Stock Stihl 500i vs FIRST Look at the FRANKEN500i.

[@hotsaws101]

Hello. Initial saw-off test session. I scrutinized the video and posted the timed runs in the description section. There are other points of interest in there too. World's First Franken500i? Really,,, how would a guy ever know... Thanks for watching.

[@justinweaver8787]

I love it

[@joshmullinnex5113]

I wish I could have ran the Franken saw for fun. The final product is a strong saw for sure. Jack has built me a 461, 462, and a 500i. They are impressive. I appreciate the quality work!

[@hotsaws101]

Josh - you "wooda" wanted it at any risk, lol. Thanks for watching.

[@fuddrucker74]

Jack. as always, thank you for the content, the explanations during your vid, and synopsis in the video description. The way you elucidate "wotks" for guys with lots of experience and understanding and also for folks who are just starting to "get it". The fact you always give thanks to Him, is fantastic. Thank you again, Sir.

[@robertodebeers2551]

If I was 10 years younger, I'd buy a 500i. As is, my two old 044s do me just fine. Hope you keep the videos coming.

[@stevet8121]

engineer it, draft it, build it, test it, break it. That's how the world advances. Keep going, Jack!

[@SMJ95]

Awesome - a taste test comparison. Cheers- buddy!

[@woos31]

Action J with the tach-nology assist, thanks young man!

[@jackelracer593]

Long time fan will be sending my 500i to franken built

[@joshdurrant9247]

That's some great stuff, love your comparisons! Keep up the awesome work 👍👍💪💪😎🇺🇸!

[@bob_frazier]

Thanks Jack, and you didn't use a whole tank of fuel.

[@EcSsAwS]

I leave my chain in the middle of snugness. If I can count 5 drivers when pulling chain down...it's good

[@jamesmull2832]

I suggest using a 25 in bar that 36 is just to much extra drag for the test and also some healthy red oak white oak or something. Other then that fine test my opinion I can cut a 40in tree down with a 25in bar no problem

[@steverobbins8661]

Hey jack call it the psycho 500 f Looking forward to my 461coming home Keep it up

[@TimberTramp]

I was able to stuff a hole shot cage and filter in And retain the stock cover....in case you care ;)

[@hotsaws101]

Timber Tramp hi. Mr. Mullinex did that to his saw sometime before the "Franken500i" donor came in initially. It arrived in October if memory serves. I went a different route. We will be seeing that concoction "oncest" the sequence gets past the Phase 1 of the Franken500i testing. Thanks for watching.

[@justinweaver8787]

Looks like progress on making a hot 500i I like it sir.

[@longlowdog]

As I don't know what prep' you do behind the scenes please take my question at face value and not as criticism, our owner manuals state the saw learns the cutting conditions daily and whilst in use and that 5 similar cuts are required for the saw to assimilate work and environmental conditions such as air pressure, altitude, temperature etc in order to modify the fueling instructions to suit the current demands. So question finally, do you find that the saws learn to an appreciable degree and do you account for this when testing and comparing or do you take each saw at face value on the day? Regards from Scotland. Useless fact, the tallest tree here is 66m tall and is a Dougie fir.

[@bob_frazier]

Great comment! And I wonder if you might have some redwoods headed for that height.

[@longlowdog]

@@bob_frazier In Scotland our second largest tree is a Sitka spruce followed by a Grand Fir a giant sequoia and a western hemlock. Coincidentally both the Dougie and the Grand are found growing near the bottom of a sharp sided gully on the same property with a strong coastal influence mellowing the weather somewhat.

[@hotsaws101]

