Advanced Game Analysis - GM Ben Finegold - 2014.01.29

Grandmaster Ben Finegold presents a lecture for advanced players at the Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Saint Louis.

[@DWeirich76]

Me vs. Ben Finegold: Ben lived in Michigan. I lived in Michigan (college in Flint) Ben lived in Belgium. I've been to Belgium. Ben is a grand master. I like pizza.

[@abdirahmandama2061]

lol

[@liver1865]

+The Business lol

[@Bigassboya]

The Business Ben also likes pizza

[@cartrinity]

The Business the sicilian is his favourite pizza

[@zogzog1063]

Nice. :-> (Ben might like pizza too?)

[@Spiritbro77]

I love GM Finegold's Lectures. He is highly entertaining.

[@fengardice]

34:51 "In 19... 87, I was playing in the New York Open against Jay Whitehead, rest in peace, and... (he was alive then, when he played me)"

[@danielmanahan692]

Great lecture as always. Can't fall asleep with Ben's commentary. Entertaining and informative. the best way to remember a lecture. now if I can just remember all this for my games.

[@hiddenlight5630]

Just wondering Are you alive?

[@thekkl]

He's so deadpan it took me a second to realize he was joking about Houdini suggesting resignation.

[@TheClassicWorld]

+Matthew Helm Yeah, I don't think it ever suggests resignation haha.

[@coreydallmeyer67]

Hilarious when he talks about resigning so much.

[@johnrubensaragi4125]

They don't suggest resignation, but they can show which side seriously messed it up. In computer chess competitions, chess engines "resigned" when their evaluation is below a certain point.

[@s.jackson4603]

ben finegold - finding things "uh terrible" since 1969

[@ansonzachariah680]

Even grandmasters miss king to b2.

[@matthewerickson2006]

how am I just finding this guy? I like chess again now. Suspicious!

[@xDMrGarrison]

rawr!

[@isithardtobevegan53]

Matthew Erickson very dubious

[@matijaslat2100]

very

[@samtesh2900]

Just finding this guy? Terrible

[@amoebawithlegs1032]

just imagine that Ben is perpetually eating pizza. while he talks, while he analyzes, while he moves the pieces on the analysis board, everything. Even when hes not eating pizza. everything he says will suddenly make so much more sense.

[@achintya4094]

First time I learned something looking at a fine gold lecture...

[@seanc457]

Paul Whitehead was actually my first chess teacher back in ~1999. Never thought I'd hear his name again!

[@Bodyfcn]

Finegold is GOLD, the best.

[@Athenian888]

Lovable,educational,tremendously humoristic. :)

[@liver1865]

+Athenian888 Good, yes. Correct, yes. :-)

[@MrSupernova111]

46:42. "What's the best defense for white?" "Kb2 [from h1]." "Yeah, I agree. That's probably the best defense." Hahaha

[@gishena]

But your rook is hanging!

[@coreydallmeyer67]

I've never even met this guy, but I love him

[@johannorman3067]

King to b2, lol. Thanks GM Finegold for another instructive and entertaining lecture and thanks to CCSC of Saint Louis as well.

[@seheyt]

Cracked me up. His response is so deadpan. 46:42 in case others want to find it

[@williamjohnson6588]

Holy shit! Iskandar went to my high school. I remember how he would win chess tournaments like the state chess tournament. Crazy to see him mentioned in a video series I watch so much.

[@dwx982]

Funny guy, I always find GM v's amateur games instructive. Thanks for the upload.

[@GuanTones]

i have to give credit to the kid who played the first game for holding out so long.

[@cmfox3]

Thank you Ben for your instructional masterpieces. I very much enjoy learning from you. Rarrr! :)

[@GrayzBDF]

Ben, you are GREAT at breaking things down . Thank you!

[@fadilhabibidanufane9593]

A draw by three repetitions of stalemate claim HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Genius!

[@xojeme]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@michaels4255]

"I don't have any good moves. Doesn't that make it a stalemate?"

[@geogeo3733]

19:46 Ben Finegold discovered the wooden shield before QVC, he just stole his idea. I guess that's why Ben hates him.

[@fisheatsyourhead]

lol qvc

[@sardinhunt]

"Ahhh... I didn't see king F2!" I lost it completely, I laughed for 10 minutes.

[@pgoedde]

more Ben pls !!!!

[@TexasSizzle]

You are hilarious and awesome Ben! Keep it up brother.

[@albertvaldez2669]

A half chess master and a half comedian. I like Ben!!

