronepeader Yes or course - the relativity of all opinions is implied in my comment. And yours.

[@markeggins890]

Exactly I do tire of their fixation with Sky News. A lot of silly things go on the Project but that never seems to be featured?

[@PushyPawn]

I 💖ABC

[@lachlank.8270]

Still shudder every time i hear 'Stan'. Worst name for anything ever. And how did Roxborough get involved with this trash? From such great heights 😥 no more Rake, no more Winton for you mate

[@creeib]

FFS 🤬