longlowdog hi. I tried the factory reset on the Franken500i to no avail. Several times as well. Seems as though the reset can only happen after the saw has been hooked up to the laptop, "cleared", and then run through the protocol. This comes after talking to one of my long time Stihl mechanic friends. I took Dave's saw to the NorCal coast back in June. The same state of tune it is now. It was too early for any of the reset info to be available locally, regionally, nationally, etc. I never noticed where it changed after any amount of use and it was a faller's day. He's never made mention of it "coming around" either. I've never noticed where the zipped versions change much after an amount of use personally. The same can be said for my 462 also. Once zipped, the A.I. seems to struggle a bit to keep up with the increased "spin-up" factor. Your tree is a little over 215' tall. 5 long logs & a shorty if a guy could save it out. Nothing to sneeze about. Reminds me of a Sitka Spruce, Mark Neal and myself both whittled on, back in the early '80s. It was 100' to the first pin knot. Perfectly straight tree. It had the small sized knots and sparse limb pattern. Tucked back in a draw, mid-slope (1000' down) in a yarder block where I could see the top of it from the landing. I could also see the Pacific from the landing. I did get a chance to fell some old growth Reds back in the 80's when it was still being done regularly. If the ground was there and a guy hit the layout, you could realize 235 to 250. Seems like they chunked up around ¾ of the way to the top after that due to the maximum deflection the bole would get from the limb drag as they went down. Sometimes they would only make it to 200' before chunking. This is coming from the idea that we are trying to hit the shot at ~ 90° from standing.. Into an uphill shot they generally would save out further due to the lack of momentum the tops would experience. But, I digress... Redwoods are a unique creature is the gist. Thanks for watching.

[@bob_frazier]

@@longlowdog I hope to see them someday. Grand fir never get very big here, so that's awesome. Love my trees too.

[@longlowdog]

@@hotsaws101 thank you for your considered reply. Our forestry is so different to yours that every day is a learning day when you have been kind enough to put a video together. Regards and best wishes, Angus.

[@wlogue]

Sort of off topic here, but I have a question regarding I think all these late model Stihl saws. I am not a faller, but feed a wood stove in northern Washington. I bought a MS 362 in 2020, it does everything I need it to do with a 25" Stihl bar, but I don't feel that it oils the chain enough. the stock oiler is wide open and everything is clear. any advice would be much appreciated, i don't comment often but enjoy your stuff very much. Thanks Bud.

[@hotsaws101]

682 70 hi. Assuming the oiler doesn't have a problem here. No offense intended. Saw "dust" sucks up the oil worse than saw "chips" do. If your blowing dust and not chips, there is a good possibility that the dust is the culprit. I've run 28" bars on those a fair amount and never noticed as issue. I've even run a 32" bar on a few. Didn't notice a problem there either. Could be the bar oil & it's associated viscosity. The hp, silver bottle Stihl oil is more "thin" than the old version due to solvents that are supposed to break down sap better. That could be part of the equation. A 461 pump with the 1.1 piston control bolt combo might be an option if altering some of the previously mentioned items don't alleviate your issue. Best of luck. Thanks for watching.

[@tjlovesrachel]

@@hotsaws101 hey jack have you tried modifying the oil holes in the bar? And if so what have you found

[@2001yz250rider1]

Love your videos! Been watching for years. Random question, i did something stupid and stripped out the spark plug threads on my Redmax ebz8500 backpack blower. An OEM cylinder from Redmax is $55 so i want to just order a new one and pop it on. That being said, do you think it is okay to but a brand new cylinder on the existing piston and rings? It was a low hour homeowner used unit before i messed up the cylinder threads.

[@hotsaws101]

Nick hi. Depends upon the condition of the slug & rings. Same concept as "Hard to tell a guy how to fall a tree over the phone". But, at 55 for a cyl, hard to think you would be out much if you did that and it lived for another year or two. Personally, using the best mix oil "oncest" it is back together would be my suggestion. Thanks for watching.

[@2001yz250rider1]

hotsaws101 Thanks for the reply! I would imagine the piston and rings would be in good shape as it has only been used by me around the house since it was brand new a couple years ago, and i tend to be OCD with my equipment. Always ran ethanol free 91 octane and synthetic oil. Like you said though, $55 isnt much so i think i will order that and see what happens.

[@tjlovesrachel]

@@2001yz250rider1 you should send him the blower and let him do a zip on it lollll

[@daw162]

not necessarily high revving, but it holds in the cut strong.

[@robertshoemaker6204]

Your Frankenstein saw didn't impress me much seemed about the same...yes chain not good...but the stock 500 seemed find...I just know from experience that saws I have built or had built don't last like a stock saw...and when their your money maker and they cost a pretty penny...I want a saw to last....enjoy your videos Shoe.