[@jamest4189]

He randomly mentions Andrew Tate's dad Emory 22:41

[@tellahsage6477]

Emory Tate's a pretty famous player, most in chess know him. Saw his name mentioned in several books too

[@12jswilson]

​@@tellahsage6477there's a funny game between Emory Tate and Ben where Ben crushes him with the black pieces in about 20 moves. I want to say it was in ~2004. But yeah Emory Tate is probably one of the most notable chess players to never become a grandmaster, at least in the US.

[@robappleby583]

One of Ben's best.

[@dmaster20ify]

Ben Finegold the boss!!! Been listening pure Ben Finegold since day.

[@misanthrop1958]

I adore you, Mr. Ben Finegold.

[@f.d.3289]

damn so happy to fnd more Ben Finegold lectures :) not quite as charming as him teaching a bunch of kids but just as entertaining and informative.

[@svenpoelmans3688]

He played a move I expected, I couldn't believe it, that's deep

[@abielfletcher7662]

Love this guy teachings and jokes😂😂

[@chessbrahh2068]

"Attack with all your pieces. And occasionally you should defend with some pieces too" -Ben Finegold

[@jaywolfenstien]

Wait a minute! *I* miscalculate everything! Hooray! I think like a Grandmaster!

[@sanjaywagh9943]

Bens lecture are toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good

[@Womanizer1122]

haha this guy is like a semi comedian

[@iDeathSparky]

It's so weird to hear "Let's call a random student" and not have it be followed up with "You!" or "Arjun!"

[@Parthasorenchess]

27:13 I have two bishops, two bishops and two bishops

[@augustgreig9420]

Okay, here is a perfect example of something I always wonder about.At 13:42, if the knight on f2 was somewhere else, say h3, would black come out better to play 1....Nxe4 2.Bxe4 Nxc4+ 3.Kc3 Nxa3. I know that white can play Rxc4, but not only does that look bad for white, it is besides my point. Are the 3 pawns worth the night? You leave white with anisolated d pawn, and black has 3 passed pawns.

[@leavethebasket7435]

ben has analyzed the first game before in the kids class.

[@paulomartins5071]

31:36 after Rb8 white to move Rxg4 if (gxf4 Nd7 Ra8 Nxf8 Kxf8 white slightly better) else (Rxb6 Rd4 white slightly better) though this line is tricky with time trouble because the game will require a lot of moves.

[@RodrigoHerrera111]

MORE BEN!!

[@MrGarugui]

Smart chess teacher. Thanks for sharing

[@MrSilencetreatment]

30:00 after Black playing Rb8, can white play Rxg4? if black plays hxg4 then Nd7 works as it is equal material and the a pawn woulod be hanging, so it works for white anyway. I am not sure because I haven't got a computer engine to analyse this. Any suggestions? I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance and thanks Ben , you are the best teacher ever.

[@nizziozaphaux4398]

thank you very much, great lecture!

[@dmaster20ify]

Draw by three fold stalemate claim!!!

[@12jswilson]

Finegold channeling his inner Kasparov at 11:05 with Bd8 as in Ivanchuk v Kasparov, Linares 1991.

[@baoboumusic]

Seirawan has also played this in several games and calls it the billiards shot if I remember correctly: bishop to the bottom cushion.

[@12jswilson]

​@@baoboumusic my joke was that Kasparov got crushed in that game with useless bishops, although the light square bishop was on e8, not c8. Probably the worst Kasparov has ever been beaten.

[@baoboumusic]

@@12jswilson I'd forgotten about that! Be8 was an admission of failure - must have been painful to play. I definitely do remember the tournament though. Chukkie's best result ever. Beat Kasparov, Karpov, Kamsky, Anand... It looked like the end of the Kasparov era and the start of a new era - it wasn't quite that but his achievement was one for the ages.

[@12jswilson]

@@baoboumusic playing Be8 and Bd8 is fine if you're just rerouting them a la Yasser. If they stay there and never move, I'm betting on the other guy. I don't care if you are arguably the greatest player to ever live.

[@camreese]

19:35 wow forking two pinned pieces thats actually a new one for me

[@gcgrabodan]

What is the story of Ken Wesley? 0:50

[@upplsuckimcool16]

29:43 anyone know why the knight is the only defense for A6? Ben says it's the only thing that defends A6.... what about rook A8 or Bishop E2? EDIT: ok maybe not rook to A8.... whoops ;D Also, bishop E2 would stop his rook to C4.... I must be missing something, there is no way that's too sneaky for ben to see, and I'm sure he's analyzed it with the computer.

