DIY 3 Way Switch Lutron Caseta Wireless Dimmer Install with No Neutral Wire or Traveller Wire

DIY installation of the Lutron Caseta In Wall Wireless Smart Switch Dimmer. This video will explain how to install, setup and configure the switch in a single and 3-way switch installation. At the end of the video I will connect both the smart switch and the pico remote into the Wink Hub 2 using the Wink App. This Lutron smart switch is a great smart home addition, especially if you have an older home and don’t have access to the neutral wire. You can connect the wireless switch to your Amazon Echo Dot by connecting to either the Lutron Clear Connect Hub or the Wink Hub. The Samsung SmartThings hub does not natively connect to Clear Connect devices.
Lutron also makes a non-dimming smart switch, both can be installed in three way switch configurations. For information, this is not a z-wave switch.
It is possible to install this switch without a neutral or ground wire.
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[@deanrhodenizer938]

Thank you, I do find your videos useful and informative. I especially appreciated your insights into Z-Wave paring with Wink and resolving related problems. Now, to this specific video, I guess you realized this afterwards but… when you pair a Pico Remote to a Wink Hub that does not automatically associate it with any particular Lutron Caseta device(s) you may want to have it control. It is still necessary to configure Wink so that a particular Pico Remote is associated (i.e. controlling) with specific Lutron Caseta device(s). When Wink is used, it gets in the middle between the Pico Remote and Lutron Caseta device(s) it controls. This can be advantageous at times. I have three Lutron Caseta plug in dimmers that control table lamps, two in an open concept living area and one in the front porch. Each has its own Pico Remote sitting adjacent to the lamp that it controls. But, there is a fourth Pico Remote that I configured to control all three devices; this allows me to turn on/turn off/ set brightness for all three lamps simultaneously. I find this useful if we are retiring early and don’t want to wait for the scheduled turn off of these lamps. I also find it useful when I am up early (still dark) and want these lamps back on. And yes… I have a Wink robot that turns off these lamps unconditionally at sunrise. I also have an Amazon Echo which can be used to control these lights - I refer to them collectively as “Base Lighting”. However, I don’t use the Echo to turn on these lights early in the morning because my (loud) dialogue with Alexa would disturb others who are still sleeping.

[@ryanfitzpatrick1054]

Great way to explain the concepts. Thank you

[@BillCherne]

Thanks for the great tips, really helped me out in replacing my existing 3 way switches. I wish these Caseta switches were around 4 years ago, would have saved a few hundred dollars wiring the 3-way switch between my house and garage.

[@jasonbryant4657]

Very good video. I'm not sure how anyone can thumbs down this. Very good and thank you for making!

[@markdodge4284]

Great video. In December I added the Pico to the Wink in addition to the Caseta switch. When doing so, I will as able select the Pico individually (as a connected device) from the Wink app and pair it to the specific Caseta switch. I could see the Wink app allowing someone to pair the Pico to multiple Caseta switches as an "all lights" type of switch.

[@markdodge4284]

John Stone The response time has actually been quite good. I don't know if having my Wink in the same room as my wifi router has anything to do with the speed or not. In March I will be using a Caseta with two Pico remotes in a four way setting that not in a direct line with the wifi router. I suspect I might see a bit of a delay.

[@JKLionheart]

Thank you! Clarifying that the transfer wires were no longer needed (obvious now that I think about it) was what was messing with my install. The Caseta advanced manual still wanted me to make use of it (which I think could still work?).

[@brendonmorfe7073]

Any reason you wouldn't wire all the wires (not the ground) together behind the pico switch? It seems the Lutron video recommends all the wires (again, except the ground) under one wire cap.

[@clangordon]

You're a good teacher. Thank you!

[@DIYSmartHomeGuy1]

Thank you. I do try to make the videos informative, educational, and entertaining. Cheers

[@05awwrx]

Thanks for the video John. Really informative. I'm planning things out for my new home and if I understand it correctly, with the Wink 2 hub, I don't need the Lutron hub to act as a bridge? Would there be any benefit to having both?

[@ChrisCross2014]

Thanks alot.

[@user-qk5rh3hm6d]

Thank You.! For your help.!!! 😊

[@DIYSmartHomeGuy1]

Glad I could be there for you in your time of need!

[@vut9690]

Excellent video. What is the max distance between switch and remote? can I have switch in livingroom and remote in master bedroom 50 ft away?