[@fuddrucker74]

For an opening foray, I think it t is impressive. I believe Jack, said he made one test cut, and had several heat cycles in it. This is a "let's see what we have yet so far" , documentation. I don't think a lot of guys would post a video regarding a "thought process". You can't even really call it a proof of concept, because he has openly stated he is doping this out. And its not a finished project and certainly not a blueprint for future builds.. I imagine he expects it to get even better. I'm truly looking forward to the coming weeks and months, regarding the updates for the Frsnken500 build.

[@jakemesa3211]

What were your timing numbers? What was squish set too? What was rpm set too? What oil do you run? I just know from experience.... That a properly ported saw, that is properly tuned, and running good oil. Will last ever bit as long as a stock saw. And be a lot more pleasant to have in your hands 6 hours a day. Let me know what your numbers are and the oil your using, and I’ll tell you what you did wrong.

[@robertshoemaker6204]

@@jakemesa3211 Hi Jake well have been running Husqvarna and Stihls for 42 years after I started with Mac and Homelites...would have the saw shops port our saws and stick a velocity stack on them. The mild port job the barrel and piston would last 9 to 12 months like a stock saw...cutting a good 6 hour in my strip per day....A major hopped up saw...intake/exhaust and shaving the barrel and wallowing out the transfers....had much more power that's for sure but would get 6 to 9 months if lucky before you needed a rebuild. I got to where I would do the mild hop up on my own....Oil I buy Stihl or Husqvarna 5 gallon pail...last few years have mainly been using Stihl synthetic....yea fun to run a hopped up saw...I just like longevity these days....ran my first 500i last month....felt like a hopped up 461/62 but from the factory....I think Stihl did a pretty good job for a mid size saw...Shoe

[@jakemesa3211]

@@robertshoemaker6204 well I ain’t been in the woods near as long as you for sure. But my old man started falling timber in 71 and retired in 01. I grew up traveling around the PNW with him, packing gas and oil every chance I had. With that said I will agree that back then. Getting a year out of a hopped up saw was tough. But the timber was a lot bigger, bars where longer, and oils weren’t near what they are today. Stihl oil is only slightly better than husky oil imho. But I quit using manufacturer oil after I tore down one of my 372’s with just shy of a year on it. The crank case on it looked like an engine with a 100,000 miles on it without an oil change. And there was scoring on the piston from carbon build up. That prompted me to start doing a lot at research on oils. I ended up switching to motul 800 2t. I just took the top end off a saw that I built just shy of 3 years ago. Has close to two years of 6 hour days on it. It’s still clean as whistle in the bottom end. A small amount of carbon on the piston and in the exhaust port, but nothing to bad for the amount of time on it. I am a firm believer that manufactures make oils that will make a saw last just long enough to keep the customer happy. And if you run a hopped up saw that time is going to be greatly reduced. Any way that’s just been my experience with building and running saws. I grew up with Stihls, but I primarily run husky’s now. In my opinion, once Stihl abandoned the O series saws. They continually felt more and more like a toy. I have not got a chance to run a 500i yet. I did pick one up at a dealership awhile back, just long enough to flip it from side to side a few times. I don’t think I could get past how loose those saws feel to ever run one for long. Sure they are light and they sound good. But would rather have a saw that doesn’t feel like it could be ripped in half pretty easily. I don’t know why Stihls have such a hard time making a spring mount comparable to husky’s. I will say though Stihls are a very good running saw.

[@wednesdar452]

@@jakemesa3211 I think the PIA about this thing, and all the M-tronic saws for that matter, is that there is no way to tune the map with anywhere near the same precision as dialing jets in a carburetor. I'm not sure you can even manually change the idle speed.

[@DIESELMAN8V92]

What are your thoughts on the 500i ? :)

[@hotsaws101]

DIESELMAN8V92 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2Knh6KEramda68 talks about some of it. Thanks for watching.

[@dcvariousvids8082]

Great renaming there!

[@hotsaws101]

DC hi. Getting on the YT title - i - zation bandwagon,,, "World's First" LOL...

[@jethronb]

Hello have you tried using a bark box muffler for the 500i,it really wakes it up..Love your videos

[@hotsaws101]

jethro66 hi. It's a casing, not a muffler. NO. I flow the muffler instead. Thanks for watching.

[@MsMohaman]

Stock muffler & Opened?? 👍

[@richardf9137]

Unimpressive