[@stevenhang9990]

at 31:03, is it possible for white to go Rxg4 with a fork Nd7 in mind when hxg4?

[@morallygray6527]

@jmoneyy1984 Not if you played Rxg4 lol then there's no bishop defending d7

[@user-ts3ij7te6j]

He plays rxb6

[@TheBackyardProfessor]

You are awesome! Yes, it strokes your ego, but so what? You are awesome. I enjoyed this video very much, thanks man.

[@JohnnyBrutalUSA]

Aren't those half open files instead of open files? Great video. Ben Finegold is the best, but he has never beaten me.

[@TexasSizzle]

why because you haven't played him much?

[@liver1865]

mcpartridgeboy it's Carlson okay?

[@siavashs1925]

amazing simpson`s reference, I think that was from season 2. old quote! Lisa Simpson:" Well, a blockaded bishop is of little value, but I think you are referring to a pawn."

[@tothepoint4080]

best teacher

[@yahya89able]

8:38 I take ur rook making a queen lool haha

[@gxfr795]

‘Ah I missed Kf2’😂😂😂😂😂😂😭 like it was a refutation to the whole line

[@lesterlesoine9225]

Can you please provide the pgns for your avanced game analysis at the st. Louis chess club especially the game that appears the 10:34 ticker in the 50 minute video. It lcooks like an mirrored tit for tat stonwall defense. What is the opening called. Another chess player on KZbin from the midwest 3jbenett on lichess is alsoan otb chess player at his checlub & regional tournament play. He gives live commentary durig his matches about his moves as well as his opponents He can tell within a few moves that is sicilian dragon variation, which openigs start out as a queen gambit accepted orva queen gambit declined. In the live game he seems to know on thevfly. This opebing becoms transposed into another opening with movinh a certain piece or a combination of moves. He suggested that I get modern chess openings by waler korn. Modern chess openings a blue book. They have openingsvwith a table showing a myriad of subsequent moves. The last book i bought in this vein was fundamental chess openings. I have fritz 15 &16. Ibwould love an app that has the counter noves to;the sicilian, kings Indian etc

[@kunalmandalia1165]

Rotating GM! :D

[@Shylopaul]

Awesome.

[@Joseph-di7ih]

23:26 women ☕️☕️.....

[@sylver76]

31:00 sequence. Did Ben overlook the fork on D7? Or am I missing something?

[@kerseykerman7307]

Bishop would just take the knight on D7.

[@gnomemaster456]

at 31:30 why cant the knight go to D7 and attack both rooks?

[@VulpineShine]

bishop takes it

[@ronaldvl636]

VulpineShine I wonder if after ...Rb8 (attacking the white knight on b6) Rxb4 is good for White - if axb4 then the knight on b6 can jump to d7, forking the black rooks and if ...Rxb6 the white Rook can move back to d4 or c4.

[@toraczachara982]

9:57 Qxa2 is not that good move .... black could play Qa5 and force a trade of queens and win the pawn back later easily, or just Rxa2 Pxa2; Ka3 => Pawn can queen on a1, but is trapped and after 4 moves (Ke3, 0-0, Ke1, Kc2) the queen is forced to trade for a piece. Or there's something I don't see. I mean black can win the pawn on e4, but still, black loses a queen for a rook, a piece and a pawn.

[@L4rken]

This is very entertaining! And I also think I learned something :)

[@RossFigurepaintingCoUK]

Someone please put out of my misery as I cant find the mate 45 minutes in when g2 x f3. If white defends with his Q he seems to end up with a solid defence and a good queen sided attack supported by the knight. Ben says its mate and he is never wrong but I cant see it!! E.g. g2 x f3, Rg8; Qb4 Qg7; Qe1. Doesnt that stop the mate? Even if black gets a rook to g2 cant white just ignore it? White maybe needs the Q on d1 to cover the knight sacrifice and he can just sit it out while he pushes his Queen side pawns supported by the knight. All black's pieces are now tied up out of the game. What move have I missed for Black? I've been looking for ages and its driving me nuts. Loving your lectures Mr Finegold and you are slowly draggin me out of retirement. Thanks.

[@joeybtheman1906]

Love this guy!

[@sublimeade]

Why are comments open on Ben's game but closed off on that foxy GM"s game?

[@agnelaaron1728]

I’m sorry but what’s between KEN west and finegold? Any reason why he keeps picking on him?