[@JosephWheelerF4WealthAdvisors]

Thanks so much for the video. One question: does it matter which box gets the wired switch, and which box gets the Pico remote?

[@oscarsuarez9917]

Hi, thanks for the video, but which of all the options you have listed on the description i have to buy? i have several options on amazon and im a little confused because amazon has a 3-way Dimmer Switch Starter Kit thats different than the ones you have, please help. and thanks.

[@Saturn2888]

Have you tried pairing the Pico remote with the Wink Hub 2 without pairing or even installing a Caseta in-wall switch? I'd like to buy some of these and put them in for my smart bulbs and just cap the wires in the gang together.

[@nickgoesvestmode]

5:21 On that far rightside switch, did you cap the two black wires together after removing the switch?

[@Elc0chin0]

So it appears I have to terminate the second box since it controls the lights as well. Will just capping them off work?

[@kevinpope3944]

John, I have a smarthings hub. Which 3 way switch / dimmer can I use?

[@Elc0chin0]

I'm hooking up a occupancy detector (motion) in a room with the same two switch boxes you show in your 3 way switch. Then Occupancy Detector has three wires, a black, a red and a green. I know the black is the hot the green is the ground but have no clue what the red one is for. In the wall on one of the switches I have two black wires, one red and one ground which were all connected to the old switch. I've connected the OD, to the wall using the one black wire (connected to what I think was the hot wire) not sure because the switch I took out didn't have two different screws to identify the hot vs the not, to the black wire, the red wire to the other black wire and the ground. The OD blinks it's green light which tells me it's looking for motion but I can't seem to get the lights to respond. The other switch doesn't work either way. So I'm not sure if it needs to be switched up or down. Really confused....

[@tallswag4u]

What about a 4 way connection? I'm sure I have a white wire, but I have 3 switches.

[@SuperRA181]

I only have 2 black wires and a green copper wire. what is the difference between the Lutron PD-5WS-DV-WH On/Off Switch and the Lutron PD-6ANS-WH? can I use lutron caseta system for my lighting?

[@RaGingKane773]

Thanks for the video, I am currently trying to install the Lutron wireless dimmer but the wiring on my current dimmer switch doesn’t match what I see on any videos. I have 3 black wires, 2 going into the back of the box utilizing the push tabs and 1 wire secured with the bolt on the side. And then the ground wire. This is NOT a 3 way switch as there is no other way to turn the lights on and off. My initial attempt to install the wireless dimmer resulted in feedback coming through my receiver and my dimmer switch acting as the breaker for my entire theatre room. ( I tried the 3-way setup because it closest matched the videos I was seeing.) Any suggestions?

[@RaGingKane773]

DIY Smart Home Guy the switch controls 6 can lights. Thanks I’ll try to isolate the wires. One thing I did notice when I went to hook the old dimmer back up is that if the black wires that are utilizing the push tabs are swapped this dimmer will also act like a breaker for the theater room. Once I swapped them it worked properly again. So I assume I really need to understand what these wires are to properly connect the wireless dimmer. Again thanks for the input

[@joshbarney2347]

Is there any switches that work with SmartThings like the Lutron? I live in an older home and use SmartThings.. Thanks

[@ShockTraumaBoy]

I have the Lutron system set up in my home using their bridge. If I set up another system in my vacation condo, will my iPhone app become hopelessly confused?

[@gieselman]

Great video. :) Did you happen to notice if the wired smart switch itself can be removed from its attached pate (not the snap on plate?) I have boxes that have 2 or 3 switches and would need to use the 2 or 3 switch plate.

[@ThomR65]

Paul Gieselman I'm interested in this too.

[@gieselman]

You're the man. Thanks so much. Great videos.

[@brandonmarshall1297]

What if we wanted to put the "remote" in a multi gang box? Would that fit?

[@BPickii]

As always great video. Can you link more than 1 pico remote to with wall dimmer?

[@CharlesVincentJr]

B. Pick .. when you pair pico remote to the wink hub..( not pico to switch). then wink assigns pico to switch.. allowing you to have multiple pico control a switch..

[@BigRedDogATL]

I spoke with Lutron today because I have a 4-way switch in my house that I want to use the system for. They said for both of the remote switches to use a Pico remote and pair it the same way as shown in this video. Lutron also told me that 1 Pico remote can be paired with up to 2 dimmer switches. In that case, both dimmers would turn on/off and dim in unison when controlled by the Pico remote.