[@omgpuppet]

This man is the Rodney Dangerfield of Chess

[@nikhilmalik62]

what is the name of the song in the intro?

[@jasonofathens2254]

23:23 "..women", i spilled my milk

[@D3ck3rCain]

How do you find gold? With Benjamin’s

[@orangebetsy]

What is the program being used here, where you can make proposed moves, see the resulting position, then return to the original position?

[@STLChessClub]

Orange Betsy ChessBase!

[@toelloev]

"Kb2 is probably the best move, yeah" hahah

[@liver1865]

toelloev Super funny. Garenteed to keep you awake and in your chair(not in bed!)

[@vasya5006]

31 he said its a the correct move but what if knight went to D7 forking both castles

[@draganaivankovic345]

Can you do a video about austrian defense please?

[@SampleMehard]

At 31.11 what's wrong the bishop e2? That's the move I blurted out when he ask. Some.one correct me and show me why plz

[@j.prt.979]

Jeff Stelling No, that’s not the problem. The real reason why Be2 doesn’t work is because of Nd7 forking both Black rooks now that d7 is crucially undefended by the Bishop. It actually took me a moment to find that too because I knew that if Rd2 in response to Be2, then black would just move the bishop to b5 (which led to me finding Nd7 responding to Bb5 which led to me seeing that the Knight could go to d7 immediately instead of the useless in-between move Rd2). It’s a little sad too, because Be2 just looks so cool to play as it stops both Rc4 and Rook A takes a6 with a very invasive looking minor piece move. :p

[@zainquadri1206]

@35:00 "He was alive then, when he played me..." I think I was alive before 35:00, I died laughing... RIP...

[@daleking8654]

f**k kb2 is such a good move... (cracks me up haha)

[@ill-fire85]

queen h4 is a good move because after rook to g2 queen can sack on h2 when rook takes back its mate on g1 with the rook

[@raymondchou9550]

"What's my favorite Sicilian?" Me: "The Paulsen attack? The Scheveningen?" "Pizza, come on" OH MY GOD BEN I HATE YOU LMAO

[@MrSabachtani]

Wait... There is a Simpsons Episode about chess and I haven't seen it? What's the name of the episode?

[@Majora1988]

It's the season 2 episode "Dead Putting Society" Its just a line in the episode, its about Homer and Flanders getting competitive over a mini golf tourney.

[@TheMrKlowb]

Josephus Mutzenbacher Bart: Hey, Lis, what do you call those guys in chess that don't matter?Lisa: Well, a blockaded bishop is of little value, but I think you're referring to a pawn.Bart: Right, I am a pawn.Lisa: I know. It's times like this I'm thankful that Dad has little to no interest in almost everything I do.

[@tomzhangg]

20:05 I think that’s called the dirty doubling doodler

[@aaronhowe3725]

"Women." Lol. Great instructive video trumped by comedic wit!

[@mangeshmodak]

at 43.57 instead of doubling rooks what if whit plays 1)N*e5 Q*e5, 2Nd7 .....forking rook and queen and then taking rook on f8

[@maxpower9175]

This dude is hilarious!

[@liver1865]

At 46:30, why not Rf1?

[@Bradley_UA]

Because queen g2 is also mate..

[@lbright4568]

Because after Qg2, checkmate gives black the advantage

[@robertomariani626]

@@lbright4568 Yes, guess you're not gonna come back after being checkmated! King b2 in the video really funny btw.

[@sheikmanzoor5003]

In parallel universe Ken East is a super GM

[@dylan2009ist]

Ben is great :)

[@ill-fire85]

what about defending the a pawn with bishop e2

[@tutucox]

best gm

[@thankyouthankyou1172]

Ben is so funny, I love his tutorials

[@eduardoayala3204]

That's a beautiful position oh my god

[@gaming2top759]

Good sense of humor :D

[@upplsuckimcool16]

8:35 this is what I thought.....I said G5 too Dx I literally skipped an entire move in my head, I thought queen just takes.....

[@Manu-wb2uv]

You're very entertaining Ben, but that's really bad for me because instead of learning actual chess I watch you like a TV show not trying to learn but being here only for your the jokes and the show from the table without trying to analyse by myself the infrastructure behind every move, decision.

[@Jan123.]

Nice!

[@jimwesbrooks4744]

Gee .....where were you Ben..when I was 18?........Oh....yeah....you were not born yet!!.....Thanks for you teaching!