[@CharlesVincentJr]

I have paired more than two pico remotes to a single switch using wink. not sure why they would day only 2

[@alexdomovich5339]

Awesome video.... but.... what if you have a neutral wire... what do you do with it? Do you cap it off? if not, where od you connect it to the dimmer switch?

[@vicentegomez205]

just keep the nuetrals together in a wire nut. If its in the junction box in the form of a pig tail out of a wire nut, you can just twist it off and put the cap back.

[@kevinpope3944]

Will these work on a 4 way set up?

[@mariohill20]

Will those switches work with wink hub 2

[@kamilsutkowski9284]

Hey there, I’m having a lot of trouble getting my Lutron switch installed. The regular lutron on/off switch requires to have a neutral wire (which I don’t have) but the dimmer switch does not. Any advice or thoughts on why this is?

[@clarencethomasisthegoat]

You need the Lutron PD-5S-DV. No neutral required.

[@davidskaret]

Hello John, Can you use smart wall switches to control outlets? My condo has wall switches that controls outlets that I have my table lamps plugged into them and want to use smart switches to control them and also use the wink hub to control them. By the way the wall outlets are switched on the top and live on the bottom, if that makes a difference. Thanks

[@davidskaret]

John Stone Thanks John

[@johnathanhall6899]

Tell me of this is okay. I have a three way set up at my home for the kitchen. I left one of the light switches as is and wired up the 3 way smart switch on the other switch. I actual put the load and the traveler on one of the black wires. On the other black wire from the switch I put the line wire. I didn't want to use the remote. I haven't had any issues. Please tell me your thoughts, thanks.

[@loreall.2461]

I’m wondering about this too. I have a simple 3-way switch in a hallway and only use one switch, don’t want to replace with a remote. Can I simply install the dimmer and leave the second location as-is? I just want to use the Alexa voice control to turn my lights off and on as I enter rooms with 3-way switches. Sounds like you have a similar set-up in the kitchen.

[@orlandomateus2661]

I want to use a Lutron sensor/dimmer on the stairs of a 3 story tenement building. How can I do this? can you provide a diagram since Lutron doesn't make a 4way.

[@petermei1412]

Can you make the 3 way switch to an outlet?

[@dtesta]

I have a question related to the "2 wire loop". I don't understand how it can be possible to give constant power to the smart-switch and at the same time keep the light off? With no ground wire, it should not be possible. How are they handeling that?

[@Dumont67]

There is a small current flowing through the switch and the light, when the power is turned on there is effectively no voltage difference on the switch so the in-series mosfet is used as a "resistor" to get the voltage drop for the switch to use to power electronics

[@Elc0chin0]

Ok the switch is working however, the other switch is controlling the off and on. Is there a way to by pass this switch. I've capped off the red wire on the OD switch. But when I use the other switch it can still control the lights. Up is on and down is off.

[@jinx8402]

If my current switch does have a neutral wire, can I still use this switch? Would I just cap off the neutral wire? I haven't pulled any yet to see what I have.

[@jinx8402]

DIY Smart Home Thanks for the reply. Just doing research on how I want to set up my smart home and didn't want to buy something that wouldn't be suitable.

[@darrenlucas9017]

This was a great video, I have the 2 switch one bulb set up. However, I capped off the red wire, connected to 2 black wires in the new dimmer switch.The light comes on and off with the new switch. The other light switch does not work. I have no idea what to do next :(( any help would be appreciated???

[@DIYSmartHomeGuy1]

You need to associate the Pico remote with the main switch. This process varies by installation (Wink, Homekit, Lutron Smart Bridge, etc.). But that would be the next step to make the remote switch mirror the main switch.

[@darrenlucas9017]

@@DIYSmartHomeGuy1 Thanks so much I’ll try that

[@DIYSmartHomeGuy1]

My pleasure

[@ericilkwatson5557]

Can I install 3 way z-wave dimmer, but do not replace the second switch and use it only as on/off? Will it work? How to wire it?

[@dragngt]

DIY Smart Home Guy This is what I’m looking for. I want to kill off the 3-way function and just use 1 Lutron switch to control a set of lights. Capping the red wire on both ends will fix this while leaving the remaining wires in the existing switch? Or do I need to remove them from the existing switch and cap them off?

[@EisBlade]

I have a situation that I need help with. The goal is for the stair lights to turn on when occupancy is detected with the lights dimmed to a lower setting. Currently, I have a Lutron Occupancy Sensing Dimmer at the bottom of the stairs. Does anyone have suggestions regarding what to install at the top end that will also sense occupancy and turn the lights on dimmed?

[@MicahMartinDIY]

Check out Radio Ra Select. You have to get it from a distributor, and it costs a little more than the Caseta line, but it can no work with a smart hub and a standalone occupancy sensor. Or you can just pair your caseta dimmer with this occ sensor:www.amazon.com/Lutron-LRF2-OCR2B-P-WH-Wireless-Ceiling-Mounted-Occupancy/dp/B005LPET0G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1521634832&sr=8-1&keywords=lutron+lrf2-ocr2b

[@MicroOutdoors]

I have searched high and low and cannot find an answer... How many smart things can I have? With Alexa? And how does it affect my internet? Please help!!!

[@johninglis7217]

Can you use your wireless system in a 4 way switch set up?

[@johninglis7217]

DIY Smart Home Guy thanx for getting back to me so fast

[@TarekFaham]

I'm also using same lutron switch. I followed the instructions but I found only three connected wires in the existing switch. See photos here : photos.app.goo.gl/JpOdZsCrjZmHYK9c2 As per the photos, I connected the lutron switch to replace the "first switch" in the photos above. I also wired the lines in the "second switch" box as instructed. After wiring is done, I turned on the power and tested every thing before inserting the switch in the box, and all worked great. Then I turned the power off. After I inserted the switch in the box and covered it, when I turn on the circuit and try to turn on the light, there was small short in the box then I turn off power immediately. When I opened the box, I see black marks on the wire nuts of the two black wires only. I think the green wire touched the metal inside the box since it is uncovered from the switch side. Or maybe the new switch touched the metal sides of the box since I could fit the switch inside by pushing it very hard. Was the switch burnt out? I'm afraid to try again. Please tell me what to do.

[@TarekFaham]

DIY Smart Home Guy thank you so much! Could you tell me from the pictures I sent, what wire is what... Where is the ground and travel wires? Where is the hot and load? How I can verify.

[@darrylbyrd23]

What about 4 way hook ups

[@BigRedDogATL]

In your video I noticed that it took a couple of seconds for the lights to turn off after you pressed the off button on the Lutron dimmer as well as on the Pico remote. Is this delay common?

[@MACtheVILLAIN]

I don’t understand why you’d need a Pico remote on the other end for anything other than dimming from both locations. Otherwise why couldn’t you use a single pole switch and wire it the same exact way?

[@paulstanziale1485]

Not really any help. My lutron switch has 4 wires in the back. in addition to the green. the directions show to ignore the blue wire but i need to connect each of the standard 3 way wires. My question is what to do with the wires either at the fixture where the power comes in or at the other outlet where the pico gets installed.

[@oscarortiz365]

So, if a owner doesn't want to run romex for a 3 way switch to the j-box and use only the pico remote. That will be it enough then, no 3 way romex need it.

[@DIYSmartHomeGuy1]

In short, yes. You would need the Lutron Bridge and a Lutron Switch in the original position, then the 3-way (second switch) can simply be the pico remote.

[@ThomR65]

Is there a non-dimmer version of this switch?

[@CharlesVincentJr]

Thom Rowe..the non dimmer switch REQUIRES neutral wire

[@ThomR65]

Charles Vincent thanks for pointing that out

[@CharlesVincentJr]

Good find john. Looks like they have a non neutral version PD-5WS-DV to go with the neutral wire version PD-6ANS. I have not tried the non neutral switch but glad to know option exists. Apology if i mislead you thom

[@BigRedDogATL]

I talked with Lutron today and the PD-6ANS and PD-5WSDV switches WON'T work with the WINK hub. You will have to get the Lutron smart bridge and the separate Lutron app. I was looking for a plain on/off switch to control a ceiling fan or a regular flourescent shop light to pair with the WINK hub and Lutron doesn't offer one as of now. I will have to get another brand of switch.

[@CharlesVincentJr]

Clifford Martin .. very interesting. I find odd, they would not work with wink2. Wonder why?

[@ealxix8121]

you didn't even mention what the purpose of the white wire is...it seem you made this video to work with what you made. I have a white and black coming out of the wall with no neutral...I'd like to put s a smart wifi switch there...that's what I'm looking for.

[@photosbyjf]

I have same wiring but believe it was just simple situation of saving wife by using what was in the romex

[@alext36]

This video can be compressed to 2min. What a waste of time

[@DIYSmartHomeGuy1]

Thank you so much for watching! Have a great day.